The war in Karabakh becomes protracted: nothing has changed strategically in five days of the conflict

For five days at the front in Nagorno-Karabakh, practically nothing has changed strategically. The conflict takes on the character of a "war of attrition", which means that sooner or later the parties will have to sit down again at the negotiating table.

Apparently, Armenia and Azerbaijan will not be able to resolve the long-standing territorial dispute by military means again. Despite the superiority in population, the number of various weapons, as well as a more favorable economic position, Azerbaijan still underestimates the enemy.

Armenia is a "tough nut to crack" with a well-motivated population, the support of the multi-million Armenian diaspora from all over the world - from Russia to the United States. And to defeat the Armenian army in Nagorno-Karabakh is a very difficult task. Interestingly, Azerbaijan prefers not to talk about its military losses, although the Armenian side publishes lists of dead servicemen and civilians.

In addition, one should not forget: the Armenians will fight in the NKR not for life, but to the death, because they perfectly understand that in the event of the occupation of its territory by Azerbaijani troops, this will mean an inevitable exodus of Armenians from Karabakh with huge casualties among the civilian population. There is practically no Azerbaijani population in Karabakh, and this circumstance makes the motivation of the Armenian and Azerbaijani military unequal.

On October 1, the Presidents of the United States, Russia and France Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and Emmanuel Macron appealed to the authorities of Armenia and Azerbaijan with an appeal to immediately stop hostilities and sit down at the negotiating table. According to the leaders of the powers, the solution to the Karabakh problem can be found exclusively through diplomatic means.

These words run counter to the position of Ilham Aliyev, who argued that Armenia must immediately liberate the occupied territories, otherwise Azerbaijan will take them by force. As a result, the Azerbaijani president turned out to be a hostage of his own words: if the Azerbaijani armed forces fail to occupy at least a significant part of the NKR territory, then image losses are inevitable.

Fighting with the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh is not easy. After all, thirty years ago Azerbaijan was larger than Armenia in terms of population. However, they failed to defend the NKR. Now the situation seems to be repeating itself. Everything can change for the worse for Armenia and NKR only if Turkey openly intervenes in the conflict in Karabakh.

But while Ankara retains relative prudence: armed aggression against one of the CSTO members can lead to a very serious conflict in the region, with the participation of not only Armenia, NKR, Azerbaijan and Turkey, but also Russia, possibly some other CSTO members, as well as Iran. Recep Erdogan understands the sad prospects of Turkey in this case, so he refrains from open aggression against Armenia for now, although military-technical support is being provided to Azerbaijan and pro-Turkish mercenaries from Syria and Libya have already been deployed to the region.

The most likely outcome of the current events will be the further preservation of the previous status of the NKR and the continuation of negotiations between Armenia and Azerbaijan. At least, this is exactly what is expected in Moscow, Washington, Paris, Berlin. However, Recep Erdogan, with his inherent self-confidence, has already stated that the powers (USA, Russia and France) have lost the right to come up with peacekeeping initiatives.

It is sad that the price of the next surge in Turkey's ambitions is the human lives of both Armenian and Azerbaijani soldiers and civilians.

If we talk about Russian interests in Transcaucasia, then it is worth recalling: unlike Azerbaijan, Armenia is a member of the CSTO and a constant participant in all military maneuvers conducted by this organization. It is in Armenia that the Russian military base is located.

Strengthening the Azerbaijani positions in the Transcaucasus will definitely also strengthen Turkey's positions, which is not at all in Moscow's interests. Russia simply cannot allow Turkey's aggression against Armenia, otherwise it will be a grave geopolitical defeat for our country and a spit in the face of the current Russian government.

Comments

[serzh.kost]

Now Yksperdy will swoop in with screams THIS IS NOT TRUE! Azerbaijan has already captured the entire NK, Yerevan is already being stormed!

[Pessimist22]

Are you writing from the front?

[Hunter 2]

There, everyone has their own truth, since there is no obvious military advantage - they will let off steam and will soon sit down at the negotiating table! Not one side cannot withstand a long conflict.

[Temples]

What table?
What kind of negotiations?
This is bullshit.

They themselves can only agree on another massacre.
It must be admitted that they will not agree on anything on their own.

Peace there is possible only under the cap of Russia.

Otherwise, only temporary truce with the escalation of ethnic strife at the time of this truce.

[Hunter 2]

You will restrain your emotions, otherwise you will fall off the couch! What difference does it make with whose mediation they will agree and who will deal with the reconciliation? Direct parties to the conflict, Armenia and Azerbaijan, will be negotiating!
Yes, even a temporary truce, a bad Peace - Better than a good War!

[novel66]

Lesha , it's like Crimea - it's time for Azerbaijanis to accept this fact and not rock the boat, and somewhere the Turks must be besieged so as not to be naughty

[Hunter 2]

Greetings Roman! Here is just one difference, Crimea returned without blood, Excellent operation! And here - even the prisoners of the campaign are finished off, I saw frames of captured equipment, I did not see frames with prisoners!
About the Turk - I absolutely agree with You!

[novel66]

what kind of prisoners, there brutality reached the limit, already in Moscow they are being slaughtered, ours would not be quiet - everything would have ended long ago

[Hunter 2]

Perhaps you are right, only I think that it is not time to get out into this quarrel, let them let off steam! Harnessing for the Armenians - cutting off all ties with Azerbaijan (by the way, an excellent trading partner) is also not an option! Better to stay above the fray, at least for now!

[NDR-791]

... already in Moscow they are being cut ...
Oh how!?!? It seems that our deputy minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs met with representatives of the diasporas. It seems like he warned that no, no, and then ... Do not understand what means?

[novel66]

and the hell is it good? when someone's relative died, he will go himself, without the demand of a representative of the diaspora

[NDR-791]

Eh, then why nafig such representatives? You can't get overwhelmed by Kadyrov, instantly the whole family on the "carpet" pulls out in the pose of a company machine gun

[Incvizitor]

Let those who in Moscow try to expel there, let them fight.

[novel66]

said smart people, just from there

[Captain45]

Quote: Incvizitor

Let those who in Moscow try to expel there, let them fight.

It would be nice, for example, to send Mara Baghdasaryan to the trenches of Karabakh as a nurse. Let there be on the front end on the "Gelek" trotting, and other similar brains in the trenches to clear.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Hunter 2

And here - even the prisoners of the campaign are finished off, I saw frames of captured equipment, I did not see frames with prisoners!

There is no personnel, evidence of finishing off prisoners, so one cannot speak of this as a fact.
But there is a video with the destruction of the infantry running in panic after the failed attack on the NKR positions (VIDEO)

[Hunter 2]

Insurgent, there are prisoners in any military conflict! Believe me, either side. Even those with the highest motivation do not surrender - they can injure or concussion. In this conflict - Nobody! There are no shots of captured wounded Armenians or Azerbaijanis. Even from the videos you have shown, are you sure that everyone was mortally wounded?
Roman 66 wrote correctly - the degree of brutality and mutual hatred is off scale!

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Hunter 2

And here - even the prisoners of the campaign are finished off, I saw frames of captured equipment, I did not see frames with prisoners!

There is no personnel, evidence of finishing off prisoners, so one cannot speak of this as a fact.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Hunter 2

Insurgent, there are prisoners in any military conflict!

Who is to blame for the fact that the badly wounded terrorist mercenary from Syria "did not hold out" and died?
Isn't the Armenian side interested in presenting such a "specimen" of the prisoner to the "world community"?
It just didn't work out ... War, and anything can happen there.

For example, I know examples when, in 14th, when I was drunk, with a fool, some individuals themselves went to the Ukrop positions and ended up in captivity ...
And dill periodically wander to us.

But in NKAO, the war is obviously different, with a different intensity.

[Dmitry Donyakin]

I saw the top video with another comment. That the Armenian infantry fearlessly rushed to the enemy positions and heroically captured them. Where is the truth?

[CSKA]

Quote: Hunter 2

And here - even the prisoners of the campaign are finished off, I saw frames of captured equipment, I did not see frames with prisoners!

Today a friend threw it off. With captive Azerbaijanis. Only they are not alive a little. I wanted to throw you now, but the video has already been removed from YouTube. there they lie so heap along the hill. In unloading, body armor, but without weapons. And all the campaign with the rifle was killed.

[Insurgent]

Quote: CSKA

Today a friend threw it off. With captive Azerbaijanis. Only they are not alive a little. I wanted to throw you now, but the video has already been removed from YouTube. there they lie so heap along the hill. In unloading, body armor, but without weapons. And all the campaign with the rifle was killed.

Apparently we are talking about this? And the video, yes, deleted ...

[CSKA]

Yes. It is it. And nowhere are traces of the gaps visible. And everyone is very close. The impression is that they were taken prisoner and without hesitation they put everyone.

[Lopatov]

Quote: novel xnumx

it's like Crimea - it's time for Azerbaijanis to accept this fact and not rock the boat, and somewhere the Turks need to be besieged so as not to be naughty

Strictly speaking, Russia "did not rock the boat" for a long time. And "accepted the fact."
But in the end ....

