Baku said that Armenia may be left without the Osa-AKM air defense system: on the vulnerability of these complexes to Turkish-made strike UAVs

Azerbaijani information sources write that with the intensity of the use of shock drones, which is now, the Armenian side in the next few days may be left without such air defense systems as the Osa air defense system.

In the Karabakh conflict zone, Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile systems are used, data on the exact number of which are in service with the armies of Armenia and the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic does not appear in open sources. At the same time, according to the Azerbaijani side, during the 4 days of the conflict, at least 8 such air defense systems were destroyed, most of them with the help of Turkish-made unmanned aerial vehicles. It's primarily about drums. drones Bayraktar.

Today, the characteristics of Bayraktar are such that most often it remains inaccessible to the Osa air defense system of the Armenian and Karabakh troops.

It is known that the UMTAS ATGM is used to defeat armored vehicles and launchers of air defense systems. The Bayraktar TB2 drone is capable of carrying four such missiles and striking from a height of up to 8,5 km. At the same time, the "ceiling" of the height for a target that the Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system can destroy is 7400 meters. In other words, Turkish-made drones have a "margin" in height before Soviet-made air defense systems. This "gap" allows the UAV to approach such air lines that allow them to effectively attack and destroy not only the mentioned air defense systems themselves, but also the equipment and positions that they cover.

Baku says that "the enemy's air defense system is failing."

Video of Azerbaijani troops:

However, the Azerbaijani side is silent about the number of losses in the same drones that it suffered due to the use of various modifications by the Armenian side of air defense systems.

Comments

[Thrall]

Each tricky bolt has its own tricky nut (censored version of the saying)
Suddenly, Armor with more than sufficient target hitting height can appear in NCR.

[Same lech]

Suddenly, Armor with more than sufficient target hitting height can appear in NCR.

Why on earth? ... what grounds are there for such a conclusion?

[Thrall]

For example, help from the brotherly Syrian people

[Same lech]

And where in a hurry to recruit specialists capable of fighting drones in Turkey?
In Syria, their cat cried.

[Thrall]

We need to work hard on this. Modern warfare without effective countermeasures to drones is a thing of the past.

[ammunition]

Quote: Thrall

We need to work hard on this. Modern warfare without effective countermeasures to drones is a thing of the past.

Plus 100500
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drones that are riveted by tens of thousands because they are cheap .. the worst thing .. because !!!
1) shooting down one or more drones is not a loss but only is the consumption of ammunition. Similar to the consumption of cartridges or projectiles.
2) The effectiveness of drones in killing enemy personnel .. and in destroying his equipment is very high.

[Same lech]

The effectiveness of drones in killing enemy personnel .. and in destroying his equipment is very high.

Yeah from Syria is full of videos when a pair of drone + artillery destroy the target with almost 100 percent accuracy ... the war changes beyond recognition ... the enemy can be hollowed out from a distance without entering into fire contact with him and without fear of a response.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

In Syria, the Turks carried out equipment that was not protected by any air defense at all. Then the air defense started working and the tale of the omnipotent drones ended abruptly. Moreover, the Syrians used very limited forces, 4 Armor and 4 Bukas, as they said in our Ministry of Defense. Buki carried bayraktars, and shells covered them from shells and missiles launched against them. Completely balanced air defense system. On the basis of Os and Krugs that the Karabakh people have, it is impossible to do this, with this old Soviet guan instead of air defense, the Azerbaijanis will extinguish the Armenian occupiers from a distance.

[dorz]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

In Syria, the Turks carried out equipment that was not protected by any air defense at all. Then the air defense started working and the tale of the omnipotent drones ended abruptly.

Air defense and electronic warfare are also overgrown with many legends, myths and fairy tales:

During the hostilities that erupted in connection with the situation around Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijani military destroyed the advanced Russian electronic warfare "Repellent" system, which defended the positions of the Armenian army.

The repellant was eliminated with a strike drone. The electronic warfare system, designed to combat drones, could not detect and drown out the vehicle that attacked it, the cited publication notes.
Source: https://yandex.ru/turbo/argumenti.ru/s/world/2020/10/689994

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Any equipment burns and breaks down during hostilities, planes and drones destroy air defense and vice versa. It also depends on the gasket between the chairs and the consoles and the control handles of those who carry it out. History knows many examples of this. The routine of war.

[standan]

Have you read this nonsense yourself? I quote in full:

During the hostilities that erupted in connection with the situation around Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijani military destroyed the advanced Russian electronic warfare "Repellent" system, which defended the positions of the Armenian army. This is described in the material posted on the pages of online media.

According to the portal Avia.pro, "Repellent" was eliminated with the help of an attack drone. The electronic warfare system, designed to combat drones, could not detect and drown out the vehicle that attacked it, the cited publication notes.

Earlier on Thursday, it was reported that expert Hrachya Arzumanyan voiced an opinion according to which Turkish F-16 planes seen near the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh challenged Russia.

Where are the links to at least some real info?

[My doctor]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Buki carried bayraktars, and shells covered them from shells and missiles launched against them.

shells against projectiles?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: MyVrach

shells against projectiles?

Well, yes, against rockets.

[Niki71]

No need to talk about gua ... that's old, yes, but at one time they were very even! Everything has its time!

[Doliva63]

Quote: The same Lech

The effectiveness of drones in killing enemy personnel .. and in destroying his equipment is very high.

Yeah from Syria is full of videos when a pair of drone + artillery destroy the target with almost 100 percent accuracy ... the war changes beyond recognition ... the enemy can be hollowed out from a distance without entering into fire contact with him and without fear of a response.

Well, this topic is already over 50 years old, I guess. At the border of 70-80. In the USSR Armed Forces, a new icon appeared on the maps - an eight-pointed green star, indicating the place and time of the use of high-precision weapons. And then drones appeared - in each army, a detachment / squadron of UAVs. Maybe sparse, but for that time - an innovation, however. I mean that Syria did not "discover" anything new, just with the collapse of the USSR, military thought "slightly" hung up in our country and we happily invent a primitive bicycle, although grandfather's "Champion-Highway" is still gathering dust in my grandmother's attic. It's sad.

[dauria]

. the enemy can be hammered at a distance without entering into fire contact with him and without fear of a response.

Where is the result? The entrenched infantry decides and decides everything. Yes, we need to think about how to block these couple of kilometers of height from the reconnaissance frames of the Fock-Wulf level 189 of the Second World War. Will be blocked. Find what. It may be necessary to shoot down the spotters by aircraft, as before. And then everything is the old fashioned way. The conquest of air superiority in the area (or at least a draw). Aviation and artillery preparation and support for the attack on the entire depth of the front (as much as 200 km - Armenia will have to be hooked.) And drive your infantry to the slaughter, exchange one for three. The "blitzkrieg" did not work out, and the vaunted UAVs did not help.

It's time to end this massacre for Azerbaijan. Stick. It was necessary to prepare "more thoroughly". It can still retreat keeping the muzzle of the face. Like, Putin and Trump himself were asked.

[K-612-O]

Well, Bayaktars will be more expensive than Winglongs, and no one rivets them in thousands. Harol is certainly simpler and cheaper, but there it can be removed from the machine gun.

[bobba94]

Ukraine last year bought 10 Bayraktar from the Turks. The contract is $ 68 million. Essno, here and that training operators and some of those. accompaniment, but still the amount is rather big.

[mikstepanenko]

Not so cheap, five million green rubles apiece. And tens of thousands, unbend .... A hundred for everything about everything. And Erdogan needs them to close, besides Azerbaijan, also Syria and Libya, and leave something for himself.

[Observer2014]

Quote: mikstepanenko

Not so cheap, five million green rubles apiece. And tens of thousands, unbend .... A hundred for everything about everything. And Erdogan needs them to close, besides Azerbaijan, also Syria and Libya, and leave something for himself.

You imagine life very poorly Accustomed not to put the life of a soldier. Here is your impression of modern warfare. Modern war and life is not a cheap thing. And measured in yo. Would you like to stage the Armenian dances of the soldiers?

[venik]

Quote: ammunition

drones riveted by tens of thousands,

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WHO "rivets" them in tens of thousands, won't you tell me ???
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Quote: ammunition

2) The effectiveness of drones in killing enemy personnel .. and in destroying his equipment is very high.

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Only if the enemy does not have:
- an effective layered air defense system;
- a developed, effective electronic warfare system;
- an RTR system capable of detecting UAV control centers;
- highly qualified personnel capable of servicing these systems.
Then yes! Very effective!

[CSKA]

Quote: ammunition

drones riveted by tens of thousands

It's interesting who rivets the tens of thousands of drone UAVs?

[loki565]

They began to actively use dummies of the Wasp, at least two such targets were hit by kamikaze drones.

[dzvero]

Knowing that a dummy of such quality cannot be done on the knee in a day, the question arises - how much of the equipment knocked out in positions is real iron, and how much is plywood ...

[Misha Honest]

I don't want to upset you, but at the moment, of all the developments of the Russian Federation, only 1 test "shell" of the Russian Federation can at least something against the drones of the Turks .... The rest - with eyes ...

[Anika]

And the Torahs? Or do these bayraktars have very low visibility? Show the destruction of human equipment, where is the Armenian air defense?

[hrych]

The carapace is bold, this is an electronic warfare theme. Why the Armenians did not draw conclusions after the trial use of barrage ammunition is surprising.

[My doctor]

Quote: hrych

The carapace is bold, this is an electronic warfare theme. Why the Armenians did not draw conclusions after the trial use of barrage ammunition is surprising.

Dear, if it doesn't bother you, please clarify to me how you imagine the work of electronic warfare?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: MyVrach

Quote: hrych

The carapace is bold, this is an electronic warfare theme. Why the Armenians did not draw conclusions after the trial use of barrage ammunition is surprising.

Dear, if it doesn't bother you, please clarify to me how you imagine the work of electronic warfare?

No, for him this is a unique magic wand (no), which only has to appear on the battlefield and everyone starts to give up

[hrych]

Have you come to discuss me? Think about why these systems are being developed. For beauty? If so smart, then prove Krasukha's inefficiency, bring intelligence. If you can't, then do something useful do your homework and let the uncles talk and discuss the performance characteristics of the systems.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: hrych

Have you come to discuss me?

No

Quote: hrych

Think about why these systems are being developed.

I thought

Quote: hrych

For beauty?

No

Quote: hrych

If so smart, then prove Krasukha's inefficiency, bring intelligence.

If so smart, prove extraordinary effectiveness. Bring the intelligence.

If you cannot, then do something useful, do your homework and let the uncles talk and discuss the performance characteristics of the systems.

