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"To an enemy airfield at a speed of Mach seven": US press on threats from Armenian Iskander

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Against the background of the resumption of active hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh, the attention of Western analysts is focused on assessing the military potential of the warring parties. The Iskander-E operational-tactical missile system is named as one of the “trump cards” that Yerevan possesses.


Military Watch (USA) believes that Armenia, while implementing an ambitious program for the modernization of its armed forces, has relied on Russian systems, without scattering funds for purchases in other countries like Azerbaijan, which closely cooperates in the military-technical sphere not only with the Russian Federation, but also with Turkey and Israel. This allowed Yerevan to acquire the most powerful means of destruction, sharply increasing the strike potential of its troops.

One of them is Iskander-E OTRK, purchased along with other systems at "friendly low prices." Armenia became its first confirmed customer, having received, as the American author writes, along with the complex "the possibility of inflicting a lightning strike with hypersonic missiles flying at a speed of Mach seven at enemy strategic targets, such as airfields, command centers, air defense batteries and troop concentrations."

Iskander will be able to deliver high-quality precision strikes against Azerbaijani targets, including airfields

- considers Military Watch.

For our part, we add that the Armenian leadership has declared its readiness to use OTRK against Turkey if Ankara uses F-16 fighters in the conflict. In this scenario, the primary target is likely to be the nearby airfield network.

At the same time, never before has there been any talk of hypersonic missiles for Iskander-E.

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  1. Livonetc
    Livonetc 29 September 2020 13: 25
    20
    Azerbaijan acquired Solntsepek.
    He used it in the conflict.
    Armenia acquired Iskander.
    Its use will be quite reasonable when applied to the targets appropriate to the threat.
    1. hrych
      hrych 29 September 2020 13: 54
      15
      Solntsepek operates at a maximum range of 6 km. So this is for radio-chemical protection, to burn out chemistry, equipment. Well, you can barmaleev with small arms and then carefully, fearing ATGMs. So, on the battlefield, during military operations by opponents with heavy weapons, this system is a suicide bomber. The fact that in the video she jumped out from behind the mountain and fired, of course without really aiming and naturally by, also says a lot. In general, its large purchase by the Ministry of Defense of the AR (not to be confused with the hostile RA) is relative stupidity. The AR has Polonez, but it is in no way comparable to the high-precision, hypersonic and long-range Iskander, well, nothing ...
      1. venik
        venik 29 September 2020 19: 44
        +4
        Quote: hrych
        So, on the battlefield, during military operations of opponents with heavy weapons, this system is a suicide bomber.

        ========
        But why? "Solntsepek" - this car is good for support advancing parts - following the tanks and infantry fighting vehicles - and the company stronghold can burn down to the ground (without sticking in into the zone of effective anti-tank fire) ..... But this system is a company, maximum battalion level. And "Iskander" - he is "Iskander" - OTRK after all! The thing is more serious (especially if the conflict is between Small by area states!
        1. hrych
          hrych 29 September 2020 20: 20
          +1
          You said the key word ... FOR. Tanks operate at a range of more than 6 kilometers, and they are supported by assault aircraft with an even greater range. It is the radio chemical protection unit that is supplied with this device, and to burn someone, say, an additional function outside of specialization. This is how our army must, first of all, both use and defend against weapons of mass destruction. The task is of paramount importance. These things disinfect a huge area in one gulp ... over the head of armored vehicles, in front of the passage of armored vehicles. And on the way of advancing armored vehicles, of course, not enemy infantry, but harmful chemicals, including ... ours wassat and the enemy's infantry, as it were, with their paws upward ... The fact that AR was sniffing ... well, business. So it is already clear that the thing is useless here. Maybe, of course, the askers fantasized about how they would burn the surrounded Dashnak dugouts wassat but for some reason they cannot reach the dugouts, but the art works within a radius of 10 km or more ...
          1. venik
            venik 29 September 2020 23: 17
            +2
            Quote: hrych
            Tanks operate at a distance of more than 6 kilometers

            ========
            ABOUT! Directly> 6 km? By the way, "Reflex" has a range (maximum!) - only 5 km!
            Second: Have you ever fired from a Kalash? There at AKM, I remember the maximum range - 700 meters! On the pillar, as far as I remember max. mark 6 (600 m). But! Try to get from 600 meters (at least in single, at least bursts) - not like hitting a person - into a standing tank! Figushki - unless only with a sniper scope, and even then, if you are a cool shooter! And at the same time, nothing bothers you (bullets do not whistle, mines do not burst)!
            А effective firing range from AKM - 150-200 m! By the way, as experts calculated 40 years ago - in the European theater of operations, tank battles in the overwhelming majority of cases occur at distances of no more than 2 km !!!
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            Quote: hrych
            It is the radio chemical protection unit that is supplied with this device, and to burn someone, say, an additional function outside of specialization.

