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"Hooray, holidays!" - the controversial initiative of the Moscow mayor's office, or Where is education going

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Today, the mayor of Moscow published on his personal blog information that he has decided to introduce holidays in all Moscow schools from 5 to 18 October. At the same time, the very formulations used by Sergei Sobyanin raised many questions.


From the publication of the Moscow mayor:

On the fifth day, the planned autumn holidays begin in most Moscow schools. In some schools, they begin somewhat later. And they usually last one week.

What kind of "planned" holidays from the fifth day (October) can we talk about, if in all recent years the 1st quarter in schools ended either at the end of October or at the beginning of November? Does this mean that a few days after the "planned extended vacations" for schoolchildren will come another one - really planned, or officials will decide that there will be another extension - without going to classes.

Sobyanin explained his decision with the recommendation of sanitary doctors "in connection with the rise in colds and the growth of identified COVID-19 diseases." The fact that the number of COVID-19 diseases has begun to rise again in Russia is alarming. But with colds ... Their growth in the fall was noted at all times - and "deep dock." But there was only one way out: quarantine either for individual schools or for individual classes.

If every time officials send in such cases all schools on "planned" vacations, which, in fact, are not even planned at all, will this not be an additional blow to the quality of education in our country? What is the practical sense in the total closure of hundreds of schools in the city if the so-called epidemiological threshold is not exceeded in each of them?

The situation raises concern, if only because in this case we are not even talking about distance learning.

From the publication of the Moscow mayor:

There will be no distance learning during the holidays. However, schoolchildren will be able to repeat what they have passed and, if they wish, study new material with the help of the Moscow Electronic School.

“Studying new material at will” is a very flawed practice, which, according to experts, cannot lead to anything good in terms of the quality of students' knowledge by definition. Pupils may have a psychological effect associated with the fact that classes at school turn into nothing more than a formality - "you can not teach, this is optional, as the mayor said."

There is no less problem with teachers. The education system itself, which has been building for decades, is being violated. Moreover, it is violated without an obvious objective reason. Once again, not in every school the situation with the disease is such that there is an urgent need for the October holidays. After working for a month, teachers have just begun to enter the previous regime - against the background of endless disinfection, sanitization, distribution of student flows, "canning" the class in one classroom, and again - "vacation". For people who work at school not only to get a salary, this is a real professional stress. Continuity in educational work is lost, children are more and more difficult to motivate, the school itself from an institution of socialization and education is turning into a "wall and ceiling". It is difficult even to predict what the result will be with such an approach, as they say, at the exit, and after all, the initiative of the Moscow mayor's office can, according to the principle "everyone ran - and I ran," regional officials could also take up.

This means that it is hardly surprising that schoolchildren do not know the commanders of the Great Patriotic War and are seriously thinking about the question from a reporter on the street "Why Stalin shot Suvorov" ...
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  1. WILL
    WILL 29 September 2020 11: 08
    14
    So soon Sobyanin's initiative will go to the regions negative
    Distant - a complete madhouse, I can tell from my Children. We have to deal with Them Himself and take more tutors.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 29 September 2020 11: 13
      +8
      Quote: ANIMAL
      You have to deal with Himself

      Unfortunately, that way, that otherwise you have to deal with the children yourself, because the education given by most schools, to put it mildly, does not stand up to criticism.
      1. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 29 September 2020 12: 00
        +2
        And the salary of teachers withstands criticism.? Or the moral situation that has developed in most schools.?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 29 September 2020 12: 12
          +2
          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          And the salary of teachers withstands criticism.?

          And the doctors? In our country, only the salaries of officials and deputies "stand up to any criticism."
          1. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 29 September 2020 12: 15
            -1
            Yes, you know, there is an opportunity to compare a teacher and a doctor, nevertheless, the teacher has more
            1. Sergey Nikiforov
              Sergey Nikiforov 29 September 2020 12: 16
              0
              Probably something with my head I wanted to write that the doctor has more
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 29 September 2020 12: 19
                -1
                Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
                I wanted to write that the doctor has more

                What is there, what is there, tears.
                1. boni592807
                  boni592807 30 September 2020 10: 32
                  +2
                  You, more about the Russians' pennies, remember, especially during the period of price growth itself ...
          2. Esoteric
            Esoteric 29 September 2020 17: 47
            +1
            And the doctors are doing well. Sometimes you think they don't need a salary at all. Go to any clinic, and admire what kind of cars these doctors are pleased to come to work, and inquire in what apartments they live. Obviously, everything is on the salary, no doubt about it.
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 29 September 2020 13: 15
        +6
        .... are seriously thinking about a question from a reporter on the street "Why Stalin shot Suvorov" ...
        AUTHOR:

        All this is more like a production, in my opinion. I often communicate with schoolchildren, but I have not yet met such "knowledge".
        Quote: ANIMAL

        You have to deal with Himself


        Unfortunately, that way, that otherwise you have to deal with the children yourself, because the education given by most schools, to put it mildly, does not stand up to criticism.

