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Who invented the Ukrainization of Rus

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Motherland (Kiev). 1981


The fate of the "Ukrainians" is truly tragic. Tens of millions of Russian people were christened "Ukrainians" in the interests of ideology and politics without their consent.

Ukrainian problem


Over the decades of the Soviet and "independent" eras, they lost their national identity to varying degrees, becoming people with artificial ethnicity, although they are not "Ukrainians" in terms of language, origin, faith, culture and identity. But they do not recognize themselves as Russians, since for more than a century they have been indoctrinated with the idea of ​​their Ukrainianness.

The Ukrainian problem is of great importance for the fate of the Russian world and people. We are talking about tens of millions of people who became Ivans, who do not remember kinship. They are Russian by birth and at the same time "Ukrainians". Part of the Russian people, which in the 1917th century the ideologists of independence dubbed "Ukrainians". And after XNUMX, this ethnic chimera was politically consolidated by the Bolsheviks-internationalists, officially designating an artificial people in Soviet passports. Several generations of people born in the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR, brought up by an international ideology (about the "fusion of nations" into the Soviet people), are used to being "Ukrainians." Although their ancestors were Russian, they did not lose the Russian language, Russian culture, and faith. For them, Mazepa and Bandera are enemies.

And after complete "independence" in 1991, when the greater Russia (USSR) was dismembered in the interests of the West and its local clientele, the "Russian-speaking", as they were shamefully dubbed, were placed in the position of outcasts and outsiders. This was the root cause of the current turmoil in Ukraine. The independent oligarchic-criminal government started a real war of extermination, started the cultural, linguistic, informational and socio-economic genocide of Russians in Ukraine. So, recently the former head of the Ukrainian government, Mykola Azarov, admitted that during the years of "independence" Ukraine has lost 20 million people. The population of the republic decreased from 52 to 32 million people. About half of them fled abroad in search of work. Millions of people died out due to the collapse of the national economy, the health care system, carried out in the interests of the West (IMF) socio-economic "reforms". This is the result of the policy of self-appointed thieves and thieves: the extinction and poverty of millions of Russian people.

This is a real war to exterminate the Russian people (in this case, its south-western part). It is being conducted in all directions: information and ideological, historical, cultural, political and economic. In fact, since 1991, Russians have been living in an occupied country. The invaders in the form of soldiers are practically absent, but the indigenous "elites" and "creative" intelligentsia do well with the genocide of Russian-Ukrainians. Russian is outlawed, as is Russian (Soviet) история and heroes. All means destroy Russian culture and art. Instead of them, a “sharovarny” surrogate was introduced, full of malice and slander. The scientific, educational, industrial and transport potential of Ukraine (the richest republic of the USSR) has been almost completely destroyed. There are only branches and enterprises that are focused on exporting resources and raw materials abroad. Millions of people have become superfluous, useless to anyone. They were turned into "white slaves" of the European Union. In some respects, the times of Bogdan Khmelnitsky have returned, when they tried to turn the Russians of Little Russia into "slaves" (slaves) of Polish masters. To deprive them of faith, language and history.

Thus, the only way to preserve the southwestern part of the Russian ethnos, as in Khmelnytsky, is immediate reunification with the rest of Russia. Complete denazification, elimination of Ukrainians as an ideological and political instrument of the West's aggression against the Russian world. Return of Russianness to Russian-Ukrainians. A common constructive Russian project aimed at the future.

Project "Ukraine"


It must be remembered that before the First World War (1914), most of the inhabitants of the Little Russian provinces identified themselves as Russians. Galicia was also a stronghold of Russianness (nowadays the camp of neo-Bandera, Nazism). The ethnic composition of these lands has not changed from the time of Ancient Rus until the present day. Princes Svyatoslav and Vladimir, Vladimir Monomakh and Daniil Galitsky, Bogdan Khmelnitsky and the Vishnevetsky princes were Rus-Russians. Until 1697, Russian was the official language of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Nothing has changed in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries.

The Ukrainian project was created by the Polish ruling circles and the Catholic clergy with the aim of colonizing the western and southern Russian lands. Three hundred years of Polish-Catholic domination in western Ukraine of Russia brought its poisoned fruits: the emergence of Uniatism (subordination of a part of the Russian Church to the Vatican), the polonization of the Russian language (the beginning of its transformation into "Ukrmova"), the displacement of Russian education, traditions and customs by Polish ones (Westernization), the polonization of the Russian elite. The clans of the Western Russian princes and boyars - Ostrog, Zaslavsky, Slutsk, Vishnevets, Czartorysky, Pronsky, Ruzhinsky and many others. others, pollinated. The decisive factor in assimilation then was the change of faith (Catholicization), which led to a cultural and political reorientation to the West. Former Russians became Westernizers, severing ties with the Russian world.

However, the Westernization of the West Russian nobility did not lead to the assimilation of the entire people. Although there were losses, especially in the field of culture. The people in Little Russia have not lost their Russianness, preserved their faith, language and traditions. This predetermined the victory in the national liberation war, which was started by Bohdan Khmelnytsky. By the way, the Russian hetman very clearly defined the essence of the war with the Poles: "who want to eradicate the Church of God, so that the Russian name is not remembered in our land."

One of the manifestations of the Polish occupation of South Russia was the emergence of the "Mova". Without Polish domination, there would be no Ukrainian language. Movu is distinguished from the Russian language by the presence of a huge number of polonisms - words borrowed from the Polish language. Therefore, Mova is not an independent language, but the Russian-Polish dialect (dialect). During the occupation, Mova became closer and closer in its vocabulary to Polish. After the reunification of the southern and northern parts of Russia in 1654, the influence of the Polish language ceased and the displacement of Polonisms began under the influence of the common Russian literary language. By the way, the most important role in the creation of a common Russian literary language was played by immigrants from Little Russia: Melety Smotrytsky, Epiphany Slavinetsky, Arseny Satanovsky, Simeon Polotsky, Feofan Prokopovich. Since 1991, the South Russian dialect (Mova) has again undergone Polonization and Westernization. The media literally "created" new Ukrainian words.

Thus, the Little Russian (Ukrainian) language is just one of the dialects, one of the dialects of the Russian language. During the period of feudal fragmentation, Novgorodians, Ryazanians, Smolenskians, Muscovites, etc. had their own differences in language. The Polish ukraine also developed its own dialect.

Ukrainization of Little Russia


As noted above, before the First World War, the overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of Little Russia (including Galicia) considered themselves Russians. The ideology of Ukrainians, created in Poland and supported by the Austro-Hungarian authorities with the aim of preserving the Western Russian regions (Galician, Transcarpathian Rus) as part of the empire, was the lot of an extremely narrow, small group of intelligentsia that had no influence in society. During World War II, the Austrian authorities staged a genocide of Rusyns (Russians), destroying the Russian identity in all their might in the eastern regions of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and in the occupied territory. Ukrainian nationalism was actively supported in order to forever split the West Russian regions from Russia.

The first major wave of Ukrainization took place after the 1917 revolution and the turmoil that began in Russia. Artificial "Ukrainian" regimes (Central Rada, Hetmanate, Directory) tried to organize an attack on the Russian language, culture and history. However, they were limited in time and did not have the appropriate resource. Therefore, everything looked extremely caricatured and did not have any support among the people. Everything was limited to the change of signs in government offices and shops, the expulsion of Russian employees who did not own language.

After the creation of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (Ukrainian SSR) in 1919, the business of Ukrainization went more vigorously. All government agencies were involved. There were even "troikas for Ukrainization" to translate Russians into MOV. Not only were documents, signs and newspapers translated into Newspeak, but it was also forbidden to speak Russian in offices. It came down to outright terror. The rampant Russophobia lasted for about a decade. However, during the period when Stalin seized control of the internationalist revolutionaries and Trotskyists, many rabid Ukrainians set out to cut wood in the camps. Officially, Ukrainization was not abolished, but in fact it began to be phased out by default.

A new wave of Ukrainization began with the German occupation during the Great Patriotic War. Ukrainian Nazis welcomed the Nazis and pinned great hopes on them. Newspapers in Russian were closed again, and only Ukrainian was allowed in institutions and education. Hitler at any cost tried to reduce the number of the Russian people in order to weaken the resistance to the occupation regime as much as possible. Ukrainization has become a very convenient form of cultural, linguistic and national genocide. The more Ukrainians, the fewer Russians. It was necessary not only to crush Russia, but to split the Russian ethnos, to push together parts of the great people. Divide and rule! The Red Army put an end to Hitler's plans and the dreams of the Ukrainian Nazis about an "independent power" under the protectorate of the "Millennial Reich".

Another wave of Ukrainization began under Khrushchev, but it was curtailed under Brezhnev. Without state support, the Ukrainian chimera began to degrade and die. However, the collapse of the Soviet Union made it possible to return to Hitler's plans: to split the Russian people into several parts hostile to each other in order to weaken it and ensure the rule of the new colonialists.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 4 October 2020 15: 05
    +1
    Why did they forget that in 1991 "universal human values" and "Russia's independence" were imposed? Eat.
    1. Boris Afinogenov
      Boris Afinogenov 4 October 2020 15: 56
      +2
      Until the "Ukrainians" in Ukraine find out what it means to be Ukrainian, it will remain unknown. They have their own Ukrainians there: the Westerners, the Little Russians and the Russians.

