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"Expands the zone of influence": the reasons for Turkey's intervention in the conflict in Karabakh are named

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"Expands the zone of influence": the reasons for Turkey's intervention in the conflict in Karabakh are named

Turkey, intervening in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, pursues only one goal - to become an important figure in the international arena, expanding its military influence. Taking advantage of its geographical position, Ankara opened several fronts at once in different directions. This is the conclusion made by journalist Amal Abdel Aziz al-Ghazani in an article for the Saudi Arabian edition Asharq al-Awsat.


Turkey intends to expand its influence to neighboring countries, the author writes. Using its geographical position, Ankara opened several fronts at once - in the east, west and south, but everywhere it failed. Turkey intervened in the Libyan conflict, wanting to get to oil, but was unable to enter Sirte, the main "oil" city. In Cyprus, the Turks began drilling for gas production, but were driven out by the Americans, the threats to Greece in Europe were taken seriously, so the European Union and the UN stood up for the Greeks. Having entered Syria under the pretext of fighting the Kurds, the Turks were never able to defeat them and could not embroil them with the United States.

Against this background, the author came to the opinion that Ankara's goal is to expand its influence, including military, in all of the above regions by building military bases on their territories, and also to get some concessions from the countries into whose zone of influence it invades. Thus, the Turks began a confrontation with the Europeans (Mediterranean), Arabs (Libya and Syria) and now with the Russians (Caucasus) in their traditional zones of influence.

Interfering in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh on the side of Azerbaijan, Turkey cannot but understand that it is invading the zone of Russian influence and is entering into confrontation with Armenia, which is being supported by Russia in military terms. Moscow dominates this region, so the Turks will not go far.

According to the author, Moscow will not make hasty decisions, but will wait to what line Erdogan intends to reach in his desire to intervene in the military conflict in Karabakh. In turn, Erdogan will also not force events, waiting for the Russian reaction.

(...) this issue will be the subject of negotiations, and the situation will normalize, and the Turkish advance will be suspended, as in the rest of the regions

- summarizes the publication.
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  1. Temples
    Temples 2 October 2020 08: 34
    15
    Azerbaijan will end if Russia leaves the Caucasus.
    Both Armenia and Georgia.

    Turkey or Iran will be there.

    "Our" republics could exist only under the Russian cap.
    These proud horsemen will either cut each other or their neighbors will help them.

    No wonder they themselves asked to go to Russia.

    And hundreds of years of existence in Russia suggests that this is a working model of the existence of these peoples.
    1. private person
      private person 2 October 2020 08: 40
      +6
      Azerbaijan will end if Russia leaves

      Why so at once? Nothing will end, but there will be a region within Turkey. And Turkey will have its own gas and oil. But with Armenia it is more difficult, the religion is not the same as that of the Turks, but apart from extra mouths, by and large there is nothing to take.
      1. hrych
        hrych 2 October 2020 09: 18
        +8
        Iran has views on Azerbaijan. These are his former lands, the population is Shiite. Naturally Iran will not allow Turkey there and it is stronger than Turkey in all respects. Moreover, the Turks need to pass through Armenia, but Iran will not allow this and the Turks will get bogged down in the mountains. This is hypothetically, without Russia. But there is still the West and its six - Georgia, and Pashinyan is actually Western-driven. Therefore, three forces will clash wassat But of course Russia will not leave. And since the anti-Turkish position of nuclear Russia, the nuclear West and slightly nuclear Iran is consolidated, then Turkey is in danger. The article also forgot to mention that Erdogan broke up with the Saud because of Qatar, which means the rest of the sheikhs. Also worth mentioning is Erdogan's love for Israel. And in Libya he broke up with an equal Egypt. I climbed to Iraq. In short, only Bulgarians were left along the perimeter, Kirkorov take them wassat
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 2 October 2020 09: 52
          +2
          Clarification, Khrych .. Kirkorov is an Armenian, although he was born in Bulgaria .. laughing
        2. private person
          private person 2 October 2020 10: 27
          -1
          Iran has views on Azerbaijan.

