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Moscow "torpedoed" Ankara's unspoken ultimatum. Unexpected Kremlin countermeasures in response to the escalation of the Karabakh conflict

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There is absolutely no doubt that the ins and outs of the next escalating spiral of the Karabakh conflict that broke out four days earlier lies not so much in the plane of age-old ethnopolitical and territorial disagreements between Yerevan and Baku, as is one of the most daring attempts of Ankara to expand operational and strategic control over the Central Mediterranean in in general and the most saturated with oil fields and highways of the Libyan province of El Wahat, which is currently under the control of the Libyan National Army of Khalifa Haftar.


In particular, skillfully operating with a motley gamut of Armenian-Azerbaijani contradictions as an instrument of military-political pressure on the Kremlin, Mr. Erdogan and his inner circle, apparently, have again withdrawn from the palaces of reason the “imperial concept” of participation in operational-strategic “dives”. trying to demonstrate to the Russian side the range of long-term escalation consequences in the South Caucasus that will follow in case of non-fulfillment of an unspoken ultimatum, one of the items in the list of whose requirements is the refusal to provide "packages" of military-technical assistance to units of the Libyan National Army.

In fact, an ultimatum was sounded from Turkey: either Armenia leaves the territories of Azerbaijan, or we come to the South Caucasus - with a big claim for political and military superiority.

It is worth noting that the scenario implemented by the Turkish side is extremely beneficial not only to the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry, which has worked out a general offensive attack on the fortified areas of the Defense Army of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, taking into account the provision of information on tactical ground and low-altitude air situations over Artsakh from the Bayraktar TB2 strike-reconnaissance UAV and aircraft AWACS Boeing 737 AEW & C "Peace Eagle", but also the North Atlantic Alliance. Indeed, if Moscow fulfilled the aforementioned ultimatum, the mechanized units of Khalifa Haftar's troops with a high degree of probability would have been driven out of the strategically important city of Sirte, thrown back 350-400 km in the eastern operational direction (up to Ajabia and Benghazi), and, possibly, completely eliminated more numerous and technically equipped paramilitary formations of the Government of National Unity, aviation and artillery support of the Turkish Armed Forces.

Obviously, this alignment is able to minimize, and, possibly, completely eliminate the likelihood of using the LNA Air Force base of Benin (near Benghazi) as a potential jump airfield for Il-38N anti-submarine aircraft of the Russian Navy, capable of permanently monitoring the underwater space of the central part of the Mediterranean Sea on the subject of the appearance of low-noise MAPLs of the Virginia and Estute classes, moving forward to launch the strategic cruise missiles UGM-109E "Tomahawk Block IV" at strategically important facilities of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the provinces of Latakia and Tartus.

The first "bells" in the sky over the Caspian Sea


In light of what is happening, the most indicative and eloquently countering all the accusatory pathos of Baku towards Yerevan is the fact that about two weeks before the escalation explosion in the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations, an important (as it turned out today) incident took place with the prevention of a long-range radar detection and control aircraft A -50U (registration number RF-93952) and the Il-76MD military transport aircraft (r / n RF-76702) of the Russian Aerospace Forces to the eastern sector of Azerbaijan's airspace over the Caspian Sea during the latter's return from the Khmeimim airbase to their permanent deployment points in the Russian Federation.

It is well known that the deeply modernized dorsal radar system "Shmel-M" installed on RLDN A-50U aircraft based on a waveguide-slot antenna array has an increased energy potential of the transmitting path and a higher level of noise immunity and sensitivity of the receiving path, which in combination with the use of a centimeter working X-band of waves provides operators of "Shmel-M" with the ability to detect and classify group ground targets such as "column MBT" at a distance of about 250-300 km and of the type "self-propelled launcher MLRS / OTRK" at a distance of 320-350 km in the synthetic aperture mode (SAR), which provides for obtaining a photographic quality radar image. Around the same period of time, the Azerbaijani Army Command began the main stage of forming an offensive backbone in the Karabakh direction, which would have been happily recorded and documented by 11 operators of the Shmel-M radar complex of the A-50U AWACS. Therefore, thanks to the above-described incident alone, the forthcoming aggression of the Azerbaijani side was quite predictable ...

Meanwhile, starting from the continuous flow of information coming from the informed sources in the Armenian Defense Ministry about the tactical situation in the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations, you come to the final conclusion that the fulfillment of Ankara's unspoken ultimatum is not at all included in the spectrum of Moscow's geostrategic interests.