      We are waiting for these three categories to start tearing up their dupu for the honorary title of ho_kh_la.

      And something tells me that the Westerners will not give the southeast a license for their creation "Ukraine".
    2. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 4 October 2020 16: 45
      +5
      Why did they forget that in 1991 "universal human values" and "Russia's independence" were imposed? Eat

      We don't eat - we eat ... with two spoons ...
    3. Hypertension
      Hypertension 4 October 2020 18: 36
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      Why did they forget that in 1991 "universal human values" and "Russia's independence" were imposed?

      Why were these "values" adopted? Here's the question. How did we fail to recognize the rotten interior of "democracy"? Was there an article on a similar topic on VO? If not, I would like to read. How and why the Soviet people accepted these rules of the game by hook or by crook.
    4. Bar1
      Bar1 5 October 2020 01: 14
      -4
      and not only Ukrainians are Russians in the past, they are Etruscans, Germans, and French, Gauls, Celts, Irish, and many more peoples who became peoples. All of them spoke Russian.
  2. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 4 October 2020 15: 14
    0
    And we also have our own Ukraine, which is called North Macedonia. Uncle Stalin took her from us and gave it to Yugoslavia. And there they invented the language, killed Bulgarians, stole history and so on according to the list. And nothing - we live and do not grieve. And you get used to it. laughing
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 4 October 2020 15: 21
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      Quote: Keyser Soze
      And we also have our own Ukraine, which is called North Macedonia. Uncle Stalin took her from us and gave it to Yugoslavia. And there they invented the language, killed Bulgarians, stole history and so on according to the list. And nothing - we live and do not grieve. And you get used to it.


      Someone who, and the Donbass that rebelled in 2014, definitely does not intend to get used to it ...

      The flags of the DPR and the Russian Federation, raised on flagpoles near the former Regional State Administration, in April 2014, will not be lowered!

      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 4 October 2020 15: 23
        +3
        Someone who, and the Donbass that rebelled in 2014, definitely does not intend to get used to it ...


        Yes, you do not seem to be Ukraine .... I am an adherent of the theory that whose flag is hammered on the same land and whose people live there, that's his land.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 4 October 2020 15: 29
          19
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Yes, you do not seem to be Ukraine ...


          So as not to say - they were Ukraine, "gritting their teeth", but the Maidan coup exceeded all conceivable norms of patience, and the people said - "Basta!" ...
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 October 2020 16: 28
          +8
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          I am an adherent of the theory that whose flag is hammered on the same land and whose people live there, that's his land.

          As Nikolai the First said to Nevelskoy, "Where the Russian flag is raised, there will be Russian territory for centuries."
      2. Boris Afinogenov
        Boris Afinogenov 4 October 2020 15: 37
        +3
        Insurgent, hello.

        I often see you on the pages of VO. You often say that Donbass is for Russia, that Donbass is Russia and its inhabitants are Russians.

        But somehow I do not notice this. Especially among young people. After 7 years, many consider themselves Ukrainians. What is it like? Ukrainians, but others? You have already decided who you are: Russians or Ukrainians. There will be no golden mean. There is no longer that Ukraine until 2013.

        Do not think that this is some kind of "present" to you, but you are clearly wishful thinking.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 4 October 2020 15: 54
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          Quote: Boris Afinogenov
          Insurgent, hello.

          Similarly yes
          Quote: Boris Afinogenov
          You often say that Donbass is for Russia, that Donbass is Russia and its inhabitants are Russians.

          As part of the Russian Federation (specially checked), in addition to ethnic Russian, there are 193 more nationalities (not including the " Other "accounting for 0,03% of the population) ...
          And they are all RUSSIAN ...
          Quote: Boris Afinogenov
          After 7 years, many consider themselves Ukrainians. What is it like? Ukrainians, but others? You have already decided who you are: Russians or Ukrainians. There will be no golden mean. There is no longer that Ukraine until 2013.

          It is true that some people are nostalgic (and no more) about the "pre-Maid Ukraine", which is natural as a "phantom pain" for the lost stability.

          Determine with nationality ? What for belay ? I have a record in the "metric" (birth certificate) that my nationality "Ukrainian"did not prevent me from being Russian in spirit ...

          In fact, the people around me in the USSR, this "shameful fact of my biography wassat "did not harm or interfere in any way.

          Here's a national demographic alignment.
          1. Serval
            Serval 4 October 2020 16: 10
            +8
            A Ukrainian is the same nationality as a Siberian, an American .. and so on.
            That is, it's just a geographic location (by place of residence) ..
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 4 October 2020 16: 22
              0
              Quote: SerVal
              A Ukrainian is the same nationality as a Siberian, an American .. and so on.
              That is, it's just a geographic location (by place of residence) ..


              Not entirely correct statement ...

              Census data of the Russian Federation.



              Obviously, during its conduct, the respondents were not in any way forced to identify by nationality, and the data was recorded from their words ...
            2. Reviews
              Reviews 4 October 2020 16: 24
              +1
              Quote: SerVal
              A Ukrainian is the same nationality as a Siberian, an American .. and so on.
              That is, it's just a geographic location (by place of residence) ..

              You are now on a soooo callus, a soooo heavy boot! .. :))) If local svidomites do not break into ribbons out of anger, then they do not call me Sergei. :)
            3. ammunition
              ammunition 4 October 2020 18: 51
              -1
              Quote: SerVal
              A Ukrainian is the same nationality as a Siberian, an American .. and so on.
              That is, it is simply a geographic location (by place of residence).

              good + 100500 good
            4. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 4 October 2020 20: 09
              +3
              Quote: SerVal
              A Ukrainian is the same nationality as a Siberian, an American .. and so on.
              That is, it's just a geographic location (by place of residence) ..
              I will complement your thought
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 4 October 2020 23: 00
                +2
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                I will complement your thought

                There is no such nationality - American request... There is a state, citizenship (by the way, in English it is Nationality), but nationality, as an ethnic group, is not. Even after many generations, everyone here remembers that they are Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews, and further down the list. And in marriages they stick to their roots. Well, maybe among the Anglo-Saxons there are those who consider themselves an American apart from their Anglo-Saxon roots, but I personally have not met such people. Although there are practically no Anglo-Saxons left on the coasts, and in Central America I have been only a couple of times, and then passing, and so more and more by flight. Negroes generally consider themselves Americans in the second place, and in the first place as Africans: African-American. In addition, the Mexicans are striving, even trying to introduce the term Mexican-American into circulation.
                The ethnogenesis of the American nation began, moreover, it was centered in the South, where planters, freed from the daily care of their daily bread, could start creating a separate original culture, but these shoots were trampled in the civil war, and never rose again.
                But the concept of "Motherland" and patriotism exist. The flags are hung out and they go to military service voluntarily, and not on conscription.
              2. BAI
                BAI 5 October 2020 09: 58
                +1
                I will complement your thought

                I will also add - Australian (white).
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          3. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 4 October 2020 16: 31
            +1
            Quote: Insurgent
            Actually, this "shameful fact of my biography" did not harm or interfere with the people around me in the USSR either.
            That's right, well done.
        2. nnm
          nnm 4 October 2020 15: 54
          +4
          What confuses you about this? My friends from Donetsk consider themselves to be Ukrainians by nationality, but for many years in Sparta and Somalia they are fighting against modern Ukraine and want to see the LDNR as part of Russia.
          You just initially took the wrong fulcrum, believing that the Ukrainian is the image that looks like a Nazi with a torch, banned, anti-Russian, etc.
          But initially, this is not true. Yes, propaganda in Ukraine is doing its job, but it is not worth identifying the entire nation with anti-Russian sentiments.
          The essence of the conflict in Ukraine, fueled by the West, is to turn normal people into zombies, opposed to everything Russian.
          1. Boris Afinogenov
            Boris Afinogenov 4 October 2020 16: 04
            -4
            What does it mean to be Ukrainian? Do your friends somehow use "Ukrainians"? Language, for example.
            They'd better go to Ternopil and find out who a Ukrainian is. And who the locals think your friends are.

            We took a "Ukrainian" from the zapadenshchina and are at war with them. Logics.
            1. nnm
              nnm 4 October 2020 16: 10
              +3
              Oh, how ... that is, in western Ternopil they will teach others what it means to be a fair Ukrainian, right? Why on earth, actually? And if someone sees the Ukrainians differently? Friendship trains, a crematorium in Odessa and neo-Nazi Azovs, right?
              1. Boris Afinogenov
                Boris Afinogenov 4 October 2020 16: 22
                0
                And where did "ukrainstvo" come from? From Donetsk or Kharkov?

                This is your problem - you use someone else's ideology. Tearing one place for yourself for something that doesn't belong to you.

                I repeat: in Ukraine, Russians, Westerners and Little Russians need to find out who a Ukrainian is. And then you have it something. too different for everyone.
                1. nnm
                  nnm 4 October 2020 16: 33
                  +2
                  Oh, what conversations have gone!
                  Quote: Boris Afinogenov
                  I repeat: in Ukraine, Russians, Westerners and Little Russians need to find out who a Ukrainian is.