          Or maybe this is the whole mystery of such a multi-move? Iran will openly clash with the Turks, and Turkey is a member of NATO and the Americans will certainly rush to "help" well, not so much to help as to end the hated Iran. What is not a reason?
          1. hrych
            hrych 2 October 2020 10: 30
            +3
            Iran ... later, will share it with us. Not now. They know it and we know it. But we will divide it like this. This is for us, and for you ... shish wassat
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 2 October 2020 12: 17
            0
            Well, NATO is obliged to come to the rescue if its member is attacked - if he attacks someone himself - they have no obligation to sign .. (Article 5 of the NATO Charter "collective self-defense")
        3. Hypertension
          Hypertension 2 October 2020 11: 59
          +1
          Quote: hrych
          Naturally Iran will not allow Turkey there and it is stronger than Turkey in all respects.

          In what sense is "stronger in all respects"? On the Globalfirepower website, Turkey is in 11th place, and Iran is 14. Turks have more aviation, more tanks, more self-propelled artifacts. The other is somewhere less, somewhere in equal numbers, but in all respects ...
          1. hrych
            hrych 2 October 2020 12: 56
            +5
            So you think wrong wassat Iran has a nuclear enrichment infrastructure and has its own production of medium-range missiles. In general, the entire line of missile technology is made from ballistic missiles, air defense, anti-ship missiles, etc. The Turks have nothing in sight. Iran has experience of a terrible war with Iraq. And the mountains are the theater of military operations. There are no Turkish tanks. Iran is not dependent on imports of hydrocarbons, and the Iranian soldier has many Aryan roots. With all that it implies. And do not give the example of the Turkic-speaking Iran, they are only Turkic-speaking. According to the Shiite religion and genetics, the carriers of haplogroup R are dominant, at 40%. These are the local Turkic Aryan and Erbin tribes. And the Persians are absolutely dearer to them than the Turks. Iran's economy is self-sufficient due to the sanctions, especially the military-industrial complex. Russian weapons are now arriving. The Turks are absolutely dependent on hydrocarbons, the military-industrial complex is completely dependent on the military-industrial complex of the West, the economy is designed for external markets. There is no nuclear technology at all. We started to build a nuclear power plant, but apparently we won't have time until the end of Turkey wassat Why is the Karabakh army holding back the rating AR? Quality of fighters, defensive tactics and geography. The mountains, however, are natural superfortifications. Number. Iran has 650 thousand. Turkey has 350 thousand. Almost doubled. Armored vehicles are comparable, the Turks have a slight advantage and the number of fighter-bombers is the same for both. But Iran has echeloned air defense. The Turks do not have one, they are only trying to create with our help. But BRs allow delivering powerful strikes across the entire territory of Turkey, which does not have such an opportunity, only by aviation that does not have an advantage in the Iranian sky.
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 2 October 2020 13: 03
              +3
              Hmm ... Thanks for the detailed and detailed answer. This is how Iran is really cooler.
        4. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 2 October 2020 12: 01
          +2
          Israel now probably also understands that by selling UAVs to Azerbaijan they are helping Turkish expansion, although they are selling to Bandera fascists.
          1. hrych
            hrych 2 October 2020 13: 49
            +1
            They help Turkey to commit suicide laughing
        5. venik
          venik 2 October 2020 20: 29
          +2
          Quote: hrych
          Iran has views on Azerbaijan. These are his former lands, the population is Shiite.