        Either parents or tutors are engaged. Without their help, it is very problematic for a child to master the proposed educational material. It's not even the topic itself, but the way it is presented. To shove all the navigators-discoverers of the world into one paragraph, rather like a short scientific article - the history of the discoveries of planet Earth. It is extremely difficult, unprofessional, uninteresting. It doesn't even look like mistakes, but a general program to reduce the level of education in the country ...
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 29 September 2020 13: 23
          +4
          Quote: Doccor18
          Either parents or tutors are engaged. Without their help, it is very problematic for a child to master the proposed educational material.

          Somehow, in the difficult post-war years, children mastered the school curriculum without the help of parents and without tutors, and the knowledge was much better than now.
          Quote: Doccor18
          It doesn't even look like mistakes, but a general program to reduce the level of education in the country ...

          I am afraid that it is. Smart, educated people are harder to manage.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 29 September 2020 11: 13
      +9
      Quote: ANIMAL
      We have to deal with Them Himself and take tutors.

      So they take us there .. those who have money will study in elite schools, and those who do not have it remotely ..
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 29 September 2020 11: 53
        11
        hi
        Quote: Svarog
        So they take us there .. those who have money will study in elite schools, and those who do not have it remotely ..

        I have four schoolchildren, all of them transferred to family education. My rural school does not provide education, from the word at all. With excellent grades, children in the 8th grade do not know what a diameter is, find it difficult to answer what a bisector is, etc. For this, the school takes prizes in various competitions such as "Kazachka Kuban", etc. The OGE is surrendered according to the cribs that the teachers bring, the year before last our school was the best in the area in mathematics, the mathematician received a diploma. Scary. The older one studies remotely, on the Internet resource a lesson, it costs 5000 a month, (with a discount, as if with many children). The pros for me are that you don't have to spend money on tutors, the program is well-built and the teachers explain if something is not clear. With three younger students, we learn from textbooks purchased from the Stalin Primer project, knowledge is much better. But how long it takes is scary to say. Either I or my wife have to not work. And I don't see any other way out today.
    3. Machito
      Machito 29 September 2020 11: 25
      +9
      A friend's daughter's class was quarantined, and a crown was found in one child. Sobyanin is reinsured. Obviously, the second wave has spread around the world, and it will also affect us, and schools are breeding grounds for viruses due to close contacts of children with each other.
      The very idea of ​​distance learning is very flawed, and the form of its implementation is degrading. For distance learning of children, it is necessary to develop an appropriate training program, including a part that motivates children to learn, and programs stuck together on the knee today lead to stupefaction and laziness of children. If parents cannot explain the school curriculum to their child on their own, and not everyone can do that, the child's educational level drops rapidly, but computer and gadget addiction is growing.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 29 September 2020 11: 37
        +8
        Quote: Bearded
        If parents cannot explain the school curriculum to their child on their own, and not everyone can

        two daughters 13 and 8 in the evening after work until 11 I teach lessons with them. Not possible independently, at this level of teaching and motivation to study
      2. boni592807
        boni592807 30 September 2020 10: 36
        +1
        One of our infectious diseases, said in the first wave of covid. Previously, in case of mass diseases, the sick were sent for isolation, but now they are healthy ?! repeat
    4. Evil543
      Evil543 29 September 2020 11: 30
      +3
      How would not result in a general quarantine
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 29 September 2020 21: 38
        +4
        Quote: Evil543
        How would not result in a general quarantine

        It would be better if it would result .. And then these partial restrictions like "a little pregnant" are obtained. For zero times the epidemic continues. The Chinese have suffered for a month in a deep quarantine and have long since died. And we all suffer, think as if by doing nothing to solve the problem ..
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 3 October 2020 07: 59
        0
        Quote: Evil543
        How would not result in a general quarantine

        will not pour out. The task of Covid is to teach people to self-isolate. Quarantine is expensive for the state
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 3 October 2020 08: 13
          0
          Slowly it starts, 50% of offices are remote, students are remote. In Moscow .
    5. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 30 September 2020 21: 16
      -2
      Quote: ANIMAL
      So soon Sobyanin's initiative will go to the regions negative
      Distant - a complete madhouse, I can tell from my Children. We have to deal with Them Himself and take more tutors.

      In fact, all the way around, many regions returned to distance learning in schools, much earlier than the "holidays" in Moscow schools ...
      https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/09/25/87234-totalnyy-distant
      The Moscow government, with the help of specialists from the Departments of Health and Education, constantly monitors the situation in educational institutions and makes appropriate decisions, the regions were given the authority to take security measures in the field of health ...
      In Buryatia, they switched to telecommuting back in September, in Moscow they extended the holidays, the head of each subject is himself responsible for the decisions made ...
      Study new material at will ”is a very flawed practice, which, according to experts, cannot lead to anything good in terms of the quality of students' knowledge by definition.

      Like one grandmother said ... the author of the article would give the names of specialists and links to their scientific articles in this area ...
      Pupils may have a psychological effect associated with the fact that classes at school turn into nothing more than a formality - "you can not teach, this is optional, as the mayor said.