                  Do you suggest measuring the skull again? Well, or the width of the trousers, the length of the forelocks? Or by the one who will sing the anthem louder? Or how do you see the evaluation criteria?
                  Quote: Boris Afinogenov
                  And then you have it something. too different for everyone.

                  Should everyone have the same opinion on this matter? Something like, one nation, one people, one Bandera, right?
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 4 October 2020 16: 11
              +7
              Quote: Boris Afinogenov
              They'd better go to Ternopil and find out who a Ukrainian is.

              It would be much more correct to Ukrainian from Ternopil was sitting at home, and did not meddle in Donbass ...
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 4 October 2020 17: 43
                +1
                Quote: Insurgent

                It would be much more correct for a Ukrainian from Ternopil to sit at home and not meddle in Donbass ...

                And not only to Donbass, but also to Poltava, Kiev, Zaporozhye, Kharkov .....
              2. Avior
                Avior 4 October 2020 23: 26
                -4
                Uh-huh. Only here Azov is not from Ternopil, but from Donbass in the first place. Mariupol. How about this?
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 5 October 2020 07: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: Avior
                  Uh-huh. Only here Azov is not from Ternopil, but from Donbass in the first place. Mariupol. How about this?

                  In the family, not without ... I hope this is clear ...
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 5 October 2020 08: 17
                    -5
                    Uh-huh. Shakhtersk, Tornado, Donbass ...
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 5 October 2020 08: 39
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      Uh-huh. Shakhtersk, Tornado, Donbass ...

                      You gloat Avior , like a professionally-stoned skakuas, while periodically deliberately emphasizing that you are "Russian" ...

                      You simply do not know that I live in the town of Torez, in fact, on the freaks from the criminal environment of which, as on the backbone, the gangs you indicated were formed, and it is useless to "treat" me in the way you are trying to do it.



                      The division into those who fight for a just cause and scum happened in 2014, and time has confirmed that there are scoundrels.

                      https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/5078900/post356650483
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 5 October 2020 08: 54
                        -5
                        yeah. On this occasion, which you know perfectly well that the composition of the most odious natsbats is your fellow countrymen, you are talking about Ukrainians from Ternopil.
                        hi
                      2. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 5 October 2020 09: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Avior
                        yeah. On this occasion, that you know perfectly well that the composition of the most odious natsbats is your fellow countrymen

                        Are you distorting the facts, how do you want it?
                        The "composition" about which you are talking only was based on the backbone of those who came from "our" criminal environment.
                        And no matter how you would like to imagine the "mass character" of these bandit formations, determined precisely by the presence of an overwhelming number of Torez and miners, I declare - the bulk of the militants poured into "Tornado" and "Shakhtersk" from other regions of the former Ukraine.

                        Quote: Avior
                        you are talking about Ukrainians from Ternopil.


                        I am not telling, but responding to the comment:

                        Quote: Boris Afinogenov
                        They'd better go to Ternopil and find out who a Ukrainian is. And who the locals think your friends are.
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 5 October 2020 09: 17
                        -6
                        and would have written, the basis of the most odious formations were your fellow countrymen. After all, most do not know who set the trend there.
                        hi
                      4. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 5 October 2020 09: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: Avior
                        and would have written, the basis of the most odious formations were your fellow countrymen.


                        Obviously, you are either frankly stubborn, or you have difficulties with the perception of printed text (quote below) ...
                        At the same time, both are alarming symptoms. yes .

                        Quote: Insurgent
                        on the freaks from the criminal environment of which, as on the backbone, the gangs you indicated were formed
                      5. Avior
                        Avior 5 October 2020 09: 33
                        -2
                        you are fixated on obstinacy.
                        well, I will not interfere.
                        hi
                      6. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 5 October 2020 09: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        you are fixated on obstinacy.

                        Do not give a reason to talk about it, demonstrating it over and over again ...
                      7. Avior
                        Avior 5 October 2020 09: 50
                        -3
                        Yes, give it to you, don't give it - there is no difference ...
                      8. Avior
                        Avior 5 October 2020 10: 04
                        -1
                        oh, your usual group of minusers reached out.
                        Oh well....
                      9. Avior
                        Avior 5 October 2020 10: 04
                        -1
                        oh, your usual group of minusers reached out.
                        Oh well....
  • Kronos
    Kronos 4 October 2020 16: 26
    -1
    Ukrainians are just a nation like others no more.
    1. maktub
      maktub 4 October 2020 22: 10
      -2
      Article other states
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 5 October 2020 09: 58
        -5
        The article is a set of stereotypes and misconceptions.
  • ammunition
    ammunition 4 October 2020 18: 49
    0
    Quote: Boris Afinogenov
    After 7 years, many consider themselves Ukrainians.

    Boris.
    So I considered and still consider myself a Ural. I was born and raised in the Urals.
    Don't you like it?
  • businessv
    businessv 4 October 2020 20: 19
    -2
    Quote: Boris Afinogenov
    Donbass is Russia and its inhabitants are Russians.
    But somehow I do not notice this.
    And how do you yourself, that you can notice what is happening in the Donbass? Forgive me for interfering in your dialogue with a gentle appeal to an unfamiliar, as I understand it, person, to "you". And if you are not aware, then the "Ukrainization" described in the article really took place after the creation of the Ukrainian SSR, and also, if you are not aware, then Ukraine itself within its present borders appeared only as part of the USSR, before that it was simply called: Little Russia , which meant the lands of the Volyn, Kiev, Podolsk, Kharkov, Poltava and Chernigov provinces of Russia. Look at the map and then ask a question about nationality to people from the southeast of the current Square.
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 4 October 2020 16: 05
    0
    More northern dobrudja
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 4 October 2020 16: 09
      +2
      More northern dobrudja


      Well, and a lot more, but if the population there no longer considers themselves to be Bulgarians, then there is nothing to rove about. We need to build a country for ourselves and maintain friendship with our neighbors. Enough wars.
  • stalki
    stalki 4 October 2020 16: 43
    -4
    And we also have our own Ukraine, which is called North Macedonia. Uncle Stalin took her from us and gave it to Yugoslavia. And there they invented the language, killed Bulgarians, stole history and so on according to the list. And nothing - we live and do not grieve. And you get used to it.
    Why get used to the fact that we are Russian? This is how we position ourselves to the whole world. And let the world not get ridiculous and again get used to the fact that we are, have always been and always will be. We remember and honor our history, so we have a future. And those like you have a questionable future. And unlike you, my future is not funny to me, even as a banter. I sympathize.
  • credo
    credo 4 October 2020 16: 44
    -6
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    And we also have our own Ukraine, which is called North Macedonia. Uncle Stalin took her from us and gave it to Yugoslavia. And there they invented the language, killed Bulgarians, stole history and so on according to the list. And nothing - we live and do not grieve. And you get used to it. laughing

    You seem to have lost your memory or are simply concerned about the spread of local flood on the fields of the Internet.
    Have you forgotten on whose side Bulgaria was in the two world wars and is now tied to the role of "What you please"? So we can remind you.
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 4 October 2020 16: 53
    -3
    And nothing - we live and do not grieve. And you get used to it.

    You see my dear one. It’s you who live and don’t grieve, but the Russians have such a concept "to return their own."
    Perhaps, after a while, the vision of the country's leadership will be inclined to believe that this is not entirely correct when the mraz "she is trying to spread rot on the Russian-speaking population or Russians living 10 miles away abroad 2" of the nasty neighboring state. Suddenly, everything starts to move and within a couple of weeks the Russian land will grow with its own lands transferred by the dumb rulers.
    And you will get used to it, as you always did ... You are like that ...
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 4 October 2020 20: 08
      +1
      What about northern Kazakhstan?
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 4 October 2020 20: 12
        -6
        What about northern Kazakhstan?

        Are there problems for the Russian-speaking population, or for the ethnic Russians?
        1. Avior
          Avior 5 October 2020 09: 32
          +2
          What else.
          At the time of the collapse of the Union, there were 6,2 million Russians in Kazakhstan (about 40 percent of the population), now there are 3,5 million (about 20 percent of the population).
          Gradually, old people are left with nowhere to go.
          1. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 5 October 2020 09: 54
            0
            What else.
            At the time of the collapse of the Union, there were 6,2 million Russians in Kazakhstan (about 40 percent of the population), now there are 3,5 million (about 20 percent of the population).
            Gradually, old people are left with nowhere to go.


            People make a decision and leave. Whoever wants to live there lives. Old people, just in case, for the most part and inside the country do not really move around. And they live where they lived most of ...
            1. Avior
              Avior 5 October 2020 09: 56
              0
              That's why they make a decision.
              I knew two families from Kazakhstan.
              They were squeezed out and were not allowed to sell their apartments and take out things, back in the 90s.
              1. Interlocutor
                Interlocutor 5 October 2020 09: 58
                0
                We are talking about today.
                For a moment, the 90s were 30 years ago.
                I know the 90s sooooo well. Well, it's so good that "I can't eat"
                1. Avior
                  Avior 5 October 2020 09: 59
                  +1
                  And today, I wrote how the composition of Russians in Kazakhstan has changed. It has halved.
                  1. Interlocutor
                    Interlocutor 5 October 2020 10: 00
                    0
                    And today, I wrote how the composition of Russians in Kazakhstan has changed. It has halved.