[hrych]

Primates copy people ... According to Krasuha. Come to Krasuha and put your head in the reflector questions by themselves ... will disappear

[Vol4ara]

Quote: hrych

Primates copy people ... According to Krasuha. Come to Krasuha and put your head in the reflector questions by themselves ... will disappear

Copying people is prohibited

[hrych]

For God's sake, I don't mind. Use

[Grits]

Quote: hrych

questions by themselves ... will disappear

With which part of the body?

[hrych]

The one with questions

[Dikson]

Lord .. and why for this Krasuha ??? You can tilt a simple Meteo airfield and fry the entire front line of the enemy ...

[hrych]

Quote: MyVrach

how do you imagine the work of electronic warfare?

Same as you If UAVs and loitering ammunition are essentially radio-controlled devices with tele-guidance, then the work of electronic warfare should concern the disruption of communication of this rubbish with the operator. Television guidance is especially elementary. This is done by blocking the frequencies. When a target is illuminated by a drone and, accordingly, when an ATGM is used, there must be opposition in the IR spectrum. The television camera is the same optical detector and it can and should be illuminated, and not fired from the machine. And the Armenians could throw themselves at the "Krasukha", which jammed the enemy's radio communications up to three hundred kilometers. Ali is wrong?

[Shiden]

I’m wondering what if “Krasukha” flies like “Shrike” again they will write a hands-on calculation, I’m not of Russian nationality. So electronic warfare is not a miracle weapon for which you pray so much. But the RTR is here, but the principle of operation is based on passive scanning of frequencies and direction finding of outgoing signals.

[hrych]

I don’t pray. Russia is a nuclear country with an entire lineup and suddenly wants to fight with the Shraykovodami, it will burn these along with the electronics. Without nuclear weapons, we have something to suppress the shriek leaders with Calibers, Iskanders and aviation from Strategic, long-range bombers to front-line bombers, a thousand kilometers from the distance of the shriek of the shrykovod. Without entering the zone of action of the shray leaders. For the Shrike operates at 50 km, the S-400 carrier of the Shrike will land from 400 km. And Krasukha operates for 300 km. For your information. With regards to Karabakh, there are mountains and you can install it in the rear for a couple of hundred kilometers. This is so a note.

[Shiden]

Yes, that's what TV means instead of brains, you never happened to turn on logic. For broadening horizons, the Shrike is the first antiradiation missile developed in the early 50s. And as for the mountains, it's already ridiculous how much we were taught at the Institute of Communications, radio waves can be reflected or attenuated if the source is in a hollow or there is an obstacle in the form of a hill. And why are you so sure that the enemy will act according to your scenario.

[hrych]

He brought his own Shrike. You seem to have brains like Einstein ... weighing I would not put it on the mountain, but on the mountain you have your own wisdom The enemy will apparently act according to your blockbuster script

[Shiden]

"Shrike" I just cited as an example of the fact that there is a weapon that can destroy electronic warfare. The wisdom is that the mountains themselves are a complex relief and, alas, you will not put a station or a radar everywhere. On earth, under the wise leadership of the leader and the party, we will defeat the enemy, but in fact, only near Moscow did the military leaders turn on their brains. So what you wrote is a blockbuster where the enemy is stupid and we will destroy his miracle with weapons in an instant.

[hrych]

If you put something ruffy on top, then raise the radio horizon. Russia and its engineers have seen the development of enemy strike systems in recent decades. And this is the development of stealth technologies, etc. The same Tomahawk can be called a kamikaze drone only more perfect. And this is the main weapon of a disarming strike in the Global Strike Concept. So we had appropriate countermeasures in the development. So this is a Tomahawk, which does not need communication with the operator. And here everything works, it's even better. That's the whole story. Now our EMP cannon has reached 10 km in range. So this is a burning out electronics completely. Here is the corresponding energy level. And it is possible and necessary to deduce radio communication at a faster rate, here the energy level is lower at the same distance and significantly. And if we are talking about an anti-radar missile, then the drone operator should be hit first ...

[Ka-52]

I'm wondering if something like Shrike arrives at the "Krasuha"

no need to idealize the Shrike. This is an old and primitive missile, already out of service, with a bunch of flaws. If you want to jerk off to American anti-radar missiles, then write at least about HARM.

[Shiden]

I'm just amazed and the word "like" has some meaning or should be taken literally. Well, I'll give you an example, paraphrase my quote "I'm wondering if something like" X "arrives at Krasukha. You understand what I wrote or are lost in conjecture. Let me explain the X-55, X-35, X-28 these are missiles but for different purposes, or in order to understand me you need to write ten lines.

[loki565]

Torahs will be more effective than shells, the question is in quantity, UAVs do not fly one at a time, plus they use many false targets up to An2
And so tori for small-sized and group targets work well.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

And where in a hurry to recruit specialists capable of fighting drones in Turkey?

I assume that the number of Russian specialists willing to show their skills in this war will be small. And there are a number of reasons for this.
When creating the CSTO, someone had to ponder a situation in which the position of the parties to the treaty is extremely impartial.

[Stepan S]

Azerbaijan has found specialists for Turkish technology, so the Armenians can find for theirs.

[Buffet]

Did the Armenians help the "brotherly Syrian" people in their time? Well, at least something?

[the finish]

In general, you do not have information if you are asking such a question! They helped. And the only ones with Russia.

[Lopatov]

Quote: finish

In general, you do not have information if you are asking such a question! They helped. And the only ones with Russia.

The Syrians will also help.
They will send one calculation of MANPADS with the condition of its placement only where there are no hostilities.

[Mr.X]

It is already up to the Syrians to decide and not to you!

[Lopatov]

The Syrians have already decided. Don't send anything at all.

[Mr.X]

So so be it.

[Grits]

Quote: Spade

The Syrians have already decided. Don't send anything at all.

It depends on what kind of Syrians. Those on the other side of Assad gladly sent themselves with the help of the Turks.
It's all about motivation.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gritsa

gladly sent themselves with the help of the Turks.

With pleasure?
There wasn't much fun there, I'm afraid. They are well aware that the Turks are actually utilizing them. But you can't trample against a skating rink with a bare heel ...

[My doctor]

Quote: Spade

Quote: finish

In general, you do not have information if you are asking such a question! They helped. And the only ones with Russia.

The Syrians will also help.
They will send one calculation of MANPADS with the condition of its placement only where there are no hostilities.

[gurzuf]

So turkey pours its penny to the Armenians. So why not give the Syrians a nickle with Armor. And bhp. will train and teach Armenians to shoot down Turks.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: gurzuf

So why not give the Syrians a nickle with Armor. And bhp. will hold a training session and teach Armenians to shoot down the Turks.

And at whose expense is the banquet? The Syrians have their country in ruins after the civil war.

[yehat2]

8 km is a serious altitude for a serious rocket.
this is at least a torus, beech or wasp, not a shell

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: yehat2

8 km is a serious altitude for a serious rocket.
this is at least a torus, beech or wasp, not a shell

To 15 km.
Pantsir has other problems, judging by Syria. For example, they often indicate his "blindness" on low-speed small targets. Well, the main problem, in my opinion, is that this is an on-site air defense, and the "non-stop" cover of our troops is still assigned to that very Wasp.

[TermNachTer]

From the same place where in Georgia, in 2008, Bandera "beeches" appeared with Bandera calculations. However, there is one misunderstanding in these figures. If "bayraktar" shoots an ATGM from a height of 8 km. + distance on the ground, then what is the firing range of the Turkish missile? 12 km?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Thrall

Unexpectedly, Armor can be drawn in NCR

Will not help. For protection, you need to deploy Pantsiri, Buk, S400, Su-30 \ 35, aircraft with electronic warfare, Su-24 \ 34 for strikes deep into the territory, rescue helicopters, their own UAVs, ground units for protection. In short, we need 2-3 bases of Khmeimim. After that, protection from air threats will appear. None of this works in isolation.

[Thrall]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

None of this works alone.

In Libya, it works more or less.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Thrall

In Libya, it works more or less.

Oh well. The USA, Russia, France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia somehow stopped the advance of the PNS and the Turks.

[Vadim237]

Kamikaze drones will soon teach helicopters to attack.

[garri-lin]

In principle, there are no problems with aiming. Only speed. When you learn to confidently catch up, you can safely apply.

[WeAreNumerOne]

And there will be a repetition of shots from Syria

[kventinasd]

Quote: Thrall

Unexpectedly, Armor can be drawn in NCR

There TOP-M2 also needs Krasukh-type electronic warfare systems. This is where the massive Baypaktarpad will be.

[iouris]

In Transcaucasia, not a war is taking place, but a game of squeezing out the Russian Federation. Consensus.

[Maz]

Anti-aircraft battalion "Buk-M3" has 36 target channels [7]. Like the Buk-M2 air defense system, the new Buk-M3 air defense missile system has an RPN in its composition, which makes it possible to detect a cruise missile at a height of 10 m and a distance of 40 km [8]. The complex is capable of hitting air targets flying at speeds up to 3 km / s at ranges from 2,5 to 70 km and altitudes from 5 m to 35 km.

[Fungus]

In Syria, Turkish drummers beech m2 knocked down like nuts when the Syrians drove them to Idlib. There are a lot of photos and videos. Armenia needs Buki.

[Boris Chernikov]

Let's start with the fact that the photo-cat cried, and in the end, the Turks curtailed the operation when they realized that they would soon run out of UAVs ..

[syndicalist]

Quote: Thrall

Unexpectedly, Armor can be drawn in NCR

Have they stayed somewhere else? In Syria-Libya, the Turks have already clicked about 40 with their drones.

[Fungus]

Of course they stayed. The Libyans still have about 30. Yes, and they clicked in hangars, then on the way, in short, in an inactive position. 9 Carapace.

[TermNachTer]

Write more, why should you feel sorry for the adversaries))))

[uhu189]

Panzeris, unfortunately, are not a panacea in and of themselves. The experience of Syria and Libya has shown this.

[Grits]

Quote: uhu189

Panzeris, unfortunately, are not a panacea in and of themselves. The experience of Syria and Libya has shown this.

The experience of Syria and Libya has shown that the Shell is a device with highly exaggerated and over-advertised capabilities.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Thrall

Suddenly, Armor with more than sufficient target hitting height can appear in NCR.

