Armenia is ready to use "large-radius" weapons in Karabakh

Armenia is ready to apply in Karabakh weapon a large radius of destruction in response to the use of heavy weapons by Azerbaijan. This is stated in the message of the Ministry of Defense of the country.

As press secretary of the Armenian military department Shushan Stepanyan stated, the use of long-range weapons will be a response to Azerbaijan's use of flamethrower systems, large-caliber artillery and Smerch multiple launch rocket launchers. At the same time, it is not specified what kind of weapon Armenia plans to use.

The Ministry of Defense warns that the Armenian Armed Forces are forced to use means of fire destruction and military equipment of a wide radius to destroy manpower, movable and immovable property, military equipment in large areas

- stated in the Armenian Ministry of Defense.

Earlier, Armenia did not rule out the use of Iskander OTRK on the territory of Karabakh.

At the same time, Yerevan does not exclude the start of large-scale military operations on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border. According to the representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry Artsrun Hovhannisyan, the Armenian armed forces are ready to conduct such military operations.

We are absolutely not ruling anything out. Our Armed Forces, including in the Nakhichevan direction, are combat-ready and ready to carry out the tasks assigned to them

- he said.

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[Looking Petrovich]

They will start bombing Adjika.

[Thrall]

Armenia has Iskander. And Azerbaijan has oil industry facilities.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Thrall

Armenia has Iskander. And Azerbaijan has oil industry facilities.

And the Armenians have a nuclear power plant

[Doccor18]

And the Armenians have a nuclear power plant

Well, well?
Only a lunatic will bomb a neighbor's nuclear power plant. The fruits of this attack will then be reaped together, for 200 years ...

[Insurgent]

Armenia is ready to use large-radius weapons in Karabakh in response to the use of heavy weapons by Azerbaijan. This is stated in the message of the Ministry of Defense of the country.

The destruction of an Armenian regular bus in the Vardenis region can also serve as a reason for the use of long-range systems. This is already the territory of Armenia.

[miru mir]

this is the territory of Karabakh. they say the bus with the militias was covered

[vVvAD]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: Thrall

Armenia has Iskander. And Azerbaijan has oil industry facilities.

And the Armenians have a nuclear power plant

https://topcor.ru/16676-nebo-nad-erevanom-kontrolirujut-rossijskie-mig-29.html?yrwinfo=1601383599439271-742248211484147727100275-production-app-host-vla-web-yp-90
Only now something is not heard about the patrolling of Azerbaijani facilities by Turkish F-16s.

Quote: Doccor18

And the Armenians have a nuclear power plant

Well, well?
Only a lunatic will bomb a neighbor's nuclear power plant. The fruits of this attack will then be reaped together, for 200 years ...

And, yes: there will be no such problems with Turkish facilities

[dmmyak40]

I doubt that Baku has means of destruction capable of damaging the power unit. Attacking (with a certain degree of success), for example, switchgear, cooling towers can damage the power unit - it is unlikely. There, the thickness of monolithic reinforced concrete is such that at our Volgodonsk NPP, the wall was poured around the clock for a very long time. Only to stop the work, although this will be a lot for Armenia.
I hope there are no idiots to shoot at nuclear power plants. Although the example of Ukraine says that there are enough insane people in words ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: dmmyak40

the thickness of monolithic reinforced concrete is such that at our Volgodonsk NPP, the wall was poured around the clock for a very long time.

You, at the Rostov NPP, had an incident a few years ago that, at least, should make you think that in order for a reactor to run apart, it is not at all necessary to physically break its vessel.
Then, in 2014, due to problems with the electrical part (not with the reactor) and the subsequent incorrect operation of the automation related to this part, the turbines were left without load and, since the power remained the same, they began to accelerate uncontrollably. Their physical destruction could have occurred. It is good that at the same time, the automation of the reactors worked normally, muffling their work.
Now imagine if, as a result of a strike on a nuclear power plant, an external system is damaged, which is not hidden in the concrete box of the reactor, but is responsible for its operation. As a result, the reactor can start operating in an abnormal mode, because the automation that controls it will be destroyed. This may well be the beginning of a tragedy.

[Garris199]

They will hit the nuclear power plant and in a day their radioactive asses will be torn to small pieces. This will be the last day of the Armed Forces of the former Azerbaijan.

[stone]

And Azerbaijan has LORAS.

[miru mir]

Iskander and Azerbaijan have like

[Protos]

They already have Adzhika in 31 TOS and RZO "Smerch".
There are also 12 combat-ready launchers "TochkaU" and "Elbrus"!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

They will start bombing Adjika.

If the Kremlin does not intervene and slows down the course of events, then in a very short time, a local military conflict will develop into a full-scale war on the scale of Syria.
The Turk has already identified himself in this conflict ... and he doesn't care about our interests. It is necessary to sit down now, otherwise after the flywheel of the war it will be much more difficult to unwind and stop it.

