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Russia, France and the United States called on the parties to the conflict in Karabakh to start negotiations

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Russia, France and the United States called on the parties to the conflict in Karabakh to start negotiations

Russia, France and the United States issued a joint statement on Karabakh, in which they called on Armenia and Azerbaijan to cease hostilities and begin negotiations. This is stated on the Kremlin website.


Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President Emmanuel Macron and US President Donald Trump issued a statement as heads of state co-chairing the OSCE Minsk Group. They called on the leadership of Armenia and Azerbaijan to immediately, without any preconditions, resume peace negotiations on the Karabakh settlement. At the same time, it is emphasized that Russia, France and the United States "in the strongest terms condemn the escalation of violence" on the line of contact in the conflict zone.

We call on the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan to immediately undertake commitments in good faith, without putting forward preconditions, to resume negotiations on the essence of the settlement with the assistance of the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs

- said in a statement.

At the same time, all three leaders expressed grief for those killed during the conflict.

Earlier, Turkish President Tayyip Recep Erdogan, speaking in parliament, said that the OSCE Minsk Group's aspiration to achieve a ceasefire in Nagorno-Karabakh was inadmissible. In his words, first it is necessary to achieve the withdrawal of Armenian units from the "occupied territory" and only then sit down at the negotiating table.

It is unacceptable that the Minsk Group is now demanding a ceasefire in Nagorno-Karabakh. They must demand that Armenia first withdraw from the occupied territories of Nagorno-Karabakh

- he said.
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  1. Dangerous
    Dangerous 1 October 2020 15: 52
    -3
    Erdogan correctly replied that these countries, including first of all Russia, all these years did not really deal with the Karabakh problem. And now they can only "call"
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 1 October 2020 15: 54
      -5
      Well, then you, like Erdogan, should call for the continuation of the war. in spite, so to speak.
      This character is what stands out from all the other leaders who demand an end to the war.

      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 1 October 2020 15: 59
        +3
        Who do I owe, uncle?
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 1 October 2020 16: 29
          -1
          It is unacceptable that the Minsk Group is now demanding a ceasefire in Nagorno-Karabakh. They are have demand that Armenia first withdraw from the occupied territories of Nagorno-Karabakh

          Do they really owe you Erdogash? Aren't you taking on a lot, a parody of Ataturk
          1. syndicalist
            syndicalist 1 October 2020 17: 35
            +3
            Quote: Mitroha
            Aren't you taking on a lot, a parody of Ataturk

            Erdogan never aspired to be similar to Ataturk, considering him an ideological enemy. Erdogan is a supporter of the Islamic Turkish state (not ISIS), and Atatürk fought against Islamism all his life.
          2. Misha Honest
            Misha Honest 1 October 2020 17: 48
            -1
            Quote: Mitroha
            It is unacceptable that the Minsk Group is now demanding a ceasefire in Nagorno-Karabakh. They are have demand that Armenia first withdraw from the occupied territories of Nagorno-Karabakh

            Do they really owe you Erdogash? Aren't you taking on a lot, a parody of Ataturk

            But from the Russian Federation only blah-blah-blah can be heard. When will our leaders take up their minds and understand that in THIS world the ONLY option is to show strength. soldier
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 2 October 2020 11: 42
              0
              Quote: Misha Honest
              But from the Russian Federation only blah-blah-blah can be heard. When will our leaders take up their minds and understand that in THIS world the ONLY option is to show strength.

              And you take your mind and tell us how against whom and what devil should we accept force?
              1. Misha Honest
                Misha Honest 4 October 2020 14: 00
                0
                Quote: CSKA
                us against whom and what devil should we accept force?

                Against future NATO bases on the territory of Azerbaijan, against crowds of Syrian militants on the border with Dagestan ... Are you not enough ?! hi
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 6 October 2020 09: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Misha Honest
                  Against future NATO bases on the territory of Azerbaijan, against crowds of Syrian militants on the border with Dagestan ... Are you not enough ?!

                  Few? Of course not enough, because it is nonsense. You propose to start a war with a friendly country, for which there is no good trading partner. Azerbaijan now needs fighters from Syria only for the war with Armenia. As soon as they are sent back to the negotiating table, there is no need for Azerbaijan to heat up the situation on the border with Russia. There will be no NATO bases on the territory of Azerbaijan. the country is not even a member of nato. Even on the territory of Georgia, NATO did not deploy bases that were striving there.
                  Once again I am convinced that only those people who fought can talk about whether it is necessary to fight with whom and how to fight. they only know the price. And you would only have to wave a sword to the armies of the sofa, but when it comes down to it, we will have to fight, and you just keep writing comments. We must act more competently in foreign policy.
                  1. Misha Honest
                    Misha Honest 7 October 2020 09: 24
                    0
                    Quote: CSKA
                    Not much, of course, because it's nonsense.