          ========
          No no! Here you are not quite right! it incredible paradox: There are only 2 countries in the Islamic world where the overwhelming majority of the population is Shiite Muslims: the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Republic of Azerbaijan. In all, without exception, other Muslim countries, the majority of the population is Sunni Muslims. There are generally 3 times more of them than Shiites! It would seem that in this situation they should "gravitate" towards each other .... But no! From the very moment of the collapse of the Soviet Union, relations between Iran and the Republic of Armenia were, let's say, more than "wary"! Moreover, he showed great alertness it is Iran! What is the problem? And in the following:
          - Iran - Islamic republic, and Azerbaijan - secular state;
          - Ethically, Azerbaijanis are much closer to the Turks than to the Persians (by the way - Turkey, although a secular state, prevails there Sunnis!);
          - The Tkrki have long been "eyeing" the territory of the Republic of Armenia (this was especially evident under the "Sultan"), and this, whatever one may say, is a regional competitor of Iran.
          - The majority of Azerbaijanis (from 15 to 30 million !!!) do not live in Armenia, but in "Iranian Azerbaijan" (North of Iran), i.e. from 19% to 38% of the total population of Iran live there !!! In doing so, they demonstrate a very clear desire to reunite with their northern relatives (RA). And it's not a joke! in 1949, it almost came to this! And the Persians remember this very well!
          In this situation, dreaming of joining another 10 million ethnic Azerbaijanis is just SUICIDE for Iran!
          This is the reason why Iran and the secular state of Armenia (where there are practically no Muslims!) Have developed much warmer and more trusting ones than with "fraternal" Azerbaijan! drinks
          1. hrych
            hrych 2 October 2020 20: 50
            +1
            Today I wrote in the next branch laughing
            Armenians are genetic erbines. 40% of the population carry haplogroup R1b. An interesting genetic picture of the so-called Azerbaijanis of Iran. They are 40% carriers of haplogroup R. But they are approximately equally divided into erbines and Aryans. And they are not Türks at all, but Türkic-speaking. Approximately 20% are apparently descendants of the Erbinian Armenians, and 20% are descendants of the same Aryan Persians. It would be interesting to understand the mutations for a more accurate picture, but it is also unambiguous that the Azerbaijanis of Azerbaijan and the so-called Azerbaijanis of Iran are not one people and are not even very relatives. And they are related to each other ... the Erbino haplogroup, in fact, the Armenian wassat
            That's such a disposition.
            1. venik
              venik 2 October 2020 23: 15
              +2
              Quote: hrych
              Today I wrote in the next thread laughing
              Armenians are genetic erbines. 40% of the population carry haplogroup R1b. An interesting genetic picture of the so-called Azerbaijanis of Iran. They are 40% carriers of haplogroup R. But they are approximately equally divided into erbines and Aryans.

              ======
              Yes, I read and looked at the distribution maps by haplogroups in the Caspian region. Honestly - in ethnogenetics - not strong! Many questions arise. Here is one of them: I had friends, both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. We served together with one Azerbaijani (Alik from Baku) and were friends. He died before my eyes. Cool good the guy was! Once we were talking about nationalities. I admitted that although Russian, but only 3/4 - the rest: the Belarusian-Polish-Jewish-Bashkir mixture. Alik burst out laughing: "Only 4? I am from an old Azerbaijani family, which has been known almost since the 16th century (there were also military leaders and philosophers, poets and doctors) - so I hardly have even 50% of purely Azerbaijani - and "impurities" - so only what I know - more than a dozen! And in general, if someone tells you that he is 100% Azerbaijani - spit in his face! We don't have such ... Well, maybe somewhere in remote mountain villages there will be some that are 90-95 percent Azerbaijanis ... "
              What can you say here? As for me, so modern (from the 16th-17th centuries) peoples are formed rather on the basis of "linguistic and cultural" characteristics. Although I may not be right! You can and "throw slippers" .... HOW to define "who is who"? In addition, genetics is a thing ("dark" for me) - there are "dominant" and "recessive" signs ... request
              In short - MADDOM! recourse
        6. Roman1970_1
          Roman1970_1 3 October 2020 21: 04
          +1
          In what way is Iran stronger than Turkey?
          With your aircraft of the 70s of the last century?
          1. hrych
            hrych 3 October 2020 21: 13
            +1
            Aviation combined with echeloned air defense, which the Turks do not have. And of course, ballistic missiles and the army are more than doubled in mountainous terrain, where the importance of a simple infantryman arises. Medium-range ballistic missiles, shooting through the whole of Turkey, will simply allow the destruction of airfields, ports, factories, logistic infrastructure, etc. with impunity. Well, the presence of 5 to ten nuclear charges (according to Israel) for these same missiles.
    2. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 2 October 2020 08: 42
      +8
      Well, Russia is not going to leave the Caucasus anywhere! Part of the Caucasus is actually Russia!
      And don't forget about Iran, which is also not very welcoming to the Neo Ottoman aspirations of Turkey (Erdogan).
    3. Thrall
      Thrall 2 October 2020 08: 42
      +1
      It's just that the Sultan has such a style of foreign policy. It is difficult to understand it immediately. Remember his deal with Europe on migrants, linked to EU membership and a multi-billion euro "bribe" for Turkey. Everyone believed that Erdogan was too aggressive and was acting incorrectly. But he was ultimately right.
      He acts only as much as his opponents allow him, protecting only his own interests.
    4. Malyuta
      Malyuta 2 October 2020 08: 42
      +4
      Quote: Temples
      "Our" republics could exist only under the Russian cap.
      These proud horsemen will either cut each other or their neighbors will help them.

