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Baku said that Armenia may be left without the Osa-AKM air defense system: on the vulnerability of these complexes to Turkish-made strike UAVs

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Baku said that Armenia may be left without the Osa-AKM air defense system: on the vulnerability of these complexes to Turkish-made strike UAVs

Azerbaijani information sources write that with the intensity of the use of attack drones, which is now, the Armenian side in the next few days may be left without such air defense systems as the Osa air defense system.


In the zone of the Karabakh conflict, the Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile systems are used, data on the exact number of which are in service with the armies of Armenia and the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic in open sources does not appear. At the same time, according to the Azerbaijani side, in 4 days of the conflict, at least 8 such air defense systems were destroyed, and most of them with the help of Turkish-made unmanned aerial vehicles. This is primarily about the Bayraktar shock drones.

Today, the characteristics of Bayraktar are such that most often it remains inaccessible to the Osa air defense system of the Armenian and Karabakh troops.

It is known that the UMTAS ATGM is used to defeat armored vehicles and launchers of air defense systems. The Bayraktar TB2 drone is capable of carrying four such missiles and striking from a height of up to 8,5 km. At the same time, the "ceiling" of the height for a target that the Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system can destroy is 7400 meters. In other words, Turkish-made drones have a "margin" in height before Soviet-made air defense systems. This "gap" allows the UAV to approach such air lines that allow them to effectively attack and destroy not only the mentioned air defense systems themselves, but also the equipment and positions that they cover.

Baku says that "the enemy's air defense system is failing."

Video of Azerbaijani troops:


However, the Azerbaijani side is silent about the number of losses in the same drones that it suffered due to the use of various modifications by the Armenian side of air defense systems.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 1 October 2020 16: 37
    -29 qualifying.
    Each tricky bolt has its own tricky nut (censored version of the saying)
    Suddenly, Armor with more than sufficient target hitting height can appear in NCR.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 1 October 2020 16: 44
      10
      Suddenly, Armor with more than sufficient target hitting height can appear in NCR.

      Why on earth? ... what grounds are there for such a conclusion?
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 1 October 2020 16: 45
        +3
        For example, help from the brotherly Syrian people winked
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 1 October 2020 16: 48
          +7
          And where in a hurry to recruit specialists capable of fighting drones in Turkey?
          In Syria, their cat cried.
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 1 October 2020 16: 51
            23
            We need to work hard on this. Modern warfare without effective countermeasures to drones is a thing of the past.
            1. ammunition
              ammunition 1 October 2020 17: 04
              23
              Quote: Thrall
              We need to work hard on this. Modern warfare without effective countermeasures to drones is a thing of the past.

              good Plus 100500
              -------------------
              drones that are riveted by tens of thousands because they are cheap .. the worst thing .. because !!!
              1) shooting down one or more drones is not a loss but only is the consumption of ammunition. Similar to the consumption of cartridges or projectiles.
              2) The effectiveness of drones in killing enemy personnel .. and in destroying his equipment is very high.
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 1 October 2020 17: 08
                18
                The effectiveness of drones in killing enemy personnel .. and in destroying his equipment is very high.

                Yeah what from Syria is full of videos when a pair of drone + artillery destroy the target with almost 100 percent accuracy ... the war changes beyond recognition ... the enemy can be hollowed out from a distance without entering into fire contact with him and without fear of a response.
                1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                  Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 1 October 2020 18: 59
                  +7
                  In Syria, the Turks carried out equipment that was not protected by any air defense at all. Then the air defense started working and the tale of the omnipotent drones ended abruptly. Moreover, the Syrians used very limited forces, 4 Armor and 4 Bukas, as they said in our Ministry of Defense. Buki carried bayraktars, and shells covered them from shells and missiles launched against them. Completely balanced air defense system. On the basis of Os and Krugs that the Karabakh people have, it is impossible to do this, with this old Soviet guan instead of air defense, the Azerbaijanis will extinguish the Armenian occupiers from a distance.
                  1. dorz
                    dorz 1 October 2020 19: 11
                    +2
                    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                    In Syria, the Turks carried out equipment that was not protected by any air defense at all. Then the air defense started working and the tale of the omnipotent drones ended abruptly.


                    Air defense and electronic warfare are also overgrown with many legends, myths and fairy tales:

                    During the hostilities that erupted in connection with the situation around Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijani military destroyed the advanced Russian electronic warfare "Repellent" system, which defended the positions of the Armenian army.

                    The repellant was eliminated with a strike drone. The electronic warfare system, designed to combat drones, could not detect and drown out the vehicle that attacked it, the cited publication notes. sad
                    Source: https://yandex.ru/turbo/argumenti.ru/s/world/2020/10/689994
                    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 1 October 2020 19: 19
                      +8
                      Any equipment burns and breaks down during hostilities, planes and drones destroy air defense and vice versa. It also depends on the gasket between the chairs and the consoles and the control handles of those who carry it out. History knows many examples of this. The routine of war.
                    2. standan
                      standan 1 October 2020 20: 59
                      +3
                      Have you read this nonsense yourself? I quote in full:
                      During the hostilities that erupted in connection with the situation around Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijani military destroyed the advanced Russian electronic warfare "Repellent" system, which defended the positions of the Armenian army. This is described in the material posted on the pages of online media.

                      According to the portal Avia.pro, "Repellent" was eliminated with the help of an attack drone. The electronic warfare system, designed to combat drones, could not detect and drown out the vehicle that attacked it, the cited publication notes.

                      Earlier on Thursday, it was reported that expert Hrachya Arzumanyan voiced an opinion according to which Turkish F-16 planes seen near the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh challenged Russia.
                      Where are the links to at least some real info?
                  2. My doctor
                    My doctor 1 October 2020 19: 47
                    +4
                    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                    Buki carried bayraktars, and shells covered them from shells and missiles launched against them.

                    shells against projectiles?
                    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 2 October 2020 12: 41
                      -1
                      Quote: MyVrach
                      shells against projectiles?

                      Well, yes, against rockets.
                  3. Niki71
                    Niki71 2 October 2020 01: 08
                    +1
                    No need to talk about gua ... that's old, yes, but at one time they were very even! Everything has its time!
                2. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 1 October 2020 20: 00
                  +9
                  Quote: The same Lech
                  The effectiveness of drones in killing enemy personnel .. and in destroying his equipment is very high.

                  Yeah what from Syria is full of videos when a pair of drone + artillery destroy the target with almost 100 percent accuracy ... the war changes beyond recognition ... the enemy can be hollowed out from a distance without entering into fire contact with him and without fear of a response.

                  Well, this topic is already over 50 years old, I guess. At the border of 70-80. In the USSR Armed Forces, a new icon appeared on the maps - an eight-pointed green star, indicating the place and time of the use of high-precision weapons. And then drones appeared - in each army, a detachment / squadron of UAVs. Maybe sparse, but for that time - an innovation, however. I mean that Syria did not "discover" anything new, just with the collapse of the USSR, military thought "slightly" hung up in our country and we happily invent a primitive bicycle, although grandfather's "Champion-Highway" is still gathering dust in my grandmother's attic. It's sad.
                3. dauria
                  dauria 1 October 2020 20: 41
                  +3
                  . the enemy can be hammered at a distance without entering into fire contact with him and without fear of a response.

                  Where is the result? The entrenched infantry decides and decides everything. Yes, we need to think about how to block these couple of kilometers of height from the reconnaissance frames of the Fock-Wulf level 189 of the Second World War. Will be blocked. Find what. It may be necessary to shoot down the spotters by aircraft, as before. And then everything is the old fashioned way. The conquest of air superiority in the area (or at least a draw). Aviation and artillery preparation and support for the attack on the entire depth of the front (as much as 200 km - Armenia will have to be hooked.) And drive your infantry to the slaughter, exchange one for three. The "blitzkrieg" did not work out, and the vaunted UAVs did not help.

                  It's time to end this massacre for Azerbaijan. Stick. It was necessary to prepare "more thoroughly". It can still retreat keeping the muzzle of the face. Like, Putin and Trump himself were asked.
              2. K-612-O
                K-612-O 1 October 2020 17: 18
                11
                Well, Bayaktars will be more expensive than Winglongs, and no one rivets them in thousands. Harol is certainly simpler and cheaper, but there it can be removed from the machine gun.
                1. bobba94
                  bobba94 1 October 2020 20: 38
                  0
                  Ukraine last year bought 10 Bayraktar from the Turks. The contract is $ 68 million. Essno, here and that training operators and some of those. accompaniment, but still the amount is rather big.
              3. mikstepanenko
                mikstepanenko 1 October 2020 18: 16
                +8
                Not so cheap, five million green rubles apiece. And tens of thousands, unbend .... A hundred for everything about everything. And Erdogan needs them to close, besides Azerbaijan, also Syria and Libya, and leave something for himself.
                1. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 1 October 2020 18: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: mikstepanenko
                  Not so cheap, five million green rubles apiece. And tens of thousands, unbend .... A hundred for everything about everything. And Erdogan needs them to close, besides Azerbaijan, also Syria and Libya, and leave something for himself.

                  You imagine life very poorly yesAccustomed not to put the life of a soldier. Here is your impression of modern warfare. Modern war and life is not a cheap thing. And measured in yo. Would you like to stage the Armenian dances of the soldiers? wink
              4. venik
                venik 1 October 2020 20: 23
                +4
                Quote: ammunition
                drones riveted by tens of thousands,

                =======
                WHO "rivets" them in tens of thousands, won't you tell me ???
                --------
                Quote: ammunition
                2) The effectiveness of drones in killing enemy personnel .. and in destroying his equipment is very high.

                =======
                Only if the enemy does not have:
                - an effective layered air defense system;
                - a developed, effective electronic warfare system;
                - an RTR system capable of detecting UAV control centers;
                - highly qualified personnel capable of servicing these systems.
                Then yes! Very effective!
              5. CSKA
                CSKA 2 October 2020 11: 29
                0
                Quote: ammunition
                drones riveted by tens of thousands

                It's interesting who rivets the tens of thousands of drone UAVs?
            2. loki565
              loki565 1 October 2020 17: 09
              28
              They began to actively use dummies of the Wasp, at least two such targets were hit by kamikaze drones.
              1. dzvero
                dzvero 1 October 2020 18: 10
                14
                Knowing that a dummy of such quality cannot be done on the knee in a day, the question arises - how much of the equipment knocked out in positions is real iron, and how much is plywood ...
            3. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 1 October 2020 17: 58
              -16 qualifying.
              I don't want to upset you, but at the moment, of all the developments of the Russian Federation, only 1 test "shell" of the Russian Federation can at least something against the drones of the Turks .... The rest - with eyes ... hi
              1. Anika
                Anika 1 October 2020 18: 16
                +6
                And the Torahs? Or do these bayraktars have very low visibility? Show the destruction of human equipment, where is the Armenian air defense?
              2. hrych
                hrych 1 October 2020 18: 24
                0
                The carapace is bold, this is an electronic warfare theme. Why the Armenians did not draw conclusions after the trial use of barrage ammunition is surprising.
                1. My doctor
                  My doctor 1 October 2020 19: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: hrych
                  The carapace is bold, this is an electronic warfare theme. Why the Armenians did not draw conclusions after the trial use of barrage ammunition is surprising.

                  Dear, if it doesn't bother you, please clarify to me how you imagine the work of electronic warfare?
                  1. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 1 October 2020 20: 24
                    -1
                    Quote: MyVrach
                    Quote: hrych
                    The carapace is bold, this is an electronic warfare theme. Why the Armenians did not draw conclusions after the trial use of barrage ammunition is surprising.

                    Dear, if it doesn't bother you, please clarify to me how you imagine the work of electronic warfare?

