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In Yerevan: Turkish F-16 shot down a Su-25 Armenian Air Force

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Urgent messages come from Armenia. The Armenian Air Force publishes information that an F-16 fighter of the Turkish Air Force shot down a Su-25 attack aircraft of the Armenian Air Force. According to the latest information, the Sushka pilot had no chance of surviving after being attacked by a Turkish fighter.


At the same time, it is claimed in Yerevan that the Armenian attack aircraft was in the airspace of Armenia and did not fly beyond the air borders of the republic.

However, it can be assumed that the Turkish fighter, as they say, was guarding the plane of the Armenian Air Force. And if he flew out of the airspace of Armenia even to several hundred meters, then the F-16 immediately struck.

But if the strike was delivered at the moment when the attack aircraft of the Armenian air force was in the airspace of Armenia, then the actions of the Turkish aviation can be regarded as an attack by the NATO state on a state that is part of the CSTO. In any case, Ankara's actions only add fuel to the flames of the conflict in the South Caucasus.

According to the latest information, the Turkish Air Force fighter took off not from the Turkish airfield, but from the Ganja airfield in the Republic of Azerbaijan. This is proof of the lie of the Turkish side, which tried to refute the data on the transfer of its fighters to Azerbaijan the day before.

It is known that, along with the F-16 of the Turkish Air Force, several attack drones also took off into the air.

It is clarified that the attack on the Su-25 of the Armenian Air Force was carried out at an altitude of more than 8 thousand meters.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of Armenia stated that they were ready to use a "powerful weapon long-range "if Turkey uses its military aircraft to intervene in the conflict.

Meanwhile, experts have suggested that it is important for certain forces to provoke Russia's involvement in this conflict in the Transcaucasus at any cost.

Turkey and Azerbaijan have not yet officially commented on the reports of the Armenian side about the Su-25.
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  1. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 29 September 2020 17: 18
    49
    God rest the soul of the deceased war ... The handwriting of Turkish dogs!
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 29 September 2020 17: 23
      23
      The plane of a NATO member state shot down the plane of the CSTO member state.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 29 September 2020 17: 26
        61
        Quote: military_cat
        The plane of a NATO member state shot down the plane of the CSTO member state.

        Here a few years ago, a plane of a NATO member country shot down a Russian plane and nothing, got off with tomatoes
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 29 September 2020 17: 32
          -17 qualifying.
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Here a few years ago, a plane of a NATO member country shot down a Russian plane and nothing, got off with tomatoes

          It's not evening yet. And something tells me that this is the very case when the debt will be red in payment. And for some reason I think that the favor will be given.
          If the Turks got into it, then they untied the hands of the Russian Federation. And in this case, if the Russian Federation intervenes, neither the Turks and the Azeybardjans will get anything at all.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 29 September 2020 17: 34
            -15 qualifying.
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Here a few years ago, a plane of a NATO member country shot down a Russian plane and nothing, got off with tomatoes

            It's not evening yet. And something tells me that this is the very case when the debt will be red in payment. And for some reason I think that the favor will be given.
            If the Turks got into it, then they untied the hands of the Russian Federation. And in this case, if the Russian Federation intervenes, neither the Turks and the Azeybardjans will get anything at all.

            If the Russian Federation intervenes, then the NATO countries will also stand up, sanctions will fly and the nord stream will finally drown, and this is at best. In the worst case ... I think it is not worth comparing the economy and the army of the Russian Federation and NATO, in the confrontation with non-nuclear weapons we do not have much.

            Although it may happen that the Turks are sent to hell, they have a lot of graters with the French and Greeks
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 29 September 2020 17: 48
              14
              Quote: Vol4ara
              If the Russian Federation stands up, then the NATO countries will also stand up

              Because of the moron-sultan, not a single country will get involved in a military conflict with the Russian Federation, where the result is not at all obvious.
              Quote: Vol4ara
              In the worst case ... I think it is not worth comparing the economy and the army of the Russian Federation and NATO, in the confrontation with non-nuclear weapons we do not have a lot.

              Read the NEW DEFENSE DOCTRINE of the Russian Federation. There are about allies and about what will happen if they decide to climb up to us ... yeah ..
              Here are a few points.
              2. Based on the analysis of military dangers and military threats to the Russian Federation and the interests of its allies, the Military Doctrine formulates the main provisions of military policy and military-economic support for the defense of the state.

              5. The Military Doctrine reflects the commitment of the Russian Federation to use military measures to protect the national interests of the country and the interests of its allies only after the exhaustion of the possibilities of using political, diplomatic, legal, economic, informational and other non-violent instruments.

              h) large-scale war - a war between coalitions of states or the largest states of the world community, in which the parties pursue radical military-political goals. A large-scale war can be the result of an escalation of an armed conflict, a local or regional war involving a significant number of states from different regions of the world. This war will require the mobilization of all available material resources and spiritual forces of the participating States;

              10. Many regional conflicts remain unresolved. Tendencies towards their forceful resolution persist, including in the regions bordering on the Russian Federation. The existing architecture (system) of international security does not provide equal security for all states.

              e) territorial claims against the Russian Federation and its allies, interference in their internal affairs;

              h) the use of military force in the territories of states adjacent to the Russian Federation and its allies, in violation of the Charter of the United Nations (UN) and other norms of international law;

              k) the presence (emergence) of hotbeds of interethnic and interfaith tensions, the activities of international armed radical groups, foreign private military companies in areas adjacent to the state border of the Russian Federation and the borders of its allies, as well as the presence of territorial contradictions, the growth of separatism and extremism in certain regions of the world ;

              22. The Russian Federation considers it legitimate to use the Armed Forces, other troops and bodies to repel aggression against it and (or) its allies, maintain (restore) peace by decision of the UN Security Council, other collective security structures, and also to ensure the protection of its citizens the borders of the Russian Federation, in accordance with generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation.

              24. The Russian Federation considers an armed attack on a member state of the Union State or any actions with the use of military force against it as an act of aggression against the Union State and will take retaliatory measures.

              25. The Russian Federation considers an armed attack on a CSTO member state as an aggression against all CSTO member states and in this case will take measures in accordance with the Collective Security Treaty
              .

              24. The Russian Federation considers an armed attack on a state party to the Union State or any action with the use of military force against it as an act of aggression against the Union State and will carry out retaliatory measures.

              25. The Russian Federation regards an armed attack on a CSTO member state as an aggression against all CSTO member states and in this case will take measures in accordance with the Collective Security Treaty.

              26. In the framework of the implementation of strategic deterrence measures of a power nature, the Russian Federation envisages the use of high-precision weapons.

              27. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.

              Questions?
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 30 September 2020 00: 10
                -1
                Quote: NEXUS
                Questions?


                Sure. When is the evening? And what makes you think that he will be?
            2. 1976AG
              1976AG 29 September 2020 17: 51
              +9
              If Iskander destroys the Ganja airbase, then NATO will not be harnessed to Turkey.
            3. PSih2097
              PSih2097 29 September 2020 18: 49
              +2
              Quote: Vol4ara
              then NATO countries will also join

              NATO only in the event of an attack on the country, the participant intervenes, but if independently, then alas ... Art. 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty.
              Released in Washington, DC, April 4, 1949
            4. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 30 September 2020 14: 38
              0
              Quote: Vol4ara
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Vol4ara
              Here a few years ago, a plane of a NATO member country shot down a Russian plane and nothing, got off with tomatoes

              It's not evening yet. And something tells me that this is the very case when the debt will be red in payment. And for some reason I think that the favor will be given.
              If the Turks got into it, then they untied the hands of the Russian Federation. And in this case, if the Russian Federation intervenes, neither the Turks and the Azeybardjans will get anything at all.

              If the Russian Federation intervenes, then the NATO countries will also stand up, sanctions will fly and the nord stream will finally drown, and this is at best. In the worst case ... I think it is not worth comparing the economy and the army of the Russian Federation and NATO, in the confrontation with non-nuclear weapons we do not have much.

