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Strikes on columns and downed An-2: the fifth day of fighting in Karabakh on the video of the sides

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Strikes on columns and downed An-2: the fifth day of fighting in Karabakh on the video of the sides

Armenia and Azerbaijan, judging by the results of the fifth day of the war, are determined to continue hostilities and do not intend to compromise. Video footage from the theater of military operations confirms this.


Allegedly, on the evening of October 1 alone, eight Grad MLRS were eliminated. The effectiveness of air fire is confirmed by footage with a launcher of this type in motion: drones successfully hit both stationary and mobile targets.



The "Osa-AKM" air defense missile system, the main military anti-aircraft weapon of the Armenian forces, continues to be "carved". It is significant that, in contrast to the previous videos, the destroyed systems are “in an open field” in the frames, not even protected by a parapet. As can be assumed, the Armenian military realized that the air superiority of the unmanned aviation Azerbaijan allows the enemy to calculate the position of the air defense missile system, despite their shelter by an earthen embankment from observation. Apparently, under the current conditions, the withdrawal of "anti-aircraft guns" from the "trenches" increases their maneuverability, which is necessary to counter the air threat.



Despite the air advantage gained by the Azerbaijani aviation, it suffers certain losses. In particular, the downed Israeli-made IAI Harop loitering ammunition is on display. The footage shows the destruction of the An-2, which was apparently carried out in an unmanned version.




The Armenian Defense Ministry declares the successful destruction of enemy bases and military equipment.



Some of the military vehicles fall into the hands of the Armenian military in safety and further serve their interests. The frames show three BMP-2.



The Azerbaijani military department also displays trophies, among which there are 12,7-mm KORD, AK-103, Zastava M93 Black Arrow and SVD sniper rifles, Pulsar Apex IR sight, RG-40 6-mm grenade launcher and 9M133 Kornet ATGM.



One of the videos shows an artificial hill on which depopulated fortifications have been erected, apparently intended to house a guard detachment of the Azerbaijani army. The shot column of troops directed to Baku is shown.




However, among the vehicles destroyed at the pass, the Azerbaijani BMP-3 appears.



As AZTV explains, demonstrating the relevant personnel, during the offensive it was possible to establish control over a number of territories of Karabakh.



Karabakh troops demonstrate footage of losses among enemy personnel. Many observers draw attention to the fact that there are practically no photo and video materials with prisoners of war, moreover, from both sides of the conflict. They are not included in the statistics of battles either.

It is announced that the parties to the conflict are beginning to use "large caliber": the Azerbaijani army - MLRS "Smerch", the Armenian troops - operational-tactical missiles "Tochka-U".

In general, a number of observers note a significant decrease in the intensity of hostilities, in particular, the activity of unmanned aviation in Azerbaijan, including Bayraktar TB2 strike UAVs, has significantly decreased.
Photos used:
Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan; https://vk.com/armenia_military_portal
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  1. SAG
    SAG 2 October 2020 03: 57
    22
    What a pity the fraternal peoples. The senseless destruction of people that will lead nowhere. I am sure no one will get tangible benefits, except perhaps Erdogan, who will further strengthen his influence on Azerbaijan ... If, of course, Iran does not intervene. Russia should definitely not go there ... A maximum of peacekeepers and then a mixed contingent with a UN mandate for this.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 2 October 2020 04: 33
      23
      Quote: SAG
      Russia should definitely not go there ...

      I think the Russian Federation will not get there. Why? Firstly, Pashinyan became the head of Armenia on the mood of rapprochement with the West, declining Russia in cases. Secondly, no matter how cynical it may sound, this conflict is beneficial for us and the Turks. If Baku returns Karabakh, the 30-year-old smoldering conflict will die out for a long time. And the Russian Federation will get rid of the headache, to have a hot spot near its borders.
      But ...
      The Kremlin probably made an offer to Pashinyan, realizing that there is no one else to turn to, namely, Russia is pulling the sides to the corners, and in Karabakh it is placing its peacekeeping contingent, with the subsequent creation of its base there.
      At the same time, Pashinyan signs voluntarily, an agreement that has no claims to Baku. As a result, the Armenians will not forgive Pashinyan's defeat, and he will leave the arena, which is very beneficial for us.
      Why such conclusions? Because Yerevan will not receive support anywhere, NATO will not stand up for it, since it has become a member of the alliance in the form of Turkey for Baku, and no one will fight against its allies. Macron said -ay yay yay. Trump has no time for Pashinyan at all. The RF remains, which is why Pashinyan called Moscow twice.
      The Kremlin does not even think of getting involved in a military conflict. But I think we must beware of sabotage of Armenians (under the sauce, they say, they are Azeibarjans) in relation to our contingent of troops, in order to draw us into a military conflict, under the auspices of assistance under the CSTO agreement.
      In general, the Kremlin's policy is still very correct. To pre-marinate Pashinyan to surrender and establish their own peacekeeping contingent in Karabakh, returning Armenia to the field of their interests, without getting involved in this military conflict.
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 2 October 2020 05: 02
        53
        Quote: NEXUS
        in Karabakh it puts its peacekeeping contingent, with the subsequent creation of its base there.

        There is one nuance, namely, Nagorno-Karabakh is legally the territory of Azerbaijan and Pashinyan's consent does not matter for the creation of a Russian base, Armenia has not even recognized Karabakh yet, and here it is ridiculous to ask Pashinyan's consent. Well, Azerbaijan and the Turks behind it are unlikely to agree to the creation of a Russian base in Karabakh, the Gabala station has long been closed. And why do we need a base in Karabakh, there is enough in Armenia, but here again Armenians and Azerbaijanis are separated, why do we need this, again both will blame Russia, I see no point.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 2 October 2020 05: 07
          -17 qualifying.
          Quote: Anatol Klim
          Well, Azerbaijan and the Turks behind it are unlikely to agree to the creation of a Russian base in Karabakh,

          That is why I said about the PEACEKEEPING CONTINGENT. And then you can build a base.
          Quote: Anatol Klim
          And why do we need a base in Karabakh, in Armenia there is - enough,

          In Armenia, one base is stupidly not enough. There you need two, and preferably three bases in key directions.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 2 October 2020 07: 53
            -7
            Quote: NEXUS
            In general, the Kremlin's policy is still very correct. To pre-marinate Pashinyan to surrender and establish their own peacekeeping contingent in Karabakh, returning Armenia to the field of their interests, without getting involved in this military conflict.