                    Yes Yes. lol https://topwar.ru/175838-glava-svr-rossii-zajavil-o-perebroske-v-zakavkaze-boevikov-dzhebhat-an-nusry.html
                    1. CSKA
                      CSKA 8 October 2020 10: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Misha Honest
                      Yes Yes. https://topwar.ru/175838-glava-svr-rossii-zajavil-o-perebroske-v-zakavkaze-boevikov-dzhebhat-an-nusry.html

                      They smiled. Another proof that you need to understand many topics and things. Azerbaijan now needs them as meat for war and that's it. They will not leave them, and even less allow the creation of bases somewhere on the border. Azerbaijanis are Shiites, and Jabhat al-Nusra are Sunnis of a radical Salafi wing. Do you seriously think that Aliyev will allow these savages to walk on his land for a long time, and even preach?
                      1. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 10 October 2020 17: 04
                        0
                        Quote: CSKA
                        They will not leave them, and even less allow the creation of bases somewhere on the border.

                        Why is your confidence? As the Turks order, the Azerbaijanis will do it.
                        Quote: CSKA
                        Do you seriously think that Aliyev will allow these savages to walk on his land for a long time, and even preach?

                        Azerov's blue dream is to join Turkey. Even Russia will not slow them down here ...
                      2. CSKA
                        CSKA 14 October 2020 09: 23
                        -1
                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        Why is your confidence? As the Turks order, the Azerbaijanis will do it.

                        And where did you get the idea that the Turks order them? And the Turks will then need them much more in Syria and Libya.
                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        Azerov's blue dream is to join Turkey. Even Russia will not slow them down here ...

                        You do not try to pass off your conjectures and fantasies for the truth. What is your opinion based on? You talk at least with Azerbaijanis and you will understand that this is nonsense. And even more so, how does the fact that in your opinion the Azerbaijanis want to become part of Turkey relates to the fact that Azerbaijan will allow al-Qaeda to walk on its land? It is not necessary for the Turks, not for the Azerbaijanis.
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  2. Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 1 October 2020 16: 02
    +1
    Quote: Dangerous
    Erdogan correctly replied that these countries, including first of all Russia, all these years did not really deal with the Karabakh problem. And now they can only "call"

    What do you think should be done? To fit into this war on the side of Armenia? The one in which everyone has been yelling for 2 years "Get out the Russian invaders"? Or on the side of Azerbaijan? Partner of NATO member Turkey and our main gas competitor on the European market? In any case, we get one of the parties as enemies, an interethnic conflict on our territory, because both of them live in "Bad" Russia, as it were, no more than in their homeland and, quite possibly, a war with Turkey. And why do we need it?
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 1 October 2020 16: 08
      11
      We have smart people "on top", so let them think. And it was necessary to do it earlier, 30 years of almost this conflict. Why does someone (the United States) manage to create regimes loyal to themselves, while Russia only has unfriendly countries on its borders? They have driven themselves into a dead end by doing nothing
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 1 October 2020 16: 13
        +2
        Quote: Dangerous
        We have smart people "on top", so let them think. And it was necessary to do it earlier, 30 years of almost this conflict. Why does someone (the United States) manage to create regimes loyal to themselves, while Russia only has unfriendly countries on its borders? They have driven themselves into a dead end by doing nothing

        What can you do here? Both sides believe they are right. When the Union collapsed it was already clear how it would end. This problem has 3 solutions. The first is to give Nakhichevan to Armenia, and Karabakh to Azerbaijan. We would straighten the boundaries and solve the problem. But proud highlanders do not like this. The second is to capture everyone and take everything as it was during the Soviet era. And Armenia and Azerbaijan and Georgia. Not a bad option, but we will be afraid to do so. International law, his mother so. And the third is war. Which is what happens. The strongest wins, and he also dictates the conditions to the loser. Maybe in this case this is the best way out, because any other will be imposed by the third party and over time everything will fall apart again ...
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist 1 October 2020 17: 40
          -1
          Quote: oleg123219307
          The strongest wins, and he also dictates the conditions to the loser. Maybe in this case this is the best way out,

          An entirely unrealistic opportunity for either side. The winning country will receive simply devastating international sanctions, which will not only nullify any military success, but also give the losing side exclusive opportunities.
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 1 October 2020 19: 28
            -1
            Quote: syndicalist
            Quote: oleg123219307
            The strongest wins, and he also dictates the conditions to the loser. Maybe in this case this is the best way out,

            An entirely unrealistic opportunity for either side. The winning country will receive simply devastating international sanctions, which will not only nullify any military success, but also give the losing side exclusive opportunities.

            There is a legal option. Official declaration of war. And then there will be nothing for the winner. I don’t understand why this mechanism hasn’t been used for so many years. There is a humanitarian and regulatory legal framework for it.
            1. syndicalist
              syndicalist 1 October 2020 20: 07
              0
              And when was this war legalized?
              I strongly doubt that an official declaration of war can remove or mitigate international sanctions. Rather, it will be seen as a demonstrative challenge to the international community and as an aggravating circumstance.
              1. Oleg123219307
                Oleg123219307 1 October 2020 20: 38
                0
                Quote: syndicalist
                And when was this war legalized?