                    And let it decrease ... This is Kazakhstan and not Russia.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 5 October 2020 10: 05
                      0
                      So I wrote about the same thing.
  • Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 5 October 2020 00: 08
    0
    Let's not get used to it. We are not one of the many EU members, we are tongue
  • Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 4 October 2020 15: 22
    +5
    Ukrainization, Belarusization was invented in order to divide the Russians.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 4 October 2020 15: 56
      -4
      Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Ukrainization, Belarusization was invented in order to divide the Russians.


      The cretins were only divided ("divorced") ...
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 4 October 2020 16: 03
        +1
        Who are you talking about now ???
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 4 October 2020 16: 04
          +2
          Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Who are you talking about now ???

          About those who have forgotten about common roots.
    2. Reviews
      Reviews 4 October 2020 16: 32
      +3
      Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
      Ukrainization, Belarusization was invented in order to divide the Russians.

      No matter how much he communicated with the Belarusians, the national question never came up. Maybe they do not consider themselves Russian, but they do not emphasize their "Belarusianness" either. Moreover, not only people 30-40, but also young people 20-25.
  • Boris Afinogenov
    Boris Afinogenov 4 October 2020 15: 23
    0
    The paradox: "Reds" are hated in Ukraine - in a state that owes them this very independence. And they are respected in Russia - a country from which territories and people were taken.

    Say what you don’t say, but if you won the civilian "white", there would be no Ukraine. Provinces, regions, but no independence.

    If at least the Russians were not hammered into their heads with "suffering in Ukraine", then even now no one would even think that he is a Ukrainian, because he simply lives in Ukraine.

    And what, in fact, prevented the "Ukrainophobe" Stalin from liquidating the Ukrainian SSR and bringing at least the Russian southeast to Russia - to his Big Motherland? To this "tyrant" such an action is like two fingers on the asphalt. Unlimited power. Yes, ho-x-ly?

    Every "Svidomo" who hates the party of Lenin and Stalin should know to whom he owes the existence of his "nenka".
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 4 October 2020 20: 01
      +1
      Quote: Boris Afinogenov
      Say what you don’t say, but if you won the civilian "white", there would be no Ukraine. Provinces, regions, but no independence.

      A very controversial statement. Whites, unlike reds, had a different view of the state structure of Russia in case of victory. From the restoration of the monarchy to democracy and a constituent assembly. From empire to confederation. Moreover, the Verkhovna Rada was recognized by the Provisional Government. The Bolsheviks can be blamed a lot for their national policies, but the real problems began after the fall of the communist system.
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 4 October 2020 21: 31
        0
        Quote: Karabin
        In addition, the Verkhovna Rada was recognized by the Provisional Government

        Central Rada
        She was recognized by the Bolsheviks because the positions were the same.
        The Provisional Government, which stood on the principle of the indivisibility of the Russian state and was striving to preserve its integrity until the convocation of the Constituent Assembly, was unable to develop a clear attitude to the demands of the Central Rada, which was inclined to be viewed only as a public organization, but not as an authorized governing body of the region, while by its own inaction or encouraging orders, it confirmed the claims of the Rada for such management, adding to the latter signs of legitimacy. The Provisional Government took a wait-and-see attitude regarding the issue of Ukrainian autonomy, which did not contribute to the resolution of contradictions requiring immediate action.
        Having begun mutual relations in March 1917 with blissful declarations of mutual understanding and readiness for dialogue, relations between the central government and the Ukrainian Central Rada, having gone through a series of rapprochements and chills, ended in October 1917 with a complete rupture, when, after the Bolshevik uprising against the Provisional Government, the Rada did not supported the latter and its structures in Ukraine, taking a neutral or even hostile position towards them, going to cooperate with the Soviets
        So the Provisional Government turned out to be the enemy of both the Central Rada and the Bolsheviks. So the union of the latter was a foregone conclusion.
  • tatra
    tatra 4 October 2020 15: 25
    -2
    Neither under the Romanovs, nor under Soviet rule, did anyone succeed in playing off the Russian and Ukrainian peoples. Only the enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR succeeded in doing this. And the myth of the "Holodomor", which is part of the ideology of the Russian and Ukrainian enemies of the communists, is not only anti-Soviet, but also Russophobic.
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 4 October 2020 15: 32
      0
      Where did the Ukrainians come from if, before the revolution in Ukraine, almost the entire population called themselves Russians or Russians?
      1. tatra
        tatra 4 October 2020 15: 43
        -3
        There were no Russians or Russians before the October Revolution officially. How tired of this eternal cowardice of the enemies of the communists, the fear of the slightest responsibility for what you have done.
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 4 October 2020 15: 46
          -6
          Bullshit. Read the articles, study the question about the Ukrainization begun by Stalin.
          1. tatra
            tatra 4 October 2020 15: 50
            -3
            If you are not able to refute my words, then walk by, I don't need your rudeness.
            1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
              Nikolay Ivanov_5 4 October 2020 15: 51
              +3
              The term "Ukrainization" was proposed in 1907 by Mikhail Hrushevsky [6]. In Soviet Russia, ukrainization was initially viewed as a natural historical process. Joseph Stalin believed that Russian-speaking cities surrounded by Ukrainian-speaking villages were doomed to Ukrainization. In his speech at the X Congress of the RCP (b) in 1921, he declared: “You cannot go against history. It is clear that if Russian elements still predominate in the cities of Ukraine, then over time these cities will inevitably be Ukrainianized. About 40 years ago Riga was a German city. But since cities grow at the expense of villages, and the village is the guardian of nationality, now Riga is a purely Latvian city. About 50 years ago, all the cities of Hungary had a German character, now they are Magyarized. The same can be said about those cities of Ukraine that are Russian in character and which will be Ukrainianized, because cities are growing at the expense of the countryside. The village is the keeper of the Ukrainian language, and it will enter all Ukrainian cities as a dominant element ”[7].


              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Украинизация
              1. tatra
                tatra 4 October 2020 16: 04
                -1
                The census of the population of the Russian Empire (1897) established that in total there are about 125,64 million people in the country, of which 55,6 million consider Russian as their language, and 22 million of Little Russian. Do you want to say that these 22 million people Little Russian, were they Russian? That is why the enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists will continue to pit the Russian and Ukrainian peoples against each other, because you are not capable of solving problems, but simply honestly and objectively discuss them. You just need to cowardly shift the blame for the problems on those who were 40-100 years ago.
                1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                  Nikolay Ivanov_5 4 October 2020 16: 08
                  0
                  How many years ago did Ukrainians appear?


                  https://politichanka.livejournal.com/181144.html
                  1. tatra
                    tatra 4 October 2020 16: 11
                    -1
                    What are you angry against? Against the fact that the Bolsheviks officially called the Little Russians Ukrainians, and the Great Russians Russians?
                    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                      Nikolay Ivanov_5 4 October 2020 16: 12
                      +3
                      I mean that in the end this policy led to the separation of one people.
                      1. tatra
                        tatra 4 October 2020 16: 14
                        -3
                        Stop faking history. There was no official single Russian people in the Russian Empire.
                      2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                        Nikolay Ivanov_5 4 October 2020 16: 16
                        +1
                        Definitely, I am not falsifying history.
                2. Vadim_888
                  Vadim_888 4 October 2020 20: 34
                  -1
                  ... How many years ago did the Ukrainians appear?
                  The Ukrainian nation was born at the time of Ukraine's loss of Crimea, the Unnamed managed to do what western Ukraine has long dreamed of
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 4 October 2020 21: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim_888
                    Ukrainian nation

                    was never born, and Ukraine as a state ceased to exist after the Maidan.
                  2. ANB
                    ANB 4 October 2020 23: 51
                    +2
                    And Donbass? And after Odessa? The nation is good.
      2. Gato
        Gato 4 October 2020 16: 10
        +2
        There were no Russians or Russians before the October Revolution officially

        In RI there were completely official terms used, incl. when titling the king: Great, Small and White Russia.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 4 October 2020 16: 35
          +3
          Quote: Gato
          official terms used incl. when titling the king: Great, Small and White Russia.