Shells are unlikely ... I will explain why. Apart from the rest of the air defense, missile defense and electronic warfare, Shells are vulnerable, as the Jews have already proven that they can be crushed by a number of UAVs.
Today, I think, the most effective remedy for UAVs is electronic warfare systems, and in conjunction with various such systems.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: NEXUS

effective remedy for UAVs is electronic warfare systems

I don’t understand one thing, if electronic warfare so easily solves the issue of drones, which is urgent today, then why the same "Krasukha", which has been on sale since the age of 13, is not dismantled like hot cakes? While the same "Armor" is definitely in demand.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

I don’t understand one thing, if electronic warfare so easily solves the issue of drones, which is urgent today, then why the same "Krasukha", which has been on sale since the age of 13, is not dismantled like hot cakes? While the same "Armor" is definitely in demand.

Krasuha has her own specialization. And it is definitely not for the fight against small UAV-kamikaze.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: NEXUS

Krasuha has her own specialization

Well, substitute another, the desired specialization.
I cannot form a clear idea of ​​the capabilities of this type of weapons. Reading the press is such a miracle weapon. Look at the news of conflicts - everywhere missiles and guns on drones are working.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Well, substitute another, the desired specialization.

They will not deliver, since the principles of operation, capabilities, etc. are secret. If such weapons are exported, they will very quickly find an antidote against it.
Yes, some electronic warfare systems are exported, but in a very truncated form, with truncated capabilities, in comparison with the same complexes for our aircraft.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

if electronic warfare so easily solves the current issue of drones,

She decides this among the Uryaklov. It actually complicates the job, nothing more.

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

hot cakes do not make out?

Not needed. Google how many similar systems in the world, I found only the Turks. There are other classes. The most common are electronic warfare aircraft. For electronic suppression and reconnaissance.
Electronic suppression systems appeared before the First World War, there are no special secrets there.

[Ka-52]

Google how many similar systems in the world, I found only the Turks.

all that your Turks have Turkey, after all, is a world expert in the field of electronic countermeasures another connoisseur drew ...

The most common are electronic warfare aircraft. For electronic suppression and reconnaissance.

so for suppression or reconnaissance - sort it out first, Monsieur expert

there are no special secrets there.

But it’s easy for you to live - if you don’t know about something, then it’s not. Absolutely no. I suspect that you still believe that the Earth is flat and rests on three whales.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ka-52

all that your Turks have

Well, give examples of analogues of Rubella and Coral.

Quote: Ka-52

so for suppression or reconnaissance - sort it out first, Monsieur expert

Oh. Do you have a military education? How do you not know what electronic warfare and its components are? You should be ashamed. Well, I'll explain.
Definition:
Electronic warfare is a set of measures and actions of troops coordinated by purpose, tasks, place and time to identify systems and tools control of troops and weapons of air defense and enemy aviation, their electronic suppressionAs well as electronic protection their systems and means of command and control of troops and weapons and counteraction to technical means of reconnaissance of the enemy.
Components of electronic warfare:
Electronic jamming
Electronic protection
Electronic intelligence
Comprehensive technical control

So suppression and reconnaissance are all electronic warfare, and for electronic warfare aircraft these are 2 main tasks, to identify and suppress the enemy's electronic systems. Do you have another alternative opinion?

Quote: Ka-52

But it’s easy for you to live - if you don’t know about something, then it’s not.

Maybe the other way around? Because I know that's why there are no secrets? Radiophysics has been studied extremely well, there were no new discoveries for a long time, its laws are the same for everyone. For the first time, REP was applied in Russia on April 15, 1904. But nevertheless, my professional holiday in education is October 20 and May 7.

[Ka-52]

examples of Rubella and Coral analogs

at least what comes to mind is the American VLQ-12 and its derivatives.

How do you not know what electronic warfare and its components are?

I know that and myself have seen it in action. Unlike your wikipedia knowledge)
only it was about airplanes. Let's imagine the Russian An-50. In theory, his RTK could create induced interference, but it's like hammering nails with a microscope. This is a long-range radio reconnaissance aircraft. Suspended containers with SGRZ type SAP14 are used for jamming (frequency or diversion) directly on combat aircraft

Maybe the other way around? Because I know that's why there are no secrets? Radiophysics has been studied extremely well, there have been no new discoveries for a long time, its laws are the same for everyone.

everyone knows the design of the wheel, and the principle of internal combustion engines, but not every car industry is capable of creating a good self-propelled vehicle that's it, Monsieur astrophysicist

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ka-52

VLQ-12

It is not an analogue of Rubella at all, a completely different type of electronic warfare systems. His task is to escort the columns.

Quote: Ka-52

your wikipedia knowledge)

Why did you offend Colonel Yu. Ovsyannikov, Head of the FVO at SFedU? I quoted him.

Quote: Ka-52

Let's imagine the Russian An-50. In theory, his RTK will be able to create an induced jam

Let's better imagine the electronic warfare aircraft, not the early warning and control aircraft.
EA-18G Growler, An-12PP, Su-30/34/35 with Khibiny. Let's take the latter as an example.
The Khibiny complex includes the following elements:
An electronic intelligence system based on the Proran ROC.
Computing system
Precise memory unit for TSh frequency
Active jamming station SAP-518 "Regatta".
A set of fired traps and jammers.

[Ka-52]

a completely different type of electronic warfare systems.

the level of knowledge is clear.

The Khibiny complex includes the following elements:

one more proof that you can only mindlessly copy the performance characteristics of units from the Tyrnetov Wikipedia, without understanding what and why. Proran, which is part of the L-256, although it is called RER, but its main task is to obtain data on the radar of attacking enemy aircraft, analyzes the frequency of their operation. Then the data from Proran is transmitted to Regatta, SAP518, where, based on the obtained analysis of the data, distorting noise is formed.
So, monsieur astrophysicist, it works by target program for individual and group protection of our aircraft. You can't even figure out the concepts, but there too
pysy. Growler stations operate on this principle

[Boris Chernikov]

in this case, it is cheaper to hit the airfields with anti-aircraft missiles from the S-300 or Iskander ..

[the finish]

A Pentagon spokesman, in a message to Sky News Arabiya, confirmed dozens of flights between Turkey and Azerbaijan to transport hundreds of Syrian militants to the conflict zone.

[north 2]

"For every cunning nut there is a threaded bolt ..." And not vice versa and not some cunning bolt, as you write here. Sayings should be known if you are trying to quote them. By the way, it is just such with a cunning nut that he hopes to drag Russia into this conflict. Russia knows how to do it even without such cunning
their duties as a member of the DOCS, if someone does not attack Armenia. So it is still unknown who is there with the cunning nut, has now begun to exacerbate this conflict in NK. And if it was Pashinyan who provoked it? So, Russia should defend such an Armenia too, or what? What would be a fool in front of this cunning nut? For such cases, there is a bolt with a large thread.

[venik]

Quote: Thrall

Suddenly, Armor with more than sufficient target hitting height can appear in NCR.

========
Well, "Tor-M2KM" - it can definitely appear there ..... A year ago they put:

[Victor67]

And you and dad will pay for them, as members of the CSTO?

[Lopatov]

A striking example of what happens when there is no air defense system of the battlefield.

[Same lech]

A striking example of what happens when there is no air defense system of the battlefield.

It is very expensive and expensive ... not every state can afford it.

[Lopatov]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

It is very expensive and expensive ... not every state can afford it.

Not having it is even more expensive.
As practice shows.

[Same lech]

What then remains to be done for semi-partisan formations that do not have echeloned air defense?

[Lopatov]

Quote: The same Lech

What then remains to be done for semi-partisan formations that do not have echeloned air defense?

Cover yourself with a sheet and crawl towards the cemetery.

For if with manned aircraft there is an option to try to inflict unacceptable losses on the enemy, then this does not work with a UAV

[Observer2014]

Quote: Spade

Quote: The same Lech

What then remains to be done for semi-partisan formations that do not have echeloned air defense?

Cover yourself with a sheet and crawl towards the cemetery.

For if with manned aircraft there is an option to try to inflict unacceptable losses on the enemy, then this does not work with a UAV

Well, what else to do? These are not the wars of the 90s in the post-Soviet spaces. Azerbaijan has modernized its army. The Armenians "beat up" literally. And in everything. Get it and sign it.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Observer2014

Azerbaijan has modernized its army. The Armenians "ponty beat" literally. And in everything. Get and sign.

Here I am about that.

[panov_panov]

I would not write off the Armenian army from the accounts, their opponents are not advancing very much, aviation alone cannot win a war.

[voyaka uh]

"it doesn't work with a UAV" ////
----
You, as I can see, have changed your negative opinion about
the effectiveness of attack drones?
Previously, you only recognized scout drones.

[Gado]

And he is an expert on everything and everything, plus he writes the best comments. It costs him nothing to change his opinion.

[Lopatov]

Are you an expert on me? Do you know that I think better than myself?

[Lopatov]

Quote: voyaka uh

You, as I can see, have changed your negative opinion about
the effectiveness of attack drones?

Of course not. I can count.

[WeAreNumerOne]

For example, like the S-400 and Armor in Syria. They said "no-fly zone" - as cut off.

[Lopatov]

Quote: WeAreNumerOne

For example, like the S-400 and Armor in Syria.

Well, yes.
Not a single air raid on Russian bases occurred.
For there is a complete System.

[WeAreNumerOne]

The wrong Carapaces were apparently. I just thought why drag my group for half the world. Announcing means to everyone that we are going to decide everything right now, all these zones are no-fly. In which everyone is flying bombing your ally - for whose sake everything was started, and then they are glad that you are not being bombed. For whom is a no-fly zone in which Turks and Jews calmly fly and bomb? Well, about the F-16 and An, I am silent.
The point was to drag it all there - if in fact, as they flew and fly, nothing has changed

[Ali]

WeAreNumerOne (WeAreNumerOne)! There was a video from Israel, where the video - this is an obvious frank fake, where at the end an Israeli drone flies along a rope and in a circle, from one point, and a video with gluing, if I'm not mistaken! And it fires missiles that "Pantsir-C1" do not have such maneuverability as in the video! One thing, a fact - such a fake was and is ...

[WeAreNumerOne]

Well, and the rest, and my thought about "heaps of movements - zero sense"? Damascus is bombed almost every week. Did everyone spit on the S-400 and stuff?

The Azerbaijanis have destroyed the freshly brewed Repellent. Drone-kamikaze - it seems to be supposed to protect just from all kinds of drones? And the Ukrainians were destroying the slaves Resident, and I don’t remember something else.
Everyone prays for them like that - but there is no sense, already as mantras.
PS Curvature of the earth - forgot, sorry

[Ali]

WeAreNumerOne (WeAreNumerOne)! If Israeli planes do not shoot down S-400s in Syria, this does not mean that they cannot - rather, there is no order! "Pantsir-C2", which is in service with Russia, easily knocks down Turkish UAVs!