            Quote: NEXUS
            In Armenia, one base is stupidly not enough. There you need two, and preferably three bases in key directions.

            I rarely agree with you, but this time I agree completely!
            1. Deck
              Deck 2 October 2020 09: 00
              -3
              The presidential Yak-7 performed a peaceful reconnaissance flight in the sky of Nagorno-Karabakh. Suddenly, from behind the clouds, a group of unfriendly MiG-29s appeared with a portrait of Ilham Aliyev on the fuselage and an unequal battle ensued. The Armenian fighter, maneuvering in the mountains of Karabakh, and skillfully using all the onboard weapons, was able to destroy most of the enemy aircraft. Having used up all the ammunition, the pilot decided to ram and in a head-on attack destroyed the last enemy aircraft
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 2 October 2020 09: 09
                +5
                laughing You should write books on popular science literature!
                1. Kruglov
                  Kruglov 3 October 2020 14: 17
                  0
                  Better fantastic!
              2. Malyuta
                Malyuta 2 October 2020 09: 22
                +8
                Quote: Deck
                Having used up all the ammunition, the pilot decided to ram and in a head-on attack destroyed the last enemy aircraft

                I would also add about an accurate shot from a rocket launcher exactly in the eye of the leader of the unfriendly group. good
                1. Deck
                  Deck 2 October 2020 13: 07
                  +1
                  I will improve. In general, articles and comments on VO stimulate creative activity, and not only for me:

                  "Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev issued a decree on expanding the territory of the state due to the inclusion of Lake Sevan and its coast. In the document, Sevan is called the ancient shrine of the Azerbaijani people, and control over its waters is a strategic goal of Azerbaijan.
                  “Sevashli is our national shrine, occupied by the Armenians. If we don't get it back, in the future the lake will become a springboard for an attack not only on Karabakh, but also on Baku. When we restore control over these historical lands, we will create a decent infrastructure and put things in order there, ”Aliyev said.
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 2 October 2020 19: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Deck
                    Aliyev said. "

                    Another clown of the spoken genre laughing By the way, Petrosyan, Lavrov and Mishustin also have a cornice of the Ararat valley yes laughing
                    1. Deck
                      Deck 2 October 2020 19: 22
                      -5
                      I try to match the level of pike vests with VO wassat
                      1. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 2 October 2020 19: 31
                        +4
                        Quote: Deck
                        I try to match the level of pike vests with VO

                        I agree that if you read all the apologists and analyticoffs without humor, then you can be damaged by reason belay laughing Do we need it? laughing laughing laughing
              3. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin 2 October 2020 17: 55
                0
                Quote: Deck
                The presidential Yak-7 performed a peaceful reconnaissance flight in the sky of Nagorno-Karabakh.

                The President, as I understand it, remained safe and sound?
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 2 October 2020 19: 32
                  +4
                  Quote: Captain Pushkin
                  The President, as I understand it, remained safe and sound?

                  There they all died and the sea swallowed them at the same moment laughing
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 2 October 2020 11: 07
            +6
            How do you intend to supply them? A base in a country with no common border and no outlet to the sea is at least a gamble ..
          3. ssergey1978
            ssergey1978 2 October 2020 18: 49
            +2
            Why waste time on trifles build 5 bases and preferably at your own expense. The base in Gyumri is needed more quickly by Armenia than by Russia, and if sclerosis does not change it, it contains this base.
          4. ankir13
            ankir13 3 October 2020 13: 37
            0
            In that contingent, peacekeeping, excuse me, will you sit by yourself? And build a base?
        2. Omskgasmyas
          Omskgasmyas 2 October 2020 05: 14
          25
          I support. If there is a base, both sides will hate us and shoot us from around the corner. A reason will be found or will be created.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 2 October 2020 05: 26
            -9
            Quote: Omskgazmyas
            I support. If there is a base, both sides will hate us and shoot us from around the corner. A reason will be found or will be created.

            Let them roll it up and shove it into one place. How do you imagine the shelling of Russian peacekeepers, if the Russian base is nearby, as well as the Russian border? Countries on which absolutely nothing depends at all in that region, in your opinion, will they decide to wrestle with the Russian Federation? Are you seriously?
            Despite the fact that the Russian military will not even need to enter the territory of these states, if there are Caliber, Iskander, fleet, electronic warfare systems, etc. ... well, well.
          2. Vita vko
            Vita vko 2 October 2020 06: 44
            +6
            Quote: Omskgazmyas
            or it will be created

            Both Armenia and Azerbaijan have been actively arming themselves over the past 20 years. Naturally, this weapon should have fired. It is doubtful that Rosoboronexport did not understand this when it supplied offensive weapons to both sides. Consequently, the conflict is beneficial, if not all, then a certain circle in Russia. Perhaps this is another vector of distracting Erdogan's attention from Syria, as an option for the withdrawal of militants from Idlib with their subsequent disposal.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 4 October 2020 11: 37
              +1
              Quote: Vita VKO
              Both Armenia and Azerbaijan have been actively arming themselves over the past 20 years.

              This is not an indicator, and it is not a motivation for ordinary citizens to go to fight for their homeland - alas, but for these peoples this is exactly the case. This is easily provable, if only because they easily get along in Russia.

              Quote: Vita VKO
              It is doubtful that Rosoboronexport did not understand this when it supplied offensive weapons to both sides.

              If we do not supply them with weapons, this niche will immediately be taken by others, so you shouldn't bother with this at all.
              Quote: Vita VKO
              Consequently, the conflict is beneficial, if not all, then a certain circle in Russia.

              This is a controversial statement, given the fact that there are too many representatives of these peoples living in our country. It is definitely not beneficial to us.