                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8A%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B
      2. Dimy4
        Dimy4 1 October 2020 16: 48
        +8
        We have smart people "on top" ...

        Quotes can probably be put on another word, well, perhaps except for sitting.
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 1 October 2020 17: 17
        +3
        The conflict is not 30 years old, but much more and it is much deeper than a simple military-territorial confrontation. And as for the United States, they are far from all right in their own home, and the neighboring states are nothing.
      4. RVAPatriot
        RVAPatriot 1 October 2020 18: 16
        -1
        Loyal ??? and the people are in ..., they do it
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    3. Tusv
      Tusv 1 October 2020 17: 04
      +5
      Quote: oleg123219307
      What do you think should be done? To fit into this war on the side of Armenia?

      He served in the Paramilitary from 1998 to 1999. Our brigade commander said that the war in Stepanakert deprived us of rearmament on the S-300. A plague on both your houses, as Tybalt of Romeo and Juliet said. What am I talking about. My fighter, an Armenian, stuffed the diesel operators in the face and hid behind my broad back. The whole delegation was flooded. My station stood high, at the level of the fourth floor of the modern Khrushchev building. So I told this delegation on the third floor. Another step and I'll lower you down the stairs. Everything, the conflict was settled. Our hogwash is engaged. Say one more shot and Azeybarjan is in the Russian Federation. The conflict will disappear as if it never happened. And the violent heads will be sent to Turkey, not to Siberia. So it will cool down to the heap and the sultanenka
  3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 1 October 2020 16: 14
    +6
    Quote: Dangerous
    Erdogan rightly said in response that these countries, including Russia in the first place, all these years did not really deal with the Karabakh problem.

    Today Erdogan is the main problem of Karabakh.
    And if we hadn't dealt with Erdogan, he would have been lifted on a pitchfork that evening. With such a short memory, there is nothing to do in politics.
    1. fa2998
      fa2998 1 October 2020 16: 52
      +6
      Why did they help him during the coup, why did they sell the air defense system to him, why did they supply him with gas, etc. ??? hi
      1. iouris
        iouris 1 October 2020 17: 04
        0
        Quote: fa2998
        why was he helped during the coup, why was the air defense system sold to him, why he was supplied with gas

        And a nuclear power plant at our expense.
        For this, Erdogan began to destroy the Russian Federation. While on the near approaches. And at that time "Russia" tied its hands with this "joint statement". This is a strong move. Only a very confident leader can afford to fight for his interests with tied hands.
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 1 October 2020 17: 57
        0
        Quote: fa2998
        Why did they help him during the coup, why did they sell the air defense system to him, why did they supply him with gas, etc. ???

        Not from a big mind, as I see it hi
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 October 2020 17: 04
      -4
      Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
      Today Erdogan is the main problem of Karabakh.

      Rather Soros.
      And its structures, solving problems of squeezing Russia out of the Transcaucasus.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 1 October 2020 18: 19
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Rather Soros

        In this matter, they certainly have the same interests. And one without the second could have failed.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 October 2020 19: 09
          0
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          In this matter, they certainly have the same interests.

          Absolutely not the same.
          Rather, on the contrary, they are opposite.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 1 October 2020 19: 33
            0
            Which of these - Soros or Erdogan - wants to strengthen Russia in the Transcaucasus?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 1 October 2020 19: 39
              0
              Erdogan does not care deeply about the degree of Russia's influence on Armenia.
              Moreover, Russia supporting Armenia is beneficial for Erdogan. Because this ties Azerbaijan to Turkey even more.

              Soros, in turn, benefits from removing Russia from Transcaucasia altogether. And Turkey too.
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 1 October 2020 21: 28
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                to Armenia

                Don't narrow it down to Armenia. The question was posed more broadly.
                So you can differentiate the situation up to Ashot from the 5th entrance, and get a completely true statement that both Soros and Erdogan do not care deeply about the degree of Russia's influence on this Ashot.
    3. Polymer
      Polymer 1 October 2020 17: 50
      0
      From the very beginning of this "friendship" many have noticed that to be friends with a Turk means all the time to expect a knife stab in the back. And if his previous actions could still be interpreted in different ways, now there can be no doubt - this is what he is, a stab in the back.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 1 October 2020 18: 03
        +2
        Quote: Polymer
        From the very beginning of this "friendship" many have noticed that to be friends with a Turk means all the time to expect a knife stab in the back.