            ======
            TOC-s, by tradition (since they formally refer to flamethrower systems) enter the chemical protection troops, although de facto this is pure art!
            1. hrych
              hrych 30 September 2020 06: 55
              +3
              Tank battles? Exactly. You don't know what tanks should be used for wassat The tank drove out the cavalry, and its task, after the appearance of firearms, was a breakthrough in a narrow sector of the front, raids on the rear, with a pogrom of communications, before supplying, going into the rear of the enemy troops. And only the Russians and Germans knew how to use tanks. Therefore, the T-34 is the best tank, not with the greatest performance characteristics, but high-spirited. Also, the Germans used light and medium tanks ... But towards the end, they began to fence in between a self-propelled gun and a tank. For they went on the defensive, but failed. They began to make heavy tanks and this tradition has passed into world practice to this day. Monkey syndrome. Although the defeat of Germany should have prompted. Well, the Leopard is the best tank in the West. Not for nothing Arjun and the Korean ... Panther, his mutants. The USSR, naturally remembering the experience of the Great War, again made the T-72 medium tank, but supplied it with a powerful gun with an automatic loader in order to remain medium, with smaller dimensions. So, tank against tank is nonsense and nonsense. Anti-tank service works against tanks wassat And this is art, sappers with mines, assault aircraft, and now just infantry with ATGMs. And if the tanks attacked the tanks head-on, then one of the commanders, or better both, should be shot. Nooo, atomic weapons appeared and the tank turned out to be the best weapon of the post-apocalypse, protects the crew from a direct vigorous explosion and its factors, protects from post-explosive factors. It is an all-terrain vehicle, a walking art and a fortress. But besides nuclear weapons, we have bacteriological and chemical weapons. How to deal with it? Burn of course. How to destroy active chemical compounds, as well as microbes and their carriers, i.e. insects, rodents and ... people. Pokumekali, remembered Katyusha, remembered thermobaric properties. In order to decontaminate the largest possible area. And they put guides on the tank. And after all, it is not specially long-range. Just barmaley - turned out to be a biological weapon, i.e. harmful microbes. wassat And the neighbors ... liked it. So we have napalm, we have the same powerful thermobaric aviation devices, there are cassette devices, phosphoric ones, etc. I liked it, but buy ... For you, we will even increase the range, exceeding the ATGM line, naturally with a deterioration in disinfection performance. But here it is radio-chemical protection. There is something better to beat the barmaley, there is something better to beat enemy tanks. The same nomenclature of MLRS ... And beat chemistry and microbes? We have what and this is CBT.
              1. Florian geyer
                Florian geyer 30 September 2020 10: 49
                0
                there are bacteriological and chemical weapons. How to deal with it? Burn of course. How to destroy active chemical compounds, as well as microbes and their carriers, i.e. insects, rodents and ... people. We thought, remembered Katyusha, remembered the thermobaric properties. In order to decontaminate the largest possible area.


                What nonsense. Thermobaric ammunition "burns out" no more than conventional high-explosive shells. They don't burn, they explode. The main factor affecting them is not temperature, but shock wave / pressure drop. If you try to "burn out" the focus of TOS infestation, you will simply spread all the muck over a 10 times larger area.

                In fact, both Bumblebees and TOS are just heavy infantry weapons. What it is for is written in textbooks, and probably even on Wikipedia
                1. hrych
                  hrych 30 September 2020 11: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Florian Geyer
                  In fact, both Bumblebees and TOS are just heavy infantry weapons.

                  Yes, what are you saying? wassat Infantry weapon based on the tank wassat Wikipedia is an advertising page for potential Azerbaijani buyers. And we have it armed with units of the RChBZ. And this was created for the RChBZ. And not an explosion, but a volumetric explosion. Take the trouble to find out what is the difference. I'll tell you well. The resulting high-pressure zone during a volumetric explosion, even in the absence of a supersonic shock wave, effectively affects the enemy's manpower, freely penetrating into areas inaccessible to fragmentation ammunition... Why is this important for RChBZ, in order to burn out everything in the cavities that are covered from the usual shock wave. We do not need the remaining chemicals and flour there. And take the trouble to decipher the TOC, i.e. flamethrower system, i.e. burning out, not just explosive, etc. That's the whole moral. The main thing is a quick and effective method of disinfection before the offensive of our troops. Miners operate with their machines, and passages are cleared by Gorynych, and not like Azerbaijanis with their tanks wassat Although TOC and demining properties have. And you can drive nails with a microscope wassat
                  1. Florian geyer
                    Florian geyer 30 September 2020 11: 58
                    -2
                    Neither RPO nor TOC have anything to do with disinfection. Thermobaric and "volumetric" explosion does not burn anything. They act as a shock wave / pressure drop.
                    For "burning out" there is incendiary RPO-Z and incendiary shots to TOC, which have nothing to do with thermobars.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 30 September 2020 12: 04
                      +2
                      Why is TOS for arming the RChBZ and nothing else? Think about it laughing Azerbaijan is not an example wassat
                      1. Florian geyer
                        Florian geyer 30 September 2020 12: 29
                        -4
                        For bureaucratic, administrative and budgetary considerations. In order to at least somehow justify the presence of RChBZ in the system of the Ministry of Defense.
                        The fact is that it is high time for the RChBZ troops to be canceled and their functions transferred to the Ministry of Emergencies. And so the crowd of generals sits on the budget, divides ranks, positions and money.

                        And foreseeing the next question right away, I will say - no one anywhere will use chemical and biological weapons on the battlefield (because a. Is prohibited by the convention and, b. Ineffective, c. A response will torture you). Even the Germans in WWII used chemical weapons only against prisoners of concentration camps
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 30 September 2020 12: 36
                        +2
                        Colleague, bacteriological weapons have already been used against you laughing Moreover, besides BOV, there are also man-made disasters ... as a consequence of hostilities. What is the Ministry of Emergency Situations, if the troops are working and the enemy is shooting. And epidemics are also a companion of war. Remember at least the Spanish woman. Well, there are statements that there will be no nuclear or other war, but for some reason everyone is preparing for it.
                      3. Florian geyer
                        Florian geyer 30 September 2020 12: 56
                        -2
                        It makes sense to distribute the same TPS to motorized rifle troops. For example, add the 5th company to the TPS to the tank battalion of the brigade. Or for artillerymen - add the 4th TOC division.
                        And there are chemists in the infantry, as much as a whole company per brigade, which is quite enough.
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 30 September 2020 13: 09
                        +3
                        Contact Gerasimov hi
                2. sektant777
                  sektant777 1 October 2020 04: 55
                  0
                  Quote: hrych
                  Why is TOS for arming the RChBZ and nothing else? Think about it laughing Azerbaijan is not an example wassat

