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The war in the NKR removes the veil from a number of other problems

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I study the opinions of our readers on issues related to the war in Karabakh and related topics, and I understand how difficult it is for our diplomats to work in all these contact groups, how difficult it is for the president to talk at the summits of heads of state, how difficult it is to come to a consensus.


The Kremlin calls for compliance with laws and treaties and acting in compliance with these documents. The White House talks about its strength weapons and the power of their economy as a foundation to live the way they want. The French leader manipulates the words about legality and boundaries, interpreting them differently each time, depending on his interests. Erdogan acts approximately according to the principle "what is the law, what are the boundaries, if there are our people, our fellow believers?"

And everyone argues aggressively, categorically, with insults to each other and complete disregard for facts. Nevertheless, today I will again return to the NKR issue, but this time as a lesson for other post-Soviet states.

Will be back just to mix the concrete for our positions. I will come back, because I see that in the course of the discussions there are often points of contact. If not a single point of view is being developed, but a single direction of thinking, a single vector of thought development. And is it important.

Unrecognized NCR as a battlefield


The legality of the NKR has not yet been confirmed by anyone. The republic is really not recognized and legally continues to be the territory of Azerbaijan. In fact, during the existence of independent Armenia and Azerbaijan, the ethnic composition of the republic has radically changed, today it is clearly pro-Armenian territory. But the war on the territory of the "security zone" and the NKR is a de jure war on the territory of Azerbaijan.

Many supporters of Armenia today are asking a question about the CSTO agreement. Why is Russia in no hurry to fulfill the treaty? Why are there no Russian troops in the combat zone? They ask a question knowing the answer perfectly well. A treaty comes into force when another state attacks a party to the treaty. Incidentally, for the same reasons, NATO did not stand up for the Turks after the incident with the downed Russian plane.

At the same time, we perfectly understand the feelings of the Armenians, their desire to win this war. More precisely, this is not a desire to win, everything is much deeper here. It is rather a desire to survive. You personally will not survive, the whole people will not survive. Armenians remember very well the events of the recent historical past. And all the talk about the 21st century as a civilized time is completely killed by the events in Sumgait in 1988.

The war today became the result of the multi-vector policy that Armenia began to pursue with the coming to power of the new government. Small states striving for friendship with all at once, ultimately lose the support of all. Armenia went to this for two years, but, fortunately, did not manage to leave the CSTO. This allows us, Russia, today to have every reason to enter the war in the event of the transfer of hostilities to the territory of Armenia.

Azerbaijan's position looks better from a legal point of view. But there are pitfalls here too. It is clear that Baku's confidence in victory is based not only on military and economic superiority, but also on the hope for Turkey's help. Azerbaijani troops can take NKR. But what's next? Where will the army of this republic go? Wouldn't the same thing happen to the military in Iraq, for example?

Help from the Turks? Turkey is a NATO member country. Which member, good or bad, doesn't matter. The appearance of Turkish soldiers in the ranks of the Azerbaijani army can be regarded as an attack on a CSTO member country. Accordingly, Russia gets the right to strike at the enemy of Armenia. CSTO against NATO ... Direct path to world war.

By the way, judging by the statement of our Foreign Ministry made yesterday by Maria Zakharova, we already have facts of recruiting Syrian militants to participate in the war in the NKR. It is clear that such statements are not made just like that.

How the war affected relations with the LPR and with Belarus


The Armenian-Azerbaijani war distracted us from other wars. Less bloody, but wars. I mean Belarus and the republics of Donbass. On the one hand, this is understandable. In Belarus, it seems, Lukashenka won, the opposition creeps into neighboring countries and hisses from there. There seems to be a truce in Donbas too. There are no active hostilities.

On the other hand, Belarus continues to be shaken by protest marches, the LDNR has been in limbo and has remained. There is no victory either there or there. The war has just entered another phase of the truce. It is not over. And all this can "jerk" at any moment and not at our will. We are not in control of the situation, by and large.

It seems to me that Armenia's problems associated with a multi-vector policy should finally open the eyes of President Lukashenko to the current practice of international relations. You can't be good to everyone at once. The world is therefore multipolar because there are several centers of attraction in it. And small countries, whether they want it or not, have to choose this very center for themselves. The alternative is disappearing from the political map of the world.

But Lukashenka is silent. Is silent on the most important issues. He is silent about the prospects of the union state. He is silent about the timing of political reform. Is silent on the election law. He is silent about the creation of political parties. To put it mildly, the position is strange. Again the Soviet approach? Let's gather representatives of labor collectives and decide everything? Collect the best of the best?

What's the worst? Does anyone care about their opinion? Or the popular in Ukraine "suitcase, train station, Russia (Poland, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Germany, etc.)"? A referendum on the future fate of the state will be ... Of course, there will be. Only in what century, in what country, under what president? Was it not early that Alexander Grigorievich sat down on the winner's laurel wreath?

