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Putin ordered to introduce a complete ban on the export of raw timber from the country

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Putin ordered to introduce a complete ban on the export of raw timber from the country

Russia will completely ban the export of unprocessed coniferous and valuable deciduous timber from the country. The corresponding order was given by Russian President Vladimir Putin.


The complete ban will take effect on January 1, 2022. Some time is given so that small companies, for which the forest is the only source of income, have time to come out of the shadows and, with reasonable government support, be able to establish timber processing.

I instruct from January 1, 2022 to introduce a complete ban on the export from Russia of unprocessed or rough, only for the type of processed timber of coniferous and valuable hardwood

- quotes the website of the Kremlin, the words of Putin.

The President demanded to reconsider the approaches to the work of customs, instructed to reform the forest control system, to extend strict supervision over the transportation, storage and processing of timber.

The Russian government confirmed the beginning of the development of measures that will be applied in the future to prevent the export of timber, including an electronic timber trade control system.

We propose to take measures to prohibit the export of unprocessed from the territory of our country, i.e. round timber, and roughly processed timber of coniferous and valuable hardwood

- said Deputy Prime Minister Victoria Abramchenko.
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  1. V1er
    V1er 30 September 2020 14: 34
    59
    It was high time! good
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 30 September 2020 14: 36
      33
      Quote: V1er
      It was high time! good

      Better late than never!
      (But the photo is of course Tin!) And how many such sites were and are there ?!
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 30 September 2020 15: 01
        +8
        The most creepy photos of deforestation are from an airplane.
        1. pereselenec
          pereselenec 30 September 2020 15: 04
          0
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          The most creepy photos of deforestation are from an airplane.

          https://pikabu.ru/story/ob_unichtozhenii_lesov_sibiri_5536750
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 30 September 2020 15: 14
            47
            Less than a quarter of a century later.
            But yes, better late than never.
            And now it would also be necessary to investigate who covered the black lumberjacks.

            Now, until the law comes into force, they are becoming more active. As if the whole Taiga is not turned into a desert. I think the only thing that can prevent this is the shooting of black lumberjacks by "unknown bandits". Taiga is so dangerous, I suppose refugees from the tsars are still hiding in it ...
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 30 September 2020 15: 47
              24
              Quote: Shurik70
              Now, until the law came into force, they are becoming more active. As if the whole Taiga is not turned into a desert.

              Is there no such law now?

              Was on "Russia 1" or "Special Report", or "Honest Detective" on this topic. Moreover, several years ago. There the problem of "untreated wood" these barbarians-cutters solved very simply - the whole brigade scraped round timber with electric planers and - please! Wood
              "turns ... turns ..." (c)
              into "processed" !.

              The only way to deal with the "black lumberjacks", "black fishermen", "the black ones still_devil_knows_who" is to introduce the death penalty back (fortunately, now it is clear that in Europe, for which we bowed so much with the "tower", no one is waiting for us) and pirate the export of strategic raw materials is equated with high treason with a corresponding sentence. After the first fifty or a hundred death sentences, I think there are few people willing to drag round timber to China and crab fish to Japan on the left.
              And to apply the highest measure not only for "lumberjacks", but also for those of their patrons who saw a tree only in the form of a walnut desktop in their office and in childhood in the form of a Christmas tree for the New Year. Because "lumberjacks" and "fishermen" themselves are consumables, like electrodes in welding. And the main evil and the main theft are in spacious offices.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 30 September 2020 17: 31
                +8
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                The only way to deal with "black lumberjacks", "black fishermen", "black ones still_devil_know_kem" is to reintroduce the death penalty

                Yes, at least, if this process is so good for them, let the forest be felled in the zone.
                1. AnpeL
                  AnpeL 30 September 2020 18: 48
                  10
                  When will there be a law banning the export of unprocessed hydrocarbons?
                  1. krot
                    krot 30 September 2020 20: 29
                    +5
                    This is the most anticipated ban! We thought for a long time ...
              2. Simargl
                Simargl 30 September 2020 21: 17
                +1
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                The only way to deal with "black lumberjacks", "black fishermen", "black ones still_devil_know_kem" is to reintroduce the death penalty
                Al Capone sat down not for murder, but for tax evasion.
                You don't need to produce essences and laws - you need to be simpler.
                1 - Everyone is obliged to pay taxes.
                2 - Any activity - must be licensed.
                Consequence: there is no license - both the article with licensing (work without permission) and with taxes (paying tax on illegal activities is strange) is violated.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 1 October 2020 05: 05
                  +4
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  The only way to deal with "black lumberjacks", "black fishermen", "black ones still_devil_know_kem" is to reintroduce the death penalty
                  Al Capone sat down not for murder, but for tax evasion.
                  You don't need to produce essences and laws - you need to be simpler.
                  1 - Everyone is obliged to pay taxes.
                  2 - Any activity - must be licensed.
                  Consequence: there is no license - both the article with licensing (work without permission) and with taxes (paying tax on illegal activities is strange) is violated.

                  Al Capone in America sat down for taxes. Contrary to the American constitution, which states that an American should not pay anyone anything from his income, this is one of the basic American freedoms.
                  ... Taxable income domestically.
                  • foreign tax credit;
                  • income of non-residents and foreign corporations;
                  • income from a company based abroad;
                  • income from foreign supplies of gas and oil;
                  • income from foreign supplies of minerals;
                  • income from work in Guam, American Samoa or the Mariana Islands;
                  • income from work in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands;
                  etc.
                  Form W-4 (tax return) is voluntary an agreement between the employee and the employer, according to which the employee trusts the employer to withhold taxes from him. Here is such an American paradox - on the one hand, you are not required to pay anything. On the other hand, tax evasion is a terrible crime.

                  We are not America. Not America at all. In practice, people are not jailed for tax evasion. They do not plant at all. Another thing is that, as a rule, there is still a "bouquet" - for it and planted. Not for long.

                  That is why it is necessary to apply the article for treason to the Motherland as
                  [...] the provision of financial, material and technical, consulting or other assistance to a foreign state, international or foreign organization or their representatives in activities directed against the security of the Russian Federation.
                  And there - from 12 to 20 years. And change to an exceptional measure - the execution is necessary. Because illegal trade in strategic resources, in my opinion, is an activity directly aimed at
                  against the security of the Russian Federation.
                  Financial, raw materials, political and any other.

                  By the way, about the execution. Yeltsin canceled, hoping that this is it - now will trample. Everyone will be friends with us, Europe will live with us almost like a family. And figurines! Nobody needs us. But in any police department after the execution was canceled, they could tell how often they began to shoot at the police - "Why should they be afraid? They won't shoot. And the zone? People live there too ..." Therefore, it is urgent to restore the death penalty. Including - for economic crimes in especially large ones. Not like now
                  In 2015, in Vladimir, the "black bankers" who were involved in cashing (7,5 billion rubles) and manufacturing counterfeit bank notes were given a suspended sentence of 2 to 4 years. In 2016, V. Landgraf, the co-owner of Fininvest, who pleaded guilty, received a suspended sentence of 4 years, although he was accused of embezzling as much as 1,5 billion rubles. The bank's claim for damages was redirected to a civil court. N. Gromova, ex-chairman of the board of the same bank, was found guilty of 5 episodes of embezzlement and received 3,5 years probation.
                  Former CEO of Smolensk Bank A. Danilov caused damage in the amount of 400 million rubles. and received 6 years probation for his art. Among other reasons for such a humane verdict of the court, the poor state of health of the accused was indicated. This, by the way, does not prevent him from going to parties and posing for photographers with beautiful girls.
                  But our justice has a harsh conversation with ordinary citizens.
                  In 2015, the court of Petrozavodsk sent a 22-year-old guy to a colony for 3 years for stealing 3 teddy bears from a flower kiosk. They were estimated at 3600 rubles. The severity of the sentence was determined by the previous conviction of a toy lover.
                  That is why we live this way. Civilized. No execution.
              3. Dart
                Dart 1 October 2020 00: 11
                +1
                I agree furiously, Igor !!!
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 September 2020 17: 20
              11
              As who covered - local self-government: officials, security officials and border guards help them in this, you think how an illegally cut forest crosses the border.
            3. Piramidon
              Piramidon 30 September 2020 17: 27
              +4
              Quote: Shurik70
              I think the only thing that can prevent this is the shooting of black lumberjacks by "unknown bandits".