              Quote: Vita VKO
              Perhaps this is another vector of distracting Erdogan's attention from Syria, as an option for the withdrawal of militants from Idlib with their subsequent disposal.

              I still don’t understand why the Armenian world diaspora, which is sufficiently wealthy and owning huge funds, does not finance the same Kurdish rebels to inflict several targeted sabotage along Turkish pipelines, and this would immediately reduce Erdogan's activity. Apparently Armenians love money more than their fellow tribesmen in Nagorno-Karabakh, that's why the war dragged on.
          3. Wertgan
            Wertgan 2 October 2020 18: 41
            +2
            It's not about the base. Armenia, like Azerbaijan, is a sphere of our interests. If you want, this is all our great Motherland. And if we are not there, then our enemies will be there. From the point of view of the Armenian people ... Let's think about it. Most likely, in all scenarios except one, they are destined to go through conflicts with Turkey and the states that will become its satellites. That is, another Armenian massacre is likely. Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia, then Kazakhstan ... This is all a process of utilizing the legacy of the USSR. Its territory. In fact, the recycling of large Russia. And when they finish with them, they will take over the RSFSR. So we need a base or a continent or some other form of presence to ensure the protection of our large territory and interests. And no matter how sometimes our rulers are critical of the USSR, they consistently, starting from Pristina, try to ensure this process. In Pristina it was not possible, but in Transnistria it was successful. And so on. And the issue of supply now, in one might say peacetime, does not matter in comparison with the application for our presence. Peaceful, because as soon as we have declared our interests there, peace will be ensured by our nuclear umbrella.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 2 October 2020 19: 39
              -4
              how does the base in Armenia protect the Russian Federation? from a blow from the south? a small contingent there .. well, let us increase it .. And will the minke be put in a base loyal to Georgia and? how will the Armenian base help? so that what doesn't happen? they are already from all sides on the borders - one base in Armenia more or less fundamentally does not change the alignment in this region - because Georgia is under the minke, Azerbaijan is already on its way there (our base was closed), and the base in Armenia was being built - when they weren't there .. but about the nuclear umbrella I completely agree ..
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 2 October 2020 09: 00
        +5
        Quote: NEXUS
        ... If Baku returns Karabakh, the 30-year-old smoldering conflict will die out for a long time. And the Russian Federation will get rid of the headache, to have a hot spot near its borders.

        Why on earth will it "fade"?

        The Armenians ... will "agree"? And thousands of terrorists from Syria, where will they go? Look how many kilometers they are to Russia.

        And yet, the victory of Turkey (and the occupied Karabakh is precisely her victory) is a strong blow to the positions of Russia in the South Caucasus, from where the winged terrorists with the Sultan will move to the North Caucasus and Wed. Asia and from it to the North
      3. Malyuta
        Malyuta 2 October 2020 09: 28
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        If Baku returns Karabakh, the 30-year-old smoldering conflict will die out for a long time. And the Russian Federation will get rid of the headache, to have a hot spot near its borders.

        Colleague, writing nonsense with a smart look of an analyteg, this is aerobatics wassat
        I will tell you that if Baku returns Karabakh, the Armenians will want to return it and this can go on forever. And at the same time I want to remind you that Armenia is a member of the CSTO, I hope you will understand the rest yourself. hi
    2. Unknown
      Unknown 2 October 2020 06: 20
      13
      Quote: SAG
      What a pity the fraternal peoples. The senseless destruction of people that will lead nowhere. I am sure no one will get tangible benefits, except perhaps Erdogan, who will further strengthen his influence on Azerbaijan ... If, of course, Iran does not intervene. Russia should definitely not go there ... A maximum of peacekeepers and then a mixed contingent with a UN mandate for this.
      ... they are not brotherly at all, and not when they were not. but what they have in common and is striking is Russian weapons and equipment, which both sides have in sufficient quantity. yes, the principle of divide and conquer is fully manifested. and all on Turkish drones with Israeli nods. Here are not good ones you understand. but it may be so, let them beat each other. and Erdogan stands on the sidelines while Aliyev's daughter lives and hangs out in Moscow, not in Istanbul. but the fact that there is no need to climb there, I agree, for 1989, I have not heard thanks not once. to end the conflict of russia at once. stop the supply of arms to both sides, and put pressure on the wallpaper of the diaspora in russia, which have a huge influence in their historical homeland.
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      2. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 2 October 2020 10: 33
        -1
        Quote: Unknown
        Quote: SAG
        What a pity the fraternal peoples. The senseless destruction of people that will lead nowhere. I am sure no one will get tangible benefits, except perhaps Erdogan, who will further strengthen his influence on Azerbaijan ... If, of course, Iran does not intervene. Russia should definitely not go there ... A maximum of peacekeepers and then a mixed contingent with a UN mandate for this.
        ... to put pressure on the wallpaper of the diaspora in Russia, which has a huge impact on their historical homeland.

