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Foreign press: If Azerbaijan and Turkey take too harsh measures, Armenia may hit the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline

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In the expert environment, a point of view is expressed according to which the armed conflict that broke out with renewed vigor in Nagorno-Karabakh may turn out to be beneficial to those forces that have nothing to do with the Caucasus region. In particular, the point of view was expressed that the war in the Transcaucasus could lead to a direct clash of interests of Moscow and Ankara in this region. And there are many forces in the world that would benefit from a sharp "cooling" in relations between Turkey and Russia.


James Stavridis shares his thoughts on this in his article. The article was published in the Bloomberg news agency and is directly devoted to the conflict between Baku and Yerevan.

The author explains to the readers historical border of the conflict and tells that the main struggle unfolded in an enclave inside Azerbaijan, where ethnic Armenians compactly live.

Stavridis writes that at one time he visited both Armenia and Azerbaijan, and notes that between representatives of the bureaucratic apparatus, between people, national hatred hovers, associated with historical factors.

From the material:

And no one was going to make concessions, in anything. No one wanted to retreat a single step, and in the literal sense, too.

Stavridis, a former NATO functionary, writes about the "main danger" of the renewed conflict in the South Caucasus.

This danger, according to the author of the material, is the very possibility of a clash between Russia and Turkey. The author recalls that Russia has obligations in the CSTO format, and Turkey has openly announced its readiness to support Azerbaijan, including militarily.

At the same time, Stavridis recalls that Azerbaijan has a serious vulnerability - an oil pipeline passing just a few kilometers from the borders of Armenia.

Authors in other foreign media also draw attention to this, noting that if Azerbaijan and Turkey take too harsh measures, then Armenia may respond with a blow to the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan gas pipeline. And this could lead to a conflict between Moscow and Ankara.

In his article in Bloomberg, the observer writes that, based on the context of the conflict, there are very few chances for a peaceful settlement, but all measures must be taken so that the parties at least cease fire.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 1 October 2020 07: 34 New
    +7
    Oh, and the Sultan will finish badly!
    Our multi-vector ...
    As if the ass doesn’t crack ... On so many chairs at once to swing.
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 1 October 2020 07: 59 New
      10
      Correspondent SHARES THOUGHTS. Provocator. Others will pick up and will stir up. Like a broken telephone. The headline "Armenians will strike at the oil pipeline". And all because one "shared his thoughts."
    2. hrych
      hrych 1 October 2020 08: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Victor_B
      On so many chairs to swing out at once.

      Yes, this is when you want to please everyone, but here you broke into death with everyone wassat And so the Armenians were not given Iskander for nothing, but to destroy the oil and gas infrastructure. Here's how. There will be successes at the front, the rear will burn and everything will be covered with black soot. The country is small and densely populated.
      1. venik
        venik 1 October 2020 10: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        And so the Armenians were not given Iskander for nothing, but to destroy the oil and gas infrastructure.

        =======
        Yes, even "Iskander" is not needed here! A gas pipeline a few kilometers from the Armenian border - MLRS or ordinary art - is enough! And "Iskander", if you drive it to Stepanakert, it may even reach Baku! drinks
        1. hrych
          hrych 1 October 2020 17: 39 New
          +2
          drinks The gas pipeline is usually buried. And welding the pipe section in place of the damaged one is not a problem. You need to hit the pumping-compressor station and the distribution station. Here the damage is significant and requires extensive repair work. Although if you constantly tear just a pipe and still not allow it to be restored, then it's also not bad. And so, of course, an oil refinery with huge columns with a combustible substance. The wells themselves, as the original source of raw materials, etc. Where are the saboteurs in general? Where are the Armenian nuclear scientists? am
          1. venik
            venik 1 October 2020 18: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: hrych
            drinks The gas pipeline is usually buried. ...

            =======
            Buried? No !!! No.

            (Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum gas pipeline)


            (Oil pipeline Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan)

            Usually they just let him in on top! Firstly, because "bury" is too much expensive и long (especially in mountainous conditions). And secondly - precisely in order to make it easier and easier and faster to detect и substitute damaged area! yes
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            Quote: hrych
            And welding the pipe section in place of the damaged one is not a problem.

            ========
            I agree! But only if at this moment for you do not beat from "Grad" !!! And to break the oil pipe - so generally a purple nightmare! There, until the tap is turned off in Baku - not hundreds - thousands of tons of oil will pour out of the pipe, and if it catches fire from ruptures - ooh! Until everything burns out - you won't come within a kilometer!
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            Quote: hrych
            You need to hit the pumping-compressor station and the distribution station. Here the damage is significant and requires extensive repair work.

            =========
            That yes, then - YES! drinks But, there from the gas compressor station (near the Azerbaijani Jevlakh) to northern Karabakh - 30-40 kilometers. You can get from the "Smerch" and from the "Hurricane" (I do not know if the Armenians have "Hurricanes") and "Tochka-U" (it certainly is!) ...... But the oil pumping station is exactly that, only "Iskander" will get it (it is located next to Baku).