Didn't we calm down early? If the problem is not talked about, then the problem disappears? Alas, it does not disappear, but becomes deeper. Why are there no statements about the union state from our president? All these "we are developing, deepening cooperation, creating joint projects" and so on do not suit us either.

The situation is exactly the same with the republics of Donbass. I am ashamed to read Ukrainian media reports about problems, for example, in Donetsk hospitals. I understand that we now have enough such problems in Russia too. We are a big country, and problems will arise and be solved. But there shouldn't be such problems in Donbass! There is a war ...

It is clear that the issue of joining the LPNR to Russia is not on the agenda today. For many reasons, including the lack of consensus in the society itself there. But why is the question with passports being delayed? Why can't those who want to become Russians do it? Are we afraid of someone?

By the way, about joining. How easy it is for us to resolve such issues if they do not specifically concern us! And how difficult everything becomes if we find ourselves in such a situation. How many Crimean Ukrainians today cannot meet with their relatives from Ukraine? It doesn't matter who is preventing it. The result is important.

Donbass has always been one. Moving from one village to another in connection with a change of place of work was not considered something out of the ordinary. They worked where their profession was needed. Career growth has also contributed to this mobility. And at the time of the coup d'état, the relatives and friends of most of the indigenous people lived throughout the Donbass.

It seems to me that the issue of joining today is not on the agenda, and that is why. It is difficult not only to unite, but also to separate. It is impossible to artificially unite or separate the people. Watch video reports from Belarusian villages bordering on Lithuania, from Ukrainian villages and cities, where the border runs right through the streets. Listen to people. How much bitterness and pain there is ...

War tears away the veils


Many issues that seem insignificant to us in a peaceful life, with the advent of war, grow to the level of problems. Moreover, this phenomenon extends not only to the combat zone, but also to everyone who is somehow connected with this war.

The war in Karabakh is no exception. In a completely different, two-faced form, we saw, for example, Macron. We saw the results of the multi-vector policy. We saw the problems of states' defense capabilities. We see how fragile the world really is and how easily it turns into a bloody carnage. We have already seen a lot of things and will see more.

War removes the skin from life, leaving an open wound on everything and everyone.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 1 October 2020 11: 02
    -14 qualifying.
    There are vague doubts that Azerbaijan will take Karabakh “on its military superiority”, even with the active help of Turkey (which has enough problems of its own). It is too early to draw conclusions. Moreover, the Armenians can easily nullify the economic superiority of Azerbaijan, simply by fucking Iskanders on the Neftyanka, there are not so many objects there - Iskander is definitely enough, there is simply nothing to oppose this Azerbaijan! It will take years to recover! And when the trickle of petrodollars runs out - we'll see how the Azerbaijanis themselves will relate to the War, and if we add to this Cargo 200 and 300 - which both sides can provide themselves well, it is generally difficult with forecasts.
    By tearing off the veils, it has always been so, To whom the War - and to whom the Mother is dear!
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 1 October 2020 11: 13
      23
      The only position that our diplomats must adhere to is the interests of Russia.

      No one should involve us in a military confrontation unnecessary for Russia.
      This is especially true for the Armenian side.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 October 2020 11: 25
        +3
        Diplomats are the mouthpiece of those who rule at the very top!
        Questions should be directed to the right place.
      2. bandabas
        bandabas 1 October 2020 12: 58
        +9
        Do we still have normal diplomats? I doubt it.
      3. Magadan
        Magadan 1 October 2020 23: 26
        +2
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        The only position that our diplomats must adhere to is the interests of Russia.
        No one should involve us in a military confrontation unnecessary for Russia.


        Yeah, I remember the same thing about "we will not let ourselves be trapped", when the Donbass Ukronatsiki began to crush. They began to shit from the graves on civilians. To kill children.
        Immediately from all the screens, "let's not-let-ourselves-incite" it started.
        And I remember how they began to prepare us in advance for the idea that Strelkov would heroically die in Slavyansk. Thank God, Strelkov had other thoughts on this matter, and instead of his death, he arranged a mass death of the ukrovoyak near Izvarino, in the very first cauldron for the Banderaites.
        And what about the "interests of Russia" - what do you mean here?
        Personally, by the interests of the Motherland I mean exclusively its Honor. This means the protection of Armenia, which has been our friend from time immemorial. Just like Turkey has been our enemy from time immemorial. And now it does not cease to be.
        And if for you such concepts as "from time immemorial", "honor of ancestors", "our roots" are an empty phrase, then, I am afraid, according to this logic, rainbow flags, gay pride parades, juvenile justice and other current modern " values ​​".
        1. Oprichnik
          Oprichnik 6 October 2020 02: 19
          +2
          Or maybe it's enough to lose our people for unreliable pseudo-allies, especially Armenians.
          Azerbaijan is right - it wants to return the occupied lands and has no claims to Armenia, but has to the "Karabakh Republic" unrecognized by anyone, even by Armenia itself. Yes - the Turks are our eternal geopolitical enemy or simply an enemy, and it is better to refrain from close contacts with them and generally keep them at gunpoint.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 1 October 2020 11: 14
      +7
      In the sense of nothing? At least in the nuclear power plant, at least in Yerevan.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 1 October 2020 11: 22
      10
      NKR is the territory of Azerbaijan ..... except NKR, there are 5 more regions occupied. If the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is hammering, then there are no questions ..... And on what basis will Armenia hammer on Azerbaijan? He has an agreement with the Turks, and the ODKB will not be able to help Armenia, which will attack Azerbaijan.
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 1 October 2020 11: 33
        +9
        Quote: Zaurbek
        .And Armenia on what basis will hammer on Azerbaijan? He has an agreement with the Turks, and the ODKB will not be able to help Armenia, which will attack Azerbaijan.