              Although it may happen that the Turks are sent to hell, they have a lot of graters with the French and Greeks


              Sanctions will fly in any case and will continue with or without reason. Someone doubts this?
          2. sergo
            sergo 29 September 2020 17: 43
            11
            The Russian Federation cannot stand up for itself, what kind of Armenia is there.
            1. Rushnairfors
              Rushnairfors 29 September 2020 18: 13
              11
              Sergo, are you sure about that? The Russian people and their army have always been able to stand up for themselves, but the authorities in our country were not always able to apply this skill correctly (in time).
              1. sergo
                sergo 29 September 2020 18: 31
                12
                I mean at the present stage of history. If officials and oligarchs have wives, children and real estate in the west, then no one will answer anything. Not for this they had been dragging to the west for so many years everything that was stolen by back-breaking labor.
                1. Rushnairfors
                  Rushnairfors 29 September 2020 18: 40
                  +5
                  This is another question, but the fact remains: there will be an order - we will break it so that it will not seem a little.
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 29 September 2020 20: 17
                  0
                  Quote: sergo
                  I mean at the present stage of history

                  Tell this to those who fought in Chechnya, South Ossetia, Syria in the post-Soviet period.
                3. Zum
                  Zum 30 September 2020 14: 17
                  -1
                  That's right! If earlier there was the Sovereign Emperor, the guardian of the Russian Land, after the death of the Empire, such was I.V. Stalin ... a true Russian nationalist and guardian of the interests of the state, then today there are none ... there is only one personal interest ... ... other motivation ... alas, it has sunk into summer ...
                4. meandr51
                  meandr51 30 September 2020 22: 41
                  +1
                  For some reason, in 2008 this principle did not work.
            2. PSih2097
              PSih2097 29 September 2020 18: 53
              +4
              Quote: sergo
              The Russian Federation cannot stand up for itself, what kind of Armenia is there.

              This does not mean "the sickness of the army," it means "the sickness of politicians" and their gangs that keep "honestly grabbed" in countries that are potential targets for the strategic nuclear forces ...
            3. Piramidon
              Piramidon 29 September 2020 20: 10
              -3
              Quote: sergo
              RF cannot stand up for itself

              Have you already prepared the white flag? Thank God, our people are not like you "khataskrayniks" and cowards.
              1. sergo
                sergo 29 September 2020 20: 53
                +2
                I'm not going to die for this power. There will be no wars comparable in scale to the Second World War. So who are you going to protect? We cannot defend ourselves from our government, we swallow everything in silence, we will stir in the kitchen and continue to plow for the benefit of oligarchs and officials.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 29 September 2020 20: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: sergo
                  I'm not going to die for this power.

                  Are power and homeland the same concepts for you?
                2. meandr51
                  meandr51 30 September 2020 22: 43
                  0
                  Is that why you all wrote? Don't worry: 1) nothing depends on you; 2) You will not be asked whether you want to fight or not.
                  1. sergo
                    sergo 1 October 2020 17: 58
                    0
                    Don't worry, I'm not fit for service. Therefore, you will go to die.
                    1. meandr51
                      meandr51 1 October 2020 19: 11
                      0
                      How is it unusable? Do you have an index finger? So it is good! And I go there anyway :) So I'm not worried at all ...
        2. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 29 September 2020 17: 35
          0
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Quote: military_cat
          The plane of a NATO member state shot down the plane of the CSTO member state.

          Here a few years ago, a plane of a NATO member country shot down a Russian plane and nothing, got off with tomatoes

          But revenge was merciless !!!
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 29 September 2020 18: 54
            +3
            Quote: Sunflower
            But revenge was merciless !!!

            Now, if two more straits had been pierced, I would agree with you, but so ... negative
        3. COJIDAT
          COJIDAT 29 September 2020 17: 37
          -1
          Done))
        4. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 29 September 2020 17: 42
          -6
          And then the head of the country - a NATO member, after he was almost thrown off, crawled on his knees to the President of the Russian Federation.
        5. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 29 September 2020 17: 52
          +3
          Yeah, 11 green lards + incomprehensible Kurds brought in ATGMs and confused several leopards, and then they shot down Super Cobra from the left MANPADS ... and then they got bored and in the capital they rushed a bus with a couple of dozen pilots, which they hadn't practiced before and after ... so yes, only tomatoes
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 29 September 2020 18: 04
            +5
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            Yeah, 11 green lards + incomprehensible Kurds brought in ATGMs and confused several leopards, and then they shot down Super Cobra from the left MANPADS ... and then they got bored and in the capital they rushed a bus with a couple of dozen pilots, which they hadn't practiced before and after ... so yes, only tomatoes

            This is called speculation. You really want to believe that this is the work of the intelligence of the Russian Federation, but this does not mean that this is the work of their hands
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 29 September 2020 18: 16
              +1
              laughing um .. these are just the facts-11 lard-sum, which the Turks themselves voiced as damage from the sanctions, regarding the losses in equipment and ls, you can't tell why the Kurds, neither before nor after, did not use similar approaches and methods against the Turks?
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 29 September 2020 18: 19
                -2
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                laughing um .. these are just the facts-11 lard-sum, which the Turks themselves voiced as damage from the sanctions, regarding the losses in equipment and ls, you can't tell why the Kurds, neither before nor after, did not use similar approaches and methods against the Turks?

                Well, I agree with the sanctions. But this is, the life of a pilot cannot be bought or sold + this is serious reputational damage.
                Regarding the actions of the Kurds - I am not a Kurd, ask the Kurds
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 29 September 2020 18: 24
                  +2
                  wink a simple question ... if our people wanted to bite the Turks a little ... would they have voiced it on all channels in the style of "we rushed the Turkish military as terrorists"? Or did they quietly report through diplomatic channels that they were surprised by the actions of the Kurdish partisans? You may not believe it, but I personally think that there are too many coincidences within six months after the downed plane, that then in several years it did not accumulate so much ..
            2. Omskgasmyas
              Omskgasmyas 29 September 2020 18: 27
              +5
              And buoy with them, with our hands. They stayed clean. And the pilots were dead. An accident, however.
          2. My doctor
            My doctor 29 September 2020 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            Yeah, 11 green lards + incomprehensible Kurds brought in ATGMs and confused several leopards, and then they shot down Super Cobra from the left MANPADS ... and then they got bored and in the capital they rushed a bus with a couple of dozen pilots, which they hadn't practiced before and after ... so yes, only tomatoes

            If what you write is really so, then I think it is not by concept. It's as if you were given a piece of cabbage soup, and in revenge you persuaded his neighbor from above to "flood" and you are proud of it.
        6. Omskgasmyas
          Omskgasmyas 29 September 2020 18: 25
          +1
          Among the tomatoes were 24 Turkish Air Force pilots in the 200 category, and another 4 in the 300 category. But that doesn't mean anything to you.
        7. frei67
          frei67 29 September 2020 18: 51
          +3
          according to Turkish data, tomatoes cost from 20 to 40 billion Baku
        8. tagil
          tagil 29 September 2020 23: 22
          +3
          Here a few years ago, a plane of a NATO member country shot down a Russian plane and nothing, got off with tomatoes
          I certainly understand that it is necessary to somehow pour mud over the country and the tomatoes for being "forgiven" and how people like you say swallowed the insult right? But if you don’t know, then I will remind you that after our plane was shot down, suddenly in Turkey, 28 Turks died in a terrorist attack, 22 of them were military pilots. But this is not the case, yes, it was necessary to destroy the Turkish airfield, and you would have watched and commented on it all on TV with popcorn. That would be a response, right?
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 30 September 2020 10: 49
            -3
            Quote: Tagil
            Here a few years ago, a plane of a NATO member country shot down a Russian plane and nothing, got off with tomatoes
            I certainly understand that it is necessary to somehow pour mud over the country and the tomatoes for being "forgiven" and how people like you say swallowed the insult right? But if you don’t know, then I will remind you that after our plane was shot down, suddenly in Turkey, 28 Turks died in a terrorist attack, 22 of them were military pilots. But this is not the case, yes, it was necessary to destroy the Turkish airfield, and you would have watched and commented on it all on TV with popcorn. That would be a response, right?

            Well, they died in a terrorist attack. And my neighbor died, probably Trump is to blame.
            Speculation, without facts your words are wind
            1. tagil
              tagil 30 September 2020 11: 57
              +2
              Well, sorry that no one there saw Winnie the Pooh with a machine gun, and he did not shout in pure Russian - "for a patch". I have never heard a stupider answer.
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 30 September 2020 13: 21
                -3
                Quote: Tagil
                Well, sorry that no one there saw Winnie the Pooh with a machine gun, and he did not shout in pure Russian - "for a patch". I have never heard a stupider answer.