[Lopatov]

Quote: WeAreNumerOne

Did everyone spit on the S-400 and stuff?

But from this moment in more detail.

[loki565]

The Azerbaijanis have destroyed the freshly brewed Repellent. A kamikaze drone - is it supposed to protect just from all kinds of drones?

But in the video, when a kamikaze drone gets into the repellent, it was already in this state, its march was covered with art, and then the UAVs arrived. But for some reason you forgot to upload the video)))

[WeAreNumerOne]

Is it possible here? Yes - destroyed. Ukrainians also covered all these slaves with art, and there was a clear video from a spotter UAV. Alas, all these analog networks do not work

[loki565]

Is it possible here? Yes - destroyed. Ukrainians also covered all these slaves with art, and there was a clear video from a spotter UAV. Alas, all these analog networks do not work

Of course you can, insert the link and that's it))) you can also drop Ukrainian videos so as not to be unfounded)))

[Ka-52]

Alas, all these analog networks do not work

all, disarm. Raptors for scrap metal, Yars are converted into tanks for watering vegetable gardens, and Varshavyanki are sold to Colombian drug cartels. The expert told us that only Turkish kamikaze drones work

[Ka-52]

The Azerbaijanis have destroyed the freshly brewed Repellent. Drone kamikaze

if you take off your eyes and free your brain from debris, then you can see from the video given that the drone is already striking plant ruins... How was she surprised? It is quite possible with artillery fire.

[Lopatov]

I, damn it, for whom did I write about the "System"?
Or do you prefer not to pay attention to such "nonsense"?

[WeAreNumerOne]

And what about the System? Previous post for Ali wrote

[Lopatov]

Quote: WeAreNumerOne

And what about the System?

And the system is the system. She keeps our bases safe. Effectively.
For not a single effective raid on Khmeimim and Tartus happened.
A system of air defense, electronic warfare, aviation components and weapons. For example, capable of promptly destroying the UAV control center

[WeAreNumerOne]

And what is the purpose of finding our bases there? I wonder how you understand her

[Lopatov]

Quote: WeAreNumerOne

And what is the purpose of finding our bases there?

Inflicting maximum losses on terrorist attacks. Human and financial.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: WeAreNumerOne

The wrong Carapaces were apparently.

Air defense is primarily a system.
And a single ZRPK or zrdn - without an external control center and control, without overlapping dead zones with neighbors, without changing positions - this is just a target that often does not even see what will hit it.
That is why in the same "Desert Storm" the headquarters, communications and long-range detection of Iraqi air defenses were first removed.

[3danimal]

Except for low-altitude targets, which faintly hide behind the curvature of the Earth

[Grits]

Quote: Spade

A striking example of what happens when there is no air defense system of the battlefield.

The Armenians have it. The only problem is that the Armenians believed that the old "Wasp" was the very same air defense system of the battlefield. Not taking into account that the time has gone far ahead and without even bothering to compare the range of the missiles "tractors" and "Wasps". Although they knew very well that the Turks were supplying "tractors" to Azerbaijanis.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Gritsa

The only problem is that the Armenians believed that the old "Wasp" was the very same air defense system of the battlefield.

The Wasp tractor will fill up and so on in theory. Well, there are not only Bayraktars flying ..... The problem is in another who prevented the Armenians from agreeing with Lukashenka and modernizing the Wasps on Tetraeder.

[Piramidon]

Baku said that Armenia may be left without the "Osa-AKM" air defense system: about the vulnerability of these complexes to attack UAVs Turkish production

As children. Like - here I have an elder brother, Rejepik, I will complain to him and he will show you something.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Piramidon

I have an older brother

And what does the "elder bratelnik" have to do with Azerbaijani UAVs?

[Alevil]

Are you sure that the UAV operators are Azerbaijani military, not Turkish? You can put any sign or any flag on the UAV, and they can be controlled even from Turkey, even from the USA, even from Antarctica.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Alevil

Are you sure that the UAV operators are Azerbaijani military, not Turkish?

What's the difference?
Azerbaijanis are responsible for their combat use, as well as for all the resulting nuances, including responsibility.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spade

UAV Azerbaijani

Yeah, Turkish made, sent from Turetchina

[Lopatov]

Quote: Piramidon

Yeah, Turkish made, sent from Turetchina

So what? There is a bunch of Russian weapons too. Israeli, Belarusian ...

Well, Azerbaijan will not pull its own full-fledged military-industrial complex

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spade

So what?

And then. If Russia sticks in there (God forbid), then the Ottomans will not seem a little either. Then both "Caliber" and "Iskander" and Su-34 ... suddenly (judging by your posts) will become Armenian?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Piramidon

And then. If Russia sticks in there (God forbid), then the Ottomans will not seem a little either.

Russia, I'm afraid. also.

As for the rest, Aliyev solves the problem of inflicting maximum losses on the Armenians while minimizing his own human losses. Thanks to the procurement of the WTO and the UAV, it is solving very successfully.

Well, to say "it's not fair, Azerbaijan is buying UAVs from Turkey and Israel" ....

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spade

Russia, I'm afraid. also.

It's nice to see that the enemy of Russia, Lopatov, is afraid. Don't fall off the sofa, you foe.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Piramidon

It's nice to see that the enemy of Russia, Lopatov, is afraid. Don't fall off the sofa, you foe.

You have a sofa. And I honestly fought for Russia, without losing a single subordinate. Available?
I graduated as in the 19th division, and so I was discharged from it.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Piramidon

It's nice to see that the enemy of Russia, Lopatov, is afraid. Don't fall off the sofa, you foe.

You have a sofa. And I honestly fought for Russia, without losing a single subordinate. Available?
I graduated as in the 19th division, and so I was discharged from it.

Why, then, are you afraid of Russia?

Russia, I'm afraid. also

[Lopatov]

Quote: Piramidon

Why, then, are you afraid of Russia?

I'm afraid for Russia.
These are the ones who are ready to fight for the Armenian territorial acquisitions to the last Russian soldier. Me not.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spade

I'm afraid for Russia.

Then write that, not "I'm afraid of Russia."

[Lopatov]

Quote: Piramidon

Then write that, not "I'm afraid of Russia."

Russian in white,

Quote: Spade

Quote: Piramidon

And then. If Russia sticks there too (God forbid), then the Ottomans will not seem a little.

Russia, I'm afraid. also.

.

I decipher: Russia's entry into the war against Azerbaijan and Turkey will result in great human and material losses. Moreover, they will turn Azerbaijan from an adequate partner into an enemy.
Therefore, it is not necessary to overdo it.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Spade

minimization of their own human losses.

Well, where is the minimization of losses of Azerbaijan ..?!

[Lopatov]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Well, where is the minimization of losses of Azerbaijan ..?!

The use of guided weapons.
Or are you sure that if instead of all this you use a soldier with a grenade launcher, then there will be fewer losses?

[K-612-O]

Are bayaktars Azerbaijani? Or Harola? Then the transport workers are driven to Israel and Turkey every day.
But on the ground, the Turks do not grow together, in 3 days it is already sensitive to lose more than 30 tanks, 3 Soncepecs and 30 infantry fighting vehicles. Therefore, we switched to air and art raids.

[Lopatov]

Quote: K-612-O

lose more than 3 tanks, 30 Soncepecs and 3 BMPs in 30 days

Not enough. The Armenian agitprop is lost somewhere.

Quote: K-612-O

Are bayaktars Azerbaijani? Or Harola?

Yeah. And "Solntsepeki" are also Azerbaijani

[donavi49]

Your numbers are already going to betray Armenia - and you can sit down. Here are more or less official data on the losses of Erdogan's troops for yesterday

[Dr khorne]

The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan also officially announced several thousand killed and wounded at the enemy - whether 2000 or 3000 and 200 destroyed tanks, is this also true? I think the whole of Armenia will not have so many equipment of this kind, and why, with such huge losses of the enemy, the whole of Karabakh has not been captured yet?

[donavi49]

well, both sides have already gone into the game, who will declare more. Therefore, this can be ignored. We must focus on photo / video and other objective materials.

NKR / Armenia has had a sharp decline in objective materials in recent days.

[Dr khorne]

I agree, it's amazing how the Armenians still hold out, with the enemy's complete air superiority, and in everything else too.

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: donavi49

Your numbers are already going to betray Armenia - and you can sit down. Here are more or less official data on the losses of Erdogan's troops for yesterday

And the rams, probably those whom the Turks brought in ??))

[Grits]

Quote: donavi49

Here are more or less official data on the losses of Erdogan's troops for yesterday

Creative.
Just hard to believe.

[Nychego]

Quote: K-612-O

Therefore, we switched to air and art raids.

From the first day, "Azerbaijani" UAVs have been working on the "Osa" air defense missile system as priority targets.
It is quite obvious that before the Turks use manned aircraft on a massive scale, well, in the sense of "Azerbaijanis" they knock out the most threatening elements of Armenian air defense.
Everything is simple, understandable and even reasonable.

[jovanni]

Baku said that Armenia may be left without the Osa-AKM air defense system: on the vulnerability of these complexes to Turkish-made strike UAVs

Well, why the hell is such air defense needed !? The calculations are just a pity ...

[Same lech]

Well, why the hell is such air defense needed !?

A real war with a strong enemy shows well all the disadvantages of air defense.
Impact UAVs become a headache.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Real war with a strong opponent well shows all the disadvantages of air defense.
Impact UAVs become a headache.

With a strong opponent? Yes, it costs nothing to a strong enemy to clear out the likely launch sites for the UAV. So, this is not a "headache" at all, but just a nuisance.

[Same lech]

So, this is not a "headache" at all, but just a nuisance.

Yeah, or a pain in the ass ... there can be thousands of such sites.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Yeah, or a pain in the ass ... there can be thousands of such sites.

Do you in any way want to admit that for hundreds of UAVs there cannot be thousands of sites in a country with very limited territorial resources (mountainous terrain, etc.) or do you deny the effectiveness of using existing MLRS for areal purposes?
Especially for you, I repeat:

Real war with a strong opponent

Now you can outline the difference between "strong opponent" and "opponent from the word opposite ».
As for "splinters" and other foreign bodies, you shouldn't try to sit with your bare bottom on two untreated wooden stools - it will dissipate.

[maktub]

Another example in which direction you need to develop.
Interestingly, the Turks "run in" Akinchi?

[bukhach]

The barrels must be rolled out by the Armenians.

[maktub]

On tgc there is a video of the application on both sides

[Same lech]

The barrels must be rolled out by the Armenians.

Under the blows of the UAV of the Turks ... you can't get enough artillery pieces.