      Our republics could exist only under Soviet rule.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 2 October 2020 08: 56
        +2
        Quote: Malyuta

        Our republics could exist only under Soviet rule.

        They lived in the Russian Empire relatively peacefully! And the acute phase of the conflict began in 1918.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 2 October 2020 09: 14
          +5
          Quote: Hunter 2
          They lived in the Russian Empire relatively peacefully! And the acute phase of the conflict began in 1918.

          And what year did the Armenian Genocide happen? I repeat once again, only the Soviet government was able to smooth out all interethnic conflicts.
          Incitement of ethnic hatred is one of the main instruments of capitalism.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 2 October 2020 09: 18
            +3
            Quote: Malyuta

            And what year did the Armenian Genocide happen? I repeat once again, only the Soviet government was able to smooth out all interethnic conflicts.
            Incitement of ethnic hatred is one of the main instruments of capitalism.

            Everything is mixed up in the Oblonskys' house what Armenian Genocide - in which country (Empire) was it? And what has the Azerbaijanis to do with when the Turks genocide the Armenians? Do not bother, I will tell you - in the Ottoman! What does the Russian Empire have to do with it? By the way, the Armenians survived thanks to the fact that they fled to the territory of Ingushetia.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 2 October 2020 09: 38
              +3
              Quote: Hunter 2
              Do not bother, I will tell you - in the Ottoman! What does the Russian Empire have to do with it?

              Well, yes, why is it working here, of course, that everything is confused with you, you are talking about the consequences of the Russian-Turkish war and the pressure on the Armenians of the late 18th century, and I'm talking about WWI!
              It is this period that the Armenians consider genocide.
              "In early December 1914, the Turks launched an offensive on the Caucasian Front, but in January 1915, having suffered a crushing defeat in the battle of Sarykamish, they were forced to retreat. The victory of the Russian army was largely helped by the actions of Armenian volunteers from among the Armenians living in the Russian Empire, which led to the spread of opinion about the betrayal of the Armenians in general. The retreating Turkish troops unleashed all their anger from defeat on the Christian population of the front-line regions, cutting out Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks on their way. At the same time, arrests of prominent Armenians and attacks on Armenian villages continued throughout the country. "

              Source: https://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/205450/
              © Caucasian Knot

              That's what RI has to do with it, note for you. hi
          2. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 2 October 2020 10: 10
            +3
            Kind Malyut. No need to mislead the people. Armenians living in Turkey were killed and starved to death. Armenians, subjects of the Russian Empire were not affected by the word at all. So the Bolsheviks themselves allowed the outbreak of national conflicts after the revolution, and then forced to quiet down nationalists at the beginning of the 20s. But again they punished, leaving a mine by creating a republic on a national principle, which was not in the Russian Empire-province and everyone is free.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 2 October 2020 19: 42
              +5
              Quote: zadorin1974
              Kind Malyut. Don't mislead the people. Armenians living in Turkey were killed and starved to death

              Greetings! hi Of course they stabbed, but they didn't kill much wink
              But about the shoals of the Bolsheviks in the national question, colleague, I’m even too lazy to talk, otherwise I’ll have to remember the national conflicts before 1917 and how the Transcaucasian Republic was formed and where it was going to join and about 26 Baku commissars and much more.
              The Bolsheviks collected the country from what they could collect, and without them the empire would have collapsed to hell and there was no need to weave about the provincial way of life, it was already impossible to restore it by the year 22, and there would not be enough power to fill all the new formations with blood !!!
    5. Insurgent
      Insurgent 2 October 2020 08: 57
      +4
      Turkey, intervening in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, pursues only one goal - to become an important figure in the international arena, expanding its military influence. Taking advantage of its geographical position, Ankara opened several fronts at once in different directions. This is the conclusion reached by journalist Amal Abdel Aziz al-Ghazani in an article for the Saudi Arabian newspaper Asharq al-Awsat.