                I have never seen more stupid attempts to pull an owl onto a globe? Twin towers 11.09 not a big accident? Well, we have a lot of reasons to do this.
                1. tagil
                  tagil 30 September 2020 16: 30
                  +3
                  Well, we have a lot of reasons to do this.
                  We know that Russia is to blame, but we cannot show the proof, because they are secret. I don't even know what to say to you. Read what is a terrorist act and what is sabotage, and at the same time why reconnaissance and sabotage operations and their conduct are kept secret. 22 Turkish military pilots were destroyed after the attack on our plane, what does not suit you? That Russia does not shout like a bazaar granny about this at every corner ??? Well, then you absolutely, how to put it mildly, do not understand political and military affairs. But those who have eyes and ears understood everything perfectly.
                  1. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 1 October 2020 16: 18
                    -1
                    Quote: Tagil
                    Well, we have a lot of reasons to do this.
                    We know that Russia is to blame, but we cannot show the proof, because they are secret. I don't even know what to say to you. Read what is a terrorist act and what is sabotage, and at the same time why reconnaissance and sabotage operations and their conduct are kept secret. 22 Turkish military pilots were destroyed after the attack on our plane, what does not suit you? That Russia does not shout like a bazaar granny about this at every corner ??? Well, then you absolutely, how to put it mildly, do not understand political and military affairs. But those who have eyes and ears understood everything perfectly.

                    These pilots could calmly slam the Kurds without thinking about Russia, and you cannot prove the opposite, because you have no facts
                    1. meandr51
                      meandr51 1 October 2020 19: 24
                      0
                      This is what is called "clean work"! And every time there will be a new "accident" ...
                      1. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 1 October 2020 20: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: meandr51
                        This is what is called "clean work"! And every time there will be a new "accident" ...

                        It turns out that the Americans drowned Kursk, but the FSB blew up the houses? Clean work. These are the conclusions from your logic of thinking by conjectures
            2. Horon
              Horon 1 October 2020 14: 46
              0
              So what are you? Are you proposing to go to war against the Turks? I hope you will be the first to queue at the military registration and enlistment office and ask to be sure to be on the front line! But why wait? Syria awaits a hero! There you can get even with the Turks - personally. What is the hated Russian government with its decisions for you, speak up personally for the honor of your homeland without any diplomatic bowing! Or are you always ready to "stand behind your backs!" (c)?
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 29 September 2020 17: 28
        -4
        Quote: military_cat
        The plane of a NATO member state shot down the plane of the CSTO member state.

        Or someone will rub it off .. or a war .. I think the tomatoes will still take over ..
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 September 2020 17: 38
          +8
          Quote: Svarog
          Or someone will rub it off ..

          And that Russia should fight for the lands squeezed from Azerbaijan by Armenia to the last Russian soldier?
          And can you yourself, dear, show an example? A volunteer ... Not?
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 29 September 2020 17: 47
            0
            Quote: Spade
            And that Russia should fight for the lands squeezed from Azerbaijan by Armenia to the last Russian soldier?

            And if this is how they wrote it here?
            But if the strike was delivered at the moment when the attack aircraft of the Armenian air force was in the airspace of Armenia, then the actions of the Turkish aviation can be regarded as an attack by the NATO state on the state that is part of the CSTO.

            ??
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 September 2020 17: 50
              +7
              Quote: Tank Hard
              And if this is how they wrote it here?

              Naturally there.
              The Armenians are not at all opposed to the Russian Vanya's death for what they have wrung out.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 29 September 2020 17: 51
                +1
                What about the CSTO then?
                1. My doctor
                  My doctor 29 September 2020 18: 45
                  +5
                  [
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  What about the CSTO then?

                  Russia this year has already helped a member of the ODGB (specifically Minsk). The limit for 2020 has been reached. yes
                2. Svarog
                  Svarog 29 September 2020 19: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  What about the CSTO then?

                  Lopatov has double standards .. How fried it smells .. why don't we Armenians .. There is an agreement and it must be observed otherwise no state will respect us .. And if the Armenians are so syakie, then what for in the CSTO took ..
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 29 September 2020 19: 57
                    +4
                    Quote: Svarog
                    ... How fried it smelled .. what nafig us Armenians.

                    Here, in the next branch, one Armenian woman directly says that we don't care for the Russians, we will decide everything ourselves, and the Russians still have to, they always throw Armenia. What are the standards then? And Lopatov expresses his opinion, moreover, many agree with him. request
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 29 September 2020 20: 02
                      -2
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Quote: Svarog
                      ... How fried it smelled .. what nafig us Armenians.

                      Here, in the next branch, one Armenian woman directly says that we don't care for the Russians, we will decide everything ourselves, and the Russians still have to, they always throw Armenia. What are the standards then? And Lopatov expresses his opinion, moreover, many agree with him. request

                      So while one Armenian says, and when we throw Armenians ... the whole world will laugh at both the CSTO and Russia ..
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 29 September 2020 20: 05
                        +3
                        Quote: Svarog
                        So while one Armenian woman says, and when we throw Armenians ... the whole world will laugh at both the CSTO and Russia

                        So far, there is no evidence of an attack on Armenia, neither by Turkey nor Azerbaijan. Only rumors. And rumors are not a serious thing. request
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 29 September 2020 20: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: Svarog
                        So while one Armenian woman says, and when we throw Armenians ... the whole world will laugh at both the CSTO and Russia

                        So far, there is no evidence of an attack on Armenia, neither by Turkey nor Azerbaijan. Only rumors. And rumors are not a serious thing. request

                        Well, we don't make serious decisions here. laughing
                      3. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 29 September 2020 20: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Svarog

                        Well, we don't make serious decisions here.

                        Or maybe it's good that we don't accept it.
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      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 29 September 2020 17: 52
        +3
        Quote: Spade
        A volunteer ... Not?

        But what is there - a local hamster at the first nix will rush into the distance and inward. yes
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 September 2020 18: 36
          +5
          Quote: Paranoid50
          But what is there - a local hamster at the first nix will rush into the distance and inward.

          That's right.
          But they are always ready to fight to the last soldier, sir.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 29 September 2020 18: 47
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            That's right.
            But they are always ready to fight to the last soldier, sir.

            There, in a neighboring branch, an Armenian woman (as I understand it, at least) threw such a bad thing towards Russia that there are no words. I'm tired of it.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 September 2020 18: 01
        +5
        Quote: Spade
        And that Russia should fight for the lands squeezed from Azerbaijan by Armenia to the last Russian soldier?
        And can you yourself, dear, show an example? A volunteer ... Not?

        Precisely because WHILE the mess has a local appearance, the Russian Federation will not climb. As soon as all this will result in a full-scale war, both the Turks and the Iranians will enter and God knows who else, including Ishil and Alkaida, then the Russian Federation, bound by the CSTO treaty MUST intervene. This is all spelled out in the DEFENSE DOCTRINE of our country. No bubbles, no fiction and no horses in a vacuum.
        1. halpat
          halpat 29 September 2020 18: 28
          -1
          WHILE the mess has a local appearance, the Russian Federation will not climb. As soon as all this will result in a full-scale war ... then the Russian Federation ...

          explain the terms, I did not understand.
          1. local mess.
          2. full-scale war.

          And another question: is this a full-scale war for Armenia and Azerbaijan now?
          Both states have a gulkin nose, the distance from Baku to Gyumri is 540 km. This is from the Caspian Sea to Turkey.
  2. Charik
    Charik 29 September 2020 18: 56
    -1
    and what will it be? -khe-khe I ask you to treat with understanding, we express our concerns, this is our authority
  • figwam
    figwam 29 September 2020 17: 24
    +6
    Well, everything has begun ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 29 September 2020 17: 30
      +3
      Quote: figvam
      Well, everything has begun ...




      According to data from Boris Rozhin (Colonel Cassad), the Armenian Ministry of Defense reports that a Turkish F-16 fighter flying from the Ganja airbase shot down an Armenian Su-25. The Armenian pilot was killed. The car was shot down in the airspace of Armenia.
      In fact, this is already an open attack by Turkey on Armenia, which is receiving a formal reason to apply to the CSTO for protection. De facto, NATO member countries attacked a CSTO member country.
      It is also worth noting that Iran is transferring troops to the border with Azerbaijan.