        That's right, I support. If the Armenians use "Iskander" and even on the Azerbaijani oil industry, it will mean an attack by Armenia on Azerbaijan, "Iskander" is not in service with the army of Nagorno-Karabakh, they were sold by Russia to Armenia, then it turns out that Armenia is the aggressor and attacked Azerbaijan. Now the war is going on on the territory of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh, on the territory of Armenia and Azerbaijan there are no hostilities, although it is clear that the armed forces of Armenia take part in the hostilities, but the use of Iskanders against the Azerbaijani oil industry is definitely a war along the entire Armenian-Azerbaijani border, strikes against Yerevan and Baku, across the entire infrastructure of the countries: nuclear power plants, oil pipelines, dams, a full-scale war between Armenia and Azerbaijan until victory.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 1 October 2020 11: 39
          10
          Moreover, the NKR is not recognized by Armenia itself, but the occupied 5 districts are generally between the NKR and Armenia (they were most likely occupied by the NKR)
          1. Scorpio05
            Scorpio05 2 October 2020 03: 07
            +2
            In fact, in addition to Nagorno-Karabakh, 7 Azerbaijani regions are occupied by Armenia
        2. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 1 October 2020 12: 04
          +7
          I will add. Legally, military operations are being conducted on the territory of Azerbaijan.
        3. Stena
          Stena 1 October 2020 17: 28
          -4
          It is important to note that
          Quote: Anatole Klim
          Quote: Zaurbek
          .And Armenia on what basis will hammer on Azerbaijan? He has an agreement with the Turks, and the ODKB will not be able to help Armenia, which will attack Azerbaijan.

          That's right, I support. If the Armenians use "Iskander" and even on the Azerbaijani oil industry, it will mean an attack by Armenia on Azerbaijan, "Iskander" is not in service with the army of Nagorno-Karabakh, they were sold by Russia to Armenia, then it turns out that Armenia is the aggressor and attacked Azerbaijan. Now the war is going on on the territory of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh, on the territory of Armenia and Azerbaijan there are no hostilities, although it is clear that the armed forces of Armenia take part in the hostilities, but the use of Iskanders against the Azerbaijani oil industry is definitely a war along the entire Armenian-Azerbaijani border, strikes against Yerevan and Baku, across the entire infrastructure of the countries: nuclear power plants, oil pipelines, dams, a full-scale war between Armenia and Azerbaijan until victory.

          - this is not true. An example of this is the bus on the territory of Armenia and the SU-25 (on the same territory).
          Moreover, the NPP and other infrastructure facilities of Armenia, mainly Armenia, do not belong.
          On the issue of NK belonging to Az. or Armenia. These are the territories of the Russian Empire. And before that - the Persians (now - Iran).
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 1 October 2020 19: 49
            +3
            Quote: Stena
            - this is not true. An example of this is the bus on the territory of Armenia and the SU-25 (on the same territory).

            You read carefully the comments above, they propose to destroy the Azerbaijani oil industry by "Iskander", and in response to the Armenian nuclear power plant, this is still not an unfortunate bus without casualties. Regarding the SU-25, the Armenians claim that it was shot down by a Turkish F-16, the Turks and Azerbaijanis deny, but Russia is silent, and most likely they are monitoring the entire theater of military operations, including from satellites, Iran is also silent, by the way, several flew to Iran too stray shells, but there was not even an official protest.
            Moreover, the NPP and other infrastructure facilities of Armenia, mainly Armenia, do not belong.

            Unless someone will look at this, in a war even the embassies of other countries come under fire.
            On the issue of NK belonging to Az. or Armenia. These are the territories of the Russian Empire. And before that - the Persians (now - Iran).

