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Armenia denies claims of loss of air assault battalion commander

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The situation developing in Transcaucasia is such that the armed forces of Azerbaijan are making attempts to restore full control over the 7 regions under the actual control of the enemy, and the Armenian side is trying to prevent them from doing so. As you know, heavy equipment is actively used in the conflict, including Tanks and heavy flamethrower systems. And shelling is being conducted not only at the positions of the military, but also at settlements.


It is clear from the reports that neither Yerevan nor Baku has yet heeded the calls for an immediate end to hostilities. Instead, the sides in their reports announce how many units of equipment and enemy soldiers were eliminated in two days of fighting.

For example, the Armenian Info Center publishes a graphic showing that the Armenian armed forces managed to destroy 4 helicopters, 49 drones, 80 armored vehicles, including tanks, 82 army vehicles and 1 aircraft.



The Azerbaijani side calls such reports false. Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan made a statement that there were no aircraft losses in the country's Armed Forces.

It is reported about the activation of the Armenian diasporas in different countries of the world. One of the largest Armenian diasporas lives in the United States. The reports say that in Los Angeles, ethnic Armenians gathered in front of the city hall with an appeal to the US administration "to intervene in the situation and influence Azerbaijan and Turkey."

Meanwhile, Azerbaijan is reminded that the war is taking place on their territory and that the soldiers of the Azerbaijani army did not violate the borders of the neighboring state, unlike the enemy.

O. Vartanyan, Senior Analyst of the Crisis Group Agency for the South Caucasus:

We haven't seen anything like this since the turning of the fire in the 1990s. The fighting is going on in all sectors of the front.

Armenia commented on the Azerbaijani statements about the loss of the commander of the air assault battalion Lernik Vardanyan in the area of ​​the Talish settlement. The Armenian side called these statements disinformation. It was noted that "in this way the enemy wants to bring confusion into the ranks of the Armenian troops, but he will not be able to do this."
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Information Center of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia,
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  1. Don karleone
    Don karleone 29 September 2020 07: 59
    +9
    Who benefits from the war on the outskirts of Russia, I think Caucasians should understand that they are being used, turn on your head, strain
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 29 September 2020 08: 02
      24
      Quote: Don Karleone
      I think Caucasians should understand that they are being used, turn on your head, strain

      Ukraine has forgotten to turn on its head for many years. And these are on the same path ...
      1. hrych
        hrych 29 September 2020 08: 06
        +7
        Quote: Volodin
        which year the head forgets to include. And these are on the same path ...

        Maybe with a toggle switch what?
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 29 September 2020 13: 40
          0
          Maybe with a toggle switch what?

          Of course that ... Usually it is unscrewed over time and a new one is installed. What Russia will have to do later, but it will be in 40 years (for example). In any case, the history of other options does not yet have in its arsenal.
        2. Oleg Kievlyanin
          Oleg Kievlyanin 29 September 2020 21: 27
          0
          There is no toggle switch, one pubic bone, and that one is empty
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 29 September 2020 08: 34
        +5
        Quote: Volodin
        Ukraine has forgotten to turn on its head for many years.

        When they rob, they forget about everything! What do you get from them? This is the mentality. Now I saw an advertisement - they offer quince seedlings ... and the main argument bears fruit "to the envy of all neighbors." Like this. Where can I include my head here ?!
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 September 2020 08: 51
        +4
        Quote: Volodin
        Ukraine has forgotten to turn on its head for many years.

        Ukraine did not turn it on for 30 years. After leaving the USSR, the switch broke.
        Quote: Volodin
        And these are on the same path ...

        Such kings, who, for their own personal gain, lie under the Anglo-Saxons, we must shoot, and not go to die for them.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 29 September 2020 09: 21
          +4
          Ukraine did not turn it on for 30 years. After leaving the USSR, the switch broke.

          I would comment in this way, the very fact of leaving the USSR and the separation from Russia, this is a wire break, and therefore it is not a matter of a switch, its presence or serviceability does not change anything.
        2. ammunition
          ammunition 29 September 2020 16: 31
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Ukraine did not turn it on for 30 years. After leaving the USSR, the switch broke.

          And in the Russian Federation ... not perfect at all. The power and peace of the USSR 50 years ago is an unattainable dream .. now.
      4. Nikanet
        Nikanet 29 September 2020 09: 10
        -13 qualifying.
        Yeah, everyone around the perimeter of Russia with their heads turned off, only Russia with their heads turned on ...
        1. Alexander Dolgov
          Alexander Dolgov 29 September 2020 09: 29
          -8
          Russia has its own problems. But our king always thinks about us
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 29 September 2020 22: 11
          0
          Quote: Nikanet
          Yeah, everyone around the perimeter of Russia with their heads turned off, only Russia with their heads turned on ...

          Don't be surprised at this. Russia, simply, of all those mentioned is the only sovereign state. I do not mean by name, but by essence. And therefore, we do not need to think with the head of the owner from behind the hillock. We have our own on our shoulders.
      5. nobody111body
        nobody111body 29 September 2020 09: 27
        -14 qualifying.
        But when will the Russians turn on the brains? Is it on the territory of the USSR such outrage, blood and destruction when were there? in Moscow, only Jews are sitting, and we Russians are calling "Chobanov" to peace; Yes, you need not call, but give all the tinsel to everyone, because the crush agents recruit everyone with Jewish money, including Ukrainians in Ukraine
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 29 September 2020 10: 44
          0
          Quote: nobody
          But when will the Russians turn on the brains?

          And the Russians, like you, a good citizen, together with your governments, do not lie under the Anglo-Saxons, trading their ass.
          1. nobody111body
            nobody111body 29 September 2020 10: 54
            -5
            So you are breaching for all the Russians here? or are you "russian" from tel aviv
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 29 September 2020 11: 07
              +3
              Quote: nobody
              So you are breaching for all the Russians here?