[Tochilka]

No matter how nuclear is unleashed, starting to shoot missiles. Dangerous by Objects.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Tochilka

No matter how nuclear is unleashed, starting to shoot missiles. Dangerous by Objects.

Quote: dmmyak40

I hope there are no idiots to shoot at nuclear power plants. Although the example of Ukraine says that there are enough insane people in words ...

The Skakly have already boasted that, in the event of a full-scale aggression by Russia against Ukraine, they have 15 stationary nuclear charges of high power - according to the number of nuclear power units operating in Ukraine. It is clear that it was not even a person who could say this - a creature trained to speak, but completely devoid of brains.

The devil knows what these people will think of? I do not exclude even the most delusional scenarios. Well, for example, the masters of provocations from the "City on the Hill" will somehow arrange an explosion at the nuclear power plant in Armenia, blame Russia for this and move the Azerbaijanis forward to take control of potentially dangerous Armenian objects in order to prevent a man-made disaster.

Rave? Undoubted. But we met even more delusional. For example, how in 2001 a Boeing crashed into the Pentagon building made a 5-meter hole and then evaporated. It doesn't matter - delirium or not delirium. Nobody will understand. They just find the "guilty" and that's it ...

[Zug]

There is no one to upset. Chely earns loot and businessmen are more accustomed to everything.

[Victorio]

Quote: Zug

There is no one to upset. Chely earns loot and businessmen are more accustomed to everything.

===
first, each side will shoot its own weapons, then sit down for negotiations

[Maz]

On the side of Turkey during the war: cargo planes between Azerbaijan and Israel

A few words about Israel and its lousy role in this conflict.

Recall that four years ago a gigantic deal was signed on the supply of arms to Azerbaijan. Its scope was revealed by the President of Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev, during Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to Baku in 2016.
The deal surprised even Israel's own security services - for FIVE billion dollars ... Transport planes still carry military cargo to Turkey, from where it is all forwarded to BAKU.

Full text of investigative journalism here

https://www.vesty.co.il/main/article/SyLbbF118w
As a rule, Israel prefers not to advertise its deals in eastern countries, especially with those that are in a state of conflict with their neighbors. However, this time it was not possible to do this, and the information about the deal caused surprise even in the security system of Israel itself.
According to publications, Azerbaijanis purchased weapons from Israel for $5 billion... This is comparable to the annual turnover of a large defense concern in Israel.
Over the past two years, within the framework of defense cooperation, Azerbaijani transport planes have arrived at the Uvda airfield, where they loaded themselves with equipment. Sometimes these were Il-76 planes of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, and sometimes transport planes of the state airline Silk Way Airlines.
On September 24, before the start of the current round of confrontation in Nagorno-Karabakh, two transport planes arrived from Baku landed in Israel. Another arrived in the morning of September 30, despite the appeal of the Armenian side, which demanded that Israel stop arming the Azerbaijani army. He also landed at Ovda, arriving for a defense cargo.
Thus, Israel, at least on a practical level within the framework of the Caucasian confrontation, found itself on the same side with Turkey, which provides all-round support to Azerbaijan.

The strategic advantages that Israel receives from interaction with Azerbaijan are not detailed, however, foreign sources have reported about intelligence operations conducted by Israel from the territory of Azerbaijan against Iran. The same sources also mentioned military airfields on the territory of Azerbaijan used by the Israeli Air Force.
Earlier, we will remind, the former Minister of Defense and ex-Foreign Minister of Israel Avigdor Lieberman (NDI) in an interview with Vesti spoke in detail about the essence of Israeli-Azerbaijani relations.

[Trapp1st]

The Armenians are doing badly. Yes, and Azerbaijan began to strike at the territory of Armenia. Everything is going crazy.

[Blacksmith 55]

I don't know who started the first hostilities now, both sides blame each other. And the conflict itself has long been "smoldering", and could flare up at any moment, which unfortunately happened.
But this war, neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis, I am sure do not need. Yes, and Russia.
Russia needs to put pressure on both sides, empty peace negotiations will finally begin. This problem must finally be solved.
It will not be easy, I am sure, but with a strong desire on both sides, it is possible.

[Lesorub]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

I don't know who started the first hostilities now, both sides blame each other. And the conflict itself has long been "smoldering", and could flare up at any moment, which unfortunately happened.
But this war, neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis, I am sure do not need

A third party could act as the lawyer - which is beneficial for disinfection in this region.

[Zug]

What will Russia put pressure on? It has no pressure for a long time "outside."

[ism_ek]

Quote: Trapp1st

The Armenians are doing badly.

The Armenians were dominating. Soviet weapons systems are not capable of withstanding Azerbaijan's modern strike weapons. Air defense of Karabakh destroyed.
No one will strike at the oil infrastructure, since its owners live in the United States.

[Trapp1st]

are not able to withstand modern strike weapons of Azerbaijan.