              It would be possible to spray their plots from planes, under the guise of sanitizing the taiga from some kind of ticks and bark beetles, but something more abruptly than dichlorvos.
              Py.Sy. "Newbie" will not work. This poison does not bring down anyone.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 1 October 2020 05: 18
                +2
                Quote: Piramidon
                Py.Sy. "Newbie" will not work. This poison does not bring down anyone.

                "Novice" is an example of unfair competition in the West. And with what we do not have. The "cyclone" in Auschwitz is power. Orange in Vietnam is also a force. And "Novichok", it turns out, cannot even poison cockroaches. "Dichlorvos" appears to be more effective. Although it is claimed that
                Unclear... request
            4. 72jora72
              72jora72 1 October 2020 12: 52
              0
              And now it would also be necessary to investigate who covered the black lumberjacks.
              And how will they begin to "investigate" each other and imprison ........
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 30 September 2020 18: 28
            +5
            Quote: pereselenec
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            The most creepy photos of deforestation are from an airplane.

            https://pikabu.ru/story/ob_unichtozhenii_lesov_sibiri_5536750

            The first photo on the link is of felling sites in Indonesia. I did not know that Siberia stretches so widely. smile
          3. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 30 September 2020 18: 47
            +3
            And, you have not tried to carefully read the comments to your link ... Or noodles is yours !!! Because one lazy hoopoe was too lazy to attach a real photo, and the rest of the lazy hoopoes did not check. In the photo is Indonesia. Which, of course, is by no means a denial of the fact that predatory deforestation is being carried out in the Carpathians.
            https://news.wgbh.org/post/battling-deforestation-indonesia-...

            60
            Bashedurugu
            2 years ago
            How lovely. The topic is very good. But what do we care about the forests of Indonesia (photo # 1) and Canada (photo # 4). How is our Prutkov's Kozma? "Once a co-leader, who will believe you?"

            23
            User avatar n0one
            n0one
            2 years ago
            Yeah. By a simple search on the pictures in Google I found both "The technology of lisiv harrowing in the Carpathians. Yak tse vashtovano", and an article about logging in Canada, and even something written from right to left ....

            13
            Gnevrin avatar
            Gnevrin
            2 years ago
            @moderator, post stuffing.
        2. aszzz888
          aszzz888 1 October 2020 01: 46
          +4

          Ilya-spb (Ilya)
          Yesterday, 15: 01
          NEW

          +7
          The most creepy photos of deforestation are from an airplane.
          From the "plane" - yes. But when you yourself walk through such clear-cut areas, where Swedish equipment chooses a forest on unthinkable mountains and hills and drags it down, when you see thousands and thousands of cut down and abandoned stacks of wood, realizing at the same time what a multibillion-dollar damage and who profits, and at this time when for two packs of "Doshirak", and a pack of "Prima" a day, local natives are ready to cut down EVERYTHING to the root - a lump rolls up to the throat. And not from 2022 it is necessary to impose a ban on the export of round timber and finished timber, but NOW and IMMEDIATELY !!!
      2. Runoway
        Runoway 30 September 2020 15: 01
        10
        And how many such sites were and are?
        and how much will it be ???? Right now, until January 1, 2022, they will begin to work at an accelerated pace, the taiga would remain ...
      3. Ponchik78
        Ponchik78 1 October 2020 16: 08
        0
        Not Russia in the photo. This is a timber warehouse near Büholm, Sweden.
    2. ancient
      ancient 30 September 2020 14: 38
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: V1er
      It was high time!

      If the "partners" would not stop taking our "national wealth", then ... everything would have continued the same way ... wassat
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 30 September 2020 15: 21
        14
        Well, why write nonsense. request
        China knocked out our quality plywood producers from almost all markets and from the USA in the first place. And all thanks to the poaching supplies of our forest. They do not have such wood of their own.
        All the famous Finnish paper is also in our forest.
        At the highest level, the Finns begged not to prohibit the supply of round timber.
        They even promised not to join NATO.
        But times have changed.
        There are problems with oil and the further the more there will be. With gas - too.
        Therefore, accounting for all other goodness is imperative.
        And it went well with the grain. And I hope everything else is used as it should.
        1. ancient
          ancient 30 September 2020 15: 50
          0
          Quote: Alex777
          And it went well with the grain. And I hope everything else is used as it should.

          What do you have .. "good" went or .. "goes"? How is it ... "expressed"? belay
          Sound at least one "sphere" ... where are we not in ...... "the same place"? wassat
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 30 September 2020 15: 53
            0
            It went well - it means we produce products in such quantity and such quality that we can sell abroad, having previously provided our own needs.
            With grain it is. Unlike the USSR.
            Although I am not ancient, I remember well how I harvested the crop in the 80s. wink
            1. basmach
              basmach 30 September 2020 16: 17
              +5
              Here are the problems with the quality. If in the USSR there was not enough fodder (grades 4 and 5), now grades 1 and 2 do not produce post, 3 goes abroad. And we are allowed to add 4 to bread in accordance with GOST. That is, fodder is baked from it.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 30 September 2020 17: 13
                -5
                If in the USSR there was not enough fodder (grades 4 and 5), now grades 1 and 2 do not produce

                As for the lack of fodder, I doubt it.
                But the USSR bought high-quality grain all over the world.
                Now we are not buying anything, as far as I am aware. hi
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 30 September 2020 19: 41
                0
                In the USSR, since 1946, there was not enough any grain - and 45 million tons to buy abroad in the 80s, no matter what it went to, this is an indicator of a food disaster, whatever, despite the presence of thousands of collective farms and hundreds of thousands of units of equipment.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 30 September 2020 21: 58
                  +1
                  We are not buying anything now?
                  1. Ponchik78
                    Ponchik78 1 October 2020 16: 04
                    +1
                    No. Quite the opposite. We have become one of the largest exporters.
          2. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 30 September 2020 18: 00
            +1
            Sound at least one "sphere" ... where are we not in ...... "the same place"? wassat

            I will add more bitterness to you. That your world was completely apocalyptic.

            1. ancient
              ancient 30 September 2020 21: 12
              -1
              Quote: Interlocutor
              I will add more bitterness to you. That your world was completely apocalyptic.

              You are completely in your .. "urya- fool "out of ..." the mind went out " wassat
              Some kind of "oambourni" for the production of .... "all nonsense" .. little things .. (films, plastic, processing, etc. ...) but about the newly created workplace ... in general .... . "white fur animal" wassat .... set up called .. "production" lol ... 26 jobs ... 60 jobs .... "huddle" wassat
              While you are here "lambourney" creating ..... "normal guys" oh how ... swung wassat bully

              "..... Agency of the Far East for attracting investment and export support (API) proposes to create another internal Russian offshore on the island of Bolshoy Ussuriysky. About this TASS on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) said the head of the IPA Leonid Petukhov.
              On the island, which is located on the Amur River, is partly included in the city limits of Khabarovsk and along which the border between Russia and China runs, according to Petukhov, you can create a "big financial center". bully
              In particular, a timber trade exchange can be placed there, the head of the IPA said.
              It will be subject to the legislation of special administrative regions - internal offshore companies with reduced or zero tax rates created in the Russian Federation to return capital to the country.
              At the moment, there are two ATS operating in Russia - on the Oktyabrsky and Russian islands in the Kaliningrad region and the Primorsky Territory. There, business owners can pay zero income tax on dividends that they receive as the majority shareholders of the holdings.