            Conclusion: If they wish, the Armenians can easily shut off the gas and oil "taps" - there is something! drinks
            1. hrych
              hrych 1 October 2020 19: 00 New
              +1
              I agree that this is buried here, but in the mountains the soil and relief does not allow. Moreover, then it is easier to send the saboteur Frunzik. wassat wassat In the pipe itself, explosives are under pressure. drinks
              1. venik
                venik 1 October 2020 19: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: hrych
                I agree that this is buried here, but in the mountains the soil and relief does not allow. Moreover, then it is easier to send the saboteur Frunzik. wassat wassat In the pipe itself, explosives are under pressure. drinks

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                Nope, what are you! They don't bury us either !!!

                (Blue Stream gas pipeline)


                (Druzhba oil pipeline)
                Well, maybe only in some areas .... And so they try to "top" to start up. And to bury is too expensive, too long, it is difficult to control the condition of the pipes and get to the accident site ...
                And diyersants are, of course, the scourge of all product pipelines ... Even if they are "buried"! That is why they are so carefully guarded! (At least with us).
                Quote: hrych
                In the pipe itself, explosives are under pressure.

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                Yes, not just "explosives" - this is a gigantic "volumetric explosion" ammunition !!!

                So the Azerbaijanis are at great risk !!!
        2. begemot20091
          begemot20091 2 October 2020 22: 16 New
          0
          Distance between Baku and Stepanakert is 274 kilometers. Iskander-K - a variant using two R-500 cruise missiles, firing range - 500 km. correct if I'm wrong.
          1. venik
            venik 2 October 2020 22: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: begemot20091
            Distance between Baku and Stepanakert is 274 kilometers. Iskander-K - a variant using two R-500 cruise missiles, firing range - 500 km. correct if I'm wrong.

            =========
            Correcting: For export, according to the "Agreement on the Non-Proliferation of Missile Technologies", an export version of the "Iskander-E" is supplied with a specially lowered missile range - 300 km! smile
            1. begemot20091
              begemot20091 6 October 2020 20: 23 New
              +1
              Thanks. However, it will FLY winked
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 1 October 2020 08: 49 New
      +2
      Will not crack, he still has to paint and paint. laughing

      Well, in general, the strain already predicts what year, and the Sultan, on the contrary, only increases the scope of intervention in the territory of the former empire.

      And don't forget that Turkey has Qatar, which participates in everything with money. For the Sultan is his only defense against other monarchies. When they were already moving the tanks and preparing to enter Doha, the Turkish battalion was transferred and Turkey openly announced that it would stand up for Qatar. For this, Qatar will now take part in all adventures (well, the Turkish base in Qatar is now for many decades).
    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 1 October 2020 08: 54 New
      +2
      And then Georgia, furious from economic losses, will close all borders with Armenia. Logistics through Iran will simply finish off the Armenian economy.
      I'm not even talking about the fact that Armenia probably has its own pain points.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 1 October 2020 09: 11 New
        +4
        Greetings, Aron. hi
        Infa has gone that the chief of the General Staff of Azerbaijan has been declared an agent of the GRU and is on the wanted list. It is said that from the very beginning he came into conflict with the Turkish "advisers". Its location is currently unknown.
        Question. Azerbaijani Il-76 why did you fly to Tel Aviv? For "Harop"?
    5. Maz
      Maz 1 October 2020 09: 24 New
      +7

      You can look at the lost face of the press secretary of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry Anar Eyvazov forever. Symphony of silence. Your face When you know that it is not good to lie, but the owner needs it ...
    6. Terenin
      Terenin 1 October 2020 09: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: Victor_B
      Oh, and the Sultan will finish badly!
      Our multi-vector ...
      As if the ass doesn’t crack ... On so many chairs at once to swing.

      In any case, Azerbaijan's loss or gain, the Turks will strengthen their relationship with it. It is beneficial for Turkey that this conflict lasts and does not stop.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 1 October 2020 10: 45 New
        +2
        Greetings, Gennady. hi
        The Armenians stated that they shot down an Azerbaijani helicopter, which fell on the territory of Iran. No confirmation video yet.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 1 October 2020 11: 32 New
          +5
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Greetings, Gennady. hi
          The Armenians stated that they shot down an Azerbaijani helicopter, which fell on the territory of Iran. No confirmation video yet.

          Hello Stas hi
          Information support of clashes is always important.
          It is expensive to "feed" the war with human and material resources and it is necessary to approach the negotiations, but preferably from an advantageous position. For now, the current positions of the parties rule out negotiations.
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 1 October 2020 12: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Terenin
            Information support of clashes is always important.

            If at first the Armenians were in the lead according to the provided confirmations, now Azerbaijan.
            But the artillerymen are Armenians, they work hard. Old school. good
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 1 October 2020 12: 16 New
              +5
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              Quote: Terenin
              Information support of clashes is always important.

              If at first the Armenians were in the lead according to the provided confirmations, now Azerbaijan.
              But the artillerymen are Armenians, they work hard. Old school. good

              The beginning of any war is accepted with the euphoria of imaginary courage, and then the "fantasy" ends, blood, death, dirt, anger begins ...
              Turkey, of course, is rushing about with its "great Ottoman empire" without losing, but why do our former republics need it? I think soon these "hot southern guys" will also start asking themselves this question.
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 1 October 2020 12: 50 New
                +3
                Quote: Terenin
                I think soon these "hot southern guys" will also start asking themselves this question.