This was obvious for a long time, Azerbaijan has more financial opportunities, due to objective reasons.

[Florian geyer]

Nonsense. Just complete. This air defense was not even involved. And the only modern strike weapons in Azerbaijan are the same Soviet and Russian (well, a bit foreign) artillery and MLRS. It's funny to read about drones. Especially about any Bayraktars. It's like the pilot Bulochkin in the Heavenly Slugger manually throwing bombs The main German headquarters bombed ...

[Florian geyer]

Nonsense. Just complete. This air defense was not even involved. And the only modern strike weapons in Azerbaijan are the same Soviet and Russian (well, a bit foreign) artillery and MLRS. It's funny to read about drones. Especially about any Bayraktars. It's like the pilot Bulochkin in the Heavenly Slugger manually throwing bombs The main German headquarters bombed ...

[Kot_Kuzya]

Russia does not need to intervene in this conflict. The American puppet Pashinyan, who came to power through the Maidan in 2018, is deliberately fanning the war with Azerbaijan so that Russia sided with Armenia as a member of the CSTO. Let the Armenians themselves feel the consequences of their riding for this American puppet on their own skin.

[BIABIA]

And the Americans are still silent ...
There is such an opinion:

"The deployment of US peacekeepers in Nagorno-Karabakh is an integral part of the plan to invade Iran. The US troops withdrawn from Afghanistan will be deployed in Azerbaijan. The US war with Iran may begin with large-scale operations of Azerbaijani troops in Nagorno-Karabakh. After that, US troops will enter Nagorno-Karabakh. with a peacekeeping purpose. And then these "peacekeepers" will take part in the military campaign against Iran. Nobody in the US is going to actually solve the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, they only need territory to locate a military base. This is such a simple, but at the same time insidious plan."

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: BIABIA

There is such an opinion:
"The deployment of US peacekeepers in Nagorno-Karabakh is an integral part of the plan to invade Iran.

This view is at odds with Trump's claims that America is no longer an international gendarme. And with his actions, Trump confirms what has been said. Withdraws its troops from Germany, Afghanistan and Iraq.
The destruction of Iran is a plan of a completely different headquarters.

[paul3390]

On the one hand, I really don't want to interfere. To be honest, neither side evokes any sympathy. But if the Turks really fit in for Azerbaijan, or at least significantly strengthen their military presence there, I'm afraid we will have no choice. We'll have to take the side of Armenia. For Russia cannot admit Turkish military bases in the Caspian. As well as Iran. Only we didn’t have enough of them .. So everything now depends on Aliyev, to what extent he is ready to rock the situation ..

[Lontus]

Quote: paul3390

if the Turks really fit in for Azerbaijan, or at least significantly strengthen their military presence there, I'm afraid we will have no choice.

Well, yes, you cannot fit in for the Russians in Ukraine, but for the Armenians you can: "we will have no choice"

Quote: paul3390

Russia cannot allow Turkish military bases in the Caspian.

Can foreign military bases in Russian Chernigov, Kharkov and Mariupol be allowed?

[paul3390]

Why are you writing this to me? Contact Putin in the Kremlin, he was the one who poured the Russian Spring into the toilet .. If it were my will, only Zapadenschina would remain from Tsegabonia now.

[Lontus]

Quote: paul3390

Why are you writing this to me? Contact Putin in the Kremlin, he was the one who poured the Russian Spring into the toilet .. If it were my will, only Zapadenschina would remain from Tsegabonia now.

I am writing this to you, because until the problems of Russians in the area of ​​historical Russia (Ukraine, Belarus, northern Kazakhstan, etc.) are completely resolved, it is a crime to urge to climb somewhere else.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: paul3390

if the Turks really fit in for Azerbaijan, or at least significantly strengthen their military presence there, I'm afraid we will have no choice. We'll have to take the side of Armenia.

Pavel, it is enough to recall the shot down SU-24 and the assassination of Ambassador Andrei Karlov to understand that Russia will do everything so that the events in the Caucasus do not turn into a disaster.

[Kronos]

Nonsense is Azerbaijan, feeling Turkey's support, is becoming impudent.

[the finish]

A former representative of the US-controlled group "Revolutionary Commandos" (partly former FSA, area of ​​responsibility - the area of ​​the base Al-Tanf) reports on the details of the transfer of Syrian militants to Azerbaijan.
About 10 days ago, the first militants of the Turkish-controlled groups from the so-called "Syrian National Army" arrived in Azerbaijan to participate in battles against the Armed Forces of Armenia / NKR.
About 150 Failak al-Sham jihadists from Syrian Afrin, occupied by Turkey, were among the first to arrive in Azerbaijan. The transfer was carried out aboard a Turkish Air Force military transport aircraft.
Syrian militants are allegedly based on 2 islands in the Caspian Sea, where they are taught fire and tactical training.