        This was not a secret for anyone even under Ivan III. Bayazid's word then lasted no longer than dung flies live.
  4. mark2
    mark2 1 October 2020 16: 51
    -2
    Russia, all these years have not really dealt with the Karabakh problem

    And why, in fact, Russia had to deal with the problems of Azerbaijan and Armenia all these years? Are they there that the children are small, that they themselves cannot decide peacefully? Your statement hints at Russia's superiority over them in civilizational development or in development in principle. But something tells me that the Buzoters themselves do not think so.
    And then Russia solved their problems as best it could. For more, they should not rely on the exhaust as it turns out at least from this help.
    Since they cannot peacefully, let them decide as best they can.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 1 October 2020 19: 11
      0
      Because 1) Russia is a world power and 2) these are our neighbors. Finns, Portuguese or Nepalese, for example, don't do that kind of thing, but they are just countries. And powers like the United States or even regional Turkey are getting into all this, trying to get benefits. Ideally, every neighboring country should have a pro-Russian or at least neutral government, but now the situation is the opposite
  • St Petrov
    St Petrov 1 October 2020 15: 53
    -10 qualifying.
    I hope I still see the return of Constantinople
    Hagia Sophia must remove all plaque from itself
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 1 October 2020 16: 22
      +3
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      I hope I still see the return of Constantinople
      Hagia Sophia must remove all plaque from itself

      Eh! ... I'm afraid in your case only 100 g of cognac at night can help. After that, sometimes sweet dreams are dreamed. It is unlikely that it will be possible to see all this otherwise. Unfortunately...
      1. Machito
        Machito 1 October 2020 17: 31
        0
        Quote: Jovanni
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        I hope I still see the return of Constantinople
        Hagia Sophia must remove all plaque from itself

        Eh! ... I'm afraid in your case only 100 g of cognac at night can help. After that, sometimes sweet dreams are dreamed. It is unlikely that it will be possible to see all this otherwise. Unfortunately...

        Grandfather Lenin saved Ataturk from the defeat and destruction of Turkey by the European Union and the United States. Turkey has been friends with the European Union for centuries and is at enmity with Russia, as a result, it almost lost its statehood. Over its centuries-old history, Turkey allied with Russia three or four times, which led to an increase in the territory of the Ottoman Empire. Hence the conclusion: the friendship of Turkey with Russia is the growth of the Ottoman Empire, the friendship of Turkey with the European Union is a kirdik to the Turkish people. But Erdogashi has his own logic, it hurts a lot of hashish in Turland.
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 1 October 2020 17: 44
        0
        For such a dream, 100g is definitely not enough. A liter is just right.
    2. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko 1 October 2020 16: 53
      +3
      Why do you need this Council with Constantinople? Were your ancestors Greek?
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 1 October 2020 21: 32
        -4
        I feel like a Christian, this situation jars me.
  • Dangerous
    Dangerous 1 October 2020 15: 54
    13
    Our president would say that if you do not withdraw the troops in 24 hours, we will send all Armenians and Azerbaijanis to their homeland, peace would come in an instant
    1. apro
      apro 1 October 2020 15: 55
      -1
      Quote: Dangerous
      Our president would say that if you do not withdraw the troops in 24 hours, we will send all Armenians and Azerbaijanis to their homeland, peace would come in an instant

      This is a forbidden move ...
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        1. apro
          apro 1 October 2020 16: 00
          -2
          Both Armenians and Ayzers will be very dissatisfied ..
      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 1 October 2020 15: 59
        -3
        1 million 182,4 thousand Armenians to send home = 7 092 000 000 rubles only for tickets

        Azerbaijanis are from 700 to 000.
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        2. KCA
          KCA 1 October 2020 16: 13
          +2
          To teplushki and by railway to the station closest to Armenia, there in the Urals, and in general, a ticket for the Moscow-Yerevan bus from 2500 rubles, do you want to deport them in business class on the plane? The IL-76M will come down to the extreme, with the 2nd tier more than 200 people can fit, again, only men will go to the homeland, families will get them on their own. Yes, Azerbaijanis are also home, but it's easier with them, across the Caspian
      3. Dym71
        Dym71 1 October 2020 16: 00
        +4
        Quote: apro
        We will send all Armenians and Azerbaijanis to their homeland, peace would come instantly

        It smacks of anti-simitism wassat
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 October 2020 16: 26
          +5
          Quote: Dym71
          Quote: apro
          We will send all Armenians and Azerbaijanis to their homeland, peace would come instantly

          It smacks of anti-simitism wassat

          How cute fellow
          Greetings! hi
          And behind them the Jews. And beyond the YavreYa Tajiks to their Uzbekistan! Eh, the country will heal ... crying
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 1 October 2020 16: 29
            +4
            This is great! hi
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Eh, the country will heal ..

            Yeah, and then we'll find someone to drive, Schaub was not boring to live yes
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 1 October 2020 16: 34
              +2
              Kubantsov back to Zaporozhye, for example laughing
      4. Egoza
        Egoza 1 October 2020 16: 05
        +2
        Quote: apro
        This is a forbidden move ...

        but effective! And let them squeal that they didn't take all the things.
    2. the finish
      the finish 1 October 2020 16: 14
      +1
      First of all, Margoshu Simonyan with her husband Keosayan ...
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 1 October 2020 16: 29
        +1
        Quote: finish
        First of all, Margoshu Simonyan with her husband Keosayan ...