[Butchcassidy]

Directly of the parties 3: Baku, Stepanakert and Yerevan. In this sequence. Failure to recognize the presence of a third party is just one of the reasons for the impossibility of resolving the conflict through negotiations.

[APASUS]

Quote: Temples

Peace there is possible only under the cap of Russia.

What kind of Russia are you talking about, WHY is it RUSSIA? What is the media attack on Russia now, you see, Armenia was not defended. And remember the words of Simonyan:

Look at yourself from the outside. See what you are doing. How you behave. What kind of Armenians are you? " - turned to compatriots Simonyan. She recalled that Armenia, despite the kindness and protection it received from Russia, did not recognize Crimea as Russian. Also, the Armenian authorities imprisoned Robert Kocharian, who has always been an ally of Russia. “They planted them on purpose, defiantly, spitting right in the face of their“ Russian friends, ”” Simonyan said.

Also, Yerevan flooded the republic with anti-Russian NGOs and became a springboard for anti-Russian forces in the North Caucasus. The Armenian authorities expelled Russian Armenian businessmen from the country and continue to water Russia with "slops". "You divided the unfortunate, already disappearing Armenian people into enemies - Russian Armenians - and" real "- those who support your momentary power," the editor-in-chief of RT believes. And he reminds that all this has always been based on the "internal affair" of Armenia.

“And now, when there is a war on your border, when the very existence of your regime is under threat, when the Armenians of the whole world are already seeing the revived ghosts of janissaries with crooked knives with which they cut our ancestors, you have remembered that Russia must save you again,” sums up Simonyan ...

[Hypertension]

Quote: APASUS

What is the media attack on Russia now, you see, Armenia was not defended.

Paradoxically, but Azerbaijan also needs (if the blitzkrieg fails) Russia to intervene. There will be an excuse that Karabakh was not captured - like it was Russia that helped the Armenians.

[210ox]

The best thing is to give both good bream. They forgot that when they sneeze in St. Petersburg, an epidemic begins in Europe.

[ammunition]

Quote: Hunter 2

Not one side cannot withstand a long conflict.

The Japanese only after 4 (four) months of the Great Patriotic War noticed - "the war is getting protracted" .. And then after 4 days already tired .. and the title of the article that "Protracted".
Something is wrong with us.

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: ammunition

The Japanese only after 4 (four) months of the Great Patriotic War noticed

The Japanese did not participate in the Great Patriotic War.

[hrych]

Quote: Pessimist22

Are you writing from the front?

The front went through the hearts and other less significant parts of the body
Now both modes are on the brink. Aliyev prepared so much and, as a result, nothing. He himself kindled the Azerbaijani society ... but how to extinguish. May ask Elchibey Pashinyan did NOT prepare for war so much and the Armenians withstood, of course, at the cost of losses. Another and unconditional victory of RUSSIA by aging. America is not up to them, there is its own Karabakh Macron was very, very concerned ... wrote in the messenger, saying that we are together with Hakob in Hakob and uncorked a bottle of Chardonnay True, Aliyev still found the laurels of an accomplice of terrorism. This is serious ... the kitty fell out of the mouth Both in Sochi and don't forget the knee pads

[Lopatov]

Quote: hrych

Aliyev prepared so much and, as a result, nothing.

You misjudge reality a little.
Aliyev's preparation clearly went for the future. And now, and in the summer, and in 16
This time.
He does not need to extinguish anything, the order of the society to "punish" is carried out. The only problem is resources. "Precision warfare" is expensive even for the United States.
Et two
Pashinyan is also successfully promoting his "you see, Russia and the CSTO are useless". The society was distracted from its jambs, no special territorial losses are planned due to the fact that he chose the right time, when Turkey cannot really support its ally.
At three

[hrych]

Your glass is half empty Azerbaijan inflicted losses and lost itself. Moreover, from a third to half of its potential. The numbers need to be clarified, the Armenians are not shooting from drones, but from positions, but since the attacking side cannot break through the front, it means that they leave equipment and bodies on the field. This is the law of war. The number of personnel from drones of Baku residents has decreased. Armenians learn to counteract by blood, so they will learn quickly. Only the CSTO stops Turkey, and everyone knows that. Therefore, the attempts of the Armenians to involve us in their fake actions. And military aid comes from Russia and only from Russia. Hot-tempered Azerbaijanis instantly turn from reports to pogroms. And try to stop. Also, the line of concealing losses is fraught. You need to bury heroes with fanfare, and not bury them silently or even throw them on the field. Whoever sees it on the front line wilts sharply. Because he understands that he will be lying around like that. The same Erdogan from the funeral puts on a show. And here ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: hrych

Azerbaijan inflicted losses and lost itself. Moreover, from a third to half of its potential.

I would not evaluate the losses of Azerbaijan by the victorious Armenian reports. They will soon begin to destroy the Azerbaijani Armed Forces for the second time.

Quote: hrych

The number of personnel from drones of Baku residents has decreased. Armenians learn to counteract by blood, so they will learn quickly.

They haven't learned anything since the age of 16. When exactly the same footage was observed.
Azerbaijanis, on the contrary, are doing work on mistakes. Reducing the cost of fire damage.

[hrych]

There is a military logic. The advancing departing leaves a lot on the field. Therefore, the victorious reports of the Armenians are closer to the truth. And I saw how the Bakuvians demine the field ... with their tanks But the Armenians publish losses, but the enemy does not. It evokes heroism and enthusiasm. And the suppression of losses leads to hopelessness. Now the AR army is kept on roller skates from drones. But some of the blows go to false plywood targets. Another would be for the Armenians to learn to scatter, and not to clump together when attacking. These are the properties of the mentality of both stray into a flock, and at the moment of truth turning into a flock.

[Lopatov]

Quote: hrych

Therefore, the victorious reports of the Armenians are closer to the truth.

With 137 tanks destroyed ???
Come on.

Quote: hrych

But the Armenians publish losses,

Very much underestimating. Where did they get caught when they were 16 ...

[hrych]

Now for 60 minutes, Khodorenok noted that Baku has accumulated a lot of imported weapons and critical dependence on the import of ammunition. This is a strategic mistake and now the shortage of ammunition will cover them. I bought ammunition in the Balkans, in Russia, Israel, etc. The Armenians have our weapons and have transit through Iran. Load \ I gives a corridor, but air. The blockade is not in Armenia, but vice versa

[Lopatov]

Quote: hrych

critical dependence on imports of ammunition. This is a strategic mistake and now the shortage of ammunition will cover them.

Are you sure Turkey will stop supplying them?

Quote: hrych

The Armenians have our weapons and have transit through Iran.

Are you sure that we will continue to donate weapons and ammunition to Armenia?

[hrych]

I'm sure. The Turks have no ammunition for the weapons of the Warsaw Pact countries. Armenia not to give, but to solve its geopolitical goals by transferring a decommissioned mountain of Soviet ammunition and samples that must be tested in battle.

[Lopatov]

Quote: hrych

The Turks have no ammunition for the weapons of the Warsaw Pact countries.

There is. And what is not, Azerbaijan can easily buy from the same Ukrainians or Kazakhs.

Quote: hrych

Armenia not to give, but to solve its geopolitical goals

The sooner Armenia wins, the sooner Russia will be kicked out of Armenia. And what are the "geopolitical goals" here?

Quote: hrych

by transferring a decommissioned mountain of Soviet ammunition and samples that need to be tested in battle.

And we have all this left? I don't think Syria swept up all the remnants. Up to M-30

[hrych]

You underestimate the reserves of the USSR We have everything in storage, but ammunition .... Russia will never be kicked out of Armenia right now. Pashinyan will not hold out unambiguously now, unless he will capture Ganja. The Kazakhs do not have anything superfluous, he buys it himself, but Ukraine ... what are you talking about, these never ... they sold everything long ago and even as an evil storage ... in Donbass, in mine workings

[Lopatov]

Quote: hrych

You underestimate the reserves of the USSR

My dad quit from GRAU structures. Therefore, I know everything perfectly.
Especially after the "disposal" under Medvedev-Serdyukov

Quote: hrych

Russia will never be kicked out of Armenia

Well, of course. And participation in NATO operations and exercises, the closure of the broadcasting of Russian channels and other things are so little things.

Quote: hrych

Kazakhs have no superfluous

They will buy and resell.

Quote: hrych

and Ukraine ... what are you talking about, these never ... they sold everything long ago

They will buy and resell.

[hrych]

Quote: Spade

My dad quit from GRAU structures.

Daddy Tribunal for Disclosure
We have all the production of ammunition, and since there is no war, then in reserve. But believe me, the PPSh is still in reserve and there are ammunition for them. Okay, let's not talk about the bins ...

Quote: Spade

They will buy and resell.