[jovanni]

So they want to drag Russia into their showdown ...

[fn34440]

"They just want to drag Russia into their showdown"
Traditionally, the fighting spirit of the Armenian military is higher, but Azerbaijan has more equipment. As for Russia's position, strangely enough, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev has a better relationship with Russian leader Vladimir Putin than Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan. Diasporas of Armenia and Azerbaijan in Russia are comparable in size and lobbying potential, but Russia has more economic interests in Azerbaijan than in Armenia. But Russia would not want to lose either Baku or Yerevan.

[_Sergei_]

I do not consider the Azeris to be good warriors, but the Turks are behind them. Also, mercenaries from Syria who know how to fight.

[halpat]

Quote: _Sergey_

I do not consider the Azeris to be good warriors, but the Turks are behind them. Also, mercenaries from Syria who know how to fight.

And the Turks are just super warriors, you might think.
Not a single major war has been won over the past 300 years. Peaceful population to cut it, yes, here few people can compete with them. I agree.

[_Sergei_]

It's just that the Azerbaijanis will not climb themselves, and the Turks will push them.

[serzh.kost]

more broadly, this is a struggle between the long-time bitter rivals of Russia and Turkey. The Turks are trying to gain a foothold in the Transcaucasus, and there, as things go, they can further spread their claims.
and Russia with such a policy of "non-interference" and the desire to sit on all the chairs will soon be finally thrown out from everywhere, so that they will not be able to stick their nose out of their border and will completely surround them with military bases.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: serzh.kost

and Russia with such a policy of "non-interference" and the desire to sit on all the chairs will soon be finally thrown out from everywhere, so that they will not be able to stick their nose out of their border and will completely surround them with military bases.

Why such pessimism? Where was Russia kicked out from? From Crimea, Syria or Venezuela?

[Scorpio05]

Traditionally? What are the traditions of the Armenians?) Their life) 2000 years, where were their traditions until the Russians appeared in the Caucasus?

[stalki]

So they want to drag Russia into their showdown ...

Russia is not needed there. That would then reproach as a member of the CSTO and leave it. And it is quite possible to ask for help from the swordsman. Well, everything is clear there, military cooperation, the contingent and, as a result, the base under our border. Well, or the second option of the Amer ... s will suit the same, a long bloody, unabated conflict, and even with Turkish influence on the one hand, right at our side.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Jovanni

So they want to drag Russia into their showdown ...

exactly! They want!
And the question arises --- who wants to? somehow everything is very synchronous and suspicious ---- only one thing will subside a little, which attracts negativity to Russia, and then something else happens, which again has to do with Russia, requires Russia's attention, and even funds, resources. There is practically no respite.

[alexmach]

And this, by the way, has long been forewarned. That the pressure on Russia is noticeably stronger. And the quiet existence of recent years is not to be seen.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: alexmach

And this, by the way, has long been forewarned. That the pressure on Russia is noticeably stronger. And the quiet existence of recent years is not to be seen.

Creating tension around Russia in one way or another

[alexmach]

Quote: Reptiloid

Creating tension around Russia in one way or another

By the way, judging by the handwriting of your work. :)

[Reptiloid]

Quote: alexmach

Quote: Reptiloid

Creating tension around Russia in one way or another

By the way, judging by the handwriting of your work. :)

???????????? more precisely, pzhlst,

[alexmach]

Yes, it's full with such a nickname to pretend to be a fool. :)

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Jovanni

So they want to drag Russia into their showdown ...

It would be more accurate to say: the Third Force wants to drag Russia into THEIR showdown.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

The mess has gone. The war will not end in two days.

[Woodman]

We are absolutely not ruling out anything. Our aircraft, including those in the Nakhichevan direction,

In the event of an escalation of the conflict, the Armenian strike on Nakhichevan is quite logical for forcing Azerbaijan to peace. Equally, it would be logical, in case of a large-scale success in Karabakh, Baku's attempt to break through a corridor to this territory, while cutting off Armenia from Iran.
And the conflict can be extinguished by the forces of one of our Caspian flotilla, but that means getting Azerbaijan, hostile for many years ...

[serzh.kost]

you can't sit on all the chairs. however, some try to do it no matter what ...

[jovanni]

Quote: Lesovik

And the conflict can be extinguished by the forces of one of our Caspian flotilla, but this means getting Azerbaijan, hostile for many years.

If we start putting out the conflict with our military forces, both of them will become hostile. Everyone will say that Russia should have helped them, but took it and prevented them from winning. Even now it is not very friendly as those that others ...

[Woodman]

Quote: Jovanni

Even now it is not very friendly as those that others ...

That is why there is no need to rush.