                  This is an old tradition in our Armed Forces. Give all the flamethrower to the chemists.
                  Burnout disinfection has nothing to do with it. The person wrote to you correctly.
                3. hrych
                  hrych 1 October 2020 05: 55
                  +1
                  Are you a type of arbiter wassat
                4. sektant777
                  sektant777 1 October 2020 23: 14
                  0
                  I kind of know))
                  No offense, but you are mistaken and in vain you beat all minuses.
                5. hrych
                  hrych 1 October 2020 23: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: sektant777
                  I kind of know

                  And without a type? To whom did I minus? I have a marshal rating, my minus immediately eats a bunch of points. And I minus those who are rude and not mistaken laughing
  2. venik
    venik 30 September 2020 11: 30
    0
    Quote: hrych
    we have bacteriological and chemical weapons. How to deal with it? Burn of course.

    ========
    Burn out? Chemical weapon?? HOW are you going to do it? belay You would also say that they can "burn out" the zone of radioactive contamination! lol
    To begin with, TOCs (i.e. their shells) are nothing more than "vacuum bombs"(This is how the ammunition was originally called.) Also called" volumetric explosion "ammunition, and now the name" thermobaric "is stuck.
    So - the main purpose of the TOS is, first of all, the defeat of manpower (both in open areas and in fortifications and even inside the AFV (if the hatches are open), as well as the destruction of light fortifications and buildings (they can simply "collapse inward") ...
    And the fact that they ended up in the chemical protection troops was more likely "out of inertia of thinking": initially flamethrower crews in the Red Army were assigned to the troops by the "chemists". And so it went .... And today there is this "paradox": grenade launchers using RPGs and "Flies" are infantrymen, and the same grenade launchers with "Bumblebees" (essentially the same "Fly", but with a thermobaric projectile) - belong to "chemists" .... The question has long been exaggerated that it is time to change this situation, but "things are still there" ....
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    Quote: hrych
    So, tank against tank is nonsense and nonsense. The anti-tank service wassat works against tanks. And this is art, sappers with mines, assault aircraft, and now just infantry with ATGMs.

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    It depends on who - how! We have - YES! Tanks are primarily a "fist" for breaking through enemy defenses. But for the Israelis these are "mobile pillboxes". But the Americans see the tank as main anti-tank agent! Yes Yes! Until very recently, the Abrams did not even have an OFS in the ammunition load! Only BOPS and KS!
    1. hrych
      hrych 30 September 2020 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: venik
      It depends on who - how!

      Ask Hezbollah: Do the Russians want wars? (to the sound of a bassoon ... a grenade launcher) wassat I commented that no one except us knows how to use tanks wassat
      BOV a priori are chemically active substances. Therefore, during "heat treatment" they are destroyed, and microbes even more so. And do not quote wikipedia advertising for the Republic of Azerbaijan to me wassat wassat Think about it. Think well. Why do we have TOS in service with RHBZ units wassat wassat
  • Florian geyer
    Florian geyer 30 September 2020 10: 36
    +2
    Everything works only as a complex. Each range of combat and each target has its own means of destruction. What are the fire cards for?
    And in the system of complex fire destruction of the enemy, of course, there is a place for TOS.

    The way Azerbaijanis use all this shows that they and their Turkish instructors do not know (or have already forgotten) the science of combined arms combat.
    1. hrych
      hrych 30 September 2020 11: 10
      0
      Quote: Florian Geyer
      And in the system of complex fire destruction of the enemy, of course, there is a place for TOS.

      Of course not. The range of this system is essentially small arms range and don't look at its maximum range. It is designed to operate from 400 to three and a half kilometers. Consider one km on average. And they increased for stupid buyers to 6 km. From the AK, no one shoots a canopy, but he can throw a bullet far away. Here also. A corridor safe from chemistry and biology must be created with direct line of sight, preferably.
      1. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 30 September 2020 12: 12
        0
        Can you imagine the layout of the strongpoint and the organization of the fire system? Do you know what are the lines of fire for different types of weapons? It is in such a scheme that the lights of amplification devices are inserted, for example, the same TOC
  • Florian geyer
    Florian geyer 30 September 2020 10: 22
    +1
    So chemists carry Bumblebees. What are the conclusions? Yes, none. Survival of chemistry has nothing to do with it. TOS is conventionally just a big heavy multi-charged bumblebee. Which has a place in a well-organized combined arms battle.
    1. hrych
      hrych 30 September 2020 10: 34
      0
      That's right, in a combined arms battle, his place is in the rear, where the RChBZ units belong. There will be a threat of chemical and biological contamination, then guys go ahead ... Everyone performs his task and specialization, and does not climb forward daddy. Woe if a baker sharpens his boots, and a shoemaker bakes bread. You don’t drag the air defense unit to storm the trenches, but the miners to shoot down planes, what a devil RHBZ .... About the third world countries, which are therefore the third, because they do not know how to fight a priori, this does not apply. This is the essence of Armenia and Azerbaijan.
  • Megatron
    Megatron 29 September 2020 22: 44
    +2
    Let them run around as much as possible, we don't mind, we'll see how the weapon behaves in real combat and sell them more. By the way, are the Armenian barbecuers who stabbed our spetsnaz soldier still unrestrictedly in their homeland?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 30 September 2020 22: 48
    0
    There is also a Polonaise
  • zwlad
    zwlad 29 September 2020 13: 26
    10
    Oh, it would be better not to check the effectiveness of the Iskander.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 29 September 2020 13: 32
    +8
    To be honest, the use of Iskander-E leads to consequences. Baku is not trying to attack Armenia, they are trying to recapture Karabakh. And strikes on Turkey, in general, can have a bad effect on Yerevan
    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 29 September 2020 13: 40
      +4
      If you fight "pawn for pawn, knight for knight" - then the meaning is lost ..))
      According to this logic, Azerbaijan will use the F-16 (or something else), and justify itself by the fact that it is beating off Karabakh, and not attacking Armenia ..
      And thus Armenia will sooner or later lose all its "pawns" ..
      The funny thing is that even if you start in "equal" conditions, gradually someone begins to cross the line .. In small steps ..
      And each side eventually drives the opposite side, leaving it no choice but to pump even more ..
      For example, no one will immediately hit a nuclear power plant
      But the option "F-16 - Iskander - Dam - NPP." - is no longer so unrealistic .. It is these goals that we have and figure in the war with the same States, for example ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 September 2020 13: 54
        0
        Quote: Roman13579
        But the option "F-16 -