So, during the very first days from the moment of the first massive strikes on the settlements and fortified areas of the NKR Defense Army, as well as the beginning of the use of strike-reconnaissance and tactical aviation by the air forces of Azerbaijan and Turkey, the command of the ground forces of Armenia was carte blanche was given to carry out a full-fledged counter-battery "response" to the positions of long-range cannon and rocket artillery of the Azerbaijan Army, while the command of the Armenian Air Force received the green light to deploy a certain number of S-300PT / PS anti-aircraft missile divisions near the Khankendi airport (Recall that the Air Defense Forces of the Armenian Air Force are armed with 5 S-300PT / PS air defense missile launchers in modifications with towed PU 5P85-1 and self-propelled PU 5P85S / D, respectively). The key goal of the latter was to cover the motorized rifle units and artillery divisions of the NKR Defense Army, as well as the Armenian Army in the areas of Berdzor and Matakhis-Talish from massive missile, missile-artillery and missile-air strikes from the ground forces and air forces of Azerbaijan and Turkey.

Meanwhile, it should be noted that the transfer of even two 6-channel medium-range S-300PT / PS medium-range anti-aircraft missile systems from places of permanent deployment near Yerevan to the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is fraught with a 40% decrease in the fire performance (target channel) of the anti-aircraft / anti-missile system " umbrella ", formed by these modifications of" three hundred "in the western (Turkish) air direction. In such a situation, strategically important administrative and military facilities of Armenia in the Kotayk, Ararat, Aragatsotn and Armavir regions could turn into even more vulnerable targets for the missile units of the Turkish army, which have the J-600T "Yildirim" OTRK, as well as the tactical aviation of the Turkish Air Force.

The conclusion is as follows. Apparently, immediately before the redeployment of the S-300PS / PS to the NKR, the Armenian defense department received appropriate guarantees to attract the 988th anti-aircraft missile regiment of the Russian air defense forces (it has 4 brigades of military S-300V air defense systems and is attached to the 102nd Russian base in Gyumri) to cover the aforementioned regions of Armenia from possible missile strikes from the Turkish side in the event of an all-encompassing involvement of Ankara in the conflict.

Moreover, in the very first hours after the beginning of the escalation of the Karabakh conflict, the online portal for monitoring regional and global air traffic Flightradar24 recorded the implementation of several flights of heavy military transport aircraft Il-76MD and An-124-100 Ruslan to the Eribuni airfield. the main purpose of which, apparently, was the delivery of additional anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM ammunition) to the most missile-hazardous areas, as well as ground multifunctional radars and electronic reconnaissance equipment.

Russian guarantees, in fact, "torpedoed" the Turkish ultimatum. Moreover, the presidents of Russia, the United States and France made a single statement on the need for a peaceful settlement in Nagorno-Karabakh and, by and large, against Turkish interference and warming up militaristic sentiments.
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  1. Asad
    Asad 1 October 2020 05: 31
    11
    In Turkey, the lira has collapsed more than the ruble, but no, all the same, the Ottoman Empire is being built! Does the navel come loose?
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 1 October 2020 06: 39
      39
      Untie - This is definitely a plus for us!
      I really liked the title from the article! Sometimes I wonder where they get such masters giving birth to slogans and names? More I really didn't understand anything request
      1. Yngvar
        Yngvar 1 October 2020 06: 42
        27
        Under the article the name of the author is Evgeny Damantsev!
        Yes, indeed, the title is valid!
        And fso ...
        1. Shuttle
          Shuttle 1 October 2020 06: 58
          +9
          Quote: Yngvar
          Under the article the name of the author is Evgeny Damantsev!
          Yes, indeed, the title is valid!
          And fso ...

          I don't know who Damantsev is, but the article is about how Moscow did not stand aside either in Libya or in Armenia, as it turns out.
          1. Avior
            Avior 1 October 2020 07: 10
            26
            As soon as you see an article on VO, so abundantly sprinkled with terminology that it is difficult to read, with a high probability you will see the name Damantsev below. smile
            1. Evil543
              Evil543 1 October 2020 07: 47
              +5
              To comprehend once is not enough, and then it gets boring
        2. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 1 October 2020 08: 14
          +7
          Yes, the more words, the higher the fee.
          Especially hung
          "would be graciously recorded and documented."
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 October 2020 08: 58
            +5
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            Yes, the more words, the higher the fee.
            Especially hung
            "would be graciously recorded and documented."

            It is good to take into account for further entry into the treasury of history ... heh, can you write an article?
            1. Astra wild
              Astra wild 2 October 2020 20: 08
              +3
              Try it. I can offer options for the title: "Reflections on the work of Damantsev," "A view from the Israeli side." If you use my options for the title, I don't mind a quarter of the fee
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 2 October 2020 20: 27
                0
                No problem ))
          2. Xenofont
            Xenofont 1 October 2020 09: 52
            0
            To create an epistolary legacy, all words and expressions are good. It is important to confuse and puzzle the reader, then the attention to the text increases.
        3. ancient
          ancient 1 October 2020 14: 58
          16
          Quote: Yngvar
          And FSE ..