                    No, for him this is a unique magic wand (no), which only has to appear on the battlefield and everyone starts to give up
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 1 October 2020 22: 19
                      -6
                      Have you come to discuss me? Think about why these systems are being developed. For beauty? If so smart, then prove Krasukha's inefficiency, bring intelligence. If you can't, then do something useful wassat do your homework and let the uncles talk and discuss the performance characteristics of the systems.
                      1. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 1 October 2020 23: 08
                        -1
                        Quote: hrych
                        Have you come to discuss me?

                        No
                        Quote: hrych
                        Think about why these systems are being developed.

                        I thought
                        Quote: hrych
                        For beauty?

                        No
                        Quote: hrych
                        If so smart, then prove Krasukha's inefficiency, bring intelligence.

                        If so smart, prove extraordinary effectiveness. Bring the intelligence.

                        If you cannot, then do something useful, do your homework and let the uncles talk and discuss the performance characteristics of the systems.
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 1 October 2020 23: 21
                        -1
                        Primates copy people wassat... According to Krasuha. Come to Krasuha and put your head in the reflector wassat questions by themselves ... will disappear
                      3. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 1 October 2020 23: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: hrych
                        Primates copy people wassat... According to Krasuha. Come to Krasuha and put your head in the reflector wassat questions by themselves ... will disappear

                        Copying people is prohibited
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 2 October 2020 05: 58
                        -1
                        For God's sake, I don't mind. Use wassat
                    2. Grits
                      Grits 2 October 2020 05: 02
                      -1
                      Quote: hrych
                      questions by themselves ... will disappear

                      With which part of the body?
                    3. hrych
                      hrych 2 October 2020 05: 57
                      +3
                      The one with questions wassat
                  2. Dikson
                    Dikson 6 October 2020 21: 29
                    +1
                    Lord .. and why for this Krasuha ??? You can tilt a simple Meteo airfield and fry the entire front line of the enemy ...
          2. hrych
            hrych 1 October 2020 20: 48
            +3
            Quote: MyVrach
            how do you imagine the work of electronic warfare?

            Same as you wassat If UAVs and loitering ammunition are essentially radio-controlled devices with tele-guidance, then the work of electronic warfare should concern the disruption of communication of this rubbish with the operator. Television guidance is especially elementary. This is done by blocking the frequencies. When a target is illuminated by a drone and, accordingly, when an ATGM is used, there must be opposition in the IR spectrum. The television camera is the same optical detector and it can and should be illuminated, and not fired from the machine. And the Armenians could throw themselves at the "Krasukha", which jammed the enemy's radio communications up to three hundred kilometers. Ali is wrong?
            1. Shiden
              Shiden 1 October 2020 21: 54
              -2
              I’m wondering what if “Krasukha” flies like “Shrike” again they will write a hands-on calculation, I’m not of Russian nationality. So electronic warfare is not a miracle weapon for which you pray so much. But the RTR is here, but the principle of operation is based on passive scanning of frequencies and direction finding of outgoing signals.
              1. hrych
                hrych 1 October 2020 22: 12
                -4
                I don’t pray. Russia is a nuclear country with an entire lineup and suddenly wants to fight with the Shraykovodami, it will burn these along with the electronics. Without nuclear weapons, we have something to suppress the shriek leaders with Calibers, Iskanders and aviation from Strategic, long-range bombers to front-line bombers, a thousand kilometers from the distance of the shriek of the shrykovod. Without entering the zone of action of the shray leaders. For the Shrike operates at 50 km, the S-400 carrier of the Shrike will land from 400 km. And Krasukha operates for 300 km. For your information. With regards to Karabakh, there are mountains and you can install it in the rear for a couple of hundred kilometers. This is so a note.
              2. Shiden
                Shiden 1 October 2020 23: 05
                -1
                Yes, that's what TV means instead of brains, you never happened to turn on logic. For broadening horizons, the Shrike is the first antiradiation missile developed in the early 50s. And as for the mountains, it's already ridiculous how much we were taught at the Institute of Communications, radio waves can be reflected or attenuated if the source is in a hollow or there is an obstacle in the form of a hill. And why are you so sure that the enemy will act according to your scenario.
              3. hrych
                hrych 1 October 2020 23: 31
                +3
                He brought his own Shrike. laughing You seem to have brains like Einstein ... weighing wassat I would not put it on the mountain, but on the mountain wassat you have your own wisdom wassat The enemy will apparently act according to your blockbuster script wassat
              4. Shiden
                Shiden 2 October 2020 00: 29
                -2
                "Shrike" I just cited as an example of the fact that there is a weapon that can destroy electronic warfare. The wisdom is that the mountains themselves are a complex relief and, alas, you will not put a station or a radar everywhere. On earth, under the wise leadership of the leader and the party, we will defeat the enemy, but in fact, only near Moscow did the military leaders turn on their brains. So what you wrote is a blockbuster where the enemy is stupid and we will destroy his miracle with weapons in an instant.
              5. hrych
                hrych 2 October 2020 06: 17
                +1
                If you put something ruffy on top, then raise the radio horizon. Russia and its engineers have seen the development of enemy strike systems in recent decades. And this is the development of stealth technologies, etc. The same Tomahawk can be called a kamikaze drone only more perfect. And this is the main weapon of a disarming strike in the Global Strike Concept. So we had appropriate countermeasures in the development. So this is a Tomahawk, which does not need communication with the operator. And here everything works, it's even better. That's the whole story. Now our EMP cannon has reached 10 km in range. So this is a burning out electronics completely. Here is the corresponding energy level. And it is possible and necessary to deduce radio communication at a faster rate, here the energy level is lower at the same distance and significantly. And if we are talking about an anti-radar missile, then the drone operator should be hit first ...
      2. Ka-52
        Ka-52 2 October 2020 05: 47
        +3
        I'm wondering if something like Shrike arrives at the "Krasuha"

        no need to idealize the Shrike. This is an old and primitive missile, already out of service, with a bunch of flaws. If you want to jerk off to American anti-radar missiles, then write at least about HARM.
      3. Shiden
        Shiden 2 October 2020 20: 53
        0
        I'm just amazed and the word "like" has some meaning or should be taken literally. Well, I'll give you an example, paraphrase my quote "I'm wondering if something like" X "arrives at Krasukha. You understand what I wrote or are lost in conjecture. Let me explain the X-55, X-35, X-28 these are missiles but for different purposes, or in order to understand me you need to write ten lines.
  • loki565
    loki565 1 October 2020 20: 23
    +6
    Torahs will be more effective than shells, the question is in quantity, UAVs do not fly one at a time, plus they use many false targets up to An2
    And so tori for small-sized and group targets work well.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 1 October 2020 17: 05
    +1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    And where in a hurry to recruit specialists capable of fighting drones in Turkey?

    good
    I assume that the number of Russian specialists willing to show their skills in this war will be small. And there are a number of reasons for this.
    When creating the CSTO, someone had to ponder a situation in which the position of the parties to the treaty is extremely impartial.
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 1 October 2020 18: 45
    +4
    Azerbaijan has found specialists for Turkish technology, so the Armenians can find for theirs.
  • Buffet
    Buffet 1 October 2020 17: 03
    +4
    Did the Armenians help the "brotherly Syrian" people in their time? Well, at least something?
    1. the finish
      the finish 1 October 2020 17: 14
      +9
      In general, you do not have information if you are asking such a question! They helped. And the only ones with Russia.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 October 2020 17: 47
        +3
        Quote: finish
        In general, you do not have information if you are asking such a question! They helped. And the only ones with Russia.

        The Syrians will also help.
        They will send one calculation of MANPADS with the condition of its placement only where there are no hostilities.
        1. Mr.X
          Mr.X 1 October 2020 18: 13
          -1
          It is already up to the Syrians to decide and not to you!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 October 2020 18: 14
            +5
            The Syrians have already decided. Don't send anything at all.
            1. Mr.X
              Mr.X 1 October 2020 18: 17
              0
              So so be it.
            2. Grits
              Grits 2 October 2020 05: 08
              -1
              Quote: Spade
              The Syrians have already decided. Don't send anything at all.

              It depends on what kind of Syrians. Those on the other side of Assad gladly sent themselves with the help of the Turks.
              It's all about motivation.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 2 October 2020 08: 50
                +2
                Quote: Gritsa
                gladly sent themselves with the help of the Turks.

                With pleasure?
                There wasn't much fun there, I'm afraid. They are well aware that the Turks are actually utilizing them. But you can't trample against a skating rink with a bare heel ...
        2. My doctor
          My doctor 1 October 2020 19: 53
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: finish
          In general, you do not have information if you are asking such a question! They helped. And the only ones with Russia.

          The Syrians will also help.
          They will send one calculation of MANPADS with the condition of its placement only where there are no hostilities.

          good
    2. gurzuf
      gurzuf 1 October 2020 18: 09
      +3
      So turkey pours its penny to the Armenians. So why not give the Syrians a nickle with Armor. And bhp. will train and teach Armenians to shoot down Turks.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 1 October 2020 19: 21
        +1
        Quote: gurzuf
        So why not give the Syrians a nickle with Armor. And bhp. will hold a training session and teach Armenians to shoot down the Turks.

        And at whose expense is the banquet? The Syrians have their country in ruins after the civil war.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 1 October 2020 17: 32
    +1
    8 km is a serious altitude for a serious rocket.
    this is at least a torus, beech or wasp, not a shell
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 1 October 2020 17: 52
      -3
      Quote: yehat2
      8 km is a serious altitude for a serious rocket.
      this is at least a torus, beech or wasp, not a shell

      To 15 km.
      Pantsir has other problems, judging by Syria. For example, they often indicate his "blindness" on low-speed small targets. Well, the main problem, in my opinion, is that this is an on-site air defense, and the "non-stop" cover of our troops is still assigned to that very Wasp.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 4 October 2020 17: 38
    0
    From the same place where in Georgia, in 2008, Bandera "beeches" appeared with Bandera calculations. However, there is one misunderstanding in these figures. If "bayraktar" shoots an ATGM from a height of 8 km. + distance on the ground, then what is the firing range of the Turkish missile? 12 km?
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 1 October 2020 16: 45
    17
    Quote: Thrall
    Unexpectedly, Armor can be drawn in NCR

    Will not help. For protection, you need to deploy Pantsiri, Buk, S400, Su-30 \ 35, aircraft with electronic warfare, Su-24 \ 34 for strikes deep into the territory, rescue helicopters, their own UAVs, ground units for protection. In short, we need 2-3 bases of Khmeimim. After that, protection from air threats will appear. None of this works in isolation.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 1 October 2020 16: 48
      -1
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      None of this works alone.

      In Libya, it works more or less.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 October 2020 16: 53
        +3
        Quote: Thrall
        In Libya, it works more or less.

