U.S. approves possible sale of 80 fighters to landlocked Switzerland, including carrier-based F / A-18EF

The United States intends to sell 40 fifth-generation F-35 fighters and 40 F / A-18EF Super Hornets to Switzerland. As stated in the disseminated message of the US Agency for Defense Cooperation and Security, the total amount of the possible deal could be $ 14 billion.

According to the report, the US State Department has already approved a possible delivery to the Swiss government of 40 F / A-18EF Super Hornet fighters, 96 engines, 44 armory systems and 25 guidance systems, totaling about 7,5 billion dollars. In addition, the State Department has approved the sale to Switzerland of 40 F-35 fighters and related equipment worth approximately $ 6,6 billion.

The question arises, why does peaceful Switzerland need so many new fighters? The thing is that Switzerland itself intends to purchase 35-40 fighters, which in the future should replace the 30 F / A-18C / D Hornet fighters and 24 F-5E / F Tiger II fighters in service with the country's Air Force. There can be no talk of any 80 aircraft. And why does Switzerland need a tender for carrier-based fighters?

It should be noted that the decision to purchase new fighters in Switzerland was made at a popular referendum and was adopted with a margin of only 8670 votes. With a turnout of 59,41% of voters, only 50,14% of those who took part in the referendum voted "For". At what this deal may break down, opponents of the purchase of new fighters (led by the movement "Switzerland without an army" - GSoA) have already begun a campaign to organize a new referendum in 2021 to reverse the decision.

However, in case the purchase decision is confirmed, it is not yet known which plane the Swiss will choose. The results of the tender, in which the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet Block III, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Lockheed Martin F-35A participate, will be announced at the end of November. The selection decision is to be taken in the spring of 2021, with procurement approval by parliament in 2022. The delivery of new fighters is expected to take place from 2025 to 2030.

Comments

[Woodman]

The United States intends to sell 40 fifth-generation F-35 fighters and 40 F / A-18EF Super Hornets to Switzerland.

Uh ... Why? Why does Switzerland need DECK fighters ???

[dzvero]

It is necessary to read the contract to the end. Maybe it says in small print that an aircraft carrier for Lake Geneva with three berks and one MAPL is on guard ...

[Jacket in stock]

Who has an agreement with whom and about what?
It's about agreeing to sell if someone wants to buy them.

[dzvero]

Well, not a contract, but an agreement to sell something. But for some reason, the article says about deck modification of the F-18. Here, either the author has injected a word for beauty, or the Swiss intend to acquire their own AUG

[seti]

With a kind word and a barrel, you can sell anything .. Even positioning itself as a super-neutral country ..

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Lesovik

Why does Switzerland need DECK fighters?

If the plane takes off from AB, it cannot take off from the ground? Or did 31 Hornets not serve in Switzerland before? Hornets and Super Hornets are excellent aircraft in their own right, bought by many countries without AB.

Switzerland has mountainous terrain. Very short aerodromes. Therefore, we need airplanes with a short takeoff. I wouldn't be surprised if they consider the F35B / C options.

[Grandfather]

three dozen hornets are still there, and four dozen F-5s. a dozen airfields, not sickly for the "World Bank". if another 80 "hornets" are added, then the coolest "army" in the world, Ukrainian, will be

[pereselenec]

Quote: Dead Day

three dozen hornets are still there, and four dozen F-5s. a dozen airfields, not sickly for the "World Bank". if another 80 "hornets" are added, then the coolest "army" in the world, Ukrainian, will be

The strength of Switzerland is not in the planes, but in the chief banker with a daddy of documentaries, whom he once even stopped the attack on Mariupol

[Alex777]

The states gave the choice. Or 40 F / A-18, or 40 F-35.
And they gave a hint that it would be cheaper to buy the F-35.
And it's easier for the Swiss to take Hornets. Know them.

[voyaka uh]

The vulnerability of airfields in their mountainous terrain is a problem.
You can't get on the highway there - there are no straight sections.
They would really use the F-35B with an ultra-short takeoff.
and vertical fit.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

They would really use the F-35B with their ultra-short takeoff and vertical landing.

I agree. If there is enough money for block 4, it will be a very good purchase.
I think there will eventually be a mix of F35B and F / A-18E / F. Both cars have their pros and cons.

[Cat]

Switzerland has mountainous terrain. Very short aerodromes

And, accordingly, very tight shelters in the underground hangars. Deck boats with a folding wing - that's it.

[Prisoner]

There are two options. Either they are waiting for the ice to melt at the poles, or they hired the proto-ukrov to dig the Swiss sea.

[Tsoy]

Uh ... Why? Why does Switzerland need DECK fighters ???

Why Canada? Or Australia, Malaysia, Kuwait, Finland and Spain?

[iouris]

Quote: Lesovik

Why does Switzerland need DECK fighters ???

You have a ministry of culture.

[Woodman]

Quote: iouris

You have a ministry of culture.

So we didn't buy it!