      Separately, it is necessary to note reports of another unidentified plane, which was allegedly shot down Iranian air defense systems in East Azerbaijan.
      "We have received reports of a plane of unknown origin shot down by the Iranian Air Defense Forces. It was found in East Azarbaijan Province."
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 29 September 2020 17: 52
        +3
        According to the text that you posted, a Turkish F-16 was shot down and its pilot was killed. It is written very clumsily.
        1. Beby
          Beby 29 September 2020 18: 42
          +4
          Yes, it's not that clumsy - illiterate!
          Fighter (fighter), from the first and third paragraphs, to the 4th paragraph became a destroyder (destroyer).
          The aircraft is "injured" (injured as a living organism), not "damaged" (damaged) ...
          Well, yes, the text says that it was the F-16 that was "wounded".
          It looks like a clumsy machine translation of very low quality.
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 30 September 2020 07: 42
          +3
          Quote: dzvero
          It is written very clumsily.

          What did you expect from auto-translation с Armenian on English, and then also on Russian belay ?
    2. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 29 September 2020 17: 46
      +2
      Well, everything has begun ...

      There it "started" has been in full swing for several days. Data on Azerbaijani losses are underestimated.
      A close friend from a small town in the north of Azerbaijan told me today that 69 martyrs have been brought to them today. And from the city, accompanied by the police, 4 buses with volunteers departed.
      I suspect that this is happening throughout Azerbaijan and Armenia.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 29 September 2020 17: 32
    23
    To mobilize the Moscow Armenians into the combat zone.
    1. BIABIA
      BIABIA 29 September 2020 17: 44
      16
      In general, everyone in Russia. And Azerbaijanis too. Everyone!
  • ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 29 September 2020 17: 47
    +7
    And where is the US ally of the Armenians? Pashinyan approached them so confidently. The Armenians are cunning and dragging Russia into the conflict, hinting that our air defense systems are obliged to cover them ((((You shouldn't do this, let themselves kill each other, otherwise there was a lot of ambition.
  • Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 29 September 2020 18: 12
    +1
    It is not clear yet, Turkey and Azerbaijan deny this information.
    "The statements about this are completely wrong," said Fahrettin Altun, head of the communications department of the Turkish presidential administration.

    Colonel Vagif Dargahli, head of the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry, stated that "the information of the Armenian media is a lie and another fantasy of the Armenian military propaganda machine."
  • Svarog
    Svarog 29 September 2020 17: 18
    +1
    I say Erdogash is not adequate .. So it rushed .. again tomatoes?
    1. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 29 September 2020 17: 21
      +1
      I think cucumbers now
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 29 September 2020 17: 22
      +7
      Quote: Trapp1st
      Turkish dogs handwriting!


      it can be assumed that the Turkish fighter, as they say, was guarding the plane of the Armenian Air Force. And if he flew outside the airspace of Armenia, then the F-16 immediately struck.


      "Painting", practically 1: 1 with the history of the Russian Su-24 shot down by the Turks. The handwriting is the same ...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 29 September 2020 17: 23
        +3
        Quote: Insurgent
        "Painting", practically 1: 1 with the history of the Russian Su-24 shot down by the Turks. The handwriting is the same ...

        About that and speech .. it unbinds impunity ..
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 September 2020 17: 23
      -4
      Quote: Svarog
      I say Erdogash is not adequate.

      Is Soros better?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 29 September 2020 17: 24
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Svarog
        I say Erdogash is not adequate.

        Is Soros better?

        What does Soros have to do with it?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 September 2020 17: 25
          +6
          Quote: Svarog
          What does Soros have to do with it?

          Hello, here you are ... laughing
          And who rules Armenia now?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 29 September 2020 17: 26
            -1
            Quote: Spade
            And who rules Armenia now?

            The same question can be attributed to Russia .. And Armenia is a member of the CSTO and it was attacked ..
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 September 2020 17: 40
              10
              Quote: Svarog
              And Armenia is a member of the CSTO and it was attacked ..

              It would be worth remembering when the Russian channels in Armenia were closed. Or when the Armenians participated in NATO exercises ...
              1. svoit
                svoit 29 September 2020 18: 59
                0
                And who was unhappy with this? Maybe there were some sanctions?
              2. Svarog
                Svarog 29 September 2020 19: 57
                -1
                Quote: Spade
                Quote: Svarog
                And Armenia is a member of the CSTO and it was attacked ..

                It would be worth remembering when the Russian channels in Armenia were closed. Or when the Armenians participated in NATO exercises ...

                Lopatov, why didn't they ask Armenia from the CSTO .. ​​Or when it is beneficial to be friends, and when not, let them go through the forest?
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 29 September 2020 17: 38
        20
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Svarog
        I say Erdogash is not adequate.

        Is Soros better?

        Soros is the rarest scum. It is a pity that this capo was not hung on a lamppost at the time.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 September 2020 17: 47
          +6
          Exactly.
          Unsurprisingly, outbreaks of violence in Karabakh have become so frequent ....

          By the way, Soros rules not only Armenia, but also the press
          So I wouldn't be surprised if this news is fake.
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 29 September 2020 17: 53
          +2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Soros is the rarest scum.

          Tellingly, they hate him the most in historical Hungary. am
        3. Spike Javelin Touvich
          Spike Javelin Touvich 29 September 2020 17: 54
          -1
          did I miss something?!!

          do not share the link I would like to read.
        4. Doliva63
          Doliva63 29 September 2020 18: 07
          +1
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Svarog
          I say Erdogash is not adequate.

          Is Soros better?

          Soros is the rarest scum. It is a pity that this capo was not hung on a lamppost at the time.

          Soros is an example of "American Wei" and the personification of "Western values"! How can you ?! bully
        5. Tank hard
          Tank hard 29 September 2020 18: 56
          0
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Soros is the rarest scum. It is a pity that this capo was not hung on a lamppost at the time.

          I'll put a bold plus here.
        6. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 30 September 2020 00: 18
          -1
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          It's a pity that this capo was not hung on a lamppost


          15 year old capo?
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 30 September 2020 06: 25
            +3
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            It's a pity that this capo was not hung on a lamppost


            15 year old capo?

            His actions are quite clear-cut.
    4. Rostislav
      Rostislav 29 September 2020 18: 04
      +2
      So not our plane was shot down, Armenian. They will impose sanctions on Turkey.
      And in order to help Russia and "harness", as some were concerned here, Armenia must first apply for help itself. And after that Russia will think about how to react. At the same time, it will remind Yerevan of Russophobic slogans.
    5. Redline
      Redline 29 September 2020 18: 09
      -4
      Yes, Tomatoes and Natasha will be on the list of sanctions laughing
  • Dave36
    Dave36 29 September 2020 17: 18
    -13 qualifying.
    Vovka burst into tears, evoked memories and pamidors ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 29 September 2020 17: 28
      +4
      And the Turks, probably, remembered about the lost bus with the pilots of their Air Force. Call your friends Vovka and Petka.
      1. Dave36
        Dave36 29 September 2020 17: 46
        -1
        These are exclusively your fantasies about buses ...
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 29 September 2020 17: 19
    +2
    How predictable it is. And how Armenia needs it. Wow, how exciting this news is. Eh.
    There is a very large US embassy in Yerevan, very large for this news to be taken seriously.wink
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 17: 58
      -1
      Quote: Observer2014
      There is a very large US embassy in Yerevan.

      what?
  • Ela myaushkina
    Ela myaushkina 29 September 2020 17: 20
    0
    Does Russia now have a reason to intervene within the framework of the union agreement?

    But that's why the Turks are running ahead of the locomotive and spoil everything, both for themselves and for Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan certainly did not need such an ally's move. Now everything will go down the drain ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 September 2020 17: 21
      +8
      The Turks officially said yesterday that they would help Azerbaijan not only with words, but also with military force, if necessary. They are trying to turn on the drone.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 17: 56
        0
        and the Armenians said the day before yesterday that if the Turks use the F-16, then Armenia will answer with the following:
        MOSCOW, September 28 - RIA Novosti. Yerevan will use Iskanders if Turkey starts using F-16 aircraft in Nagorno-Karabakh, meanwhile there are enough air defense systems in service to eliminate Turkish drones, Armenian Ambassador to Russia Vardan Toganyan told RIA Novosti.