            The Russian Empire owned a lot of things, and half of Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Transcaucasia, and even Alaska. The Baltics were bought from the Swedes, so live in the present.
      2. 9PA
        9PA 1 October 2020 11: 38
        -3
        Armenia will not be able to, but the NKR separatists may not be an escander of course

        Carry chestnuts with someone else's hands, this is about Russia
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 1 October 2020 11: 43
          +7
          The separatists do not have such weapons ...... and the Armenians took the path of democracy .... they have some kind of claims to the Russian Federation and to the Base and to the business of the Russian Federation. And they turned off the Russian channels.
      3. Vicontas
        Vicontas 1 October 2020 20: 16
        +4
        Azerbaijan will not stop fighting while the "restorer" of the Ottoman Empire Erdogan is breathing barbecue in its back. And in order to distract this "land gatherer" from Transcaucasia, you need to kick him on the back facade somewhere in the Idlib region! The Syrian troops, who are asleep and see the liberation of their province from the Turks and their "barmaley" from all kinds of "Well" and other groups, should kick it! The more they extinguish all this rabble, the more chances there are to distract the "chief executive officer" from fomenting the war in Karabakh. And the more chances Russia has to stifle this topic without touching its resources and people!
    4. Alexga
      Alexga 1 October 2020 11: 28
      +5
      just fucking Iskander in the Neftyanka, there are not so many objects there - Iskander is definitely enough, there is simply nothing to oppose to this Azerbaijan!

      Well, this threat has already been said that Azerbaijan will hit the nuclear power plant with Polonaises.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 1 October 2020 11: 43
        -2
        In place of the nuclear power plant, our usually supply air defense.
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 1 October 2020 11: 46
          -1
          Well, this is 50/50 in both cases. Either they get it or not.
      2. KCA
        KCA 1 October 2020 11: 53
        +2
        Aha, only in case of destruction will both Turkey, Iran, and Russia get it, after such Aliyev a political corpse, or even a war criminal, and Azerbaijan will be disarmed in 0
      3. Horon
        Horon 1 October 2020 11: 56
        +4
        Then not only neighbors but all countries will take up arms against Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan will not hit the nuclear power plant, it will find something else. Even for a blow to Yerevan it will fly less!
    5. max702
      max702 1 October 2020 13: 46
      +5
      Ultimately, all this fuss is an attempt to finally play off the Russian Federation and Turkey ..
      Armenia has abruptly lost its need for Russia, for what is it for? Absolutely nothing of value, not in the geopolitical, not in the material NO! Therefore, for what reason should the Russian Federation stand up for Armenia? And if we take into account the official policy of Armenia in recent years, then the only question is when will you return the money for the supplied weapons? There is absolutely no need for a military base there, it is Russia that has a military meaning in it! Therefore, let them gnaw each other for their own pleasure, and we will do our own gesheft on this "in the best traditions of the most democratic countries of the world ...
    6. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 1 October 2020 18: 49
      +1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Moreover, the Armenians can easily nullify the economic superiority of Azerbaijan, simply by fucking Iskanders on the Neftyanka, there are not so many objects there - Iskanders will definitely be enough, there is simply nothing to oppose this Azerbaijan!

      Why is there nothing? There is a nuclear power plant in Armenia http://armeniannpp.am/ru/about-us/history.html with a working unit ...
    7. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 1 October 2020 19: 36
      0
      The question will be solved much more elegantly. The coming economic crisis will force Turkey, Azerbaijan and Armenia to think about their daily bread ... There will be no time for war.
      All three will crawl to Sochi to negotiate.
      As my political economy teacher used to say: "Communism is the discipline of a stick, and capitalism is the discipline of hunger. wassat
  2. Mr.X
    Mr.X 1 October 2020 11: 22
    +2
    I understand when the cmenators write under different nicknames about the multi-vector nature of Armenia, everything is clear with them, but when they write an article on VO I want to ask, can you justify ?!
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 1 October 2020 11: 23
    12
    Multi-vector !!! How much of this word!!!
    And let's start with how in OUR country, everything is all right with this ??? Or is it the same?
    SOMETHING, it doesn't seem to me that the position of our leadership should be recognized .... understandable, for example, based on VERY MANY EVENTS!
  4. vvvjak
    vvvjak 1 October 2020 11: 24
    +8
    Yesterday I spoke with a former citizen of Azerbaijan. He says that this whole war is beneficial first of all to Pashinyan and Aliyev. The first promised a lot of things in the elections and did absolutely nothing, that's why popular unrest began in Armenia. The second one too much began to "tighten the screws" and turmoil began in Azerbaijan too. So they decided in this way to suppress ripening popular protests in both countries. In his opinion, the war will last another week, no more, and everyone will calm down.
    Py. Sy. This comrade claims that 10 corpses have already been brought to the area where he was born to bury.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 1 October 2020 13: 27
      +2
      War, continuation of domestic policy ..
  5. And why do you need
    And why do you need 1 October 2020 11: 25
    0
    Russian Foreign Ministry: “According to the information received, militants of illegal armed formations, in particular from Syria, Libya, are being transferred to the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in order to directly participate in hostilities.