        they don't have such a technique ...
        1. Roman13579
          Roman13579 29 September 2020 13: 56
          +2
          I do not know what anyone has there .. I'm pushing from the article ..
          if Ankara uses F-16 fighters in the conflict.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 September 2020 13: 58
            +2
            In this aspect ... okay.
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 29 September 2020 14: 58
          +3
          But they have MiG-25/29 and Su-25, bought in Ukraine, Georgia and Kazakhstan. And the Armenians have Su-30SM, though only a few.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 September 2020 15: 09
            +4
            Quote: Greenwood
            And the Armenians have Su-30SM, though only a few.

            4 pieces, and Su 25, where can we go without them.
            Their opponents are 7 - 8 times more, BUT, neither one nor the other have any options to create a full-fledged air ... yes, both the cat cried a lot of helicopters!
            Those. everything will be ON EARTH if none of the serious guys intervenes!
          2. Mar.Tirah
            Mar.Tirah 29 September 2020 16: 01
            +8
            Quote: Greenwood
            And the Armenians have Su-30SM, though only a few.

            The Armenians may have several, but Russia, which protects Armenia under the treaty, may have something else as its base, and it will not even allow the approach of Turkish F-16s to the territory of Armenia, let alone a nuclear power plant. In general, Azerbaijani participants in the discussions on the VO website and in other forums of the Russian Internet, they behave very wrongly, insulting Russia and exaggerating the importance of Turkey in the conflict with Armenia, accusing us of sympathizing with the Armenians, thereby heating up the already high degree of enmity not only with the Armenians but also with the Russians. The losses of the Azerbaijani army are already noticeably large, I saw it on the filming of battles, many were killed ... I hope Erdogan will not get anything except verbal diarrhea? Armenia also does not hesitate to buy from Israel and where it can be found, not only Russia.
            1. Mar.Tirah
              Mar.Tirah 29 September 2020 17: 16
              +1
              Quote: Mar. Tira
              And it will not even allow the approach of Turkish F-16s to the territory of Armenia, and even more so to the nuclear power plant.

              Looks like I was wrong ???? The Ministry of Defense of Armenia reported about the downed Turkish F-16, the Armenian SU-25 ... This should have been expected from the frail Erdogan. We are waiting for details.
        3. Spartanec
          Spartanec 29 September 2020 15: 42
          +1
          there is! Turkey, under the guise of exercises, recently dropped. By the way, the article says so if Turkey applies the answer will be Iskander.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 29 September 2020 14: 59
        -4
        By states, Iskander, well, well, good luck. fool
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 29 September 2020 16: 17
        +4
        Quote: Roman13579
        According to this logic, Azerbaijan will use the F-16 (or something else), and justify itself by the fact that it is beating off Karabakh, and not attacking Armenia ..

        And here we look at the facts. Armenia itself did not recognize the NKR. It did not collapse the war on Baku and Yerevan. It is clear that Armenia and the NKR are one and the same, but the facts so far speak of the war between the NKR and Azerbaijan.
      4. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 30 September 2020 10: 57
        0
        .For example, no one will immediately hit the nuclear power plant


        Nobody and never will not hit the nuclear power plant.
        And if someone is smart enough to arrange a second Chernobyl, then the entire "world community" will instantly spit on all its contradictions and immediately unasecomit such idiots
    2. hrych
      hrych 29 September 2020 13: 44
      18
      The whole thing is that the bus was burned on the territory not of Karabakh, but of Armenia. Azerbaijan got stuck in Karabakh along the way, almost a fifth of the equipment was destroyed. What is the prospect of a war with Armenia itself? Turks? The issue is controversial. You probably already understood that Baku does not know how to fight.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 29 September 2020 15: 03
        -4
        Quote: hrych
        Azerbaijan got stuck in Karabakh along the way, almost a fifth of the equipment was destroyed.
        Azerbaijan has much more equipment than Armenians, as well as manpower. Russia at one time well armed them. Plus the Turks were ready to help. So the Armenians will have nothing to fight with and no one to fight faster than Azerbaijan will run out of resources.
        1. hrych
          hrych 29 September 2020 15: 16
          +5
          Controversial statement. The main Armenian units have not yet entered the battle, Karabakh is fighting. And in Baku, from a third to a half of the potential is involved. By the way, not surprising, given the offensive on a wide front. Where the campaign was piled on ... a wide front. AR has no overwhelming advantage over RA. There is a slight advantage that is insufficient for continuous offensive operations. Armenia has 50 thousand in the Armed Forces and 200 reserves, plus 20 thousand Karabakh residents and 100 thousand reserves. The AR has 120 thousand and 300 thousand reserves. For an offensive operation, you need (roughly) three times. But they forgot about the ravines ... the mountains. They are easier to defend and difficult to attack. This is a geographic advantage. There would be Suvorov, but no ... only Barkhudarov, who is already time to spend for mediocrity.
          1. Pashhenko Nikolay
            Pashhenko Nikolay 29 September 2020 15: 40
            +3
            There are only 147 thousand in Karabakh. population. Where is there 20 + 100 thousand reserve?
            1. hrych
              hrych 29 September 2020 15: 44
              +5
              Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
              Where does the 20 + 100 thousand reserve come from?