[bukhach]

I meant anti-aircraft guns, good calibers, to get it in height. Maybe where they were lying around in warehouses from the Second World War.

[Same lech]

Hit the UAV at an altitude of 8,5 km with an anti-aircraft gun from the WWII ... Well, here you have to be a super-duper sniper and a big lucky one.

[bukhach]

I have never been an anti-aircraft gunner, but the battery and direct is not necessary as it seems to me. It was somewhere like our old anti-aircraft guns beat somewhere in Syria, albeit on ground targets.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

To hit the UAV at an altitude of 8,5 km with an anti-aircraft gun with WWII ... well, here you have to be a super-duper sniper and a big lucky one.

So they are bursting like ...

[Same lech]

So the size of the UAV seems to be not the size of a strategic bomber ... if everything were so simple, our bases in Syria would have been stuffed with long-range anti-aircraft guns long ago.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

So the size of the UAV seems to be not the size of a strategic bomber ... if everything were so simple, our bases in Syria would have been stuffed with long-range anti-aircraft guns long ago.

Bayraktar is not so small, the wingspan is 12 meters, it's just that anti-aircraft guns are probably all in scrap metal already!

[Lopatov]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

So the size of the UAV seems to be not the size of a strategic bomber.

KMW Smart Camp Defense
https://topwar.ru/77190-proekt-kmw-smart-camp-defence.html

Using not even anti-aircraft guns, but 155-mm field artillery self-propelled guns.
And not into a rather large drone, but into mortar mines

[donavi49]

Roll out and burn up with whole batteries. Look, only the calculations have time to scatter.


By the way, pay attention to the striking difference with Syria - 100% of the video if for a stationary position, then everything is well dug. In Syria, they beat me in an open field. However, the +/- results are similar to those of modern weapons.

[borberd]

Orbiters fly in flocks.

[nod739]

And in response, presumably, Azerbaijan will burn at the NPP

[Pavel57]

Pashinyan did not think that the air defense needed to be improved in the face of new threats.

[Livonetc]

Pashinyan was smart.
I thought
Zagrani ... Soros will help us.
Deflections and money do not solve everything.
Pashinyan deserved a kick in the ass.

[donavi49]

Pashinyan has been at the helm for 2 years, and before that Serzh Sargsyan had been sitting for 10 years. Under him (Sargsyan) there was the first bell in 2016, when kamikaze drones had already flown in and heaps of drones were lit up, which pointed the art and MLRS in position.

[Bully]

Why don't Armenians use SU-30 against drones? From the air cannon - cheap and cheerful. Apparently, it is impossible for some reason

[donavi49]

The Su-30 will run out very quickly. Especially if you go out to the gun. For Aliyev has such toys.

In general, Aliyev's air defense is quite good against aircraft. He bought it thoroughly, and from the ROE, and Bat'ki, he upgraded Buki.

[Bully]

Well, then there remains a sabotage war in the rear

[Bully]

Well, then there remains a sabotage war in the rear

[Victorm]

While all experts write practicing their eloquence, today, 01.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX, another pair of Osa air defense systems was destroyed.


PS I wonder why Hovhannesyan, the press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry, knocked down as many as THREE today !!! Azerbaijani aircraft (Turkish F-16 ended in the shopping center "World of toys" ), slipper, boot, bunch or from MANPADS at a height of 8-9 thousand meters?
Or maybe he just exhale, what do you think?

[saigon]

But I was interested in another aspect, a little overlooked by the enthusiasm for unmanned success.
Where, where does one ask for victorious reports and reports on successful offensives of mighty tank wedges?
As it is not noticeably gone into the shadows of the mighty advancing columns and at the moment the success against the air defense is heard.
I suspect the defense has been punched through, rested and now I'm starting to create legends.

[maktub]

There was a video where a kamikaze drone destroys an Armenian "repellent"

[Dr khorne]

There was a blow to the burned-out one - at https://lostarmour.info/ you can find a video in the discussion, everything is clearly visible there. Either they covered it with artillery, or a UAV, but there is no video showing the attack on the whole complex.

[maktub]

Why strike at the burned-out one?

[Dr khorne]

I think it's just a mistake of the UAV operator, I didn't see it, as well as other mistakes - there is a video where kamikaze drones fall into dummies of the WASP and not into real ones - it can be seen well, although Azerbaijanis really destroyed a lot of real OS in Karabakh.

[Garris199]

To later scream on the Internet, see Drone killed the electronic warfare intended to fight him. Russian weapons fuflo, Turkey is a galactic superpower.

[Dr khorne]

Explain then please to an amateur why in Libya, where there is no systemic air defense, there were more than 20 Turkish UAVs, and in Syria about 10. Infa - https://lostarmour.info/. And the Wasps are old stuff from the 70s. By the way, even from this old stuff, the Armenians managed to shoot down Israeli drones - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhgSIgOA_v0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZg5ZD041V4. And yet the UAV is a wunderwaffe or not ???

[huntsman650]

Each zrk has its own purpose. OCA is not for drones. The main task is the fight against PCR.

[pytar]

However, the Azerbaijani side is silent about the number of losses in the same drones that it suffered due to the use of various modifications by the Armenian side of air defense systems.

However, for some reason, the author is silent that the shot down drone turns into just fragments, but after each equipment struck by it on the ground, apart from fragments and ... corpses, remain. UAVs are riveted, but dead soldiers cannot be returned!

[yehat2]

It is strange that the Armenians do not mask more thoroughly.
from 8 km it is not so easy to spot the target.

[Megatron]

UAVs are only money, and they kill people pretty well.

[Victorm]

Quote: yehat2

It is strange that the Armenians do not mask more thoroughly.
from 8 km it is not so easy to spot the target.

The fact is that a drone carrying missiles, kamikaze UAVs, they do not appear at a specific point just like that, reconnaissance UAVs with more advanced equipment work before them, of which Azerbaijan has a lot, since they have been produced under an Israeli license for more than 10 years. goes to hundreds.

The Osa air defense system or the same tank, these are large targets, with any movement they reveal themselves, even with advance preparation of shelters or reconnaissance of the route and the use of natural shelters and folds of the terrain, you just need to start the movement as such, as they are detected by the reconnaissance UAV equipment, both strike UAVs and kamikaze UAVs are in the air at the same time, they only need to receive target designation. If in one of the videos, you can see how gouging fighters got out in a crowd to smoke in the trench, then what can we say about the Wasp or T-72 and their signature ...

There is a lot of talk about UAV Bayraktar, about Turkish operators, etc., but the UAV Bayraktar in the Azerbaijani Armed Forces is minuscule, there are more more advanced Israeli-made strike UAVs.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: VictorM

more advanced Israeli-made strike UAVs.

Of all the posts, only you paid attention and for good reason.
"We use Israeli unmanned aerial vehicles to collect intelligence and attacks. Including the Harop kamikaze drones," said adviser to the President of Azerbaijan Hikmat Hajib.

[Old26]

Quote: Thrall

Each tricky bolt has its own tricky nut (censored version of the saying)
Suddenly, Armor with more than sufficient target hitting height can appear in NCR.

And where will they be drawn from there? Will Karabakh people take pencils and felt-tip pens and draw them? And you probably don't need to study? So after all, "Shell" is not a slingshot.

[immobile2008]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: Thrall

Unexpectedly, Armor can be drawn in NCR

Will not help. For protection, you need to deploy Pantsiri, Buk, S400, Su-30 \ 35, aircraft with electronic warfare, Su-24 \ 34 for strikes deep into the territory, rescue helicopters, their own UAVs, ground units for protection. In short, we need 2-3 bases of Khmeimim. After that, protection from air threats will appear. None of this works in isolation.

What are you writing nonsense? Drones are plastic, they cannot be detected by radar and destroyed. Any system is still useless. So is it worth worrying about the loss of the Wasp?

[Lopatov]

Quote: imobile2008

What are you writing nonsense? Drones are plastic, they cannot be detected by radar and destroyed

[OgnennyiKotik]

Why laugh at once? It looks like the person in the nickname has a year of birth written.

[Cyril G ...]

Yes, the clown cho .... Well there was some kind of blurt out ... "Impossible to detect with the radar", Bgg!

[voyaka uh]

The picture is the same in Idlib, in Libya, in Karabakh.
Missile air defense short-range, which is designed to cover the troops
(or long-range air defense), unable to defend itself
from drone attacks and loitering ammunition.
Carapace and Wasps are the weak link in the defense.
It's time to acknowledge this and draw conclusions.

[Dr khorne]

Do you want to say that all air defense produced in the Russian Federation is incapacitated or that, in principle, air defense should be different in order to fight drones? Please give me an example of how it should be, which is capable of fighting drones as a specialist.

[voyaka uh]

Air defense should be different.
How? They don't know in Israel either. But others must appear
means that destroy drones, kamikaze drones, planning bombs.
That which is, either works badly, or - "from a cannon to the sparrows."
We were shot down by small but high-altitude reconnaissance drones from the Patriot.
But this is absurd.
---
We are developing a small interceptor drone. He must
neutralize (blind, disconnect) or destroy the enemy's drone and return.
It has mini percussion tools on it.

[Dr khorne]

Thank you for your answer, the Armenians, as I understand it, are very bad with "guns" and there are a lot of "sparrows".

[saigon]

That is, together we are sliding down to the light-engine aviation of the middle of the century, as a means of countering modern technologies?
Everything around the circle is returning, a relatively light aircraft with good speed and machine guns based on new technology, or canned artillery and radio-controlled fuses.

[voyaka uh]

I'm afraid you misunderstood. An interceptor drone is
not a light plane. It does not take off from the runway, but is fired
into the sky from a movable platform. He himself must be inconspicuous
for radars. It should be very light, no machine guns with their
recoil will not work. In general, this is a non-trivial task.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Alternatively arm the APKWS (controlled Hydra 70). Recently, an imitation of a CD was shot down, albeit with an F16. It seems that they put it on the UAV. MSDM may be delivered in the future.

[saigon]

Well, I confess I exaggerated the situation a little, but in recent years, they rely too much on new technologies and do not look for simple solutions.
And to think about what the plane is bad for these purposes? Moreover, it is with a piston engine and modern technologies.
I suspect that another robotic device is being driven to counter one drones, and then a defender drone is also used to protect against interceptor robots.

[voyaka uh]

"And to think about why the plane is bad for these purposes?" ////
----
The fact that the same Armor and Wasps shoot down such targets effortlessly.
They were designed to destroy helicopters and low-flying
stormtroopers.
And in the last decade we ran into stealthy drones and kamikadze ...