          The full title of the emperor at the beginning of the 37th century (Article XNUMX of the main Zak.):
          “By God's mercy, We, NN, Emperor and Self-rector of the All-Russian, Moscow, Kiev, Vladimirsk, Novgorod; Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan, Tsar of Poland, Tsar of Siberia, Tsar of Khersonis of Taurida, Tsar of Gruzinski; Sovereign Pskov and Great Prince Smolensk, Litovsk, Volyn, Podolsk and Finland; Prince of Estonia, Livonian, Kurland and Semigalsky, Samogitsky, Bulostoksky, Korelsky, Tversky, Yugorsk, Perm, Vyatsky, Bulgarian and others; The Sovereign and Grand Prince of Novgorod in the lower lands, Chernigov, Ryazansk, Polotsk, Rostov, Yaroslavsk, Bulozersk, Udorsk, Obdorsk, Vitebsk and Imen lands and all the lands of the country Cherkassky and Gorsky princes and other heirs to the Sovereign and Possessor; Sovereign Turkestanskiy, Naslednik Norwegian, Herzog Schleswig-Golstinskiy, Stormarnskiy, Ditmarsenskiy and Oldenburgskiy, and so on, and so on. ”
          1. Gato
            Gato 4 October 2020 17: 38
            0
            and so on, and on, and on

            This is the most interesting laughing
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 4 October 2020 17: 44
              -1
              Quote: Gato
              and so on, and on, and on

              This is the most interesting laughing

              It's quite official. And no "Little Russia".
    2. Serval
      Serval 4 October 2020 16: 06
      -5
      /// Where did the Ukrainians come from? ///
      A Ukrainian is a Russian who has become obsessed.
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 4 October 2020 20: 12
        -3
        Read Lermontov, he also mentions the Malloros about Taman, in Taman there is a Little Russia hut where he spent the night ...
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 4 October 2020 21: 28
          +6
          Quote: Vadim_888
          he has a mention of the Malloros about Taman, in Taman there is a Maloros hut where he spent the night

          Where are the Ukrainians?
          1. maktub
            maktub 4 October 2020 22: 21
            -1
            It's not about terms and names
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 5 October 2020 19: 55
              +1
              Quote: maktub
              It's not about terms and names

              That is, there were no Ukrainians, but there were just Russians.
              1. maktub
                maktub 5 October 2020 20: 15
                -1
                You used to call us Little Russians, we are Slavs, but who these Russians are is still not clear
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 5 October 2020 21: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: maktub
                  You used to call us Little Russians

                  That is, no Ukrainians, but just residents of Little Russia.
    3. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 4 October 2020 21: 36
      +2
      Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
      if before the revolution in Ukraine, almost the entire population called themselves Russians or Russians?

      rather Orthodox.
      And people also called themselves by job title, parentage.
      "Rusky" and "Russian" sounded extremely rare.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 4 October 2020 15: 38
    -3
    Quote: tatra
    Neither under the Romanovs, nor under Soviet rule, did anyone succeed in playing off the Russian and Ukrainian peoples. Only the enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR succeeded in doing this.

    Have you tried to read the article? It clearly and unequivocally says that if it were not for your beloved communists, there would be no Ukrainian people at all.
    1. tatra
      tatra 4 October 2020 15: 41
      +1
      Well, yes, the communists are to blame for officially calling the Little Russians Ukrainians, and the Great Russians, Russians, and you are the enemies of the Communists, during the Civil War and after your capture of the USSR, who created your separate states, as always, "have nothing to do with it."
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 4 October 2020 17: 02
        0
        Quote: tatra
        Well yes, the communists are to blame for

        created Ukraine.
        You haven't read the article after all.
  • Boris Afinogenov
    Boris Afinogenov 4 October 2020 15: 50
    -5
    Divided the Russian people as races communists. The Bolsheviks, if you like.

    Already in the USSR "a maskal came to eat our Ukrainian borsch".

    Plus, on top of them more territories were poured. And Russian people to boot.

    They did a brave deed, but they put a face on themselves.
    1. tatra
      tatra 4 October 2020 15: 52
      -3
      Submit proof that the name Russian people OFFICIALLY existed in the Russian Empire.
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 4 October 2020 16: 14
        -1
        Go to the library, dear, a book by Mikhail Zabylin or Zabelin Superstitions, customs of the Russian people, well, or not look at it, read it, you will learn a lot
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 4 October 2020 16: 07
    0
    Well, yes, there was no famine in the Volga region for you?
    1. tatra
      tatra 4 October 2020 16: 17
      -1
      In YOUR opinion, the enemies of the Bolshevik communists, there was no famine in the Russian Empire. None of you even portrayed philanthropy for the starving and starving people in Ingushetia. NO benefit.
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 4 October 2020 21: 05
        0
        Artificially caused, there were definitely no 200 years, there were crop failures, but definitely not because of politics
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 4 October 2020 16: 12
    -3
    Quote: tatra
    And the myth of the "Holodomor"

    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 October 2020 18: 06
      -1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Quote: tatra
      And the myth of the "Holodomor"


      This is certainly a victim of the "Holodomor"
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    2. Avior
      Avior 5 October 2020 09: 47
      -2
      Now you know what people with diabetes look like.
      Insidious disease. Not a reason for ridicule.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 4 October 2020 16: 39
    +3
    Quote: tatra
    Neither under the Romanovs, nor under Soviet rule, did anyone succeed in playing off the Russian and Ukrainian peoples.

    I didn’t know that there were Ukrainians under the Romanovs. Maybe I'm wrong, but the inhabitants of Little Russia were called differently.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 October 2020 17: 48
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      I didn’t know that there were Ukrainians under the Romanovs. Maybe I'm wrong, but the inhabitants of Little Russia were called differently.

      You're right. There were Little Russians. Another T.G. Shevchenko wrote in his biography that he was a Little Russian.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 October 2020 18: 10
        -2
        Quote: Egoza
        There were Little Russians. Another T.G. Shevchenko wrote in his biography that he was a Little Russian.

        You do not speak out loud about this, otherwise the Nazis will hear and demolish the monument to Kobzar in Kueva.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 4 October 2020 15: 27
    +2
    Well, Azarov still generously said - 32 million. According to some sources, already 26 million. And whatever you say, but one way or another, but the Russian language will make its way. As for the understanding that you are Russian, it is for sure that several generations must pass, but it will be so when the "state of Ukraine" disappears from the world map.
    1. tatra
      tatra 4 October 2020 16: 09
      0
      Yes, the enemies of the communists, who seized the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, equally began to destroy not only the Soviet, but also the Russian, and to instill foreignism and false, slanderous, cowardly anti-Sovietism. And they have the same anti-Soviet myths. And the Russian enemies of the communists about the pre-revolutionary period have only the rule of the last Russian monarch, falsified by them, while the Ukrainian ones have delusional Russophobic myths.
    2. Gato
      Gato 4 October 2020 16: 16
      0
      several generations must pass

      Come on, Western ideological sabotage lasts less than 20 years without much success. All this foam will disappear in a couple of years
      when the "state of Ukraine" disappears from the map
      , one has only to change the government and stop feeding it financially.
    3. Shiden
      Shiden 4 October 2020 16: 37
      +6
      It will not break through, you probably do not live in Ukraine and do not notice that more and more people are starting to speak Ukrainian.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 4 October 2020 16: 46
        -2
        Quote: Shiden
        more people are starting to speak Ukrainian.

        Aha! From under the stick they say. if there are no Natsiks and strongly stoned ones nearby. What did it come to ...
        The language problem in Ukraine can be solved by introducing a mixture of Ukrainian and Russian languages ​​as the state language, said Oleg Tsarev, the People's Deputy from the Party of Regions.

        "It would be right in order to get away from the language problem in Ukraine, choose the language spoken by the majority of the population and make it the state language. In Ukraine, it is a surzhik. And two dialects (Russian and Ukrainian) from surzhik are also approved at the state level." , - suggested the deputy.

        The politician also expressed regret that his political force did not fulfill some of its pre-election promises, in particular, in the Russian language.

        Tsarev noted that he did not believe that the granting of state status to the Russian language could split the Ukrainian society. He assured that even some opposition representatives are ready to vote for this decision.
        1. Shiden
          Shiden 4 October 2020 18: 17
          +3
          Yes, to what the propaganda has reached, people believe TV more than their minds. Since I am a resident of Ukraine, it does not matter to me how they communicate with me in Russian or in Ukrainian, I equally understand what they want to say to me. And these nonsense like the Ukrainian language were created in the General Staff of Avsro- Hungary is believed by people who do not even know history. Kotlyarevsky wrote "Aeneid" and "Natalka Poltavka" when there was no Austria-Hungary as such.
          1. Alevil
            Alevil 5 October 2020 04: 09
            +2
            The Ukrainian language is really artificial. Alexander Shirokorad's book "Ukraine - Confrontation of Regions" describes perfectly how it was created. It was created by Grushevsky and a bunch of similar ones. Even some Ukrainians at the beginning of the 20th century (Nechuy-Levitsky) were shocked by the abundance of new words and polonisms in the "Ukrainian language". Some common Russian words in the "Ukrainian language" were deliberately replaced with Polonisms in order to make it less similar to Russian.
            1. Avior
              Avior 5 October 2020 10: 32
              -2
              The first written work in the Ukrainian language is considered to be Aeneid Kotlyarevsky.
              This is the 18th century.
              At that time, not only Hrushevsky himself had not yet been born, but even his grandfather.
              1. Alevil
                Alevil 5 October 2020 11: 00
                +4
                Kotlyarevsky's Aeneid was written in the Little Russian dialect of the Russian language. I fully understood what was written there. Unlike nonsense in Galician ... And this work can hardly be considered a great work. It is rather a joke of a local nobleman over the common language.
      2. ANB
        ANB 4 October 2020 23: 54
        +2
        https://ria.ru/20201004/pensii-1578187474.html
        First, pensions will be canceled in Ukraine, then, slowly, and the state.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 4 October 2020 15: 37
    +2
    The ideology of Ukrainians, created in Poland and supported by the Austro-Hungarian authorities with the aim of preserving the Western Russian regions (Galician, Transcarpathian Rus) as part of the empire, was the lot of an extremely narrow, small group of intelligentsia that had no influence in society.