          Agree laughing ... but there are questions:
          1. Quote - "..... about attracting 988th anti-aircraft missile regiment of troops Russian air defense (has 4 crews (!!!!!) belay military air defense systems S-300V and attached to the 102nd Russian base in Gyumri) "
          Since when did the structural composition of the regiment include ... the 4th brigade belay wassat request
          1. Yngvar
            Yngvar 1 October 2020 15: 04
            10
            It's like the signalmen: "I go into the R-105 (portable radio station), and in the corner the R-140 is lying (based on the ZIL-131)!"
            1. not main
              not main 2 October 2020 00: 37
              0
              Quote: Yngvar
              It's like the signalmen: "I go into the R-105 (portable radio station), and in the corner the R-140 is lying (based on the ZIL-131)!"

              Our commander of the communications company liked to repeat: "the main thing is culture", and at the same time the wiring harnesses just hung! Yes there "devil will break his leg", but "culture"!
            2. AML
              AML 2 October 2020 09: 51
              +1
              Oooh, you are not familiar with lightweight bolts yet. Which, without some kind of mother and a trenching tool, cannot be screwed out.
      2. My doctor
        My doctor 1 October 2020 19: 17
        +6
        Quote: Hunter 2
        More I really didn't understand anything

        As I understand it, the author on a dispute with a friend that you can print any nonsense and it will be taken seriously here, created this text.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 1 October 2020 19: 55
          +5
          Quote: MyVrach
          Quote: Hunter 2
          More I really didn't understand anything

          as I understand it, the author is arguing with a friend that you can print any nonsense and it will be taken seriously here, created this text.

          I went to your profile - zero publications. Dare, write your conclusions with a claim to analytics and present it to the audience present, so that instead of "any nonsense" it would have the opportunity to get acquainted with the "exclusive nonsense". The musician plays as best he can, and the artist writes as he sees. And yet, yes, the taste and color - no comrades. At least, I learned from this article that Azerbaijan created a problem for our air force over the Caspian when returning from Khmeimim, and I find the author's arguments as to why this was done quite convincing.
          1. My doctor
            My doctor 1 October 2020 20: 14
            +2
            In light of what is happening, the most indicative and eloquently countering all the accusatory pathos of Baku towards Yerevan is the fact that about two weeks before the escalation explosion in the Nagorno-Karabakh theater of operations, an important (as it turned out today) incident took place with the prevention of a long-range radar detection and control aircraft A -50U (registration number RF-93952) and the Il-76MD military transport aircraft (r / n RF-76702) of the Russian Aerospace Forces to the eastern sector of Azerbaijan's airspace over the Caspian Sea during the latter's return from the Khmeimim airbase to their permanent deployment points in the Russian Federation.

            My ceiling is six words per sentence. No, I cannot so eloquently and pathetically parry common sense. I envy. belay
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            The musician plays as best he can, and the artist writes as he sees. And yet, yes, the taste and color - no comrades.

            And where did you see that I find fault with the musician's playing? And yet, do you guarantee that the author wrote this article in all seriousness?
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 2 October 2020 09: 40
            +2
            ...... the author's arguments about ...... I find convincing ......
            I subscribe to your opinion, dear Nyrobsky! And I want to add. It seems to me that all the ironic expressions of the author are for the fact that when mentioning Turkey, one should always remember her previous actions, both in the coming years and in the past.
            And, by the way, I liked the expression of the author
            ..... removed from the palaces of reason ......
            Seriously, I liked it
    2. Roman13579
      Roman13579 1 October 2020 08: 48
      -13 qualifying.
      In Turkey, the lira has collapsed more than the ruble, but no, all the same, the Ottoman Empire is being built! Does the navel come loose?


      Two kings stand each other ..))
      Both have forgotten and hammered about / on their own people .. and have fun playing war ..

      Someone after reading my words will decide that this is a joke .. but this is not a joke ..
    3. iouris
      iouris 1 October 2020 13: 14
      +2
      Quote: ASAD
      In Turkey, the lira collapsed more than the ruble, but not

      The money will be worthless. New empires will remain. Erdogan is building a new empire. This is his chance. Anyone who keeps and preserves money will lose both his stomach and life.
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 3 October 2020 12: 06
        0
        The money will be worthless. New empires will remain. Erdogan is building a new empire. This is his chance. Anyone who keeps and preserves money will lose both his stomach and life.
        the one who builds an empire without caring about the welfare of the people will quickly lose this empire, and possibly his own "life and life", the example of the USSR is very indicative
    4. NEOZ
      NEOZ 1 October 2020 13: 25
      0
      Quote: ASAD
      the lira collapsed more than the ruble, but no, anyway, the Ottoman Empire is being built