We must say, they say they will sell and resell. On dry land, the AR has only a border with the Russian Federation, Armenia, Iran and Georgia. Macron will command the latter. Theoretically, Turkmenistan can harness through the Caspian, but they have nothing superfluous. Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO and is terribly afraid of China. These will gobble up if something goes wrong

[Lopatov]

Quote: hrych

We have all the production of ammunition, and since there is no war, then in reserve.

But production is a completely different calico. From 9 thousand rubles for a 152-mm shot at 2005 prices. Not at all free

Quote: hrych

Macron will command last

Yeah, he will command.
And then Turkey will simply take Adjara. Best case scenario.

The Turks have invested so much in this country that Macron is not an authority for it.

Quote: hrych

Theoretically, Turkmenistan can harness through the Caspian, but they have nothing superfluous.

Buy.

Quote: hrych

Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO and is terribly afraid of China.

It won't stop him from buying and selling.

[Brturin]

Quote: hrych

Baku has a lot of imported weapons and a critical dependence on the import of ammunition.

The question is what reserves were created there, and they were already revising the budget in August due to the reduction in oil and gas prices, and the spending from the reserve State Oil Fund. Weapons are unlikely to become cheaper, but oil and gas prices are clearly not willing to grow ... it will be a little expensive to make up for the losses ...

[Captain45]

Quote: hrych

There is a military logic. The advancing departing leaves a lot on the field. Therefore, the victorious reports of the Armenians are closer to the truth. And I saw how the Bakuvians clear the field ... with their tanks. But the Armenians publish their losses, but the enemy does not. It evokes heroism and enthusiasm. And the suppression of losses leads to hopelessness.

I apologize for interfering, but the actions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces are reminiscent of the actions of the Red Army near Rzhev. Similar attacks on fortified points, regardless of losses, the main thing is to take at any cost, and then the political officers will inflate victory, and the "special officers" will control the joy.

[uhu189]

Yes, we even have no idea about the real losses of both Azerbaijan and Armenia ... Well, what Rzhev, what special people? Do you seriously think that an army of mercenaries is fighting with Armenia, who are being kicked into battle by officers? Armenia has less equipment, and it is still regularly knocked out by drones. They do not attack, they only defend themselves and still suffer heavy losses in technology. If you paid attention to Azerbaijan, at first there were videos with strikes on air defense, then on tanks, then on artillery, now they are beating on clusters of infantry ... What can this say? That there are no more worthy goals left? Hopefully not because of this. But how long will they last? Military transport workers from the Russian Federation cannot bring many tanks there

[Captain45]

Quote: uhu189

Armenia has less equipment, and it is still regularly knocked out by drones. They do not attack, they only defend themselves and still suffer heavy losses in technology.

You know, regarding the defeat of Armenian equipment, I now came across interesting information on one of the websites covering the conflict: it turns out that back in 2013, Armenia signed a contract with a Polish company specializing in the production of inflatable models of military equipment. Under the contract, a factory was built in Armenia and the production of such models began, so the author of the article expressed a restrained opinion about the large amount of destroyed equipment that maybe "everything is not so simple." And about the defense - the Red Army, too, first defended itself on the Kursk Bulge, then went on the offensive, and in the Armenian army there are enough officers who served in the SA and studied the tactics and strategy of the Second World War, and then I think the laurels of Marshal Baghramyan haunt some Khachikyan and he was tempted to arrange the Kursk Bulge. It is not the first year that Karabakh has been on the defensive, fortifications have been built, the advance lines have been shot at, the column has been stripped down as dashingly, and mostly with barrel artillery. So we'll see who has more reserves. Blitzkrieg did not come out, but in a trench war ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Captain45

Similar attacks on fortified points, regardless of losses, the main thing is to take at any cost, and then the political officers will inflate victory, and the "special officers" will control the joy.

I would not trust Armenian agitprop so much.

Azerbaijan's actions are more like ours in the second Chechen war. Slowly, with excessive fire damage. Only we used conventional shells, mines and bombs, and they are WTO

[APASUS]

Quote: hrych

Azerbaijan inflicted losses and lost itself. Moreover, from a third to half of its potential. The numbers need to be clarified, the Armenians are not shooting from drones, but from positions, but since the attacking side cannot break through the front, it means that they leave equipment and bodies on the field. This is the law of war. The number of personnel from drones of Baku residents has decreased. Armenians learn to counteract by blood, so they will learn quickly.

Since there are no critical changes in Karabakh, a war of attrition begins. But here Azerbaijan has more resources. And we all know very well that an economic defeat is sometimes worse than a military one.

[hrych]

The war is exhausting and will show. It seems that both regimes will fall. Not ready for patience, wrong temperament.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Pessimist22

Are you writing from the front?

Here, from the front, is a video from the Russian Journalist Semyon Pegov.

[the finish]

Semyon is a fine fellow! What day under the bullets brings information. He needs a medal at the end of hostilities.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Insurgent

Russian Journalist Semyon Pegova

I cannot be reproached for sympathizing with the Azerbaijani side's thirst for war, but here I have to note: when watching the video, do not forget to make allowances for the fact that this particular journalist is from the clip of Gabrelyanov Aram Ashotovich.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

when watching the video, do not forget to make a discount on the fact that this particular journalist is from the clip of Gabrelyanov Aram Ashotovich.

And when he works with us, in the Donbass, what do you need to make a discount on?

I repeat - Semyon, Russian Journalist (with capital letters) ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Insurgent

And when he works with us, in the Donbass, what do you need to make a discount on?

Tell me, is Aram Ashotovich a Ukrainian name and patronymic?

[Insurgent]

The war in Karabakh becomes protracted: nothing has changed strategically in five days of the conflict
A protracted war for Armenia and NKAO, not in their interests, with their limited resources and complex logistics ...

[alexmach]

A protracted war for Armenia and NKAO, not in their interests, with their limited resources and complex logistics ...

I mean, not in their interests? Do they have options? In my opinion, a protracted war is their only chance, and the only real alternative to this is a quick defeat of the NKR.

[Insurgent]

Quote: alexmach

I mean, not in their interests? Do they have options? In my opinion, a protracted war is their only chance, and the only real alternative to this is a quick defeat of the NKR.

I am writing about the possibilities of Armenia and the NKR, but oddly enough, you are writing about the aspirations of Azerbaijan

[Vol4ara]

Why change something strategically in the early days? They will knock out the equipment, then they will let the infantry

[Lopatov]

Quote: Vol4ara

then the infantry will be allowed

There will be no "infantry". Well, except to dispose of militants from Syria

Aliyev solves the problem of inflicting maximum losses with minimum own. First of all, human. Apparently, successfully.

[novel66]

and then the Iskander will work, there will be enough radius for a lot

[Lopatov]

Quote: novel xnumx

and then the Iskander will work, there will be enough radius for a lot

I'm afraid Armenia has problems here too.
The number of rockets is limited. And Russia will not give new ones. Moreover, with a high probability, without the permission of Russia, the Armenians will not be able to use them.
And Azerbaijan also has long-range means. For example, Israeli "Lors" and "Extras" or Belarusian "Polonaises"

[Vol4ara]

Quote: novel xnumx

and then the Iskander will work, there will be enough radius for a lot

And in response to this, apart from Karabakh, Armenia will be grabbed a couple more regions.

[Dr khorne]

You can at least go to https://lostarmour.info/offtopic/caucasus/, there the first post is a panorama with the dead soldiers of the Republic of Azerbaijan, and there were 32 people, there are clearly no minimum ones.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dr Khorne

32 person

How horrible ... With so many people, Yerevan could have been taken in a day ...

[Dr khorne]

If everything is so good with the Azerbaijanis, and there is no complete superiority and losses, then why didn't they take Yerevan?

T-90S Arerbaydzhan - lost, not everything is so one-sided, although the superiority of the UAV of Azerbaijan is obvious in the air.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dr Khorne

If everything is so good with the Azerbaijanis, and there is no complete superiority and losses, then why didn't they take Yerevan?

Will they be allowed to take it?
They didn't even give us. Tbilisi. Although nothing really bothered.

Quote: Dr Khorne

T-90S Arerbaydzhana - lost, not everything is so one-sided

There is one. There are 136 more to confirm

[ammunition]

Quote: Vol4ara

Why change something strategically in the early days? They will knock out the equipment, then they will let the infantry

Partly agree.
Companies like these cannot start without a well-designed plan. Like a "barbarossa".
Everything indicates that the Azerbaijani - Turkish military staked on the defeat of the Armenian air defense and the maximum knockout of equipment (MBT and Artillery), and only after that they planned a total offensive with the support of aviation. .. these are assumptions .. of course. Perhaps ... that didn't quite go according to plan. we will see....
And more .. Since a quarter of Iran's territory is Iranian Azerbaijan .. and a quarter of Iran's population is Azerbaijanis, Iran is categorically not profitable for the victory of Azerbaijan (That is, Turkey) .. let's see ..

[Deniska999]

Armenia stated that it is ready for negotiations. Blown away.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Deniska999

Armenia stated that it is ready for negotiations. Blown away.