[Keyser soze]

If we start putting out the conflict with our military forces, both of them will become hostile. Everyone will say that Russia should

Yes, you give ... want to be loved ?! But who loves empires in general - do you think the Romans loved (you tell him, he will crucify you on the cross) or did they love the Spaniards, the British, or now the Americans? Yes, look at one official European poll, they are on the website of the European Commission - yes, there is a complete population in Europe thinks amers for hellish creatures. Become an empire again - you will not care. Everything is as it should be and nothing goes out of hand ...

[jovanni]

Yes, you give ... want to be loved ?!

Yes, I don't need their love. And I want my two sons (both reserve officers) to calmly bring up their children, and not go picking up weapons again, to separate the overly inflated "brothers". Risking my life ...

[Krasnodar]

In case of an attack on Nakhichevan, the Turks will intervene.

[Woodman]

Quote: Krasnodar

In case of an attack on Nakhichevan, the Turks will intervene.

Quite possibly.

[x.andvlad]

Russia cannot interfere by military means. She only has a way of putting pressure on Erdogan. But he is very determined, and it will be very difficult to talk to him. We need to look for levers of pressure on Erdogan. The Azerbaijanis felt strong support from him.

[Woodman]

Quote: x.andvlad

We need to look for leverage on Erdogan

They are. For example, you can organize the offensive of the SAR on Idlib. Finding a suitable excuse is not a problem.

[X-factor]

Erdogan will easily give up Idlib for the sake of Karabakh.

[Oquzyurd]

"Armenian strike on Nakhichevan is quite logical" Is it okay that 60 km from the territory of Nakhchivan to Yerevan will be answered? Do you think they will just watch the missiles flying in their direction and will not answer?

[7,62x54]

It is high time to send a reply to the Ottomans. Because the Tornado, TOS, and Peonies have already been used by the Azeri.

[the finish]

The Armenian Armed Forces returned the Lelletepe Hill, which had been lost in 2016.

[C0ba1tum]

For some reason, everyone forgets that there is still a kraken Erdoganych nearby, who will not sit quietly, and who kicks Aliyev in the ass and urges him on for a blitzkrieg. Idlib greens were also brought there for the "zaborost 'shawarma". It seems to me that as soon as we are pulled in there, non-brothers from 404 will immediately rush to Donbass. Plus, after the use of Iskander by the Armenians - it can already fly to the Armenian nuclear power plant. And Pashinyan is still a priest Gapon

[garri-lin]

But it is advisable to take Russian NPPs under protection. Simply by providing air defense. Well, and hint that if there are attempts to strike, we will suppress. This is no longer a question of the conflicting parties, but of the entire region.

[paul3390]

If they hit the nuclear power plant, they will be viciously beaten by all the neighbors, without exception, even the Turks .. Nobody needs radioactive ruins near their border ...

[Tamparu]

Quote: Karenius

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Let the Armenians themselves feel the consequences of their galloping for this American puppet on their own skin.

I'm tired of saying that in the United States, power has finally come under the control of the Ashkenazi, which is like a verdict for us ... It would be right for us to create a Triple Alliance bloc: Armenia, Iran, China ...

Maybe under the control of the Sephardim? You can negotiate with the Ashkenazi. They are more sane, in my opinion.
Sincerely,

[raki-uzo]

They continue to lose important positions.
https://www.trtrussian.com/
"The Azerbaijani army is conducting fierce battles for the liberation of the city of Fizuli, occupied by Armenia," Anadolu agency reports, citing the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry.

[Baloo]

And how are they ready to use the vacuum bomb? And if Erdogan's accomplices provide a "tungsten" bomb? The Israelis ran it in the last century on the Palestinians, the consequences are terrible and painful.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Balu

And how are they ready to use the vacuum bomb? And if Erdogan's accomplices provide a "tungsten" bomb? The Israelis ran it in the last century on the Palestinians, the consequences are terrible and painful.

Details about the Israelis, can you? In the last century, the Israelis ran a very crooked, but relatively powerful, homemade Davidka mortar on Palestinian Arabs, whose mine could demolish a couple of shacks at the same time. It was in the summer, unexpectedly, at the height of the fighting, it began to rain. The Jews began to spread rumors that they had an atomic bomb. The Druze sympathizing with them whispered to the Arabs that it was raining after the use of nuclear weapons. The consequence was the flight of the Arabs from the city and surrounding villages.
As for tungsten ammunition, Amers was used in Vietnam. And nowhere else.

[Baloo]

Quote: Krasnodar

As for tungsten ammunition, Amers was used in Vietnam. And nowhere else.

I don't know about Vietnam, there was a story about the Israelis a few years ago on a star or NTV, I don't remember. This is also a volumetric ammunition. A bomb with tungsten dust is detonated, the enemy inhales hot tungsten dust, the consequences are not difficult to imagine. I don't think this conflict is short-term. Syria, Libya-Erdogan's interest-oil. What's the matter here? What's attractive in Karabakh, polymetallic ores, gold, uranium?