[iouris]

Well, look at the budget list and where the allocated money disappears. I think this is not much less than Switzerland will spend on these "carrier-based fighters". If we also consider that a lot of money is being withdrawn from the Russian Federation to Switzerland, then - an oil painting.

[Woodman]

Quote: iouris

Well, look at the budget list and where the allocated money disappears. I guess it's not much less

Eco you ... From the Russian Ministry of Culture to the Russian budget ... But such a simple question - why does Switzerland need DECK fighters ???

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lesovik

But such a simple question - why Switzerland DECK fighters ???

Apparently you are hinted that they are needed to protect the money withdrawn from the Russian Federation.

Quote: iouris

If we also consider that a lot of money is being withdrawn from the Russian Federation to Switzerland, then - an oil painting.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: iouris

You have a ministry of culture.

But I ask you not to touch the laundry.

[venik]

Quote: Lesovik

Uh ... Why? Why does Switzerland need DECK fighters ???

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Uh-uh .... Difficult question! But for the Finns they got the deck version of the F-18. So they still fly with useless hooks! So, probably the Finnish "success" of the Yankes inspired!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: venik

But for the Finns they got the deck version of the F-18. So they still fly with useless hooks!

Yes, the Finnish F-18 has an "ovipositor" between the engines.

However, it may be useful to them - for landing on shortened and damaged strips.

[venik]

Quote: Alexey RA

However, it may be useful to them - for landing on shortened and damaged strips.

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I don’t know .... The Finns build good runways, they don’t save long runways .... It's just that the F-18 was originally designed with a "hook" - it is expensive to remodel. So the Finns took it as it is .... They then replaced the MiG-21 and Saab J-35 Draken fleet. And now they are preparing a replacement for the Hornets.

[Shiva83483]

you won't believe ... fly

[rocket757]

So, the aircraft fleet needs to be changed periodically. Whoever can afford it does so.

[iouris]

A very deep thought. I will add that the economy must be economical.

[rocket757]

Some people think quite definitely.
They say they are not rich enough to buy CHEAP ITEMS!
The meaning is in this definition!

[tralflot1832]

I approve the sale of 34 SU 41 to Switzerland.

[novel66]

zrk would be smarter

[tralflot1832]

You sell 40 air defense systems. The commission is divided. On a parity basis. I am for airplanes, you are for air defense systems. Tamm is all decided, a referendum was held. The people gave the go-ahead. MO wants F 18.

[novel66]

I don't have 40 spars, alas and ah ...

[tralflot1832]

We keep our nose downwind, I don't even have a model SU34. The most important thing is participation, as in the Olympic movement.

[tralflot1832]

F 18 naval, this is the reserve of the 6th US fleet, if that. Almost two full air wings for two aviks. In the United States, you don't need to drive cars for somolets. Everything is sewn with white thread, our General Staff knows all this.

[silverwolf88]

As I understand it))) in Switzerland, fears are growing from the surrounding EU))) and its inadequate policy ...

[Volodin]

Quote: silberwolf88

As I understand it))) in Switzerland, fears are growing from the surrounding EU))) and its inadequate policy ...

Five points))) Plus Iran and North Korea can treacherously attack ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: silberwolf88

As I understand it))) in Switzerland, fears are growing from the surrounding EU))) and its inadequate policy ...

Switzerland, no one has ever touched, everyone has money there.

[KVU-NSVD]

They just approved in advance the sale of whatever the Swiss will choose - at least the 35th, even the 18th. Why a deck boat? I don’t say, but first of all I liked the characteristics, secondly, the deck boat can sit on a regular lane without problems, and if a lane with an azrofinisher, then the lane is needed much shorter than the usual one, which is probably important for Switzerland, as a mountainous country and will allow to disperse aviation on small airfields. And so the Swiss military has long had a desire to renew the outdated aircraft fleet, and there is money for this.

[tarakan]

Airfields similar to aircraft carriers are arranged in mountain caves in Switzerland

[EnGenius]

Is the MiG-29 deck-based or not, according to the author? The purchase of the F-18, as in Germany, will allow carrying nuclear bombs. So, everything is clear here - the plane is strong, reliable and durable. The F-35 is already a dubious option, but instead of the F-5, the Swiss will no longer take the F-16V, so the choice of the F-35 is not excluded.

[Tsoy]

What a loud headline ...
The F-18 is also available in the land version. It is in service with countries that do not have aircraft carriers. The same Canada. This is for those for whom the f-15 is expensive, and the f-16 is not enough for performance characteristics. The modification is distinguished by the absence of equipment for landing on the deck, but it has a longer airframe resource since there is no such load on it during takeoff and landing. They are not so stupid, you just need to know a little more about what you write about.

[g1washntwn]

- We would ... what is easier ... F ...- 18 ..........
- Why are we so uncertain about the F-35? Look into your eyes! Say, Zurich to your canton, why don't you want to take potential carriers of nuclear bombs?!?!?

[avib]

Israel is also going to buy / order F35 with short takeoff and vertical landing (sea version). This is in case the runways are damaged or destroyed.