[Astra55]

And in my amateurish opinion, drones of course now rule. Modern air defense against them is ineffective. And here it is not worth chasing every single flying bot, you still cannot catch everyone. Here you need weapons of mass destruction against robots. What are they afraid of? How can you burn out their brains without taking aim?
Does anyone have an Electro-Magnetic Bomb in their bins?

[pytar]

I suspect that another robotic device is being driven to counter one drones, and then a defender drone is also used to protect against interceptor robots.

The era of robots has arrived. Many did not notice, but robots are already here! Soon creatures with artificial intelligence will be on the ground, in the sky and in the water ... Whoever has more "gigabytes", he will win. By the way, the robotic has long been plowing the Cosmos, at distances unattainable for humans and under conditions absolutely unsuitable for life!

[OgnennyiKotik]

General Atomics says it has tested its Sparrowhawk, a new small drone that can launch and return in flight in a UAV.

UAV on UAV, UAV drives

[Garris199]

Why light? Why can't there be an interceptor the size of a bayraktar or a predator? With machine guns and BVB missiles.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: voyaka uh

We are developing a small interceptor drone.

We too...

[FenH]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Quote: voyaka uh

We are developing a small interceptor drone.

We too..

It remains to throw it up 8 km, the bikers do not fly low, and so far it's a raven to scare

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: FenH

, bikers do not fly low, and so far it's a raven to scare

I draw your attention to the fact that you did not notice ...: this is an Experimental Prototype (!) ... Demonstrator of the Concept ... (as our "favorite" General Secretary said: the main thing is to start!)

[Garris199]

For such an expensive toy as a bayraktar, you can spend a BUK missile and an explosive fighter missile. At least 8 km, it will fly, at least even higher.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

How? They don't know in Israel either. But others must appear
means that destroy drones, kamikaze drones, planning bombs.

A big problem is the detection of drones, enough weapons, a laser, a guided projectile, a missile. But all this is very expensive, and there are a lot of them in the ground version. Another problem in the theater of operations, ground-based radars in the mountains are useless. Therefore, drone fighters should be airborne, ground-based in especially dangerous sectors of the front.
You have an extremely difficult situation in Israel and it is rare indeed. You are under constant terrorist threat, the front is huge, the enemy is striking from anywhere, losses among the population are unacceptable.

[pytar]

Therefore, drone fighters should be airborne, ground-based in especially dangerous sectors of the front.

Exactly! You are 100% right! Accordingly, we reach the war of robots against robots! Some drones will fight other drones! Robots on the ground, in the air, on water and under water, and in space! In the moment there is a revolution in military affairs.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: pytar

Some drones will fight other drones!

Better right away in virtual reality. They downloaded the data, fought a hundred battles, recognized who the winner was and dispersed on this.

[Megatron]

Oh, God's chosen ones boast of victories over the air defense of half a century ago?
As for the Armor, the gaskets there (the operators), in Libya, were below the plinth, with the same success it was possible to plant monkeys.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: voyaka uh

Carapace and Wasps are the weak link in the defense.
It's time to acknowledge this and draw conclusions.

Stupidity is contagious ...

[Cyril G ...]

Being illiterate is a bad fighter.
The Syrians are accustomed to fighting without an umbrella, for the lack of the need for such, as a result, faced with the Turks in Idlib in the first day or two, they shook off the Turks, not childishly. Then they immediately corrected themselves and pulled up Buki and Pantsyri, reliably knocked down 2 Anki and 3 Bayraktar. 1-2 Armor were damaged, and it was more from art that all Turkish successes ended ...
Libya is much more fun. The Khafftarians reliably lost 1 Armor captured, the second was hit in the hangar and burned down. Another 3-5 Armor were probably hit. To this day, it has not been reliably confirmed. The photo of the wreckage was not and is not .. But in the same period in Libya, at least 20 BAIRAKTARS were reliably lost
Sources Lostarmor and Aviation Safety Network.

Carapace and Wasps are the weak link in the defense.

The first is just stupidity, ultra-small UAVs are hit by missiles. With guns yes a problem, STILL PROBLEM OF THE PANTSYR METEO-DEPENDENCE. Thor brings down everything, from the word in general. But there missiles are twice as expensive as those of Pantsyr.
I agree with Wasp, which, however, is not surprising. However, if the Armenians were not idiots and instead of buying the by the way senseless Su-30SM they drove the same Wasps through the modernist style on Tetraeder, there would be fewer problems.
However, there is a reliable video with the defeat of the Wasp of Orbiter.
THE PROBLEM OF KARABAKH AT MY LOOK IN THE WIDE APPLICATION of ultra-small and small UAVs for issuing control units to ground-based missile launchers (ATGMs) of the Spike type, although the bell was 4 years ago, and for adjusting artillery fire, including guided missiles.

[rocket757]

Who is talking about what!
And whoever will remember the main thing?
What did the Armenian leadership consider important to have ??? The biggest striped embassy !!! Yes, and a bunch of litters in all government structures!
Now they have a natural result and .......
For what they jumped in the squares, they got it !!!
I just want to write "Well, son, did your la / X / y help you, the Yankees or someone else there ???

[immobile2008]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Spade

UAV Azerbaijani

Yeah, Turkish made, sent from Turetchina

Yeah, Turkish, half a year ago, here the "urakryakalki" shouted that Erdogan bablishko was sawing, making unnecessary crafts, but it looks like ...

[Victorm]

Quote: Dr Khorne

There was a blow to the burned-out one - at https://lostarmour.info/ you can find a video in the discussion, everything is clearly visible there. Either they covered it with artillery, or a UAV, but there is no video showing the attack on the whole complex.

In one case, the air defense missile system has quite a working "burned out" antenna, in the second, "burned out" missiles detonated.
Or did they write about the tank?

[Victorm]

Quote: rocket757

Who is talking about what!
And whoever will remember the main thing?
What did the Armenian leadership consider important to have ??? The biggest striped embassy !!! Yes, and a bunch of litters in all government structures!
Now they have a natural result and .......
For what they jumped in the squares, they got it !!!
I just want to write "Well, son, did your la / X / y help you, the Yankees or someone else there ???

The Yankees would have helped, yes, the elections, and before that "Black lives matter" - the current leadership of Armenia played out of habit with provocations, not taking into account the whole situation, that the circumstances are very convenient for Azerbaijan, which he did not fail to take advantage of, answering this time on complete.
Hitting the civilian population so much, making a mess, killing several senior officers, and then the cast-iron idol would have answered.

Now played again. They hammer on settlements, Azerbaijani troops in the Fizuli direction from the territory of Armenia itself, believing that there they are covered by the CSTO, but firstly, Azerbaijan has already struck a retaliatory strike there once after several warnings, and secondly, today the Armenian grief, the missilemen also managed missed to hit Iran, as a result of which a 6-year-old child was killed ... As a result, Iran refused to transit military cargo to Armenia through its territory - that's it, it's a comedy, Armenia is in a ring and who is to blame? - clearly not Azerbaijan, he had asked Iran to cut off supplies a hundred times before, but he was quietly sent ...

[immobile2008]

Quote: Dr Khorne

Do you want to say that all air defense produced in the Russian Federation is incapacitated or that, in principle, air defense should be different in order to fight drones? Please give me an example of how it should be, which is capable of fighting drones as a specialist.

Finally, it reaches people! Hurray, I've been writing about this for over 5 years now:
1. Plastic cannot be detected by radar!
2. Electronics cannot be burned out by means of electronic warfare!
3 AI drones will be 1000 times more efficient!

[Nastia makarova]

5 years recently registered

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: imobile2008

Finally, it reaches people! Hurray, I've been writing about this for over 5 years now:
1. Plastic cannot be detected by radar!

Read at least one book about radars)))))) And there is iron ?!)))
Answer one question.
Is there iron in a flock of ducks ???
However, their radars see ........

[Sasha_rulevoy]

Quote: Ramzaj99

Answer one question.
Is there iron in a flock of ducks ???
However, their radars see ........

But what about the plastic covers over the antennas on the plane?

[immobile2008]

But what should I worry about Armenia or Azerbaijan. There was an article a few days ago. There "urakryakalki" fell on the nuclear umbrella. And the Turks with the aizers showed how ballistic missiles would be shot down at the start. That is, plastic is not visible for radars, they will glare over the supposed take-off points and when the rocket takes off they will destroy it. It's good that not on your mistakes, there is a chance to learn

[svoit]

This "gap" allows the UAV to approach

That is, the only problem is the missile range in height?
Are there any other problems?

[tralflot1832]

UAV is for the wars of banana states. It is enough to know their nest and shandrack there with all the proletarian hatred. Accuracy of 1 sq. Km for unconventional ammunition, I think is enough.

[immobile2008]

Quote: tralflot1832

UAV is for the wars of banana states. It is enough to know their nest and shandrack there with all the proletarian hatred. Accuracy of 1 sq. Km for unconventional ammunition, I think is enough.

Drones don't need a nest, they can start from any platform, some don't even need a platform.

[tralflot1832]

The nest from which orders for the use of drones are issued. Pentagon, in Europe like a / b Ramstein.

[fn34440]

A military aircraft that arrived from Israel delivered to the Azerbaijani military systems capable of destroying the S-300 positional areas.

According to Israeli information resources, the Il-76 military transport aircraft, which arrived in Azerbaijan from Israel a few hours ago, delivered several systems capable of fighting the deployed S-300 positional areas to the armament of the Azerbaijani army. According to unconfirmed reports, the Azerbaijani army received these systems free of charge, in order to test the capabilities of countering the S-300 air defense systems, and, probably, the S-400, if Yerevan requests these complexes from Russia.

According to preliminary data, we are talking about the "Harpy" system, which is a mobile complex capable of launching several kamikaze drones, which are aimed at the target using air defense radars.
About 20% of Israel's military-industrial complex products are purchased by Azerbaijan.
Up to 40% of the peninsula of Israeli drones are exported to Azerbaijan. Israel is the world leader in the peninsula of attack drones.
All drones-kamikaze, destroying MANPADS-non-Turkish.
And Armenia, and writes them down at its own expense as downed. Sur.

[Cyril G ...]

Not this way. UAV of Male type yes (for clarity, an example is Bayraktar TB2). The apparatus is purely police-terrorist. By the way, these are used by American terrorists for political assassinations. Any air defense system will dump it into the lung. But for normal combat operations on land, it is precisely the UAVs of the army tactical level, small and ultra-small class, which serve to adjust artillery fire and the use of tactical guided missiles, are needed.

[Pavel Patrashov]

This technique is 60 years old !!!!