        Apply?
    2. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 29 September 2020 17: 25
      +6
      do you seriously think that Putin will interfere?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 September 2020 17: 33
        0
        These are purely personal territorial problems of the two neighboring countries - Russia will not get involved itself, let them solve their problems.
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 29 September 2020 17: 42
          +1
          These are purely personal territorial problems of two neighboring countries.
          An attack by a NATO country on a CSTO member? Oh well
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 18: 22
            +1
            Quote: Trapp1st
            An attack by a NATO country on a CSTO member? Oh well

            except for the words of the Armenians there is nothing. Personally, I would wait for the statement of our Ministry of Defense, and then draw conclusions.
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 29 September 2020 18: 25
              0
              would wait for the statement of our Ministry of Defense
              Let's wait, or confirm or not. What if first?
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 18: 35
                0
                Quote: Trapp1st
                What if first?

                nothing. Concerns, consultations, statements, peacemaking efforts. Article 3 of the CSTO Charter - priority is given to political means.
              2. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 30 September 2020 06: 28
                -2
                let's think, but Russian soldiers will not go to war
        2. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 29 September 2020 17: 51
          +4
          If Russia does not get involved in the bloody massacre that is taking place on its borders, then, excuse me, what international authority can Russia claim?
          Or we are a world power or bullshit. We cannot be the golden mean both historically and geographically.
        3. rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 29 September 2020 17: 54
          -1
          so shot down over the territory of Armenia, it means aggression against a member of the CSTO
        4. svoit
          svoit 29 September 2020 19: 04
          0
          Donbass, Yu. Ossetia, Abkhazia, Pridnestrovie
          I think in that order ...
        5. Piramidon
          Piramidon 29 September 2020 20: 32
          -1
          Quote: Vadim237
          These are purely personal territorial problems. two neighboring countries

          So let the Armenians sort it out with the Azerbaijanis, but the Turks stuck there, and this is the third country that has nothing to do with the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh ..
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 18: 03
      0
      Quote: Ela Myaushkina
      Azerbaijan certainly did not need such an ally's move.

      let it be to you) What moves can you expect, taking the paranoid as your allies?
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 29 September 2020 17: 20
    11
    Turks are jackals of Asia, like the Poles of Europe
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 18: 04
      +1
      Quote: rotkiv04
      Turks are jackals of Asia, like the Poles of Europe

      well, in general, yes. And swells them with their own greatness equally.
    2. DEVIL LIFE`S
      DEVIL LIFE`S 29 September 2020 19: 14
      0
      Perhaps, only this difficult game will turn out, while Russia is watching, Iran can strengthen its positions in Armenia
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 29 September 2020 17: 23
    10
    However, it can be assumed that the Turkish fighter, as they say, was guarding the plane of the Armenian Air Force.

    I have one deja-vu with "guard, Turkish F-16"?
    In my opinion, a very good case was drawn to give a favor to the Turks, and with interest. Sticking a couple of three of their vaunted and very mean F-16 mugs into the ground.
    1. Siberian 66
      Siberian 66 29 September 2020 17: 29
      +4
      Respected. the straits will close instantly. In general, I think that the whole batch is due to them. They are looking for an excuse for us again in the back, so to speak. Any of our reactions in the form of a response and not statements on duty - and that's it, the Syrian group is cut off.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 29 September 2020 17: 30
        -2
        Quote: Sibiryak 66
        and that's it, the Syrian group is cut off.

        If there was political will and the strait could be expanded ... at the same time showing that it is not so ...
        1. Siberian 66
          Siberian 66 29 September 2020 17: 33
          +2
          Even the great Union did not do it. I was preparing simply - simply to land a couple of airborne divisions)
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 29 September 2020 18: 22
            +1
            Quote: Siberian 66
            Even the great Union did not do it. I was preparing simply - simply to land a couple of airborne divisions)

            The Union had only 1 airborne division in ZakVO. There was another 1 across the sea from Turkey, but it was oriented towards a different theater of operations. So the main tasks lay with the troops of the district, which were quite ready for this.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 29 September 2020 17: 34
        +2
        Quote: Sibiryak 66
        the straits will close instantly

        As they close, they will open ...
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 September 2020 17: 37
        -7
        Quote: Sibiryak 66
        Respected. the straits will close instantly.

        Dear, you can put the Turks on the ass easily and simply by explaining to them that the Iskander and Caliber missiles carry YaBZ.
        As for the straits ... and I'm wondering what Turkey will do to prevent our warships from going through, packed with missiles to the top?
        Quote: Sibiryak 66
        Any of our reactions in the form of a response and not statements on duty - and that's it, the Syrian group is cut off.

        You are mistaken. All this turmoil around Karabakh, I think, is due to the fact that Putin unambiguously said that he was going to return the Russian lands that the republics seized upon exiting. But where the lands are, there is the whole republic ... and by example BSSR, there is a suspicion that Putin is not joking.
      4. svoit
        svoit 29 September 2020 19: 09
        -1
        What does our reaction have to do with it? As always, we will express "deep regret", and it will be the deeper, the more Turkish planes are shot down.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 29 September 2020 17: 32
      +5
      Quote: NEXUS
      Sticking a couple of three of their vaunted and very vile F-16 mugs into the ground.


      Have you already signed up to volunteer? On the way to Armenia, I hope you write this post? And it’s somehow strange to call for war while on a soft sofa.
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 17: 41
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      In my opinion, a very good case was drawn to give a favor to the Turks

      Are you gushing with couch enthusiasm?
    4. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 30 September 2020 06: 57
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Sticking a couple of three of their vaunted and very dastardly F-16

      Yes, you can not only F-16, any Turkish military + hunt for drones and not only near the borders of Armenia ..
  • uranium
    uranium 29 September 2020 17: 24
    -14 qualifying.
    The Armenians are making fakes to drag Russia into the war. laughing
  • nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 29 September 2020 17: 24
    +7
    The Turks have already lost their shores. Everything is according to the scenario of Syria as with our Su 24. Why did they save this Erdogan from the gallows? He did not give a damn about everyone.
    1. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 29 September 2020 18: 16
      -1
      and this is a question for the GDP, its HPP is evidently failed again
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 September 2020 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: nikolas 83
      Why did they save this Erdogan from the gallows

      There they have a queue for the sultanhood and it is not a fact that the next one will be better than Erdogan.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 29 September 2020 17: 24
    +6
    We are waiting for the report on the Iskander strike
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 September 2020 17: 28
      +1
      Well, Polonaise will fly back as a response, even to Baku, even to the nuclear power plant (they already threatened yesterday).

      Here, both sides have the ability to hit strategic targets to the full depth. Whoever responds will receive an excuse at the UN.
    2. Revival
      Revival 29 September 2020 18: 27
      +1
      They will answer right after pushing ...
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 29 September 2020 17: 24
    21
    I think our Foreign Ministry will express concern.
    1. HAM
      HAM 29 September 2020 17: 47
      0
      And he will do the right thing ... Pashinyan spat in the direction of the North, now let him wipe himself ...
    2. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 29 September 2020 18: 18
      -4
      there is no doubt about it. Lavrov is already preparing a pressur with concerns, and Masha, in the background, is beating Kalinka
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 29 September 2020 18: 25
      -2
      Quote: Tlauicol
      I think our Foreign Ministry will express concern.

      Most rated post! good And I agree drinks
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 29 September 2020 19: 59
        -3
        Quote: Doliva63
        Quote: Tlauicol
        I think our Foreign Ministry will express concern.

        Most rated post! good And I agree drinks

        Here do not go to the fortuneteller .. Zakharova is already concerned .. We are waiting for Lavrov ..
  • Alexander Dolgov
    Alexander Dolgov 29 September 2020 17: 25
    0
    Russia will not react. Although in fact a member of the CSTO is hammered. Popados for Russia. We will watch how the Americans save Pashinyan. Maybe the ship will pick him up if that ...
    1. Ela myaushkina
      Ela myaushkina 29 September 2020 17: 31
      -2
      Quote: Alexander Dolgov
      Russia will not react. Although in fact a member of the CSTO is hammered. Popados for Russia. We will watch how the Americans save Pashinyan. Maybe the ship will pick him up if that ...

      If there is no violation of the state border of Armenia. This is not an invasion and attack on Armenia. And Karabakh is not Armenia. Therefore, the CSTO is not yet valid. No reason.
      1. Revival
        Revival 29 September 2020 18: 29
        0
        It seems that in Belarus they pretended that the rallies were enough for the ODKB, but then suddenly the plane was not enough ...
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 17: 43
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Dolgov
      Maybe the ship will pick him up if that ...

      The sixth fleet off the coast of Armenia?
      Psaki returned to service ??? laughing
    3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 September 2020 17: 51
      +4
      Russia will not react. Although in fact a member of the CSTO is hammered. Popados for Russia. We will watch how the Americans save Pashinyan. Maybe the ship will pick him up if that ...

      space?! laughing
      1. Alexander Dolgov
        Alexander Dolgov 29 September 2020 18: 39
        +2
        laughing said with credit
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 September 2020 20: 45
      0
      Quote: Alexander Dolgov
      Maybe the ship will pick him up if that ...