      The journalist is so perspicacious yes yes yes

      The cowboys caught three Indians: the chief of the tribe, a simple Indian and an Indian called the Eagle Eye, locked them in a barn and set up guards.
      The day passes, the second passes, on the third day they look - the Indians fled. The cowboys chase, caught them and ask how they managed to escape.
      And the leader answers them: "One day we sit, another day we sit, and on the third day Eagle Eye noticed that the barn does not have one wall."
    6. Roman13579
      Roman13579 2 October 2020 09: 16
      -9
      Azerbaijan will end if Russia leaves the Caucasus.

      Turkey will be there


      And who will get sick from this ??

      Or only Belarus to the Russian Federation to attach a good cause ??)
    7. Doccor18
      Doccor18 2 October 2020 09: 17
      -2
      Azerbaijan will end if Russia leaves the Caucasus.
      Both Armenia and Georgia ...

      Up to 40% of the Iranian population are Azerbaijanis. Several million live in Turkey ... Azerbaijan may not be, but nothing special for the 10 million population will change. They will smoothly merge into this or that state. But for Armenia and Georgia, everything is very sad. The Turks and Iranians will not offer anything good to these Christians. And if anything, millions of Armenians and Georgians will run to Mother Russia, and then they will organize a simplified procedure for obtaining citizenship. And we will improve the demographic issue again, at least for a while ...
    8. opuonmed
      opuonmed 2 October 2020 10: 02
      -1
      Quote: Temples
      Azerbaijan will end if Russia leaves the Caucasus.
      Both Armenia and Georgia.

      Turkey or Iran will be there.

      "Our" republics could exist only under the Russian cap.
      These proud horsemen will either cut each other or their neighbors will help them.

      No wonder they themselves asked to go to Russia.

      And hundreds of years of existence in Russia suggests that this is a working model of the existence of these peoples.

      I hope he will not leave but defend his interests otherwise it threatens war in the Caucasus which all the EU and the USA and the Turks are striving for
  2. Dizel200
    Dizel200 2 October 2020 08: 35
    +2
    All the same, this is a superficial look at the situation.
  3. Egoza
    Egoza 2 October 2020 08: 37
    +3
    "Reasons are given"! How good it sounds! Yes, he brazenly interferes in the internal conflicts of countries. And here it is not necessary to look for reasons, but to hit the nasty little hands hard.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 2 October 2020 08: 51
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      "Reasons are given"! How good it sounds! Yes, he brazenly interferes in the internal conflicts of countries. And here it is not necessary to look for reasons, but to hit the nasty little hands hard.

      I am very sorry, colleague, but the situation is similar to our war in Syria. Only the differences are that the Russian Federation and Syria are territorially distant, while Turkey and Azerbaijan?
      Now the second point. Remember the operation "Russian World" or "Russian Spring", which died out due to weak Faberge inspirers.
      Now the question is, how does Erdogan's operation to support a people close in ethnicity, conditionally call it the "Turkish world" or "Turkish autumn", differs from the operations of the Russian Federation?
      About LDNR, I generally keep quiet modestly.
      1. Roman13579
        Roman13579 2 October 2020 09: 18
        -9
        and Turkey with Azerbaijan?
        fraternal peoples ..
        In general, it is strange that they will not unite until now ..
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 2 October 2020 09: 18
        +4
        Quote: Malyuta
        but the situation is similar to our war in Syria.

        Well, as far as I know, the governments of Syria turned to the Russian Federation with a request to help, and again against obvious terrorists. No? Those. we have two factors that give the right to be there. Who turned to Erdogan for help and where are the terrorists?
        1. Roman13579
          Roman13579 2 October 2020 09: 25
          -9
          of the Syrian government appealed to the Russian Federation

          How long does it take for Aliyev to draw an appeal to Erdogan ?? We understand that this is a formality .. and the Turks are really invited there !!

          and again against obvious terrorists. No?