[Krasnodar]

Nothing of the kind has been used against the Palestinians. About Karabakh is an interethnic conflict. Both sides claim the land as their own. Azerbaijanis are taking revenge for the national humiliation of the loss of territories, a generation has already grown up in Karabakh, born in the NKR and fighting for their own home.
Interests of others:
Erdogan's "Turkish Spring";
Sale of weapons to the Russian Federation, Israel and others;
Destabilization in the region can push Armenia into the arms of the United States, or vice versa - tie it tightly to Russia.
There are no other preferences in question.

[Baloo]

Quote: Krasnodar

Destabilization in the region could push Armenia into the arms of the United States, or vice versa - tie it tightly to Russia

The US embassies in both conflict countries issued a two-day warning to American citizens not to travel to the region.

Quote: Krasnodar

Nothing of the sort has been used against Palestinians

Well, kaaaneshna, we were not there, and the journalists are lying.

[Krasnodar]

I was there until 2016. Throughout the conflict with the Palestinians, nothing heavier than tank guns and conventional aerial bombs with missiles was used against them. Well, and 155-mm art from time to time.
It’s a pity that the Russian Foreign Ministry didn’t publish such a thing about the Americans.

[Yusufjon Nuritdinov]

It is better not to interfere in their disassembly. 5_6 days they will fight and calm down when they see the bodies of the killed soldiers.

[Protos]

Quote: Trapp1st

The Armenians are doing badly. Yes, and Azerbaijan began to strike at the territory of Armenia. Everything is going crazy.

There are no strikes on the territory of Armenia, and I think there won't be!
Otherwise, the CSTO mechanism may come into force and then everyone who has not hidden will arrive!

[Sly]

Quote: Protos

There are no strikes on the territory of Armenia, and I think there won't be!

The infa has already gone, they shot in the city of Vardenis ...

[Protos]

Quote: 7,62x54

It is high time to send a reply to the Ottomans. Because the Tornado, TOS, and Peonies have already been used by the Azeri.

Fairy tales!

[nnm]

Although I remember how they began to relate to Russians in the 90s, and how recently Pashinyan fought with the Russian language, I do not want this war, deaths, or anyone's victory at all. For some reason, I want the USSR, in which no one divided the other by nationality. Yes, they poked at each other sometimes, hounded jokes, but certainly not out of a desire to humiliate or offend, but simply laughed. And they laughed at themselves without malice. And now .... worse than a pack of mad dogs.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

This is true. The territory of the former USSR can be compared with a kennel, they rush at each other, bark, fight for the thrown bones, etc. ... Someone quietly sits in his cage, barking at passers-by ..

[nnm]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

Someone quietly sits in his cage, barking at passers-by ..

Interestingly, they will greatly negate if I say that for some reason an analogy came to my mind regarding - "they do not bark, but express concern!" )))

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Banned ....

[nnm]

Localization, I think, is still not comparable. Yes, even though the news of the Caspian Sea will be flooded with oil - although Europe will lament it, in reality it will only get angry with the price of oil and gas, and the lack of cheap black caviar. But the radiation will cover them themselves.

[Protos]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: Thrall

Armenia has Iskander. And Azerbaijan has oil industry facilities.

And the Armenians have a nuclear power plant

The nuclear power plant is covered by our "Pantsir M1"

[KVU-NSVD]

The worst thing is if the Armenians start to finish on the oil fields, and the Azerbaijanis on the Armenian nuclear power plant

[nnm]

Well, the oil fields will be forgiven, but for the nuclear power plant, which can then radiate for many years in such a way that not only close, but also distant neighbors will not seem a little, I think, Azerbaijan will not be forgiven and will instantly be forced to peace.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: nnm

Well, the oil fields will be forgiven, but for the nuclear power plant, which can then radiate for many years in such a way that not only close, but also distant neighbors will not seem a little, I think, Azerbaijan will not be forgiven and will instantly be forced to peace.

The decommissioning of oil fields can cause an environmental disaster comparable to the decommissioning of a nuclear power plant.

[Skarpzd]

Quote: smith 55

I don't know who started the first hostilities now, both sides blame each other. And the conflict itself has long been "smoldering", and could flare up at any moment, which unfortunately happened.
But this war, neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis, I am sure do not need. Yes, and Russia.
Russia needs to put pressure on both sides, empty peace negotiations will finally begin. This problem must finally be solved.
It will not be easy, I am sure, but with a strong desire on both sides, it is possible.

my opinion - started Azerbaijan. Justification: Armenia, in fact, was completely satisfied with the current state of affairs. the seizure of new territories was not planned. but Azerbaijan apparently wanted to recapture its (recognized by everyone, including the Russian Federation) territories occupied by Armenia. a frozen conflict must sooner or later break out, and so it broke out. most likely not without the help of Erdogan's brother. apparently Aliyev has secured some guarantees from Turkey.
Russia is unlikely (to our great regret) at this time has such authority that its word will silence the guns.