        We have already tried it, and they pressed with different force, and with different objects and in different places ... It didn't help, only the wallpaper was torn and that's it
        1. Unknown
          Unknown 2 October 2020 18: 00
          +3
          you are mistaken, our government did not even try. examples of putting things in order in bazaars is a trifle ...
          ... ....... here is the first character of the Aliyev clan who has a big business in Russia. Araz Iskender oglu Agalaro. The second, or rather the second Leyla Aliyeva (born 3.07.1984), an Azerbaijani public figure, editor-in-chief of the Baku magazine, vice-president of the Heydar Aliyev Foundation and head of the Foundation's representative office in Russia, general coordinator of the OIC Youth Forum on intercultural dialogue, the chairman of the Azerbaijan youth organization of Russia - AMOR, and the family can continue further, but I will not, there is a whole article to write. even in the diaspora, Vagit Alekperov, Zarakh Iliev, Farhad Akhmedov and the list can be continued but I will not. The same picture is in the Armenian diaspora, for example, the general director of the retail chain "Magnit" Sergei Galitsky (Harutyunyan, you do not need to list everything further clearly. That is why you need to put pressure on them, the authorities have leverage, and not kiss them in the gums. then, to a heap and who in the bazaar to brush it.And I assure you, they will all quickly set the brains of both Aliyev and Pashanyan, and if it does not reach those, then it will not take long for them to organize one more revolutions, what is the problem.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 2 October 2020 18: 02
            -2
            Quote: Unknown
            you are mistaken, our government did not even try. examples of putting things in order in bazaars is a trifle ...
            ... ....... here is the first character of the Aliyev clan who has a big business in Russia. Araz Iskender oglu Agalaro. The second, or rather the second Leyla Aliyeva (born 3.07.1984), an Azerbaijani public figure, editor-in-chief of the Baku magazine, vice-president of the Heydar Aliyev Foundation and head of the Foundation's representative office in Russia, general coordinator of the OIC Youth Forum on intercultural dialogue, the chairman of the Azerbaijan youth organization of Russia - AMOR, and the family can continue further, but I will not, there is a whole article to write. even in the diaspora, Vagit Alekperov, Zarakh Iliev, Farhad Akhmedov and the list can be continued but I will not. The same picture is in the Armenian diaspora, for example, the general director of the retail chain "Magnit" Sergei Galitsky (Harutyunyan, you do not need to list everything further clearly. That is why you need to put pressure on them, the authorities have leverage, and not kiss them in the gums. then, to a heap and who in the bazaar to brush it.And I assure you, they will all quickly set the brains of both Aliyev and Pashanyan, and if it does not reach those, then it will not take long for them to organize one more revolutions, what is the problem.

            The wallpaper was pressed for sure
            1. Unknown
              Unknown 2 October 2020 18: 31
              +2
              not noticeable. a crow will not peck out a crow's eyes.
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 2 October 2020 18: 44
                -2
                Quote: Unknown
                not noticeable. a crow will not peck out a crow's eyes.

                They pressed with all their might, in some places they even broke
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 2 October 2020 19: 43
            0
            Galitsky has no relation to the magnet for a long time.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 2 October 2020 04: 00
    +7
    Infantry got it ... on the last video it is clear that the striking blow was inflicted suddenly, no one even had time to scatter ... I wonder how they were covered? ... it is dangerous to gather in one heap ...
    A war went on to deplete the forces of the opposing sides ... who will be the first to fizzle out?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 2 October 2020 04: 29
      +7
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      A war of attrition has gone

      They have been butting for thirty years now, with breaks to heal injuries ...
      1. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 3 October 2020 03: 46
        +1
        By all indicators, Armenians are winning
    2. sds555
      sds555 2 October 2020 04: 29
      +9
      Yes, there was a whole platoon, 32 fighters were counted
      1. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 3 October 2020 03: 47
        -1
        Well, the figleys are underdeveloped
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 2 October 2020 04: 33
      +8
      I think they were dragged to one place after the fight. It just doesn't happen that so many people die in a line on the spot. At least if they started to cover hard, HP would start scattering. request
      Well, of course, run out of steam soon at such a rate of equipment loss and ammunition consumption on both sides. In theory, it is more difficult for the attackers, which means the Azeri. Moreover, drones and guided ammunition cost money and it is unlikely that all the warehouses of the Azeri are filled with Israeli UAVs and missiles. These are not Ukrainian warehouses with Soviet weapons exported from East Germany. request Already several aircraft flights were from Israel and Turkey to Baku. Something is brought up, but for such an intensity of battles it is impossible to be supplied from the wheels. It means that in a week or two they will conclude a truce in order to purchase and regroup. The Armenians also need to redeploy and analyze the first days of the air defense.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 2 October 2020 04: 37
        0
        It just doesn't happen that so many people die in a line on the spot.

        It happens ... if a powerful IED is used ... a very dangerous and deadly thing.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 2 October 2020 04: 57
          13
          If a powerful SVU, then they would be scattered at least. And the epicenter would be clearly visible. In the middle there would be pieces of bodies, and closer to the edge - more wounded and crippled, or even if dead, then bleeding and it would be clear that people were crawling away. And here, according to the position of the bodies, it turns out almost instantly at such a distance. Doesn't beat. Probably stolen or brought and put. My IMHO.
          1. sds555
            sds555 2 October 2020 05: 02
            +3
            By the way, in the video, traces of dragging are not visible, they were hardly put there
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 2 October 2020 10: 48
              0
              By the way, in the video, traces of dragging are not visible, they were hardly put there
              If you watch the video, then traces of blood and other little things, you can assume that they found death there.
          2. Same lech
            Same lech 2 October 2020 05: 03
            +1

            If a powerful SVU, then they would be scattered at least.

            There is a vidos of a suicide bomber in a mosque ... 20 people died sitting tightly to each other ... the moment and place of the explosion were well chosen.
            In the video in the article, no traces of dragging are visible ... perhaps they were shooting the wounded ... war is war.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 2 October 2020 05: 07
              +7
              Well, a closed space is still different. Reflected shock wave, plus if there was an explosion on the hill. But this is not so. HZ.
              And the wounded seem to be finished off by both sides. I cannot give any other reason for the complete absence of prisoners. request Even trophy equipment is there, but there are no prisoners. That means they are probably finishing it off.
              1. Olezhek
                Olezhek 2 October 2020 20: 39
                -1
                And the wounded seem to be finished off by both sides. I cannot give any other reason for the complete absence of prisoners.

                Something is somehow tough ...
                Where else was it ???
                Are they really such animals to each other?
                1. Florian geyer
                  Florian geyer 3 October 2020 03: 41
                  -1
                  Everywhere. Prisoners, if lucky, take the infantry in the trenches. Can you imagine a rgspn with a herd of prisoners
          3. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 2 October 2020 09: 55
            +2
            If a powerful SVU, then they would be scattered at least.