        Yes, to your historical homeland - to Krasnodar!
        And Stas Namin from Rublyovka - back to non-rubber, and in the mansions of all Mikoyans to open a kindergarten for needy children from Zhukovka near Moscow called "Shalom and Heil Avir"!
        1. the finish
          the finish 1 October 2020 16: 42
          0
          The post to which I replied simply indicates the nationality without any footnotes.
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed 1 October 2020 15: 58
    -6
    Yes, all the Russian Federation is officially a regional power! so you can leave Syria and let the whole world kick the Russian Federation
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 1 October 2020 16: 03
      0
      And who kicks in this case?
      1. opuonmed
        opuonmed 1 October 2020 16: 34
        -1
        Europe leads sanctions for the bulk of absurd poisoning sanctions lead France that we interfere in the affairs of Belarus sanctions lead and not the current France))) the USA that we interfere in the US elections also lead sanctions)))) NATO bases stand near our borders and also absurdly declare that we threaten))))) and soon everyone who wants to say and blame for what they want to talk about the Russian Federation at high levels in Europe that the Russian Federation is to blame for everything that it is! although there is no obsurdation already sounds) I personally do not like that the blame is not justified throughout the Russian Federation! although we are a regional power that we can not kick what they want)
  • iouris
    iouris 1 October 2020 15: 59
    +2
    If they had met in Tehran ...
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 1 October 2020 16: 19
      +4
      If they had met in Tehran ...
      laughing good , and continued in Yalta ... smile
  • dzvero
    dzvero 1 October 2020 15: 59
    +6
    The sultan rushed about ... in three days the Azerbaijani troops, despite their qualitative and quantitative superiority, could not fulfill their goals. The supply routes are not cut, not a single significant center is occupied ... Now they are losing in the political arena ... Time is working against them.
    1. Avior
      Avior 1 October 2020 16: 10
      0
      On the contrary.
      Azerbaijan has more resources than Armenia, and even more so Karabakh.
      1. iouris
        iouris 1 October 2020 16: 13
        -3
        Pashinyan does not need Karabakh. And it will be handed over due to force majeure. "Firstly, there were no shells ..." Another thing that will begin later.
      2. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 1 October 2020 16: 16
        0
        It depends on how you look at it, the Armenians are the second Jews, their owners are behind them. The owners of the Armenians will have more resources ...
      3. dzvero
        dzvero 1 October 2020 16: 24
        +2
        Resources in general, yes. But, as can be seen from the article, both sides will be forced to end the war and sit down at the table. That against the background of the modest achievements of the Azerbaijani army can be interpreted as its defeat.
        Actually, the actions of the Azerbaijani army are strange for me. Someone may be offended, but children, playing "war", behave better ...
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 1 October 2020 17: 06
          0
          In the Ottoman Empire, finances were controlled by the Armenians. Sixteen of the eighteen most important bankers in the Ottoman Empire were Armenians. The Dadiani family controlled the entire military industry of the Ottoman Empire. Galust Gulbenkian became one of the main advisors to the National Bank of Turkey and the Turkish Oil Corporation, which later became the Iraqi Oil Corporation.
          Interestingly, Armenians also rule the finances of Turkey?
          1. dzvero
            dzvero 1 October 2020 17: 16
            +1
            After 1915, fewer than 100 Christian Armenians remained in Turkey. They cut them out, converted half a million to Islam, assimilation and genocide, what kind of finances are there ...
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 1 October 2020 17: 20
              0
              Well, in Europe, Hitler also genocidal Jews, but they rule the banks to this day. Catching parallels?
              1. dzvero
                dzvero 1 October 2020 17: 25
                -1
                I get it, but those Jews are not children. Yes, and this Germany is not the same ... If there are Armenians in Turkish banks, then they are more Turks than Erdogan. Money, they are ...
                1. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 1 October 2020 17: 37
                  0
                  In other words, there are those Armenians and they are Armenians ...
                  1. dzvero
                    dzvero 1 October 2020 17: 44
                    -1
                    In other words, there are those Armenians and they are Armenians ...

                    Quite possible. Haven't you met Russians who are no longer Russians? My friend left for the USA. Five years later I met by chance and she tells me - we, Americans, always think first about America, and only then about all sorts of different ...
        2. Avior
          Avior 1 October 2020 20: 24
          0
          I do not see yet to be forced or at least tried
          So far, only words
    2. cniza
      cniza 1 October 2020 16: 18
      +3
      Quote: dzvero
      The sultan rushed about ... in three days the Azerbaijani troops, despite their qualitative and quantitative superiority, could not fulfill their goals. The supply routes are not cut, not a single significant center is occupied ... Now they are losing in the political arena ... Time is working against them.


      Yeah, and debriefing is coming ...
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 1 October 2020 16: 14
    0
    And where is the Englishwoman Gadya?
  • cniza
    cniza 1 October 2020 16: 16
    +1
    Russia, France and the United States issued a joint statement on Karabakh, in which they called on Armenia and Azerbaijan to cease hostilities and begin negotiations.