        Oh well. The USA, Russia, France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia somehow stopped the advance of the PNS and the Turks.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 October 2020 18: 21
      -2
      Kamikaze drones will soon teach helicopters to attack.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 1 October 2020 19: 50
        0
        In principle, there are no problems with aiming. Only speed. When you learn to confidently catch up, you can safely apply.
  • WeAreNumerOne
    WeAreNumerOne 1 October 2020 16: 46
    -2
    And there will be a repetition of shots from Syria
  • kventinasd
    kventinasd 1 October 2020 16: 48
    +5
    Quote: Thrall
    Unexpectedly, Armor can be drawn in NCR

    There TOP-M2 also needs Krasukh-type electronic warfare systems. This is where the massive Baypaktarpad will be.
  • iouris
    iouris 1 October 2020 17: 10
    +1
    In Transcaucasia, not a war is taking place, but a game of squeezing out the Russian Federation. Consensus.
    1. Maz
      Maz 1 October 2020 19: 49
      +3
      Anti-aircraft battalion "Buk-M3" has 36 target channels [7]. Like the Buk-M2 air defense system, the new Buk-M3 air defense missile system has an RPN in its composition, which makes it possible to detect a cruise missile at a height of 10 m and a distance of 40 km [8]. The complex is capable of hitting air targets flying at speeds up to 3 km / s at ranges from 2,5 to 70 km and altitudes from 5 m to 35 km.
  • Fungus
    Fungus 1 October 2020 17: 11
    +7
    In Syria, Turkish drummers beech m2 knocked down like nuts when the Syrians drove them to Idlib. There are a lot of photos and videos. Armenia needs Buki.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 1 October 2020 18: 02
      +4
      Let's start with the fact that the photo-cat cried, and in the end, the Turks curtailed the operation when they realized that they would soon run out of UAVs ..
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 1 October 2020 17: 15
    -27 qualifying.
    Quote: Thrall
    Unexpectedly, Armor can be drawn in NCR

    Have they stayed somewhere else? In Syria-Libya, the Turks have already clicked about 40 with their drones.
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 1 October 2020 19: 03
      +2
      Of course they stayed. The Libyans still have about 30. Yes, and they clicked in hangars, then on the way, in short, in an inactive position. 9 Carapace.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 4 October 2020 17: 45
      0
      Write more, why should you feel sorry for the adversaries))))
  • uhu189
    uhu189 1 October 2020 17: 59
    0
    Panzeris, unfortunately, are not a panacea in and of themselves. The experience of Syria and Libya has shown this.
    1. Grits
      Grits 2 October 2020 05: 18
      +1
      Quote: uhu189
      Panzeris, unfortunately, are not a panacea in and of themselves. The experience of Syria and Libya has shown this.

      The experience of Syria and Libya has shown that the Shell is a device with highly exaggerated and over-advertised capabilities.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 1 October 2020 17: 59
    +6
    Quote: Thrall
    Suddenly, Armor with more than sufficient target hitting height can appear in NCR.

    Shells are unlikely ... I will explain why. Apart from the rest of the air defense, missile defense and electronic warfare, Shells are vulnerable, as the Jews have already proven that they can be crushed by a number of UAVs.
    Today, I think, the most effective remedy for UAVs is electronic warfare systems, and in conjunction with various such systems.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 1 October 2020 18: 53
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      effective remedy for UAVs is electronic warfare systems

      I don’t understand one thing, if electronic warfare so easily solves the issue of drones, which is urgent today, then why the same "Krasukha", which has been on sale since the age of 13, is not dismantled like hot cakes? While the same "Armor" is definitely in demand.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 1 October 2020 18: 56
        +3
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        I don’t understand one thing, if electronic warfare so easily solves the issue of drones, which is urgent today, then why the same "Krasukha", which has been on sale since the age of 13, is not dismantled like hot cakes? While the same "Armor" is definitely in demand.

        Krasuha has her own specialization. And it is definitely not for the fight against small UAV-kamikaze.
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 1 October 2020 19: 11
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Krasuha has her own specialization

          Well, substitute another, the desired specialization.
          I cannot form a clear idea of ​​the capabilities of this type of weapons. Reading the press is such a miracle weapon. Look at the news of conflicts - everywhere missiles and guns on drones are working.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 1 October 2020 19: 44
            +4
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            Well, substitute another, the desired specialization.

            They will not deliver, since the principles of operation, capabilities, etc. are secret. If such weapons are exported, they will very quickly find an antidote against it.
            Yes, some electronic warfare systems are exported, but in a very truncated form, with truncated capabilities, in comparison with the same complexes for our aircraft.
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 October 2020 23: 40
        -4
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        if electronic warfare so easily solves the current issue of drones,

        She decides this among the Uryaklov. It actually complicates the job, nothing more.
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        hot cakes do not make out?

        Not needed. Google how many similar systems in the world, I found only the Turks. There are other classes. The most common are electronic warfare aircraft. For electronic suppression and reconnaissance.
        Electronic suppression systems appeared before the First World War, there are no special secrets there.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 2 October 2020 06: 22
          +2
          Google how many similar systems in the world, I found only the Turks.

          all that your Turks have laughing Turkey, after all, is a world expert in the field of electronic countermeasures lol another connoisseur drew fool ....
          The most common are electronic warfare aircraft. For electronic suppression and reconnaissance.

          so for suppression or reconnaissance - sort it out first, Monsieur expert lol
          there are no special secrets there.

          But it’s easy for you to live - if you don’t know about something, then it’s not. Absolutely no. I suspect that you still believe that the Earth is flat and rests on three whales. laughing
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 2 October 2020 08: 30
            -1
            Quote: Ka-52
            all that your Turks have

            Well, give examples of analogues of Rubella and Coral.
            Quote: Ka-52
            so for suppression or reconnaissance - sort it out first, Monsieur expert

            Oh. Do you have a military education? How do you not know what electronic warfare and its components are? You should be ashamed. Well, I'll explain.
            Definition:
            Electronic warfare is a set of measures and actions of troops coordinated by purpose, tasks, place and time to identify systems and tools control of troops and weapons of air defense and enemy aviation, their electronic suppressionAs well as electronic protection their systems and means of command and control of troops and weapons and counteraction to technical means of reconnaissance of the enemy.
            Components of electronic warfare:
            Electronic jamming
            Electronic protection
            Electronic intelligence
            Comprehensive technical control

            So suppression and reconnaissance are all electronic warfare, and for electronic warfare aircraft these are 2 main tasks, to identify and suppress the enemy's electronic systems. Do you have another alternative opinion? wink
            Quote: Ka-52
            But it’s easy for you to live - if you don’t know about something, then it’s not.

            Maybe the other way around? Because I know that's why there are no secrets? Radiophysics has been studied extremely well, there were no new discoveries for a long time, its laws are the same for everyone. For the first time, REP was applied in Russia on April 15, 1904. But nevertheless, my professional holiday in education is October 20 and May 7.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 2 October 2020 09: 01
              +2
              examples of Rubella and Coral analogs

              at least what comes to mind is the American VLQ-12 and its derivatives.
              How do you not know what electronic warfare and its components are?

              I know that and myself have seen it in action. Unlike your wikipedia knowledge)
              only it was about airplanes. Let's imagine the Russian An-50. In theory, his RTK could create induced interference, but it's like hammering nails with a microscope. This is a long-range radio reconnaissance aircraft. Suspended containers with SGRZ type SAP14 are used for jamming (frequency or diversion) directly on combat aircraft
              Maybe the other way around? Because I know that's why there are no secrets? Radiophysics has been studied extremely well, there have been no new discoveries for a long time, its laws are the same for everyone.

              everyone knows the design of the wheel, and the principle of internal combustion engines, but not every car industry is capable of creating a good self-propelled vehicle lol that's it, Monsieur astrophysicist wassat
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 2 October 2020 09: 25
                0
                Quote: Ka-52
                VLQ-12

                It is not an analogue of Rubella at all, a completely different type of electronic warfare systems. His task is to escort the columns.

                Quote: Ka-52
                your wikipedia knowledge)

                Why did you offend Colonel Yu. Ovsyannikov, Head of the FVO at SFedU? I quoted him.
                Quote: Ka-52
                Let's imagine the Russian An-50. In theory, his RTK will be able to create an induced jam

                Let's better imagine the electronic warfare aircraft, not the early warning and control aircraft.
                EA-18G Growler, An-12PP, Su-30/34/35 with Khibiny. Let's take the latter as an example.
                The Khibiny complex includes the following elements:
                An electronic intelligence system based on the Proran ROC.
                Computing system
                Precise memory unit for TSh frequency
                Active jamming station SAP-518 "Regatta".
                A set of fired traps and jammers.
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 2 October 2020 11: 31
                  +2
                  a completely different type of electronic warfare systems.

                  belay the level of knowledge is clear.
                  The Khibiny complex includes the following elements:

                  one more proof that you can only mindlessly copy the performance characteristics of units from the Tyrnetov Wikipedia, without understanding what and why. Proran, which is part of the L-256, although it is called RER, but its main task is to obtain data on the radar of attacking enemy aircraft, analyzes the frequency of their operation. Then the data from Proran is transmitted to Regatta, SAP518, where, based on the obtained analysis of the data, distorting noise is formed.
                  So, monsieur astrophysicist, it works by target program for individual and group protection of our aircraft. You can't even figure out the concepts, but there too
                  pysy. Growler stations operate on this principle
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 1 October 2020 18: 01
    12
    in this case, it is cheaper to hit the airfields with anti-aircraft missiles from the S-300 or Iskander ..
  • the finish
    the finish 1 October 2020 18: 25
    +4
    A Pentagon spokesman, in a message to Sky News Arabiya, confirmed dozens of flights between Turkey and Azerbaijan to transport hundreds of Syrian militants to the conflict zone.
  • north 2
    north 2 1 October 2020 19: 32
    +2
    "For every cunning nut there is a threaded bolt ..." And not vice versa and not some cunning bolt, as you write here. Sayings should be known if you are trying to quote them. By the way, it is just such with a cunning nut that he hopes to drag Russia into this conflict. Russia knows how to do it even without such cunning
    their duties as a member of the DOCS, if someone does not attack Armenia. So it is still unknown who is there with the cunning nut, has now begun to exacerbate this conflict in NK. And if it was Pashinyan who provoked it? So, Russia should defend such an Armenia too, or what? What would be a fool in front of this cunning nut? For such cases, there is a bolt with a large thread.
  • venik
    venik 1 October 2020 20: 10
    +4
    Quote: Thrall
    Suddenly, Armor with more than sufficient target hitting height can appear in NCR.

    ========
    Well, "Tor-M2KM" - it can definitely appear there ..... A year ago they put:
  • Victor67
    Victor67 1 October 2020 21: 22
    -2
    And you and dad will pay for them, as members of the CSTO?
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 1 October 2020 16: 39
    27
    A striking example of what happens when there is no air defense system of the battlefield.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 1 October 2020 16: 45
      +7
      A striking example of what happens when there is no air defense system of the battlefield.

      It is very expensive and expensive ... not every state can afford it.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 October 2020 16: 46
        25
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        It is very expensive and expensive ... not every state can afford it.

        Not having it is even more expensive.
        As practice shows.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 1 October 2020 16: 59
          0
          What then remains to be done for semi-partisan formations that do not have echeloned air defense?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 October 2020 17: 00
            12
            Quote: The same Lech
            What then remains to be done for semi-partisan formations that do not have echeloned air defense?

            Cover yourself with a sheet and crawl towards the cemetery.

            For if with manned aircraft there is an option to try to inflict unacceptable losses on the enemy, then this does not work with a UAV
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 1 October 2020 17: 12
              +8
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: The same Lech
              What then remains to be done for semi-partisan formations that do not have echeloned air defense?

              Cover yourself with a sheet and crawl towards the cemetery.

              For if with manned aircraft there is an option to try to inflict unacceptable losses on the enemy, then this does not work with a UAV

              yes Well, what else to do? These are not the wars of the 90s in the post-Soviet spaces. Azerbaijan has modernized its army. The Armenians "beat up" literally. And in everything. Get it and sign it.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 October 2020 17: 17
                +5
                Quote: Observer2014
                Azerbaijan has modernized its army. The Armenians "ponty beat" literally. And in everything. Get and sign.

                Here I am about that.
              2. panov_panov
                panov_panov 1 October 2020 18: 54
                +3
                I would not write off the Armenian army from the accounts, their opponents are not advancing very much, aviation alone cannot win a war.
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 1 October 2020 20: 36
              +4
              "it doesn't work with a UAV" ////
              ----
              You, as I can see, have changed your negative opinion about
              the effectiveness of attack drones? wink
              Previously, you only recognized scout drones.
              1. Gado
                Gado 1 October 2020 21: 25
                -1
                And he is an expert on everything and everything, plus he writes the best comments. It costs him nothing to change his opinion.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 2 October 2020 08: 47
                  +1
                  Are you an expert on me? Do you know that I think better than myself?
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 2 October 2020 08: 46
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                You, as I can see, have changed your negative opinion about
                the effectiveness of attack drones?