              Well, how did I ... "add" ... "bitterness" wink
              1. ancient
                ancient 30 September 2020 21: 17
                +1
                Quote: ancient
                Well, how did I ... "add" ... "bitterness"

                And I can also ... "fresh" ... from 27.09/2020/XNUMX:
                "..... Having practically lost the Turkish gas market, Russia is beginning to lose ground in the oil market.
                Turkey's largest refinery - STAR launched in 2018 - has abandoned purchases of Russian oil and replaced Urals supplies with grades from Iraq and Norway, Reuters reports, citing traders and trade statistics.



                The plant with a capacity of 210 barrels per day, which belongs to the Azerbaijani SOCAR, for the second month in a row does not buy a barrel of Urals, although in the past it was one of the country's largest clients of Russian oil workers.
                The refinery halted purchases in August when Russia was forced to nearly halve its exports to Europe in line with the OPEC + deal and continues its boycott policy in September.
                Since the beginning of the year, it has purchased 1,2 million tons of Russian oil, which is 5 times less than in 2019.
                
Instead of Urals STAR, it buys the Norwegian grade Johan Sverdrup, which entered the market last year, as well as the Iraqi Basra oil, similar in characteristics to the Russian one.
                “Johan Sverdrup gives better margins and has less sulfur than Urals. Basra is also more profitable. Urals is the worst value proposition of the three (grades) for comparable money, ”a spokesman for a Mediterranean refinery told Reuters.

                According to the Central Dispatch Office of the Fuel and Energy Complex, in August, Russian oil supplies to Europe through the port of Ust-Luga fell by 43% compared to April, to 1,098 million tons.
                Exports through Primorsk fell by almost half: 2,003 million tons in August against 3,993 million in April.


                Deliveries to the south of Europe, which are sent by tankers via Novorossiysk, have collapsed almost 4 times: in April it was 1,688 million tons, and in August - 0,452 million.
                July indicators were even worse - 0,382 million tons, but in May and June - at the peak of OPEC + restrictions - exports were still higher: 0,486 and 0,502 million tons, respectively.
                As a cumulative result, Russia for 8 months of 2020 sold 64,817 million tons of oil through ports - 20,9% less than in the same period a year ago.
                1. Interlocutor
                  Interlocutor 30 September 2020 21: 43
                  +1
                  That is why these areas should not be the main ones.
                  They don't buy today, they buy tomorrow. Moreover, the Turks.
                  And these so-called small industries with investments of 6 billion each are the backlog that pushes the country forward.

                  ..... The Far East Agency for Attracting Investments and Export Support (API) proposes to create another internal Russian offshore on the island of Bolshoi Ussuriysky. TASS was informed about this on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) by the head of the IPA Leonid Petukhov.
                  On the island, which is located on the Amur River, partly within the city limits of Khabarovsk and along which the border between Russia and China lies, according to Petukhov, a "large financial center" can be created. bully

                  And they don't just want to do but do ...
              2. Interlocutor
                Interlocutor 30 September 2020 21: 34
                -1
                "..... The Far East Agency for Attracting Investments and Export Support (API) proposes to create another internal Russian offshore on the island of Bolshoy Ussuriysky, TASS head of the IPI Leonid Petukhov told TASS on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF).
                On the island, which is located on the Amur River, partly within the city limits of Khabarovsk and along which the border between Russia and China lies, according to Petukhov, a "large financial center" can be created. bully
                In particular, a timber trade exchange can be placed there, the head of the IPA said.
                It will be subject to the legislation of special administrative regions - internal offshore companies with reduced or zero tax rates created in the Russian Federation to return capital to the country.
                At the moment, there are two ATS operating in Russia - on the Oktyabrsky and Russian islands in the Kaliningrad region and the Primorsky Territory. There, business owners can pay zero income tax on dividends that they receive as the majority shareholders of the holdings.

                Everything is correct. Money is attracted in a different way now everywhere.
                And jobs are being created. 25 and 60 jobs every week.
        2. Runoway
          Runoway 30 September 2020 16: 04
          +7
          There are problems with oil and the further the more there will be

          What prevents the processed product from being sold, and not by the raw one, is also other money and jobs.
          And it went well with the grain

          That's just every fall
          little grain is harvested - bad, bread will rise in price

          or
          a lot of grain was harvested - badly oversupply on the market, bread will rise

          And everywhere they trumpet that they make it from low-grade grain.
          In general, the same as with gasoline, there is a problem, everyone knows, but no one wants to solve
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 30 September 2020 17: 34
          +8
          Quote: Alex777
          And it went well with the grain

          But it's better to trade in flour and pasta.
      2. ancient
        ancient 30 September 2020 15: 42
        +7
        Quote: ancient
        If the "partners" would not stop taking our "national wealth"

        And what ... is this news for the "mines"?belay ..Or strongly "hits .. scraped? wassat
        So welkom, .. "spread out" your .. "horizons" wassat
        "..... An attempt to expand Russian gas exports eastward using the Power of Siberia pipeline turns into an additional headache for Gazprom, which has already faced a double-digit drop in demand in Europe and an almost complete halt in pumping to Turkey. wassat
        Launched at the end of 2019, the gas pipeline, the construction of which cost 1,1 trillion rubles, or 15,5 billion dollars, operates at 60% of the planned capacity, not even covering the minimum volume of the take-or-pay contract, Interfax reports. link to the data of the Chinese customs.
        According to statistics, in May Gazprom pumped 281 million cubic meters of fuel to China, which is 12% less than the levels of the first two months of Power of Siberia's operation (318 million cubic meters in December and January).
        The cumulative total for January-May, China purchased 1,27 billion cubic meters. Since April, the volume of supplies has been at the level of about 9 million cubic meters per day, and if this rate is maintained, then by the end of the year Gazprom will supply 3,1 billion cubic meters.
        This is 40% less than both the total contractual volume (5 billion cubic meters) and the minimum, fixed on the basis of the "take or pay" principle (4,25 billion cubic meters). "
        The link to the full version of the article is https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/birzhevyye-tovary/kitayu-okazalsya-ne-nuzhen-rossiyskiy-gaz-1029433033.
        Conclusion - The current financial position of Gazprom is beginning to look not just threatening, but openly pre-bankrupt.
        Net profit only in the second quarter collapsed by half year on year, but in the first half of the year it decreased by 94 (!) Percent compared to the same period last year: 45 billion this year against 713 last year.
        Half-year revenue fell from RUB 4 trillion to less than RUB 3 trillion.
        It is reported that in June, Russian gas supplies to the domestic Turkish market amounted to 2 million cubic meters. Having started this year with export of 2,2 billion cubic meters in January, in June Gazprom virtually cut off gas supplies. The Turkish market is lost to him.
        Link - https://kapital-rus.ru/articles/article/turciya_skazala_net_gazu_iz_rossii_tureckii_potok_vysoh/
        The same is happening in the oil sector:
        Link - https://kapital-rus.ru/articles/article/turciya_obyavila_boikot_rossiiskoi_nefti/
        So, at least for .. "minus" .... what will it change7 .. Will the brains of the "people of the national heritage" be added? lol
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 September 2020 17: 22
          -10 qualifying.
          Gazprom has 13 trillion rubles of equity capital, so all the lamentations about a depressing situation or bankruptcy are nothing more than a fairy tale.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 30 September 2020 18: 31
            10
            Quote: Vadim237
            Gazprom has 13 trillion rubles of equity capital

            And what are they then come to Putin for loans?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 September 2020 19: 44
              -6
              Most of the offices are state-owned, so they go to the state, since the state has set these managers to manage, even more so in the implementation of national projects, they take part in any way.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 30 September 2020 19: 53
                +7
                Quote: Vadim237
                Most of the office is state-owned, so they go to the state

                So they don't need money in your opinion?
                Gazprom has 13 trillion rubles of equity capital

                Why does Ptuin give them money then? After all, they have 13 trillion already ..
            2. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 30 September 2020 21: 36
              -3
              And what are they then come to Putin for loans?