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Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu announced Ankara's readiness to support Azerbaijan on the battlefield.

[Skarpzd]

Quote: Protos

Quote: Trapp1st

The Armenians are doing badly. Yes, and Azerbaijan began to strike at the territory of Armenia. Everything is going crazy.

There are no strikes on the territory of Armenia, and I think there won't be!
Otherwise, the CSTO mechanism may come into force and then everyone who has not hidden will arrive!

that I sincerely doubt the effectiveness of the CSTO.

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The deputy head of the country's ruling party said that any attack on Azerbaijani settlements ... is tantamount to a strike on Turkish territory

[fif21]

Here are the talkers, who puts their plans on the Internet? Do they have no concept of state secrets at all?

[fif21]

It's time for Lavrov to retire, With his "Byzantine concern" he managed to profuse both Ukraine and Georgia and Belarus.

[the finish]

"URGENT" A military transport plane is flying from Ankara to Baku. On board are Mk 82 aerial bombs. These are ammunition equipped with laser-guided kits. Sources @wargonzo in Istanbul

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Quote: Keyser Soze

You will not understand in any way that in the USA power passed to the Ashkenazi / Khazars ..

Yes, for sure - they won the nuclear war of the 19th century and then closed the moon for humanity and Roscosmos and NASA in collusion. Actually, this was confirmed by Napoleon Bonaparte from the next chamber.

The states will be ruled by three: Alzheimer, Parkinson and one of these two: Trump or Biden

[Protos]

Quote: Thrall

Armenia has Iskander. And Azerbaijan has oil industry facilities.

"Iskander" is not, there is "TochkaU" and "Elbrus", but Azerbaijan still will not seem enough

[VyacheSeymour]

Point, Elbrus, Polonaise, Laura ...
Concepts so far from the area of ​​assumptions ... And hell is happening there now:

[Victorm]

Quote: dmmyak40

I doubt that Baku has means of destruction capable of damaging the power unit. Attacking (with a certain degree of success), for example, switchgear, cooling towers can damage the power unit - it is unlikely. There, the thickness of monolithic reinforced concrete is such that at our Volgodonsk NPP, the wall was poured around the clock for a very long time. Only to stop the work, although this will be a lot for Armenia.
I hope there are no idiots to shoot at nuclear power plants. Although the example of Ukraine says that there are enough insane people in words ...

Nobody will strike at the POWER UNIT. There is no need to repeat nonsense, and there are enough idiots on both sides.

First, there is no need for Azerbaijan, which is confidently and calmly conducting hostilities, the enemy is exhausted, torn apart, for a couple of weeks and after the destruction of the main means of command, artillery and air defense, reserves, after drawing even larger forces of the Armed Forces into our territory Strikes of a different nature will be delivered to Armenia, the purpose of which is simply to declassify Armenia, to destroy its military potential for decades to come. Simply put, so that from now on it was discouraging. We need to understand that we will live with them tomorrow, after the de-occupation of our territory, Armenia will not disappear anywhere and will not evaporate, although we would like to. Therefore, it is impossible to leave a single poisonous tooth, not a single root in the mouths of the nationalists, not to leave them the slightest opportunity for revenge.

Secondly, this will damage Azerbaijan itself - I repeat, all wars end sooner or later, but then you need to live and does not smile at anyone to live in an essentially ecological catastrophe. We do not have the megalomania of the Armenians and we are aware that the region is microscopic, and neither we nor the Armenians have the opportunity to solve the problem of consequences in the future. Not only for Armenia, but also for Azerbaijan, the worst nightmare is a major accident at the Mertsamor nuclear power plant or the problems that led to the release of radiation.

Thirdly, one must remember that this is essentially a blow to Russia and Russian citizens. The Armenians are not able to operate such an object on their own; fortunately, all of its operation and maintenance is carried out by Rosatom and its specialists.

Fourth, ENERGY UNITS generate energy, and the latter is not simply transmitted through the air over a distance. Armenia is currently being shot through with the means available to Azerbaijan far and wide, and the territory of Azerbaijan, by the way, is only partially accessible to the means available to Armenia. In the event of a retaliatory strike, Azerbaijan has no problem destroying the infrastructure of the fuel and energy complex of Armenia, plunging it into the Stone Age.