    We are deeply concerned about these processes, which lead not only to an even greater escalation of tension in the conflict zone, but also create long-term threats to the security of all countries in the region.

    We call on the leaderships of the states concerned to take effective measures to prevent the use of foreign terrorists and mercenaries in the conflict and their immediate withdrawal from the region. "
  6. nikvic46
    nikvic46 1 October 2020 11: 34
    +1
    So much for nationalism "in a good sense of the word." After all, both sides consider this war to be just for themselves, and I am sure the citizens of NKR will suffer. For the sake of justice. As long as there is national hostility in the post-Soviet space (I am worried about it), this war is not the last.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 1 October 2020 19: 26
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      For the sake of justice. As long as there is national hostility in the post-Soviet space (I am worried about it), this war is not the last.

      You are a kind person, and you suffer for this. Interesting
      in the post-Soviet space
      worried about our wars in Chechnya, I am sure neither in Armenia nor in the Donbass a bit ...
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 2 October 2020 06: 01
        -2
        Lara Croft the Tomb Raider. The trouble is that every war comes to our home, and if not in the form of atrocities, then in the form of cruelty.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 2 October 2020 07: 51
          +2
          Quote: nikvic46
          every war comes to our home, and if not in the form of atrocities, then in the form of cruelty.

          I don’t remember the worried and whiny faces of the inhabitants of the former republics when the coffins came from Chechnya ...
          The Russian Federation with a modern diplomatic corps cannot influence what is happening in its "underbelly", Lavrov can only prepare Agreements on writing off debts to other states without knocking out any preferences for the Russian Federation ....
          Take Armenia tighter, nationalist Levon Ter-Petrosyan was replaced by comrades from the NKR ts. The "war parties", which have done nothing in 20 years, to resolve the conflict with Azerbaijan, but now the "Soros" are in power, Lavrov has done nothing for all this time either, only (as an Armenian himself) signed a long-term Agreement with Armenia on joint defense of Armenia and bought out the unprofitable companies of the energy complex of Armenia ...
  7. steelmaker
    steelmaker 1 October 2020 11: 36
    +1
    I believe that for not solving the problem of NKR, Transnistria, Donbass, the Lavrovsky Foreign Ministry should be dispersed with a filthy broom !! Lavrov did not even try to solve these problems, hoping that it would resolve itself. For 30 years that the NKR has existed, I have not heard a single proposal for the settlement of the conflict between peoples. What needs to be done so that two peoples live together? The USSR must return !! But this is impossible!! I think it is necessary to bring Russian peacekeeping troops into the NKR, create a police force, then withdraw weapons and only then allow the Azerbaijanis to return to their land to their homes. Only Russian troops can provide security guarantees for these two nations. Without a third force, these two nations will cut each other, like Georgians and Ossetians, Ukrainians and Russians in Donbas, Transnistria, Kosovo, etc.
    1. domokl
      1 October 2020 11: 48
      10
      contact group on the settlement of the Karabakh problem ... You can see. In general, Armenia and Azerbaijan are independent states and Russia can regulate something there only at their request.
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 1 October 2020 12: 17
      +4
      Lavrov is only following the instructions of the Kremlin.
    3. your1970
      your1970 6 October 2020 08: 45
      -1
      Quote: steel maker
      I think it is necessary to bring Russian peacekeeping troops into the NKR, create a police