              This is the principle of business in any country.
          2. ancient
            ancient 30 September 2020 21: 27
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Gazprom has 13 trillion rubles of equity capital, so all the lamentations about a depressing situation or bankruptcy are nothing more than a fairy tale.

            wassat laughing lol
            Gazprom will forever lend 150 billion rubles

            For the first time in its history, Gazprom plans to raise debt without maturity.
            OOO Gazprom Capital, a subsidiary of the Russian gas holding, is preparing a program of perpetual bonds worth 150 billion rubles, Interfax reports with reference to the company's statement.

            The program will be valid for 100 years, laughing lol and the funds raised are expected to be used, among other things, to finance the gasification of Russia.

            Currently, there are 5 issues of Gazprom's ruble-denominated bonds in circulation for a total of RUB 70 billion, as well as 10 issues of Gazprom Capital bonds worth RUB 120 billion.

            The total debt of "Gazprom" is 4,442 trillion rubles (as of June 30) and consists mainly of loans in foreign currency.!!!!!!! bully wink

            In 2020, the company twice entered the international capital market, placing Eurobonds for $ 3 billion and 1 billion euros, and also attracted loans from Western banks for 608 million euros.

            New loans are needed by Gazprom to fill the budget gap created by the collapse of gas prices and demand in Europe.

            The company completed the first half of the year with a cash gap of 307 billion rubles - this is how much the cash flow from operating activities was less than the amount spent on capital construction.!!!!!! bully wassat wink .... and they also ask for .. "The Power of Siberia -2" ... (Ostap Ibragimovich turned over in his coffin ..with his .. "New Vasyukas" lol)

            Perpetual bonds have been chosen as a mechanism to bail out state-owned companies at the government level - They, according to the idea of ​​officials, should replace direct subsidies from the budget, sources familiar with the decision told Vedomosti.
            1. standan
              standan 30 September 2020 22: 05
              -6
              Will there be links or OBS?
              1. ancient
                ancient 1 October 2020 11: 21
                0
                Quote: standan
                Will there be links or OBS?

                And what .... "on the word" there is no faith ... only for those who fellow .... wassat
                Then please:
                Full link - https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/obligatsii/gazprom-navechno-odolzhit-150-milliardov-rubley-1029627126
                1. standan
                  standan 1 October 2020 21: 02
                  -1
                  There will be no normal sources, except for this vise yellow press, as I understand it
        2. Zefr
          Zefr 30 September 2020 17: 43
          10
          In short, while they were working on what was left of the Union, they were covered in chocolate. And as they themselves tried in business, so far they have only received losses.
        3. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 30 September 2020 18: 21
          -7
          half written nonsense
        4. Rubi0
          Rubi0 30 September 2020 19: 27
          +1
          Interestingly, how can market methods keep the indicators in the deepest crisis when the industry collapses in Europe due to quarantine? And so that later we do not shout, we are not Americans, we are kind and do not promote gas by their own methods
        5. standan
          standan 30 September 2020 22: 00
          0
          And why were you ashamed to fully indicate the sources?
          "Turkey is mercilessly hitting economic ties with Russia. Another victim is Russian oil. For two months in a row, Turkey's largest refinery STAR, which was opened in 2018 by Azerbaijani SOCAR, refuses to buy Urals oil. Instead of the Russian brand, the refinery imports similar grades from Iraq and Norway, writes Reuters with reference to traders and statistics. "
          https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/birzhevyye-tovary/kitayu-okazalsya-ne-nuzhen-rossiyskiy-gaz-1029433033
          , and this is generally a masterpiece,
          yellow press
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 30 September 2020 14: 45
      25
      Quote: V1er
      It was high time! good

      I have some kind of deja vu, every five years the same news .. I may be wrong, of course, but Putin has already instructed it .. He also gives orders about gasoline prices every year .. and in general there are many different orders .. But that's all they are somehow ignored ..
      1. V1er
        V1er 30 September 2020 14: 46
        +6
        And can you bring the news that there was such an order a year ago? An interesting topic turns out.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 30 September 2020 14: 53
          +9
          Quote: V1er
          And can you bring the news that there was such an order a year ago? An interesting topic turns out.

          Of course you can .. but you can dig it yourself in the internet ..
          Here the EP rejected the bill banning the export of timber .. it was March 5, 20 .. It was before, too lazy to look .. but this is every year, two repeats ..
          https://news.rambler.ru/other/43794597-er-otklonila-zakon-o-zaprete-eksporta-drevesiny/
          Here for 2019 ..
          https://lesprominform.ru/jarticles.html?id=5251
          It all looks ridiculous, the same visits from the president, which have been spinning for 20 years and still many people here react enthusiastically to VO .. You have to judge business ... and not by words and intentions ..
          1. V1er
            V1er 30 September 2020 14: 57
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            https://news.rambler.ru/other/43794597-er-otklonila-zakon-o-zaprete-eksporta-drevesiny/
            Here for 2019 ..
            https://news.rambler.ru/other/43794597-er-otklonila-zakon-o-zaprete-eksporta-drevesiny/

            Thanks of course, but you gave two identical links.
            1. frog
              frog 30 September 2020 15: 39
              10
              Manturov found no need to ban the export of round timber from the Russian Federation

              Moscow. April 10th. INTERFAX.RU - A ban on the export of round timber from the Russian Federation would be a violation of obligations to the WTO, moreover, there is no need for it, said the head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov.

              “Last year, our timber industry complex showed the highest export growth rates - over 20%. This is, among other things, the result of the implementation of almost 150 investment projects in the industry for deep timber processing. I know that many of you are concerned about the export of raw timber from the country, and there are even proposals to introduce a complete ban on its sale abroad, "said Manturov, speaking at the" government hour "in the Federation Council.

              "Today there is no need for this, since every year the share of export of round timber is decreasing and has now reached a historical minimum of 7,8% of the total volume of logging," the minister said.
              11:41, April 10, 2019

              Continue???
          2. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 30 September 2020 18: 08
            -5
            К
            It all looks even ridiculous, the same visits from the president, which have been spinning for 20 years and still many here react enthusiastically to VO .. You have to judge business .. and not by words and intentions.
            .
            But why. In the European part, the issue of logging is being resolved, but closer to Siberia, it is relevant. The government has a huge number of lobbyists for various topics. This suggests that our state is certainly not totalitarian now. The fight is hard in the legal field.
            As for the complete stop of the export of round timber abroad, this is not just a blow, it is a knockout to the most powerful system. Now such a lobby will begin. Mask show ... We will break spears here more than once. They give us articles.
        2. Roman13579
          Roman13579 30 September 2020 15: 35
          +6
          https://pasmi.ru/archive/230647/

          Not just a year ago, but 1,5
        3. frog
          frog 30 September 2020 15: 37
          +4
          About making amendments in st. 29 of the Forest Code of the Russian Federation. - from 1.01.2020 to 31.12.2030 the harvesting of coniferous wood only for processing into ter. RF
          Date of adoption of the law: 21.05.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX

          Article 1

          To amend Article 29 of the Forest Code of the Russian Federation (Collected Legislation of the Russian Federation, 2006, No. 50, Art. 5278; 2015, No. 27, Art. 3997), adding part 6.1 of the following content:

          "6.1. Until December 31, 2030, the harvesting of commercial softwood (pine, spruce, fir, cedar and larch) is allowed only for processing in the Russian Federation or for use without processing in the Russian Federation. "

          Article 2 1. This Federal Law shall enter into force on January 1, 2020.