What makes you think that the willingness to negotiate is a manifestation of weakness?

In our example (DPR and LPR), it is obvious that being ready for the negotiation process does not mean surrendering positions. Moreover, we are negotiating with the enemy in the "Minsk format", which in many respects does not suit us, but that's another story ...

[dzvero]

Armenia stated that it is ready for negotiations. Blown away.

No. Demonstrated agreement with Trump, Putin and Macron's call for an end to hostilities - a point in its favor in the political arena. The Azerbaijani leadership puts itself at a disadvantage with its silence. Moreover, after the Pentagon reported on the transfer of Syrian militants, he could get the stigma of an ISIS accomplice with all the consequences ...

[Vol4ara]

Quote: dzvero

Armenia stated that it is ready for negotiations. Blown away.

No. Demonstrated agreement with Trump, Putin and Macron's call for an end to hostilities - a point in its favor in the political arena. The Azerbaijani leadership puts itself at a disadvantage with its silence. Moreover, after the Pentagon reported on the transfer of Syrian militants, he could get the stigma of an ISIS accomplice with all the consequences ...

Syrian fighters are not = isis.
Most of the groups recognize the same US as fighters for the freedom of Syria

[Captain45]

Quote: Vol4ara

Syrian fighters are not = isis.
Most of the groups recognize the same US as fighters for the freedom of Syria

They are fighting for the freedom of Syria in Syria. And for the freedom of whom or what are they fighting on the territory of Karabakh? And who invited them there?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Captain45

Quote: Vol4ara

Syrian fighters are not = isis.
Most of the groups recognize the same US as fighters for the freedom of Syria

They are fighting for the freedom of Syria in Syria. And for the freedom of whom or what are they fighting on the territory of Karabakh? And who invited them there?

1 not for the freedom of someone or what
2 most likely Azerbaijan

[Insurgent]

Quote: dzvero

after the Pentagon reported about the transfer of Syrian militants, he can get the stigma of an ISIS accomplice with all the consequences ...

Until the execution of Russia's ultimatum to end the anti-terrorist operation, and the withdrawal of troops to the previously occupied positions, as an alternative to becoming a state-sponsor of terrorism, with all that it implies.

[gurzuf]

Did I miss something and it was the Armenians who attacked the Azerbaijanis?

[nobody75]

On the site "Russian Vesna" there is an article by Yksperdov .... I did not capture ...
https://rusvesna.su/news/1601629677

[Olgovich]

The war in Karabakh becomes protracted: nothing has changed strategically in five days of the conflict

And good.

Everyone at the NEGOTIATION table, enough victims!

[paul3390]

What should they talk about? Each side considers Karabakh its own, period. There can be no compromise here in principle - Armenians and Azerbaijanis will not get along together. No outside restraining force. IMHO - you have to wait for them to fight and not come to a final stalemate. Then a truce is possible. But not the world. Sooner or later, there will be a fight again. The only chance is for both countries to return to Russia. But why do we need it? We already have representatives of both peoples, your roofs ...

[g1washntwn]

Quote: paul3390

But why do we need it? We already have representatives of both peoples, your roofs ...

It will be easier for them to go to their mother (just kidding). And so, indeed, the unceremonious expansion of NATO is not at all a threat to us (sarcasm).

[Garris199]

And how can we reconcile them if, in theory, they become part of Russia? Will we drive troops there every year, like in 1990?

[oldav]

I don't understand our (Power and the media) neutral position. We need unequivocal support from Armenia. Azerbaijanis have never been and will never be our allies. These are the same Turks. Remember the Chechen companies, remember the pogroms, after all, they are not our allies in anything. And at the household level, living and working here, they hate our people and country. And do not care about Pashinyan and Soros. The people and our common history are important.

[seti]

Quote: oldav

I don't understand our (Power and the media) neutral position. We need unequivocal support from Armenia.

You have a great chance to personally volunteer for Nagorno-Karabakh if ​​you really don't want to go to Donbass. No need to pay to Russian Power. She does everything just right. The Russian soldier must fight for the interests of Russia and not for the interests of the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh. This is not even the case for Armenia. There are 3 million Armenians in Armenia. There are 6 million of them in the world. So they have enough people. Their diaspora also has a lot of money. So there is no need to hide behind the back of the Russian Ivan. We chose Soros Pashinyan, well, then let them turn to the US and the EU .. So let's ourselves .. by ourselves.

[oldav]

What does the soldier have to do with it? Have you seen the footage? In modern warfare, manpower is no longer particularly important. Well, thousands of volunteers will go there, and what: for cannon fodder? The RF has technologies that we could help them. And military assistance is not required. We are even afraid to apply economic measures.

[chingachguc]

Azerbaijan is a profitable trading partner. Why Apply Trade Measures? For Soros?

[Insurgent]

Quote: chingachguc

Azerbaijan is a profitable trading partner. Why Apply Trade Measures?

This "partner" pinned hundreds of terrorists from Syria to the borders of the Russian Federation ...

[seti]

And for what economic measures should be taken? Even Armenia of considers Nagorno-Karabakh (NK) to be the territory of Azeybadzhan. What questions ? Why - I ask why Should Russia help Armenia? On what basis? So from old memory? So no, the Armenians betrayed us by choosing Pashinyan, who is a completely pro-Western politician from Soros's nest. As did his entire team. CSTO, you say? So it does not apply to NK. I am not for Azerbaijan and not for Armenians - they are completely indifferent to me. They are brave and proud only in the markets .. Let them figure it out themselves and we'll see how they do it.

And you are pushing a Russian soldier into a war that has no beginning and no end in sight for the interests of others. Get it yourself.

[Andobor]

Quote: oldav

And do not care about Pashinyan and Soros. The people and our common history are important.
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I plyusanul, but only in this way, otherwise it does not reach. The people also rode.

[paul3390]

Then - we will have to do something with the millionth Azerbaijani diaspora in Russia. They will forgive the direct intervention and defeat of Azerbaijan. And they will start to shit with all their might .. Although - with all these diasporas it would be high time to figure it out ..

[oldav]

Why should we be guided by their opinion at all? Nobody called their surrender. If you want to continue selling tomatoes, sit quietly and peacefully.

[paul3390]

Not under this power. Judging by what is happening in our cities .. I strongly doubt that she is able to take the diaspora under strict control ..

[oldav]

Give at least one example of the Georgian riots in 2008? That's about the same thing. They will sit quietly and peacefully.

[gurzuf]

Diaspora is when he has the same passport as you.

[BIABIA]

Duc and the Armenian diaspora in Russia is not small, to put it mildly.

[Roman13579]

We need unequivocal support from Armenia. Azerbaijanis have never been and will never be our allies.

Or maybe it's time to support the Russians ..
And then we help the Ukrainians, the Syrians, the Belarusians, the Armenians ...

[zadorin1974]

Roman, who is talking about what, and crummy about the bathhouse. Do you want to essentially tell about helping the Armenians here or earn money again? You'd better have some tea.
Oleg wants to send him on a journey. Not Azerbaijanis, not Armenians, we are not friends and not relatives (we do not need enemies with such people). It's a pity that our leaders do not agree with the opinion of the majority of the population.

[Roman13579]

or earn 33 again?

And what, so it is possible ?? Would give a link already or something ..

You'd better have some tea.

Coffee on the table and so ..

Do you want to essentially tell about helping the Armenians here?

I do not want..
I just wrote that it's enough to already help everyone in the world .. it's time to think about yourself ..

Not Azerbaijanis, not Armenians, we are not friends and not relatives (we do not need enemies with such people). It's a pity that our leaders do not agree with the opinion of the majority of the population.

This is where it was worth starting ...

[oldav]

When the bases of "Turkomans" appear near the borders with the Russian Federation with all the consequences. And they will appear. That's when you need help. Take a look at the map and see which regions of the Russian Federation Azerbaijan borders on.

[Tamer]

Turkey's position in Azerbaijan has been strong since the 90s. Since then, Turkey's positions in Azerbaijan have been strengthening, and are by an order of magnitude superior to those of Russia. The interests of Azerbaijani "patriots" are not limited to Karabakh and adjacent regions, but also extend to southern Dagestan and northern Iran.

[chingachguc]

the Armenians have never been and will never be our allies. Soros to help them

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: oldav

Armenia needs unequivocal support

The point is that we are not sure that the Armenians are still our allies.
If our geopolitical opponents had not loomed behind the Azerbaijani troops, wishing to settle deeper near our borders, Armenia, sadly enough, would have remained completely without friends in this conflict. And that would not be our fault at all.

[nobody75]

You are absolutely right ... This is exactly the position that Prigozhin voiced in an interview with the "Aydynlyk" newspaper:

As long as the Turks do not cross the Armenian border, they have the legal right to intervene in the Karabakh conflict, Prigozhin said in an interview with Aydinlik newspaper. - Armenia and Azerbaijan found an opportunity to stop the clashes in Nagorno-Karabakh for many years, Russia put them at the negotiating table. After the Orange Revolution of 2018, that is, after Pashinyan came to power in Armenia, many American non-governmental organizations appeared in the country. This is the crux of the problem. Conflict provoked by Americans

Amers have a cooperative of the former NATO "top" commanders. For inexpensive plans for local wars they cook and sell ... Last time they vparili such a plan to Saakashvili, which led to the war of three eights

[moscowp]

Quote: oldav

I don't understand our (Power and the media) neutral position.