                Of course not. I can count.
    2. WeAreNumerOne
      WeAreNumerOne 1 October 2020 16: 49
      -4
      For example, like the S-400 and Armor in Syria. They said "no-fly zone" - as cut off.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 October 2020 17: 10
        +8
        Quote: WeAreNumerOne
        For example, like the S-400 and Armor in Syria.

        Well, yes.
        Not a single air raid on Russian bases occurred.
        For there is a complete System.
        1. WeAreNumerOne
          WeAreNumerOne 1 October 2020 18: 41
          -15 qualifying.




          The wrong Carapaces were apparently. I just thought why drag my group for half the world. Announcing means to everyone that we are going to decide everything right now, all these zones are no-fly. In which everyone is flying bombing your ally - for whose sake everything was started, and then they are glad that you are not being bombed. For whom is a no-fly zone in which Turks and Jews calmly fly and bomb? Well, about the F-16 and An, I am silent.
          The point was to drag it all there - if in fact, as they flew and fly, nothing has changed
          1. Ali
            Ali 1 October 2020 18: 48
            +3
            WeAreNumerOne (WeAreNumerOne)! There was a video from Israel, where the video - this is an obvious frank fake, where at the end an Israeli drone flies along a rope and in a circle, from one point, and a video with gluing, if I'm not mistaken! And it fires missiles that "Pantsir-C1" do not have such maneuverability as in the video! One thing, a fact - such a fake was and is ...
            1. WeAreNumerOne
              WeAreNumerOne 1 October 2020 18: 56
              -8
              Well, and the rest, and my thought about "heaps of movements - zero sense"? Damascus is bombed almost every week. Did everyone spit on the S-400 and stuff?

              The Azerbaijanis have destroyed the freshly brewed Repellent. Drone-kamikaze - it seems to be supposed to protect just from all kinds of drones? And the Ukrainians were destroying the slaves Resident, and I don’t remember something else.
              Everyone prays for them like that - but there is no sense, already as mantras.
              PS Curvature of the earth - forgot, sorry
              1. Ali
                Ali 1 October 2020 19: 01
                -1
                WeAreNumerOne (WeAreNumerOne)! If Israeli planes do not shoot down S-400s in Syria, this does not mean that they cannot - rather, there is no order! "Pantsir-C2", which is in service with Russia, easily knocks down Turkish UAVs!
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 October 2020 19: 01
                +5
                Quote: WeAreNumerOne
                Did everyone spit on the S-400 and stuff?

                But from this moment in more detail.
              3. loki565
                loki565 1 October 2020 20: 59
                +4
                The Azerbaijanis have destroyed the freshly brewed Repellent. A kamikaze drone - is it supposed to protect just from all kinds of drones?

                But in the video, when a kamikaze drone gets into the repellent, it was already in this state, its march was covered with art, and then the UAVs arrived. But for some reason you forgot to upload the video)))
                1. WeAreNumerOne
                  WeAreNumerOne 1 October 2020 21: 05
                  -10 qualifying.
                  Is it possible here? Yes - destroyed. Ukrainians also covered all these slaves with art, and there was a clear video from a spotter UAV. Alas, all these analog networks do not work
                  1. loki565
                    loki565 1 October 2020 21: 10
                    +3
                    Is it possible here? Yes - destroyed. Ukrainians also covered all these slaves with art, and there was a clear video from a spotter UAV. Alas, all these analog networks do not work

                    Of course you can, insert the link and that's it))) you can also drop Ukrainian videos so as not to be unfounded)))
                  2. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 2 October 2020 06: 32
                    +4
                    Alas, all these analog networks do not work

                    all, disarm. Raptors for scrap metal, Yars are converted into tanks for watering vegetable gardens, and Varshavyanki are sold to Colombian drug cartels. The expert told us that only Turkish kamikaze drones work lol
              4. Ka-52
                Ka-52 2 October 2020 06: 29
                +3
                The Azerbaijanis have destroyed the freshly brewed Repellent. Drone kamikaze

                if you take off your eyes and free your brain from debris, then you can see from the video given that the drone is already striking plant ruins... How was she surprised? It is quite possible with artillery fire.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 October 2020 19: 00
            +2
            I, damn it, for whom did I write about the "System"?
            Or do you prefer not to pay attention to such "nonsense"?
            1. WeAreNumerOne
              WeAreNumerOne 1 October 2020 19: 01
              -9
              And what about the System? Previous post for Ali wrote
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 October 2020 19: 04
                +5
                Quote: WeAreNumerOne
                And what about the System?

                And the system is the system. She keeps our bases safe. Effectively.
                For not a single effective raid on Khmeimim and Tartus happened.
                A system of air defense, electronic warfare, aviation components and weapons. For example, capable of promptly destroying the UAV control center
                1. WeAreNumerOne
                  WeAreNumerOne 1 October 2020 19: 05
                  -11 qualifying.
                  And what is the purpose of finding our bases there? I wonder how you understand her
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 1 October 2020 19: 10
                    +4
                    Quote: WeAreNumerOne
                    And what is the purpose of finding our bases there?

                    Inflicting maximum losses on terrorist attacks. Human and financial.
          3. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 1 October 2020 19: 17
            +5
            Quote: WeAreNumerOne
            The wrong Carapaces were apparently.

            Air defense is primarily a system.
            And a single ZRPK or zrdn - without an external control center and control, without overlapping dead zones with neighbors, without changing positions - this is just a target that often does not even see what will hit it.
            That is why in the same "Desert Storm" the headquarters, communications and long-range detection of Iraqi air defenses were first removed.
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 1 October 2020 22: 45
        -4
        Except for low-altitude targets, which faintly hide behind the curvature of the Earth smile
    3. Grits
      Grits 2 October 2020 05: 24
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      A striking example of what happens when there is no air defense system of the battlefield.

      The Armenians have it. The only problem is that the Armenians believed that the old "Wasp" was the very same air defense system of the battlefield. Not taking into account that the time has gone far ahead and without even bothering to compare the range of the missiles "tractors" and "Wasps". Although they knew very well that the Turks were supplying "tractors" to Azerbaijanis.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 19: 05
        +1
        Quote: Gritsa
        The only problem is that the Armenians believed that the old "Wasp" was the very same air defense system of the battlefield.


        The Wasp tractor will fill up and so on in theory. Well, there are not only Bayraktars flying ..... The problem is in another who prevented the Armenians from agreeing with Lukashenka and modernizing the Wasps on Tetraeder.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 1 October 2020 16: 40
    +3
    Baku said that Armenia may be left without the "Osa-AKM" air defense system: about the vulnerability of these complexes to attack UAVs Turkish production

    As children. Like - here I have an elder brother, Rejepik, I will complain to him and he will show you something.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 October 2020 16: 41
      +5
      Quote: Piramidon
      I have an older brother

      And what does the "elder bratelnik" have to do with Azerbaijani UAVs?
      1. Alevil
        Alevil 1 October 2020 16: 47
        10
        Are you sure that the UAV operators are Azerbaijani military, not Turkish? You can put any sign or any flag on the UAV, and they can be controlled even from Turkey, even from the USA, even from Antarctica.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 October 2020 16: 54
          14
          Quote: Alevil
          Are you sure that the UAV operators are Azerbaijani military, not Turkish?

          What's the difference?
          Azerbaijanis are responsible for their combat use, as well as for all the resulting nuances, including responsibility.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 1 October 2020 16: 48
        -1
        Quote: Spade
        UAV Azerbaijani

        Yeah, Turkish made, sent from Turetchina
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 October 2020 16: 56
          13
          Quote: Piramidon
          Yeah, Turkish made, sent from Turetchina

          So what? There is a bunch of Russian weapons too. Israeli, Belarusian ...

          Well, Azerbaijan will not pull its own full-fledged military-industrial complex
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 1 October 2020 18: 06
            -5
            Quote: Spade
            So what?

            And then. If Russia sticks in there (God forbid), then the Ottomans will not seem a little either. Then both "Caliber" and "Iskander" and Su-34 ... suddenly (judging by your posts) will become Armenian?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 1 October 2020 18: 11
              +6
              Quote: Piramidon
              And then. If Russia sticks in there (God forbid), then the Ottomans will not seem a little either.

              Russia, I'm afraid. also.

              As for the rest, Aliyev solves the problem of inflicting maximum losses on the Armenians while minimizing his own human losses. Thanks to the procurement of the WTO and the UAV, it is solving very successfully.

              Well, to say "it's not fair, Azerbaijan is buying UAVs from Turkey and Israel" ....
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 1 October 2020 18: 32
                -8
                Quote: Spade
                Russia, I'm afraid. also.

                It's nice to see that the enemy of Russia, Lopatov, is afraid. Don't fall off the sofa, you foe.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 1 October 2020 19: 06
                  14
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  It's nice to see that the enemy of Russia, Lopatov, is afraid. Don't fall off the sofa, you foe.

                  You have a sofa. And I honestly fought for Russia, without losing a single subordinate. Available?
                  I graduated as in the 19th division, and so I was discharged from it.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 1 October 2020 21: 42
                    -4
                    Quote: Spade
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    It's nice to see that the enemy of Russia, Lopatov, is afraid. Don't fall off the sofa, you foe.

                    You have a sofa. And I honestly fought for Russia, without losing a single subordinate. Available?
                    I graduated as in the 19th division, and so I was discharged from it.

                    Why, then, are you afraid of Russia?
                    Russia, I'm afraid. also
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 2 October 2020 08: 53
                      +3
                      Quote: Piramidon
                      Why, then, are you afraid of Russia?

                      I'm afraid for Russia.
                      These are the ones who are ready to fight for the Armenian territorial acquisitions to the last Russian soldier. Me not.
                      1. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 2 October 2020 11: 33
                        -4
                        Quote: Spade
                        I'm afraid for Russia.

                        Then write that, not "I'm afraid of Russia."
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 2 October 2020 11: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        Then write that, not "I'm afraid of Russia."

                        Russian in white,

                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        And then. If Russia sticks there too (God forbid), then the Ottomans will not seem a little.

                        Russia, I'm afraid. also.

                        .


                        I decipher: Russia's entry into the war against Azerbaijan and Turkey will result in great human and material losses. Moreover, they will turn Azerbaijan from an adequate partner into an enemy.
                        Therefore, it is not necessary to overdo it.
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 19: 06
              0
              Quote: Spade
              minimization of their own human losses.

              Well, where is the minimization of losses of Azerbaijan ..?!
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 9 October 2020 10: 25
                0
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Well, where is the minimization of losses of Azerbaijan ..?!

                The use of guided weapons.
                Or are you sure that if instead of all this you use a soldier with a grenade launcher, then there will be fewer losses?
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 1 October 2020 17: 24
      +7
      Are bayaktars Azerbaijani? Or Harola? Then the transport workers are driven to Israel and Turkey every day.
      But on the ground, the Turks do not grow together, in 3 days it is already sensitive to lose more than 30 tanks, 3 Soncepecs and 30 infantry fighting vehicles. Therefore, we switched to air and art raids.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 October 2020 17: 29
        +5
        Quote: K-612-O
        lose more than 3 tanks, 30 Soncepecs and 3 BMPs in 30 days

        Not enough. The Armenian agitprop is lost somewhere. laughing

        Quote: K-612-O
        Are bayaktars Azerbaijani? Or Harola?

        Yeah. And "Solntsepeki" are also Azerbaijani
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 1 October 2020 17: 40
        +7
        Your numbers are already going to betray Armenia - and you can sit down. Here are more or less official data on the losses of Erdogan's troops for yesterday laughing
        1. Dr khorne
          Dr khorne 1 October 2020 17: 52
          +8
          The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan also officially announced several thousand killed and wounded at the enemy - whether 2000 or 3000 and 200 destroyed tanks, is this also true? I think the whole of Armenia will not have so many equipment of this kind, and why, with such huge losses of the enemy, the whole of Karabakh has not been captured yet?
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 1 October 2020 17: 58
            +8
            well, both sides have already gone into the game, who will declare more. Therefore, this can be ignored. We must focus on photo / video and other objective materials.