          President of Russian Federation
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 30 September 2020 15: 01
        +2
        That is, there is just over a year left for enrichment ?!
        But what about the Chinese, who have rented thousands of hectares of forest on a long-term basis?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 30 September 2020 15: 02
          +6
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          That is, there is just over a year left for enrichment ?!

          Why are you depriving enthusiastic children of the pleasure of yelling urya .. They have been deceived for 20 years, and they are happy ..
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 30 September 2020 15: 15
            -1
            Ah ... Well, let them have fun ... If only they did not take the lists in hand.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 September 2020 17: 24
          -7
          And these Chinese offices - they paid money and pay taxes for deforestation, everything is legal.
        3. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 30 September 2020 18: 13
          -4
          But what about the Chinese, who have rented thousands of hectares of forest on a long-term basis?


          Is there any confirmation of this?
        4. Simargl
          Simargl 30 September 2020 21: 27
          -1
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          But what about the Chinese, who have rented thousands of hectares of forest on a long-term basis?
          What's wrong with them? They will build or rent a processing plant and will also drive timber abroad. Automatic production is now so automatic that it requires a minimum of people.
        5. 72jora72
          72jora72 1 October 2020 13: 02
          0
          That is, there is just over a year left for enrichment ?!
          It's just that in a year everyone will forget about this initiative, and I assure you, everything will remain the same.
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 30 September 2020 14: 48
      +3
      Uh-huh .. About 20 years ago .. However, I think they will put a bolt on this order of the president as usual .. Who in the country listens to him, especially when it comes to the big bubble ..
    5. nnm
      nnm 30 September 2020 14: 54
      +1
      Yes, the question is in the inevitability of punishment ...
    6. Vend
      Vend 30 September 2020 14: 54
      -4
      Quote: V1er
      It was high time! good

      For this it was necessary to adopt amendments to the Constitution. Treated wood is more expensive, and if it is also cut into boards or something else, it will be even more expensive. Some of the former republics have good forests. You don't chop yet, then they come to you laughing
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 30 September 2020 15: 11
        +5
        Quote: Wend
        For this it was necessary to adopt amendments to the Constitution.

        Wake up already .. amendments are not for this, but that would rule forever and for this there was nothing ...
        1. Vend
          Vend 30 September 2020 15: 30
          -6
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Wend
          For this it was necessary to adopt amendments to the Constitution.

          Wake up already .. amendments are not for this, but that would rule forever and for this there was nothing ...

          Tell yourself in the mirror laughing there are no idiots here, you made a mistake with the site, you need to go to Ukrainian or Baltic sites laughing
          1. Roman13579
            Roman13579 30 September 2020 15: 41
            +6
            there are no idiots here


            Anatoly, Anatoly ..
            Do not write anymore that in order to prohibit the felling and export of timber, the Constitution must be changed ..
            And we will pretend that we did not notice the idiots here ..))
      2. Roman13579
        Roman13579 30 September 2020 15: 38
        +1
        For this it was necessary to adopt amendments to the Constitution.

        And you didn't need to make Ku for this ??
    7. iouris
      iouris 30 September 2020 14: 59
      +1
      Not even 40 years have passed.
    8. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 30 September 2020 15: 23
      -2
      It was time for a long time, but the first 20 years after the collapse of the USSR, the country had nothing to eat. If it were not for the sale of "mineral resources" would have turned into the Outskirts .. In such a huge country like Russia, all processes should proceed calmly and without jerks. Otherwise, you can move off the rail by inertia.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 30 September 2020 15: 29
        +6
        Quote: Senka Mad
        If it were not for the sale of "bowels" they would have turned into the Outskirts ..

        And what, has something changed, are we selling something besides the natural heritage?
        In such a huge country as Russia, all processes should proceed calmly and without jerks.

        Or maybe you need a jerk? Under Stalin, the country changed radically in 20 years. And under Putin, 20 years with a minus sign ..
        1. Senka naughty
          Senka naughty 30 September 2020 16: 25
          -2
          Quote: Svarog
          And what, has something changed, are we selling something besides the natural heritage?

          We sell, just not to just anyone.
          Quote: Svarog
          Or maybe you need a jerk? Under Stalin, the country changed radically in 20 years. And under Putin, 20 years with a minus sign ..

          And under Peter I, the boyars' beards were chopped off, you don’t need to tweak anything, so that you can sow to progress? Minuses to the studio, only without the well-known slogans about retirement and polymers.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 September 2020 17: 27
          0
          Non-resource exports with weapons last year 210 billion dollars - so we sell a lot of things besides raw materials.
        3. Rubi0
          Rubi0 30 September 2020 19: 36
          0
          And what prevents you personally from exporting something other than subsoil? Today, the news was that the promobot signed a contract for the supply of robots of the Velmart network in Peru, before that to Greece, Germany and even the states, and the founders of this company were yesterday's students from Perm, it seems that they do not know that they live in Russia
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 30 September 2020 19: 46
            0
            Nothing bothers me - I'm exporting plain bearings and now I will start exporting dairy products and plasma spraying machines.
      2. Roman13579
        Roman13579 30 September 2020 15: 45
        +5
        If it were not for the sale of "bowels" they would have turned into the Outskirts ..

        And now they have turned into Switzerland ..

        First place in inflation .. with the sale of everything and everyone ..
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 September 2020 17: 29
          -8
          Inflation is 4% per year - so it is far from the first in this indicator.
        2. Senka naughty
          Senka naughty 30 September 2020 17: 36
          -6
          Quote: Roman13579
          If it were not for the sale of "bowels" they would have turned into the Outskirts ..

          And now they have turned into Switzerland ..

          First place in inflation .. with the sale of everything and everyone ..

          That your suburban plot with a scarecrow in the field was also sold? Switzerland and the hedgehogs are with her, they pray that Russia will always exist .. And from this needle, they will no longer get off ..
        3. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 1 October 2020 01: 01
          -1
          Quote: Roman13579
          First place in inflation.

          Oh, again ... Already on this thread. laughing
          Enviable persistence in trying to convey this "shock content" to the masses. fellow It turns out something like a pop-up window. wassat
    9. halpat
      halpat 30 September 2020 16: 07
      +6
      Quote: V1er
      It was high time! good

      Until January 1, 2022, Russia has a concrete chance of being left without a forest at all.
      It was necessary from October 1, 2020. All current export contracts are under total control from the plot to export shipment and for a period of no more than 6 months from October 1, 2020.
    10. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 September 2020 18: 17
      +4
      Quote: V1er
      It was high time! good

      Absolutely ... but ... it would be nice to plant young growth in place of the felled one. And then you look from above, as if the clipping mite walked in half with the lichen.
    11. Maz
      Maz 30 September 2020 18: 27
      +4
      Finnish timber processors consider Putin's decision to restrict timber export unpleasant, a spokesman for their association told RIA Novosti.

      The shares of the largest Finnish wood processing giants Stora Enso, UPM and Metsä are falling on the Helsinki Stock Exchange.

