Turkish observer: Iran seems to be quietly supporting Armenia in Karabakh conflict

The Turkish media continue to publish materials on the Armenian-Azerbaijani armed conflict, which flared up the other day with renewed vigor. A TRT report by columnist Murat Sofuoglu looks at "Iran's likely role in this conflict."

A Turkish commentator writes:

Iran appears to be quietly supporting Armenia in the Karabakh conflict.

At the same time, the author does not hide the fact that the aggravation of the situation in the South Caucasus may lead to a complication of relations between Moscow and Ankara. However, Sofuoglu makes a strange remark that Moscow "supports Yerevan in the conflict." In fact, as is well known, Moscow calls on both sides to immediately cease fire and begin the negotiation process.

The article provides a statement by Bulent Aras, professor of international relations at Istanbul University:

In general, Iran seems closer to Armenia in relations with both countries. For example, Iran is developing trade relations with Yerevan, has a certain political alliance with Russia. Iran is looking at the rise of Turkish nationalism with concern, especially given that the country is home to a large number of ethnic Azerbaijanis who sympathize with both Azerbaijan and Turkey.

For your information: today Azerbaijanis are the second largest ethnic group in Iran. According to the most conservative estimates, every 6 Iranian citizen is an ethnic Azeri.

The publication notes that Tehran will not support Azerbaijan, as it fears the growth of separatist sentiments in its northwest.

From the article:

The political argument of Great Azerbaijan (the hypothetical unification of the lands of Azerbaijan and Iranian Azerbaijan) has long been a threat to the Iranian establishment.

It goes on to say that in this regard, it is more profitable for Iran to stake on Armenia to maintain the balance of power in the region.

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[aszzz888]

It goes on to say that in this regard, it is more profitable for Iran to stake on Armenia to maintain the balance of power in the region.

And everyone wants it not with their own hands.

[Insurgent]

Turkish observer: Iran seems to be quietly supporting Armenia in Karabakh conflict

Naturally! Iran has its own view of the processes in the region, and they, to put it mildly, with the Turkish ones, categorically do not coincide.

Somehow the Iranians are not impressed by the increasing influence of Ankara ...

[hrych]

Quote: Insurgent

Iran has its own view of the processes

Erdogan is being chased everywhere and they do not understand his fine mental organization. In Libya, the Egyptians raised wolf flags in front of Sirte. The Greeks do not give up the islands. Idlib was squeezed by the Syrians, but now Iran has its own view With the name Azerbaijan and the name of the people, Azerbaijanis must do something. Vaughn Mikhail Sergeevich did not pronounce it. This is what Azebarzhan says. The name of the area is in honor of the satrap Aturpat, with an Aryan name. Then the Greeks did not pronounce it plainly, the place of the kingdom was named Antropatena. Arabs came, whose diction is even worse - Azerbaijan, and as a result what now. Mom will not recognize poor Aturpat.

[Insurgent]

Quote: hrych

Erdogan is being chased everywhere and they do not understand his fine mental organization.

I have become too arrogant ...

[venik]

Quote: hrych

Erdogan is being chased everywhere and they do not understand his fine mental organization.

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Well, like this: "If you chase two hares, you won't catch a single one!" ... At the "sultan's" - Karabakh is fourth "hare"!

[hrych]

Something early China reminds, Tibet with troglodytes, armed with arrows seized and dizzy, shook in turn in Korea (in full), India, Vietnam and even from the USSR slap in the face ... From hopelessness declared war on the sparrows, and even managed to lose it with losses, as in WWII. Well, we went to sew a coward, in which we succeeded. Rajep also broke up with everyone, with Arabs, with Jews, with Armenians, with Greeks, with Kurds, now they didn't like the Persians, and the Russian Federation almost burned Turkey ...

[venik]

Quote: hrych

Tibet with troglodytes, armed with arrows captured and dizzy, rowed in turns in Korea (in full), India

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Well, here you say "not quite right"! Firstly in Korea it is "Chinese People's Volunteers"(that's how they officially were called) and saved the DPRK from the final defeat, inflicting the Yankees and their allies serious defeat... After that, until the conclusion of an armistice, both sides acted with varying success, until the front line stabilized, approximately at the place from which the war began (at the 38th parallel). So, who - who "piled" it very much big question! Most likely, the Americans and their allies were "piled on" more!
But with during the conflict with India - just no questions! There, the PRC retained a convincing victory, in fact defeating 2 Indian divisions and "chopping off" a piece of Indian territory, punching a road to Pakistan (i.e., they completed all their tasks) ...
But in Damansky - so there they definitely "got rid of" from the USSR!