      All over the world, 1/3 to 2/3 of the educational process is spent on self-study, and at seminars and laboratory works, competitions, articles, those who want to know their subject better come to light, and since even a genius cannot know everything, then in the West it is of great importance specialization in a specific field, not a "general" specialist ....
      it is hardly surprising that schoolchildren do not know the commanders of the Great Patriotic War and are seriously thinking about the question from a reporter on the street "Why did Stalin shoot Suvorov" ...

      There are no children, but adults are to blame. "Russia is a country with an unpredictable past", with each new regime, the past changes color ...
      In general, the article is customized ....
      Neither the analysis of epidemiological situations by region, nor the statements of scientists on this issue, the author simply set the sole goal of uphauling the decisions of the Moscow authorities without studying the cause and effect ...
  2. Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 29 September 2020 11: 10
    -2
    "Students may have a psychological effect associated with the fact that classes at school turn into nothing more than a formality" this has long been the case, and not only for children, but also for parents, preparation for the exam, that's all
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 29 September 2020 11: 11
    15
    Sobyanin is in charge of education and medicine, Gref is in charge of Sberbank, Cartoon, Virtual Assistant ... And where is the Head of State?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 29 September 2020 11: 14
      13
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Sobyanin is in charge of education and medicine, Gref is in charge of Sberbank, Cartoon, Virtual Assistant ... And where is the Head of State?

      In self-isolation and prostration ..
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 29 September 2020 11: 15
      +7
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Where is the Head of State?

      And he has nothing to do with it, this is his job now, nothing to do with it.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 29 September 2020 11: 23
        +7
        Like its predecessor, it works with documents ... repeat
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 29 September 2020 11: 39
        +2
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        And he has nothing to do with it, this is his job now, nothing to do with it.

        he is calm, if someone is not happy to sue. And our laws are convenient for them. Everything is calm in Baghdad.
      3. Roman13579
        Roman13579 29 September 2020 12: 09
        +4
        And he has nothing to do with it, this is his job now, nothing to do with it.


        “You will say: is it better in the Kremlin (compared to working in the special services)? But my position here is different. Nobody controls me now.

        “From the first person. Conversations with Vladimir Putin ”2000.
  4. Petrograd
    Petrograd 29 September 2020 11: 13
    14
    Yes, there is a feeling that someone is making good money on this virus
    1. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 29 September 2020 11: 19
      +4
      There is a virus and it is dangerous and there is a business and it wants to make money
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 29 September 2020 11: 44
        +9
        Quote: Qwertyarion
        There is a virus and it is dangerous and there is a business and it wants to make money

        the main thing is not that. The ideological impact of the virus is that fascism became possible. There are people who cannot afford paid schools, special medicines, and therefore can be considered expensive, or unworthy of life. That is, the division of people by varieties! at the subconscious level it is finally legalized.
        1. Olfred
          Olfred 1 October 2020 20: 56
          +1
          That is, the division of people by varieties!

          that is, in your opinion, it was completely different before? and in pre-covid times, Harvard and Oxofrd could afford "not only everything" ... As well as real estate in nature reserves and yachts)))
          Now it has manifested itself in all its glory, or it will still be hi
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 1 October 2020 21: 40
            +2
            Quote: OlfRed
            that is, in your opinion, it was completely different before?

            formally, everyone is equal before the law, and everyone has the right to life. The state is obliged to help people to realize their rights. And the informational background of recent times convinces us that only the elite have the right to life, etc.
            1. Olfred
              Olfred 1 October 2020 23: 53
              +1
              formally, everyone is equal before the law, and everyone has the right to life. The state is obliged to help people to realize their rights

              I agree with you, but this is just a formality ... You know, when I saw with my own eyes my grandmother digging in a garbage can, or in a store, people who choose more edible foods among rotten products, I realized that this state does not care about me and ordinary people ... He just stupidly does not care, the main thing is that he would pay taxes ...
              As for the information background - "TV replaced nature (freedom) for me" (c) according to it, in our country some breakthroughs, especially in education, survived - parents replaced the school hi
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 2 October 2020 00: 08
                0
                Quote: OlfRed

                I agree with you, but this is just a formality ... You know, when I saw with my own eyes my grandmother digging in a garbage can, or in a store, people who choose more edible foods among rotten products, I realized that this state does not care about me and ordinary people ...

                Imagine, Then in the whole World the State does not care about a "certain" contingent. I traveled a lot, saw such grandmothers In all countries where I was, and much more often than in Russia, and what happens when large chains throw out delays or restaurants unclaimed dishes is just horror! This phenomenon is not social, but psychophysiological.
                Quote: OlfRed
                survived - parents replaced school hi

                And here - really sadness. The Ministry of Education was not ready for distance learning!
                1. Olfred
                  Olfred 2 October 2020 19: 48
                  +1
                  Then in the whole World the State does not care about a "certain" contingent. I traveled a lot, saw such grandmothers In all countries where I was, and much more often than in Russia, and what happens when large chains throw out delays or restaurants unclaimed dishes - just horror!