      This is either with the consent of the parties or the occupation ...
      They have not agreed for 30 years, do you think they will agree to the peacekeepers ???? Schaz ....
      Well, at the same time, how do you plan to supply the peacekeepers?
  8. iouris
    iouris 1 October 2020 11: 47
    +3
    There are no red lines in Transcaucasia, everyone is against the Russian Federation. All agreements have been cleared. Pashinyan and his administration are leading the case to the involvement of some kind of OSCE or even the United States. This directly follows from the fact that Armenia is blocked from all sides, with the exception of Iran. In such conditions, the war will not last long and the results for Armenia will not be successful. All parties and Georgia are participating in the game, the purpose of which is to demonstrate the impotence of the Russian Federation, surpassing Turkey's regional influence in the region. And Turkey is NATO and the United States. An appeal for "help" may follow after the surrender of a part of the territories in Nagorno-Karabakh, the defeat of the Russian-oriented political forces, and the accusation of the Russian Federation of losing. This will be followed by some kind of solution to the conflict, the withdrawal of the Russian Federation from the Transcaucasus and another "geopolitical catastrophe" that has names and surnames. Game over. We'll have to turn the table over to solve the "question". "British scientists" have proved that there is strength. The case is small.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 1 October 2020 19: 26
      +1
      What are the political forces oriented towards the Russian Federation? They are not there.
      I believe that the CSTO should be disbanded, and the base should be withdrawn from Armenia, the southern borders should be strengthened and then let them figure it out themselves. Let Iran defend Armenia if it wants to. Well, the Armenians with the Azeris go home, guys.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 4 October 2020 12: 31
        +1
        Go home can be said to citizens of the two republics living in the Russian Federation. Armenians and Azerbaijanis citizens of the Russian Federation can neither be evicted nor deprived of their citizenship. The Constitution of the Russian Federation does not allow this. Moreover, a significant part of them have never been citizens of Armenia and Azerbaijan - for example, the Rostov and Krasnodar Armenians (although there are also recent settlers from Armenia, Karabakh, Baku), Dagestani Azerbaijanis. A large number of Armenians have been living in Moscow and St. Petersburg since the 18-19th centuries.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 4 October 2020 14: 34
          -1
          Doesn't the constitution allow? In the light of recent events - a funny statement.
  9. Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 1 October 2020 11: 54
    +3
    I remembered about Sumgait and forgot about Khojaly ... you settled Armenians on our lands ... well, think quickly where to transfer them, just do not forget that, soon you will hear that these are primordially Armenian lands. I wanted to continue and then changed my mind ... this time I think we just need to finish off the enemy. And you think and write what you want ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 October 2020 13: 07
      -4
      Quote: Otshelnik
      you settled Armenians on our lands ...

      The land belongs to those who cultivate it. Go and process.
      1. Not with you
        Not with you 1 October 2020 14: 07
        +1
        That is ... in Transbaikalia
        China leased hectares
        arable land ...
        Now the Chinese farmers
        processed .....
        I'll go and make them happy, the farmers.
        1. iouris
          iouris 1 October 2020 15: 52
          -4
          They are happy with the earth and demand nothing. By the way, the thought is correct - move to Transbaikalia. Or take a whole "Far Eastern hectare". Then there will be no time to knock on the keys.
  10. Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 October 2020 12: 04
    +1
    The war will end, but there will be more problems. Starting from the pro-Turkish militants in Transcaucasia and fraternization of Aliyev and Erdogan, which could end badly for Azerbaijan.
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 October 2020 13: 09
      0
      Quote: Pavel57
      could end badly for Azerbaijan

      Azerbaijan has already lost its subjectivity. It will end badly for everyone. There is no choice: either everyone will be saved, or everyone is covered.
  11. Kronos
    Kronos 1 October 2020 12: 18
    +2
    Russia will not fight for Armenia, and the howls of World War 3 are groundless.
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 October 2020 13: 11
      +4
      Armenia and Azerbaijan - Russia. That we have lost. What remains to lose is what remains. It is not hard. The main thing is to do nothing.
  12. avia12005
    avia12005 1 October 2020 12: 46
    +2
    The further events develop, the more obvious it becomes that Moscow is not going to prevent or resolve the existing and emerging conflicts. It is not difficult to guess what such hiding of the head in the sand will lead to: in the near future you will have to fight.
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 October 2020 20: 53
      -2
      Quote: avia12005
      It is not difficult to guess what such hiding of the head in the sand will lead to: in the near future, you will have to fight.