Do not understand? So figure it out first, and then make statements. There our allies are not observed from either side. You have the right to support your personal sympathies on your own, just don't call on others to fight for them.

[Livonetc]

"And to defeat the Armenian army in Nagorno-Karabakh is a very difficult task."
There is one serious point here.
In particular, not only Karabakh is being stormed, but also other territories seized earlier by Armenia.
In general, a wonderful situation.
Armenia has seized territories.
The UN and Russia, among other things, recognize the belonging of these territories to Azerbaijan.
At the same time, attempts to liberate these territories are strongly condemned.
Moreover, the rapprochement of Azerbaijan with Turkey is condemned, when no other choice was left to Azerbaijan.
And in what, in fact, has Azerbaijan been so guilty before everyone?
It can kick Armenia's ass with the whole world, tie Azerbaijan hand and foot and introduce a peacekeeping contingent.
Not fair?

[the finish]

So Armenia is not opposed to the return of these territories, the security belt, in exchange for a referendum on the independence of the former NPO and ties with the mainland, indicated in terms of time (although there was a referendum there 25 years ago, as recently in Crimea). Azerbaijan is against the status and for the immediate return of everything and everyone.

[Livonetc]

Azerbaijan, in 16 year, ceased hostilities under the promises of Armenia and the guarantors to return these territories.
However, Armenia not only did not liberate these territories, but also declared in the person of Pashinyan that Karabakh is definitely Armenia.
Doesn't the position and policy of Armenia seem to be similar to the policy of Israel regarding the Golan Heights?
They state the same.
We would like to give, but Syria is to blame.
The situation is very similar with Kosovo.
The Albanians simply wrested the territory from Serbia.

Why doesn't Armenia withdraw its troops from territories that are not part of Karabakh?
How to deal with the Azerbaijanis expelled from the territory of Karabakh.
They are not eligible to participate in the referendum?
There are a lot of questions.

[the finish]

And how to take and simply withdraw without solving other related issues? After that, we have nothing to talk at all.

[Livonetc]

It's not about the territory of Karabakh.
And about other territories seized by Armenia.
Why not just return them?
The first step towards real dialogue.
Then you can talk about the referendum.
After all, the referendum refers only to the status of Karabakh, not these territories.
At the moment, it is Armenia that acts as a pure occupier, both de jure and de facto.

[alexmach]

And about other territories seized by Armenia.
Why not just return them?

If only because part of these territories separates Karabakh from Armenia ... Well, the other part is a buffer zone, which is necessary in case of an armed confrontation.

But the situation there is really difficult, and especially given the belligerent sentiments from special sides, they will not sit down until they seriously pummel the bigwigs at the negotiating table.

[Bully]

While the Azerbaijan SSR and the Armenian SSR existed within the framework of the Union, the internal borders of the republics were conditional and the issue of compact residence of the Armenian population in those territories from which they are now trying to oust them did not cause tension. Plus, Big Brother put out such conflicts in the bud. After gaining sovereignty, the conditional internal borders turned into external ones, and Azerbaijan had a desire to formally clear its territory of Armenians. Then the Armenians who lived in these places from time immemorial were outraged, and began to defend their right to live with the help of weapons and achieved their goal.
Thus, the statement that the current actions of Azerbaijan are 100% legitimate is not entirely correct.

[Keyser soze]

The UN and Russia, among other things, recognize the belonging of these territories to Azerbaijan.

Many things are recognized or not by the UN, Russia and others. Crimea is not recognized by the UN and 90% of the world, but this does not bother you, because this territory is yours, plus your population. And who recognizes Donbass? Northern Cyprus will be recognized as occupied by Turkey, so what?

The question is different - you either let the Turks into your garden or not. There is no time for the Armenians and Pashinyans, etc. Basurmane swung at your influence and that's it. Nothing new - this was the case under the RI and the USSR.

[oldav]

Do you even understand what will happen if they capture the NKR? There will begin such ethnic cleansing that the Serbian land and Kosovo are resting. At the everyday level, I talked with Azeris, so they even scare their children with Armenians (instead of babayka). Nobody talks about it at all. Moreover, they have it in their blood. "Turkish brothers" will tell them how to do it, they have experience.

[moscowp]

There is a great experience of mutual massacre, and Azerbaijanis killed Armenians and vice versa. Everyone is good there

[Livonetc]

Quote: oldav

Do you even understand what will happen if they capture the NKR? There will begin such ethnic cleansing that the Serbian land and Kosovo are resting. At the everyday level, I talked with Azeris, so they even scare their children with Armenians (instead of babayka). Nobody talks about it at all. Moreover, they have it in their blood. "Turkish brothers" will tell them how to do it, they have experience.

You haven't read my post.
I announced the taming of both sides and the deployment of a peacekeeping contingent.
What do you think.
Should the criminals from the Armenian side who carried out ethnic cleansing in Karabakh be punished or are they the untouchable heroes of Armenia?
Enough to be wholly carried on propaganda by Armenia.
All sides have their skeletons in the closet.
However, raping only one side is absolutely unfair and counterproductive.
The conflict will not be settled.
Russia cannot accept in this conflict exclusively any of the parties.

[alexmach]

I announced the taming of both sides and the introduction of a peacekeeping contingent

Desirable American :)

[Andobor]

A spit in the direction of Russia occurred when the Armenians, having led to the Maidan technologies, chose Pashinyan - a chick from Soros's nest, no one will touch Armenia as a member of the CSTO, but they can lose part of Karabakh.

[siberalt]

Attempts to capture Martuni and Fuzuli ended in nothing. And what's next?

[Roman13579]

Armenians chose Pashinyan for Maidan technologies

Well, yes .. and the previous prez was just from God there ..))
Down with the elections, you give the eternal kingdom ..

[Grandfather]

Quote: Roman13579

Well, yes .. and the previous prez was just from God there ..))
Down with the elections, you give the eternal kingdom ..
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It seems to me that only Turkmens are happy with their sultan ... ready to lick their ass.

[Andobor]

Quote: Roman13579

and the previous prez just from God was there ..

and where are they from God? - only in fairy tales, but to choose maydanutyh sorosy, the same is not good.

[Roman13579]

It's up to the people to decide whom they want to choose .. as for me - Pashinyan is quite adequate, unlike any Poroshenko and Grybauskaite ..
In any case, it's better to choose than when the eternal king is stupid, a la Putin ..

[Andobor]

Quote: Roman13579

In any case, it's better to choose than when the eternal king is stupid, a la Putin ..

Yes, they chose - let them pay, and there is nothing to whine - Russia help.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: oldav

Armenia needs unequivocal support

Just don’t drag Russia into another foreign war.
You can only fight for your own interests, and Russia is interested in both Armenia and Azerbaijan. That is why the position is close to neutral.

[oldav]

And your interests are the tomato trade? Take a look at the map and see where the Turkish bases (NATO) will be if it is secured. Or do you think that the Turks will stop at Artsakh? There is such a territory as Nkhichevan and look what separates it from Azerbaijan.

[Roman13579]

see where the Turkish bases will be (nato)

Yes, and a joke with them ..
Azerbaijanis are scared with babayas .. and you are all sorts of NATO ..
Let me just live .. and don’t shake that somewhere someone’s base will appear ..

[oldav]

Teach history. Nobody has ever let anyone live just like that. Sorry Switzerland exception. And the fact that you are now living in peace is the merit of our ancestors, who gave their lives for this. With the Russian Federation, the type of behavior "my house is on the edge" will not work.

[Roman13579]

And the fact that you live in peace now

How calm it is when we only shake about each NATO base ..
We have only one merit - this is nuclear weapons from Stalin .. and it is thanks to him that no one will touch us .. If we ourselves again do not climb where we don't need to ..

[oldav]

Remember one thing. No one will ever come to terms with the fact that on the world map there is a huge State with huge resources, which has a small population and which can destroy any country and the planet as a whole with one blow. And since we live here, there will always be those who want to profit.

[Roman13579]

No one will ever come to terms

which can destroy any country and the planet as a whole with one blow

That is why let them both shake and stay awake at night ..
Not us ..

[alexmach]

Sorry Switzerland exception

Switzerland is no exception. It's just that at one time the Swiss highlanders broke so first the Germans and then the Italians that they decided that it was better to be friends with them and hire them for money than to conquer.

[siberalt]

France has already announced the invasion of Armenia by Erdogan's militants from the recognized terrorist banned
Russian organizations. Therefore, it is quite permissible to destroy them in the area of ​​concentration, for example, in Nakhichevan by the forces of Russia or the CSTO. There is a dry passage to Turkey. But very uncomfortable in relief.