    In parallel, Erdogan declares against the ceasefire, that it will be ...
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 1 October 2020 16: 28
      +1
      The guilty will be awarded, those not involved under the sanctions, Macron - candy and permission for half an hour to the left ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 1 October 2020 16: 50
        +2
        There is something in this, especially for Macron, but Erdogan wants to fight, look how he tries ...
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 1 October 2020 16: 55
          +2
          The Sultan wants to have his own empire, but he attracted the attention of serious uncles and, as if after the debriefing, the horns did not break off ... smile
          1. cniza
            cniza 1 October 2020 17: 00
            +3
            The Sultan now looks like Hitler before the start of World War II and is increasingly leading the case to a big war ...
            1. dzvero
              dzvero 1 October 2020 17: 06
              0
              Yeah, because of the muddy story the day before yesterday with the F-16 / Su-25, I almost got into a mess, but very quickly began to disown. Although, if the infa about the transfer of control of the UAV to Turkish operators is correct, then again he went barefoot along the blade ...
              1. cniza
                cniza 1 October 2020 17: 17
                +3
                And he also brings his barialeys from Syria and Libya, this will not end well ...
                1. dzvero
                  dzvero 1 October 2020 17: 22
                  -1
                  it won't end well ...

                  Trump is not a decree to him, Putin has framed ... I feel that next time some polite guys will smoke on the sidelines and look at the work of other less polite ... smile
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 1 October 2020 17: 26
                    +2
                    Something tells me that this whole adventure belongs to Erdogan from beginning to end, how did he persuade Aliyev? , now they will be looking for a scapegoat ...
                    1. dzvero
                      dzvero 1 October 2020 17: 33
                      0
                      Made him an offer you couldn't refuse? For example, take as your beloved wife?
                      Rather, both called themselves lumps, hearing the approving silence of the United States behind them. As Galstukoshvili in his time ... I wonder how the posts will be divided in Ukraine?
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 1 October 2020 17: 45
                        +2
                        Erdogan is an adventurer and will lead Aliyev to the wrong side, where their blitzkrieg failed, they broke firewood and are now looking for a way out ...
                      2. dzvero
                        dzvero 1 October 2020 18: 00
                        0
                        Already started. In my opinion, they hope to get off with a slight fright. Although, if Macron invites them to a family dinner with his, then excesses are possible ... but then both will be quiet, meek and quite a little afraid of the dark.
                        As for the blitzkrieg - you can't joke like that, Triandafilov and Guderian will be damned. More suitable for baklava-krig - slow and viscous ... here we shoot, here we hit, here we stand, but here we are not ...
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 1 October 2020 18: 29
                        +1
                        I also have the impression that Erdogan brought his barmaley for recycling and transferring them to us ...
                      4. Clear
                        Clear 1 October 2020 22: 58
                        +3
                        Quote: cniza
                        I also have the impression that Erdogan brought his barmaley for recycling and transferring them to us ...

                        The way it is yes
  • parusnik
    parusnik 1 October 2020 16: 23
    +2
    In principle, this is a solvable matter. But the parties do not want to decide, look for a compromise. Here they have a question either in my opinion or in my opinion, or not at all, in the sense of a war ..
  • viktor.
    viktor. 1 October 2020 16: 26
    +1
    and our main gas competitor on the European market? And that's all we can do! SWAY! yes
  • Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 16: 28
    -1
    Quote: Dangerous
    Erdogan correctly replied that these countries, including first of all Russia, all these years did not really deal with the Karabakh problem. And now they can only "call"

    I agree.
    Ceasefire and separation of parties is EVIL. This will kill thousands of future generations of both Azerbaijanis and Armenians.
    Many do not ask the question - how many Azerbaijani and Armenian servicemen died, how many became disabled, while these gentlemen gathered for 30 years and did nothing? Yes, they killed more by their inaction than died now and will die more.
    Moreover, without preconditions, who needs it? Pashinyan? - well, let him withdraw the Armenian Armed Forces from Azerbaijan, who is stopping him? As soon as he turns to Aliyev with such a proposal, he will hardly be refused, the fact that there are more of us and we are stronger, this does not mean that we want extra hundreds of dead and thousands of cripples, and that there will be even more dead and crippled in Armenia , we won't win either. Wars end, and then life begins and the fewer losses on both sides, the faster the pain will pass and the faster we will return to normal life, the sprouts of cooperation will appear, we are neighbors and they will remain, we cannot get away from each other, neither Azerbaijan nor Armenia do not be dragged like a barge to the other end of the World Ocean.
    Therefore, a war is better than such hypocritical peace initiatives and again decades of inactivity of arbiters, blood and enmity of both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
    TIRED, I do not want my children to become participants or witnesses of this conflict, from which everyone benefits except Azerbaijanis, and most Armenians, if you take ordinary people.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 1 October 2020 16: 35
      +3
      It is easy to start a war, but difficult to end it. Niccolo Machiavelli
      1. iouris
        iouris 1 October 2020 16: 39
        -1
        The war began long ago. Until Erdogan gets the horns, it is impossible to finish it. Based on the policy vector, learn Turkish.
    2. Clear
      Clear 1 October 2020 23: 14
      +3
      Quote: VictorM
      Ceasefire and separation of parties is EVIL. This will kill thousands of future generations of both Azerbaijanis and Armenians.