      Or maybe it won't have to. The floor is concrete.
      Peskov already speaks Turkish. He knows something.
  13. demo
    demo 1 October 2020 13: 18
    25
    Especially my personal opinion is as follows.
    There are about 2.5 million Armenians living in the Russian Federation.
    The Diaspora must loudly and unequivocally declare that they want and will defend "their" land from the invaders.
    While the diaspora is silent. Battalions are not being formed yet. Until businessmen of Armenian descent and their major kids donned kirzachs and took up arms, up to this point Russia and the Russians should sit straight and not twitch.
    If a nation wants to defend itself, then there is no need to scatter across the Americas and France. We need to equip the house.
    And if you do not have life at home and there is not enough living space, then you should not regret your lost homeland.
    My wife is Armenian. Her ancestors are refugees from Olt (Turkey).
    Yesterday he asks how I feel about these events.
    My answer is simple. If I see that the Armenians (her relatives) are going to somehow help their fellow believers, then I will harness. If apart from toasts - For the victory! nothing else happens, then you can relax.
    1. Not with you
      Not with you 1 October 2020 14: 11
      +9
      Maru Baghdasaryan with her
      don't forget to grab ...
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 1 October 2020 16: 48
      -4
      You probably don't know, but Armenians are already being supported by money, volunteers have come from different countries.
      1. demo
        demo 1 October 2020 17: 05
        +2
        Well, why not in the know.
        But I mean those representatives of this ethnic group who are here and now next to me.
        However, I also wanted to say something.
        After one sensational scandal with Margarita Simonyan (Rasha Today), when she lectured Nikol Pashinyan, I decided to take a closer look at the events of 150 years ago.
        Those interested can independently spend time and find out the details of the Russian-Turkish war in the Transcaucasus.
        However, I was interested in something else. How did the Armenians show themselves in that war?
        And interesting details came to light.
        The corps commanders were Armenian generals.
        In parts of the Russian troops, there were up to 10% of Armenians (who had previously moved to the Russian Empire and those who were already refugees from Turkey).
        Grandfathers and great-grandfathers of the wife - tsarist officers fought and did not spare their blood.
        Therefore, I have a dual attitude towards Armenians.
        Male warriors inspire respect and admiration in me.
        Well, those who sat out "in the rear", and there are such at all times among all peoples - this is slag.
        But the most interesting thing is not even that.
        Foam rises.
        They are beginning to express their claims against Armenia and the young generation of Armenians, who, you see, do not appreciate the Russian blood shed for them.
        But it is also obvious that young people will know what they will be allowed to know.
        And the same Margarita, being the General Director of a very large media company, could organize a series of programs, not even about how the Russians fought, but how the Armenians fought for their freedom and the lives of their families.
        And then, even the most stupid one would have a thought about how it happened that they managed to throw off the Ottoman yoke.
        But, unfortunately, Margarita does not want to do anything except swearing for Armenia (read Russia) and for the Armenians.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 1 October 2020 19: 18
          +6
          Margarita is a billionaire, lives on a ruble, has only a formal relationship to the Armenians, but in fact a cosmopolitan who cuts the budget and looks for a warmer place.
          1. demo
            demo 1 October 2020 19: 38
            +3
            I have no doubt.
            But if you have Armenian roots, you were born in an Armenian family, heard the stories of your grandmothers and aunts about the events of a century ago, and it entered your flesh and blood so that you allowed yourself to start scolding the head of the Armenian state like a barefoot, resting on that you are an Armenian, then you must continue to pursue the same policy.
            And the fact that there are market women with a billion dollar wallet is not news.
            Culture, like the mind, cannot be bought.
            1. Megatron
              Megatron 1 October 2020 19: 46
              +3
              Any capitalist is first of all a thief and a bourgeois, and then only has a nationality, hiding behind it only when it is profitable.
              1. demo
                demo 1 October 2020 19: 56
                +2
                Without doubt.
                1. Megatron
                  Megatron 1 October 2020 19: 59
                  +2
                  Tigran has not contacted her yet - he was a decent person, and right now, apart from disgust, nothing causes anything.
                  1. demo
                    demo 1 October 2020 20: 05
                    -1
                    Can not say anything. Personally not familiar.
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 4 October 2020 12: 41
              0
              Pashinyan is the head of the Armenian government. And the head of state is the president of Armenia. Although, according to the new constitution, the head of the government has real power in Armenia.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 4 October 2020 12: 39
            0
            Hardly a billionaire. But the ruble multimillionaire for sure.
  14. steelmaker
    steelmaker 1 October 2020 13: 31
    +7
    "Armenia and Azerbaijan are independent states and Russia can regulate something there only at their request"
    Then do not interfere with the independent states to sort things out. And there is no need for Russia to interfere there. And Pashinyan, before asking for something from Russia, must first return the Russian language to schools, return the Russian names to the renamed streets (it was not he who gave these streets names to rename them), and let the Russian media work. And how to flirt with the United States, we are independent, but how they started killing Armenians, so immediately - help the Russians! They do not want Russian peacekeepers, let them call the amers.
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 October 2020 15: 50
      -1
      There are no independent states in Eurasia (former USSR). Politicians demanding independence want to depend a little on others as well. This is purely materially beneficial to them, and the regime of power can receive external support.
  15. Megatron
    Megatron 1 October 2020 19: 15
    +4
    Armenia went to this for two years, but, fortunately, did not manage to leave the CSTO. This allows us, Russia, today to have every reason to enter the war in the event of the transfer of hostilities to the territory of Armenia.


    Disgusting little article. Is Staver a protege of the Armenians? So he wants to send our soldiers to die for the Armenian occupiers. Go yourself as a volunteer and grab your children, you’ll write reports from there!