                  Well, then let's talk about the starving children of Africa ...
                  In general, in this context, I spoke about Russia fellow
                  Again, we, as a "state-forming people", must live like people, and the most ironic thing that we CAN afford, and the state is not interested in this, it means that it's not about begging grandmothers, but about inability, or rather, the unwillingness to change the standard of living for ordinary people mortals ...
                  Those who eat caviar in buckets and fly around the world by air (at the expense of the people) are hardly interested in those who are forced to survive by 15 - 20 tr per month hi
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 2 October 2020 04: 33
                +1
                Quote: OlfRed
                parents replaced school

                up to 11 we teach lessons with children laughing
                1. Olfred
                  Olfred 2 October 2020 19: 52
                  0
                  I don’t even know if it’s good or bad ... And who will give better education - parents or school ?! I'm afraid schools will soon be closed at this rate hi
  5. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 29 September 2020 11: 13
    +2
    really growth ... and I'm sure the numbers are more than they publish, plus seasonal ARVI and other misfortunes ... maybe it's right here, regarding health, it's better to overlook than not get enough? and you can't hear something, graduates of 21 years old will also do not enter Universities do not take the exam?
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 29 September 2020 11: 16
      11
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      really growth ... and I'm sure the numbers are more than they publish, plus seasonal ARVI and other misfortunes ... maybe it's right here, regarding health, it's better to overlook than not get enough? and you can't hear something, graduates of 21 years old will also do not enter Universities do not take the exam?

      There was no need to "optimize" medicine.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 29 September 2020 11: 19
        +1
        it is clear that "optimization" is the so-called bottom full .. but even in this case, preventive measures are necessary ... well, consciousness or something ...
    2. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 29 September 2020 11: 18
      +6
      There is an opinion that the level of infection did not decrease in the summer, they just did not talk about it, it was necessary.
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 29 September 2020 13: 35
      +8
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      maybe it’s true, regarding health, it’s better to overdo it than to underdo it?

      for a virus, it will all the same be we watch or not watch. Baranovirus is a new world order and the masters of the world strictly monitor that their sixes train the human mass into convenient material.
  6. codetalker
    codetalker 29 September 2020 11: 19
    +4
    Holidays from October 5th - this is nonsense, but it was not invented now. So Sobyanin is not lying, this is really a planned vacation (only longer). Many Moscow schools work according to the system: you study for a month / you rest for a week, well, or somehow, not as we studied.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 September 2020 11: 51
      0
      Quote: codetalker
      well, or something like that, not how we studied.

      and we knew that we had to take final (at school) and entrance (at a university / technical school) exams ...
  7. nnm
    nnm 29 September 2020 11: 22
    -1
    1. Children's health is much more important. For this is not about remote control, but about the fact that the second wave of the virus has begun. Therefore, both state employees and civil servants were transferred on remote control, almost all in Moscow.
    2.
    This means that it is hardly surprising that schoolchildren do not know the commanders of the Great Patriotic War and are seriously thinking about the question from a reporter on the street "Why Stalin shot Suvorov" ...

    So maybe this question is worth asking yourself first? Because no one can replace education and training in a family. And if you are guided by the principle - let it be better to play with toys on the computer, then, of course, it turns out that Stalin killed Suvorov.
    The fact that the USE kills education is a fact. But even more he is killed by the parents' shifting the responsibilities of shaping the child's personality to the Internet, school, institute ...
    1. Volodin
      29 September 2020 11: 27
      10
      Well, right! We will arrange a total vacation, parents - on "planned" holidays. Then education and upbringing will immediately shoot. Taking care of children is our everything ...
      On all channels, ears were buzzing about a miracle drug, but again, you know, the second wave. So this drug is "not a miracle" or is it not for everyone ... And those who are simpler can be isolated again - so that at home they teach each other both mathematics and history with chemistry? We have every parent in all school disciplines of the doc ...
      1. nnm
        nnm 29 September 2020 11: 31
        -1
        You can always "catch up" with studies, but the life of a grandmother who will die from a covid, because her grandson, who is in a wider society, has infected you, you will not return. As well as the consequences for the health of the children themselves and their parents.
        1. Volodin
          29 September 2020 11: 35
          +5
          And, well, yes, a schoolboy will not leave the house on vacation, he will naturally sit beside his grandmother.
          1. nnm
            nnm 29 September 2020 11: 36
            +2
            So it depends on the parents. What is their authority in the family and how they raised a child. And in any case, even if he does, he will have less social circle than at school.
            1. Volodin
              29 September 2020 11: 46
              +9
              In general, it is understandable. Wherever you spit, everything depends on the parents. It turns out that many of our parents are fundamentally irresponsible people, since they want their children to go to school, taking into account not a single detected case of the corona. They just want the children to learn, but it turns out that the locksmith dad or the sales mom should teach them themselves ... This is the question in the material
              1. nnm
                nnm 29 September 2020 12: 32
                -7
                I think I should say thank you to you, not AI, am I right?

                Of course not! Everyone around is obliged to educate your child, but not the parents! But I pay taxes - so let the school educate, I pay for the education at the institute - let them educate. No, it doesn't work that way. 99% of a child's personality is laid down in the family!