      Then, according to your logic, the jihadists and terrorists from all over the world who came in large numbers there, by the way, at the call of Erdogan
      "pigs graze on this land"
      they will definitely not allow murders, violence ...
  • yehat2
    yehat2 1 October 2020 16: 39
    +3
    the problem of the Armenians is that they have pursued a very adventurous policy in recent years.
    This also applies to relations with the Russian Federation, and the negotiability with Azerbaijan, and a number of other points.
    And, in fact, the administration of Armenia has driven the country into a very dangerous state.
    Of course, it is not profitable for the RF for someone to attack Armenia, but it is also not worthwhile to endlessly exploit this circumstance. And look - no one is in a hurry to harness the Armenians.
    I think that after this conflict, if their influential people do not change their policy to a more adequate one,
    then there will be serious disturbances.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 2 October 2020 02: 34
      0
      Again they will run to the Maidan laughing
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 1 October 2020 16: 42
    -2
    After such a statement, the reaction will be immediate - Azerbaijani-Turkish tomatoes and Armenian dried apricots with grapes will rise in price .... The Russian economy will not stand this and will collapse ... Armenian soldiers will be given paper instead of weapons with diagrams of the budgets of Armenia and Azerbaijan, after reading which they will scatter home ... Azerbaijani soldiers will abandon the front and will load trucks with tomatoes (while the price is high) and take off to advance to the bazaars of Moscow. Trump and Macron will be presidents again, Putin will become a Nobel-Snobel Prize winner. And only Erdogan will commit suicide by thrusting his head into the Turkish Stream pipe. And peace will reign in the Caucasus. Rave? But in every delirium there is a grain of reason)))) the truth is not in my head !!!
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 1 October 2020 17: 28
      -2
      laughing Um, well, I'll throw the snowstorms. drinks ... Armenian soldiers will wipe themselves with these diagrams and all will rush into non-rubber ones to their relatives, where they will open a new front in the markets, where trucks with tomatoes and Azeri loaders will come, to raise the collapsed economy of Russia. The laureate of the Prize will have to intervene in an adult way, while the rest of the peacekeepers will screech from behind the fence, they are beating our people and threaten with sanctions and Lehoy Navalny. wassat And in the Caucasus, silence, everyone went to the front ...
  • fa2998
    fa2998 1 October 2020 17: 12
    0
    Quote: Dangerous
    We have smart people "on top", so let them think.

    It is not too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off !!! 0 years of conflict, that there was not enough time to get together, to talk? The VISIBILITY of the negotiations was made, and now they woke up. angry hi hi
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 2 October 2020 10: 01
      0
      negotiations were underway, but unfortunately, both sides voiced the position "we are right, give everything back."
      True, in recent years, Azerbaijan has put forward really acceptable options, but also not entirely equivalent.
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  • fa2998
    fa2998 1 October 2020 18: 08
    0
    We urgently need to help the Turkish Kurds (money, weapons, etc.) to help the resistance. I think Erdogan does not need an extra front at all! what hi
  • yasher
    yasher 1 October 2020 18: 30
    0
    A little more such stresses, and everything will depend on the wind, well, where the radioactive cloud will carry ...
  • yasher
    yasher 1 October 2020 18: 35
    0
    Quote: VictorM
    Quote: Dangerous
    Erdogan correctly replied that these countries, including first of all Russia, all these years did not really deal with the Karabakh problem. And now they can only "call"

    I agree.
    Ceasefire and separation of parties is EVIL. This will kill thousands of future generations of both Azerbaijanis and Armenians.
    Many do not ask the question - how many Azerbaijani and Armenian servicemen died, how many became disabled, while these gentlemen gathered for 30 years and did nothing? Yes, they killed more by their inaction than died now and will die more.
    Moreover, without preconditions, who needs it? Pashinyan? - well, let him withdraw the Armenian Armed Forces from Azerbaijan, who is stopping him? As soon as he turns to Aliyev with such a proposal, he will hardly be refused, the fact that there are more of us and we are stronger, this does not mean that we want extra hundreds of dead and thousands of cripples, and that there will be even more dead and crippled in Armenia , we won't win either. Wars end, and then life begins and the fewer losses on both sides, the faster the pain will pass and the faster we will return to normal life, the sprouts of cooperation will appear, we are neighbors and they will remain, we cannot get away from each other, neither Azerbaijan nor Armenia do not be dragged like a barge to the other end of the World Ocean.
    Therefore, a war is better than such hypocritical peace initiatives and again decades of inactivity of arbiters, blood and enmity of both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
    TIRED, I do not want my children to become participants or witnesses of this conflict, from which everyone benefits except Azerbaijanis, and most Armenians, if you take ordinary people.