      empire building does not depend on the course ...
    5. Scriabin
      Scriabin 1 October 2020 16: 18
      -12 qualifying.
      And you have not untied to the whole of northern Asia to be hyped up? So they won't get loose ... Yes, and you will soon be asked from here ...
    6. The comment was deleted.
    7. Maz
      Maz 5 October 2020 17: 57
      0
      Well, yes, it's Damantsev - all in a heap.
  2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 October 2020 05: 53
    40
    "to exclude the likelihood of using the LNA Air Force base of Benin (near Benghazi) as a potential jump airfield for the Il-38N anti-submarine aircraft of the Russian Navy, capable of permanently monitoring the underwater space of the central part of the Mediterranean for the appearance of low-noise MAPLs of Virginia and Estute classes, advancing to the launching line of strategic cruise missiles UGM-109E "Tomahawk Block IV" at strategically important objects of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the provinces of Latakia and Tartus. "
    I don't even want to ask what the author smoked this time
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 1 October 2020 06: 11
      34
      And I still did not understand from the article how we all the same "torpedoed" Ankara?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 1 October 2020 06: 21
        11
        What is not clear here ... see how many disadvantages you have been instructed ... The truth is not explained ... laughing
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 1 October 2020 06: 50
          10
          Yeah ... So then it was me "torpedoed", not the capital of Turkey! laughing
      2. svp67
        svp67 1 October 2020 08: 34
        +2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And I still did not understand from the article how we all the same "torpedoed" Ankara?

        Yes, they just began to deploy the troops of the Southern Military District on the border ... This is the "torpedo" ready to send to the bottom of everyone who gets in its way. And everyone understands it
        1. Astra wild
          Astra wild 2 October 2020 20: 24
          0
          Excuse me, are you talking about the Caucasus 2020 exercises? But they were planned earlier
          1. svp67
            svp67 3 October 2020 04: 22
            0
            Quote: Astra wild
            Excuse me, are you talking about the Caucasus 2020 exercises? But they were planned earlier

            And the teachings are so good that they allow you to concentrate troops at the right time, in the right place LEGALLY, and how to use them further, this is known only to the Lord God and the Supreme
      3. Dimy4
        Dimy4 1 October 2020 16: 39
        -2
        And I still did not understand from the article how we all the same "torpedoed" Ankara?

        So this is not us, but Moscow! She lives a separate life, reports everything about economic and military successes.
    2. atalef
      atalef 1 October 2020 06: 14
      20
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      I don't even want to ask what the author smoked this time

      Damantsev - he is like that - a lot of bukaff, cool words, but there is simply zero sense.
      What he wrote. what did you want to say ,
      catchy title. but the essence is ---
      the main purpose of which, apparently, was the delivery of additional anti-aircraft missile systems to the most missile-hazardous areas

      By whose appearance?
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 1 October 2020 06: 18
      14
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      I don't even want to ask what the author smoked this time

      Damantsev has a mysterious, but hefty "boorish" mixture ...
      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild 2 October 2020 20: 21
        0
        Perhaps Spice 2?
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 1 October 2020 10: 47
      +4
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      I don't even want to ask what the author smoked this time

      But what a flight of fantasy! fellow
      I don’t have such a big foolishness, so I didn’t taste all these copyright throwing of a horse in a vacuum.
    5. Astra wild
      Astra wild 2 October 2020 20: 19
      0
      Good evening Andrey from Chelyabinsk, probably the author is experimenting with smoking mixtures
  3. Free wind
    Free wind 1 October 2020 05: 55
    -3
    Intelligence profiled everything they could. We do not need to intervene there at all.
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 5 October 2020 06: 47
      0
      What have you profited? Where does this information come from? Armenia is an ally, but no one attacked it, NKR is a foreign project of Armenia, Azerbaijan is not our enemy, Erdogan in Turkey is the most preferable for us, the other candidates are simply against us. Russia should act there carefully and wisely choosing costs based on the compliance of the solution of this task with its interests. For Armenia with Pashinyan's European aspirations to reclaim the territory of a neighboring state? Will they win something for us, or will they consider us brothers and pat us on the shoulder with gratitude?
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 1 October 2020 06: 07
    +6
    "Everything was confused in the Oblonskys' house" (c) ...
  5. Mytholog
    Mytholog 1 October 2020 06: 08
    15
    Helped Erdogan to stay in power. We reap "gratitude" ... On the other hand, he could be replaced by an even sicker animal, judging by their parliament.
    1. 9PA
      9PA 1 October 2020 07: 28
      +2
      How can we put Armenia in its place?
      1. Mytholog
        Mytholog 1 October 2020 08: 15
        +3
        Don't worry about Armenia. Pashinyan somehow quickly forgot that he wanted to be independent. Already calling Putin ...
        PS By the way, yes. In this light, Erdogan's actions look somewhat different)
    2. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 2 October 2020 11: 36
      +1
      Imperial revenge has been growing in Turkey for a long time. Of course in the heads of the ruling class.
      Meanwhile, attempts to climb into Syria have not yet been crowned with success. the posts of the Turkish Armed Forces in northern Syria behind the lines of the Syrian troops are, in fact, useless deployment points.
      Libya is still butting, but something suggests that Haftar (not alone ...), if he does not win, will eventually become the new Assisi.
      In general, the story of Karabakh is a dead end. Azerbaijan will not attack the base of the RF Armed Forces, and neither will the Turks. 08.08.08 showed that it is not necessary. and in the sky of Karabakh, suddenly, the OTRK, UAV and aircraft of Azerbaijan may start to fall far behind the front line, as well as "F-16 of an unknown country helping Aliyev"
    3. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 5 October 2020 07: 28
      -1
      We didn’t so much help him as we broke the game for the Americans and everyone knows it))))
  6. Barnabas
    Barnabas 1 October 2020 06: 14
    +1
    Some kind of sultan they have is not real. Multi-vector.
    It seems that they also agreed on Syria, agreed on the complexes, saved from the coup, but no, everything needs to be moved somewhere Russia.
    So think, maybe it's time to stop believing in fairy tales about the glorious friendship between countries.
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 October 2020 06: 16
      +4
      Quote: Barnabas
      It seems that they also agreed on Syria, agreed on the complexes, saved from the coup