      Finland receives 75% of its timber supplies from Russia.
    12. imobile2008
      imobile2008 30 September 2020 18: 40
      +3
      And what about oil? weak to do so?
    13. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 30 September 2020 19: 20
      +4
      What prevented you from doing this 20 years ago?
    14. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 1 October 2020 05: 03
      0
      It's just that the oil is running out.
  2. Dave36
    Dave36 30 September 2020 14: 35
    +6
    Fat Lycos!
  3. V1er
    V1er 30 September 2020 14: 36
    16
    Another would be to prohibit the export of unprocessed oil, to sell only the final product.
    1. Asad
      Asad 30 September 2020 15: 00
      -1
      Will it not work out so that we will have the croaker?
    2. mole
      mole 30 September 2020 15: 04
      +4
      Quote: V1er
      Another would be to prohibit the export of unprocessed oil, to sell only the final product.

      This, unfortunately, is only a commission. In a year and a half, you can take out a lot.
      Look at satellite images of traditional felling sites, be surprised what rafts are being rafted along the Angara !!!
  4. Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 30 September 2020 14: 37
    +2
    I would even say: it's too late.
  5. Lesorub
    Lesorub 30 September 2020 14: 37
    13
    The full ban will take effect from January 1, 2022

    Yesterday it was necessary to introduce a ban! (And in two years, how many more will have time to cut the taiga).
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 30 September 2020 14: 45
      +1
      Yesterday it was necessary to introduce a ban! (And in two years, how many more will have time to cut the taiga).

      Do not have time.
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  7. Antidote
    Antidote 30 September 2020 14: 39
    +8
    They will be dismissed on a board / timber / rail and in the same way they will be transported by railway trains. Which, however, is happening.
    Prohibiting export and establishing production of the finished product are slightly different things.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 30 September 2020 14: 47
      +9
      They will be dismissed on a board / timber / rail and in the same way they will be transported by railway trains. Which, however, is happening.
      Prohibiting export and establishing production of the finished product are slightly different things.

      These are different prices and already different taxes.
      Cut off load and take out is one thing.
      But to cut and put on the board is already a hospital. You can't quit your activity so quickly. This means significant control over the license and other related garbage. Professionals know better.
      1. Train
        Train 30 September 2020 14: 53
        +1
        These are tens of thousands of jobs nationwide ...
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 30 September 2020 15: 18
          +1
          These are tens of thousands of jobs nationwide ...

          Voooot good Thats exactly what I mean.
        2. Aqr009
          Aqr009 30 September 2020 17: 18
          +7
          These are tens of thousands of jobs nationwide ...

          Rather, it will be tens of thousands of guest workers from all countries ... sad
    2. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 30 September 2020 14: 49
      +3
      Quote: Antidote
      They will be dismissed on a board / timber / rail and in the same way they will be transported by railway trains. Which, however, is happening.
      Prohibiting export and establishing production of the finished product are slightly different things.

      Board, Bar, Reika are also processed products. Many people need these products. Or do you only offer to export furniture?
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 September 2020 15: 07
        +2
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Board, Bar, Reika are also processed products. Many people need these products. Or do you only offer to export furniture?

        Yes, it's so-so recycling! The only plus here is that it will push someone to the development of deeper processing in the future in their production, as the saying goes: "you need to get involved!" hi
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 30 September 2020 15: 11
          +2
          However, it is definitely better than selling round timber.
          A simple example, I decided to buy a profiled beam for the construction of a gazebo ... there are a lot of offers from Finnish manufacturers. With the introduction of the ban - this will definitely not happen! hi
    3. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 30 September 2020 15: 10
      +9
      The forest costs about 700 rubles. per cube, and edged board and timber cost 9500r per cubic meter. And the rake is 15000 to 20000 per cubic meter. Croaker costs 1500-2000 per cubic meter
      1. Antidote
        Antidote 30 September 2020 15: 35
        -2
        https://www.italianskaia-mebel.ru/i_48795.htm например.
        but it's better to speculate about the cost of a slab, right?
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 30 September 2020 16: 08
          +2
          Quote: Antidote
          https://www.italianskaia-mebel.ru/i_48795.htm например.
          but it's better to speculate about the cost of a slab, right?

          Can you imagine what percentage of wood is used to make furniture? You don't have to search, I will tell you less than 3%. It takes 7 times more for firewood! The main demanded wood products are just Building Materials! But it's better to speculate about the cost of an Italian sofa, right?
          1. Antidote
            Antidote 30 September 2020 17: 16
            -1
            The use of wood as a source of energy (firewood) is in the same row as the export of round timber, that is, mauvais ton.
            Look at the calendar, 21st century outside.
            Undoubtedly, it is necessary to use timber for construction, but the idea is to create a large added value on the territory of the country, and not trade in raw materials, albeit construction.
      2. Aag
        Aag 1 October 2020 04: 40
        +2
        Quote: _Sergey_
        The forest costs about 700 rubles. per cube, and edged board and timber cost 9500r per cubic meter. And the rake is 15000 to 20000 per cubic meter. Croaker costs 1500-2000 per cubic meter

        Irkutsk: timber, board 11000-12500 r / cube ...
  8. Alien From
    Alien From 30 September 2020 14: 46
    +4
    It's high time to do it, the Chinese to pinch the tail!
    1. Train
      Train 30 September 2020 14: 52
      +4
      And the Finns? I am a contractor for Metsälita Kroup. We are allocating plots for felling ...
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 30 September 2020 15: 09
        +4
        Yes to everyone who stuck to this topic !!!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 September 2020 17: 32
      0
      So they are starting to buy more and more timber from Canada.
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 30 September 2020 18: 22
      +3
      Quote: Alien From
      Chinese tail pinch!

      After leasing the taiga for 49 years?
  9. svp67
    svp67 30 September 2020 14: 47
    +6
    The full ban will take effect from January 1, 2022
    Why not from 2021 ????? Now it is necessary to bring additional cardons to the border, so I think that now there will be a "cheche" on the export of the remnants of industrial wood
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 30 September 2020 14: 51
    +1
    HA, HA, the Yankees tried to introduce dry law !!! Shaw did it?
    And what will we have ???
    The President demanded to reconsider the approaches to the work of customs, instructed to reform the forest control system, to extend strict supervision over the transportation, storage and processing of timber.

    I used to laugh, but somehow it is NOT FUNNY !!!
  11. Train
    Train 30 September 2020 14: 51
    0
    Oh! And I'm taking the plots under the felling! The hike is kaput to my work ... request
    1. lucul
      lucul 30 September 2020 15: 00
      +3
      Oh! And I'm taking the plots under the wheelhouse!

      And of course you can describe how it actually happens? )))
      1. Train
        Train 30 September 2020 21: 21
        0
        And outline maps with drawings of future areas are issued. You draw an outline - a map of the object itself and into the forest in a certain quarter where you draw the contour of the plot along the compass using points or azimuth and a 50-meter tape, recording the track in the harmin-navigator. Then to the office, there you bring the information from the navigator and compare it with the map in the computer program. And voa-la-you a package of documents for the plot. (The work is very difficult, requires higher education)
        1. Aag
          Aag 1 October 2020 04: 37
          0
          Quote: Zug
          And outline maps with drawings of future areas are issued. You draw an outline - a map of the object itself and into the forest in a certain quarter where you draw the contour of the plot along the compass using points or azimuth and a 50-meter tape, recording the track in the harmin-navigator. Then to the office, there you bring the information from the navigator and compare it with the map in the computer program. And voa-la-you a package of documents for the plot. (The work is very difficult, requires higher education)

          The key is to assess the quantity and quality of the forest on the plot! (Criminal component).
          1. Train
            Train 1 October 2020 08: 26
            0
            Of course, the toxation of the forest is done. The type of trees, diameter and height, as well as the quantity, you can write to the prosecutor's office. The criminal component. smile Determinant of components lol
  12. Free wind
    Free wind 30 September 2020 14: 53
    +1
    He broadcast about this about 4 years ago, so what? The Chinese will come with their sawmills, they will snatch the site, saw it. What's the difference. The band sawmill stands near the lam, there are also mobile versions. Only after sawmills are mountains of bark and sawdust left, and no one knows what to do with them. And they rot, infecting the area, and also have properties to burn.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 1 October 2020 16: 03
      0
      Only after sawmills are mountains of bark and sawdust left, and no one knows what to do with them. And they rot, infecting the area, and also have properties to burn.