          The territory of Azerbaijan, and there are armed Armenians on it .. No ??)
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 2 October 2020 09: 30
            -1
            Quote: Roman13579
            The territory of Azerbaijan, and there are armed Armenians on it .. No ??)

            ARMENIANS AND AZERBAIJANIS LIVED TOGETHER IN Nagorno-Karabakh for a long time !!!! And only those who are "eager" to grab a piece of it, are spreading the fire of war there, playing on the old "grievances"
            1. miru mir
              miru mir 2 October 2020 09: 43
              +3
              so why did the Armenians expel their Azerbaijanis from Karabakh? would live peacefully
            2. Roman13579
              Roman13579 2 October 2020 10: 10
              -4
              playing on old "grudges"

              You can play anything ... especially in politics ..
              Formally, NK is Azerbaijan .. and the Armenian troops .. Something like this .. Not much different from our troopers with ykpa ..
              I answered both of your contradictions above ..
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 2 October 2020 10: 34
            0
            Quote: Roman13579
            How long does it take for Aliyev to draw an appeal to Erdogan ??

            It will not take long to draw, it will take a long time to disentangle it.
            The ideal option for Aliyev is moderate neutrality towards all interested regions - Iran, Turkey and Russia, which gives Baku the opportunity to cut its economic coupons from everyone at the same time and at the same time pursue foreign and domestic policies in its own interests. Quite a decent status.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 2 October 2020 08: 38
    +8
    I read this article in Inosmi ... the author still gently walked over Erdogan.
    The little Turkish Fuhrer imagines himself the ruler of all Turkic peoples ... it will all end badly if you let him grow to the level of Hitler.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 2 October 2020 08: 47
      +2
      There is nothing new under the sun. Turkish sultans have always been like that. The historical role of Russia in recent centuries is to return them from heaven to earth smile
    2. Roman13579
      Roman13579 2 October 2020 09: 19
      -8
      Little Turkish Fuhrer

      And when we got into Ukraine 6 years ago .. what size was the Fuhrer there ??)
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 2 October 2020 10: 36
        +2
        Novel13579 (Novel)
        Today, 09:19 And when we got into Ukraine 6 years ago ...
        And "we", sorry, who ?. Pi.C. And preferably in more detail: where did we cross the unnecessary border, and did the database run on its territory?
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 2 October 2020 10: 48
        +3
        Quote: Roman13579
        Little Turkish Fuhrer

        And when we got into Ukraine 6 years ago .. what size was the Fuhrer there ??)

        Sorry, but it was not we who got in, but Ukraine got out. We signed her "free" back in 1991. However, in 2014, she again managed to gain "independence" from herself, having gained complete dependence on external players, finally losing her sovereignty, which she retained until she, albeit formally, was wiping out in the dressing room of Russia.
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 2 October 2020 12: 07
        0
        We have always been on this territory, but what kind of ... ukroführer climbed the Russian population to genocide, you need to ask them ...
  5. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 2 October 2020 08: 38
    +8
    Ankara opened several fronts at once in different directions. Thus, the Turks began to confront the Europeans (Mediterranean), Arabs (Libya and Syria) and now with the Russians (Caucasus) in their traditional zones of influence.

    Wouldn't overstrain .. The mare was competing with the wolf - only the tail and the mane remained.
  6. Dimy4
    Dimy4 2 October 2020 08: 39
    +2
    Wait and Express Concerns ...
  7. Mouse
    Mouse 2 October 2020 08: 41
    +3
    laurels of the Ottoman Empire haunt ...
  8. Livonetc
    Livonetc 2 October 2020 08: 46
    +2
    "Moscow will not make hasty decisions, but will wait to what line Erdogan intends to reach in his desire to intervene in the military conflict in Karabakh. In turn, Erdogan will also not force events, waiting for the Russian reaction."

    "Do you respect me?
    Yes.
    And I respect you!
    So you and I are both dear people! "
  9. imobile2008
    imobile2008 2 October 2020 08: 51
    -3
    Quote: Malyuta
    Quote: Temples
    "Our" republics could exist only under the Russian cap.
    These proud horsemen will either cut each other or their neighbors will help them.