    "The worst enemy of the Russian people has always been the Russian intellectual."
    In the USSR, by the way, too.
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 4 October 2020 16: 19
      0
      . .

      "The worst enemy of the Russian people has always been the Russian intellectual."
      In the USSR, by the way, too.
      Well, yes, but did the mechanic VM Polesov build weapons and rockets for you?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 4 October 2020 17: 04
        -1
        Quote: Vadim_888
        Well yes, and weapons and missiles

        “Well, what an intellectual I am - I have a profession, and I love my Motherland!”
        (L. Gumilev)
        I have a higher education (engineer), but I am not an intellectual.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 October 2020 18: 14
        -1
        Quote: Vadim_888
        Well, yes, but did the mechanic VM Polesov build weapons and rockets for you?

        Maybe a locksmith, maybe another, but certainly not an intellectual.
        1. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 4 October 2020 20: 19
          0
          Visit the Korolyov House Museum in Moscow, the Tsialkovsky Museum House in Kaluga, find out who Fedorov is - it's all entirely technical intelligentsia
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 5 October 2020 08: 08
            +1
            Quote: Vadim_888
            find out who Fedorov is - it's all entirely technical intelligentsia

            You do not compare "talkers and balabolov" with designers and technical geniuses.
            1. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 5 October 2020 11: 20
              0
              And you ask people who are really developing something, to whom do they refer themselves?
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 5 October 2020 11: 47
                +2
                Quote: Vadim_888
                And you ask people who are really developing something, to whom do they refer themselves?

                Yes, I had to, and now I have to communicate, but all technical people do not want to call themselves "intellectuals", do not want to be Guzmans.
                1. Vadim_888
                  Vadim_888 7 October 2020 09: 10
                  0
                  .
                  Yes, I had to, and now I have to communicate, but all technical people do not want to call themselves "intellectuals", do not want to be Guzmans

                  Well, it means it's time to explain who the intellectuals are, otherwise you have a mess in your head because of the substitution of concepts ...
                  So, an intellectual is a person ATTENTION who has intelligence, which implies a high level of education and a high level of culture, that is, knowledge of subjects that require a long time to study (higher mathematics, physics, chemistry, astronomy, history), knowledge of foreign languages, which is necessary in scientific activity since without studying the experience of neighbors, progress always slows down. I hope you do not need to remind me that under the USSR, intelligence stole not only military secrets but advanced technical developments.
                  So belonging to the intelligentsia does not mean the surname "Guzman"
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 7 October 2020 09: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim_888
                    Well, it means it's time to explain who the intellectuals are, otherwise you have a mess in your head because of the substitution of concepts.

                    Thank you, but I have my own opinion on this matter, which is similar to the opinion of J.V. Stalin.
                    From Stalin's conversation with Feuchtwanger
                    "The intelligentsia is a serving element, not a social class. It itself does not produce anything, does not occupy an independent place in the production process. There is an intelligentsia in factories and factories — it serves the capitalists. There is an intelligentsia in economies and estates — it serves the landowners. As soon as the intelligentsia begins to trick - it is replaced by others. There is a group of the intelligentsia that is not connected with production, such as writers, cultural workers. They imagine themselves to be the "salt of the earth", a commanding force standing above social classes. "

                    This is a normal explanation of the "intelligentsia", and I, too, am not at the age to believe the nonsense of democrats and liberals, sorry that I answered sharply.
                    1. Vadim_888
                      Vadim_888 13 October 2020 17: 21
                      0
                      ... "The intelligentsia is a serving element, not a social class. It itself does not produce anything, does not occupy an independent place in the production process. There is an intelligentsia in factories and factories — it serves the capitalists. The intelligentsia is in economies and estates — it serves the landlords. As soon as the intelligentsia begins to trick - it is replaced by others. There is a group of the intelligentsia that is not connected with production, like writers, cultural workers. They think of themselves as the "salt of the earth," a commanding force standing above social classes. "

                      This is a normal explanation of the "intelligentsia"

                      The opinion of the leader of the peoples is certainly weighty, but forgive me he judged from his bell tower, from his level of education, so to speak ...
                      I will answer as follows
                      Khobensky, playing the role of Kolchak, realized on the screen the image of a true intellectual, a professional in his field and a man of honor hi
                      1. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 13 October 2020 17: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim_888
                        Khobensky, playing the role of Kolchak, realized on the screen the image of a true intellectual, a professional in his field and a man of honor

                        He (Khabensky) did not impress me. I treat Kolchak as one born in Transbaikalia, in a completely different way than the inhabitants of Central Russia.
  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 4 October 2020 15: 52
    +1
    "Over the decades of the Soviet and" independent "eras, they have lost their national identity to varying degrees" ...

    - in fact, identity, that is, they ceased to feel themselves Russian, to which they actually "belong".

    "As noted above, before the First World War, the overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of Little Russia (including Galicia)"

    - this is how Galicia (Galician Rus) never belonged to Little Russia (the former Left-Bank Hetmanate).
    1. Boris Afinogenov
      Boris Afinogenov 4 October 2020 15: 59
      -2
      Make a border for these deer from Bucharest to Nalchik, they will start to think that everyone in this territory is Ukrainians. Why? And patamushta! Even now they are unable to explain why Ivan from Nikolaev is a Ukrainian, although all the roots come from Russia.
    2. fn34440
      fn34440 4 October 2020 16: 06
      -1
      The EU actually refused to finance Ukraine, and only gives "handouts" for the implementation of certain reforms that are beneficial exclusively to the EU itself; the destruction of industry is coming to an end; negotiations in the Minsk format “failed safely”; in fact, relations with all neighboring countries have been spoiled, but Kiev, against the background of the aggravation of the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh, managed to worsen them with Yerevan; the ratings of the president himself "Nezalezhnaya" and his political force "Servant of the People" demonstrate a rapid collapse .. An attempt to stage a show with a meeting of the "servants" faction in the "frontline zone" failed, because this rabble refused to go "to war." Relations with Belarus and other neighbors have been ruined, and now the picture is the same with Armenia. Local elections are just around the corner, in which the "servants" will face a final failure, in short, I would like to say to the remnants of the Ukrainian ethnic group: "Oh, Ayb Johannabaden. Thomas Karo Romal.
      Yo lasal inchala yomarito ... lunda burned out.
      Tsigel, tsigel, tsigel ah-lu-li ...
      Luche parot ah-lu-li! "
      Ziegel, or die Zeit you are in short supply.
  • Gato
    Gato 4 October 2020 15: 59
    0
    Instead of them, a “common” surrogate was introduced

    If the head is empty, then any r can be introduced into it - from "universal human values" to "national ideas", not to mention any exoticism. It seems to me that everything depends on upbringing in the family, since the school is always trying to implant the ideology of the current government.
    1. tatra
      tatra 4 October 2020 16: 23
      0
      Well, this is how their puppeteers instilled into the Russian and Ukrainian enemies of the communists the delusional myth that the Bolsheviks, who created the Ukrainian SSR from different territories and nationalities, including Russians, immediately decided to "starve" the population of the Ukrainian SSR, "in order to destroy the national identity of the Ukrainians." It is useless to expect from the enemies of the communists not only the truth, but also elementary logic and common sense.
      1. Gato
        Gato 4 October 2020 16: 27
        +1
        It is useless to wait from the enemies of the communists

        What did you want? What countries do we live in? Do they study Marx and Lenin in Russian, Ukrainian or Belarusian schools?
        1. tatra
          tatra 4 October 2020 16: 30
          -1
          Since the anti-Soviet Perestroika, we have been living in States where the ideology is ANTI-Soviet and RUSOFOBIA.
      2. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 4 October 2020 20: 23
        -3
        The famine in Ukraine and in the Volga region is the result of the economic policy of the Bolsheviks, when the bread was seized at zero, and they drank all the juices from the peasants, the peasant - the owner has always been the enemy of the communists, if anything .... Learn a story that is real, not propaganda
  • thinker
    thinker 4 October 2020 16: 01
    +4
    There is an excellent book on this subject -
    Serhiy RODIN "FORGIVING THE RUSSIAN NAME" Ukrainian chimera

    https://bookscafe.net/book/rodin_sergey-otrekayas_ot_russkogo_imeni-148393.html
  • Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 4 October 2020 16: 05
    +1
    All in a heap ... Do not confuse "polonization" and "ukrainization". The former does not necessarily imply the latter. And the first is not followed by the second. For everyone interested in this topic, I highly recommend the work of the journalist Oles Buzina. For his views, he was killed in Kiev after a coup d'etat in 14 years.
    He well and popularly presented in his books the history of the creation of Ukraine and Ukrainians.
    1. Boris Afinogenov
      Boris Afinogenov 4 October 2020 16: 18
      0
      For this they killed. And now the rest of the "pro-Russian" are the real ho_kh_ly. They are afraid to recognize themselves as Russians, because they will have to become one of them, otherwise they can panuvat in their kingdom. This is about the elite, and the people are already following it.
    2. tatra
      tatra 4 October 2020 16: 27
      -1
      Before the capture of the Ukrainian SSR by the enemies of the communists, no State of Ukraine existed. There was a short period when, during the Civil War unleashed by the external and internal enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists, they seized parts of the territory of Russia, and created the Ukrainian People's Republic and the ZUNR on them.
      1. Boris Afinogenov
        Boris Afinogenov 4 October 2020 16: 36
        -2
        Why did the communists create the Ukrainian SSR? Couldn't this territory be included in the RSFSR?
        With the "whites" no Ukraine would have existed. And the Russians would have remained Russian.