                It all depends on the development of events and the losses of the parties. Azerbaijan, in vain, gave the go-ahead for the use of "Idlib" militants. Iran has already issued a statement that it will not allow the NKR to become a hotbed of terrorism. I wonder how quickly Armenia will have Iranian UAVs? what
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 1 October 2020 15: 28 New
                  +4
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  use of "Idlib" militants. Iran has already issued a statement that it will not allow the NKR to become a hotbed of terrorism. I wonder how quickly Armenia will have Iranian UAVs?

                  Yes, Stas, this is what they call the escalation of the armed conflict yes
  2. 9PA
    9PA 1 October 2020 07: 39 New
    +3
    I don’t understand at all what the clash of interests between Moscow and Ankara is. But on the sly, it is a good idea to arrange a small trouble at the gas pipeline, only the Russian Federation is capable of 100% guaranteeing gas supplies.

    Ankara advertises bayraktars, Moscow air defense and classic warfare
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 08: 54 New
      -5
      Quote: 9PA
      But on the sly it is a good idea to make a small mess near the gas pipeline

      Which gas pipeline?
      Quote: 9PA
      only the Russian Federation is capable of 100% guaranteeing gas supplies.

      what does gas have to do with it?
      1. 9PA
        9PA 1 October 2020 09: 06 New
        0
        Authors in other foreign media also draw attention to this, noting that if Azerbaijan and Turkey take too harsh measures, then Armenia may respond with a blow to the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan gas pipeline. And this could lead to a conflict between Moscow and Ankara.

        The main competitors of South Stream and Turkish Stream are nabucco projects. Gas from Qatar, Turkistan through Azerbaijan and Turkey, then to Europe.

        Who knows to whom all this is more beneficial to Ankara or Moscow?
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 09: 09 New
          -1
          and what does the oil pipeline have to do with this conspiracy crap?
          1. 9PA
            9PA 1 October 2020 09: 12 New
            0
            Which pipeline?
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 09: 15 New
              0
              Quote: 9PA
              Which pipeline?

              Oil pipeline Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan named after Heydar Aliyev.
              1. 9PA
                9PA 1 October 2020 09: 15 New
                0
                I didn't write about the pipeline
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 09: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: 9PA
                  I didn't write about the pipeline

                  that is, the author called the oil pipeline a gas pipeline, and from this you began to build your conspiracy theories with gas, "streams", cathars, etc.?
                  1. 9PA
                    9PA 1 October 2020 09: 21 New
                    +1
                    And if you think a little?

                    Maybe in the light of this information, it is worth pumping up Armenia with weapons?

                    In October-November, the Trans-Adriatic Gas Pipeline (TAP) will be launched and the entire Southern Gas Corridor from Azerbaijan to Italy will start working. After the EU is about to fully switch to clean energy by 2050, it could become Europe's last gas megaproject for alternative gas supplies. With an initial capacity of 10 billion cubic meters per year for the EU countries, the Southern Gas Corridor will not change the European market, but it may come as an unpleasant surprise for other gas suppliers to southern Europe. Meanwhile, Gazprom is already experiencing the diversification of gas sources in the region.
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 09: 28 New
                      0
                      Quote: 9PA
                      And if you think a little?
                      Trans Adriatic Gas Pipeline (TAP) to be launched in October-November


                      what is also going near Karabakh? What are the far-reaching conclusions from the desires of the Armenians to bang Iskander on an oil pipe belonging to an international consortium. The question is the same - what is the connection between the oil pipe from Baku to Turkey and the gas market in Europe?
                      1. 9PA
                        9PA 1 October 2020 09: 32 New
                        0
                        Once again, I did not write about oil. And if you look like that? Do not tell me where the nkr is here. I think to bang down the pipe or point out the unreliability of the project, these are our wishlist

        2. 16329
          16329 1 October 2020 10: 46 New
          0
          Do not confuse the BTC oil pipeline and the BTE gas pipeline, in general there is a lot of things there, both a terminal and an NS and a compressor station, a developed infrastructure operated by international companies managed by BP
  3. Avior
    Avior 1 October 2020 07: 39 New
    +4
    On its own initiative, Armenia will not openly spread hostilities outside the zones near Karabakh.
    Loses the status of a victim of aggression.
    While formally they have nothing to do with the events at all, the Karabakh army is fighting with the Azerbaijanis
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 1 October 2020 07: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: Avior
      Loses the status of a victim of aggression.

      With the status of "victims of aggression" it is dull from the start, given that the hostilities are not taking place on the territory of the Republic of Armenia.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 1 October 2020 08: 40 New
        +1
        Whose? By the way, when did Yerevan recognize the independence of the NGO? Well, according to them, it turns out that the territory is official. and Armenians agree with this - Azerbaijan
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 08: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Loses the status of a victim of aggression.