            NKR / Armenia has had a sharp decline in objective materials in recent days. sad
            1. Dr khorne
              Dr khorne 1 October 2020 18: 01
              +3
              I agree, it's amazing how the Armenians still hold out, with the enemy's complete air superiority, and in everything else too.
        2. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 1 October 2020 20: 32
          +1
          Quote: donavi49
          Your numbers are already going to betray Armenia - and you can sit down. Here are more or less official data on the losses of Erdogan's troops for yesterday laughing

          And the rams, probably those whom the Turks brought in ??))
        3. Grits
          Grits 2 October 2020 05: 56
          +1
          Quote: donavi49
          Here are more or less official data on the losses of Erdogan's troops for yesterday

          Creative.
          Just hard to believe.
      3. Nychego
        Nychego 1 October 2020 17: 53
        +7
        Quote: K-612-O
        Therefore, we switched to air and art raids.

        From the first day, "Azerbaijani" UAVs have been working on the "Osa" air defense missile system as priority targets.
        It is quite obvious that before the Turks use manned aircraft on a massive scale, well, in the sense of "Azerbaijanis" they knock out the most threatening elements of Armenian air defense.
        Everything is simple, understandable and even reasonable.
  • jovanni
    jovanni 1 October 2020 16: 44
    -3
    Baku said that Armenia may be left without the Osa-AKM air defense system: on the vulnerability of these complexes to Turkish-made strike UAVs

    Well, why the hell is such air defense needed !? The calculations are just a pity ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 1 October 2020 16: 51
      +5
      Well, why the hell is such air defense needed !?

      A real war with a strong enemy shows well all the disadvantages of air defense.
      Impact UAVs become a headache.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 1 October 2020 17: 09
        +4
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Real war with a strong opponent well shows all the disadvantages of air defense.
        Impact UAVs become a headache.

        With a strong opponent? Yes, it costs nothing to a strong enemy to clear out the likely launch sites for the UAV. So, this is not a "headache" at all, but just a nuisance.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 1 October 2020 17: 13
          +2
          So, this is not a "headache" at all, but just a nuisance.

          Yeah, or a pain in the ass ... there can be thousands of such sites.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 2 October 2020 04: 55
            +1
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Yeah, or a pain in the ass ... there can be thousands of such sites.

            Do you in any way want to admit that for hundreds of UAVs there cannot be thousands of sites in a country with very limited territorial resources (mountainous terrain, etc.) or do you deny the effectiveness of using existing MLRS for areal purposes?
            Especially for you, I repeat:
            Real war with a strong opponent

            Now you can outline the difference between "strong opponent" and "opponent from the word opposite lol».
            As for "splinters" and other foreign bodies, you shouldn't try to sit with your bare bottom on two untreated wooden stools - it will dissipate.
  • maktub
    maktub 1 October 2020 16: 48
    0
    Another example in which direction you need to develop.
    Interestingly, the Turks "run in" Akinchi?
  • bukhach
    bukhach 1 October 2020 16: 50
    +1
    The barrels must be rolled out by the Armenians.
    1. maktub
      maktub 1 October 2020 16: 56
      0
      On tgc there is a video of the application on both sides
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 1 October 2020 16: 57
      0
      The barrels must be rolled out by the Armenians.

      Under the blows of the UAV of the Turks belay ... you can't get enough artillery pieces.
      1. bukhach
        bukhach 1 October 2020 17: 01
        +3
        I meant anti-aircraft guns, good calibers, to get it in height. Maybe where they were lying around in warehouses from the Second World War.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 1 October 2020 17: 03
          10
          Hit the UAV at an altitude of 8,5 km with an anti-aircraft gun from the WWII ... what Well, here you have to be a super-duper sniper and a big lucky one.
          1. bukhach
            bukhach 1 October 2020 17: 08
            0
            I have never been an anti-aircraft gunner, but the battery and direct is not necessary as it seems to me. It was somewhere like our old anti-aircraft guns beat somewhere in Syria, albeit on ground targets.
          2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 1 October 2020 17: 13
            +2
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            To hit the UAV at an altitude of 8,5 km with an anti-aircraft gun with WWII ... well, here you have to be a super-duper sniper and a big lucky one.

            So they are bursting like ...
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 1 October 2020 17: 18
              +3
              So the size of the UAV seems to be not the size of a strategic bomber ... if everything were so simple, our bases in Syria would have been stuffed with long-range anti-aircraft guns long ago.
              1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
                GELEZNII_KAPUT 1 October 2020 17: 32
                +5
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                So the size of the UAV seems to be not the size of a strategic bomber ... if everything were so simple, our bases in Syria would have been stuffed with long-range anti-aircraft guns long ago.

                Bayraktar is not so small, the wingspan is 12 meters, it's just that anti-aircraft guns are probably all in scrap metal already! bully
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 October 2020 17: 52
                +7
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                So the size of the UAV seems to be not the size of a strategic bomber.

                KMW Smart Camp Defense
                https://topwar.ru/77190-proekt-kmw-smart-camp-defence.html

                Using not even anti-aircraft guns, but 155-mm field artillery self-propelled guns.
                And not into a rather large drone, but into mortar mines
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 1 October 2020 17: 43
      +5
      Roll out and burn up with whole batteries. Look, only the calculations have time to scatter.


      By the way, pay attention to the striking difference with Syria - 100% of the video if for a stationary position, then everything is well dug. In Syria, they beat me in an open field. However, the +/- results are similar to those of modern weapons.
      1. borberd
        borberd 1 October 2020 19: 11
        +2
        Orbiters fly in flocks.

  • nod739
    nod739 1 October 2020 17: 05
    -3
    And in response, presumably, Azerbaijan will burn at the NPP
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 October 2020 17: 07
    +6
    Pashinyan did not think that the air defense needed to be improved in the face of new threats.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 1 October 2020 17: 17
      11
      Pashinyan was smart.
      I thought
      Zagrani ... Soros will help us.
      Deflections and money do not solve everything.
      Pashinyan deserved a kick in the ass.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 1 October 2020 17: 46
      11
      Pashinyan has been at the helm for 2 years, and before that Serzh Sargsyan had been sitting for 10 years. Under him (Sargsyan) there was the first bell in 2016, when kamikaze drones had already flown in and heaps of drones were lit up, which pointed the art and MLRS in position.
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  • Bully
    Bully 1 October 2020 17: 13
    +1
    Why don't Armenians use SU-30 against drones? From the air cannon - cheap and cheerful. Apparently, it is impossible for some reason
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 1 October 2020 17: 55
      +6
      The Su-30 will run out very quickly. Especially if you go out to the gun. For Aliyev has such toys.



      In general, Aliyev's air defense is quite good against aircraft. He bought it thoroughly, and from the ROE, and Bat'ki, he upgraded Buki.
      1. Bully
        Bully 1 October 2020 20: 55
        0
        Well, then there remains a sabotage war in the rear
      2. Bully
        Bully 1 October 2020 20: 55
        +1
        Well, then there remains a sabotage war in the rear
  • Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 17: 13
    -3
    While all experts write practicing their eloquence, today, 01.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX, another pair of Osa air defense systems was destroyed.


    PS I wonder why Hovhannesyan, the press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry, knocked down as many as THREE today !!! Azerbaijani aircraft (Turkish F-16 ended in the shopping center "World of toys" sad ), slipper, boot, bunch or from MANPADS at a height of 8-9 thousand meters?
    Or maybe he just exhale, what do you think?
    1. saigon
      saigon 1 October 2020 18: 52
      +5
      But I was interested in another aspect, a little overlooked by the enthusiasm for unmanned success.
      Where, where does one ask for victorious reports and reports on successful offensives of mighty tank wedges?
      As it is not noticeably gone into the shadows of the mighty advancing columns and at the moment the success against the air defense is heard.
      I suspect the defense has been punched through, rested and now I'm starting to create legends.
  • maktub
    maktub 1 October 2020 17: 14
    -10 qualifying.
    There was a video where a kamikaze drone destroys an Armenian "repellent" lol
    1. Dr khorne
      Dr khorne 1 October 2020 17: 30
      +3
      There was a blow to the burned-out one - at https://lostarmour.info/ you can find a video in the discussion, everything is clearly visible there. Either they covered it with artillery, or a UAV, but there is no video showing the attack on the whole complex.
      1. maktub
        maktub 1 October 2020 17: 40
        -8
        Why strike at the burned-out one?
        1. Dr khorne
          Dr khorne 1 October 2020 17: 45
          +7
          I think it's just a mistake of the UAV operator, I didn't see it, as well as other mistakes - there is a video where kamikaze drones fall into dummies of the WASP and not into real ones - it can be seen well, although Azerbaijanis really destroyed a lot of real OS in Karabakh.
        2. Garris199
          Garris199 2 October 2020 23: 46
          0
          To later scream on the Internet, see Drone killed the electronic warfare intended to fight him. Russian weapons fuflo, Turkey is a galactic superpower.
  • Dr khorne
    Dr khorne 1 October 2020 17: 15
    +3
    Explain then please to an amateur why in Libya, where there is no systemic air defense, there were more than 20 Turkish UAVs, and in Syria about 10. Infa - https://lostarmour.info/. And the Wasps are old stuff from the 70s. By the way, even from this old stuff, the Armenians managed to shoot down Israeli drones - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhgSIgOA_v0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZg5ZD041V4. And yet the UAV is a wunderwaffe or not ???
    1. huntsman650
      huntsman650 1 October 2020 21: 40
      0
      Each zrk has its own purpose. OCA is not for drones. The main task is the fight against PCR.
  • pytar
    pytar 1 October 2020 17: 30
    15
    However, the Azerbaijani side is silent about the number of losses in the same drones that it suffered due to the use of various modifications by the Armenian side of air defense systems.

    However, for some reason, the author is silent that the shot down drone turns into just fragments, but after each equipment struck by it on the ground, apart from fragments and ... corpses, remain. UAVs are riveted, but dead soldiers cannot be returned! No.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 1 October 2020 17: 33
    +3
    It is strange that the Armenians do not mask more thoroughly.
    from 8 km it is not so easy to spot the target.
  • Megatron
    Megatron 1 October 2020 17: 42
    +3
    UAVs are only money, and they kill people pretty well.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 17: 45
    +4
    Quote: yehat2
    It is strange that the Armenians do not mask more thoroughly.
    from 8 km it is not so easy to spot the target.

    The fact is that a drone carrying missiles, kamikaze UAVs, they do not appear at a specific point just like that, reconnaissance UAVs with more advanced equipment work before them, of which Azerbaijan has a lot, since they have been produced under an Israeli license for more than 10 years. goes to hundreds.

    The Osa air defense system or the same tank, these are large targets, with any movement they reveal themselves, even with advance preparation of shelters or reconnaissance of the route and the use of natural shelters and folds of the terrain, you just need to start the movement as such, as they are detected by the reconnaissance UAV equipment, both strike UAVs and kamikaze UAVs are in the air at the same time, they only need to receive target designation. If in one of the videos, you can see how gouging fighters got out in a crowd to smoke in the trench, then what can we say about the Wasp or T-72 and their signature ...

    There is a lot of talk about UAV Bayraktar, about Turkish operators, etc., but the UAV Bayraktar in the Azerbaijani Armed Forces is minuscule, there are more more advanced Israeli-made strike UAVs.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 1 October 2020 18: 41
      0
      Quote: VictorM
      more advanced Israeli-made strike UAVs.