      Well, okay, we have already been accustomed to the Belarusian sea. Has the Armenian sea appeared now? wassat
    5. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 30 September 2020 06: 31
      -3
      let them hammer, it was not necessary to spit in the direction of Russia, it will help with weapons, but there is no way to fight for them
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 29 September 2020 17: 25
    +8
    Very strange news. Armenia has almost no air force, and it has never used its few aircraft in the conflict. What did the Su-25 do not at the front, but in Armenia itself? Whom and why did you fly to storm?
    The appearance of the F-16 is no less strange. And also not at the front.
    Azerbaijan has an air force, but apart from the very successful use of drones, they will not be used yet. Why would they attack the Su-25 with the F-16, and even in the airspace of Armenia?
    It looks more like an attempt on the part of Armenia to tie Turkey directly to the conflict.
    The bottom line is that if this is presented as not a war for Karabakh, but aggression against Armenia itself, the RF will have to intervene directly.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 September 2020 17: 33
      15
      Silly question - what did the Su-25 do over Armenia when the war was in Karabakh. In terms of level, what did the Yaks / Lavki / Ily do in the deep rear when the war?

      Conspiracy theories aside, here are 2 easy reasons:
      1) It's really hot, and the pilots have 4-8 hours from the beginning of the year. Right now they have given fuel and intensively to the landfills, while there is still time. At least somehow fly in and teach.
      2) Fly over the reference area, familiarize yourself with the terrain and that's all.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 29 September 2020 17: 51
        0
        .
        Quote: donavi49
        1) It's really hot, and the pilots have 4-8 hours from the beginning of the year. Right now they have given fuel and intensively to the landfills, while there is still time. At least somehow fly in and teach.
        2) Fly over the reference area, familiarize yourself with the terrain and that's all.

        Well, accepted. If we assume that even those few planes that are not ready, this is logical.
        But why then did the F-16 shoot it down in the airspace of Armenia?
        The plane is at home, not at the front, there is no danger from it. It would be strange even if it was a MiG-29 of the Azerbaijan Air Force itself. But a Turkish fighter? This is some kind of absurdity.
        It is much more logical (without conspiracy theories) to assume that the Armenians lost the Su-25 during the training flight, but are trying to fasten the Turks here for political reasons.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 18: 18
          -1
          Interestingly, there is evidence of the incident not from the Armenian "objective control", but from a third party. For example, Russia? So far, as far as I understand, there is only a statement by the Armenian ministry of both and, accordingly, a refutation from the Turks and Azerbaijanis.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 29 September 2020 17: 39
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      It looks more like an attempt on the part of Armenia to tie Turkey directly to the conflict.


      The Turks are already there, they are trumpeting about it everywhere.
      Quote: Odyssey
      Why would they attack the Su-25 with the F-16

      In the models of the aircraft themselves, the answer. This is a blow towards Russia. Now they will be watching for our answer. And in Armenia and Turkey. If nothing happens, the NATO countries will intervene, Armenia will leave the CSTO and Armenia, together with Georgia, will enter this alliance in one form or another.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 29 September 2020 17: 55
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        In the models of the aircraft themselves, the answer. This is a blow towards Russia.

        What has Russia to do with it? This is beneficial only to Armenia. Why would Turkey shoot down a plane in Armenia itself? Now they have an ideal situation from the point of view of international law. Azerbaijan is fighting for those lands that are considered to be their territory.
        But an attack on a sovereign state is a different scenario. It is absolutely unprofitable for Turkey.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 29 September 2020 18: 07
          -1
          Quote: Odyssey
          What has Russia to do with it?

          This is the territory of our interests, our bases are located in Armenia, this is the only country in the Transcaucasus that supports us, they are part of the CSTO. If all countries see weakness, then this will lead to the resumption of all wars where Russia is present. Syria, Libya, Transnistria, LDNR. Central Asian countries will leave the field of influence of Russia, Kazakhstan will also begin to drift. There will be Chinese and NATO / US bases along the entire southern border.
          Having received the Transcaucasus (Georgia, Armenia), the United States will move further to Asia. This is logical in their fight against China, China will answer, everyone will squeeze us out.
          You have to hold on to Armenia with your teeth. There will be no big war there, the main question is who will prevent it.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 18: 14
            +1
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            it is the only country in Transcaucasia that supports us,

            and how is this expressed?
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 29 September 2020 20: 52
              +1
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              it is the only country in Transcaucasia that supports us,

              and how is this expressed?


          2. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 30 September 2020 06: 34
            -3
            let them hammer, it was not necessary to spit in the direction of Russia, it will help with weapons, but there is no way to fight for them
      2. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 29 September 2020 18: 09
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        In the models of the aircraft themselves, the answer. This is a blow towards Russia. Now they will be watching for our answer. And in Armenia and Turkey. If nothing happens, the NATO countries will intervene, Armenia will leave the CSTO and Armenia, together with Georgia, will enter this alliance in one form or another.


        Armenia and Georgia into NATO are fantasies, NATO is not very willing to accept new members now, let alone countries with such territorial problems, but if the task is to drag Russia into the war by any means, then the organizers are on the right track. The only question is what it will cost Russia, at least relations with Azerbaijan, Turkey and Afghanistan (which also supports Azerbaijan) will deteriorate + relations with other Muslim countries that support the integrity of Azerbaijan may deteriorate, so here you need to act carefully and wisely ... and one must also understand that Russia will ultimately benefit from this.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 29 September 2020 18: 12
          -2
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          Armenia with Georgia in NATO is a fantasy

          Not fancy. Not a full-fledged member, but an associative participant ”is the same as a NATO member but without the right to vote.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 30 September 2020 06: 35
            -4
            NATO is ready to fight inside itself)))) how many clashes with members of the alliance
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 17: 48
      0
      Quote: Odyssey
      RF will have to intervene directly.

      "directly" is according to the protocol. First, a request to the CSTO secretariat from the terpila, then consultations within the organization, then an appeal to the UN, then .... etc. Most likely - the separation of the parties and a ceasefire. There will be no forceful coercion of peace. And so on until next time.
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 29 September 2020 17: 25
    +7
    The Turks have their own interest. The region will excite. They will get drunk with someone else's blood. I hope Yerevan will not keep itself waiting. And yet he will beat Iskanders both in Azerbut and in Turkey.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 29 September 2020 17: 27
    +3
    The downing of the plane is a "kid check" on the BV. The Turks decided to check the Armenians, at the same time to show their determination. The Armenians need to bring everything that is from the air defense system to combat readiness and continue the work of combat aviation - otherwise they will not be allowed to fly at all.
  • Dave36
    Dave36 29 September 2020 17: 28
    +5
    We still need to fit 400 to the Turks, they also promised to sell the planes ... well, why ... money, nothing personal. They armed the Armenians, pumped up Azerbaijan, fell at the feet of the Turks ... hmm ...
  • Freeman
    Freeman 29 September 2020 17: 28
    +2
    The Armenian Air Force publishes information that an F-16 fighter of the Turkish Air Force shot down a Su-25 attack aircraft of the Armenian Air Force.


    Shushan Stepanyan, press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry, reported this.
    Here is the message -



    auto-translation

    Today, from 10:30 am, F-16 fighters of the Turkish Air Force took off from the airport "Ganja" of the Republic of Azerbaijan and provided bombing strikes from UAV "Bayraktar" of Turkish production on settlements and ground units of the Armed Forces of Armenia located in the regions of Vardenis, Mets Masrik, Sotk Vardenis, Vardenis and Mets Masrik, Sotk:

    During this period, combat missions for fire support of the air defense units of the RA AF were carried out by their own aviation.