[KAVBER]

I think the game here is more interesting than just a fight between Armenians and Azerbaijanis for a piece of land, under the guise of this mess, Turkey wants to completely crush Azerbaijan for itself, and Armenia's poses by Soros lead to a complete break with Russia and withdrawal from all treaties, including the CSTO , with the withdrawal of our base, and of course, right there looms the acceptance of Georgia in NATO. And what do we get as a result, all the Transcaucasia is either under the NATO countries, or in NATO itself .... But what to do to avoid such a scenario is the question.

[certero]

Quote: Livonetc

It can kick Armenia's ass with the whole world, tie Azerbaijan hand and foot and introduce a peacekeeping contingent.
Not fair?

In a normal world, that's exactly what they would do. They would pacify the countries under international control and keep a military contingent there for 100 years in order to prevent war.

[paul3390]

This still will not solve the main issue for them - whose is Karabakh ..

[certero]

Will decide. The Soviet Union was able to reconcile.
several generations will pass, people are accustomed to the fact that not enemies live nearby, but people like them

[paul3390]

Just a question - why do we need this? I'm not sure that we all want to live again in the same state with the Caucasian countries .. Or Central Asian .. For only the Soviet government could tightly control its population, in today's realities this will only lead to the fact that their entire population will move to live in our cities. I don't think any of us is dreaming about it ..

[oldav]

Comrade Dzhugashvili and Lenin handed over this territory to the Azerbaijanis, as well as Abakhazia, Donbass, South Ossetia and Prednistrovye. Hence all the conflicts.

[Roman13579]

several generations will pass, people are accustomed to the fact that not enemies live nearby, but people like them

With Ukraine it was ... moreover, we were not even enemies there ... in general, half the country was reborn ...
But as soon as it touched the territories, they immediately began ...

[Doccor18]

... the circumstance makes the motivation of the Armenian and Azerbaijani military unequal.

The motivation of the one who defends his home and captures someone else's ... is always different.
As for the "protracted" war ... 6 days is not a long one. Modern wars are fleeting, but you can't defeat an enemy in 2 hours.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: KAVBER

Turkey wants to completely crush Azerbaijan for itself, and Armenia's positions of Soros lead to a complete break with Russia

If we get into the war directly, so be it.
Our task is that there are no winners in this war.
Only relative neutrality and maintaining the status quo in the region will make it possible to avoid the described scenario.

[oldav]

What is the status quo? Turkey is already in Azerbaijan. And this is control over the entire south of the Russian Federation (look at the map, if not difficult). And we sit like amoeba and mumble "guys, let's live together."

[Roman13579]

Turkey is already in Azerbaijan. And this is control over the entire south of the Russian Federation (look at the map, if not difficult). And we sit like amoeba and mumble "guys, let's live together."

Crimea is already in Russia. And this is control over the entire Black Sea (look at the map if not difficult). And we sit like amoeba and mumble "guys, let's live together."
"somewhere in NATO headquarters" (c)

And who's to say that they are also wrong then ??)

[oldav]

Having taken Crimea, we do not encroach on their territory and do not influence there in any way. And the Turks having settled in Azerbaijan already influence several regions. vtch and IRAN.

[Roman13579]

Taking Crimea, we do not encroach on their territory

And this is control over the entire Black Sea (look at the map if not difficult)

[alexmach]

And this is control over the entire south of the Russian Federation

Well, what other control over the entire south of the Russian Federation from Azerbaijan then? Say it too.

[maktub]

In the morning, a video appeared on the TGC where drones took up the destruction of manpower

[donavi49]

Well, we would add a video. Quite painful arrivals at night. But this is quickly countered by dispersal. The Syrians learned not to gather in open areas by 3 by the second day.


Well, the entrenched equipment according to the Soviet textbook does not work against the UAV.


Well, the Harops are working out, the video is almost visualization of the infantry's memories from Drabkin's website - IRemember

[maktub]

As I understand it, Azerbaijan now has complete air superiority and they successfully "cut" communications even in the rear?

[nobody75]

No, it's just that the Armenians do not use air defense against the UAV, so that the Turkish AWACS aircraft could not reveal the location of the deployed air defense systems. They are waiting for larger birds ... Before the first attack, the Turkish RTR, of course, revealed the work of the radar and UAV on duty on them and on the models .... The Azerbaijanis early switched to striking artillery and buried tanks, as well as their dummies. And now the Armenian air defense is gradually landing their drones.

[Vadim237]

At this rate, the Armenians will soon run out of dummies and the real air defense systems are the same. And yes, on shock drones, there are IR cameras at night to recognize where the real complexes are and where the dummy is.

[Mavrikiy]

The war in Karabakh becomes protracted: nothing has changed strategically in five days of the conflict

Rave. Everything changes. The battle line has stabilized, but for whom is time working? On AzR, and Armenia is a loser. As a result, as it should be, the Armenians will aggregate for their 2-10 vectors and Maidan.

[nobody75]

Time always works only for itself .... And the Azerbaijanis paid for the war of attrition with a loss of pace ... So the losses incurred at the beginning of the operation were in vain. "A strategic investor is a failed speculator"

[Free wind]

and who is interested in the photo, I don't understand their faces. Let each other thresh as much as they want, I don't worry about this at all.

[nobody75]

In vain .... Smart people learn from other people's mistakes .... Each operation needs to be disassembled in detail ... including "in the face"

[Cartalon]

It would be in Russia's interests to contribute to the complete defeat of Azerbaijan, to plant a loyal junta in Baku, if the diaspora is against throwing this diaspora home, and then help the Kurds on a large scale and destroy the historical enemy, but of course we will not do anything like that, but we will wait for knives in the back ...

[aristok]

Quote: Cartalon

throw this diaspora home

This is where you start.
And it's even better to limit yourself to this

[Vadim237]

Russia will not do anything with Azerbaijan, since the trade turnover is decent for its own money, unlike the parasite of Armenia, which buys weapons for our loans and not only.

[Cartalon]

And if someone obedient is put in place instead of an obedient Aliyev, the trade turnover will be even better.

[Old Orc]

The whole point of this war is to be protracted. Russia does not have infinite resources. Having created 5 - 6 hotbeds of tension will lead to the impossibility of radical intervention in the issue of redivision of the world. We can expect in the near future aggravation in several more directions, including Ukraine, Tajikistan, Syria. At the same time, India, Afghanistan, Taiwan, and the Disputed Islands with Japan will take over China.

[Vadim237]

Russia will not interfere in any conflict and will spend the same resources.

[rocket757]

Who had any plans there .... guess now. But judging by the preparation of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, they DIDN'T PLAN anything global! Maximum, return past losses and that's it ...

[oldav]

You shouldn't be like that. Aliyev aims to connect with Nakhichevan. And this is his homeland.

[rocket757]

Sho guess. We will soon find out which of the experts was right.

[Schekn Irtch]

The article is about nothing. Informuk. A collection of already known quotes. Nothing new. Speculation based on "analysis" at the 10th grade level of the Soviet school. Author, you are certainly not ashamed, the words shame in your thesaurus have been replaced by the word grandmother.

[Old26]

Quote: oldav

And your interests are the tomato trade? Take a look at the map and see where the Turkish bases (NATO) will be if it is secured. Or do you think that the Turks will stop at Artsakh? There is such a territory as Nkhichevan and look what separates it from Azerbaijan.

Maybe it's enough to scare the Turkish bases? The Turks will not get into this slaughter at all, they do not need it. Do the American or NATO bases in Georgia bother you?
To drag Russia into this conflict is the greatest folly. Both Azerbaijan and Turkey understand that to seriously attack a country that is a member of the CSTO is to make trouble for themselves. But when it comes to the territories of several regions of Azerbaijan seized by Armenia (Karabakh) or the NKR itself, no CSTO will help. Officially, these are the territories of Azerbaijan and no one will accuse them of aggression if they try to return them.
And Nakhchivan. Already 30 years ago, it was proposed to resolve this conflict by exchanging territories. And the best thing is to implement the Kazan decisions, leaving the NKR problem "for later"

Quote: paul3390

This still will not solve the main issue for them - whose is Karabakh ..

Actually, this is the officially recognized territory of Azerbaijan. On the other hand, the solution to this problem is not simple. For such points on the map (unrecognized states) - dofiga and more. Here's what to do with them. It will not work that if these "we like" we will support their territorial and state interests. No - we will be against it. The problem is very complex and difficult to solve

[Otshelnik]

I admit that you are not familiar with the theater of operations ... Aghdarei garrison of Armenians is surrounded, Aghdere is a gateway to the mountainous part ... and most importantly, the Murovdag ridges have been liberated ...

[certero]

Quote: Roman13579

But as soon as it touched the territories, they immediately began ...

29 years of anti-Russian propaganda, that's the result. So no immediately

[certero]

Quote: Doccor18

Motivation from the one who defends his home and takes over someone else's.