[hrych]

Yes, we have already argued about this and recently First, it was the North Koreans who attacked, our permanent representative did not appear, so as not to declare a veto, and the UN coalition fought with the Korean-Chinese. The Chinese fought ugly, if both Koreas lost a commensurate number of people, the coalition lost 40 thousand killed and one hundred thousand wounded, but the Chinese lost 400 thousand killed and half a million wounded. One in ten. And if not for the pilots of the spacecraft Zhe Duba, there would be a complete end. The PRC army was essentially destroyed in Korea. Therefore, then the sweep of Taiwan also failed. As it turned out ... forever.

[venik]

Quote: hrych

then the coalition lost 40 thousand killed and a hundred thousand wounded, but the Chinese lost 400 thousand killed and half a million wounded.

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Where are the "firewood"?
And here is some other data:
Killed and wounded:
- China - 360 thousand;
- DPRK - 520 thousand;
- USSR - 0.3 thous.
TOTAL - 880.3 thousand
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- RK - 330 thousand;
- USA - 137.5 thousand;
- "UN" - 14.5 thous.
TOTAL - 382 thousand
(http://warconflict.ru/rus/new/?action=shwprd&id=1334)
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Those. "10 times (!) Well, it does NOT work out ANYWHERE !!! And add to this the colossal difference in the quantity and quality of weapons and military equipment between the PLA and the US Armed Forces ..... AND WHAT happens?
PS Do not forget: All the same, exactly Chinese the intervention forced the US and ROK command to agree to a "draw" !!!

[hrych]

I would say that Black Thursday and Black Tuesday are for the aviation of the Coalition and the United States in particular. When Ka Same Oak with Stalin's falcons showed that the Super Fortress would not pass .. meaning the planned strike against the USSR with fifty atomic bombs. And so yes, as before the attack of the North Koreans and returned to square one. And I trust the numbers of the Chinese less than the USA. At that time, the Americans had not yet adopted the lie. It is closer to Nixon that such a weapon appeared. And the Chinese, they don't know how to count people and don't want to. Plus Taiwan they had no one to take and nothing.

[venik]

Quote: hrych

And I trust the numbers of the Chinese less than the USA.

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I don't really believe much either theOr other!
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Quote: hrych

At that time, the Americans had not yet adopted the lie. It is closer to Nixon that such a weapon appeared.

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Oh is it? Say it too! "Not accepted" .... Yes, they have, FALSE, from the moment of "independence" was a weapon! How, for example, did the Spanish-American War begin? That's right - with provocation and a stream of LIES!
By the way - American historians cite similar figures!
So that -
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And what about Taiwan - that's for sure: the PLA Navy in 1950 was in its infancy, and Taiwan covered the US 7th Fleet!

[hrych]

Let's talk about Karabakh, otherwise there was not enough Taiwan there is a width of 130 km, a million junks and forward

[pin_code]

so the war of the sparrow was the most losing one.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Insurgent

Somehow the Iranians are not impressed by the increasing influence of Ankara ...

In previous comments, the Azerbaijani commentator quoted the Ayatollah of Iran where he expressed support for them, the Azerbaijanis, in their actions against Armenia. He wished success in the conquest of Karabakh. The East, as a woman of easy virtue, is changeable.

[Pereira]

Everyone learns from the British. Only there are few excellent students. Mostly Losers.
The banddeologists, over there, have been matsali for decades about the seizure of Siberia by the Chinese.

[1976AG]

Armenians and Azerbaijanis mortally hate each other for a long time and regardless of the position of Turkey, Iran or anyone else.

[Maz]

Looks like Iizer's hands that have grown out of their ass cannot pull off Turkey's plans for Nagorno-Karabakh ... even taking into account Israeli aid ...
The leader of the nationalist Party of Great Unity of Turkey (bbp), Mustafa Destiji, proposed to put on the parliament's agenda a vote for a mandate to send military to Azerbaijan.

“The parliament should offer the government of the Turkish Republic to send troops in support of Azerbaijan to fight against Armenia. The parliament must approve the mandate to send Turkish troops to Azerbaijan, ”he said.