              Whispering wassat ... these are the same Armenians of Armenia, but they are called the army of NK. It's just part of the units of the Armed Forces of Armenia
              1. Megatron
                Megatron 29 September 2020 22: 53
                +3
                The same Turks can use "vacationers" on personal tanks, etc.
                Volunteers, babays from Syria and Libya, we can only benefit from this, let the Armenians dispose of the jihadists.
          2. Florian geyer
            Florian geyer 30 September 2020 11: 11
            -1
            Why are we talking about mob potential? See what and how much is used there. What did they deploy?
            In essence, local skirmishes on a wide front with small units supported by divisional reinforcement means.

            This is not an offensive, but reconnaissance in force. Which will end with small shifts back and forth. For both armies, in essence, live-fire exercises.
            For the Armenians, the disadvantage is that their defense system will be opened, they will have to dig new trenches and equip firing positions. Well, that is also a benefit, there will be something for the soldiers to do so that they do not decompose.
            For the Azerbaijanis, the minus is that ... Uh ... a little disgraced. For that, it will be possible to drive out the current generals and appoint new ones more loyal to Aliyev, his power will be strengthened - a profit.

            Well, we must take into account the peculiarities of local traditions - to scream threateningly at the whole world, and then each side will declare its victory and everything will be over until next time
          3. Isim soyad
            Isim soyad 30 September 2020 12: 34
            -3
            I wonder where you get such information from, Azerbaijan, which has many times more equipment, has used up half, and Armenia has not yet used all its strength. You at least understand what you say. It is clear that you do not like us, Azerbaijanis, but at least that much does not need to be distorted. For Armenians, mobilization up to 55 years old without exception, without fail, and from 55 to 70 is of the "voluntary" type. And as you can tell, the Armenians did not contribute to the main force. They show the tail section of the "maize", and at the same time talk about the downed helicopter, then they talk about the downed AN-2 of the AR Armed Forces (RIA Novosti, with reference to the press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry, specified that it was an An-2 aircraft. data from open sources, there are no aircraft of this type in the Azerbaijan Air Force).

            And I also advise you and all supporters of the Armenians, do not be lazy, just read this, the article of the "Federal News Agency" of the Russian Federation. Here it is written in detail why, for what, and precisely at the end of September.
            Will Nikol Pashinyan sit on two chairs?
            https://riafan.ru/1315931-usidit-li-nikol-pashinyan-na-dvukh-stulyakh-kolonka-evgeniya-benya?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fpulse.mail.ru&utm_source=pulse_mail_ru
    3. vVvAD
      vVvAD 29 September 2020 16: 13
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      To be honest, the use of Iskander-E leads to consequences. Baku is not trying to attack Armenia, they are trying to recapture Karabakh. And strikes on Turkey, in general, can have a bad effect on Yerevan

      They can. But Turkey has much less legal reason to get involved in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict on the side of the attack than Russia has on the side of Armenia close to its borders, because the last member of the CSTO, and the NKR is an ally of Armenia. So as if Ankara's actions did not go sideways again wink
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 29 September 2020 16: 28
        +4
        Quote: vVvAD
        Turkey has much less legal reason to get involved in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict on the side of the attack than Russia has on the side of Armenia near its borders, because the last member of the CSTO,

        Who in the modern world is now worried about the legal reasons for entering a military conflict?
        Look at how the allies are in Libya.
        Russia, while there is no need to climb there. Baku does not claim the lands of Armenia.
    4. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 29 September 2020 16: 19
      +2
      With the help of Iskander and Polonez, Armenians and Azerbaijanis can inflict decapitation strikes against each other on presidential residences. Range 300 km. it allows you to do it.
  • iouris
    iouris 29 September 2020 13: 40
    -21 qualifying.
    It is pointless to use Iskander. The technical superiority of the Azerbaijani army. The drones will knock out all the boxes. Karabakh will be surrendered to Azerbaijan, the population will run, most likely, it will be sent for permanent residence in the Russian Federation. Further - the "domino effect".
    1. Alexey Polyutkin
      Alexey Polyutkin 29 September 2020 14: 06
      +5
      What kind of nonsense are you dear here on?
      1. RVAPatriot
        RVAPatriot 29 September 2020 14: 32
        +2
        Just a gag without meaning, without evidence and justification for such a conclusion
    2. hrych
      hrych 29 September 2020 14: 29
      +5
      Lagged behind, bro, from life. From drones already left - zilch.
    3. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 29 September 2020 15: 13
      -4
      did you have such a dream today?
    4. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 29 September 2020 16: 20
      0
      Iskander can behead the government of Azerbaijan. Tactically, this could play a more significant role than Azerbaijan's light attack drones.
    5. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 29 September 2020 16: 40
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Further - the "domino effect".