      It can be used as a raw material for wood chemistry, probably, but mobile wood chemical plants (in the manner of mobile ABZ) will be required. Fuel pallets, pellets, bedding for agricultural enterprises, sawdust and shavings for furniture factories for the production of panels can also be produced, some building materials (sawdust concrete, insulation, etc.).
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 1 October 2020 19: 08
        0
        Sorry, but not much.
  13. Undecim
    Undecim 30 September 2020 14: 53
    +3
    I instruct from January 1, 2022 to introduce a complete ban on the export from Russia of unprocessed or rough, only for the type of processed timber of coniferous and valuable hardwood
    Now sawmills will skyrocket in price.
  14. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 30 September 2020 14: 55
    +4
    At the end of February 2019, the State Duma once again (this is the 16th attempt) introduced a bill banning the export of unprocessed and minimally processed wood from Russia.
  15. askort154
    askort154 30 September 2020 14: 56
    +5
    We watched for 0 years, were indignant, took satellite images from space, spent millions only on extinguishing annual fires and arson. Finally they decided to give birth to something like a ban. And not from January 1, 2021, but from January 1 already 2022.
    That is, they give official permission - to continue in the same spirit to engage in lawlessness, for more than a year.
  16. Lontus
    Lontus 30 September 2020 14: 56
    +5
    why not 1999? or at least 2004?
    I'm afraid they will come up with a reason not to introduce this law.
  17. Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych 30 September 2020 14: 57
    +2
    Fresh giving, but hard to believe ...
  18. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 September 2020 15: 00
    +1
    Processed, is it after the sawmill ?! So she has been driven to China for a long time in this form, godlessly!
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 30 September 2020 15: 13
      +2
      Round timber goes to China, it is already processed on site
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 September 2020 15: 46
        +3
        Quote: _Sergey_
        Round timber goes to China, it is already processed on site

        We made an aspiration system on a sawmill, which sent 100% of the sawn timber to China every week.
  19. Alexander X
    Alexander X 30 September 2020 15: 00
    0
    Correct initiative. Jobs will appear in regions remote from the center. By the way, yesterday, while looking for a sawmill on Avito, I saw a lot of announcements about the recruitment of sawers for sawmills. Salaries are announced 40-60 tyr per month. Not bad for the Tver region.
  20. iouris
    iouris 30 September 2020 15: 00
    +7
    Is it still possible to export unprocessed fish, crabs, caviar, amber?
  21. APASUS
    APASUS 30 September 2020 15: 03
    +5
    Finally ! What happened then? Why did you decide to pay attention to the forestry industry.
    1. iouris
      iouris 30 September 2020 16: 37
      0
      Probably it happened by accident. Nothing can be done there anyway: the taiga is the law, the bear is the owner, a hundred rubles is not money ...
    2. ximkim
      ximkim 30 September 2020 18: 17
      +1
      In order for the building material made of wood to rise in the domestic market, to suppress competitors that are not capable of processing round timber, to create monopolistic factories for the production of wood products in the domestic market, to create the illusion that the Kremlin has decided to fight against zkocide.
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 30 September 2020 18: 24
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      Why did you decide to pay attention to the forestry industry.

      It is necessary to maintain the patriot's image as a zero.
  22. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 30 September 2020 15: 05
    +1
    Not tough - but the most severe, and with personal responsibility up to 10 years without the right to correspond and confiscation of the acquired by hard work.
    1. iouris
      iouris 30 September 2020 16: 38
      +2
      The cruelty of the laws is compensated by the non-binding nature of their application to their own. And the rest is the law.
  23. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 30 September 2020 15: 11
    +9
    So let's see, using the example of my city, how much the trains with raw round timber and red marks on the ends for the foreign lands from the local forest mafia shrink. Since the 2000s, this forest cosa-nostra has gone through so many such periods of struggle ... before that, for the last time in my memory, Madams Matvienko threatened the forest center a year or a year and a half ago. Wait and see. In the meantime, as a result, according to the Google map, there are bald patches around from felling and fires, wind and tornadoes (still small for now). One is GOOD, it is not getting warmer in a childish way (waiting for pineapples on the trees instead of cones).
  24. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 September 2020 15: 12
    +2
    I can't believe my eyes, is it really true? What did you think before?
  25. Mark68
    Mark68 30 September 2020 15: 20
    +4
    Finally, the obvious solution seems to be, but they have been waiting for it for so long, it is not clear why. But from the instruction of the President so far only 100 percent understands that for another 15 months it is possible to safely cut and export round timber from Russia, and whether the export of round timber will be prohibited or not, it will be clear only in 15 months ... If not for the ban on export, soon it would be necessary to introduce a maratorium on deforestation ...
  26. Alexfly
    Alexfly 30 September 2020 15: 25
    +4
    Hahahahaha, the "men of the people" have already broadcast about this for some time from the TV, but things are still there ... We will remain the gas station of the world, or we will have to move back to communism ...
  27. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 30 September 2020 15: 37
    +4
    It's funny to look at the words of Putin! laughing
    Yes, our scoundrels 1000 and 1 way will figure out how to take it out - and according to the law it will recourse crying
    Yes ... Putin is torn away from life in Russia ... torn away ... instead of helping to establish business in Russia using the same forest to organize, so that the woodworking industry can be brought to the world level, he is "engaged in prohibition" ... It would be better to say that for 5 years from January 1, 2021, he will not take a dime of taxes from the workers and owners of woodworking enterprises ... then there would be a fig who, of his own free will, took out at least one tree from Russia ... would instantly start processing. .. and so ... a loud "bunch in the air" ...
  28. Dikson
    Dikson 30 September 2020 15: 37
    +6
    ... And now, instead of Chinese villages, Chinese sawmills will appear in the taiga as loggers. moving from place to place ...))
  29. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 30 September 2020 15: 50
    +2
    Realized ...
  30. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 30 September 2020 16: 00
    +2
    Also saw and saw. The Ilimovsky taiga floor has already been cut down.
    Now, if they were forced to reclaim clear-cut areas, to plant forests, there would be no price. And so it gives the lads a head start in more than a year.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 September 2020 17: 38
      -8
      "More sawing and sawing. The Ilimov taiga has already been cut down.
      Now, if they were forced to recultivate felling sites, planting forests, there would be no price. " plus the losses due to the beetle and forest fires will last for 150 years.
      1. Aag
        Aag 30 September 2020 18: 36
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        "More sawing and sawing. The Ilimov taiga has already been cut down.
        Now, if they were forced to recultivate felling sites, planting forests, there would be no price. " plus the losses due to the beetle and forest fires will last for 150 years.