The Armenians occupy 7 regions of Azerbaijan in general.

[Vadim237]

In two or three weeks, the Armenian troops will have nothing to occupy, since all the equipment will be destroyed by drones, but Azerbaijan produces a lot of them and supplies Israel and Turkey.

[Babermetis]

Let them let people show themselves in conflict. One of the parties will put the opponent on its paws, he will ask for mercy, apologize, and the survivors will live on!

If the choice in resolving this conflict were given to people, it would have been resolved long ago. But after all, politicians, aligarhs and security officials of the dog breed do not give - to live peacefully and share living space.

[Olezhek]

Yes, let them let people show themselves in conflict. One of the sides will put the opponent on its feet, i.e.

Yeah .. you don't know dear local traditions ...

[Babermetis]

Quote: Olezhek

Yes, let them let people show themselves in conflict. One of the sides will put the opponent on its feet, i.e.

Yeah .. you don't know dear local traditions ...

Dear, I do not lose hope in human humanity! The main thing is that people are encouraged to carry themselves humanly, with compassion for the gravity and grief of their neighbors. And incitement to revenge and raspa, and lawlessness - instantly punished.

[Livonetc]

Quote: alexmach

And about other territories seized by Armenia.
Why not just return them?

If only because part of these territories separates Karabakh from Armenia ... Well, the other part is a buffer zone, which is necessary in case of an armed confrontation.

The reasoning is clear.
But this is a dead-end option for negotiations.
You need to make any concessions.
And the beginning should be behind Armenia.

[Michael HORNET]

Yes, analytics ... "nothing has changed" it captured the heights of the Muromdag ridge and the tactical semi (half) encirclement of Mardakert
The Turks fiddled with the Kurds for more than 5 days. So everything is still ahead, and Armenia has no chances to rebound without losses, the whole question is only in their size

[Old26]

Quote: Otshelnik

I admit that you are not familiar with the theater of operations ... Aghdarei garrison of Armenians is surrounded, Aghdere is a gateway to the mountainous part ... and most importantly, the Murovdag ridges have been liberated ...

Not familiar, that's for sure. If they liberated part of their previously seized territory (regions of Azerbaijan), and they did it without promoting themselves - well, then some of the tasks have been completed for sure ...

[yriuv62]

The author clearly does not understand what he is writing about. Strategically, nothing has changed, the war has entered a protracted phase! Well, this is the main strategic change! We were planning a blitzkrieg. Military review, but strategy and tactics are not distinguished! So read you after that.

[Olezhek]

For five days at the front in Nagorno-Karabakh, practically nothing has changed strategically. The conflict takes on the character of a "war of attrition", which means that sooner or later the parties will have to sit down again at the negotiating table.

Not a fact.
The main weakness of Armenia's position is that it has virtually no "strategic rear"
There is no one behind her, but she can be easily overturned.

[Victorm]

Quote: hrych

Now for 60 minutes, Khodorenok noted that Baku has accumulated a lot of imported weapons and critical dependence on the import of ammunition. This is a strategic mistake and now the shortage of ammunition will cover them. I bought ammunition in the Balkans, in Russia, Israel, etc. The Armenians have our weapons and have transit through Iran. Load \ I gives a corridor, but air. The blockade is not in Armenia, but vice versa

Sometimes "silence is golden" ... people, though mistaken, can be mistaken for clever.
For Herspect and others - EVERYTHING is produced, from 9x19mm to 125mm of a tank shot.
Small arms up to 12,7mm, from a pistol to a single machine gun (PC), 12,7mm is about large-caliber sniper rifles.
Underbarrel GP-25, manual RPG-7 and automatic grenade launchers AGS-17/30, and again for those who do not understand the first time and shots to them.
Mortars 60 - 120mm, and mines to them.
Manufactured under license from Israeli UAVs Oribiter -1, -1K, -2, -2K (known as "Orlan" for Russians). Once again, for the Herspects, there are HUNDREDS of them in service.
Azerbaijan is INDEPENDENT from the supply of weapons, and even more so from Turkey, whose defense industry produces products of NATO standards and calibers.

The Azerbaijani Armed Forces are moving forward, there was no surprise factor, etc., the enemy himself provoked strikes. The nature of the terrain determines the nature of the action. The task is to liberate the territories, and not to please the sher-aspects who were broadcasting about the "blitzkrieg" and other nonsense. The troops are successfully coping with the task, significant territories have already been liberated.

It's only the first week of fighting. As an officer of two armies, both Russian and Azerbaijani, I will remind some aspects that, unlike the Russian army, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces have an equal adversary in front of them, superior in numbers, quality, heavy weapons of illegal armed groups, for example, Chechnya during the war, continue to continue? ...

The expression of the author in the article, they say, everything is unchanged - the enemy's potential is undermined by at least half, the enemy is in hysterics and is looking in any way to stop the hostilities. Since the enemy does not have a developed military-industrial complex and is dependent on supplies from outside, intensive actions after a relatively short period of time simply will not be able to carry out, and given that the reserves are used up or destroyed, and all supply routes are fired upon, the situation for the enemy is simply critical. ...

It doesn't matter to me, you can write biased pro-Armenian articles, we are all subjective to one degree or another, but when taking on this, you need to either have a little knowledge of the issue and have information, or study them, and have at least a little respect for yourself.

Is it that the articles are not edited by professionals and not reviewed? It seems to be like the media.

[Olezhek]

It's only the first week of fighting. As an officer of two armies, both Russian and Azerbaijani, let me remind you to some aspects, unlike the Russian army, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces have an equal enemy in front of them

I don’t want to offend, but Russia has had the richest fighting experience over the past 30 years.
The most different
so yes ...
And in general, I would not compare the army of Russia and Azerbaijan (qualitatively)

the enemy's potential is undermined by at least half, the enemy is in hysterics and is looking in any way to stop the hostilities. Since the enemy does not have a developed military-industrial complex and is dependent on supplies from outside, intensive actions after a relatively short period of time simply will not be able to carry out, and given that the reserves are used up or destroyed, and all supply routes are fired upon, the situation for the enemy is simply critical. ...

You know, I will say this: until the Armenian defense collapsed
There is no blitzkrieg in the mountains.
Let's see, of course, but the complete victory of Azerbaijan is very unlikely ...
Let's see how quickly the offensive fizzles out.

[Tank hard]

I love this title:

The war in Karabakh becomes protracted: behind five days the conflict in the strategic plan, nothing has changed

As many as 5 days, the war is already "protracted".

[Victorm]

Quote: Olezhek

It's only the first week of fighting. As an officer of two armies, both Russian and Azerbaijani, let me remind you to some aspects, unlike the Russian army, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces have an equal enemy in front of them

I don’t want to offend, but Russia has had the richest fighting experience over the past 30 years.
The most different
so yes ...

How can you offend me? Russian citizen. Russia did not have a systemic enemy. The army is a system, it is not an illegal armed group. And in the battles with illegal armed groups, not everything was as smooth as one would like to think.
In addition, one should never judge the army by commercials or the actions of special forces, especially since the latter lose most of their advantages in a combined arms battle.

Quote: Olezhek

And in general, I would not compare the army of Russia and Azerbaijan (qualitatively)

Why not? As in my opinion so in vain ...
Let me try.
So, at the moment X, on the one hand, we have Russia, rounded from 140 million. population, on the other hand Azerbaijan, rounded 8 million. population. The difference in population is 17,5 times, the difference in area is 197,4 times. Armed forces including border troops and stationary (internal) troops Russia - 1,34 million people, Azerbaijan 0,12 million. man. One serviceman for the number of citizens, Russia 1/105, Azerbaijan 1/67.
At the time of X - the high level of oil prices, the difference in per capita income from oil exports was 2,7 times in favor of Russia, while Russia still has many income items from the export of raw materials from ore to timber, and weapons that Azerbaijan does not have ...
Plus, Azerbaijan has almost 1 million. refugees, that is, 1/8 of the population, if applied to Russia, it would amount to 17,5 million. man - think about it ...
What we have in Russia we see everything, and now what we have in Azerbaijan:
- production of UAVs, started earlier by Russia, some of the types Russia is not in service and does not produce until now;
- production of ammunition, explosives and powder, and related products - created from scratch;
- production of small arms - created from scratch;
- production of mortars, grenade launchers - created from scratch;
- production of light armored vehicles - created from scratch;
- production of communications equipment - created from scratch;
- production of sights and observation equipment - created from scratch;
- production of equipment and uniforms - created from scratch;
- a shipyard for the construction and assembly of boats and corvettes - created from scratch;
- repair of armored vehicles - created from scratch;
- repair and assembly of the Su-25 - created on the basis of an aircraft repair plant;
- military academy, school of border troops, faculties - from scratch;
etc.
- in the end, a constellation of dual-purpose communication and surveillance satellites - from scratch.