      Quote: Barnabas
      but no, everything must be somewhere to move Russia.

    2. 9PA
      9PA 1 October 2020 07: 31
      +4
      Do you think the Turkish adventure was not agreed with Moscow? What losses will we incur if the Armenians are given a hat and reminded of their place, is the NKR of strategic importance for the Russian Federation?
      1. Alexander I
        Alexander I 1 October 2020 10: 16
        +1
        There is some sense in this, but if only the Turks did not set up a military base in Azerbaijan.
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 1 October 2020 12: 32
          +5
          Turkish troops and aviation are already in Azerbaijan, what other base do you want?
      2. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 1 October 2020 12: 31
        0
        "What losses we will incur" - a crowd of refugees will pour into Russia from Armenia (on quite legal grounds - we have an agreement with Armenia), it will strike a blow to the authority of Russian weapons, the authority of Russia as an ally will fall (yes, yes, we are officially allies with Armenia and our military base in this country), Turkey's influence among the extremist Turkic nationalist and Islamic organizations in Russia will increase, up to interference in internal affairs in Russia, Turkey's pressure on Russia in Syria and Libya will increase, up to the blocking of the Bosphorus for Russian warships, The sulky sultan can also swing at nuclear weapons (in principle, given the special relations with Pakistan, he may already have them, only secretly), Greece, Cyprus, Syria could be next to Armenia. Is that all we need?
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 1 October 2020 16: 27
          +2
          Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
          "What losses we will incur" - a crowd of refugees will pour into Russia from Armenia (on quite legal grounds - we have an agreement with Armenia), it will strike a blow to the authority of Russian weapons, the authority of Russia as an ally will fall (yes, yes, we are officially allies with Armenia and our military base in this country), Turkey's influence among the extremist Turkic nationalist and Islamic organizations in Russia will increase, up to interference in internal affairs in Russia, Turkey's pressure on Russia in Syria and Libya will increase, up to the blocking of the Bosphorus for Russian warships, The sulky sultan can also swing at nuclear weapons (in principle, given the special relations with Pakistan, he may already have them, only secretly), Greece, Cyprus, Syria could be next to Armenia. Is that all we need?

          They don't attack Armenia, the battles go to NKR, which is not part of Armenia. That's when Armenia asks for help from the CSTO and it will be threatened with the loss of statehood, genocide, etc. Then we will intervene.
          Most likely, they will simply cease fire and sit down at the negotiating table.
          1. svoit
            svoit 2 October 2020 10: 18
            +1
            It is possible to be admitted to Armenia in one day, and if not genocide, then ethnic cleansing may well threaten Azerbaijan, or rather the Armenians in it, as it did 30 years ago.
            1. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 2 October 2020 15: 13
              0
              Quote: svoit
              It is possible to be admitted to Armenia in one day, and if not genocide, then ethnic cleansing may well threaten Azerbaijan, or rather the Armenians in it, as it did 30 years ago.

              NKR as part of Azerbaijan. And so the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh since 1918 can be counted
        2. Fierce73
          Fierce73 1 October 2020 21: 08
          +7