      It's autumn, and the rain is knocking on the window ..(C). wassat
      1. iouris
        iouris 29 September 2020 19: 45
        +1
        Okay. Let's wait a few more time. This process will not last long.
  • HAM
    HAM 29 September 2020 13: 42
    30
    I read a small post by Margarita Simonyan, something like this: "Well, what about Pashinyan, will new friends help you, or, as always, will you run to Moscow to cry!?" - not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ...
    1. Roman13579
      Roman13579 29 September 2020 13: 44
      -7
      It's good for her, already sitting in Moscow to write this ..))
      1. HAM
        HAM 29 September 2020 13: 47
        15
        Roman, Margarita is a Kuban Armenian from Krasnodar. Kuban and visiting Armenians differ diametrically ...
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 29 September 2020 15: 04
          -13 qualifying.
          Simonyan is an ordinary selling magazine * luha, to listen and watch which is not to respect yourself. Together with Solovyov, one of the most unpleasant figures among Russian propagandists.
          1. Spartanec
            Spartanec 29 September 2020 15: 48
            12
            You know, insulting a woman is at least simply indecent. Don't like it, don't look or listen. But do not be worse than a sl * hee insulting a person with a different point of view and also a woman !!!
            1. Megatron
              Megatron 29 September 2020 22: 58
              -10 qualifying.


              This is your "Kuban Armenian", or whatever it is. Eats and drinks on taxes of ordinary Russians, lives on the ruble and hangs up noodles.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 30 September 2020 09: 10
                -4
                As you can see, judging by the downsides, the local puppies are ready to eat shit, if only it was seasoned with praises of the current government and pictures of the United States. It is especially pleasing when it turns out that patriotic obscenities are not averse to going to the West they slander and buying activists there for every fireman. I would not be surprised if soon Simonyanshi will find a real estate in Miami or an apartment in Manhattan. Why is she worse than the patriots Solovyov and Brilev with villas in Italy and British citizenship or an even greater patriot and colleague Simonyansha Gabrelyanov with an apartment in the center of Paris?
            2. Greenwood
              Greenwood 30 September 2020 08: 54
              -3
              It's a cheap trick to remember that she is a woman. If she is a woman, then let her husband cook borscht in the kitchen, eh? And if she takes on an important job, then get it on a par with the men. And I don't really care if she is a woman or a man in this context. The fact that she is a corrupt propagandist of Putin's thieves' power on a par with Solovyov is a fact, and she is a woman or a man, in this case it does not matter to me.
              1. Spartanec
                Spartanec 30 September 2020 14: 40
                +2
                A cheap trick is to forget that a woman is a woman. I wrote about insults addressed to a woman. You are as much a propagandist as she is with one difference. By using insults, you become a cheap propagandist. Yes, she gets a lot of money for the line that she promotes. So what? First of all, I don't know a single journalist who would do it differently, the only difference is who pays him! Secondly, absolutely ALL STATES are engaged in propaganda THROUGH THE MEDIA CONTROLLED BY THEM !!! And not to understand this can only, well, or think that, for example, the Western media are true. In the West, lies in the media are several orders of magnitude more than ours. A smart person should be able to simply analyze information and filter out propaganda. And as for me, propaganda is needed !!! It is the basis of any state, for example, the "American Dream" what is it? Purely American propaganda has nothing to do with reality. And for example Simonyan can be respected only for the fact that while you were fighting on the couch with the phone, she was leading a live report under bullets during the seizure of a school in Beslan. When you do something like that so that everyone knows I and respect you, regardless of your point of view.
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 30 September 2020 16: 31
                  -3
                  I repeat, for the gifted:
                  Quote: Spartanec
                  A cheap trick is to forget that a woman is a woman.
                  For me, Simonyan is, first of all, the head of a TV channel that receives huge subsidies from the budget and is engaged in outright manipulation of facts, lies (on which he was caught more than once, google if you want) and banal propaganda. If she were a man, the attitude would be the same. I already wrote above, her colleagues in the workshop Solovyov, Kiselev, Brilev, Gabrelyanov, Sheinin cause no less disgust.
                  Quote: Spartanec
                  Firstly, I do not know a single journalist who would do it differently, the only difference is who pays him!
                  And why should she receive subsidies from the state in the amount of almost 20 billion rubles ??? Is there nowhere to put money in Russia? All roads were built, hospitals and schools were repaired, gas was supplied to the population, right? Well, let RT go to self-sufficiency, if, as she says, they have a mega-popular channel with a huge audience (which of course is not true). Let him earn on advertising, like many Western channels. But no, we get money from the state budget and use it to do business and lead a luxurious life.
                  Quote: Spartanec
                  Secondly, absolutely ALL STATES are engaged in propaganda THROUGH THE MEDIA CONTROLLED BY THEM !!! And not to understand this can only, well, or think that, for example, the Western media are true.
                  Russian propaganda is completely false and hypocritical, if only by the fact that the propagandists themselves, vilifying the hated West, do not crawl out of the West itself. As for Simonyanshi, she is also successfully mastering taxpayers' money for her own projects and a luxurious life.
                  And yes, in order not to go far, read about your favorite magazine * luhu and her hubby with his vile show: https://parasites.navalny.com
                  And the video is:
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 29 September 2020 15: 03
        +9
        Margot is good, they tried to set her up against Russia in the states, but she turned out to be a tough nut to crack, unlike many purebred Russians.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 September 2020 18: 30
          -2
          Quote: Ros 56
          Margot is great,

          Of course, only a fine fellow can master budget money like that! laughing And her husband is so handsome in general, such a trash, again, at the state expense, removes, even if you stand, even if you fall, it is complete blackened.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 29 September 2020 18: 37
            +5
            Is he stealing? And how does Venediktov use Gazprom's money from Ekho Moskvy, and many other liberals, do you not outrage?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 September 2020 18: 40
              -3
              Quote: Ros 56
              Doesn't it outrage you?