        PS. Now we will analyze this particular topic. Nobody speaks badly about the victory of the "red" in the civil
        1. tatra
          tatra 4 October 2020 17: 17
          -3
          Why shouldn't the communists create republics within the USSR? Because the cowardly enemies of the communists, with their complete lack of a sense of responsibility for what they did in the Soviet and post-Soviet periods, for their seizure of the USSR, divided the USSR into separate States under the spell of "freedom and independence"?
    3. Gato
      Gato 4 October 2020 16: 31
      0
      I highly recommend the work of journalist Oles Buzina

      Join.
  • Force multiplier
    Force multiplier 4 October 2020 17: 39
    -1
    From the fact that part of the Khazars in Ingushetia were renamed into Little Russians, they did not become Russian. In the same way as from their subsequent renaming into Ukrainians (although Ukrainians are a broader term - nationality), they still did not cease to be Khazars. Ukrainization began under tsarism. And yet, for understanding. The chairman of the Central Rada, Hrushevsky, was the son of a professor of Russian literature. Before WWI, I told students about Ukraine-Rus in the Austrian Lviv. Corresponding Member of the USSR Academy of Sciences. Died in Kislovodsk in 1934
  • Operator
    Operator 4 October 2020 18: 20
    -5
    "They'll fix the humpbacked grave" - ​​it's high time to put all Russian businessmen who maintain foreign trade relations with the Outskirts in jail, with the confiscation of their property, to declare comprehensive economic sanctions against the Outskirts (including a complete cessation of gas pumping through its territory - it's a blessing that gas consumption in Europe has sharply decreased due to the coronavirus), to block the Dnieper on the border of the Union State, and also to prohibit the supply of any Russian vaccines against coronavirus to the Outskirts.
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 4 October 2020 20: 26
      0
      Put everyone, all the economically active population, but only in Europe, and it will immediately become easier for you
      1. Operator
        Operator 4 October 2020 20: 30
        -6
        Rejoice - you Banderaites have already reserved seats in Canada bully
        1. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 4 October 2020 21: 12
          +1
          With great pleasure, only Canada does not really accept retirees
          1. Operator
            Operator 4 October 2020 21: 35
            -6
            We will help you realize your dream of life - we will assign the status of a fighter against the Russian regime.
    2. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 4 October 2020 21: 51
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      It is high time to put in jail all Russian businessmen maintaining foreign trade relations with the Outskirts, with the confiscation of their property, to declare comprehensive economic sanctions against the Outskirts

      Lukoil, Rosneft, Gazprom, Orsknefteorgsintez and others - to impose sanctions from the Russian Federation
      Alekperov, Miller, Sechin, Mikhail Gutseriev (and for deliveries through the Republic of Belarus and directly from the Russian Federation) and others - to jail.
      Is this still extremism or not yet? laughing
      And most importantly, they (the aforementioned companies and people) have increased the volume of supplies this year by 40%! Replacing volumes from RB.
      1. Operator
        Operator 4 October 2020 22: 11
        -4
        Deliveries go to the dark through intermediary firms (mostly Belarusian), so the names will be different.
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 4 October 2020 22: 39
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          Deliveries go to the dark through intermediary firms, mostly Belarusian.

          No dark ones. RF quotas are issued quite legally and officially.! Do not give to their own!
          30% of Russian fuel from Russian suppliers goes through RB.
          Mikhail Gutseriev will gladly tell you this simple scheme. Not even a scheme, but just a trade.
          Or maybe he won't tell .. Who we are to him .. He is a successful businessman. He is the interests of the Russian Federation.
          And you go to jail ...
    3. BAI
      BAI 5 October 2020 10: 03
      0
      it is high time to jail all Russian businessmen who maintain foreign trade relations with the Outskirts, with the confiscation of their property,

      And what about AvtoVAZ? Franco-Japanese, on the territory of the Russian Federation.
      1. Operator
        Operator 5 October 2020 10: 20
        -3
        I do not understand - have Bandera already moved to France and Japan? laughing
  • Amba412
    Amba412 4 October 2020 19: 32
    +2
    The past has already passed and it cannot be returned, and even more so there is no point in analyzing who is to blame. There are real Carpathian Rusyns who consider themselves RUSSIAN. And now everyone is hammering them. Both Ukrainians and Hungarians. That would help them in the framework of the Russian world. Otherwise, they are really alone there against everyone
  • Living7111972
    Living7111972 4 October 2020 20: 32
    0
    Bullshit ... I already lived well and I understand something: although I am a Bashkir, they wanted to kill me just as a Russian. We live in Russia, we are all Russian, some are more, some are less, some even hate this word. The essence - it does not change in any way. Even Soviet and Russian were almost synonyms for the whole world. And so it remains. We were brought up on Russian culture. Yes, every nation has its own culture, but it has been under the influence of Russian thought and word for a considerable period of time. There is no way we can ignore Pushkin, Tchaikovsky, Lomonosov, no way. This is how we live. And how many mixed marriages have become, I married a Russian girl 26 years ago, then it was still a novelty, but now it is commonplace.
  • maktub
    maktub 4 October 2020 21: 01
    0
    Gentlemen minusers, explain to me the stupid "Little Russian" who are the Russians?
    I heard about the Krivichs, Polyans, Drevlyans and other Slavs, even the Varangian Russians, but not about the Russians
    Why did this Moscow principality take the name Rus?
    I heard Kievan and Novgorod Rus, Moscow, no!
    1. Alevil
      Alevil 5 October 2020 03: 57
      0
      This is from your resentment. Intellectually, you understand that the article is correct and the Ukrainians are an ethnic chimera, but you cannot accept, so you begin to deny the obvious. As for the "appropriation" of the names Rus and Russians, the Russians have suffered their name, their name in wars and severe trials. But how can those who have lost their Russian self-name even claim to be the heirs of Russia, so this is a big question. I also understand: losing the war, losing independence, not being able to defend your rights, becoming Polish slaves ... But profaning your Russian name and at the same time yelling at every corner that you are "the heir of Rus", and even denying the national identity of your neighbors who pulled you out of this very Polish (and then German) slavery ... Eh ... Only "Ukrainians" are really capable of this.
      1. maktub
        maktub 5 October 2020 08: 54
        -2
        Would you stop watching propagandists
        Answer reasonably my questions and I will believe your exclusivity
        1. Alevil
          Alevil 5 October 2020 10: 51
          0
          I haven’t tried to answer nonsense with reason. And be sure to undergo a medical examination in a neuropsychiatric one. Here's my advice to you.
          1. maktub
            maktub 5 October 2020 11: 11
            -2
            Thank you for your concern, only recently passed the driver's medical examination, the diagnosis is healthy!
            And this is nonsense, this article and your lament over the lost, unsupported "greatness"
            1. Alevil
              Alevil 5 October 2020 14: 33
              +2
              You are wrong. Our greatness was, is and will be. But the outskirts are degeneration, abomination and a mockery of history. And history will correct this mistake.
              1. maktub
                maktub 5 October 2020 14: 49
                -7
                Words, words, words. What is your greatness because you are not RI and not even the USSR in terms of territory and population?
                In culture, in advanced technologies, in the economy, in the standard of living?
                Except megalomania, I observe nothing
                1. Alevil
                  Alevil 5 October 2020 14: 55
                  +1
                  Well, at least in the fact that they kept their Russian name, and did not call themselves a contemptuous Polish nickname. Although, this is not greatness, but the norm.
                  We liberate our territories. Crimea, for example laughing
                  1. maktub
                    maktub 5 October 2020 15: 12
                    -5
                    Taking advantage of our "inner turmoil"
                    No wonder the West is urged to restrict you in all directions
                    1. Alevil
                      Alevil 5 October 2020 16: 18
                      +1
                      In the meantime, the West has limited you in all directions: carried out a coup, brought you to poverty, provoked a war in you. In short, "abroad will help us" in all its glory.
                      1. maktub
                        maktub 5 October 2020 16: 22
                        -5
                        Do not distort, everyone knows who and why provoked the war here and for what purposes
                      2. Alevil
                        Alevil 5 October 2020 17: 27
                        +2
                        Of course, good Nuland came to the mundan and handed out cookies. What these cookies will turn out to be revealed later: civil war, degradation in all directions and wild population decline. If it were not for that American provocation with the Mundan, there would not have been all the troubles that befell the unfortunate outskirts. But I remember what they promised on the Mundane: salaries of 2000 euros, EU membership and huge investments from the EU and the USA. And where? Was the mundan standing in vain? Have such kind Western partners really deceived, using the weak in historical memory and prudence of the ukrov as cannon fodder? In my opinion, the answers to these questions are obvious.
                      3. maktub
                        maktub 5 October 2020 17: 36
                        -4
                        I already told you, do not watch Soloviev with Skabeeva, the psyche is more expensive
                        Sc.
                      4. Alevil
                        Alevil 5 October 2020 17: 45
                        +2
                        Better to watch Gordon and Evgeny Kiselev)))
                      5. maktub
                        maktub 5 October 2020 18: 02
                        -3
                        Not my "heroes" from the word "sobsem" laughing
                        If you are interested in Ukrainian politics, I recommend the Klymenko time, the politician - more or less normal channels
                        I can't advise anything from TV
                      6. Alevil
                        Alevil 5 October 2020 18: 26
                        +1
                        So Skabeeva and Solovyov are also not my heroes at all) So you shouldn't generalize. You already have stereotypes laughing
                      7. maktub
                        maktub 5 October 2020 18: 32
                        -1
                        Since the names Gordon and Kiselev immediately surfaced, it means that the stereotype also worked.
                        Propaganda she is like that (both sides) laughing
                        By the way, take Kiselev to his historical homeland
                      8. Alevil
                        Alevil 5 October 2020 18: 37
                        +1
                        We already have one Kiselev. Two is too much laughing
  • BAI
    BAI 5 October 2020 10: 12
    0
    I heard Kievan and Novgorod Rus, Moscow, no!