      Of all the posts, only you paid attention and for good reason.
      "We use Israeli unmanned aerial vehicles to collect intelligence and attacks. Including the Harop kamikaze drones," said adviser to the President of Azerbaijan Hikmat Hajib.
  • Old26
    Old26 1 October 2020 17: 49
    +3
    Quote: Thrall
    Each tricky bolt has its own tricky nut (censored version of the saying)
    Suddenly, Armor with more than sufficient target hitting height can appear in NCR.

    And where will they be drawn from there? Will Karabakh people take pencils and felt-tip pens and draw them? And you probably don't need to study? So after all, "Shell" is not a slingshot.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 October 2020 17: 51
    -16 qualifying.
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Quote: Thrall
    Unexpectedly, Armor can be drawn in NCR

    Will not help. For protection, you need to deploy Pantsiri, Buk, S400, Su-30 \ 35, aircraft with electronic warfare, Su-24 \ 34 for strikes deep into the territory, rescue helicopters, their own UAVs, ground units for protection. In short, we need 2-3 bases of Khmeimim. After that, protection from air threats will appear. None of this works in isolation.

    What are you writing nonsense? Drones are plastic, they cannot be detected by radar and destroyed. Any system is still useless. So is it worth worrying about the loss of the Wasp?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 October 2020 18: 03
      +9
      Quote: imobile2008
      What are you writing nonsense? Drones are plastic, they cannot be detected by radar and destroyed

      laughing laughing laughing
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 October 2020 22: 23
        +3
        Why laugh at once? It looks like the person in the nickname has a year of birth written.
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 19: 10
        0
        Yes, the clown cho .... Well there was some kind of blurt out ... "Impossible to detect with the radar", Bgg!
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 October 2020 17: 52
    10
    The picture is the same in Idlib, in Libya, in Karabakh.
    Missile air defense short-range, which is designed to cover the troops
    (or long-range air defense), unable to defend itself
    from drone attacks and loitering ammunition.
    Carapace and Wasps are the weak link in the defense.
    It's time to acknowledge this and draw conclusions.
    1. Dr khorne
      Dr khorne 1 October 2020 17: 58
      +3
      Do you want to say that all air defense produced in the Russian Federation is incapacitated or that, in principle, air defense should be different in order to fight drones? Please give me an example of how it should be, which is capable of fighting drones as a specialist.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 October 2020 18: 04
        13
        Air defense should be different.
        How? They don't know in Israel either. But others must appear
        means that destroy drones, kamikaze drones, planning bombs.
        That which is, either works badly, or - "from a cannon to the sparrows."
        We were shot down by small but high-altitude reconnaissance drones from the Patriot.
        But this is absurd.
        ---
        We are developing a small interceptor drone. He must
        neutralize (blind, disconnect) or destroy the enemy's drone and return.
        It has mini percussion tools on it.
        1. Dr khorne
          Dr khorne 1 October 2020 18: 08
          +2
          Thank you for your answer, the Armenians, as I understand it, are very bad with "guns" and there are a lot of "sparrows".
        2. saigon
          saigon 1 October 2020 18: 38
          +3
          That is, together we are sliding down to the light-engine aviation of the middle of the century, as a means of countering modern technologies?
          Everything around the circle is returning, a relatively light aircraft with good speed and machine guns based on new technology, or canned artillery and radio-controlled fuses.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 1 October 2020 18: 47
            +4
            I'm afraid you misunderstood. An interceptor drone is
            not a light plane. It does not take off from the runway, but is fired
            into the sky from a movable platform. He himself must be inconspicuous
            for radars. It should be very light, no machine guns with their
            recoil will not work. In general, this is a non-trivial task.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 1 October 2020 19: 02
              -3
              Alternatively arm the APKWS (controlled Hydra 70). Recently, an imitation of a CD was shot down, albeit with an F16. It seems that they put it on the UAV. MSDM may be delivered in the future.
            2. saigon
              saigon 1 October 2020 19: 03
              0
              Well, I confess I exaggerated the situation a little, but in recent years, they rely too much on new technologies and do not look for simple solutions.
              And to think about what the plane is bad for these purposes? Moreover, it is with a piston engine and modern technologies.
              I suspect that another robotic device is being driven to counter one drones, and then a defender drone is also used to protect against interceptor robots.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 1 October 2020 19: 08
                +3
                "And to think about why the plane is bad for these purposes?" ////
                ----
                The fact that the same Armor and Wasps shoot down such targets effortlessly.
                They were designed to destroy helicopters and low-flying
                stormtroopers.
                And in the last decade we ran into stealthy drones and kamikadze ...
                1. Astra55
                  Astra55 1 October 2020 22: 04
                  +7
                  And in my amateurish opinion, drones of course now rule. Modern air defense against them is ineffective. And here it is not worth chasing every single flying bot, you still cannot catch everyone. Here you need weapons of mass destruction against robots. What are they afraid of? How can you burn out their brains without taking aim?
                  Does anyone have an Electro-Magnetic Bomb in their bins?
              2. pytar
                pytar 1 October 2020 22: 24
                +2
                I suspect that another robotic device is being driven to counter one drones, and then a defender drone is also used to protect against interceptor robots.

                The era of robots has arrived. Many did not notice, but robots are already here! Soon creatures with artificial intelligence will be on the ground, in the sky and in the water ... Whoever has more "gigabytes", he will win. By the way, the robotic has long been plowing the Cosmos, at distances unattainable for humans and under conditions absolutely unsuitable for life! yes
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 1 October 2020 22: 55
                  +2
                  General Atomics says it has tested its Sparrowhawk, a new small drone that can launch and return in flight in a UAV.
                  UAV on UAV, UAV drives

            3. Garris199
              Garris199 2 October 2020 23: 59
              0
              Why light? Why can't there be an interceptor the size of a bayraktar or a predator? With machine guns and BVB missiles.
        3. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 1 October 2020 18: 38
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          We are developing a small interceptor drone.

          We too...
          1. FenH
            FenH 2 October 2020 07: 39
            0
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Quote: voyaka uh
            We are developing a small interceptor drone.

            We too..

            It remains to throw it up 8 km, the bikers do not fly low, and so far it's a raven to scare hi
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 2 October 2020 09: 41
              +1
              Quote: FenH
              , bikers do not fly low, and so far it's a raven to scare

              I draw your attention to the fact that you did not notice ...: this is an Experimental Prototype (!) ... Demonstrator of the Concept ... (as our "favorite" General Secretary said: the main thing is to start!) hi
            2. Garris199
              Garris199 3 October 2020 00: 07
              -1
              For such an expensive toy as a bayraktar, you can spend a BUK missile and an explosive fighter missile. At least 8 km, it will fly, at least even higher.
        4. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 1 October 2020 22: 00
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          How? They don't know in Israel either. But others must appear
          means that destroy drones, kamikaze drones, planning bombs.

          A big problem is the detection of drones, enough weapons, a laser, a guided projectile, a missile. But all this is very expensive, and there are a lot of them in the ground version. Another problem in the theater of operations, ground-based radars in the mountains are useless. Therefore, drone fighters should be airborne, ground-based in especially dangerous sectors of the front.
          You have an extremely difficult situation in Israel and it is rare indeed. You are under constant terrorist threat, the front is huge, the enemy is striking from anywhere, losses among the population are unacceptable.
          1. pytar
            pytar 1 October 2020 23: 34
            +3
            Therefore, drone fighters should be airborne, ground-based in especially dangerous sectors of the front.

            Exactly! You are 100% right! good Accordingly, we reach the war of robots against robots! Some drones will fight other drones! Robots on the ground, in the air, on water and under water, and in space! hi In the moment there is a revolution in military affairs.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 1 October 2020 23: 42
              +1
              Quote: pytar
              Some drones will fight other drones!

              Better right away in virtual reality. They downloaded the data, fought a hundred battles, recognized who the winner was and dispersed on this.
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 1 October 2020 19: 57
      0
      Oh, God's chosen ones boast of victories over the air defense of half a century ago?
      As for the Armor, the gaskets there (the operators), in Libya, were below the plinth, with the same success it was possible to plant monkeys.
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 19: 10
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Carapace and Wasps are the weak link in the defense.
      It's time to acknowledge this and draw conclusions.


      Stupidity is contagious ...
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 9 October 2020 11: 01
      0
      Being illiterate is a bad fighter.
      The Syrians are accustomed to fighting without an umbrella, for the lack of the need for such, as a result, faced with the Turks in Idlib in the first day or two, they shook off the Turks, not childishly. Then they immediately corrected themselves and pulled up Buki and Pantsyri, reliably knocked down 2 Anki and 3 Bayraktar. 1-2 Armor were damaged, and it was more from art that all Turkish successes ended ...
      Libya is much more fun. The Khafftarians reliably lost 1 Armor captured, the second was hit in the hangar and burned down. Another 3-5 Armor were probably hit. To this day, it has not been reliably confirmed. The photo of the wreckage was not and is not .. But in the same period in Libya, at least 20 BAIRAKTARS were reliably lost
      Sources Lostarmor and Aviation Safety Network.
      Carapace and Wasps are the weak link in the defense.

      The first is just stupidity, ultra-small UAVs are hit by missiles. With guns yes a problem, STILL PROBLEM OF THE PANTSYR METEO-DEPENDENCE. Thor brings down everything, from the word in general. But there missiles are twice as expensive as those of Pantsyr.
      I agree with Wasp, which, however, is not surprising. However, if the Armenians were not idiots and instead of buying the by the way senseless Su-30SM they drove the same Wasps through the modernist style on Tetraeder, there would be fewer problems.
      However, there is a reliable video with the defeat of the Wasp of Orbiter.
      THE PROBLEM OF KARABAKH AT MY LOOK IN THE WIDE APPLICATION of ultra-small and small UAVs for issuing control units to ground-based missile launchers (ATGMs) of the Spike type, although the bell was 4 years ago, and for adjusting artillery fire, including guided missiles.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 1 October 2020 17: 56
    +4
    Who is talking about what!
    And whoever will remember the main thing?
    What did the Armenian leadership consider important to have ??? The biggest striped embassy !!! Yes, and a bunch of litters in all government structures!
    Now they have a natural result and .......
    For what they jumped in the squares, they got it !!!
    I just want to write "Well, son, did your la / X / y help you, the Yankees or someone else there ???
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 October 2020 17: 58
    -1
    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Spade
    UAV Azerbaijani

    Yeah, Turkish made, sent from Turetchina

    Yeah, Turkish, half a year ago, here the "urakryakalki" shouted that Erdogan bablishko was sawing, making unnecessary crafts, but it looks like ...
  • Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 18: 01
    -4
    Quote: Dr Khorne
    There was a blow to the burned-out one - at https://lostarmour.info/ you can find a video in the discussion, everything is clearly visible there. Either they covered it with artillery, or a UAV, but there is no video showing the attack on the whole complex.
    In one case, the air defense missile system has quite a working "burned out" antenna, in the second, "burned out" missiles detonated.
    Or did they write about the tank?
  • Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 18: 07
    -7
    Quote: rocket757
    Who is talking about what!
    And whoever will remember the main thing?
    What did the Armenian leadership consider important to have ??? The biggest striped embassy !!! Yes, and a bunch of litters in all government structures!
    Now they have a natural result and .......
    For what they jumped in the squares, they got it !!!
    I just want to write "Well, son, did your la / X / y help you, the Yankees or someone else there ???
    The Yankees would have helped, yes, the elections, and before that "Black lives matter" - the current leadership of Armenia played out of habit with provocations, not taking into account the whole situation, that the circumstances are very convenient for Azerbaijan, which he did not fail to take advantage of, answering this time on complete.
    Hitting the civilian population so much, making a mess, killing several senior officers, and then the cast-iron idol would have answered.