      Armenians did not have such a status. How can you be a victim of aggression in someone else's territory?
      1. Avior
        Avior 1 October 2020 09: 28 New
        0
        I never wrote that I was.
        I meant that if the hostilities nevertheless begin on the territory of Armenia, it cannot lose this status.
        That is, they should not start on the initiative of Armenia in order to claim victim status.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 09: 32 New
          0
          Well, yes, if the Armenians shoot the pipe with Iskander in AZ, then it will not work to present oneself as a victim and hope for the intercession of the Russian Federation within the framework of the DOKB.
          1. Avior
            Avior 1 October 2020 09: 35 New
            0
            I, in fact, meant it
    3. mvg
      mvg 1 October 2020 09: 02 New
      +5
      the army of Karabakh is at war with the Azerbaijanis

      And I also don’t believe that the pre-basss иie miners organized the Ilovaisk boiler. And some militias are fighting. Yes, and that shoot down planes and OTR
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 1 October 2020 13: 45 New
        +1
        Miners are like children. They can accidentally break something. Or offend someone. Not out of malice.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 19: 55 New
        0
        Quote: mvg
        And I also don’t believe that the miners organized the Ilovaisk boiler.

        Unicorns, tooth fairies, guerilleros miners ...
    4. ccsr
      ccsr 1 October 2020 12: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      On its own initiative, Armenia will not openly spread hostilities outside the zones near Karabakh.

      Everything will depend on the further development of hostilities, so there is no need to decide in advance how the Armenian leadership will act and what it is capable of. By the way, here they quite rightly recalled the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline, because I am still surprised why it was not blown up by unknown persons. By the way, the Soviet special forces were perfectly able to use devices for determining underground communications, including cable lines and pipelines, which is why 10-20 kg of plastic will take this artery out for many days, which will lead to panic at the oil markets. So the leadership of Azerbaijan should remember this before trying to forcefully solve the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh. Maybe it will be cheaper to negotiate? Although, in my opinion, a solution to this conflict is not expected in the foreseeable future, I am sure of that.
      1. Avior
        Avior 1 October 2020 13: 05 New
        0
        As can be seen from the photo, the oil pipeline on the surface
        Just blow it up - open Pandora's box
        They won't say thank you
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 1 October 2020 07: 48 New
    +1
    The Sultan is playing risky .. What kind of Turkish front will it be? Enough strength? And in general - he is already tired of too many of his insolent antics, he stomped on too many corns .. I wonder what he is counting on? It is unlikely that Putin will be able to pretend this time that nothing is happening and Erdogan is his dumb sidekick. How much has he been forgiven? Such, for what, in fact, they usually immediately hit in the face? How many nishtyaks did they give him? So what? I don’t think that the current Tolstoyism of Russia is still boundless .. For such outright lawlessness cannot be let go, you can go so far .. Where will the Sultan climb further? To Abkhazia? To Chechnya? To Central Asia? Nah, you need to hit the raking legs now, and it hurts ..
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 1 October 2020 10: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: paul3390
      For such outright lawlessness cannot be let off the hands, that way you can go far .. Where will the Sultan climb next? To Abkhazia? To Chechnya? To Central Asia? Nooo, you need to hit the raking legs now, and it hurts ..

      Right. Turkey wants to do everything with someone else's hands. No wonder the Sultan with his "religious" words "pigs graze ... on this land ..." gave the command to terrorists of all stripes for jihad ... And, next to it is the North Caucasus, and the Volga region ... with "sleeping", for the time being, radicals ...
      1. Hwostatij
        Hwostatij 3 October 2020 13: 24 New
        -2
        What are these radicals sleeping in the Volga region? wassat
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 3 October 2020 21: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: Hwostatij
          What are these radicals sleeping in the Volga region? wassat

          Thanks for the question, Tail. Only your protruding tongue and drooling will show your wife or mom.

          I answer for members of the forum.

          Over the past two years, only in the Volga region:
          - April 2018, ISIS accomplices detained in Samara;
          - May 2018, a group of terrorist bombers in Saratov was destroyed;
          - May 2018, in Nizhny Novgorod, a terrorist who was preparing a terrorist attack was neutralized ... They belonged to a closed autonomous cell. The footage of the arrest of terrorists-bombers has been published. Pistols and explosive devices were found in the militants' car.
          - Bashkiria has been in the top five (sometimes in second or fourth place) in the rating for terrorist crimes for several years in a row. This rating is published by the General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation after summarizing statistical data.
          - And then comes Tatarstan ...
          Source: POSREDI.RU - https://posredi.ru/spjashhie-jachejki-dzhihadistov-ot-povolzhja-do-sibiri.html

          Hidden "sleeping cells" of jihadists are based on the ideas of al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, who developed the postulate of "individual jihad". Its meaning is that people who share the views of radical jihadists join them remotely and secretly. Only after the terrorist act has been committed, Al-Qaeda takes responsibility for it ...
          In modern Russia, "individual jihad" does not imply the indispensable arrival of an emissary to train sabotage groups. The initiative is given to local structures, whose members do not even have to take an oath ("bayat") to the Islamic State.
          The principle of distance makes it difficult to carry out anti-terrorist measures - such connections are difficult to trace.
          1. Hwostatij
            Hwostatij 3 October 2020 23: 39 New
            -2
            How scary to live, they have already surrounded wassat
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 4 October 2020 09: 24 New
              +3
              Quote: Hwostatij
              How scary to live, they have already surrounded wassat

              So what is it about.
              1. Hwostatij
                Hwostatij 4 October 2020 10: 58 New
                -2
                The sarcasm did not pass ...
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 4 October 2020 22: 24 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Hwostatij
                  The sarcasm did not pass ...