          4. Blue fox
            Blue fox 2 October 2020 11: 07
            +1
            Not a powerful IED and not directed detonation a la several MES, especially not OZM. In the first case, there would be many fragments of bodies, a pronounced funnel-epicenter, in the second, to cover such a large group, a lot of mines are needed, because of the many fragments and the lesions caused by them, large puddles and streams of blood, traces of crawling wounded, small fragments bodies (hands, parts of the skull), scraps of ammunition and uniforms, scattering of cartridges and wreckage of weapons and twisted automatic magazines (in a word, everything that would not have been collected during inspection) and mown greenery around, and the greens would lie on the bodies and all this would be abundantly covered with dust and earth. I think that in the case of an air blast, such as shrapnel, the situation would probably be similar to the second option, but almost certainly at least some of the bodies would lie more orderly, the personnel would instinctively try to hide, protect their head, etc. upon hearing the arrival. If only something cassette ... or a very heaped volley ... but I have never seen this. Although the bodies were turned over and examined, weapons and documents were collected, so it is difficult to draw conclusions. Most likely they were taken to one place by the arms and legs, so there are no traces of dragging.
            1. Florian geyer
              Florian geyer 2 October 2020 21: 05
              +1
              Which first one? Why multiple MONs? There is a road in a hollow with a turn. One MON 90 will mow everything there and the fighters will finish it off from above.
              Definitely not an artillery ammunition or an aerial bomb - there are no swollen cyanotic bodies.
              But the finished off wounded are present.
              1. Florian geyer
                Florian geyer 2 October 2020 21: 08
                0
                By the way, I am confused by something else. For equipment like infantry, but where is their equipment? If there is no equipment, where are the backpacks? Do they walk like in 1914? Without everything? Or has the property already been taken over by someone?
              2. Blue fox
                Blue fox 2 October 2020 21: 40
                +2
                MON-90 is not a superweapon, the sector is rather narrow, not only in front, but also in height of the target, especially since the effect of shrapnel hitting personnel not even wearing bulletproof vests, but in ordinary unloading with magazines, weapons in their hands and steel helmets is greatly exaggerated ... Some of the fragments inevitably go into ricochets, the rest are stopped by weapons, b / c, skeletal bones, uniforms and ammunition. This is not a video from YouTube with holes in plywood silhouette shields, although the result "for meat" is not for the faint of heart. I saw the result of MON-90 triggering on a stretch over a flock of sheep wandered in the fog onto a path from "greenery", from 5 meters, " »The head of the ram was torn off by a concentrated bundle of fragments, but the carcass remained intact, because the rest of the fragments ricocheted away from the hummock (the mine was placed on frozen soil and apparently warped after thawing and a few rains), 1-2 sheep behind it were blown away and heavily smashed by fragments tearing off some of the limbs, then also 1-2 sheep-rams were wounded and lay, but 20-30 minutes after the approach of the inspection group, when a PKM, RPK and AGS-17 duty officer worked on half a snail from a nearby checkpoint at the trigger point ( why the reliability of the defeat of living creatures only by fragments of the Ministry of Education and Science can be questioned), not counting the 74, they were still alive. The rest of the flock scattered and according to the story of the locals, in a day only one sheep died, cut by fragments, there were also wounded animals, but they survived.
                1. Florian geyer
                  Florian geyer 2 October 2020 21: 57
                  +1
                  I've seen the detachment and bmp of Monk 50. Everyone died, and the BMP was so full of holes that it was impossible to start it. But this is so in terms of measuring who saw what.
                  Seriously, in this case, people were mostly shot.

                  In addition, I don’t know how you were taught in your bursa, monks are best placed on a tree at chest level, and preferably 2-3, on a rope
          5. Florian geyer
            Florian geyer 2 October 2020 21: 19
            +1
            On a fig to drag, if you can and so take pictures and "collage" to make. Have you carried a lot of dead bodies? And figuratively laid out? And the blood was sprinkled on the cross bushes?
            L - logic
            L - laziness
        2. Florian geyer
          Florian geyer 2 October 2020 20: 47
          0
          No, rather Monka + Strelkovka. There is a video turn of the road, classic G
        3. Florian geyer
          Florian geyer 2 October 2020 21: 23
          0
          No. From a powerful land mine, for example, an aerial bomb, the corpses are repulsed and swollen. And here half died from rapid blood loss (arterial bleeding) and half was brainwashed. The patients were definitely shot
      2. sds555
        sds555 2 October 2020 04: 50
        +4
        Well, then there would be traces of explosions on the bodies And so one shooter, well, the maximum maybe MONKA worked. Well, in general, most of them probably lay very densely immediately from an ambush, the rest were shot along the way, in this war there are two sides in view of special reasons they don't take prisoners
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 2 October 2020 05: 03
          +4
          MONKA will not put so many people at such a distance. Well, if only a few spaced along and undermined at the same time. But you need to know exactly what they will go there and how they will go in order to correctly set a trap.
          If they stumbled upon an ambush from a pair of machine guns, then it could have been, but then all the same all would not have died at once. It would be seen that they were running up and lying down. In general, my IMHO was stolen.
          1. Florian geyer
            Florian geyer 2 October 2020 21: 00
            0
            Do you even understand how an ambush is done? The place is ideal there in the video turn, the classic G. In the corner of Monk (I think 90) attached to a tree, and accordingly in the classics. One machine gun works at the enemy at the base of the G, the rest of the scouts along the long line of the letter G knock down the enemy's HP. Why are they all on the other side? Because the battle formations of "ours" on this (from where they shoot)
            And again, do not forget about - Inspection, finish off the wounded and the control prisoner.
            During the inspection, weapons and documents are seized (report).
            And the fact that there are finished off, trying to crawl away immediately visible.
            The only thing is stupid - why did they shoot?
        2. Florian geyer
          Florian geyer 2 October 2020 21: 13
          0
          And that the scouts are a trophy team to escort a platoon of prisoners somewhere there? It happens always and everywhere
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 2 October 2020 05: 14
      10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      A war went on to deplete the forces of the opposing sides ... who will be the first to fizzle out?