    Our republics could exist only under Soviet rule.

    Yes, during the Soviet era, they cut each other quite well. It's good that we are now separate, so they would have cut us too.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 2 October 2020 08: 51
    +1
    Previously, there on both sides said "One people, two states"! ... now, on at least one side, they say "One people, one state !!!" and this does not mean Azerbaijan!
    That's the whole "Sultan" philosophy!
  11. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 2 October 2020 08: 56
    +3
    The interests of the "sultan" are not limited to the South Caucasus alone; Turkey's interests extend from Azerbaijan to the Republic of Tatarstan. When we approach the Turks on some issues, we must always remember that a wide embrace is convenient for crucifixion. Assad was family friends with Erdogan, and now the north of Syria is occupied by Turkish troops with proxy opposition, which openly kill Syrian soldiers and constantly attack the Russian Khmeimim airbase.
  12. Fon elia
    Fon elia 2 October 2020 08: 58
    -2
    So far, Vova is dumping the Caucasus. Or is it another game of chess. Let them fight a little, resources will run out. And then Russia will come as a "big brother" and will settle the situation.
    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 2 October 2020 09: 22
      -7
      Let them fight a little, resources will run out. And then Russia will come


      Well, yes .. Russians have full pockets of resources .. we don’t know where to spend the money that was taken away from pennies ..))
  13. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 2 October 2020 09: 06
    0
    Now we will see what the "government" engaged by the West is worth. We also have a dilemma, Armenia must not be allowed to defeat, but I think we will not be harnessed for Karabakh either.
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 October 2020 09: 51
    +2
    Ankara opened several fronts at once in different directions
    This is Erdogan's problem, which he does not yet take into account even with Turkey's internal problems. While inciting Aliyev to strike at Karabakh, Erdogan counted on a blitzkrieg, which has clearly failed today. If everything worked out as planned, the slogan "Two countries - one people" would quickly transform into another - "One country - two people."
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 2 October 2020 18: 42
      -2
      This is Erdogan's problem, which he does not yet take into account even with Turkey's internal problems. While inciting Aliyev to strike at Karabakh, Erdogan counted on a blitzkrieg, which has clearly failed today.


      In general, blitzkrieg is done quickly, but not in a few days. Something like this. Give Aliyev time.
      So far, he's doing well.
  15. iouris
    iouris 2 October 2020 11: 11
    -2
    General reasoning, but the plan is not disclosed (reasons are not named).
    It is important to understand: Erdogan staged a dangerous adventure for Turkey, not coordinated with his senior partners, and took advantage of the right moment and Aliyev's problems to inflict a geopolitical defeat on the Russian Federation, the United States and the EU, tie the region to the future Turkish Empire named after Erdogan, or is it a joint game between the United States and NATO against the Russian Federation, in which Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia play within the framework of a common plan.
    The coming days will show how things were. The problem of Karabakh is not in the first place here.
  16. pytar
    pytar 2 October 2020 13: 04
    -2
    There was a turkophile here on VO. On the forums, vesde wrote euphoric pretentious speeches, how Azerbajan, with the help of Turkey, will tear down Armenia to smithereens, and Russia cannot do anything! I don’t see him in that thread, but I’ll write it back!