          The main thing is not to get into this conflict. Then you will be guilty for everyone. Passed.
    3. shtatsov
      shtatsov 1 October 2020 17: 14
      0
      I will also support! Whom do not touch, in relations with us, all as one multi-vector! It looks like something is wrong with us! Maybe you need to change something at the conservatory? As Zhvanetsky used to say.
    4. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 5 October 2020 06: 53
      0
      Multi-vector is just the privilege of large self-sufficient states, Turkey can be considered this, multi-vector is a mistake for small or weak states, they are deprived of all supports, receiving an imitation of support in the form of external applause of nods and other approvals with the presence at various world power parties without having any significance there and being only extras which are not critical and donate, or exchange for something
  7. Polymer
    Polymer 1 October 2020 06: 22
    18
    Each statement in the article is based on "well known", "obvious", "apparently" and other high-likes. However, the conclusions are offered as reinforced concrete. Not too presumptuous, isn't it?
    And with pyritagivanie by the ears of the events in Libya - here, as noted above, clearly not without potent substances. It would be more logical to connect with Idlib, where just the day before, the Russian Aerospace Forces and the SAA Air Force intensified their hostilities. Which, of course, greatly disliked Erdogan.
  8. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 1 October 2020 06: 25
    +3
    Moscow is only calling for a ceasefire and is waiting for the United States and its Euroassals to intervene ... And the United States can intervene, taking into account the election campaign, if Trump needs the votes of the Armenian diaspora, then the Turk will be pressured. It is more profitable for Russia just to call for peace and not to play according to the Turkish scenario ... so as not to become "extreme" or "scapegoats" guilty of the war of two peoples for the complete destruction of each other.
  9. Old tanker
    Old tanker 1 October 2020 06: 31
    +6
    In the author's sick fantasy inflamed!
  10. antivirus
    antivirus 1 October 2020 06: 44
    +4
    at a time when spaceships plow through the vastness of the universe ... the lunar tractor has not yet reached the main road of the progress of all mankind, but is swarming in some kind of crater in search of traces of American Austronauts
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 1 October 2020 07: 07
    +3
    Where did all this information come from, who and what detected, what and where was relocated, and it’s quite interesting, are these political conclusions from all the previous?
  12. Avior
    Avior 1 October 2020 07: 21
    +8
    Leaving aside the rubble of terminology in place and out of place, which makes Damantsev's article uncomfortable to read, we can draw a simple conclusion - neither Azerbaijan nor Turkey are interested in the escalation of the conflict on their initiative outside the current war zone, covering part of the territory of Azerbaijan.
    This excludes the formal grounds for the intervention of the CSTO - read Russia - in the course of events - military or political.
    Formally, what is happening now are internal events in the territory of Azerbaijan.
    Armenia also cannot expand the sphere of hostilities on its own initiative, otherwise it will be an aggression by Armenia itself, and the situation with retaliatory strikes will not fall under the guarantees of the CSTO.
    It is extremely important for Armenia that Azerbaijan, or even better Turkey, starts military operations against Armenia, in order to drag Russia into the situation.
    And how it ends, we'll see.
    1. Eug
      Eug 1 October 2020 07: 54
      +2
      It will end with a greater dependence of Armenia on Russia. And perhaps by the resignation of Pashinyan and the coming to power of pro-Russian politicians.
    2. svoit
      svoit 2 October 2020 10: 27
      +1
      And yet, not quite so, more precisely, not at all, Azerbaijan has started everything to change the status quo, so that it does not need to be changed, and the CSTO troops can be deployed not to protect Armenia, but the Armenians of Azerbaijan with peacekeeping goals, and even the consent of Azerbaijan may not be required. Kosovo, do we remember?
      1. Avior
        Avior 2 October 2020 11: 54
        0
        Troops entered Kosovo on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution No. 1244 of June 10, 1999, but there was no such resolution in Karabakh.
  13. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 1 October 2020 07: 35
    10
    Damn, I can't read Damantsev's articles ...
  14. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 1 October 2020 07: 39
    +6
    on the involvement of the 988th anti-aircraft missile regiment of the air defense forces of the Russian Federation (has 4 teams military air defense systems S-300V and attached to the 102nd Russian base in Gyumri)

    .... maybe divisions? fellow
    1. Gato
      Gato 1 October 2020 08: 22
      +7
      Don't cut the wings of the author's fantasy.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 1 October 2020 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Lara Croft
      on the involvement of the 988th anti-aircraft missile regiment of the air defense forces of the Russian Federation (it has 4 brigades of military air defense systems S-300V and attached to the 102nd Russian base in the city of Gyumri)

      .... maybe divisions?

      This pearl of the author, to put it mildly, does not fit common sense, because the level of military cooperation is determined at the level of the heads of state and government of the two countries, and not the Armenian Defense Ministry and the command of the regiment. In general, this is still that "expert" of military cooperation, which is why one must be careful about its "analysis". I can't imagine how the command of the RF Armed Forces will go to the fact that on the spot some respected regiment commander decides to shoot down NATO member aircraft for him or not on the instructions of the Armenian Ministry of Defense.
  15. Old partisan
    Old partisan 1 October 2020 07: 40
    +4
    Russia’s state policy is completely short-sighted. Turkey cannot be a partner and, most importantly, an ally of our country. This was shown by the period of the 17-20 centuries. The only way to contain imperial Aspirations is to support the armed opposition. As the USSR did, supporting the Kurdish movement then there will be some sense. But as partners we supply almost free gas and S-400. Well done!
    1. TT62o
      TT62o 1 October 2020 10: 55
      +3
      We are also building nuclear power plants.
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek 2 October 2020 18: 34
      0
      .
      Turkey cannot be a partner and, most importantly, an ally of our country. This was shown by the period of the 17-20 centuries