                  It will be, for some, sarcasm when these bearded men take you to the forest ... in different packages.
                  1. Hwostatij
                    Hwostatij 4 October 2020 23: 31 New
                    -2
                    It will be, for some, sarcasm when these bearded men take you to the forest ... in different packages.

                    In vain, dear, you miss taking tasty pills laughing
                    1. Terenin
                      Terenin 5 October 2020 07: 32 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Hwostatij
                      It will be, for some, sarcasm when these bearded men take you to the forest ... in different packages.

                      In vain, dear, you miss taking tasty pills laughing

                      Apparently, you have known their taste for a long time.
    2. 16329
      16329 1 October 2020 10: 48 New
      +1
      No one will get anywhere, poor Azerbaijanis to fight against Armenia is the same as the Arabs against Israel, the result is always the same
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 14: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: 16329
        poor Azerbaijanis to fight against Armenia is the same as the Arabs against Israel

        strange analogy.
  5. Livonetc
    Livonetc 1 October 2020 07: 49 New
    +5
    "Then Armenia can respond with a blow to the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan gas pipeline. And this can lead to a conflict between Moscow and Ankara."
    And how will Russia suffer?
    Nothing special will happen between Turkey and Russia.
    It has already happened and was regularly canceled out.
    They will not touch the Russian base in Armenia.
    If they strike at targets in Armenia, they will do it remotely.
    Russia can help Armenia repel these strikes.
    Look at the situation in Syria.
    Quite similar.
    And there are bases in Syria and strikes are being delivered by Israel and the United States and Turkey.
    And with Turkey, which illegally invaded Syria, the Russian military forces also participate in joint patrols.
    And in this situation, a compromise will be found and the spheres of influence will be divided.
    Azerbaijan was squeezed into a corner.
    And what should have happened happened.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 1 October 2020 08: 09 New
      +8
      The whole question is whether we need the reincarnation of the Ottoman Empire at our borders .. After all, Erdogan clearly imagines himself to be a type of ruler of all the faithful, and where then will he stop? Where will the paws run next? Are there too many Turks in our spheres of influence lately? Nooo - the Ottomans will have to beat their muzzles sooner or later, and it is better to do this at distant approaches than later, say, in Chechnya or Kazakhstan .. Or, God forbid, in Crimea or Tatarstan at all ..

      In general, Erdogan is clearly tired of too many people, and with the right approach, not only we will wish to settle scores with him .. But he must be resisted now, and harshly, finally leaving Tolstoy's policy of forgiveness of recent years. Otherwise, then it will be even worse .. The Ottomans seem to stupidly do not understand good, but they take forgiveness for open weakness ..

      And it looks like the policy of distributing nishtyaks and gingerbread was an outright mistake of Putin. One of too many lately. So you can finish badly ..
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 1 October 2020 08: 47 New
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        The mistake was the global confrontation, where and where it was not necessary.
        And the "Big Game", so far, goes with the score in favor of Russia.
        And the flag is shown all over the world and the influence is really growing.
        We now need global sales markets.
        Otherwise, we will not restore anything.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 09: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Livonetc
          And the flag is shown all over the world and the influence is really growing.

          specific examples of demonstration around the world can you?
          more details on the increased influence, please.
          Quote: Livonetc
          We now need global sales markets.

          sales of what?
      2. Ryusey
        Ryusey 1 October 2020 08: 50 New
        -1
        Russia cannot be the first to strike Turkey - politically it is not possible, it remains to wait for a provocation ...
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 09: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Ryusey
          Russia can't hit Turkey first

          why did you decide that the Russian Federation is going to fight the Turks? What kind of sick fantasies?
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 1 October 2020 10: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Livonetc
      “Then Armenia can respond with a blow to the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan gas pipeline.

      By the way, on the eve of the conflict, the Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan met with the Minister of Defense of Georgia and probably discussed issues of blocking the delivery of Russian cargo to the base. And, a Turkish warship came to Batumi with some kind of presentation ... So Georgia knew about the upcoming actions of Turkey and Azerbaijan and was silent. Let the Armenians ask their "good" Georgian neighbors about this ... they say, how is that? belay
  6. askort154
    askort154 1 October 2020 08: 05 New
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    This danger, according to the author of the material, is the very possibility of a clash between Russia and Turkey.

    And to the question - who benefits from it? There are not many answer options. Or rather, one - the United States.
    In full view of the whole world, they brazenly lay fires on Russia at its borders.
    They also instilled Pashayan into power, established their "office" in Yerevan, appeals appeared - to withdraw the Russian military base from Armenia. What Turkey has been dreaming about since Soviet times. In addition, the United States does not manage to drag Russia into a war with Ukraine, they decided to check how it will behave in relation to Armenia, which is a member of the CSTO, as well as with Turkey, which openly expresses its position of support for Azerbaijan. Diplomatically, what Russia is trying to do this time will not work, because this is no longer a "local" conflict.
  7. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 1 October 2020 08: 05 New
    +3
    Arctic fox is the logic of this mattress: Armenia is striking the Azerbaijani oil pipeline, and Russia is to blame for this.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 08: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Arctic fox is the logic of this mattress: Armenia is striking the Azerbaijani oil pipeline, and Russia is to blame for this.

      and he did not write that he was "guilty."
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 1 October 2020 09: 36 New
        +1
        if Azerbaijan and Turkey take too harsh measures, then Armenia can respond with a blow to gas pipeline Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan. And this could lead to a conflict between Moscow and Ankara.