      While Pashinyan was galloping with the Armenians on his Maidan, like a baboon during the mating season, Baku armed itself, built factories for the production of its own UAVs, which now successfully iron Armenians, bought the most modern weapons, etc. Moreover, if you look at the demographics of these countries , then Azeibarjan has positive dynamics on the face, but Armenia does not. Add to this that Turkey is behind Baku and the answer to your question will be drawn by itself.
      1. the finish
        the finish 2 October 2020 08: 04
        -1
        Why are YOU sticking to this Pashinyan? You can't do without it in every post!
        1. serzh.kost
          serzh.kost 2 October 2020 09: 36
          -7
          so they justify the actions, or rather the inaction of the Russian authorities in relation to Armenia. they say Soros's henchman, it means he is to blame, nothing needs to be done. but it was necessary to grow and deliver a pro-Russian one.
          denial - it's easier to blame others for your mistakes than to admit that Armenia has been blinded.
        2. Dmitry Donyakin
          Dmitry Donyakin 2 October 2020 19: 23
          0
          Pashinyan is from that "glorious" cohort of politicians for whom their Motherland is "this" country. I think that he was pushed into power just for this - to "drain" Karabakh. I am sure that everything was so, as Azerbaijan claims. That the Armenians started first. The shelling of his territory gave rise to a response. Another thing is that they knew where and when the "provocation" would happen. Because they themselves conducted through their protégé. And they firmly knew that after jumping like baboons and burning our flags, the "north wind" would not blow. He didn’t blow. And now only he can save Armenia. Therefore, Turkey and Azerbaijan reacted so instantly to the "shot down" Armenian attack aircraft. Because they are afraid of the reaction of the North. And they behave very carefully. My forecast is that the Armenians will not hold back Karabakh. I agree with some commentators that this is a plus for us. Aliyev knows for sure that he can get back Karabakh if ​​only we allow him. He will owe us. For everyone else, this will be a lesson that they shouldn't give a damn about Big Brother. And Armenia will not go anywhere from us. Because we didn’t give up Karabakh. And they themselves. By the hands of Pashinyan. And they will pray every morning at our base. After all, as soon as we leave there, Armenia as a state will end. They lost Karabakh on the first day of the Maidan. And the personification of this loss is Pashinyan.
          1. Olezhek
            Olezhek 2 October 2020 20: 37
            +1
            Pashinyan is from that "glorious" cohort of politicians for whom their Motherland is "this" country. I think that he was pushed into power just for this - to "drain" Karabakh. ... And they firmly knew that after jumping like baboons and burning our flags, the "north wind" would not blow. He didn’t blow. And now only he can save Armenia. Therefore, Turkey and Azerbaijan reacted so instantly to the "shot down" Armenian attack aircraft. Because they are afraid of the reaction of the North. And they behave very carefully. My forecast is that the Armenians will not hold back Karabakh. I agree with some commentators that this is a plus for us.


            I will say this - it is difficult to step there
            It's easier to defend
            Technically, Azerbaijanis are better armed, but this is not the Wehrmacht, however
            (by motivation and discipline)
            They will bite off a piece of Karabakh back, and the size of this "piece" will depend on the staunchness of the Armenian defense.
            Azerbaijan does not have the resources to take the whole of Karabakh - they are hoping.
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    1. Same lech
      Same lech 2 October 2020 04: 06
      +8
      Can anyone explain this action video diarrhea?

      What is there to explain request one side shows the losses of the other side ... also to me the Punchinelle's secret ... for me the more you show the citizens of both republics what losses they will incur, the sooner they will realize that their sons, fathers, brothers are dying and that politicians need to be forced to negotiate peacefully war must be avoided by all means to the last possible ... and paradoxically it is necessary to arm yourself and once again arm yourself with the most modern types of weapons ... the sight of a steep club sobering up the enemy well.
  4. zontov79
    zontov79 2 October 2020 04: 11
    12
    Edik needs to be properly punished, to arm the Kurds and let the Turks get it according to their ambitions.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 2 October 2020 04: 21
      11
      Edik needs to be punished

      The Kurds themselves lie under the Americans ... that the US State Department will tell them what they will do ... it remains only to punish with tomatoes.
      Erdogan has big plans for the Caucasus and Crimea and the entire Mediterranean bridgehead ... so sooner or later we will have to reason with this guy by force ... he is too cunning ... he will stick a dagger in the back of his partner with a smile and turn him around with pleasure a couple of times.
    2. raki-uzo
      raki-uzo 2 October 2020 06: 18
      0
      They (Kurdish terrorists) have been arming for 40 years, sell your pants and also join.
  5. apro
    apro 2 October 2020 04: 20
    +3
    Armenia and Azerbaijan, judging by the results of the fifth day of the war, are determined to continue hostilities and do not intend to compromise

    Yes, the boys are adults, ambitions are off the charts, self-righteousness is out of all the shells ... and most importantly, they have long been sovereign and independent and are building their lives for an empowered understanding ... which is what I sincerely wish them. And the most important thing is a departure from a common future with Russia. the problem that has arisen otherwise, as I understand it, they do not want and cannot. then they do not need to interfere with enjoying the bloodbath. they are nasty. nabegayutsya. and calm down. for Russians, this problem is for nobody. to figure it out.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 2 October 2020 04: 25
      +4
      shoot. run. and calm down.

      This conflict has lasted for centuries ... I suppose they will calm down when they lie together in their graves.
      Mother Death will pacify everyone.
    2. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 2 October 2020 11: 55
      0
      They run to calm down, the participants will calculate who is the loss and who is the dividend. Self-withdrawing will only count losses. Even if Pashiyan leaves after defeat, in my opinion, a pro-Russian candidate for power will not come there.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 October 2020 05: 42
    +8
    The whole abomination lies in the fact that someone dies fighting for his, as he believes, territory, and someone on this, pursuing their goals, wants to receive political, territorial and other dividends. And this someone (Turkey) is making loud inflammatory statements today, beating himself on the chest and showing an open fig to the countries calling for a ceasefire, incl. and to its NATO allies.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 2 October 2020 07: 41
      +5
      These calling countries rejoice inwardly.
      This is a great way to distract your own citizens from internal problems.
      Yes, along the way, and put a bunch under the door of Russia.
      And it is quite possible that apart from Turkey, the special services of these countries have made a lot of efforts to shake the situation.
  7. Alexy
    Alexy 2 October 2020 08: 30
    +5
    Who can explain what the invulnerability of an uav is? As far as I understand, they are all subsonic, and should be easily knocked out by anti-aircraft artillery, rab again. According to the video, the UAVs strike in the line of sight of the target. The Armenians, apparently, have no military air defense at all.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 2 October 2020 09: 08
      +4
      Quote: Alexy
      Who can explain what the invulnerability of an uav is? As far as I understand, they are all subsonic, and should be easily knocked out by anti-aircraft artillery.