                Quote: Volodin
                It turns out that many of our parents are fundamentally irresponsible people, as they want their children to go to school, taking into account not a single detected case of the corona. Just

                1. If they put the question of their child's health below education and problems with their free time - of course. And do not talk about "many" speak for yourself.
                2. Nothing that it is many times easier and more correct to prevent a problem than to solve it later?


                Quote: Volodin
                They just want the children to learn, but it turns out that the locksmith dad or the sales mom must teach them themselves ... This is the question in the material

                I remember that the final question was who is to blame for the fact that the children believe that Stalin killed Suvorov. I believe that it is the family that is 99% to blame - they themselves did not tell, they themselves did not instill the correct values, they themselves did not read the correct books in childhood and did not teach this to children, etc.

                In fact, I would understand you if you were talking about the fact that it is necessary then to cancel or postpone the USE, oge, that the parent should be given 100% paid sick leave, keep his job, etc.
                And you, in fact, asked the question - which is more important, health or study. And you pretend that for a normal person there is a choice in this dilemma. And there is no choice - HEALTH!
                1. Volodin
                  29 September 2020 15: 15
                  +4
                  Quote: nnm
                  Of course not! Everyone around is obliged to educate your child, but not the parents!

                  Your logic is clear. I also propose to add to it the fact that you can also be treated at home - apply burdocks to a sore spot - well, in fact, do not remember about paying taxes and health insurance. Otherwise, officials will not be able to fatten on them.

                  What? - if the school will work the way the official wants to distribute the schedule, then hospitals will follow the same path. Although this is exactly how it was for several months in a row - if a person does not have a covid, well, it went ... "Get treated as you know, we have, you know, covid measures." Even elementary - there was nowhere to treat a tooth - "from under the floor."
              2. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 30 September 2020 21: 32
                -2
                Quote: Volodin
                It turns out that many of our parents are fundamentally irresponsible people,

                Sure. Now on the street and in public transport in Moscow, at least 20% wear masks ... and almost everyone with the best Soviet education and discipline in the world ... and most importantly, a disregard for each other ...
                Why should I suffer from cattle who don't give a damn about anyone ...
                It is necessary, as during the Second World War, to announce on the radio the number of deaths and sick people, children, adults, pregnant women, old people per day ... maybe then they will start wearing masks, I often go to the regions on business trips, where 95% of the population goes without masks .. ..and on the street and in transport ...
            2. Roman13579
              Roman13579 29 September 2020 12: 16
              +6
              in any case, even if it comes out, he will have a social circle lessthan at school.


              At the Formula 1 stage in Sochi, it was decided to fill the stands only by 50% .. 30 thousand spectators, instead of 60 thousand .. This is less social circle ..))
              Bugaga ..

              Come home and wash one hand .. And go to bed ..
              There is at least one idiot who believes that in this case, his chances of getting infected are half as much as if he did not wash both hands ??)
            3. Svarog
              Svarog 29 September 2020 13: 59
              +5
              Quote: nnm
              So it depends on the parents.

              Parents plow from morning to evening .. Now the USSR, the labor code is just paper .. I come home from work at eight o'clock, like my wife, while at 6:30 I leave for work .. The average daughter studies on Saturdays, with 11 am to 17 pm .. that is all day. When to take care of children? At school they do not explain a damn thing, they constantly have to chew on everything .. The trouble is all around degradation.
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 29 September 2020 12: 03
        +6
        Quote: Volodin
        miracle drug,

        For 12 thousand! Get treatment - I don't want to! Where's the vaccine? All this is muddy ... and with the virus and with the vaccine and with medicines ...
        PS Put on a mask!
        1. nnm
          nnm 29 September 2020 12: 34
          -1
          I do not know. We recorded for free. The first wave of vaccinations, in my opinion, will begin on October 4
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 September 2020 19: 25
            +1
            Quote: nnm
            The first wave of vaccinations, in my opinion, will begin on October 4

            This despite the fact that Ginzburg said that the third stage of testing will end next spring. wink And in the indications for use, the age range of the vaccinated is indicated - 18-60 years. But everyone knows very well that the main percentage of deaths (over 90%) from Covid 19 are 60+ people. Where is the grafting logic?
        2. GRIGORIY76
          GRIGORIY76 30 September 2020 10: 38
          +2
          You read about the side effects of this "drug".
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 30 September 2020 21: 36
            -1
            Quote: GRIGORIY76
            You read about the side effects of this "drug".

            Any drug has a side effect, incl. sometimes fatal ...
      3. Roman13579
        Roman13579 29 September 2020 12: 12
        11
        On all channels, ears were buzzing about a miracle drug, but again, you know, the second wave. So this drug is "not a miracle" or it is not for everyone ...


      4. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 29 September 2020 12: 59
        10
        Quote: Volodin
        So this drug is "not a miracle" or it is not for everyone ...