    Russia will not allow Azerbajan to take Karabakh. Because, in this case, Russia will lose Armenia, and also Azerbaijan. As a result, it will lose the entire Caucasus - the region is vital for it. Russia is now silent, because it is conducting educational work with Pashinyan. Azerbaijan and Turkey thought that the Russians had left the region forever ... They are mistaken! Russia never leaves if it has already come here! If the Russians are not prominent, they most likely went out for lunch. And their feasts, as we know, are long ... drinks And as soon as someone gets into their zone of influence, the Russians will definitely return! Come back and give out kicks to whoever needs it! No Turkey can pull here, Erdogan shouldn't have made himself a sultan and climbed into the zones of Russian interests - Syria, Libya, the Caucasus, Central Asia and off. No matter how much Turkey has strengthened in recent decades and no matter how weak Russia looks, the Turks will never be able to compete with the Russians on an equal footing! It is better for the Ottomans to sit peacefully on their own train, otherwise they will lose what they have! Russia is never as weak as it looks! Turks, training Azeris, should have drawn conclusions from history, but no! Forgot! Azerbaijanis and Armenians, only by obeying the Russians, can get along side by side. Everything else for them is a path to nowhere, a dead end, but for Erdogan, bruises and plaster! good
    Russia is not just a factor, Russia is a fundamental factor! If someone tries to bypass it, he will have to make a sooo long journey with an unknown outcome ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 October 2020 13: 23
      +1
      After Pashinyan came to power, Russia has already lost Armenia de facto - the same Maidan power is being lost by European integrators.
      1. pytar
        pytar 2 October 2020 13: 26
        0
        Lost nothing. Armenia has nowhere to go, no matter how much Pashinyan would like. Armenia cannot exist without Russia's help. Pashinyan probably already understood or is in the process of understanding the situation. A wonder comes, it's a pity that its price is so many human lives!
  17. Baskak
    Baskak 2 October 2020 14: 16
    +9
    Ankara opened several fronts at once in different directions

    The days of the Sublime Port are over. The new Turkish empire is not destined to be. Ankara will tear itself apart in its attempts to recreate the empire.
  18. Baskak
    Baskak 2 October 2020 14: 19
    +9
    Turkey cannot but understand that it is invading the zone of Russian influence

    Nedosultan is confident that Russia will not intervene in the conflict. Therefore, he climbs into the Transcaucasus.
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  20. 1536
    1536 2 October 2020 17: 18
    0
    Let's, let's, let's fight Turkey again? What kind of war will this be? There are not enough fingers to count. The British from Britain just need it. Throughout its adult life, Britain has been striving to seize Baku oil, to organize an outpost in the Caucasus in order to control the Mediterranean straits, the Black Sea coast, the Middle East and the entire European Plain up to the Ural Mountains. Let us help them in this already in the XNUMXst century ... And we will consolidate the power of the British traders along with their brothers from other very proud countries over Russia, now for eternal times. Is it no coincidence, apparently, in the Moscow metro all announcements are duplicated in English?
    Just what will 2 million Russian tourists in Turkey say about this, Russian business that has strong ties with Turkish businessmen, etc.? What will the Turks, who work in Russia, build, trade, study, say?
    But comrades, Armenian moneybags from many countries where they settled, will surely thank us all. Big and human. After all, this does not oblige you to anything, but it shows great friendship between peoples, while you can calmly continue to do your job. But what's the matter? Or still think about the future, not paying attention to the cries that "Russia will not exist", that, apparently, "Russian slaves will be sold in Turkish markets as in the XNUMXth century" or, what else can you think of there under this sardine?
  21. gurzuf
    gurzuf 2 October 2020 17: 49
    0
    For free Kurdistan! what So what? drinks
  22. Olezhek
    Olezhek 2 October 2020 18: 40
    0
    Turkey, intervening in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, pursues only one goal - to become an important figure in the international arena


    No. Turkey simply cannot fail to "fit in" for Azerbaijan
    Well, approximately as if we had normal allied relations with Belarus, then Russia would automatically fit into any conflict over Minsk
    Without options.
    It's just that today we have virtually no allies, so it is difficult for us to understand the situation.
    "no one to try on"
    Armenia is a member of the CSTO, but far from being an ally in the full sense.
  23. Radikal
    Radikal 2 October 2020 19: 31
    0
    Quote: Temples
    Azerbaijan will end if Russia leaves the Caucasus.
    Both Armenia and Georgia.

    Turkey or Iran will be there.

    "Our" republics could exist only under the Russian cap.
    These proud horsemen will either cut each other or their neighbors will help them.

    No wonder they themselves asked to go to Russia.

    And hundreds of years of existence in Russia suggests that this is a working model of the existence of these peoples.

    Of course - such "generals" know better, burn further. lol
  24. Crabong
    Crabong 3 October 2020 14: 43
    0
    No matter how cynical it is, but Russia seems to be better off ... Azerbaijan will breathe a breath, the Armenians will realize a little how much a pound of dashing and will overestimate their slogans "Russian invaders get out of Armenia", the Turks will get involved in problematic moments ... And there it will be possible and do something ...