    Handsome!
    Fought?
    If not, go fight, and then write down, how is it? (((
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 1 October 2020 19: 12
    0
    There was an alliance, they lived peacefully and no Turks dared to indicate what and how we should live.
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed 1 October 2020 19: 28
    0
    yes, in short, the Russian Federation will soon wait at its borders imhotebov if the government of the Russian Federation will fight this whole situation)
    1. Clear
      Clear 1 October 2020 23: 02
      +3
      Quote: opuonmed
      yes, in short, the Russian Federation will soon wait at its borders imhotebov if the government of the Russian Federation will fight this whole situation)

      At the borders, there is no trouble. The trouble is if inside the country.
      1. opuonmed
        opuonmed 2 October 2020 00: 42
        0
        Quote: Clear
        Quote: opuonmed
        yes, in short, the Russian Federation will soon wait at its borders imhotebov if the government of the Russian Federation will fight this whole situation)

        At the borders, there is no trouble. The trouble is if inside the country.
        if such are near our borders, they will penetrate into the Russian Federation, you have not thought about it? probably yes) and again there is a war in the Caucasus
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 1 October 2020 19: 41
    0
    Only Food City, Gardener and the Moskva shopping center can give Azerbaijan one full-blooded division each.
    How many vegetable stores and markets are there throughout Russia?
    Isn't it time to send reinforcements to both sides in the form of deportation?
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 October 2020 20: 48
      -1
      Quote: Metallurg_2
      Only Food City, Gardener and the Moskva shopping center can give Azerbaijan one full-blooded division each.

      These three divisions are in Moscow. Is this an argument? Perhaps. Moreover, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is not an assistant here. Cherkizon is immortal.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 1 October 2020 21: 12
    -1
    Why interfere? It is necessary for both to sell weapons. and let them fight. And we need to carefully analyze and draw conclusions to improve the quality of weapons. Nothing personal, just business ...
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 2 October 2020 02: 36
      0
      Now there is a Turkish jackal so you have to, you have to drive it, in any case.
  • solzh
    solzh 1 October 2020 22: 02
    +1
    Russia, France and the United States called on the parties to the conflict in Karabakh to start negotiations

    Unfortunately, the negotiations will not lead to a peaceful outcome. Negotiations have been going on for thirty years. And nothing. Azerbaijan has always violated peace agreements.
    1. Clear
      Clear 1 October 2020 23: 05
      +4
      Quote: solzh
      Unfortunately, the negotiations will not lead to a peaceful outcome.

      Moreover, negotiations are still a long way off.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 2 October 2020 00: 06
    -3
    Quote: solzh
    Russia, France and the United States called on the parties to the conflict in Karabakh to start negotiations

    Unfortunately, the negotiations will not lead to a peaceful outcome. Negotiations have been going on for thirty years. And nothing. Azerbaijan has always violated peace agreements.
    laughing Barev, that is, Armenia began to withdraw its troops from the occupied regions around Karabakh in accordance with the UN resolutions and the Madrid principles, and Azerbaijan, dissatisfied with this, started shooting in the back? ... laughing Wow, what is this Azerbaijan, well-well-well, but-but-but laughing

    Thanks for the fun at the end smile It is a pity that I did not come across this resource at the beginning of the newsletter, a lot of interesting, but a lot and frankly stupid to be honest, but in situations like the outbreak of war there is a lot of prejudice, but tomorrow it's time to go to work and sleep.
    As I understand, you are an Armenian, I sincerely wish you not to go to war and not to lose loved ones there, I sincerely wish you and your people to stop following the lead of corrupt nationalists who historically and traditionally serve everyone and everything in the region, which sometimes ended in numerous victims for you, I wish not to be led by the fifth column, wherever it leads you, even to Europe, even to Russia, even to hell. Learn to respect the law, neighbors, remember that you and us, our descendants, will live together anyway. I am impressed that you all love your people, legends and image, naively believe in all this, but you cannot defeat Azerbaijan in battle.
    Perhaps you will be lucky, the diasporas in the USA, France and Russia will work, but rely on yourself and do the things yourself, otherwise you yourself will create another tragedy for your people, with your own hands.

    Peace to the world, laughter prolongs the years, but to fight, to fight like that, you also need to be able to do this with honor - stop shooting at civilian settlements or it will be ay-yay, we will cut off our ears hi
    1. solzh
      solzh 2 October 2020 23: 43
      0
      Quote: VictorM
      As I understand you are Armenian

      laughing Let me be Armenian. I was referred to Jews on the site, the same to the Balts, now I have become an Armenian laughing
      Okay, let me be Armenian, after all, they are one of the oldest nations on Earth.
      Quote: VictorM
      you cannot defeat Azerbaijan in battle

      We have already won many times. yes
      Quote: VictorM
      stop shooting at civilian areas

      Stop, you are shelling peaceful settlements.
      Quote: VictorM
      oh-yay, cut off the ears

      Nu-nu ... Try it. laughing
      All the best and a happy stay under the Turks hi