[_Ugene_]

Switzerland has 80 fighters, fuck, why would such a small country in the center of Europe have so many fighters?

[voyaka uh]

In 1940, the presence of a strong army saved Switzerland. Hitler gave the task of intelligence: to assess
how many forces will be required to capture Switzerland. It turned out - a lot.
Tanks do not pass there, and Germany did not have mountain brigades at that time.
The Swiss warned the Germans that the unit commanders had been ordered: "
on surrender, if he comes from the General Staff, and to continue partisan actions. "

[iouris]

Quote: "" Do not obey the order of surrender if it comes from the General Staff, but continue partisan actions. " End of quote.
... and increase the supply of Erlikonov to the Wehrmacht.

[voyaka uh]

In 1940, the Luftwaffe tried to bomb France by flying
over Switzerland. Swiss pilots shot down 11 German planes,
having lost two of theirs.
Later, the Swiss also shot down the Luftwaffe aircraft, which
flew into its territory, pursuing the Americans,
and the American bombers that bombed Bavaria.
The Americans threatened that "by mistake, in the fog" they would bomb Zurich,
if they don't stop attacking and the incidents stop.
But the allies tried to fly over the territory of Switzerland by the side.

[Woodman]

Quote: voyaka uh

In 1940, the Luftwaffe tried to bomb France by flying
over Switzerland. Swiss pilots shot down 11 German planes,
having lost two of theirs.
Later, the Swiss also shot down the Luftwaffe aircraft, which
flew into its territory, pursuing the Americans,
and the American bombers that bombed Bavaria.

Interesting comment, didn't know about it.

[iouris]

This is all clear. Switzerland is a bank country, a safe country. It was not profitable for Hitler to destroy the financial system, but it was profitable to use it as a safe. Gold leaked there from the Reich! Unmeasured. And we all know what it is of origin (including the original Russian Empire, then the Comintern). Therefore, in Switzerland there were (and still are) rather strong pro-Hitler and xenophobic (let's say it mildly) sentiments (Calvinists - what to take from them!).

[voyaka uh]

"Gold flowed there from the Reich! Unmeasured. And we all know what it comes from"
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The Nazis did not store gold in Switzerland.
This was checked after the war.
And 15 years ago, Swiss banks opened all their securities to the Americans as part of the struggle
with international terrorism. Under the threat of banning their activities in the United States.
They found a lot from Eastern Europe, but no Nazi safes.
The Nazis transferred money to South America, tried to store it in the Vatican bank.
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Hitler just really wanted to grab the safes of Swiss banks to finance wars.
But it broke off. Therefore, Switzerland still maintains an efficient army.

[iouris]

You know better, of course. But something in South America was not recorded a sudden outbreak of prosperity, but the Jewish state (or some specific citizens), as I recall, Switzerland (banks) for some reason paid money, and at the insistence of the United States, banking secrecy is no longer provided if requested by the United States. The USSR or the Russian Federation did not receive money from the Swiss Confederation, although the USSR was robbed.
The combat capability of guarding banks with world money, of course, must be ensured. But she's not protecting the cows. And not even the population. The population is soldiers. And all the polls.

[voyaka uh]

Of course she paid. Jews who began to be persecuted in Nazi Germany
immediately after Hitler came to power, transferred their funds to Swiss
banks. After the war, the surviving heirs, under US pressure, forced the banks of Switzerland
give the contents of the safes to the heirs. Although they did not know passwords. This is normal.

[iouris]

Quote: voyaka uh

Jews, who began to be persecuted in Nazi Germany immediately after Hitler came to power, transferred their funds to Swiss banks.

Is that all? It's like "the Russians flew into space."

[_Ugene_]

all this is correct, but given the real balance of power between Germany and Switzerland, it is quite obvious that it was not military power that saved it, but cooperation with Hitler in the financial sphere

[Alexey RA]

The question arises, why does peaceful Switzerland need so many new fighters? The thing is that Switzerland itself intends to purchase 35-40 fighters, which in the future should replace the 30 F / A-18C / D Hornet fighters in service with the country's Air Force and 24 F-5E / F Tiger II fighters. There can be no talk of any 80 aircraft. And why does Switzerland need a tender for carrier-based fighters?

Well, why ask a question, having written an answer to it before?
Switzerland is simply updating its Hornets fleet by purchasing a more advanced model. Who is to blame for the fact that the majority of the Hornets associate it with the decks - although the same Canada and Finland, which do not have AB, actively use it from ground airfields.

[thinker]

Quote: _Ugene_

Switzerland 80 fighters, fuck

This is a journalistic "noodle", at the September 27 referendum it was decided to allocate 6 billion francs for the renewal of the aircraft fleet. And no more

[OgnennyiKotik]

Not noodles. Congress allowed the sale of 80 planes, how much will be bought in fact is the customer's business. At least 1 at least all 80, but if they want to buy 81 aircraft or other types, the approval procedure must be started again.

[thinker]

That's right, the decision of the Congress only allows. How many and, most importantly, what type of aircraft will be purchased, the Federal Council will decide later.