    Now played again. They hammer on settlements, Azerbaijani troops in the Fizuli direction from the territory of Armenia itself, believing that there they are covered by the CSTO, but firstly, Azerbaijan has already struck a retaliatory strike there once after several warnings, and secondly, today the Armenian grief, the missilemen also managed missed to hit Iran, as a result of which a 6-year-old child was killed ... As a result, Iran refused to transit military cargo to Armenia through its territory - that's it, it's a comedy, Armenia is in a ring and who is to blame? - clearly not Azerbaijan, he had asked Iran to cut off supplies a hundred times before, but he was quietly sent ...
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 October 2020 18: 09
    -10 qualifying.
    Quote: Dr Khorne
    Do you want to say that all air defense produced in the Russian Federation is incapacitated or that, in principle, air defense should be different in order to fight drones? Please give me an example of how it should be, which is capable of fighting drones as a specialist.

    Finally, it reaches people! Hurray, I've been writing about this for over 5 years now:
    1. Plastic cannot be detected by radar!
    2. Electronics cannot be burned out by means of electronic warfare!
    3 AI drones will be 1000 times more efficient!
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 1 October 2020 18: 22
      +2
      5 years recently registered
    2. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 1 October 2020 19: 54
      +5
      Quote: imobile2008
      Finally, it reaches people! Hurray, I've been writing about this for over 5 years now:
      1. Plastic cannot be detected by radar!

      Read at least one book about radars)))))) And there is iron ?!)))
      Answer one question.
      Is there iron in a flock of ducks ???
      However, their radars see ........
      1. Sasha_rulevoy
        Sasha_rulevoy 2 October 2020 05: 04
        0
        Quote: Ramzaj99
        Answer one question.
        Is there iron in a flock of ducks ???
        However, their radars see ........


        But what about the plastic covers over the antennas on the plane?
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 October 2020 18: 18
    -12 qualifying.
    But what should I worry about Armenia or Azerbaijan. There was an article a few days ago. There "urakryakalki" fell on the nuclear umbrella. And the Turks with the aizers showed how ballistic missiles would be shot down at the start. That is, plastic is not visible for radars, they will glare over the supposed take-off points and when the rocket takes off they will destroy it. It's good that not on your mistakes, there is a chance to learn
  • svoit
    svoit 1 October 2020 18: 28
    +3
    This "gap" allows the UAV to approach

    That is, the only problem is the missile range in height?
    Are there any other problems?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 1 October 2020 18: 31
    -1
    UAV is for the wars of banana states. It is enough to know their nest and shandrack there with all the proletarian hatred. Accuracy of 1 sq. Km for unconventional ammunition, I think is enough. recourse
    1. imobile2008
      imobile2008 1 October 2020 18: 36
      -8
      Quote: tralflot1832
      UAV is for the wars of banana states. It is enough to know their nest and shandrack there with all the proletarian hatred. Accuracy of 1 sq. Km for unconventional ammunition, I think is enough. recourse

      Drones don't need a nest, they can start from any platform, some don't even need a platform.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 October 2020 20: 11
        0
        The nest from which orders for the use of drones are issued. Pentagon, in Europe like a / b Ramstein.
    2. fn34440
      fn34440 1 October 2020 18: 36
      0
      A military aircraft that arrived from Israel delivered to the Azerbaijani military systems capable of destroying the S-300 positional areas.

      According to Israeli information resources, the Il-76 military transport aircraft, which arrived in Azerbaijan from Israel a few hours ago, delivered several systems capable of fighting the deployed S-300 positional areas to the armament of the Azerbaijani army. According to unconfirmed reports, the Azerbaijani army received these systems free of charge, in order to test the capabilities of countering the S-300 air defense systems, and, probably, the S-400, if Yerevan requests these complexes from Russia.

      According to preliminary data, we are talking about the "Harpy" system, which is a mobile complex capable of launching several kamikaze drones, which are aimed at the target using air defense radars.
      About 20% of Israel's military-industrial complex products are purchased by Azerbaijan.
      Up to 40% of the peninsula of Israeli drones are exported to Azerbaijan. Israel is the world leader in the peninsula of attack drones.
      All drones-kamikaze, destroying MANPADS-non-Turkish.
      And Armenia, and writes them down at its own expense as downed. Sur.
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 20: 44
      0
      Not this way. UAV of Male type yes (for clarity, an example is Bayraktar TB2). The apparatus is purely police-terrorist. By the way, these are used by American terrorists for political assassinations. Any air defense system will dump it into the lung. But for normal combat operations on land, it is precisely the UAVs of the army tactical level, small and ultra-small class, which serve to adjust artillery fire and the use of tactical guided missiles, are needed.
  • Pavel Patrashov
    Pavel Patrashov 1 October 2020 18: 38
    +1
    This technique is 60 years old !!!!
  • Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 18: 46
    -4
    Quote: tralflot1832
    UAV is for the wars of banana states. It is enough to know their nest and shandrack there with all the proletarian hatred. Accuracy of 1 sq. Km for unconventional ammunition, I think is enough. recourse
    That's right, it's easier to burn a hornet's nest than to fight wasps.
    The most vulnerable point is communication, without it it is impossible to manage anything. Is the communication system transmitting a signal? - it emits, according to its characteristics it is determined what it is, and where it is, and the blow is delivered. But for this there must be quality parity - the level of training, the availability of systems.
    The Armenians said it was a fake, but just tried to strike the OTRK Tochka-U at the control points, but "I didn't, I didn't." But at the same time, Azerbaijan, for example, methodically destroys the command posts of the Armenian Armed Forces, starting from the battalion, according to the same principle and quite successfully.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 October 2020 18: 54
    +2
    ((( Bayraktar TB2 is capable of carrying four such missiles and strikes from a height to 8,5 km. At the same time, the "ceiling" of the height for the target that the Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system is capable of destroying is 7400 meters. In other words, Turkish-made drones have a "reserve" in height before Soviet-made air defense systems ))) I do not know where the author got this "valuable" information, but in the performance characteristics of the air defense missile systems "Osa-AKM" means: incl. range - 10 km; up to an altitude of 5 km ...! Only once, I met Old 7 km in height, but this concerned the complex, modernized in the post-Soviet period and not "with us"!
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 20: 47
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      , but the performance characteristics of the Osa-AKM air defense missile systems read: nakl. range - 10 km; up to an altitude of 5 km ...! Only once, I met Old 7 km in height, but this concerned the complex, modernized in the post-Soviet period and not "with us"!

      These are not the parameters of the range and height of destruction, but the distant grones of the affected area in height and range. The maximum lifting height of the missile defense system may well reach 7 km. Now I don't remember these parameters.
  • kitpit
    kitpit 1 October 2020 18: 57
    +2
    Instead of SU 30, it would be better to buy a bunch of BUK, TOP and Pantsir, plus electronic warfare and whatever from the Iranians and Chinese from drones. The Armenians completely ignored the Syrian experience.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 October 2020 18: 58
    -7
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    5 years recently registered

    And ten years ago he wrote that private space would destroy the state space because of its high efficiency, when there were first launches, but on a different resource. The comments were horrible. Now they look like suckers, time has dropped them! True on another forum. And here I was banned, for the fact that I zealously smashed "urakryakalok"
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 20: 49
      0
      Uryakalka, MASK is by no means a private shop but the face of a very serious state project. No more than that.
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 1 October 2020 19: 11
    +3
    While the drones are singing hosannas, I would like to ask - when will the victorious Azerbaijan announce its losses.
    1. serzh.kost
      serzh.kost 1 October 2020 19: 36
      +1
      no losses! (Tymchuk) And how much bragging! we yes we are! got bogged down in a positional one, washed themselves with blood for a piece of land, and how many victorious reports! and the truth is on their side! and the fact that terrorists are brought in from Syria and Libya and the fact that in fact the military operation is completely led by the Turkish General Staff are modestly silent.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 20: 50
      0
      I suppose the losses of the opponents of the Armenians at the moment are many times higher.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 19: 22
    -3
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Quote: VictorM
    more advanced Israeli-made strike UAVs.

    Of all the posts, only you paid attention and for good reason.
    "We use Israeli unmanned aerial vehicles to collect intelligence and attacks. Including the Harop kamikaze drones," said adviser to the President of Azerbaijan Hikmat Hajib.

    In principle, in one place, everything is already clear.
    Quote: fn34440
    A military aircraft that arrived from Israel delivered to the Azerbaijani military systems capable of destroying the S-300 positional areas.

    According to Israeli information resources, the Il-76 military transport aircraft, which arrived in Azerbaijan from Israel a few hours ago, delivered several systems capable of fighting the deployed S-300 positional areas to the armament of the Azerbaijani army. According to unconfirmed reports, the Azerbaijani army received these systems free of charge, in order to test the capabilities of countering the S-300 air defense systems, and, probably, the S-400, if Yerevan requests these complexes from Russia.

    According to preliminary data, we are talking about the "Harpy" system, which is a mobile complex capable of launching several kamikaze drones, which are aimed at the target using air defense radars.
    About 20% of Israel's military-industrial complex products are purchased by Azerbaijan.
    Up to 40% of the peninsula of Israeli drones are exported to Azerbaijan. Israel is the world leader in the peninsula of attack drones.
    All drones-kamikaze, destroying MANPADS-non-Turkish.
    And Armenia, and writes them down at its own expense as downed. Sur.

    Most likely a fake with an unobtrusive advertisement and an announcement of a new sample.
    Azerbaijan has more than enough Harop strike UAVs, precisely and primarily designed to destroy air defense systems. Taking into account the number of destroyed military air defense systems, if the S-300 is only transferred to Azerbaijan from Armenia, it will be naked like a falcon and immediately destroyed, which, by the way, was announced in Baku, as soon as Armenia had to turn down one of the S-300 complexes and he left on the march. They graze him and he is already a death bomber from the very beginning.

    And the Il-76 most likely delivered the missiles to the already existing attack UAVs, whose merits the Armenian leadership attributes to the Bayraktar in order to expose Turkey as a third party to the conflict, and the experts are replicating the grief. Consumption judge for yourself what, so many targets were destroyed.
    1. Ali
      Ali 1 October 2020 21: 40
      -1
      Quote: VictorM
      Most likely a fake with an unobtrusive advertisement and an announcement of a new sample.
      Azerbaijan has more than enough Harop strike UAVs, precisely and primarily designed to destroy air defense systems. Taking into account the number of destroyed military air defense systems, if the S-300 is only transferred to Azerbaijan from Armenia, it will be naked like a falcon and immediately destroyed, which, by the way, was announced in Baku, as soon as Armenia had to turn down one of the S-300 complexes and he left on the march. They graze him and he is already a death bomber from the very beginning.

      VictorM (Victor0. Wrong .:
      The S-300PM will detect a Bayraktar TB2 with an image intensifier tube = 0,5 m2 at a distance of D = 166,125 km in free space, and then the drone will be destroyed in the range of anti-aircraft missiles. True, there is one thing, but it makes no sense to shoot down drones with such large missiles. It will be easier to use the Pantsir-S1 air defense system with the S-300PM in a bundle of multilevel air defense.
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 1 October 2020 22: 33
        +2
        Quote: Ali
        The S-300PM will detect a Bayraktar TB2 with an image intensifier tube = 0,5 m2 at a distance of D = 166,125 km in free space, and then the drone will be destroyed in the range of anti-aircraft missiles. True, there is one thing, but it makes no sense to shoot down drones with such large missiles. It will be easier to use the Pantsir-S1 air defense system with the S-300PM in a bundle of multilevel air defense

        The exact stage of work on Mini Hapry is currently unknown. (2019). It should be noted that the commercial for the project has already made a lot of noise. The fact is that one of the targets of the UAV from the video was a kind of radar, suspiciously similar to a component of the Russian anti-aircraft missile system. The painted "Mini-Harpy" easily coped with this goal, for which she immediately received the nickname "S-300 Killer" from the press.
        https://topwar.ru/154495-barrazhirujuschie-boepripasy-semejstva-iai-harpy-izrail.html

        As you already know in Israel there is only one step from computer to production.
        At the Aero India 2019 exhibition, the Israeli company IAI for the first time presented a new loitering ammunition of the Harpy family. And it is quite possible that it is being tested in Azerbaijan.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 20: 54
          0
          The drawn "Mini-harpy" easily coped with this goal, for which she immediately received the nickname "S-300 Killer" from the press.