        And what is the logic behind the person who writes this? What does Moscow have to do with it if Armenia hits the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline? And by the way, this is an OIL pipeline, not a GAS pipeline. The author is a complete, absolute layman.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 09: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          The author is a complete, absolute layman.

          well, or a manipulator. His slip of the tongue according to Freud has already caused a muddy stream of gas conspiracy - there, already about the "pipeline war", LNG, flows, Qatar, the gas market and other nonsense began to weave in the comments. And you just need gas instead of oil and it's in the bag. Our man has a special, reverent attitude to gas ...
  8. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 1 October 2020 08: 34 New
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    "Wet dreams" of Americans that a pipeline war will start ... Benefit from this war is only for the United States with its liquefied "democratic" gas for Europe ... So far, all sorts of "democratic" experts are probing the ground for provocation ... But this is already good for Russia (I'm talking about future US provocations) - thanks James, we will know in which direction it stinks of American "gases" ...
  9. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 1 October 2020 09: 11 New
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    Stavridis, formerly a NATO functionary ...

    To say this about him is to say nothing.
    This is a pretty cool guy.
    He is a retired US Naval Admiral, former Commander-in-Chief of US Southern Command (2006-2009), Commander of the US European Command and Supreme Commander of NATO's Allied Forces Europe (2009-2013).
    After forty years of service, he became Dean of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University, Massachusetts. He is also Chairman of the Board of Directors of the United States Naval Institute (USNI), Senior Research Fellow at the Applied Physics Laboratory at Johns Hopkins University and an associate member of the Geneva Center for Security Policy (Switzerland). Author of a dozen books on the art of war. Some of them have become bestsellers. Thus, "The Officer's Guide to the Watch" went through 12 editions, and the "Divisional Officer's Guide" - 11.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 1 October 2020 09: 49 New
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      Quote: A. Privalov
      To say this about him is to say nothing. This is a pretty cool guy.
      Yes, a big horse mackerel, all hung with regalia - and his chest under orders and titles does not bend ??? NATO-vskie generals are strong with their wise advice "from under the bench" !!! And how does it come to hot jumping under the bench and crowing "we didn't get fresh socks ...", "we can't fight without Coca-Cola", "Russians don't fight according to the rules" ...

      In Soviet times, this was all called one capacious name "military" - this is a collective nickname for herds of armchair strategists who like to poke their nose into other people's affairs !!!
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 1 October 2020 10: 22 New
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        Quote: Selevc
        Yes, a big horse mackerel, all hung with regalia - and his chest under orders and titles does not bend ??? [/ b] NATO generals are strong with their wise advice "from under the bench" !!! And how does it come to hot jumping under the bench and crowing "they didn't bring us fresh socks ...", "we can't fight without Coca-Cola", "Russians are not fighting according to the rules" ...

        In Soviet times, this was all called one capacious name "military" - this is a collective nickname for herds of armchair strategists who like to poke their nose into other people's affairs !!!

        In other words, can't you express anything intelligible on the topic?
        Okay.
        Quite right, in Soviet times it was customary to distribute collective nicknames falsely. What this led to is well known.
        At the same time, in Soviet times, for those who wrote texts like yours, there was not one, but several capacious and completely not politically correct names. hi
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 1 October 2020 10: 28 New
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          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quite right, in Soviet times it was customary to distribute collective nicknames falsely. What this led to is well known.

          This is exactly the case when the Soviet nickname is adequate and responsible for the real state of affairs !!! The Americans are strong with their talkative generals - you better tell us about the real military merits of this "horse mackerel" ??? !!! The American military (and these cowardly cocks can be called that) can only iron the deserts and jungles with bombers !!! And in any serious land skirmish, even the Vietnamese gave them a pill !!! That's all their regalia !!!
          What this led to is well known.
          I can tell what the US military bragging REALLY led to !!! The F-117 project is closed, the Tomahawk project is closed, Star Wars took place only in Reagan's inflamed brain, the F35 project ruined the US budget - retired B-52 aircraft fly in the sky, which are already half a century old !!! The White House is ruled by the Nursing Home - a cohort of politicians with catheters who have fallen into insanity !!! Here is the reality - the rest is show-off !!!
        2. Selevc
          Selevc 1 October 2020 11: 17 New
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          In other words, can't you express anything intelligible on the topic?
          I do not understand what you clearly said on the topic ??? Have you listed the regalia of an American armchair warrior ??? Is this really cool ???
          The US state is a country of fakes in terms of wars !!! The United States fought for the last time with a more or less equal enemy only in World War II !!! And even then they did not defeat Japan in the literal military sense, but forced to surrender with the help of nuclear weapons !!! The United States is now engaged in pitting other countries against each other, and in this they are really masters, but this can hardly be called military prowess !!!