        Well, the Japanese, who created the basis for this miracle, 30 or 40 years ago, by the way, told blacks in Japanese, back in the summer that their drug was absolutely ineffective against this sore. But when the price is more than 12.000 .... What does efficiency have to do with it? Loot must be cut. Loch is not a mammoth, Loch will not die out. Although .... With such pharmaceutical fun .... Maybe die out.
      5. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 29 September 2020 21: 14
        +1
        Something like that you really do not inspire confidence .. what kind of sarcasm on issues related to children? Do you have children? Think .. before you write
    2. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 29 September 2020 12: 06
      +3
      For all its shortcomings, the Unified State Exam fulfilled one role, the opportunity to enter the Higher Educational Institution of Higher Education without cronyism And what killed Look at the math version for this year and decide for yourself, and then think if this test can be solved only by coaching Not everything is so simple
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 September 2020 19: 29
        +2
        Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
        the opportunity to enter the Higher Educational Institution of Higher Education without pulling

        The daughter, after a techie, could not enter her faculty at the university, she had to enter an adjacent one. The reason is the large influx of Dagestani applicants with the highest USE marks. laughing
  8. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 29 September 2020 11: 24
    +3
    This time the bureaucrats will be more cunning. There is no need to declare a general regime of a pre-trial detention center. It is enough to close schools and kindergartens, and at least one of the parents in the family will be forced to stay at home. And it's good if there is a possibility of remote control.
    It seems like no one is forcing you to stay at home. The rest is your problem.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 29 September 2020 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: 7,62x54
      nobody makes you stay at home

      +65 - recommend!
  9. nnm
    nnm 29 September 2020 11: 27
    +4
    if all the last years the 1st quarter in schools ended either at the end of October or at the beginning of November?

    In Moscow and some regions, there has long been a different system - teaching in terms of trimesters. 4 weeks of study, a week of vacation ...
    1. Volodin
      29 September 2020 11: 38
      +3
      Quote: nnm
      week of vacation ..

      And now it's two weeks
  10. nnm
    nnm 29 September 2020 11: 33
    +3
    And I’m wondering if it’s going to be done in such a way that if you have a certificate of vaccination against covid, you can go to school, to work, and without it, you can stay at home. For me personally, this will say a lot about why all these quarantines, self-restraints, etc. Who does the state care about - people or something else.
    1. Horon
      Horon 29 September 2020 12: 30
      +6
      Does getting the flu vaccine help a lot? Covid is the closest relative of the flu, why should the same laws stop acting on it? Now this "melody" can be played forever! wassat
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 30 September 2020 21: 42
        0
        Quote: Horon
        Does getting the flu vaccine help a lot? Covid is the closest relative of the flu

        Just now I got a free flu shot at the MFC, they warned me that I would not be able to get the coronavirus vaccine earlier than 3 months ...
        1. Horon
          Horon 30 September 2020 22: 55
          +1
          I say that they are related to covid and flu.
          For two years the children were vaccinated, for two years they were ill without a break from autumn to spring. We were tired of treating them, but I swore to do it. Doctors explain that the wrongly predicted flu strain. I am none the better for it. Without a flu shot, they get sick once, maximum 2 times a year. We don't do it anymore. They will be healthier without the flu shot. We do other vaccinations, everything is fine there.
  11. nnm
    nnm 29 September 2020 11: 34
    +3
    And I’m wondering if it’s going to be done in such a way that if you have a certificate of vaccination against covid, you can go to school, to work, and without it, you can stay at home. For me personally, this will say a lot about why all these quarantines, self-restraints, etc. Who does the state care about - people or something else.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 29 September 2020 14: 04
      +4
      Quote: nnm
      Who does the state care about - people or something else.

      Does the Russian state care about people? No .. I have not heard ..
  12. strannik1985
    strannik1985 29 September 2020 11: 38
    +5
    Another training program, not quarters, but modules - 5 weeks of study, then a week of vacation, in the academic year there are 5 modules. Apparently the author does not know.
    1. Volodin
      29 September 2020 11: 48
      +3
      So why, then, if everything is so, is the second week of vacation added with the cancellation of even the notorious remote control? Is it in quarters or in modules?
  13. Radikal
    Radikal 29 September 2020 11: 38
    +3
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Sobyanin is in charge of education and medicine, Gref is in charge of Sberbank, Cartoon, Virtual Assistant ... And where is the Head of State?

    And he leads the characters you listed .... hi
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 29 September 2020 12: 06
      +1
      From Novo-Ogarev? hi
  14. avia12005
    avia12005 29 September 2020 11: 40
    +8
    Why not send the Moscow mayor's office on vacation to calm down at last its administrative itch ???
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    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 29 September 2020 13: 15
      +6
      Tse is a really sensible proposal, otherwise Sobyanin comes up with something, and we, throughout Russia, are clearing it up. God forbid acquiring a plant for the production of medicines for the crown, then everyone will be obliged to buy 3 packs a month and take it every day.
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 30 September 2020 21: 44
      0
      Quote: avia12005
      Why not send the Moscow mayor's office on vacation to calm down at last its administrative itch ???