[Victorm]

Quote: tralflot1832

UAV is for the wars of banana states. It is enough to know their nest and shandrack there with all the proletarian hatred. Accuracy of 1 sq. Km for unconventional ammunition, I think is enough.

That's right, it's easier to burn a hornet's nest than to fight wasps.
The most vulnerable point is communication, without it it is impossible to manage anything. Is the communication system transmitting a signal? - it emits, according to its characteristics it is determined what it is, and where it is, and the blow is delivered. But for this there must be quality parity - the level of training, the availability of systems.
The Armenians said it was a fake, but just tried to strike the OTRK Tochka-U at the control points, but "I didn't, I didn't." But at the same time, Azerbaijan, for example, methodically destroys the command posts of the Armenian Armed Forces, starting from the battalion, according to the same principle and quite successfully.

[Nikolaevich I]

((( Bayraktar TB2 is capable of carrying four such missiles and strikes from a height to 8,5 km. At the same time, the "ceiling" of the height for the target that the Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system is capable of destroying is 7400 meters. In other words, Turkish-made drones have a "reserve" in height before Soviet-made air defense systems ))) I do not know where the author got this "valuable" information, but in the performance characteristics of the air defense missile systems "Osa-AKM" means: incl. range - 10 km; up to an altitude of 5 km ...! Only once, I met Old 7 km in height, but this concerned the complex, modernized in the post-Soviet period and not "with us"!

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

, but the performance characteristics of the Osa-AKM air defense missile systems read: nakl. range - 10 km; up to an altitude of 5 km ...! Only once, I met Old 7 km in height, but this concerned the complex, modernized in the post-Soviet period and not "with us"!

These are not the parameters of the range and height of destruction, but the distant grones of the affected area in height and range. The maximum lifting height of the missile defense system may well reach 7 km. Now I don't remember these parameters.

[kitpit]

Instead of SU 30, it would be better to buy a bunch of BUK, TOP and Pantsir, plus electronic warfare and whatever from the Iranians and Chinese from drones. The Armenians completely ignored the Syrian experience.

[immobile2008]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

5 years recently registered

And ten years ago he wrote that private space would destroy the state space because of its high efficiency, when there were first launches, but on a different resource. The comments were horrible. Now they look like suckers, time has dropped them! True on another forum. And here I was banned, for the fact that I zealously smashed "urakryakalok"

[Cyril G ...]

Uryakalka, MASK is by no means a private shop but the face of a very serious state project. No more than that.

[Moskovit]

While the drones are singing hosannas, I would like to ask - when will the victorious Azerbaijan announce its losses.

[serzh.kost]

no losses! (Tymchuk) And how much bragging! we yes we are! got bogged down in a positional one, washed themselves with blood for a piece of land, and how many victorious reports! and the truth is on their side! and the fact that terrorists are brought in from Syria and Libya and the fact that in fact the military operation is completely led by the Turkish General Staff are modestly silent.

[Cyril G ...]

I suppose the losses of the opponents of the Armenians at the moment are many times higher.

[Victorm]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Quote: VictorM

more advanced Israeli-made strike UAVs.

Of all the posts, only you paid attention and for good reason.
"We use Israeli unmanned aerial vehicles to collect intelligence and attacks. Including the Harop kamikaze drones," said adviser to the President of Azerbaijan Hikmat Hajib.

In principle, in one place, everything is already clear.

Quote: fn34440

A military aircraft that arrived from Israel delivered to the Azerbaijani military systems capable of destroying the S-300 positional areas.

According to Israeli information resources, the Il-76 military transport aircraft, which arrived in Azerbaijan from Israel a few hours ago, delivered several systems capable of fighting the deployed S-300 positional areas to the armament of the Azerbaijani army. According to unconfirmed reports, the Azerbaijani army received these systems free of charge, in order to test the capabilities of countering the S-300 air defense systems, and, probably, the S-400, if Yerevan requests these complexes from Russia.

According to preliminary data, we are talking about the "Harpy" system, which is a mobile complex capable of launching several kamikaze drones, which are aimed at the target using air defense radars.
About 20% of Israel's military-industrial complex products are purchased by Azerbaijan.
Up to 40% of the peninsula of Israeli drones are exported to Azerbaijan. Israel is the world leader in the peninsula of attack drones.
All drones-kamikaze, destroying MANPADS-non-Turkish.
And Armenia, and writes them down at its own expense as downed. Sur.

Most likely a fake with an unobtrusive advertisement and an announcement of a new sample.
Azerbaijan has more than enough Harop strike UAVs, precisely and primarily designed to destroy air defense systems. Taking into account the number of destroyed military air defense systems, if the S-300 is only transferred to Azerbaijan from Armenia, it will be naked like a falcon and immediately destroyed, which, by the way, was announced in Baku, as soon as Armenia had to turn down one of the S-300 complexes and he left on the march. They graze him and he is already a death bomber from the very beginning.

And the Il-76 most likely delivered the missiles to the already existing attack UAVs, whose merits the Armenian leadership attributes to the Bayraktar in order to expose Turkey as a third party to the conflict, and the experts are replicating the grief. Consumption judge for yourself what, so many targets were destroyed.

[Ali]

Quote: VictorM

Most likely a fake with an unobtrusive advertisement and an announcement of a new sample.
Azerbaijan has more than enough Harop strike UAVs, precisely and primarily designed to destroy air defense systems. Taking into account the number of destroyed military air defense systems, if the S-300 is only transferred to Azerbaijan from Armenia, it will be naked like a falcon and immediately destroyed, which, by the way, was announced in Baku, as soon as Armenia had to turn down one of the S-300 complexes and he left on the march. They graze him and he is already a death bomber from the very beginning.

VictorM (Victor0. Wrong .:
The S-300PM will detect a Bayraktar TB2 with an image intensifier tube = 0,5 m2 at a distance of D = 166,125 km in free space, and then the drone will be destroyed in the range of anti-aircraft missiles. True, there is one thing, but it makes no sense to shoot down drones with such large missiles. It will be easier to use the Pantsir-S1 air defense system with the S-300PM in a bundle of multilevel air defense.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Ali

The S-300PM will detect a Bayraktar TB2 with an image intensifier tube = 0,5 m2 at a distance of D = 166,125 km in free space, and then the drone will be destroyed in the range of anti-aircraft missiles. True, there is one thing, but it makes no sense to shoot down drones with such large missiles. It will be easier to use the Pantsir-S1 air defense system with the S-300PM in a bundle of multilevel air defense

The exact stage of work on Mini Hapry is currently unknown. (2019). It should be noted that the commercial for the project has already made a lot of noise. The fact is that one of the targets of the UAV from the video was a kind of radar, suspiciously similar to a component of the Russian anti-aircraft missile system. The painted "Mini-Harpy" easily coped with this goal, for which she immediately received the nickname "S-300 Killer" from the press.
https://topwar.ru/154495-barrazhirujuschie-boepripasy-semejstva-iai-harpy-izrail.html

As you already know in Israel there is only one step from computer to production.
At the Aero India 2019 exhibition, the Israeli company IAI for the first time presented a new loitering ammunition of the Harpy family. And it is quite possible that it is being tested in Azerbaijan.

[Cyril G ...]

The drawn "Mini-harpy" easily coped with this goal, for which she immediately received the nickname "S-300 Killer" from the press.

The videos will endure everything. And the Syrian air defense systems destroyed by the Israeli Air Force, we somehow counted. Even taking into account all the wretchedness of the state of Syrian air defense, both in terms of technology, and in terms of the level of personnel at the moment, the real successes of the Air Force on Twitter, oh sorry Israel are SMALL AND rarely receive confirmation.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: VictorM

Most likely a fake with an unobtrusive advertisement and an announcement of a new sample.

At the Aero India 2019 exhibition, the Israeli company IAI for the first time presented a new loitering ammunition of the Harpy family. In the new project IAI combined all previously used surveillance tools. Mini Harpy carries an optoelectronic unit and an electronic reconnaissance system that allows you to identify and attack any targets, including enemy radar... Control is carried out from the operator's panel, while some of the tasks are assigned to automation.
Well, to make it completely clear, another quote
Last week, several transport planes from Azerbaijan landed at the airport at the Ovda Air Force Base in southern Israel. A few hours later, the transport workers flew back to Azerbaijan. It is believed that a new shipment of weapons from Israel could be on board. However, Hikmat Hajib said: “I don’t think this flight is necessarily related to the current fighting. We also have trade relations: a lot of ordinary goods, such as fruits and vegetables, are transported from country to country. These are not necessarily flights with military equipment.” ...
When asked again why the planes had landed at the Air Force Base in Uvda, Hajib replied: “Okay, maybe. These planes may also have military equipment. This is part of a long-term cooperation with Israel.
Earlier, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said that his country had signed long-term contracts with Israel for the purchase of weapons worth $ 5 billion.

[Maz]

Quote: Boris Chernikov

in this case, it is cheaper to hit the airfields with anti-aircraft missiles from the S-300 or Iskander ..

damage from such a zhakh will be repaired within a day, the maximum that will hit the heels of the aircraft.

[immobile2008]

Quote: Ramzaj99

Quote: imobile2008

Finally, it reaches people! Hurray, I've been writing about this for over 5 years now:
1. Plastic cannot be detected by radar!

Read at least one book about radars)))))) And there is iron ?!)))
Answer one question.
Is there iron in a flock of ducks ???
However, their radars see ........

Rare nonsense. Then radars would be useless. Thousands of birds would render them useless. Some of our radars are covered with a plastic cap, they do not notice from this, while there is no rain. It all depends on the range. But the fact is, plastic drones are invisible!

[agoran]

"Plastic drones are invisible!"
Come on, make a plastic drone engine.
Yeah and gear, for 15 minutes, have fun.

[immobile2008]

Quote: kitpit

Instead of SU 30, it would be better to buy a bunch of BUK, TOP and Pantsir, plus electronic warfare and whatever from the Iranians and Chinese from drones. The Armenians completely ignored the Syrian experience.

I don’t think they bought something that Russia gave for free, so they took it. China requires money like others

[svoit]

Quote: Spade

And the system is the system. She keeps our bases safe. Effectively.

Unfortunately, we have to doubt the effectiveness. There were reports of low efficiency and armor and tori ... and against what - against the semi-handicraft UAVs of the long-defeated ISIS! When the system is there, it is better than when it is not there, there is no doubt, but it is still unknown how our system will manifest there in the event of a massive raid by normal aircraft (manned and unmanned).

[Dzafdet]

We must bend our designers. We also have quite a few of them. Urgently modify the complex to great heights and ranges. But actually, I want to pick up a nuclear eraser and slightly correct the world map ...

