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Russian Helicopters announced the timing of the creation of a prototype of the Minoga helicopter

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Russian Helicopters announced the timing of the creation of a prototype of the Minoga helicopter

The first prototype of the newest Minoga helicopter, developed on the instructions of the Russian Navy, will take off in 2025. About this in an interview with RIA News said the CEO of the Russian Helicopters holding Andrey Boginsky.


It may take several years to create the first flight model of a new helicopter. According to preliminary data, separation from the ground and "hovering" of the prototype "Lamprey" can occur in 2025-2026.

In five years we will be able to create the first flight prototype that will be ready to make the first "hover". I would be careful to say that we will receive a prototype in 2025 or 2026. This is a large complex of works that Russian Helicopters is carrying out in cooperation with other enterprises of Rostec

- declared Boginsky.

As it became known, the contract for the R&D work on the creation of the Lamprey deck-based helicopter was signed at the Army-2020 forum. Earlier it was reported that the preliminary design of the helicopter had been completed before the contract was signed.

The new carrier-based helicopter should replace the Ka-27 helicopters in service in the Navy fleet since the 80s of the last century. The helicopter is built according to the "Kamov" scheme, i.e. with two coaxial screws. It is assumed that the helicopters will go to the fleet in anti-submarine, transport and landing versions, in contrast to the Katran helicopters designed specifically for use on the UDC, created on the basis of the Ka-52 Alligator, which have a narrower specialization.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 29 September 2020 11: 21
    -12 qualifying.
    There used to be a "land of advice", but now it is a "land of experiments." Experiments are being made behind the Big Puddle.
  2. seti
    seti 29 September 2020 11: 22
    13
    What needs to be done for a long time. I'm glad we got around. After all, it's time to change the Ka-27 - unfortunately, its time to retire has come.
    What is known: Lamprey or Ka-65 will receive two TV7-117VK gas turbine engines with a capacity of 3000 hp each. each. Also, the Lamprey will be lighter than the Ka-27, but its engines will be more powerful. Consequently, the helicopter will be able to take more than the two tons that the Ka-27 takes. This is especially important for the anti-submarine version.


    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 29 September 2020 16: 14
      +7
      Quote: seti
      It's time to change the Ka-27

      From the point of view of the aircraft platform itself, the Ka-27 is an excellent helicopter. Replace the filling on a modern element base (as it is now done) and still serve. But since they are already going to do something new, let them dare. Only the timing is a little confusing. Miles in less than a year, issued a prototype MI-4 (the best transport helicopter at that time), provided that then almost everything was done for the first time. And today, all the developments are there, nothing fundamentally new is invented, the scheme is the same, the engines are available. So what else do they want? However, now it is so everywhere. Any type of "new" (in fact, old, only more sophisticated) technique has been developed many times longer than the same fifty to seventy years ago. And this is at the current level of design automation. Maybe with a drawing board instead of workstations and slide rule instead of calculators, was it easier? In short, a paradox.
      1. seti
        seti 1 October 2020 10: 50
        0
        Quote: orionvitt
        Quote: seti
        It's time to change the Ka-27

        Miles in less than a year, issued a prototype MI-4 (the best transport helicopter at that time), provided that then almost everything was done for the first time. And today, all the developments are there, nothing fundamentally new is invented, the scheme is the same, the engines are available. So what else do they want?

        Don't confuse this time with this. You take the simplest Mi-4 and a modern product by modern standards. Now it is not enough to assemble the body and install the engines. It's like taking a first release Ford and a modern car. They are also being developed and brought to mind for more than one year. But in a helicopter the cost of a mistake is much higher than in a car.
    2. vVvAD
      vVvAD 29 September 2020 17: 42
      0
      And in addition to everything, it is promised that it will be a much faster helicopter, which also pleases yes
  3. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 29 September 2020 11: 29
    -1
    "Helicopters of Russia", Serdyukov rules?
  4. moreman78
    moreman78 29 September 2020 11: 32
    +4
    In five years we will be able to create the first flight prototype that will be ready to make the first "hover". I would be careful to say that we will receive a prototype in 2025 or 2026.