      So and so there by 80% everyone has been working at a remote location for a long time ... I don't know what ...
  15. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 September 2020 11: 46
    0
    had a rest
  16. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 29 September 2020 11: 48
    +8
    Can Sobyanin be sent to remote control and disconnected from the Internet?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 29 September 2020 12: 08
      +3
      An effective proposal! hi
  17. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 29 September 2020 12: 04
    +3
    It's time to switch to the iPhone system ... learn from it, without textbooks .. laughing
  18. Woodman
    Woodman 29 September 2020 12: 07
    +2
    What kind of "planned" holidays from the fifth day (October) can we talk about, if all the last years the 1st quarter in schools ended either at the end of October or at the beginning of November?
    The fact that the first quarter will end earlier than was usually known in the summer, at least in our region. The author, apparently, was simply not interested in this question before. And then suddenly I saw a reason for an article.
    “Learning new material at will” is a very flawed practice, which, according to experts, cannot lead to anything good in terms of the quality of students' knowledge by definition

    Actually, it is normal practice to repeat the material covered during the holidays. And precisely at will. At the request of the parents. For children never experience such a desire.
    Pupils may have a psychological effect associated with the fact that classes at school turn into nothing more than a formality - "you can not teach, this is optional, as the mayor said."
    If parents do not hammer such thoughts into schoolchildren, it will not arise.
    Continuity in educational work is lost,
    How are vacations connected with the loss of continuity in educational work?
    1. samarin1969
      samarin1969 29 September 2020 17: 12
      +3
      The most adequate commentary is about plans, repetition and "continuity". hi
  19. Dimy4
    Dimy4 29 September 2020 12: 15
    +4
    They plan to produce ignoramuses, three classes and that's enough, put a cross where they show, you can even not teach to read.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 29 September 2020 12: 40
      +2
      So they have already been spawned. And who? progress: iPhones, smartphones .. The teacher, explains, beats like a fish on the ice, and they poke their fingers into the iPhone, it's more interesting. Or the parent, sent an SMS: did you eat? Did you wear those pants? etc. does mom need to answer? It is necessary ... And then they sit together and teach lessons, they say they explained everything badly at school ... Now an iPhone, a smartphone ... must become both a teacher and a head teacher and a school director. laughing
  20. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 29 September 2020 12: 35
    +5
    Silly idea. Well, they will not go to school - they will walk on the street. They will also be infected. And what's the point then? Cover the back for the Ministry of Education?
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 29 September 2020 13: 10
    0
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    From Novo-Ogarev? hi

    This is ... a state secret! belay bully
  22. Radikal
    Radikal 29 September 2020 13: 12
    +1
    Quote: Malkavianin
    Silly idea. Well, they will not go to school - they will walk on the street. They will also be infected. And what's the point then? Cover the back for the Ministry of Education?

    Rather, an imitation of child care. sad
  23. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 29 September 2020 13: 18
    +2
    For a bearer, the more deer around the better. Borders open and school holidays are introduced! ?
  24. Maks1995
    Maks1995 29 September 2020 13: 55
    +2
    Rejoice! Another initiative of Sobyanin!

    He is so creative that even the notorious Latynina from Echo of Moscow heard him and praises him.
  25. Alexander X
    Alexander X 29 September 2020 14: 47
    +2
    In the class of my grandson (2nd grade, Moscow) 11 people have already got sick. The daughter and grandmother were infected by their grandson and are also sick. ARVI. They have been ill for the second week. So it's better to extend the vacation than everyone will be reinfected. By the way, the grandson's school was on vacation and was originally planned in early October ...
    1. Volodin
      29 September 2020 15: 55
      0
      Quote: Alexander X
      In the class of my grandson (2nd grade, Moscow) 11 people have already got sick. Daughter and grandmother got infected from their grandson and are also sick

      And there are many classes where no one got sick. Why should children in these classes sit on forced vacations? Strange ...
      1. Alexander X
        Alexander X 29 September 2020 16: 59
        +2
        there are many classes where no one gets sick. Why do children in these classes have to sit on forced vacations?
        *****

        In order not to get sick
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 September 2020 19: 37
          -1
          Quote: Alexander X
          In order not to get sick

          There have already been many comments higher up the branch that children will not sit at home on vacation, they will also communicate with their peers, and, accordingly, become infected as well.
          1. Alexander X
            Alexander X 29 September 2020 20: 43
            -1
            There were already many comments higher up the branch that children will not sit at home on vacation, they will also communicate with their peers, and, accordingly, also become infected