    While performing a combat mission in the course of anti-aircraft and air battles, the F-16 multi-functional fighter of the Turkish Air Force in the airspace of the Republic of Armenia shot down a Su-25 fighter of the RA AF:
    The pilot, unfortunately, died heroically:

    The F-16 multifunctional fighter of the Republic of Turkey, according to objective control measures, was at a depth of 60 km at an altitude of 8200 meters.
    1. ashot1973
      ashot1973 30 September 2020 00: 25
      0
      to the addition - the result of the impact of the same UAVs and drying of the Az aircraft, which were insured by the F-16

      https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/society/20200929/24665187/Azerbaydzhan-khotel-nanesti-vozdushnyy-udar-po-zheleznoy-doroge-v-Armenii---Minoborony.html

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=dxB3Uv1PiKk&feature=emb_logo
  • ximkim
    ximkim 29 September 2020 17: 29
    +1
    We are waiting for news with official statements.
  • serzh.kost
    serzh.kost 29 September 2020 17: 29
    +4
    If even after this we only express concern, then it is not clear why the CSTO is needed at all.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 29 September 2020 17: 41
      +4
      In general, for a start, Armenia must officially apply to the CSTO for help, shouldn't it? Can the Armenians not yet think that they need it?
      1. serzh.kost
        serzh.kost 29 September 2020 17: 51
        -1
        so I do not call right now to run and uncover yao. but the answer must be, the more has accumulated already. the Turks are already openly mocking the "overthrowing power", it’s just laughing. and if you're afraid of big guys, don't leave the sandbox ...
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 30 September 2020 06: 37
          -3
          Is Armenia a superpower?
  • fif21
    fif21 29 September 2020 17: 30
    -1
    Is there nothing to erase the airfield with? And you need to figure out - who drove the F-16! If a Turk, then the name and address of the studio. hi
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 September 2020 17: 35
      +2
      It's so scary that polonaises (or even new Turkish missiles) will arrive in return. Both sides can destroy any objects of each other.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 29 September 2020 18: 08
        -1
        Azerbaijan also has Israeli LORA (OTRK)
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 29 September 2020 17: 30
    +1
    Quote: Odyssey
    What did the Su-25 do not at the front, but in Armenia itself?

    The answer is likely that the F-16 escorted the drones. Su-25 threatened to be shot down by drones.
  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 29 September 2020 17: 33
    +3
    True or not, they are trying hard to drag Russia into the conflict.
    1. Ela myaushkina
      Ela myaushkina 29 September 2020 17: 34
      0
      Quote: Wanderer Polente
      True or not, they are trying hard to drag Russia into the conflict.

      And Armenia is trying very hard. For he feels his collapse in Karabakh.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 29 September 2020 18: 37
        +1
        Quote: Ela Myaushkina
        Quote: Wanderer Polente
        True or not, they are trying hard to drag Russia into the conflict.

        And Armenia is trying very hard. For he feels his collapse in Karabakh.

        Why not - in exchange for a correct / balanced foreign policy?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 29 September 2020 17: 34
    0
    Quote: 7,62x54
    We are waiting for the report on the Iskander strike

    What Iskander? The ones on which Russian settlements? sad Who will give them the order ....? winked
  • Dave36
    Dave36 29 September 2020 17: 34
    0
    Oh, already the Turks are not us, we did not shoot down)
  • yehat2
    yehat2 29 September 2020 17: 35
    0
    I don’t think that the Turks knew exactly over whose territory the Su-25 was located, and in general where whose territory was. We just shot down a target in a given very conditionally area
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 September 2020 17: 36
    -1
    Turkey did not shoot down Armenia's SS 25. Bloomberg. Then who? hi
    1. Ela myaushkina
      Ela myaushkina 29 September 2020 17: 40
      -5
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Turkey did not shoot down Armenia's SS 25. Bloomberg. Then who? hi

      The Armenians themselves shot down so that Russia would finally come to the rescue)
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 29 September 2020 18: 00
        +3
        Quote: Ela Myaushkina
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Turkey did not shoot down Armenia's SS 25. Bloomberg. Then who? hi

        The Armenians themselves shot down so that Russia would finally come to the rescue)


        Isn't it too expensive for such a provocation? Armenia (EMNIP) had only four Su-25s.
        Wouldn't it be easier to "smash" some "pigsty" in the border area with Azerbaijan, make a "statement of aggression" and look at the reaction of Russia?
        And here - "I went straight from the trump card."
  • Alien From
    Alien From 29 September 2020 17: 36
    +1
    Very, very bad news !!! Deliberately trying to drag us into this whore !!!
    1. Ela myaushkina
      Ela myaushkina 29 September 2020 17: 40
      0
      Quote: Alien From
      Very, very bad news !!! Deliberately trying to drag us into this whore !!!

      I think this is a fake of Armenians.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 September 2020 17: 59
        0
        There is such a possibility.
  • tarakan
    tarakan 29 September 2020 17: 39
    +2
    Explain to a civilian, Armenia knew that Azerbanjan had a UAV with SAPIKES, but set the OSA air defense as a station in an open field, and tanks in caponiers are a good target. They would have spent more on the TOP.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 29 September 2020 17: 45
      +1
      Who shot down Azerbaijan in a helicopter, if all the Wasps were knocked out in Nagorno-Karabakh. Something tells me the truth is 50/50. hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 September 2020 17: 53
        +2
        Something tells me that EVERYBODY GOT IN THERE!
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 29 September 2020 17: 57
      +1
      They have deneg net!
      They are neither rich, but proud ...
      It's as simple as twice, two ... they can SURVIVE only when they become part of something STRONG.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 29 September 2020 17: 42
    +2
    I want to ask: "Well, Eared Pashinyan, what are you going to do now?"
    Will you remember about Russia or will you call to Europe with their gay-European values?
  • fn34440
    fn34440 29 September 2020 17: 44
    +3
    "I came to the conclusion that Turkey is a territory of terror ..."

    "... In essence, a Turk is a bully and a coward; he is brave, like a lion, when circumstances are favorable to him, but servile, cowardly and weak, if the situation is not in his favor."

    Henry Morgenthau (Morgenthau), US Ambassador to Turkey in 1913-1916, the book "The Ambassador Morgenthau's Story" (1918) In Russian translation - “The Tragedy of the Armenian People. Ambassador Morgento's story "
  • Seaflame
    Seaflame 29 September 2020 17: 47
    +2
    Well, if this is true, then there is a good reason to answer for the Su-24. Naturally, not openly, well, the Armenian Air Force will simply have several aces of the highest class. Well, how the Vietnamese aces of the Lisi-tsins had nightmares for the Americans. Well, or Armenian engineers will suddenly create an air defense system that is not inferior to the performance characteristics of the S-300. There are many options.
  • askort154
    askort154 29 September 2020 17: 47
    +2
    Impunity always breeds lawlessness. Russia has forgiven Turkey for the downed Su-24. Russia has forgiven Israel for brazenly provoking it, the Syrian air defense attack on the Russian Il-20, which killed 22 Russian soldiers. Now Turkey, indicatively, is shooting down the plane of Armenia, which is part of the CSTO, frankly spitting on the fact that, officially, there is a Russian military base in Armenia. What's next ?
    Continuation of verbiage about the inadmissibility of the actions of our "partners" ?! Our "flexible" policy has already been "bent" so much that we may again find ourselves on the "Gorbachev-Shevardnadzen" path. negative
  • hroft
    hroft 29 September 2020 17: 51
    -1
    If true, then the likelihood of another Russian-Turkish one increases exponentially.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 29 September 2020 17: 52
    +1
    The news is "fried", BUT let's not rush to conclusions soldier
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 September 2020 17: 52
    0
    Where did the downed Su-25 fall?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 September 2020 17: 53
    +1
    Quote: askort154
    Our "flexible" policy has already been "bent" so much that we may again find ourselves on the "Gorbachev-Shevardnadzen" path.

    Is this a call for war?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 29 September 2020 17: 55
    +4
    Well, the second batch of S-400s will have to be delivered to Turkey, nothing personal, only business .. laughing Russia and Turkey, brothers forever, Turkey, is shaking NATO ... remember these comments, you already wrote to the bogey ... Those who objected, mercilessly minus ... What, son, did your Poles help you? (C)
    1. Seaflame
      Seaflame 29 September 2020 17: 58
      +1
      Moreover, to completely plug the Turkish Stream ... With such an inadequate as Erdogash, it is more expensive for us to introduce business.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 29 September 2020 18: 18
        +1
        They won't clog up, so much money has been thrown in, but what to do with a nuclear power plant ... it is necessary to complete the contract, otherwise the fines will have to be paid ... But he once wrote that one must be careful with the Turks, they can stab a knife with a twist ..
    2. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 29 September 2020 18: 22
      +4
      Turkey, is shaking NATO ... remember these comments, they wrote to a bogey ...


      Hmm ...
      I also ogreb in full, when I wrote that the Turks are an ordinary bashibozuk from the 14th century. It started - traitors, sixes, the Turks, our FSE, you will ask on your knees when the Turks cut you and the like.