      Stealth - the reflected signal is weak, the detection and capture range is also small. Until found - the UAV has already fired.
      Quote: Alexy
      rab again

      Does Armenia have it? A normal electronic warfare system, not separate complexes?
      1. anzar
        anzar 2 October 2020 10: 16
        0
        Stealth - the reflected signal is weak, detection range and the capture is also small.

        But the UAV has the same "detection range" enormous))) Especially camouflaged targets that do not emit anything, unlike Bayraktar himself. laughing And the weather conditions ...
        Until found - the UAV has already fired.

        Then there is no need to shoot him down)))
        This is a banal laxity, supplemented by the lack of funds to reach such heights. Apparently the experience from Syria and Libya, the Armenians do not care.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 2 October 2020 11: 00
          +2
          Quote: anzar
          But the UAV has the same "detection range" enormous))) Especially camouflaged targets that do not emit anything, unlike Bayraktar himself.

          And this problem was solved for the UAV: ​​the drummers - separately, and the scouts - separately. First, there are UAV scouts, revealing the defense. And already behind them, on the identified targets, they work out shock UAVs.
          Quote: anzar
          This is a banal laxity, supplemented by the lack of funds to reach such heights. Apparently the experience from Syria and Libya, the Armenians do not care.

          Where is the money? © smile
          To get drummers you need a minimum of "Torah". And to them - a full-fledged system of detection, target designation and communication. Plus electronic warfare. Plus imitators. And competent personnel.
          1. anzar
            anzar 2 October 2020 13: 51
            0
            First, there are UAV scouts, revealing the defense.

            And you can't shoot them down t, k, unarmed))) Just kidding, the electric ones are really subtle, although the continuous communication channel (non-satellite)) hasn't gone anywhere. That is why they probably want to endow them with "intellect", so that they would communicate less often. And they are not very high-altitude, from 5,5 km (as you write below) they will not "reveal" anything.
            The problem with unmanned aerial vehicles is not so intractable as the new one and the army traditionally)) still "ponder" what's what.
            where is the money, Zin? © To get drummers you need a minimum of "Torah".

            Since there is not enough money, you can also have an Igloy (from a moto-hang glider)))
      2. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 3 October 2020 12: 59
        -1
        Well, stealth ... Azerbaijanis are already riveting drones from An-2.
        This is what happens when a shkolota who has outplayed computer toys gets into the Turkish General Staff.
        Toys fly across the sky. Nice, but what?
        And on the ground, soldiers are stupidly driven to machine guns
  8. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 2 October 2020 09: 49
    +2
    Quote: Alexy
    Who can explain what the invulnerability of an uav is? As far as I understand, they are all subsonic, and should be easily knocked out by anti-aircraft artillery,

    The invulnerability of small UAVs is that the infantry has forgotten how to shoot down small subsonic non-flying targets. For this, an offensive machine gun on an anti-aircraft tripod is enough. In Korea, there were shooters-hunters for planes, who could even today bistro clear the sky of small drones / barrage ammunition.
    Large and flying overhead drones can be shot down by other drones or light manned aircraft.
    And if the enemy feeds on their drones with full-value fighters, then it is already necessary to shoot down these fighters.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 2 October 2020 11: 06
      +5
      Quote: Kostadinov
      The invulnerability of small UAVs is that the infantry has forgotten how to shoot down small subsonic non-flying targets.

      Well, here's a typical reconnaissance UAV - Orbiter 2.
      Wingspan - 3 m. Fuselage length - 1 m. It flies at heights up to 5,5 km. The engine is electric, low noise.
      How to detect and shoot down his infantry?
      1. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 3 October 2020 13: 00
        0
        DShK, that's what
  9. Zkv_4
    Zkv_4 2 October 2020 10: 50
    -1
    Personally, my opinion is that this war is an agreement between Russia and Turkey. What to do with militants from Syria? They must be disposed of correctly. Part in Syria, part in Libya, and also in Nagorno-Karabakh. Apparently the Sultan cannot just leave the militants. Everyone has their own benefit. Russia benefits from a minimum of militants in Syria, and the Sultan is a leader who is not "afraid" to go against Russia. Plus, everyone decides their political interests.
    1. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 3 October 2020 13: 02
      0
      Plus, bend Pashinyan towards Russia.
      And Azerbaijani soldiers suffer, who are driven in droves to machine guns
  10. Kart
    Kart 2 October 2020 11: 41
    -6
    the activity of unmanned aviation of Azerbaijan, including the Bayraktar TB2 attack UAVs, has significantly decreased.

    Are you over?
    How long was it? For 3 days?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 October 2020 13: 15
      -1
      Azerbaijan has hundreds of kamikaze drones - the Israeli ones will still give a lift, so nothing is over.
  11. Sirocco
    Sirocco 2 October 2020 12: 39
    +1
    I wonder what shot down the aircraft? An interesting rocket.
    1. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 3 October 2020 13: 03
      0
      Yes Needle shot down
  12. certero
    certero 2 October 2020 14: 37
    +1
    Quote: Alexy
    As far as I understand, they are all subsonic, and should be easily knocked out by anti-aircraft artillery, rab again. Su

    So there is no anti-aircraft artillery for a long time. There would be a couple of 88mm divisions Yes with shells with a radio fuse ...
    1. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 3 October 2020 13: 04
      0
      What kind of Germanophilia? :)) 85 would have done no worse. If you rummage through the warehouses ...
  13. 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 2 October 2020 17: 52
    0
    Only regret that everything turned out this way, pity for people and the pain of souls and hearts of loved ones who lost their soldiers.
  14. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 2 October 2020 18: 03
    -2
    Quote: Unknown
    to stop the supply of weapons to both sides, and put pressure on the wallpaper of the diaspora in Russia

    Azerbaijan can easily continue to arm itself without the Russian Federation.
    Armenia will have a harder time. And there is not a lot of money and the logistics are complicated.
    There is little sense to put pressure on the diasporas in the Russian Federation. They do not rule in the metropolises.
    So, according to your recipe, Azerbaijan will continue the war with renewed vigor.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 2 October 2020 18: 35
      -1
      Azerbaijan can easily continue to arm itself without the Russian Federation.