            Well, someone like that. Mine go to me to catch in the Tver forest wilderness. Everyone should be responsible for their children. In general, in the open air, they will be less re-infected than in a stuffy classroom, sitting side by side. I believe that the extended vacation is a forced measure, but it is better to sit at home for an extra week than to lie for a sick person for 3 weeks, moreover, with unknown complications ... Skip a week or 3 weeks. The difference is real.
            By the way, I talk on one forum on interests, so there the "bold" shouted that covid-garbage and the machinations of the Kremlin. At the suggestion of one of the participants to take all the "daredevils" to the red zone, none of them wanted. But they organized festivals and get-togethers, and as a result, now three have already identified covids + their elderly parents infected.
            Therefore, I think that those who are now advocating "close communication" of our children during the epidemic are pests, who wish harm to our children ... And children who want to learn will catch up in an extra week .. IMHO
  26. seacap
    seacap 29 September 2020 16: 11
    +1
    If you think a little logically (we also have those with a normal Soviet education, for whom logic is not a dirty word, not all our bureaucrats have ditched for the past coronavirus), then it seems that if officials are involved in medicine and virology, and not the most intelligent on ordinary issues, and not only in these specialized ones, then we are not talking about a virus and all this is not about quarantine and "care" about health, which a priori cannot be if immunity was systematically and purposefully destroyed all spring and summer population, especially the elderly and children, depriving them of fresh air and relaxation by the sea, in nature. They continue to mock children and teachers with their insane instructions, it seems that the struggle for the final destruction of the education system in our country is coming to an end. Back in the 90s, overseas owners said that such a poor country like Russia did not need science, under the guidance and according to Western guidelines, destructive reforms were carried out using the external neo-colonial management of the HSE, which destroyed the education and upbringing system, and a service delivery system was created. of Tibetan practitioners, an accountant from Sberbank, has long been successfully "crushing" all spheres of life, and now the accountant also determines the policy of education, previously saying that mathematics and physics must be removed from the school curriculum, there is no need to learn anything. Jesuits how to conquer countries successfully works in our time
  27. seacap
    seacap 29 September 2020 16: 17
    +2
    Quote: Dimy4
    They plan to breed ignoramuses, three classes and that's enough

    this is how they achieve it, stupid people do not go to the streets to rally and do not ask questions
  28. O. Bender
    O. Bender 29 September 2020 16: 51
    +1
    The educational process, in some subjects, in particular the English language, is built in a rather peculiar way. Namely, the textbook lacks an alphabet! How can a child correctly pronounce sounds corresponding to letters? letters or sounds? !!. I would like to familiarize myself with the teaching aids for teachers in order to fully understand the intention or intent of people from education.
  29. O. Bender
    O. Bender 29 September 2020 17: 00
    +2
    And yet I would like to add about distance learning, but not just, because you have to work out the topic with the child one hundred percent. But a year ago, in the first grade, there was a message from the class teacher that teaching material was presented at school, and the rest is work parents. Thus, the absolutely correct name is the Ministry of Education. Enlightenment is enough, it is not necessary to educate.
  30. samarin1969
    samarin1969 29 September 2020 17: 07
    +6
    The dear author is in vain worried. Problems will arise for the parents (unscheduled supervision of the child), for the security officials (the growth of juvenile hooliganism), for the school business (they will not eat, they will not sniff out "events"). 80% of children do not learn anything anyway: for them, school is a get-together. And the remaining 20% ​​are able to study outside of school.

    ps For information to the author: few of the children have heard anything about the generals except Zhukov. Checked by the winners of the "Great Patriotic Competition". recourse
  31. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 29 September 2020 17: 17
    +4
    The virus is a pretext for further optimization / collapse / of the education system.
  32. tank64rus
    tank64rus 29 September 2020 20: 20
    0
    Well, I think it started.
  33. Hagen
    Hagen 29 September 2020 21: 19
    -2
    If every time the officials send in such cases all schools on "planned" vacations, which, in fact, are not even planned at all, will this not be an additional blow to the quality of education in our country?

    As a microbiologist, a microbiologist, I want to ask you, do you yourself understand what this COVID carries, even for those who suffered from it asymptomatically? For the same children ... I think not very much. Such a pandemic is really a problem of civilization. And while there are no confident standards for the treatment of this disease, the only opposition to it can only be the barrier separation of society. You are worried that schoolchildren will not study the commanders, while not thinking that the same schoolchildren, as a result of side effects from COVID, may lose the ability to perceive new information in principle. We do not all get vaccinated against the flu, and then some go to hemodialysis every third day. This is the bottom line of medical neglect. I would not so one-sidedly run into the mayor of the city with the greatest growth of the disease, which we do not know how to deal with. No need to shit on power, because it is power. Sometimes you have to overcome difficulties together. It's more productive this way.
  34. Pavel57
    Pavel57 30 September 2020 12: 33
    +2
    The illegality of this coronation infuriates.
  35. Pavel57
    Pavel57 30 September 2020 12: 33
    +1
    Quote: Hagen
    Such a pandemic is really a problem of civilization.


    This is not a pandemic. An epidemic is called an incidence of 5% of the population.
  36. Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 30 September 2020 23: 26
    0
    squared out of Moscow
  37. tolancop
    tolancop 2 October 2020 16: 19
    +1
    They didn’t give the official in time, so as not to climb where he was not asked, he went out of impunity. Since when does the mayor of the city determine the mode of the educational process in educational institutions? This is not enough, it still gives instructions to commercial enterprises how many people they can leave in their offices, and how many they can send home. And what's your business, how many people are sitting in the office? No other worries? Be engaged in the restoration of the collapsed health care (one of your direct duties), you look, there will be more benefits. No, he has to stick his nose everywhere !!!! Will the mayor's office pay losses and penalties to businessmen? Aha ... SCHASSSSSSSSS !!! To take something away is always welcome, but to REJECT THE DAMAGE from your decisions ... did not ... did not hear ...
    It is my deep conviction that the mayor, back in March, a day after signing his decree, had to sit on a chair in front of the investigator of the Investigative Committee, testifying how he came to such a life ... Alas, apparently I will not live to see such an event.