[svoit]

Quote: serzh.kost

but the fact that terrorists are imported from Syria and Libya

It is unlikely that they would have fought right now, most likely they will be protected for two cases
1 When you need "cannon fodder"
2 When you need to "clear the territory" of the population

[agoran]

Very interesting.
Some resources say that the blablakar aisers have worked on inflatable targets.
This is about the Sumerians, about the inflatable Armata.

[Sasha_rulevoy]

Quote: agoran

on inflatable targets.

In the video, the antenna was spinning.

[Cyril G ...]

To make a rotating antenna on the model for me personally an hour of work + search for spare parts at a dump ...

[Pavel57]

Quote: svoit

That is, the only problem is the missile range in height?
Are there any other problems?

This is a race of UAV and SAM capabilities.
Today, UAVs are superior to Wasp in range. Carapace tomorrow. Etc.

[agoran]

Death Star tomorrow. Did you take the exam?

[immobile2008]

Quote: agoran

"Plastic drones are invisible!"
Come on, make a plastic drone engine.
Yeah and gear, for 15 minutes, have fun.

Ceramic - it is almost eternal. Nowadays, a lot is done on electric motors. So they are small and scatter, do not reflect

[Pavel57]

Quote: agoran

Unified State Exam passed?

No, just traditional analyzes.

[Victorm]

Quote: Ali

Quote: VictorM

Most likely a fake with an unobtrusive advertisement and an announcement of a new sample.
Azerbaijan has more than enough Harop strike UAVs, precisely and primarily designed to destroy air defense systems. Taking into account the number of destroyed military air defense systems, if the S-300 is only transferred to Azerbaijan from Armenia, it will be naked like a falcon and immediately destroyed, which, by the way, was announced in Baku, as soon as Armenia had to turn down one of the S-300 complexes and he left on the march. They graze him and he is already a death bomber from the very beginning.

VictorM (Victor0. Wrong .:
The S-300PM will detect a Bayraktar TB2 with an image intensifier tube = 0,5 m2 at a distance of D = 166,125 km in free space, and then the drone will be destroyed in the range of anti-aircraft missiles. True, there is one thing, but it makes no sense to shoot down drones with such large missiles. It will be easier to use the Pantsir-S1 air defense system with the S-300PM in a bundle of multilevel air defense.

I repeat, Azerbaijan's MIZER UAV Bayraktar is in service, a maximum of 6-7 units.

Once again, Azerbaijan has good relations with Turkey, but it pays MONEY for everything, like Russia at market prices, and does not receive it for thanks. And he did not buy the Bayraktar UAV until the Turks showed its real effectiveness in combat. With all due respect to our Turkish partners, but on the issue of UAVs, they are still quite far from the Israelis, therefore Azerbaijan has licensed production of Israeli vehicles at home. It has been producing them for a long time, before Russia bought a license and started producing them under its own name "Orlan". Azerbaijan has long had its own capabilities and independently prepares UAV operators.
You are writing about the Bayraktar UAV in the context of the S-300, but we have many other systems and types of UAVs produced by us, our military-industrial complex under license. And they will calmly cope with the S-300 of the Armenian Armed Forces.
With these Baraktarom already packed. A persistent attempt over and over again to present Azerbaijan as such a vassal of Turkey, this is just Armenian stuff and nothing more. For example, we did not buy MRAP from Turkey, and even before Kazakhstan, we organized the assembly of South African models of mine-protected armored personnel carriers at home. In general, not many weapons are bought from Turkey, it is just beginning to produce modern and competitive systems, but many have not yet been tested by combat, production volumes are small for many, so Azerbaijan does not buy them. Friendship is friendship, but we are a warring country and now we had to fight. The main partners in military-technical cooperation are Russia, Israel, Belarus, Turkey and Ukraine, something was bought in Serbia.

Today we have our own sufficiently developed and self-sufficient military-industrial complex. We do not need tank building, for example, but we produce light armored vehicles and assault vehicles ourselves. The battles that are currently taking place in the southern and northern directions, they allow the use of heavy equipment, we bought it, in three days on a separate of the directions we hacked the defense that had been prepared for more than a decade, advanced almost 30 km, methodically destroying heavy weapons and air defense systems, after this phase we will have to fight in the mountains and there we will not cover 30 km in 3-4 days, there will be protracted battles, this is the calculation that the military-industrial complex was built on - we produce UAVs (Orbiter -1, -2), off-road vehicles (Kamaz ), mortars (60mm, 82mm), automatic and manual grant launchers (AGS-17/30, RPG-7), single machine guns (PK 7,62x54), light firearms (AK 5,45x39, 7,62x39, pistols 9x19, sniper rifles 7,62 and 12,7) and ammunition to all of the above. All this will be needed in the mountains where battles will last for months.
We have mastered the repair of the Su-25, a workhorse in the conditions of fighting in the mountains, we have more than a hundred Mi-8 / -17 helicopters. The experience of the war in Afghanistan and Chechnya was taken into account, and it will be implemented after the destruction of almost all the military air defense of the Armenian Armed Forces on the territory of Azerbaijan.

With regard to the UAV, the experience of Israel was taken into account, first of all, the experience of the United States was analyzed, later the Turkish experience only came.

[bukhach]

Do you think the war will last for several months?

[Radical]

Quote: Thrall

We need to work hard on this. Modern warfare without effective countermeasures to drones is a thing of the past.

Citizen "General" - I completely agree, I am ready to carry out any of your orders! We got the flood marshals!

[Radical]

Quote: Thrall

We need to work hard on this. Modern warfare without effective countermeasures to drones is a thing of the past.

T-a-rishch "major-general" - let me admire you!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What is there to argue. The Osa-AKM air defense system is of course outdated, Armenia had to take care of supplementing them with more modern Pantsir air defense systems.

And in my opinion, in general, for defense, air defense systems are needed that were not created on the same platform where the radar and launcher and the crew are all in one place, but spaced apart. That is, the launcher and the radar can be executed in the form of trailers, and the calculation will sit separately in the control car, preferably armored and disguised. In addition, such an air defense system should be able to connect several radars, OLS and several launchers to one control, so that in the event of a defeat of one radar or launcher, it would be possible to enter into battle another installation and destroy an air target.

And SAMs on one platform are good when attacking, to move quickly and cover the advancing troops.

Look at Israel's "Iron Dome" something like this and the PU is arranged separately, if it is discovered and hit, then people will not suffer -

[Zaurbek]

He is geared towards ballistic targets ... he is unlikely to be able to intercept the Harpy.

[Radical]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

In Syria, the Turks carried out equipment that was not protected by any air defense at all. Then the air defense started working and the tale of the omnipotent drones ended abruptly. Moreover, the Syrians used very limited forces, 4 Armor and 4 Bukas, as they said in our Ministry of Defense. Buki carried bayraktars, and shells covered them from shells and missiles launched against them. Completely balanced air defense system. On the basis of Os and Krugs that the Karabakh people have, it is impossible to do this, with this old Soviet guan instead of air defense, the Azerbaijanis will extinguish the Armenian occupiers from a distance.

This is not balanced, but mixed, including military air defense - the one that should be in modern conditions of combined arms combat, to cover the combat formations of troops. Judging by the video, the opposing
the parties are not very successful.

[Radical]

Quote: Spade

A striking example of what happens when there is no air defense system of the battlefield.

Whose system is this?
The RF Armed Forces have military air defense, or more precisely, the air defense of the Ground Forces. So what are you talking about, my dear?

[Radical]

Quote: bobba94

Ukraine last year bought 10 Bayraktar from the Turks. The contract is $ 68 million. Essno, here and that training operators and some of those. accompaniment, but still the amount is rather big.

Ready to confirm your information?

[Cyril G ...]

Actually 6 Bayraktarov + 2 control systems and 200 ASP

[Radical]

Quote: Maz

Anti-aircraft battalion "Buk-M3" has 36 target channels [7]. Like the Buk-M2 air defense system, the new Buk-M3 air defense missile system has an RPN in its composition, which makes it possible to detect a cruise missile at a height of 10 m and a distance of 40 km [8]. The complex is capable of hitting air targets flying at speeds up to 3 km / s at ranges from 2,5 to 70 km and altitudes from 5 m to 35 km.

If so, then we, that is, the citizens of the Russian Federation, are happy, in the sense that our air defense system is capable, and all that stuff, but what are you talking about?

[Sasha_rulevoy]

The video was clearly not filmed from an eight-kilometer altitude. Those. The reason for the inefficiency is not the 1 km difference in altitude. It is noteworthy that the “Wasp” is not covered with a mask net and is not hidden among the trees.

[Whirlwind]

An escalation of the conflict could lead to the use of Iskander missiles by the Armenians, against which neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan have countermeasures. And they will not hit tanks and guns...

[Zaurbek]

I wonder, Osya, what characteristics didn’t help? There was no radar field?

[Mikhail Ya2]

Losses of the parties, documented on video:
Armenians
7 SAM "Osa"
2 models of the OSA air defense system
1 radar
1 TZM 9T217B
12 T-72B
2 BMP-1
10 MLRS "Grad"
2 D-30
10 Ural-43206
1 GAZ-3307
1 UAZ-452 "Loaf"
1 Electronic warfare complex "Repellent-1"
1 Su-25
Azerbaijanis
13 T-72B \ T-72M1 Aslan
1 IMR-2
2 BTR-80A \ 82A
7 BMP-2
4 UAV Bayraktar TB2
2 UAV Orbiter
2 Hermes 450 UAVs
1 UAV Tu-143
3 unidentified UAVs
1 An-2
1 Mi-24

[WeAreNumerOne]

Which once again proves that tanks in the 21st century are just targets. Useless metal

[Garris199]

If one side has air superiority, then the tanks are vulnerable. This state of affairs dates back to the First World War.

[Archivist Vasya]

Yes, from many reports and videos we have already realized that the Wasps are not coping effectively, only the Armenians have nothing to change them for now. I wonder what the other side has as air defense?

[Victorm]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

Yes, from many reports and videos we have already realized that the Wasps are not coping effectively, only the Armenians have nothing to change them for now. I wonder what the other side has as air defense?

The same Osa air defense systems, only modernized by Belarusians (“Stiletto”), plus parts of Ukrainian missiles, Russian TORs, and Belarusian Buk-2MB, but with Russian missiles, Israeli Barak, Russian S-300. Tunguska air defense systems, ZSU-23-4 modernized by Belarusians. Well, this is something that may at the very least correspond to today. Plus Pechora-2T.
From the simple Igla MANPADS, ZU-23-2, a small number of these have also been modernized.