[miru mir]

even with Israeli aid ...

what help?

[Pereira]

No one doubts this. It is obvious.

[yehat2]

Iran and Saudi Arabia "quietly" imposed sanctions against Turkey's trade and logistics in connection with its support for Azerbaijan's actions.

[Felix m]

I want to tell you one thing. A couple more days of such intensity of the conflict and that Armenia and Azerbaijan need to organize a military express. With approximate parity, well, Az is a little stronger. but the motivation is the Armenians and that the logistics of the delivery of weapons is complicated by that and that (I think Russia will not supply weapons to Azerbaijan now). So about the main thing, I think that the striped ones will now whisper to the Georgians how to behave, it seems that Azerbaijan needs help. Well, of course they would gladly agree. So much for the ears of conflict.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

You know, 100 years ago, without the Americans, the Georgians supported the Azerbaijanis in a similar conflict.

[Nastia makarova]

this is why logistics is difficult in Azerbaijan?)))) we border on them and there is an excellent railway

[venik]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

this is why logistics is difficult in Azerbaijan?)))) we border on them and there is an excellent railway

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Nastya! Feliks obviously meant the difficulty of communication between Russia and Armenia, and Turkey with Azerbaijan! There really are some problems with logistics.

[Nastia makarova]

perhaps so, but it reads that Russia has with Armenia and Azerbaijan

[fn34440]

Judging by the announced losses of the Azerbaijani army, this morning, Iranian military specialists with extensive combat experience are also engaged in the defense of Artsakh. It was not for nothing that special flights from Tehran were rhythmically landing at the Khojaly (Ivanyan) airport during the summer, the heated rhetoric of both Turks and Azerbaijanis contributed to this.

[Incvizitor]

The Turkish ... directly carry out terror against Iran and Syria, why should Iran support them?

[Operator]

Iranian "Azerbaijanis" are the same Persians, but speaking the Turkic language (a consequence of the conquests of the Central Asian Ottoman Turks). In Turkey, the situation is mirrored - the Kurds, who make up 25% of the population, are Iranian-speaking.

So it is quite possible that Iranian Turkic-speaking people are deported to Turkey in exchange for the deportation of Turkish Iranian-speaking people to Iran.

PS If Azerbaijanis continue to struggle in Azerbaijan, the Persians will also be sent to Turkey to reunite "one people" - Recep Erdogan (C)

[Oquzyurd]

Probably the Azerbaijanis of Iran did not read your knowledge about them, otherwise they would behave differently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCuRDx3iv8Q

[Operator]

I am deeply violet on the opinion of Iranian and non-Iranian Azerbaijanis about their ethnic origin.

[venik]

Quote: Operator

Iranian "Azerbaijanis" are the same Persians

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It's completely not true! Azerbaijanis are Turkic-speaking a people in whose formation the union played a significant role Turkoman nomadic tribes. They are rather distant "relatives" Turk, but not the Persians!

[Operator]

Most of the inhabitants of the Anatolian Peninsula (today's Turkey), the Iranian Highlands (today's Iran) and the Eastern Caucasus (today's Azerbaijan, Chechnya and Ingushetia) belong to the same ethnic group - the Northern Semites (carriers of the J2 haplogroup).

It is another matter that in ancient times nomads passed through them like a skating rink - first the Black Sea Aryans (hence the Indo-European language among the Persians and Kurds), and then the Central Asian Turkmens (hence the Turkic language among the Turks and Azerbaijanis). The native North Semitic language, Nokhchi, has survived only among the Chechens and Ingush.

[venik]

Quote: Operator

Most of the inhabitants of the Anatolian Peninsula (today's Turkey), the Iranian Highlands (today's Iran) and the Eastern Caucasus (today's Azerbaijan, Chechnya and Ingushetia) belong to the same ethnic group - the Northern Semites (carriers of the J2 haplogroup).

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Oh-oh-th! Here we run the risk of getting into such a jungle of ethnogenetics (in which "the devil himself will break his leg" !!! Although as far as I "understand about oranges" - in Turkey and Azerbaijan - haplogroup J2 prevails, while in Iran haplogroup R1a is widespread (J2 - mainly - in the south-west of the country .......

[Operator]

The Black Sea subclade R1a in the population of Turkey and Iran is at the level of 15%.