    And let the USA protect Armenia now.
  16. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 1 October 2020 19: 18
    0
    Quote: steel maker
    For 30 years that the NKR has existed, I have not heard a single proposal on the settlement of the conflict between peoples

    All these years negotiations between Armenia and Azerbaijan have been going on with the participation of the USA, France and the Russian Federation.
    Everything is simple there. Azerbaijan demands to return the captured, Armenia refuses, because if returned, the NKR will become absolutely defenseless and dependent only on someone else's will. At the same time, both of them do not believe each other for a penny.
    And what does Lavrov have to do with it?
  17. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 1 October 2020 19: 22
    +5
    Quote: demo
    In parts of the Russian troops there were up to 10% of Armenians

    Well yes. We urgently need a cycle of programs on TV, how the Armenians freed the Caucasus from the Turks ...
    The remaining 90%, as I understood, got confused under the feet of the liberators.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 1 October 2020 19: 48
      +3
      They write that as many as 2.5 million Armenians now live in Russia, even if a quarter comes to the rescue, they will simply crush Azerbaijan, like the Chinese, and so far no particular movement is visible.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 4 October 2020 12: 45
        +1
        A significant part of Russian (as well as French, American, Lebanese) Armenians love their historical homeland purely theoretically, from afar. To be fair, it should be noted that many of them have never been to Armenia, and some do not know the Armenian language.
    2. demo
      demo 5 October 2020 07: 01
      0
      I said what I said.
      The rest - you have thought up and expressed yourself.
      The facts must be made public.
      It is useless to say that strong, healthy men sat out with their wives under their skirts.
      They took up arms and fought.
      And the fact that the number and training did not allow them to resist - this led to the Armenian genocide.
      And I said all this not in order to diminish the role of Russians in the liberation of Armenians, but so that the modern youth of Armenia could begin to correctly orientate themselves in matters of "friends and enemies".
      This should be the policy of Russia in Armenia.
      Others will not find a response.
  18. Olezhek
    Olezhek 1 October 2020 19: 58
    -7
    In Belarus, it seems, Lukashenko won, the opposition is creeping into neighboring countries and hissing from there


    Dreams, dreams ... where is your sweetness

    Your Lukoshkin has only a few months left ...
    You can't defeat your people
    NOT

    1. domokl
      1 October 2020 20: 28
      +5
      And who told you that these snotty young men and women are the people * What have they done for the country? The people are those who are now standing at the machines ... We have the same wandering along the embankment. We look at them as idiots .. Are they people too? Just like leaving school or university after a lecture, they immediately become a nation .. Well, well
      1. Firelake
        Firelake 3 October 2020 12: 21
        -1
        Deprive them of their citizenship and give them their taxes. Then buy them a ticket from the country. And then issue these maxims. They are citizens. Country.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 4 October 2020 12: 48
          0
          The Constitution of the Russian Federation explicitly prohibits depriving citizens of the Russian Federation of citizenship. The only exception is if a person who recently received citizenship received it illegally, in violation of existing rules, for a bribe, etc.
  19. Fierce73
    Fierce73 1 October 2020 21: 24
    +5

    it is very important not to get involved in this conflict.
  20. Loginoff
    Loginoff 2 October 2020 00: 35
    0
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Moreover, the Armenians can easily nullify the economic superiority of Azerbaijan, simply by fucking Iskanders on the Neftyanka River, there are not so many objects there - Iskanders will definitely be enough, there is simply nothing to oppose this Azerbaijan! It will take years to recover! And when the trickle of petrodollars runs out, we'll see how the Azerbaijanis themselves will relate to the War

    For Armenians it will be a shot in the leg. His own and Russia. Lukoil has major projects in Azerbaijan. In general, Azerbaijan is more integrated into our economy. This conflict has already responded to Lukoil with a decrease in capitalization by 1 / 40th, and before that it was hit by a new severance tax. And this is at the level of falling oil prices. Here the Tatars (Volga Bulgars, to be more precise) will be delighted!
    The unleashed war is a direct result of the victorious color revolution. The same thing would have arisen in Byelorussia if the Old Man had not shown determination.
    And now the most worthy Men of Armenia and Azerbaijan are dying in battles. This is the most tragic thing.
    Subtotal: Armenia and Azerbaijan are losing their best people, economy, the opportunity to try on another generation of people. Along the way, the economies of Turkey and Russia, which are far from perfect, are bursting. The overseas puppeteer rubs his hands in satisfaction.
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 2 October 2020 03: 12
    0
    Alexander (to the author of the article) - Why are you telling us banal things, in the sense that the world is fragile, and everything else .... What kind of reaction are you expecting? And most importantly, what audience are you expecting? Probably I can't wait for an answer, but I would like, as long as you are one of the authors of "VO", please do not imitate and imitate the characters who every day, at different times, on four or five TV channels, convince us that which in fact is not in the country, and will not be, until ... the Supreme Command is in the Kremlin! sad
  22. CBR600
    CBR600 2 October 2020 09: 47
    -1
    Quote: bandabas
    Do we still have normal diplomats? I doubt it.

    What a difficult job. It is generally difficult to work. A mediocre work is a crime.
  23. certero
    certero 5 October 2020 13: 02
    0
    Quote: Magadan
    instead of his death, he arranged a mass death of an ukrovoyak near Izvarino, in the very first cauldron for Bandera.

    Strelkov would not have arranged anything without the "north wind"