      You don't have to fight her
      Recent wars (to free the brothers) were unnecessary
      It was necessary to know the measure
    3. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 5 October 2020 07: 03
      -1
      It is shortsighted to be a guarantor of other people's interests without having its own in this, Turkey is a neighbor, an important although not close in spirit, making money together is better than fighting, and partnership in business does not need brotherly love or closeness of views, Turkey pays for what it buys
  16. Eug
    Eug 1 October 2020 07: 51
    +7
    And what, the A-50 is flying with a working radar? So in this case, no country will even let it fly into its airspace ...
  17. AX
    AX 1 October 2020 08: 10
    +9
    The conversation turned about this conflict on a bench at the entrance. Almost 100% said: - "We don't care. Let them beat each other. And we'll see" ... Adults, aged. And I'm with them. Igoryok, 48 years old.
    1. Andy
      Andy 1 October 2020 10: 35
      +5
      let each other mutuz. dislike (deserved) for both.
  18. imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 October 2020 08: 53
    -5
    Quote: ASAD
    In Turkey, the lira has collapsed more than the ruble, but no, all the same, the Ottoman Empire is being built! Does the navel come loose?

    It's not true, the ruble is the leader in the collapse
  19. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 1 October 2020 09: 02
    +4
    Author: a number of questions:
    1. "Ankara's attempts to expand operational and strategic control over the Central Mediterranean as a whole and the most saturated with oil fields and highways in the Libyan province of El Wahat" - El Vahat is an American zone of influence, where does the Russian Federation, Armenia and the Turks?
    2. "the incident with the prevention of the A-50U early warning and control aircraft (registration number RF-93952) and the Il-76MD military transport aircraft (r / n RF-76702) of the Russian Aerospace Forces into the eastern sector of Azerbaijan's airspace over the Caspian Sea" - how much is the air zone? 26 km like .. do you think this distance was a lot of what decided for the A-50u?
    1. Avior
      Avior 1 October 2020 09: 53
      +2
      it's harder there
      The Caspian Sea is an inland sea and the entire area is divided into sectors between the coastal states. there are no international waters.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 October 2020 10: 59
        +3
        Let's start with the fact that the "Caspian Sea" is a lake. The maritime law does not apply to lakes.
        1. iouris
          iouris 1 October 2020 15: 55
          -3
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          The maritime law does not apply to lakes.

          No rights apply to Russians. And they themselves are used to living "according to concepts." But the fact that the Volga flows into the Caspian Sea is a fact. How would not have to draw a "red line" in the center of the fairway of the great Russian and Tatar rivers.
  20. north 2
    north 2 1 October 2020 09: 45
    0
    if the information department of the Russian Ministry of Defense is silent, this does not mean that the General Staff of Russia is confused and does not know what
    do next. On the other hand, Russian intelligence knows that it was not the Turks who shot down the Armenian plane, but this Pashinyan is blaming Turkey. And this is a question for this Nicola is automatically forwarded
    not the Russian military, but from the political leadership of Russia, - what are you bastard doing and what are your
    Your true goals, Kolya, are that the conflict in NK has escalated right now and how you are fighting there.
    Of all the republics of the former USSR, primarily the Armenian people living in Armenia, only
    within Russia as a subject of the Russian state can find protection. This should be explained
    in the end this Pashinyan. And if he does not understand this, it means that he has other goals than thoughts about
    protection and security of the Armenian people both today and for centuries to come. The Russian leadership should explain the same to Lukashenka. It's time to rebuild the Russian Empire.
    But you can't restore it with the Pashinyans or the Lukashenkas. This is, if not worse, and with them it can
    to be. And you do not admit that the United States and Pashinyan and Lukoshenko were put in power precisely in order to
    in Armenia and Belarus, they would not have allowed the appearance of a XNUMX% pro-Russian leader who
    and would bring these former republics of the USSR into the new Russian Empire ...
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 1 October 2020 16: 27
      +2
      Why do we need Armenians as part of the country and the rest of the beshulma-mulma.
      Belarus, Russian-speaking Ukraine and that's enough. And let all the babais remain in Babaistani.
      1. Umalta
        Umalta 2 October 2020 01: 44
        0
        We do not need Armenians, nor Azerbaijanis, we do not need hostile regimes close by and NATO bases. Pashinyan is a Sorovite fosterling, cannot twitch just because the population does not support, but Azerbaijan, under the cover of Turkey, got into an adventure, plus with the use of barmaley, whom Erdogan threw. Our intervention (peacekeeping) is inevitable, we will not turn away from the campaign.
  21. serg2108
    serg2108 1 October 2020 11: 30
    -1
    wink as always Damantsev considers the interest, sad, boring and not informative
  22. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 1 October 2020 12: 53
    0
    .. Hmm. Unexpected countermeasures. And what is unexpected in them. Donkeys are not sitting in the general staffs .. Even in Turkish .. Everything can be calculated. Along the way, the throne under Aliyev swayed not childishly .. So he rushed into an adventure. the Turks nudged .. They have any bast in the line if only to the detriment of Russia
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 October 2020 15: 54
      -1
      Quote: Aleksey Alekseev_2
      Donkeys don't sit in the general staffs.