        Indeed, it is good to fantasize. The forest is not a radish, it grows longer ... For hundreds of years, only what has already been mowed will be restored. And these are rivers, and fish, and the climate ... And it was not Tumberg who sang, but the people who are among these They live they say.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 September 2020 19: 57
          -3
          And that - the entire forest will never be cut down, even half, and in the distant future, the wood will most likely begin to be replaced with another artificial material that will not be inferior in quality.
      2. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 30 September 2020 18: 58
        0
        You have a bad training manual.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 September 2020 19: 53
          -3
          And this is not a training manual - this is reality. The forest fund of Russia currently amounts to 771 million hectares, the area covered with forest with a stock of wood of 80,7 billion cubic meters per year, both for internal consumption and for export, from 150 to 190 million cubic meters are harvested. Forests of Russia cover 69% of the entire territory of the country, of which Siberia accounts for 435,8 million hectares of forest resources, which is 39%. Stocks of mature and over-mature forests in Western and Eastern Siberia are 21,5 billion cubic meters, of which coniferous - 17,4 billion cubic meters.
          1. 7,62h54
            7,62h54 30 September 2020 20: 51
            +3
            Only a servant of the people, whose ass is carried under a flashing light, can reason like this. No traffic jams, no environmental problems, no poverty. These people are only worried about inflation and the so-called fight against covid.
          2. Aag
            Aag 1 October 2020 04: 32
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            And this is not a training manual - this is reality. The forest fund of Russia currently amounts to 771 million hectares, the area covered with forest with a stock of wood of 80,7 billion cubic meters per year, both for internal consumption and for export, from 150 to 190 million cubic meters are harvested. Forests of Russia cover 69% of the entire territory of the country, of which Siberia accounts for 435,8 million hectares of forest resources, which is 39%. Stocks of mature and over-mature forests in Western and Eastern Siberia are 21,5 billion cubic meters, of which coniferous - 17,4 billion cubic meters.

            Here you can also add the official inflation figures ...
            I mean that the export figures are far behind the real ones, even experts in the media admit.
    2. Aag
      Aag 30 September 2020 18: 39
      +1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Also saw and saw. The Ilimovsky taiga floor has already been cut down.
      Now, if they were forced to reclaim clear-cut areas, to plant forests, there would be no price. And so it gives the lads a head start in more than a year.

      They have no time to reclaim. '' They raced with the Bratskys to Baikal, - a large mowing is planned ...
    3. HaByxoDaBHocep
      HaByxoDaBHocep 1 October 2020 14: 54
      -1
      The Ilimovskys, as it were, are engaged in reforestation
  31. NF68
    NF68 30 September 2020 16: 06
    +3
    It would not hurt to do something similar with oil. Even if not in full.
  32. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 30 September 2020 16: 27
    0
    Partially, they have been pressed for two years already. Earlier, in our area of ​​the city there were four forest sites, and recently the last one was closed.
    Although, I will not speak for everyone. Specifically, on the example of my neighborhood.
  33. fa2998
    fa2998 30 September 2020 16: 57
    +3
    Quote: Shurik70
    Less than a quarter of a century later.

    Do you think that something will change? There in the "places" thousands of people "feed." Not so many workers, but also cops, customs, someone from the governor, etc. Moscow is far away, all the participants are faithful companions, and there is no one to put. maybe someone will be put (small things), for the press, to fool the heads of the townsfolk. hi
  34. AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 30 September 2020 17: 03
    +4
    Well, could they pick up a normal photo for the news?
    This is a photo from Western Ukraine, Carpathian region, to be more precise.
  35. RoTTor
    RoTTor 30 September 2020 17: 14
    +3
    Among the things that were deliberately destroyed under the Yeltsin regime was the MINISTRY OF FORESTRY.
    Wood is the most valuable resource, gold is practical. life is not applicable, minerals can be nayoti, drag. metals and even diamonds are obtained artificially.
    But a tree grows to marketable condition for 80-100 years.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 September 2020 17: 41
      -5
      In the long term, in 100 years, wood of any species will be produced artificially on a commercial scale.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 30 September 2020 20: 53
        +2
        Ostap carried ...
  36. Fitter65
    Fitter65 30 September 2020 17: 27
    0
    The President demanded to reconsider the approaches to the work of customs, instructed to reform the forest control system, to extend strict supervision over the transportation, storage and processing of timber.
    We remembered when only names and memories were left of timber processing enterprises.
  37. Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 30 September 2020 17: 35
    +1
    why not from the 25th wassat .... until the 22nd the Chinese will mow the floor of Siberia at an accelerated pace !!! The mess doesn't end so soon .............
  38. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 30 September 2020 17: 59
    0
    Mdaaaa ...! What is that ...? It was necessary to go through 30 years of bourgeois power ... 20 years of Putin's rule to finally decide that their people had stolen enough; while others will have to wait ... still not enough! request
  39. impostor
    impostor 30 September 2020 18: 10
    -1
    Hydrocarbons sagged. Well, a logical decision. Why 2022? It takes time to contract volumes. And, by the way, it is worth paying attention - under whom is the minimum permissible processing.
  40. noseibon
    noseibon 30 September 2020 18: 13
    0
    finally wait
  41. 23424636
    23424636 30 September 2020 18: 19
    +2
    Until 2022, the Chinese will take out the entire taiga to zero. What is this approach! It is necessary to close from October 1 with the rates of customs duties at the price of the processed forest. Or the comrades there have an interest in zeroing the taiga together with the Chinese.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 1 October 2020 10: 21
      0
      It looks like it. Obviously, one and a half years are allotted for filling the pockets of "persons close to the emperor."
  42. Gogia
    Gogia 30 September 2020 18: 29
    +3
    Badge! Finally ... The Chinese will stop buying round timber in compositions !!! Less than 20 years ago, it came!
  43. fa2998
    fa2998 30 September 2020 19: 18
    +1
    Quote: Alex777
    They do not have such wood of their own.

    And the respite is for the Chinese. They will deliver a primitive circular and a slave will force-cut the round timber lengthwise and have already bypassed the law.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 September 2020 19: 59
      -1
      It will be possible to export only processed lumber - cut wood is not one of them.
  44. Mihail55
    Mihail55 30 September 2020 20: 12
    +1
    A year will not accelerate ??? Why warn ???
  45. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 30 September 2020 23: 48
    0
    HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  46. Esaul
    Esaul 1 October 2020 09: 54
    +2
    It remains to prohibit the export of crude oil and gas.
  47. andrew42
    andrew42 1 October 2020 10: 19
    +3
    The measure is very necessary, the implementation of the measure is stupid, so far it looks like that. Indistinct muttering that one and a half (!!!) years are necessary for someone to come out of the shadows. Firstly, practically none of the "cutters" will go out of the shadows, and to go to the "refiners" you need real effective government support for the deployment of such a business on a scale of all Russia, and not bleating about "we will support, maybe .." Secondly, it turns out that there is a year and a half "walk the flaw" - that is, hack / haul the forest while they give it. Such restrictive measures should be introduced as soon as possible, with the simultaneous extremely strict detection and investigation of already committed criminal acts of logging companies / resellers / exporters. However, what else to expect from the government of monetarists - managers. Certainly not a real result for high-quality economic development. And thirdly, if these gentlemen think that at the current level of taxation of small and medium-sized businesses, "processing trees" will grow like mushrooms in our country, then these are "apple trees on Mars".
  48. Shadow041
    Shadow041 1 October 2020 11: 12
    +3
    It should have been done for a long time. Let them build sawmills in the Russian Federation and pay taxes in the Russian Federation, enough to export logs from the Russian Federation for a pittance. Board and furniture are much more expensive.
  49. Alt 22
    Alt 22 1 October 2020 11: 37
    -1
    This is a helpful solution. One of the few useful decisions of Putin, I praise.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 1 October 2020 11: 57
      +3
      Only this should have been done a long time ago, but will done only after 2 years. If it will be.
  50. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 1 October 2020 11: 57
    +1
    Again 25, again at the wrong time.