    Read WIKI if you are reluctant to more serious sources.
    Moscow Rus
    Request "Great Russia" is redirected here; for the batch see another article.
    Great Russia, Great Russia or Great Russia (Greek μεγάλη Ῥωσία, Latin Russia / Ruthenia magna / maior, French la Grande Russie, German Großrussland) is a political-geographical term denoting primarily the historical territory of Russia (Russia) - North Eastern Russia.

    The territorial and geographical content of the term was initially not clearly defined. For the first time the combination "Great Russia" was mentioned in the XII century, but then the adjective "Great" referred to all of Russia and was only an epithet reflecting the size and greatness of the country. It acquired its geographic significance later, during the period of feudal fragmentation and the Mongol-Tatar invasion, when, with the division of the Kiev Metropolis in the 6th century, the ecclesiastical concept of "Little Russia" arose, which initially included 1 dioceses of the Galicia-Volyn principality and 1339 diocese within the sphere of influence Lithuania in 1351-1 [12]. The remaining XNUMX dioceses, including Kiev, began to be called Great Russia. Since the end of the XNUMXth century, the term "Little Russia" has already denoted the whole of South-Western Russia, primarily the area around Kiev. In the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, “Great Rus” was also interspersed with “White Rus” - both of these concepts denote Moscow Rus. From the middle of the XNUMXth century, the idea of ​​Russia, consisting of Great, Small and White Russia, was finally fixed in the Russian language, which is reflected not only in the sovereign title, but also in the official concept of the triune Russian people.

    On the tricolor, this territory was indicated by red. [2]

    In short - where the center of Russian Orthodoxy is, there is Russia.
    1. maktub
      maktub 5 October 2020 10: 35
      -6
      Please remind me in what century and who brought Orthodoxy to the territory of the Slavs (Krivichi, Drevlyans, Polyans, etc.)
      And again "Russian Orthodoxy" does not explain who these Russians are
  • Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 4 October 2020 21: 58
    +1
    Always interested in that bitterness of claims against the Ukrainians, just in fact.
    For what they are
    For claiming a common history
    For their territory recognized by the Russian Federation and the world.
    For culture
    For language
    And most importantly, the very monologue of reflections on Ukrainians does not leave the slightest chance for peaceful coexistence. For in monologues there are only threats, at least black humor.
    But at the same time, to insist that only they are bad, they hate Russians and everything Russian ..
    Maybe the Russians have something wrong, since there are so many claims to the Ukrainians.
    After all, Russians do not have as many claims to any nation as to Ukrainians.
    Moreover, the concept of Russian Ukrainian. And the Russian Ukrainian has long been commonplace.
    You can be a Russian by nationality in Ukraine (because the Russian word in the language is Russian)
    You can be Ukrainian with a Russian passport.
    But this is the 21st century! The century of global culture, language, information and life.
    And we still measure by monthly squabbles about neighbors ...
    1. BAI
      BAI 5 October 2020 10: 14
      0
      Always interested in that bitterness of claims against the Ukrainians, just in fact.

      Not in fact. The betrayal of the memory of the millions who died in the Great Patriotic War is not forgiven.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 5 October 2020 13: 06
        -2
        Past. This was before the Second World War, and before the VOR, and after the VOR.
        And in the Second World War there were 2089 GSS Ukrainians. And the Banner
        Victories were hoisted by the Ukrainian political instructor Berest.
        Your point of view is clear, but the argument is mild
        speaking, not convincing. Albums with photos
        relatives who died in the Second World War are in every Ukrainian
        family, their photos hang on places of honor in houses
        (22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX the first to bomb the cities of Ukraine).
        I think you can easily find something else,
        to express your hatred for Ukrainians
  • kig
    kig 5 October 2020 05: 41
    0
    Mr. Samsonov has been telling us for a long time that Ukrainians are actually Russians. Why on earth? Our language is completely different. If you don't believe me, watch a football match with a Ukrainian commentator, and then try to tell how the plot developed there. Watch a film in Ukrainian, and the film is not old, not from Soviet times. The culture is somewhat similar, but not quite. The mentality ... I don't know, it is completely different among Russians, depending on who, where, how he grew up and was brought up. But this is not so important, one language is enough, and everything else will flow from this. Whoever is engaged in Ukrainization - Poles or someone else, or it has developed itself, but it has already taken place.
    By the way, for some reason, Mr. Samsonov does not consider the converse statement that Russian is Ukrainian, although if one is equal to the other, then why not? And what about Belarusians, why not enroll them as Russians?
  • WeAreNumerOne
    WeAreNumerOne 5 October 2020 09: 24
    -3

    No comments
    1. BAI
      BAI 5 October 2020 10: 18
      0
      And whose Crimea? By the way, initially, Putin said that only Crimea is part of Russia, the rest is Ukraine. Do not pass off your plans as Putin's.
      1. WeAreNumerOne
        WeAreNumerOne 5 October 2020 10: 30
        -4
        So for whom did he put the candles? For non-existent "heroes" of a non-existent "country"? Anything can be imagined? True?
        1. Alevil
          Alevil 5 October 2020 10: 56
          -1
          I don’t think he lit candles for the “heroes” of such a “country” as the outskirts. Moreover, she doesn't really have any heroes either. Is it possible to call heroes of degenerates and sadists, such as Bandera and a whore?
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  • Kushka
    Kushka 5 October 2020 13: 39
    -3
    [quote = kig] Mr. Samsonov has long been telling us/quote]
    The schoolboy happened to be in the back of the lawn with a wooden shovel
    carry grain to the elevator. The lawn drove to the flyover and from above
    a bar was lowered into the body - grain sampling for samples. What is really
    Samsonov really thinks, he won't tell us, he does what
    pay (kalibr wrote to his critics on VO that he wrote
    about the Communist Party, and writes now - and then, and today it allows him
    live comfortably, but he does not accept claims). So Samsonov
    only does its job - from time to time it launches to the masses
    measuring rod and the customer sees - the degree of hatred is normal
    and in the right direction. (Romanians shot their own in the yard
    some pigsty with my wife, but I never heard of
    "coup", "capture" - and what, it's okay! And this one grabbed the stolen
    in one hand, mistress in the other, and even faded to the patron quietly -
    what a fascist coup! In its purest form!)
    The resource is Russian, most of the inhabitants of Ukraine - dozens
    millions, they never heard of him. Guys, you yourself are everything
    prove? Boil, and Samsonov with a thermometer?
    And you are not afraid that there were already "guys" who "gave an assessment"
    neighboring peoples, their culture, language (including Russians,
    by the way). And they did what they did only after
    how the thermometer showed the desired temperature.
  • Alevil
    Alevil 5 October 2020 14: 58
    0
    There was no Ukraine as a state. As for the name Ukraine, it was a rather contemptuous nickname for a territory that was once a great state and which the Poles crushed under themselves. The name Ukraine is an example of Polish bragging about their victory, their "success", like they say they have crushed southwestern Russia under themselves and now it is a full-time outskirts-Ukraine. The Poles could not even imagine that some crazy person would ever be proud of the name "Ukraine".
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 October 2020 06: 47
    0
    If we talk about the Ukraine project, it’s not bad to mention the unspoken project Russia. At first, China was a project of the West. And then we. Burned in China, the West did not build factories in our country. It provided us with technology and equipment so that we They drove their raw materials over the hill. Receiving fabulous benefits from this. Having touched the Crimea, they simply imposed sanctions. As with China, they miscalculated. Now we have to puzzle over how to proceed.