          And with whom did the United States fight after the 45th year ??? Ishilov's cannibals? With the Afghan Taliban? With Vietnamese collective farmers? With the Yugoslav partisans? So the same Vietnamese collective farmers slapped professional American fighters on the ears !!! Don't you think that the victory over all this rag-tag is not a level for the United States as a military power ???
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 1 October 2020 11: 52 New
            +2
            I understand your opinion. Thanks. hi
          2. begemot20091
            begemot20091 2 October 2020 22: 30 New
            -1

            it looks like they decided to fight
  10. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 1 October 2020 09: 30 New
    +1
    but it would be cool
  11. pytar
    pytar 1 October 2020 09: 59 New
    +1
    The battles are fierce, countries are reporting losses, but the worst thing is that no prisoners! Corpses show, but not a single prisoner was shown! This means only one thing - neither side takes prisoners! The level of hatred between Azeris and Armenians is outrageous !!! If the Azerbaijani army enters us. points of Karabakh, there will be a total massacre.
  12. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 1 October 2020 10: 04 New
    -1
    Maybe it will break down after all? Winter is coming! bully
  13. Selevc
    Selevc 1 October 2020 10: 17 New
    0
    In the Karabakh conflict, there is one subtle, at first glance, but critically important point:
    A generation of Caucasian youth has already grown up for whom - here it is a real war and here it is a real enemy !!! They grew up on this phobias towards their neighbors and for them the Soviet past is more and more vague and looks like a beautiful fairy tale !!! And the generation of Soviet people, on the contrary, is leaving and leaving quickly !!!
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 14: 45 New
      0
      well, old people die, young people do not care about the "Soviet past" - a natural course of events. What's "critical"?
  14. Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 10: 36 New
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    Quote: Maz

    You can look at the lost face of the press secretary of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry Anar Eyvazov forever. Symphony of silence. Your face When you know that it is not good to lie, but the owner needs it ...
    4 days on end ...
    The work of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces is documented at the modern level, there is no point in lying and composing fables about blue crocodiles crashing into the mountains of the Su-25, you need to prepare materials for the press, briefings are held daily for military attachés, after all, military professionals and journalists are not one and the same the same. Some of the information is publicly available on the channels, pages of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, there is no point in lying, and there is no need to lie.

    Plus, you need to understand that all representatives of the press are worried about the issue of losses, and they certainly exist, especially the attacking side of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, and the game there is not one goal. By the end of the war, I think the number of casualties not killed AND wounded, but only killed and dead from wounds will be in the thousands ON BOTH SIDES, the further and the more Azerbaijan will build up its qualitative superiority destroying the enemy's heavy weapons, the more losses the Armenian side will have, and multiple , if not by orders of magnitude. It is necessary to endure this stage, where to go, then she and the war.

    Each side is now solving its own goals and objectives.
    Azerbaijan[/ u] seizes strategic heights, liberates the occupied territories, but first and foremost, it destroys the potential in equipment and heavy weapons of its enemy... After all, this war is not for one day or a couple of weeks, and even I think for months. Despite the supply of weapons by Russia through Iran, the possibilities of Iranian transit are limited, the pole of ayatollahs, with all their venality, will not be allowed to be delivered, otherwise a boom will begin in South Azerbaijan, several transports have already been burned there, so heavy equipment will definitely not be delivered on dry land, but by air tanks and air defense systems will not roll.
    Armenia[at]
    knowing full well that she is doomed to defeat in the war, she strives to do everything to stop it and leave behind at least a piece of the territory of Azerbaijan. Therefore, in turn, the blood from the nose and at any cost, including through hiding its losses, goes to any sacrifice trying to inflict the maximum possible losses on Azerbaijan in manpower, in order to try to sow panic, persistently strikes from its own territory on peaceful settlements provoking Azerbaijan to retaliate in order to demand from Russia to intervene, spreads fables about Turkey's direct participation on the side of Azerbaijan. By the way, and as a retreat, and after all, all the bash on the bash - Russia supplies Armenia, Turkey to Azerbaijan, the Russian MiG-29SM and the squadron in Armenia, and only two pairs (!!!) of F-16 Turkish Air Force in Azerbaijan, very successfully delayed , after the traditional teachings, they are also BTW held every year, like the Russian-Armenian exercises, but these two pairs turned out to be quite enough for the Armenian Air Force not to violate the airspace of Azerbaijan, but to limit itself to flights over Iravan and Armenia, and most importantly, as the Russian Foreign Ministry wishes, the "third party" does not interfere into conflict.

    Perhaps the Russians don't know. Armenia is not even afraid of defeat on the battlefield, they will not survive it, not for the first time. It is not a secret for anyone that a few years ago Azerbaijan attracted well-known European companies to summarize and calculate the amount of damage caused by the invaders, and, accordingly, the amount of reparations. Plus, now all war crimes are being recorded by the prosecutor's office, and the aim is that the mosquito does not undermine its nose and Armenia has no chance to get out. Before the counter-offensive, in response to the increasingly frequent provocations, both the Prosecutor General and the Military Prosecutor visited the units, and for almost a year, explanatory work on the conventions and laws of war was conducted. So the worst and biggest blow will be after the war itself - Azerbaijan will demand the creation of tribunals on Karabakh, the crimes committed there have no statute of limitations, there Sargsyan and his accomplices for Khojaly will not only sit in the dock, and the current authorities for shelling the civilian population will join - after all, everything is meticulously installed and recorded now, from the command and right up to the battalion commander and the battery, which are firing at the civilian population, but Armenia in general will pay reparations. And note that everything is in strict accordance with international law, everything is fair.