    Yes, taking into account the pace of repair of the Ka-27 by 2025-26, there will be them for all 4 fleets - no more than two dozen - that is, a squadron!
  5. fn34440
    fn34440 29 September 2020 11: 35
    +6
    I have more skepticism, knowing ko is in charge of the development of aircraft construction in the Russian Federation.
    Anatoly Serdyukov became industrial director for the aviation cluster of the state corporation Rostec. Now Serdyukov oversees the development of the country's entire aviation industry. As it turned out, previous corruption scandals had little effect on the demand for the former minister in the upper echelon of the elite.
    Serdyukov never dealt with aviation. As Minister of Defense, he, of course, knew about these issues, but had nothing to do with aircraft construction .. Therefore, it is difficult to speak of Serdyukov as an irreplaceable specialist who must reorganize the domestic aircraft industry. The reputation factor plays a clearly negative role.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 29 September 2020 11: 39
      +4
      He can handle it. And if anything, Vasilyeva will help.
    2. helmi8
      helmi8 29 September 2020 21: 37
      +3
      Quote: fn34440
      Serdyukov never dealt with aviation. As Minister of Defense, he, of course, knew about these issues, but had nothing to do with aircraft construction.

      That did not prevent him from liquidating a large number of military aviation schools and transferring the Gagarin and Zhukovsky academies to Voronezh, leaving half of the teaching staff in Moscow. request
  6. Bez 310
    Bez 310 29 September 2020 11: 50
    +1
    I would like to comment with the MAT ...
  7. Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 September 2020 11: 59
    +2
    5 years is too much.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 29 September 2020 12: 35
      -1
      Quote: Pavel57
      5 years too much
      Yes, the dates of the last century. As if new opportunities in technology, design and modeling did not appear. But, probably, this is the school of the Soviet and Russian approach to weapons development - for a long time, but reliably and thoroughly, for decades.
      1. A.K.
        A.K. 29 September 2020 13: 25
        0
        Are there examples where you did it faster?
        1. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 29 September 2020 13: 47
          -1
          Quote: A.K.
          Are there examples where you did it faster?
          This is not in general, about the implementation of the project, but about specific information in the article. Have you read it or just the title?
          It may take several years to create the first flight model of a new helicopter. According to preliminary data, separation from the ground and "hovering" of the prototype "Lamprey" can occur in 2025-2026.
          The first data and relevant statements about the project appeared in 2015. In 2019, the first photo of K-65 appeared in the assembly shop ...
          Yours!
          1. A.K.
            A.K. 29 September 2020 19: 56
            0
            The article I read there says if that the contract with M.O was signed in 2020 before that there was an experimental preliminary design at the expense of Russian helicopters. And the fact that this is ka 65. in the assembly shop in the photo well, it's somehow not a fact.
          2. Grits
            Grits 30 September 2020 05: 00
            0
            Quote: Vladimir61
            The first data and relevant statements about the project appeared in 2015. In 2019, the first photo of K-65 appeared in the assembly shop ...

            It looks very much like K-226.
            If so, a new helicopter should appear even faster
    2. vVvAD
      vVvAD 29 September 2020 17: 46
      0
      Quote: Pavel57
      5 years is too much.

      And how many airplanes and helicopters are being developed today in developed Western countries, eh?
  8. garri-lin
    garri-lin 29 September 2020 12: 48
    +5
    They have been talking about Lamprey for a long time. And now it turns out that they only say. It's a shame to tears. Five years before hovering. A few more before the flight. By the time you enter the troops, what will happen?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 September 2020 13: 32
      -1
      Quote: garri-lin
      They have been talking about Lamprey for a long time. And now it turns out that they only say.

      They just talked. Now we have signed a contract. This means that there will be funding, and from conversations we should get down to business.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 29 September 2020 15: 40
        +1
        This helicopter is needed today. Not tomorrow, not in 5 years. Today. 5 years ago they were already actively talking about him. Sketch design. Long. A very long time. We need a car now.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 29 September 2020 15: 47
          -1
          Quote: garri-lin
          This helicopter is needed today. Not tomorrow, not in 5 years.

          I understand your concern. Himself like that. But, in the end, you have to be a realist. Unfortunately, we do not have the "old man Hottabych" who would do everything instantly here and now. Therefore, you need to live by realities. We have what we have. hi
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 29 September 2020 16: 30
            0
            After more than 5 years of doing nothing?
          2. Grits
            Grits 30 September 2020 05: 03
            0
            Quote: Piramidon
            But, in the end, you have to be a realist. Unfortunately, we do not have the "old man Hottabych" who would do everything instantly here and now.

            But after the war there was such a Hottabych. His name was Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria. Is modern magic technology really worse now?
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 30 September 2020 09: 55
              0
              Quote: Gritsa
              Is modern magic technology really worse now?