              I am outraged by the fact that the alleged state Gazprom maintains Echo of Moscow, and only then the echo assimilates this money. Margot masters them in the best Rogozin style.
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 29 September 2020 18: 48
                +8
                There is no need for dirt, Margot fur wool in the west both in the tail and in the mane, and with their own weapons, RT and Sputnik are popular over the hill, so they rage. And Tigran, yes, sometimes sinks below the plinth, but nevertheless, he invests his five kopecks in the fight against the liberals. I don't like a lot of things either, but as they say, for lack of a stamp, I have to write on plain paper.
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 30 September 2020 08: 59
                  -4
                  Quote: Ros 56
                  Margot wool the west in both tail and mane
                  Yeah, funny. RT has already been caught so many times on falsification of facts and outright lies that nobody is impressed by their "hair in tail and mane".
                  Quote: Ros 56
                  RT and Sputnik are popular over the hill, so they are furious.
                  We have already written about how popular RT is in real life. Take their YouTube channel, where you can clearly see that they wind up views and buy comments. The investigation was carried out by the FBK.
                  Quote: Ros 56
                  And Tigran, yes, sometimes falls below the plinth
                  Those. you think it's normal. Moreover, at the expense of taxpayers. I categorically disagree that this clown receives money from the state for his obscenities.
                  Quote: Ros 56
                  he invests his five kopecks in the fight against the liberals.
                  And who are our liberals? Please surname.
                  1. Ros 56
                    Ros 56 30 September 2020 09: 50
                    +3
                    Look at yourself in the mirror, this is the first one.
  • taiga2018
    taiga2018 29 September 2020 13: 43
    17
    This conflict once again shows all the hypocrisy of Western countries. Remember that Pashinyan came to power as a result of popular protests, that is, a method that is so welcomed in the West, which means he is such a democratic leader that it is impossible to find more democratic, which means, in theory, all The "civilized" world should have, like everyone, unconditionally supported Armenia and branded Azerbaijan and Aliyev personally, who received power by inheritance, but this is not happening ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 29 September 2020 13: 52
      0
      Quote: taiga2018
      Remember that Pashinyan came to power as a result of popular protests,

      Well, yes, but the previous authorities were not at all to blame for the fact that they wanted and were able to demolish?
      It's like our other neighbor, a mustache and on his own mind ...
  • Eugene-Eugene
    29 September 2020 13: 48
    0
    Quote: iouris
    Karabakh will be surrendered to Azerbaijan

  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 29 September 2020 13: 58
    +3
    OTP by default are "hypersonic", but the maximum speed is more than 2 km / s - (just 7-8M)
  • kris_67
    kris_67 29 September 2020 14: 06
    -4
    "the Armenian leadership has declared its readiness to use OTRK against Turkey" - suicides!
    1. the finish
      the finish 29 September 2020 14: 27
      -1
      But the spirit is enough to say something like that. for some, and this is not only a concern.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 29 September 2020 14: 37
    +4
    Excerpts from the US press can be regarded only as incitement to unleash a full-fledged conflict in the Transcaucasus!
  • Maz
    Maz 29 September 2020 14: 40
    +3
    Quote: Livonetc
    Azerbaijan acquired Solntsepek.
    He used it in the conflict.
    Armenia acquired Iskander.
    Its use will be quite reasonable when applied to the targets appropriate to the threat.

    All this is fine, until Turkey got into the matter with its planes, Armenia has nothing against them, given that the S-400 has been studied by the Turks, the S-300 that Artsakh has will crash first. I would not use Iskander, it’s only useful if it contains a nuclear weapon, even at the airfield, along the runway ... The runway will be restored in less than a day. And the planes will be used from Turkish airfields. Plus, those two Bayraktars that have been constantly hanging in the sky since the night of the conflict and tracking all movements in Armenian territory. Having UMAS missiles with a range of 8 km in the unlimited supply of the Turks, it will be very difficult for the Armenians to resist the massive raids of the Turkish Air Force if they support the Iizer ground operation. And this is where everything goes.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 1 October 2020 12: 06
      0
      A half-ton cassette is also a very harsh option.
  • bogart047
    bogart047 29 September 2020 14: 47
    -2
    let them test the weapon in real conditions. Will end - sell new
  • Maz
    Maz 29 September 2020 14: 47
    +3
    Quote: Livonetc
    Azerbaijan acquired Solntsepek.
    He used it in the conflict.
    Armenia acquired Iskander.
    Its use will be quite reasonable when applied to the targets appropriate to the threat.

    And here is the goal of the Iskander ........... The Turkish lira has once again reached a record low against the dollar. In Asian trading on Tuesday September 29th, USDTRY climbed to 7,8518.

    ▪️Fighting between Azerbaijan and Armenia puts pressure on the lira, as Turkey supported Azerbaijan in this conflict.
    ▪️ Against the backdrop of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, the lira (-12,7%) and the Russian ruble (-11%) were the weakest emerging market currencies in Q3 a few days before its end.
    ▪️The oil and gas markets have not shown a significant reaction to the conflict between countries over the disputed territory, since due to the pandemic, global energy demand is much lower than usual.

    ❗️Azerbaijan is the second largest oil producer in the Caspian Sea region. Export pipelines run 20 km from the border with Armenia. The explosion of the pipeline with the ensuing environmental disaster is one of the options for the dramatic outcome of the current conflict.