          The videos will endure everything. And the Syrian air defense systems destroyed by the Israeli Air Force, we somehow counted. Even taking into account all the wretchedness of the state of Syrian air defense, both in terms of technology, and in terms of the level of personnel at the moment, the real successes of the Air Force on Twitter, oh sorry Israel are SMALL AND rarely receive confirmation.
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 1 October 2020 21: 45
      +2
      Quote: VictorM
      Most likely a fake with an unobtrusive advertisement and an announcement of a new sample.

      At the Aero India 2019 exhibition, the Israeli company IAI for the first time presented a new loitering ammunition of the Harpy family. In the new project IAI combined all previously used surveillance tools. Mini Harpy carries an optoelectronic unit and an electronic reconnaissance system that allows you to identify and attack any targets, including enemy radar... Control is carried out from the operator's panel, while some of the tasks are assigned to automation.
      Well, to make it completely clear, another quote
      Last week, several transport planes from Azerbaijan landed at the airport at the Ovda Air Force Base in southern Israel. A few hours later, the transport workers flew back to Azerbaijan. It is believed that a new shipment of weapons from Israel could be on board. However, Hikmat Hajib said: “I don’t think this flight is necessarily related to the current fighting. We also have trade relations: a lot of ordinary goods, such as fruits and vegetables, are transported from country to country. These are not necessarily flights with military equipment.” ...
      When asked again why the planes had landed at the Air Force Base in Uvda, Hajib replied: “Okay, maybe. These planes may also have military equipment. This is part of a long-term cooperation with Israel.
      Earlier, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said that his country had signed long-term contracts with Israel for the purchase of weapons worth $ 5 billion.
  • Maz
    Maz 1 October 2020 19: 51
    +4
    Quote: Boris Chernikov
    in this case, it is cheaper to hit the airfields with anti-aircraft missiles from the S-300 or Iskander ..

    damage from such a zhakh will be repaired within a day, the maximum that will hit the heels of the aircraft.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 October 2020 20: 08
    -7
    Quote: Ramzaj99
    Quote: imobile2008
    Finally, it reaches people! Hurray, I've been writing about this for over 5 years now:
    1. Plastic cannot be detected by radar!

    Read at least one book about radars)))))) And there is iron ?!)))
    Answer one question.
    Is there iron in a flock of ducks ???
    However, their radars see ........

    Rare nonsense. Then radars would be useless. Thousands of birds would render them useless. Some of our radars are covered with a plastic cap, they do not notice from this, while there is no rain. It all depends on the range. But the fact is, plastic drones are invisible!
    1. agoran
      agoran 1 October 2020 21: 40
      +2
      "Plastic drones are invisible!"
      Come on, make a plastic drone engine.
      Yeah and gear, for 15 minutes, have fun.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 October 2020 20: 10
    -4
    Quote: kitpit
    Instead of SU 30, it would be better to buy a bunch of BUK, TOP and Pantsir, plus electronic warfare and whatever from the Iranians and Chinese from drones. The Armenians completely ignored the Syrian experience.

    I don’t think they bought something that Russia gave for free, so they took it. China requires money like others
  • svoit
    svoit 1 October 2020 20: 32
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    And the system is the system. She keeps our bases safe. Effectively.

    Unfortunately, we have to doubt the effectiveness. There were reports of low efficiency and armor and tori ... and against what - against the semi-handicraft UAVs of the long-defeated ISIS! When the system is there, it is better than when it is not there, there is no doubt, but it is still unknown how our system will manifest there in the event of a massive raid by normal aircraft (manned and unmanned).
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 1 October 2020 20: 58
    0
    We must bend our designers. We also have quite a few of them. Urgently modify the complex to great heights and ranges. But actually, I want to pick up a nuclear eraser and slightly correct the world map ...
  • svoit
    svoit 1 October 2020 21: 14
    +1
    Quote: serzh.kost
    but the fact that terrorists are imported from Syria and Libya

    It is unlikely that they would have fought right now, most likely they will be protected for two cases
    1 When you need "cannon fodder"
    2 When you need to "clear the territory" of the population
  • agoran
    agoran 1 October 2020 21: 16
    -2
    Very interesting.
    Some resources say that the blablakar aisers have worked on inflatable targets.
    This is about the Sumerians, about the inflatable Armata.
    1. Sasha_rulevoy
      Sasha_rulevoy 2 October 2020 05: 06
      0
      Quote: agoran
      on inflatable targets.


      In the video, the antenna was spinning.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 20: 59
        0
        To make a rotating antenna on the model for me personally an hour of work + search for spare parts at a dump ...
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 October 2020 21: 21
    0
    Quote: svoit

    That is, the only problem is the missile range in height?
    Are there any other problems?


    This is a race of UAV and SAM capabilities.
    Today, UAVs are superior to Wasp in range. Carapace tomorrow. Etc.
    1. agoran
      agoran 1 October 2020 21: 25
      +1
      Death Star tomorrow. Did you take the exam?
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 October 2020 22: 47
    -2
    Quote: agoran
    "Plastic drones are invisible!"
    Come on, make a plastic drone engine.
    Yeah and gear, for 15 minutes, have fun.

    Ceramic - it is almost eternal. Nowadays, a lot is done on electric motors. So they are small and scatter, do not reflect
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 October 2020 23: 22
    +1
    Quote: agoran
    Unified State Exam passed?

    No, just traditional analyzes.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 23: 40
    -2
    Quote: Ali
    Quote: VictorM
    Most likely a fake with an unobtrusive advertisement and an announcement of a new sample.
    Azerbaijan has more than enough Harop strike UAVs, precisely and primarily designed to destroy air defense systems. Taking into account the number of destroyed military air defense systems, if the S-300 is only transferred to Azerbaijan from Armenia, it will be naked like a falcon and immediately destroyed, which, by the way, was announced in Baku, as soon as Armenia had to turn down one of the S-300 complexes and he left on the march. They graze him and he is already a death bomber from the very beginning.

    VictorM (Victor0. Wrong .:
    The S-300PM will detect a Bayraktar TB2 with an image intensifier tube = 0,5 m2 at a distance of D = 166,125 km in free space, and then the drone will be destroyed in the range of anti-aircraft missiles. True, there is one thing, but it makes no sense to shoot down drones with such large missiles. It will be easier to use the Pantsir-S1 air defense system with the S-300PM in a bundle of multilevel air defense.
    I repeat, Azerbaijan's MIZER UAV Bayraktar is in service, a maximum of 6-7 units.

    Once again, Azerbaijan has good relations with Turkey, but it pays MONEY for everything, like Russia at market prices, and does not receive it for thanks. And he did not buy the Bayraktar UAV until the Turks showed its real effectiveness in combat. With all due respect to our Turkish partners, but on the issue of UAVs, they are still quite far from the Israelis, therefore Azerbaijan has licensed production of Israeli vehicles at home. It has been producing them for a long time, before Russia bought a license and started producing them under its own name "Orlan". Azerbaijan has long had its own capabilities and independently prepares UAV operators.
    You are writing about the Bayraktar UAV in the context of the S-300, but we have many other systems and types of UAVs produced by us, our military-industrial complex under license. And they will calmly cope with the S-300 of the Armenian Armed Forces.
    With these Baraktarom already packed. A persistent attempt over and over again to present Azerbaijan as such a vassal of Turkey, this is just Armenian stuff and nothing more. For example, we did not buy MRAP from Turkey, and even before Kazakhstan, we organized the assembly of South African models of mine-protected armored personnel carriers at home. In general, not many weapons are bought from Turkey, it is just beginning to produce modern and competitive systems, but many have not yet been tested by combat, production volumes are small for many, so Azerbaijan does not buy them. Friendship is friendship, but we are a warring country and now we had to fight. The main partners in military-technical cooperation are Russia, Israel, Belarus, Turkey and Ukraine, something was bought in Serbia.

    Today we have our own sufficiently developed and self-sufficient military-industrial complex. We do not need tank building, for example, but we produce light armored vehicles and assault vehicles ourselves. The battles that are currently taking place in the southern and northern directions, they allow the use of heavy equipment, we bought it, in three days on a separate of the directions we hacked the defense that had been prepared for more than a decade, advanced almost 30 km, methodically destroying heavy weapons and air defense systems, after this phase we will have to fight in the mountains and there we will not cover 30 km in 3-4 days, there will be protracted battles, this is the calculation that the military-industrial complex was built on - we produce UAVs (Orbiter -1, -2), off-road vehicles (Kamaz ), mortars (60mm, 82mm), automatic and manual grant launchers (AGS-17/30, RPG-7), single machine guns (PK 7,62x54), light firearms (AK 5,45x39, 7,62x39, pistols 9x19, sniper rifles 7,62 and 12,7) and ammunition to all of the above. All this will be needed in the mountains where battles will last for months.
    We have mastered the repair of the Su-25, a workhorse in the conditions of fighting in the mountains, we have more than a hundred Mi-8 / -17 helicopters. The experience of the war in Afghanistan and Chechnya was taken into account, and it will be implemented after the destruction of almost all the military air defense of the Armenian Armed Forces on the territory of Azerbaijan.

    With regard to the UAV, the experience of Israel was taken into account, first of all, the experience of the United States was analyzed, later the Turkish experience only came.
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 2 October 2020 11: 34
      +1
      Do you think the war will last for several months?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 2 October 2020 00: 39
    -1
    Quote: Thrall
    We need to work hard on this. Modern warfare without effective countermeasures to drones is a thing of the past.

    Citizen "General" - I completely agree, I am ready to carry out any of your orders! lol wassat bully We got the flood marshals! sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 2 October 2020 01: 39
    -2
    Quote: Thrall
    We need to work hard on this. Modern warfare without effective countermeasures to drones is a thing of the past.

    T-a-rishch "major-general" - let me admire you! wassat
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 2 October 2020 01: 40
    +2
    What is there to argue. The Osa-AKM air defense system is of course outdated, Armenia had to take care of supplementing them with more modern Pantsir air defense systems.

    And in my opinion, in general, for defense, air defense systems are needed that were not created on the same platform where the radar and launcher and the crew are all in one place, but spaced apart. That is, the launcher and the radar can be executed in the form of trailers, and the calculation will sit separately in the control car, preferably armored and disguised. In addition, such an air defense system should be able to connect several radars, OLS and several launchers to one control, so that in the event of a defeat of one radar or launcher, it would be possible to enter into battle another installation and destroy an air target.

    And SAMs on one platform are good when attacking, to move quickly and cover the advancing troops.

    Look at Israel's "Iron Dome" something like this and the PU is arranged separately, if it is discovered and hit, then people will not suffer -



    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 October 2020 07: 22
      0
      He is geared towards ballistic targets ... he is unlikely to be able to intercept the Harpy.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 2 October 2020 02: 18
    +2
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    In Syria, the Turks carried out equipment that was not protected by any air defense at all. Then the air defense started working and the tale of the omnipotent drones ended abruptly. Moreover, the Syrians used very limited forces, 4 Armor and 4 Bukas, as they said in our Ministry of Defense. Buki carried bayraktars, and shells covered them from shells and missiles launched against them. Completely balanced air defense system. On the basis of Os and Krugs that the Karabakh people have, it is impossible to do this, with this old Soviet guan instead of air defense, the Azerbaijanis will extinguish the Armenian occupiers from a distance.

    This is not balanced, but mixed, including military air defense - the one that should be in modern conditions of combined arms combat, to cover the combat formations of troops. Judging by the video, the opposing
    the parties are not very successful. sad