For comparison, the same subclade R1a is at the level of 5% in Saudi Arabia (while the clan of the Prophet Muhammad consists almost entirely of carriers of this subclade), 10% in Syria, and 25% in the Arab states of the Persian Gulf.

[miru mir]

Iranian "Azerbaijanis" these are not Persians and there are about thirty percent of the population. tired of deporting

[Operator]

So in Turkey, Iranian-speaking Kurds make up the same percentage of the population - bash na bash, however

[miru mir]

the Kurds do not have their own state, the Kurds are significantly fewer and the Turks do not stand on ceremony with them.
and no one touches the Azerbaijanis of Iran and no one climbs to them. they are their own power

[Oquzyurd]

Iranian Azerbaijanis will remember these bearded mullahs where crayfish spend the winter.

[Keyser soze]

Iranian Azerbaijanis will remember these bearded mullahs where crayfish spend the winter.

I see your plan for the redistribution of the region is very fraudulent. Only it seems to me that the Wishlist and the reminder do not match. All over the world, great forces are beginning to scratch, but wouldn't it be better to counter-beat you, so in 15 minutes and put an end to the Turkish turmoil .... it hurts to become impudent already.

[Incvizitor]

If Azerbaijan alone fought another question, when the Turkish scumbags intervened, everything changed.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: 1976AG

Armenians and Azerbaijanis mortally hate each other for a long time and regardless of the position of Turkey, Iran or anyone else.

I am embarrassed to ask, whom do Armenians love besides themselves, France and the United States?

[dmmyak40]

Money, of course ...

[Daniil Konovalenko]

The publication notes that Tehran will not support Azerbaijan, as it fears the growth of separatist sentiments in its northwest.

Moreover, this danger has not gone anywhere ...

[Keyser soze]

I wonder what the Turks expected? That the Persians will watch movies and do nothing?

[Oquzyurd]

"That the Persians will watch movies and do nothing?" From the first day, back in 1992, when the Armenians began to seize our regions in Karabakh, from that day the Persians have been helping them. So this is their policy of hypocrisy that has long been known to us.

[Pavlos Melas]

Persians may be lycimers, but you definitely encourage them to do this too. After all, your debate was about to be called Northern Azerbaijan. With an eye on two Iranian ostans. Also this is Yaroslavna's cry for Tabriz.

[rotmistr60]

Iran appears to be quietly supporting Armenia in the Karabakh conflict.

And why in this situation, like Erdogan, knock himself on the chest with his heel and yell to the whole world that Turkey will not abandon Azerbaijan, will help everyone that there is a catch phrase - "two countries, one people." Erdogan showed everyone that he is actively stirring up the conflict, and even if Iran is helping Yerevan with something, it does not shout about it at every corner.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: rotmistr60

that there is also a catch phrase - "two countries, one people."

Some familiar slogan. There is nowhere one leader not mentioned? .

[nobody111body]

It’s in vain that our Syrian ally supports only one republic of the USSR, it will not provide any counterbalance to the Iranian Azerbaijanis, and without that it is clear that the Jews want to kindle an internal conflict in Iran by playing the Iranians against the Azerbaijanis; republics and Armenia and Azerbaijan are part of the Russian protectorate no need to interfere in the internal affairs of Russia

[fn34440]

The Armenian lobby in the US power structures URGENTLY pulled the noose of non-interference on the State Department, the Pentagon, the Committee of Chiefs of Staff, all kinds of intelligence agencies, and so on. interested structures, including the NATO Command, to help Armenia and Artsakh from third countries, EVEN Iran.
Behind Aliyev's back is only MAD Erdogan, with his latest defeats in Libya, Syria, in confrontation with Greece, etc. pan-Turkic troubles for the revival of the Neo-Ottoman Caliphate.

[Lyokha Lokhavich]

so Azeibarjan and Iran are one and the same people! earlier it was one state ... if I'm not mistaken! why support Turkey?

[nobody111body]

that's exactly what the State Department and the Pentagon support this very "mad Erdogan" - and the Armenian diaspora in the United States is a pity in comparison with the Jewish diaspora

[iouris]

Yerevan has the largest US embassy. Why?

[Felix m]

Well, it is not profitable, from the word of the State Department to help the Armenians, and the Armenian lobby cannot cope here.

[orionvitt]

Moscow calls on both sides to immediately cease fire and begin negotiations.

Who cares. Nowadays, with the level of world political elites, everyone hears only himself.