      Like yes
      They will not be able to fight for a long time
      Not Kaiser's Germany, tea.
      And Turkey will not be allowed to go to war
    2. Unknown
      Unknown 2 October 2020 19: 05
      -1
      Quote: Captain Pushkin
      Quote: Unknown
      to stop the supply of weapons to both sides, and put pressure on the wallpaper of the diaspora in Russia

      Azerbaijan can easily continue to arm itself without the Russian Federation.
      Armenia will have a harder time. And there is not a lot of money and the logistics are complicated.
      There is little sense to put pressure on the diasporas in the Russian Federation. They do not rule in the metropolises.
      So, according to your recipe, Azerbaijan will continue the war with renewed vigor.
      have a combat-ready, equipped with modern technology
      army, expensive pleasure. not every country can afford it. Azerbaijan did not have, and does not have, its own military industrial complex, even to repair damaged equipment, not to mention the production of such. Azerbaijan is not the UAE, it does not have so much oil, and it must be transported somehow. for the technique that is, it is necessary to train specialists and with this matter it is very bad. even during my service in S.A., the beginning of the 80s, representatives of the Caucasus were not accepted to serve in certain branches of the armed forces with complex technical equipment, as well as in the navy and airborne forces, individual representatives could meet. as well as mainly the construction battalion, security units and centuries. now technology has stepped forward a lot, and despite the attempts of R.F. to teach them everything goes wrong. As for the diasporas, I have already said there would be a desire.
    3. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 3 October 2020 13: 09
      +1
      If the staff officers in Turkey are so stupid, then let them continue to pound. Nenuacho? there are a lot of native soldiers, for what beautiful commercials - how many more bayraktars can suckers rub in, sailors will now buy a couple more pieces
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 3 October 2020 17: 39
        0
        Quote: Florian Geyer
        If the staff officers in Turkey are so stupid, then let them continue to pound

        The operation in Nagorno-Karabakh has much in common with the operation in Afrin.
        There, the Turks also did not immediately manage to bite into a well-organized defense.
        It will be hard for the Armenians to resist, but if they hold out for a couple of months, the war will most likely end in a truce.
  15. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 2 October 2020 18: 50
    0
    How do Azerbaijanis strike Armenian cars? It seems that UAVs are not firing. It seems that they are only holding the scope. In one of the videos (sunset, the earth is not illuminated, but the sun has not set), it was seen that something came from the side at a very high speed. A projectile or a laser-guided missile?
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      2 October 2020 19: 07
      0
      Adjusted for the angle of attack - the so-called "horizon" - it went there.
    2. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 3 October 2020 13: 10
      0
      Artillery guided missiles and missiles Rszo
      1. Falcon5555
        Falcon5555 3 October 2020 19: 14
        0
        It would not be bad for the Armenians to figure out what it is and how it is induced, and to include some kind of interference, leading away or illuminating the warhead of something arriving. It's just a shame to watch. It looks like Lebanon on '82. It would be nice to have radio interference with drones.
  16. Olezhek
    Olezhek 2 October 2020 20: 33
    0
    That is, there is certainly little information, a lot of propaganda, but apparently, Azerbaijan has a certain technical advantage.
    What is the point for them to curtail hostilities?
    Most likely, they will "shoot in full" and try to take everything they can take.
    The whole question is in the resilience of the Armenian defense (readiness for casualties) and the logistics conveyor to Azerbaijan, and when the Azerbaijanis will run out of steam
    So far, no one from the world players has seriously intervened.
    We will see.
    But the Armenians have little chance. Air behind the enemy. Behind the back - Turkey.
    They quarreled with Russia. request
    1. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 3 October 2020 13: 15
      +1
      Neither side has lifted the air yet.
      Armenians have a minimum of victims. In fact, the Turks are driving Azerbaijanis into machine guns and minefields.
      That is, it must be considered - before the Armenians will run out of cartridges or the Azerbaijanis will have soldiers

      If you yourself have seen the battle at least once, then the picture is unambiguous - PPC of the Azeri army
  17. Igor Litvin
    Igor Litvin 2 October 2020 21: 11
    0
    Quote: Malyuta
    Quote: Deck
    Having used up all the ammunition, the pilot decided to ram and in a head-on attack destroyed the last enemy aircraft

    I would also add about an accurate shot from a rocket launcher exactly in the eye of the leader of the unfriendly group. good

    Nooo! The rocket launcher was fired from the ground! From the explosion of the presenter, the debris scattered and successively pierced the tanks of the Turkish F-16s flying one after another. The fire reached Turkey through a sprayed cloud of fuel, from there to Israel where a rocket factory exploded. The Israelis got scared, called America and said that they were attacked by all the Arabs of the world and the DPRK. American anti-aircraft gunners began to smack in all directions with Patriots and shot down Trump's plane. Or Biden. The circumstances are being clarified ...
    1. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 3 October 2020 13: 18
      0
      Seriously, Armenia is such a small Israel and even with its own Holocaust. The Armenian lobby is everywhere, both in the United States and in France and in Rasey the Minister of Foreign Affairs is Armenian.
      So the headquarters of the Turks will get tired of fighting them
  18. shinobi
    shinobi 3 October 2020 03: 59
    0
    That's it, the fighting has run out of steam. Any high-tech war is an extremely costly occupation. In another week or a week and a half, negotiations will begin.
  19. Dron_sk
    Dron_sk 3 October 2020 15: 33
    0
    How do Armenians shoot down drones? and what radars detect them?
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