              There are no such technologies or "magicians" now. Everything is done with an eye on human rights defenders and tolerant humane laws hi
  9. 123456789
    123456789 29 September 2020 12: 51
    +2
    The Posthumous Papers of the Pickwick Club. In one old anecdote - not bad at all, albeit plausible, a young Irish gentleman, when asked if he could play the violin, replied that he did not doubt it at all, but did not dare to assert, for he had never tried it. ... Gentlemen, this only proves the validity of the old rule: a person never knows what he is capable of, until he has verified it in practice. Charles Dickens. The Posthumous Papers of the Pickwick Club.
  10. zwlad
    zwlad 29 September 2020 13: 34
    0
    What idiot got the idea to call the helicopter a sea reptile.
  11. V1er
    V1er 29 September 2020 13: 41
    +2
    And what did you do for 30 years before that? I thought "Lamprey" has been in development for a long time, I heard about it 5 years ago. So nothing has been done?
  12. Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 September 2020 13: 46
    0
    Quote: zwlad
    What idiot got the idea to call the helicopter a sea reptile.

    Not really a creep, but a parasite.

    but -
    Lamprey, like smelt, is a seasonal dish. Unlike smelt, which rises into the Neva to spawn in spring, lamprey spawns in late November - mid-December. At this time, it is customary to eat it.
    1. askort154
      askort154 29 September 2020 16: 06
      -1
      Pavel57 .... Minog, like smelt, is a seasonal dish.

      And what does this have to do with aviation ?! It would be okay to call a fishing boat by that name, but to call a helicopter "Lamprey", is that how much you need to drink while fishing?
      They used to say what you call the ship, so it will float. So I think what will be the fate of the Lamprey helicopter, which has already been given an idiotic name (not at all aviation), and they predict its first "hovering", already in 2025-2026. This is how much one turn of his screw will cost? It is outrageous that "PR" has now become fashionable, not only on the stage and in politics, but in the military-industrial complex and "Roskosmos".
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 29 September 2020 16: 42
        +1
        Quote: askort154
        And what does this have to do with aviation ?!

        And what does the name of helicopters Kasatka, Alligator or Black Shark have to do with aviation?
        1. askort154
          askort154 29 September 2020 17: 20
          -1
          Pavel57 ...And what does the name of helicopters Kasatka, Alligator or Black Shark have to do with aviation?

          Well, this is understandable - the whole world knows these large representatives of amphibians, and they have formed corresponding, double feelings with them in humans - fear and interest.
          But the "lamprey", this group of water-parasitic individuals, which is little known outside its population - the Astrakhan region. It is difficult to understand what the person was guided by when giving the name to the helicopter intended for the IMF.
          At the same time, the word "lamprey" is not perceived adequately even by ear. The predominant noun is "leg". In my opinion - the stupidest name for a helicopter. hi
          1. Pavel57
            Pavel57 29 September 2020 17: 56
            +1
            Lamprey sticks to the fish, and the helicopter, in this case, to the submarine.
      2. Alien From
        Alien From 29 September 2020 21: 13
        -1
        Yes, we have the names of technology everywhere with humor))
      3. helmi8
        helmi8 29 September 2020 21: 43
        +1
        Quote: askort154
        This is how much one turn of his screw will cost?

        Since the screw is coaxial, our economists think so: one screw winds, and the other winds in the opposite direction. In total, zero. laughing
  13. Pamir
    Pamir 29 September 2020 21: 02
    0
    Yes, as one Armenian comedian says - “The Lamprey helicopter can be a lot.” True, he spoke about fish on the menu. But it is associated.
    You can't go far at such a pace. Humor is humor, and the managers of the Russian Federation effectively manage.
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 30 September 2020 10: 37
    0
    The timing can only explain the difficulty of practicing a helicopter with a pusher propeller.
  15. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 1 October 2020 01: 55
    0
    It may take several years to create the first flight model of a new helicopter. According to preliminary data, separation from the ground and "hovering" of the prototype "Lamprey" can occur in 2025-2026.

    It seems that they will design a deck-based helicopter from scratch without the accumulated experience of the Kamov Design Bureau!
    There are dimensional characteristics (current hangars and projected ones), there are maximum masses, there are engines. The set of weapons is known.
    We need new avionics, an open architecture CIUS for future upgrades and the possibility of using new weapons.
    What does it take five years for digital design? The sanctions did not seem to have hit the supply of components for computers, although they may be forced to work at Elbrus)))
  16. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 1 October 2020 02: 05
    0
    It seems to me that it is time to introduce open competitions in our state defense order. To issue technical specifications for competitive design, with the involvement of military and civilian universities, students and cadets will give out so many solutions in a year that you will start downloading, maybe innovations will start. Without a lack of competition (now she was killed by uniting Mil and Kamov), we will wait for the first hovering of the Lamprey for more than ten years.