    And the press secretary, now in his position there is more press than the second, nothing, he will withstand, they say a strong fellow.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 1 October 2020 14: 58 New
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    If Armenia hits the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan gas pipeline, then completely unexpected countries may join the conflict.
  16. Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 15: 39 New
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    Quote: APASUS
    If Armenia hits the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan gas pipeline, then completely unexpected countries may join the conflict.
    The owners of Pashinyan will not give, the advancement of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces will still not stop and in the current conditions will not cause problems, but the losses to the owners of Pashinyan will be significant, for this they will simply hang him by the tender places, and not by the neck.
  17. Victorm
    Victorm 1 October 2020 16: 04 New
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    After clearing the territory, the film crew of the state television and radio company AzTV was admitted to the lands liberated from the occupiers.

    Here one of the participants took care of the tired look and complexion of the press secretary of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry. The footage depicts the debunking of the lies of the press service of the Armenian Defense Ministry and all kinds of "top officials" from Pashinyan to the president of a certain NKR - according to their words, the Armenian occupation troops have already "thrown back", "returned", "are crushing the enemy." Here are the facts, and not blah blah about some mercenaries from Syria, Turkish special forces, F-16, etc. Ordinary Azerbaijani guys, men, not Arabs with knee-length beards.
    And here's what happens to the press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry, his revelations:
    - I didn't have time to write two, there were 3 planes.
    Hovhannisyan writes about the Azerbaijani Air Force planes shot down by IM. It is correct that you feel sorry for them, write 10 Mr. Hovhannisyan, the paper will endure everything, and the Armenians sincerely believe. Already on the mend, even though the F-16 of the Turkish Air Force stopped shooting down in delirium.
    This state sponsor did not come up with anything better than, albeit in a relatively polite manner, to offer Armenians not to repost videos of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. If you count all the equipment destroyed not in statics, but in motion, that is, with a crew inside, count the manpower destroyed by direct strikes only by UAVs - there are already three times greater losses than the Armenian Ministry of Defense officially announced ...
    By the way, neighbors, I appeal to the Armenians, you must ... urgently send a couple of TPS "Solntsepek" through Georgia or Iran, well, count yourself how many TPSs have already been destroyed by Hovhannisyan, we did not have so many of them.

    In general, I look at the footage of the collection of the bodies of your victims - round off the neighbors, remove your army, do not listen to your nationalists and other Svidomo. I can imagine and realize at what cost we got your losses during the onset of mountainous conditions, it's time to round off, there is nothing to wait for the end, everything is already clear, there is nothing to ruin the youth, because we will not stop if you do not withdraw the occupation troops.
    After all, we continue to communicate normally in Russia and abroad, everything will be settled, there will not be some kind of massacre that scares you all and with the fear of which they have been held hostage for so many years. The massacre will not even happen, not because we are good, white and fluffy, then there are those among us who are ready to go to Iravan and build the pyramids of Cheops from Armenian heads, this is a fact, you have the same - but no one will allow us or you to be massacred.

    There was a joint appeal from Macron, Putin and Trump, saying that the parties should cease fire WITHOUT PRELIMINARY conditions and sit down for negotiations in the format of the OSCE Minsk Group. Such a proposal is EVIL, there will be no sense from this, as a result, the hearth will again remain, because of which again young people will die for decades, it is better once and to the end, even if with fivefold losses, it is all the same if you do not pull out this splinter, then it will die there are even more Azerbaijanis and Armenians.
    The fact that Pashinyan and other heroes began to blow bubbles from the first days is nothing surprising, I really hope that Ilgam Aliyev will not follow the lead of such statements and threats when equipment is demonstratively pulled to our borders.
  18. the Saint
    the Saint 1 October 2020 20: 47 New
    -1
    Let them fight. Personally, I - from the Komsomol - for America. Now I am resting in Turkey, a native of Leningrad, if cho. The son of a WWII participant.
    As a national leader. :-)
  19. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 2 October 2020 06: 53 New
    0
    The Azerbaijani-Turkish alliance is apparently determined to gnaw through the Armenian defense on a long-term basis, opposing blocs of the parties, Azerbaijan and Turkey, and, on the other hand, Armenia, Iran and the Russian Federation were formed in the conflict, it is interesting how much Turkey's resources will be enough to conduct hostilities on three Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan, the country is not very rich
  20. Charik
    Charik 2 October 2020 08: 11 New
    -1
    common american dabil warrior
  21. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 3 October 2020 19: 33 New
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    It was this thought that immediately came to my mind: the Armenians are going to run with an Iskander along the gas pipeline. Uncle Vova is a good fellow. It was not for nothing that he threw this Underwaflu to these devils.