    Azerbaijan exports a large share of its oil via the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline to an export oil terminal in Turkey.
    Natural gas is mainly exported via the South Caucasus pipeline to Georgia and Turkey and should begin to enter the EU market at the end of this year.
    © 2020 [Bloomberg] (https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFgPdg_gmFNPOhYEJg)
    1. smart fellow
      smart fellow 30 September 2020 06: 34
      +2
      And in response, the Armenian NPP with two VVER-440 reactors will be bombed. And who will be worse? Although then the war will end. Armenians will go to Russia for treatment, Azerbaijanis will go to Turkey, Georgians will probably go to the United States.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 29 September 2020 18: 35
    0
    With strikes by Iskander-E OTRK, if they are really subordinate to the Armenian Defense Ministry, the Armenians will not be able to solve ANY military tasks. All he can do to help them is a blow to the infrastructure of Azerbaijan, the gateway of the Mingechevir reservoir is most often remembered. Well, let them try, the population of Azerbaijan will die downstream, they are not the first to bathe in the blood of old men, women and children. One BUT, only after that talk to talk and stories to tell about the fact that it is supposedly a blow from the "NKR Self-Defense Forces" that bought the Iskander-E OTRK in Voentorg laughing there will simply be no one, and no CSTO will help there after that.

    Anyone on the map, look Lord "strategists" laughing that there is that Karabakh and that there is that Armenia. No Turks and F-16s are needed there for a hundred years. If the F-16s have only one task, let's speak frankly, but just to prevent the intervention of a third party, which the Russian Foreign Ministry so often mentions, I will not point a finger who it is, on the side of the occupier, Armenia.

    While Azerbaijan followed the lead of the "peacekeepers" and hoped to resolve the issue peacefully, including out of respect for Russia, the Armenians, sitting behind a broad Russian back, talked for a long time about the spirit and other things of the Armenian warrior, and about the weak askers in their knees - well, so what's the question? Let them show in practice. Moreover, let us turn to the reports of their Defense Ministry of Armenia once again - in two days they have already destroyed a quarter of the armored forces of Azerbaijan, a couple of three more days, well, a week at most, so they will kill the entire Azerbaijani army. What is the problem then? Let the heroic Armenian army fight, do not tie their hands.
    Iskander-E OTRK Want to Hit? - do not hold back, well, at least tears of laughter laughing , let them beat, well ... let them catch the answer wink
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub 29 September 2020 18: 49
    -2
    That's what I am absolutely absolutely sure of, so that the Armenians really do not spoil Azerbaijanis at all. Azerbaijanis are not warriors, hucksters are hucksters. Now a little more blood will be shed and Azeris will flee to Russia as in the 90s from military conscription.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 29 September 2020 23: 02
      +5


      And who are Armenians, not hucksters? The other day, the Azeri traders did not allow Armenian traders to enter their markets, they ran to the traders in the government of non-rubber, so that those traders ordered the Azeri traders to let the Armenian traders in.
      1. Nadrub
        Nadrub 30 September 2020 06: 46
        +2
        :) Yes, at least minus yourself!
        I repeat (as a direct participant in the first Karabakh events) I will say this: you can bomb and fire from above for a long time, but without infantry on the ground, the territory cannot be recaptured and held. Azerbaijanis are not getting anything in Karabakh. Read at your leisure the chronology of the conflict in the 90s and you will understand everything :)
  • Isim soyad
    Isim soyad 30 September 2020 12: 37
    0
    Article of the "Federal News Agency" RF. Here it is written in detail why, for what, and precisely at the end of September. To all amateurs, supporters and those who prefer the Armenian side, I advise you to just read.

    Will Nikol Pashinyan sit on two chairs?
    https://riafan.ru/1315931-usidit-li-nikol-pashinyan-na-dvukh-stulyakh-kolonka-evgeniya-benya?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fpulse.mail.ru&utm_source=pulse_mail_ru
    1. Machito
      Machito 30 September 2020 23: 56
      0
      Quote: Isim Soyad
      Article of the "Federal News Agency" RF. Here it is written in detail why, for what, and precisely at the end of September. To all amateurs, supporters and those who prefer the Armenian side, I advise you to just read.

      Will Nikol Pashinyan sit on two chairs?
      https://riafan.ru/1315931-usidit-li-nikol-pashinyan-na-dvukh-stulyakh-kolonka-evgeniya-benya?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fpulse.mail.ru&utm_source=pulse_mail_ru

      Russia, by and large, will still win or there will be a draw. We, in principle, do not need a conflict of any countries near our borders, especially between our former compatriots, therefore the Russians are sincerely interested in peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan. The world should be fair, so both sides need to meet each other. Solving this problem is extremely difficult due to mutual accusations, territorial claims and shed blood, therefore this conflict has been going on for 30 years, and there is no end in sight. The only solution could be the creation of a confederation of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh, with the creation of common armed forces and the possible compulsion of Georgia to join the Transcaucasian Confederation by economic means. The Confederation will become a rather powerful political and economic entity, occupying one of the key geographical points on the map of the World and the Great Silk Road. And so the entire Transcaucasia is one of the goals of Russian policy in the Great Game, and Russia is vitally interested in the accession of Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia to the union state of Russia and Belarus. Despite Armenia's participation in the CSTO, in my opinion, an alliance with Azerbaijan for Russia looks more attractive than an alliance with Armenia, due to the presence of oil and gas in Azerbaijan, because such an alliance will make it possible to force Armenia and Georgia into an alliance by economic means, through energy blackmail, and will significantly strengthen Russia in the Great Game with the Anglo-Saxons.
  • ole1
    ole1 30 September 2020 18: 10
    0
    Quote: hrych
    So, tank against tank is nonsense and nonsense. Anti-tank service works against tanks


    That's just in the ammunition of modern tanks there are sub-caliber shells and cumulative. Probably everything is to burn armored vehicles
  • Motorhead
    Motorhead 30 September 2020 23: 58
    0
    ,, speech did not go ,, - but still scary.