Fifth, if Armenia, instead of using its occupation corps under the flag of some "NKR self-defense forces", switches to direct and open aggression, it should be understood that Armenia lost this war at the moment when Russia lost Georgia in its confrontation with the Americans. With the direct aggression of Armenia against Azerbaijan, the CSTO mechanisms lose their significance and effect.
It is clear that the CSTO is a corpse from the moment of its creation, but formally it exists, and Russia without it can calmly enter the war against Azerbaijan if the Kremlin wishes.
But due to geography, I will repeat the loss of Georgia even in this case, if the Russian leadership climbs headlong into a trap set conditionally by the leadership of Armenia, or rather by their owners, Russia will only have time for a nodding debriefing.
Little Armenia can afford to keep almost all of its armed forces in Karabakh and introduce more and more forces and reserves there, only because it does not fear for its borders and rear areas guarded by the border troops of the FSB of Russia and the 102nd base of the Russian Ministry of Defense, but this is still Armenia is fighting in in the current format "they are not there" some "NKR self-defense forces". But as soon as Armenia turns to open aggression, I repeat, there is already a different scenario. For those who do not know, let me remind you about the Separate Nakhichevan Army of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, formed on the basis of the 5th Army Corps, even its forces will be enough to at least take control of large territories of Armenia from the south, and taking into account the mobilization reserve, about 720 thousand. bayonets and the entire territory of Armenia. Under these conditions, base 102 with its 5000 personnel, the maximum it will be capable of is either trying to defend Yerevan or simply taking a perimeter defense and waiting for withdrawal to Russian territory - an attempt to start hostilities for base 102 is tantamount to suicide, and indeed it is not to fight, this is just a demonstration of the flag, and support for Armenia during the war in the current format, and in the event of an open aggression by Armenia against Azerbaijan, the CSTO, that is, speaking directly Russia, this all does not work, but Russia's attack on Azerbaijan is generally a gift to Uncle Soros and early implementation of plans to encircle the entire European part of Russia.
Why am I writing and chewing for so long - Elbrus OTRK without tactical nuclear weapons, talking about nothing, and not the fact that there is at least something capable of flying, and Iskander OTRK in the current conditions not the fact that Russia will allow at least one missile of this complex to be launched.

So just leave all this talk and discussion, they are pointless.
The consequences will be so deplorable for Armenia, well, it will simply cease to exist, the Russian 102 base will no longer help it, it must be understood that the Armenians will lose their statehood AT ALL. And in Armenia this is well understood, if not the Soros, then those who are simpler and are aware of the consequences.

[Victorio]

Quote: VictorM

The consequences will be so disastrous for Armenia, well, it will simply cease to exist, the Russian base will no longer help it, one must understand that the Armenians will lose their statehood AT ALL.

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you have too big advances to Azerbaijanis, at best these brave soldiers will receive a part of Karabakh after they throw their billions into the air

[Victorm]

Quote: Victorio

Quote: VictorM

The consequences will be so disastrous for Armenia, well, it will simply cease to exist, the Russian base will no longer help it, one must understand that the Armenians will lose their statehood AT ALL.

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you have too big advances to Azerbaijanis, at best these brave soldiers will receive a part of Karabakh after they throw their billions into the air

Well, first of all, I'm an Azerbaijani myself. It's not about advances, understating or exalting that. The level of professionalism and carelessness on both sides is the same, the motivation is now higher among Azerbaijanis.

Secondly, the point is not in billions, they play a role only if in the southern direction and partly in the northern direction, and the rest of Karabakh is a difficult terrain, you will have to fight there without most of the multi-billion dollar "nishtyaks". All recent wars have shown that quality superiority cannot be secured until an infantryman with a conventional machine gun in his hands puts his foot on a particular piece of land and pours blood to his heart's content. He served just in these areas, the mountainous terrain gives advantages not only to the defending side. So, the fact that now it is not even the beginning of the main battles. But will there be a sequel and will there be main battles ...
The most negative scenario for us is possible, everything now depends not only and not so much on the will of the fighter on the front line, but on the will of Aliyev and how personally he is ready for war, what are his personal priorities and principles - the qualities of the LEADER of the nation, states are critically important at such moments. If he himself or under pressure decides to be content with another small conditionally victorious war and tomorrow or in a couple of days, maximum a couple of weeks, everything will be over - Azerbaijan lost the Second War and by the way for the same reason as the First. Now a lot was at stake, people were morally and internally prepared specifically for the Patriotic War, and not for another image war, on the one hand, we are all alive and afraid, both for ourselves and for our children, but in this case, stopping hostilities is not will cause relief, people will be deceived, the government will stagger, confusion and vacillation will begin, which will result in internal political problems, and while a struggle is unfolding in Baku either for power or for its preservation, the Armenians will begin to advance in Karabakh and how, and in the last war, to occupy territory, overcoming the resistance of individual units did not leave their positions in order to have time to tear off their piece of power.
If Aliyev is persistent as he is now, does not give in to temptations or weakness, we will cope in any conditions. And we will liberate the occupied territories, no question, but we will have to fight back any third party. There are no problems militarily, as long as the fifth column does not raise its head and confusion in politics begins, this is the most terrible and destructive for us. Cope with the Armenians quietly, with a small glanders is not a question. We waited 30 years, we can fight for a year or two if necessary, we have enough forces, means and resources for this.
The situation is very similar to the Russian one, I think you will understand everything without great details.

[Otshelnik]

Well, let's ... stop using the hammer tongue ...