Many drew attention to the fact that Azerbaijan made a stake, for example, on a UAV and made it before Russia, and having fewer resources and capabilities, are the Azerbaijani officers responsible for planning and construction so narrow-minded? As a result, the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan have more modern types of them, if relatively more than Russia, and until recently had and generally more than the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, some types in the Russian army still do not ...
You can compare relatively (I mean the number) qualitative superiority in many weapons. Judge for yourself, Russia has supplied Azerbaijan with 100 T-90S units. With the number of all tanks about 400 units, the most modern ones make up 25%, what is our indicator? Remember the modernized T-72, do not forget that the T-72 was modernized in the Azerbaijani Armed Forces much earlier, and taking into account our lag in the development of modern sights, rangefinders and the fact that Azerbaijan has modernized the forces of Israeli specialists, and Israel produces more modern devices and sights, then ...
Another example. Taking advantage of the discord between Russia and Georgia after 08.08.08. purchased from Georgia not only kits for the final assembly from Russia, purchasing engines for the Su-25 from Russia, and also purchased all the documentation and equipment. Azerbaijan assembles the Su-25 at once in the "Scorpion" version, which, to put it mildly, is not inferior to the Su-25SM of various stages. When I saw the Garmin household navigator in the cockpit of the latter as standard equipment of a modern and modernized aircraft ...

So compare - feed the refugees, improve the country, create a modern army, create a modern military-industrial complex practically from scratch.
Others should not be underestimated, and even more so, one should not be condescending and biased. The train left a long time ago, the USSR collapsed 30 years ago, a lot has changed, it was the Soviet Union, the Ukraine, Belarus, and others who did not have it. The Armed Forces of Azerbaijan have long grown, formed and strengthened, acquired their own traditions. If the top officers are not the weakest cadres of the Soviet Army, no worse than ours, but the younger generation of officers, this is a separate topic of conversation.

I was at the jubilee of my unit, 25 years old, before that I also visited, I didn't like something, now I envy the young officers of my unit for good. Before that I served in the RF Armed Forces, so life has developed, so I saw both armies at different stages and now I have the opportunity to see from the inside, compare, see strengths and weaknesses. You may not take my word for it, but the RF Armed Forces do not have a significant qualitative superiority over the Azerbaijan Armed Forces, relative or proportionally.

About the Armed Forces of Armenia, this is an army of the Soviet model and not its best times, but this is an army, not a rabble of bearded men. To understand the other, it is often worth putting yourself in his place, so put the Russian army in the same conditions as the Azerbaijani one. The Russian army is advancing and is conducting a general military battle, what would happen there in 4-5 days?

Quote: Olezhek

You know, I will say this: until the Armenian defense collapsed
There is no blitzkrieg in the mountains.
Let's see, of course, but the complete victory of Azerbaijan is very unlikely ...
Let's see how quickly the offensive fizzles out.

War, planning of actions are determined not only by the conditions of the relief, the quality and quantity of weapons and personnel. A war in the mountains against a systemic enemy and illegal armed groups is not the same thing. The army is a system, the system has advantages, but also disadvantages, in the mountains, for example, the army is more constrained than illegal armed groups, for example, not having the flexibility and mobility of the latter. For what kind of war Azerbaijan was preparing and how events will develop in the future, it is not difficult to make assumptions, knowing the composition of its Armed Forces, the types and number of acquired weapons and systems, the established production facilities for the production of ammunition and weapons.
Everything that the Azerbaijani Armed Forces are doing now, they are doing the right thing, you just need to think for yourself, not to accept other people's thoughts without considering and criticizing them.
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And by the way, many systems in service with the Azerbaijani Armed Forces are more modern than systems not only of their counterparts in Russia, but also in Turkey.

The offensive has not fizzled out, continues and will not stop.

[Garris199]

Well, believe me, the RF Armed Forces are already “slightly” different, and the weapons and technologies that the RF have in Azerbaijan will never appear from “zero” or from any other figure. How today the Russian Federation opposes the so-called illegal armed groups can be seen in the example of Syria (there are so many beards that it is better not to count), and it is worth noting that not all of the arsenal and means are used there. So your comparison of the two armies, to put it mildly, is not correct.

[Scorpio05]

Armed aggression against one of the CSTO members ... on the territory of Azerbaijan. I have a purely medical, clinical interest as a psychological anomaly. Let me be curious, what is the CSTO doing on the territory of Azerbaijan, what would Azerbaijan not be doing, except for an attack on the territory of a CSTO member country? Are you out of your mind Polonsky? In general, Azerbaijan is liberating its territory, and is not fighting on the territory of Armenia. That is, the CSTO will defend Armenia on the territory of ... Azerbaijan, in your opinion? And what if it occurs to Armenia to "liberate" allegedly "their" lands in Turkey or Iran, then it turns out that these countries cannot defend themselves with the help of their allies? The CSTO will upset. For information, Armenia is located on the territory of Azerbaijan, right in the middle of the country, in the Fizuli region (before the occupation, populated exclusively by Azerbaijanis), is this kind of normal, in the order of things ?. This is where the battles are going now. And to drive them out of there, even if suddenly with someone else's help (theoretically), then this is already casus belli. Did you get drunk with Armenian brandy there? That is, Azerbaijan has no right to fight back, even theoretically, with someone else's help? But what about Article 51 of the UN Charter on the exercise of the right to self-defense, individual or COLLECTIVE attention? Or are international laws more criminal concepts for you? As I want, I understand.
It turns out that Syria had no right to call on Russia and a whole bunch of countries and organizations such as the IRGC, Hezbollah, Fatimiyun, etc., to fight off an attack from outside? But what about the thesis that foreign armed forces fighting in favor of the Syrian government are and are fighting legally at the official invitation of the legitimate government of Syria?

[Scorpio05]

Armed aggression against one of the CSTO members ... on the territory of Azerbaijan. I have a purely medical, clinical interest as a psychological anomaly. Let me be curious, what is the CSTO doing on the territory of Azerbaijan, what would Azerbaijan not be doing, except for an attack on the territory of a CSTO member country? Are you out of your mind Polonsky? In general, Azerbaijan is liberating its territory, and is not fighting on the territory of Armenia. That is, the CSTO will defend Armenia on the territory of ... Azerbaijan, in your opinion? And what if Armenia gets the idea of ​​"liberating" their allegedly "lands in Turkey or Iran, then it turns out that these countries cannot defend themselves with the help of their allies? The CSTO will upset. For information, Armenia is located on the territory of Azerbaijan, right in the middle of the country, in the Fizuli region (before the occupation, populated exclusively by Azerbaijanis), is this kind of normal, in the order of things? This is where the battles are going now. And to drive the Armenian invaders out of there, even if suddenly with someone else's help (theoretically), is already casus belli. Did you get drunk with Armenian brandy there? That is, Azerbaijan has no right to fight back, even theoretically, with someone else's help? But what about Article 51 of the UN Charter on the exercise of the right to self-defense, individual or COLLECTIVE attention? Or are international laws more criminal concepts for you? Like, as I want, I understand.
It turns out that Syria had no right to call on Russia and a whole bunch of countries and organizations such as the IRGC, Hezbollah, Fatimiyun and fight off attacks from outside? But what about the thesis that foreign armed forces fighting in favor of the Syrian government are and are fighting legally at the official invitation of the legitimate government of Syria?

[Victorm]

Quote: Garris199

Well, believe me, the RF Armed Forces are already “slightly” different, and the weapons and technologies that the RF have in Azerbaijan will never appear from “zero” or from any other figure. How today the Russian Federation opposes the so-called illegal armed groups can be seen in the example of Syria (there are so many beards that it is better not to count), and it is worth noting that not all of the arsenal and means are used there. So your comparison of the two armies, to put it mildly, is not correct.

The RF Armed Forces are not the Lord God to believe without seeing, I see every day, you can say from the window.
Azerbaijan simply does not need many systems that the Russian Federation has, it is necessary to proceed from the probable threats and their assessment. In the north is Russia, a nuclear country with a population of more than 140 million and an army of one million; in the south, Iran, with an 80 million population, a missile program and nuclear ambitions; in the west, Turkey, a NATO country, with the second largest army of this bloc.
Any enemy should not be underestimated, but the war with Armenia is not something on which to build strategic plans for a long-term period.
For example, now Azerbaijan is at war, but keeps forces in the south and especially in the north, how and how can Azerbaijan, if not stop Russia, then detain or, under the threat of large losses, not go into a direct armed clash like with Georgia? Again, to understand the other, put yourself in his place, see what and how he has already done, what plans you know and understand what to expect, well, returning to our topic, what weapons systems and how much they are needed. War is also an economy, opportunities and the smartest one who with the least cost ensures the greatest damage to the enemy and the solution of the set costs.

For example, how much does an attack drone cost? And how much does the tank, infantry fighting vehicle, armored personnel carrier, air defense system, etc., destroyed by him cost? In the end, how much is an enemy squad or platoon destroyed in a dugout? ...

Azerbaijan in the same Karabakh faced a number of tasks and I believe that the leadership of Azerbaijan and the army found the correct and most effective solutions in their situation from all points of view.