      And by the way, now both we and the Greeks and others will see how Russia helps its allies, whom Erdogan has a nightmare for. I was a fierce opponent of the American bases in Bulgaria, but it seems better to poke more of them, because it will be difficult for us ourselves to cope with the undersultan.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 29 September 2020 18: 32
        +2
        Do you think the Americans will protect you? It's time for you, inside NATO, to create a new Balkan Union, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia against Turkey ..
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 29 September 2020 18: 45
          +1
          Do you think the Americans will protect you? It's time for you, inside NATO, to create a new Balkan Union, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia against Turkey ..


          And the devil only knows. We must and arm ourselves to the teeth. And no matter how much I explain that our strategic enemy has always been and will be Turkey, there will still be a genius who will ask who we are armed against ...

          And yes, a new Balkan alliance with Serbia and Greece is also a great idea. If I were the PM of Bulgaria, I would have done it a few years ago. And I would invite Russia to the union as an observer, so that there is a balance with NATO. And so that the uncle with the club, in Moscow, does not send an ultimatum again, as in 1913 ... laughing
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 29 September 2020 19: 02
            +2
            Sometimes it seems to me that this whole squabble between Turkey and the United States is just a performance ... the performance, because of the oil in Syria, the Turks did not take their own, at first, but had to give the main thing. We were offended, of course. And without the moral support of the United States, Turkey would not behave so brazenly, in Libya, with Greece ... And the United States, on horseback in front of you and who will protect you from Turkey ... only we ... If Turkey had a serious quarrel would be with the United States, would have long ago exposed American bases from its territory ... And so cute quarrels, only amuse themselves ... By the way, I also wrote about this .. smile
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 29 September 2020 19: 14
              +1
              Sometimes it seems to me that this whole bickering between Turkey and the United States is just a performance ... a performance, because of oil in Syria,


              I do not agree here .... oil is cheap nowadays and there is little of it in Syria. And the prospects for hydrocarbons are vague. No, the Turks are not childishly unnerving many countries and will be shocked.

              You will be protected from Turkey ... only by us ...


              During the times of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR, you had the capabilities and aggressiveness of the Empire. Not really now. Yes, and we always (after the Liberation) could cope with the Turks and already went out in 30 km. from Constantinople. From 1878 to 1944, we fought with the Turks 5 times and kicked them mercilessly, again with their total superiority and the latest German and British weapons. All of them were soldiers, and ours took Audrin in a shykov attack, like in the good old days of Suvorov :). We just need to restore the army to the level of the Kingdom of Bulgaria. The calm world is over. Even for Europe.
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 29 September 2020 19: 36
                +2
                But nevertheless, the United States, the "rotten" Syrian sources of oil have appropriated and are not going to give it away .. They are releasing a small share of the Kurds .. Okay, they kicked mercilessly smile We went into bayonet attacks, almost took Istanbul smile It used to be ... Now, you are allies, you are part of one military bloc, which, by the way, is directed against Russia. And we are no better ... Russia and Turkey are brothers forever laughing , but nevertheless it turned out how it happened ... You will not restore the army, you have no money, you will buy all kinds of junk. Alas, you and we are bourgeois states, and the bourgeois have only bourgeois interests. But you are right: the calm world is over. Even for Europe.
                1. Keyser soze
                  Keyser soze 29 September 2020 19: 47
                  0
                  Now you are allies, you are part of one military bloc, which, incidentally, is directed against Russia.


                  We have nothing to share with Russia. Hitler could not force us to fight with you and he was a little tougher than Stoltenberg ... laughing

                  You will not restore the army, you have no money, you will buy all kinds of junk.


                  Yes, this is also a myth ... there is money and that's enough. 1,2 billion just for the F16 unfastened. They don't write articles here because they are too lazy to read, but by the end of the year they sign an agreement on two new corvettes for the fleet. Then there is the modernization of 80 T72, then the purchase of 150 BMPs, where the Americans from the General Dynamisc Land System will smear butter on bread, new radar systems, and so on. I hope you don't have to use it.

                  Have a nice evening hi
                  1. parusnik
                    parusnik 29 September 2020 20: 12
                    +1
                    Well, well ... one and a half lard dollars, big money, well, just money ... If you drink, you can get cirrhosis of the liver, if you are obese .. laughing USA, will solve your problems ... for you .. smile
                    Have a nice evening hi
                2. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 30 September 2020 06: 40
                  -3
                  this is not our war
  • yfast
    yfast 29 September 2020 17: 58
    0
    Quote: Spade

    And that Russia should fight for the lands squeezed from Azerbaijan by Armenia to the last Russian soldier?
    And can you yourself, dear, show an example? A volunteer ... Not?

    It shouldn't, but if there is an attack on Armenia, then it should, otherwise the CSTO can be immediately disbanded.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 30 September 2020 06: 41
      -4
      Armenia should officially make a request for assistance
  • alpamys
    alpamys 29 September 2020 18: 00
    +1
    West must be registered long ago, there are idiots in power.
    hello from germany.
    1. Revival
      Revival 29 September 2020 18: 45
      0
      So escape from there quickly, run to us
      1. alpamys
        alpamys 29 September 2020 20: 59
        0
        Quote: Revival
        So escape from there quickly, run to us

        I am in my historical homeland, and running does not suit me.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 29 September 2020 18: 01
    +1
    Quote: sergo
    The Russian Federation cannot stand up for itself, what kind of Armenia is there.

    For example?
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  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 29 September 2020 18: 06
    0
    Quote: COJIDAT
    Done))

    Who?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 29 September 2020 18: 07
    0
    Quote: askort154
    Impunity always breeds lawlessness. Russia has forgiven Turkey for the downed Su-24. negative

    Really? Russia did not sort the Turks and the Barmaley, but mowed down everyone. I am afraid that there are orders of magnitude more calmed Turks
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 29 September 2020 18: 08
    0
    And if he flew out of the airspace of Armenia even by several hundred meters, then the F-16 immediately struck. What meters do they count? The war is coming! Any sane person put fire on all the military bases of the country! What kind of nonsense?
  • mark2
    mark2 29 September 2020 18: 49
    0
    Well, everyone shut up and read the news feed. The Turks denounced the defeat of the Armenian SU25. Hasty conclusions are often fraught with consequences.
    1. ashot1973
      ashot1973 30 September 2020 00: 28
      0
      yes ..., of course.
  • Scoop71
    Scoop71 29 September 2020 19: 26
    -2
    Russia should give Armenia and Azerbaijan a day for peace negotiations, and if the massacre continues, simply fill up the entire Karabakh with radioactive waste so that no one gets it and no one needs it for a couple of generations.
  • Prahlad
    Prahlad 29 September 2020 19: 29
    -2
    Break everything! Iskandars turn everything into dust. Everything should burn!
  • senima56
    senima56 29 September 2020 20: 23
    0
    Here's what I don't understand: why are the Turks shooting down anyone with impunity? !!! When will they "get it in the teeth" themselves ?!
  • Grievous
    Grievous 30 September 2020 00: 53
    0
    Tomatoes will be banned again.
  • Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 30 September 2020 02: 39
    -1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Spade
    And that Russia should fight for the lands squeezed from Azerbaijan by Armenia to the last Russian soldier?
    And can you yourself, dear, show an example? A volunteer ... Not?

    Precisely because WHILE the mess has a local appearance, the Russian Federation will not climb. As soon as all this will result in a full-scale war, both the Turks and the Iranians will enter and God knows who else, including Ishil and Alkaida, then the Russian Federation, bound by the CSTO treaty MUST intervene. This is all spelled out in the DEFENSE DOCTRINE of our country

    so it is so, but! whatever one may say, but Armenia substitutes the CSTO with its actions.
    there is a UN Security Council resolution, and the Russian Federation has unambiguously repeatedly stated its position "a part of the territory of Azerbaijan is occupied by Armenia." For more than 20 years Armenia did not itch to fulfill the UN Security Council resolution. and although my personal sympathies are on the side of Armenia, I must admit that Azerbaijan is in its right. now for the CSTO.
    this organization has 6 states. and as far as I understand, the decision to apply the treaty is taken collectively. even if the decision is positive, why by the forces of the Russian Federation? there is also Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan. For obvious reasons, I do not take Minsk into account, they have enough problems of their own now. and so a simple question: is there unity in the CSTO? someone other than the Russian Federation will take part? oh I doubt it ......