      This has not been proven. It will be revealed at the end of the game when the "Game over" music starts playing
  23. Megatron
    Megatron 1 October 2020 16: 24
    0
    Lousy about the bath .... and damants - everything scares!
  24. Andycomm
    Andycomm 1 October 2020 16: 25
    +1
    The task of Russia NOW is to radically prevent the Turks from directly participating in this "war".
    All!
  25. fighter angel
    fighter angel 1 October 2020 16: 38
    +1
    For the information of the author.
    The maximum that can land on "Eribuni" is IL-76/78, A-50.
    An-124 "Ruslan", most likely, landed in Zvartnots.
  26. Gorbunov Artem
    Gorbunov Artem 1 October 2020 18: 06
    -2
    NATO needs a reason. The Turks will jump out of their pants to provoke the Russian elite into action. The downed plane did not work, Putin pretended that such a demarche deserves sanctions (which were canceled almost immediately). For us, the war is not profitable, for the top it is murderous. Get the top of the next snot in your mug, rub and pretend that this is a minor incident. We just shouldn't forget, "The Turk is the enemy"
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 October 2020 20: 58
      -1
      Quote: Gorbunov Artem
      For us, the war is not profitable, for the top it is fatal.

      The opposite is true.
      1. Gorbunov Artem
        Gorbunov Artem 1 October 2020 21: 00
        0
        I think not.
  27. Hiller
    Hiller 1 October 2020 23: 14
    +2
    And I, having read the title of the article, it was a sinful thing to think that with a drumbeat and rustling banners, clattering horseshoes - numerous tank regiments of Buryat horse divers were moving forward. In vain I was hopeful.
  28. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 1 October 2020 23: 17
    0
    There is an uncle in the elderberry garden in Kiev, and on VO Damantsev
  29. Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 1 October 2020 23: 58
    0
    God forbid, that the war at the shopping and entertainment center in the Russian Federation was postponed ...
  30. Umalta
    Umalta 2 October 2020 01: 37
    0
    Turkey will be used by the US and NATO as a ram against the Russian Federation, we will be forced to intervene in the military-peacekeeping plan, the West will "hang all the dogs" on us, sanctions will be applied, etc.
  31. Pankrat25
    Pankrat25 2 October 2020 07: 43
    0
    I seem to be the only one who did not understand anything, what does Erdogan have to do with it? In my opinion, he is like a scavenger, where corpses and decay, he is fat.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 2 October 2020 18: 32
      +1
      And why do you not like Erdogan?
      Why a scavenger?
      Normal tough politician
      Weird, of course
  32. kiborg
    kiborg 2 October 2020 10: 18
    -1
    Moreover, in the very first hours after the beginning of the escalation of the Karabakh conflict, the online portal for monitoring regional and global air traffic Flightradar24 recorded the implementation of several flights of heavy military transport aircraft Il-76MD and An-124-100 Ruslan to the Eribuni airfield. the main purpose of which, apparently, was the delivery of additional anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM ammunition) to the most missile-hazardous areas, as well as ground multifunctional radars and electronic reconnaissance equipment.

    How did they fly if Georgia closed its sky for our aircraft ??
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 2 October 2020 18: 31
      0
      How did they fly if Georgia closed its sky for our aircraft ??.


      Secret
  33. Fidel
    Fidel 2 October 2020 15: 38
    -1
    The layout is very interesting.
    Turks receive credit and molt. Macaws stop twitching and merge under Russia already without any "lace" there .. And Ilkhomko ibn Ildarovich remains alone between two fires - between Russia and Iran. Its further colorful sexual future is not difficult to imagine)) Perhaps even the end of Azerbaijan's existence as a state. Winning three-way move))
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 2 October 2020 18: 30
      +1
      Turks receive credit and molt. Macaws stop twitching and merge under Russia without any "lace" there ..


      It’s good, of course
      But the Armenians will be the one to grab it.
      They have fewer people, technology, money, political opportunities.
      Logistics is worse
      For some time Baku has.
      Not infinite.
  34. yfast
    yfast 2 October 2020 19: 27
    0
    Does a reconnaissance plane, returning home along a winding path, continue to spy on 30 kW impulses unnoticed, or how much they have?
  35. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 5 October 2020 11: 58
    0
    "Armavir region of Armenia"? This is something new :)
  36. Guru
    Guru 8 October 2020 09: 28
    0
    Heavy article to read. I mixed everything up, adding the terms "newfangled".
    Moscow "torpedoed" Ankara's unspoken ultimatum
    What did she torpedo? ...
    Unexpected Kremlin countermeasures in response to escalation of Karabakh conflict
    What are the countermeasures?
    He mixed everything in the article, Libya, Karabakh, spiced up with clever words. type
    eloquently parrying all accusatory pathos of Baku
    threw in technical data, apparently to give credibility, the horror is simple.
    Article minus.