              For people like you say ... hello from Nizhny Novgorod!
          2. Train
            Train 29 September 2020 19: 37
            0
            If you look at the list of relatives and families whose citizenship is anything but Russia, it is better to keep silent about "not substituting" the backs. But how can you not look at all ... residents and children and relatives are citizens of the USA, England or in Europe .. ...
        2. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 29 September 2020 10: 52
          -1
          Quote: nobody
          But when will the Russians turn on the brains? Is it on the territory of the USSR such outrage, blood and destruction when were there? in Moscow, only Jews are sitting, and we Russians are calling "Chobanov" to peace; Yes, you need not call, but give all the tinsel to everyone, because the crush agents recruit everyone with Jewish money, including Ukrainians in Ukraine

          Well, in truth, it still began with the Gobachov. the same kakrabakh, vilnius, tbilisi. the first mass riots and riots began in 1987. then there was still much that could be fixed. hard crushing these sprouts. but .... those in power did not draw any conclusions, they appointed the military and security officials as extreme. now we just have what we have. and even now the foreign and domestic policy of the Russian Federation is extremely inconsistent, if not completely contradictory. we do not bring anything to the end. this is our misfortune. even if we say for once "A", then then not only "B", but we do not put a comma either. we see the consequences all over practically the perimeter of our country. it would be good to be mistaken, but I am afraid further again Kyrgyzstan and Georgia are on the agenda.
          1. nobody111body
            nobody111body 29 September 2020 11: 18
            -6
            and what prevents our Russian government from stopping these bloody showdowns on the territory of the USSR, after all, this can be done without death and destruction, well, which of the republics will fight the Russian army is simply absurd; why in Moscow they look at all this from afar - yes, because there are no Russians there, that's why
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 29 September 2020 12: 36
              +1
              Quote: nobody
              and what prevents our Russian government from stopping these bloody showdowns on the territory of the USSR, after all, this can be done without death and destruction, well, which of the republics will fight the Russian army is simply absurd; why in Moscow they look at all this from afar - yes, because there are no Russians there, that's why

              Please specify exactly how we should stop these showdowns.
          2. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 29 September 2020 11: 47
            -3
            the first mass riots and riots began in 1987.

            the first mass riots and riots began in 1917. Lenin then carved Russia into pieces by planting a time bomb that went off in 1991.
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 29 September 2020 12: 20
          -2
          Quote: nobody
          But when will the Russians turn on the brains? Is it on the territory of the USSR such outrage, blood and destruction when were there? in Moscow, only Jews are sitting, and we Russians are calling "Chobanov" to peace; Yes, you need not call, but give all the tinsel to everyone, because the crush agents recruit everyone with Jewish money, including Ukrainians in Ukraine

          Moscow is not rubber! fellow
        4. Rage66
          Rage66 30 September 2020 00: 21
          +1
          Are you really Russian? Some kind of muddy stream of thought ...
          I reread it three times, I didn’t understand the message ...
          I understood only total indignation wassat
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    3. hrych
      hrych 29 September 2020 08: 15
      +5
      Quote: Don Karleone
      Who benefits from the war on the outskirts of Russia, I think Caucasians should understand that they are being used, turn on your head, strain

      Not backyards, but rather on the other side of the street laughing I'll say a little unpleasant. These events are beneficial to Russia, extremely beneficial. From the transfer and the already successful disposal of the best Idlib barmaley, to the return of the prodigal Pashinyan to the pope. Weapon contracts from both sides. We have already set up Armenia, something interesting under blue tarps.


      Deliveries of turks go through Georgia, and ours go through Iran. Compare the weight of the ally wassat We also have a failure of the rate on a drone strike without the support of classical aviation. And this without the use of modern electronic warfare, the old OSA coped. Pashinyan while appealing to the West, would have already destroyed Armenia wassat There is no alternative to the CSTO, even this ... sapiens understood. laughing
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 29 September 2020 08: 40
        +7
        old OSA coped


        Cope with the fact that she caught the shells and hit them, and not others? So they are already hitting others sad .




        By the way, the Armenian Wasps, even in range, do not block MAM-Ly. Plus there is a problem with radar detection of small and sedentary targets.

        From a somewhat confirmed photo-video account, so far:
        Armenia
        5 SAM "Osa"
        1 ТЗМ 9Т217Б
        4 T-72B
        1 BMP-1
        8 Ural-43206
        1 GAZ-3307
        1 UAZ-452 "Loaf"

        Azerbaijan
        5 T-72B \ T-72M1 Aslan
        1 BREM-1
        2 BTR-80A \ 82A
        6 BMP-2
        1 BMP-3
        3 UAV Bayraktar TB2
        1 UAV Orbiter
        1 An-2
        1 Mi-24 / 8
        1. hrych
          hrych 29 September 2020 08: 51
          +4
          When a tank moves, it gets an ATGM in a bochin and its ammunition detonates - this is one thing, but when something stands in the trench and is observed from a drone, there is a high probability that it is a dummy. This is called decoy. In the Russian Federation there is a whole production of such an economy. Unfortunately, this cannot be seen from a drone, and if there is no detonation of the ammunition load, then it’s a penny for this shooting.
        2. Alexander Galaktionov
          Alexander Galaktionov 29 September 2020 09: 43
          -1
          Bayraktars as strike UAVs are good Although not long ago the same Wasps shot down Israeli UAVs, and in Yemen they shot down preitors with them
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 29 September 2020 09: 58
            +1
            Wasps shot down Israeli UAVs
            This is certainly good, but something is needed against the small kamekadze drones used by Azerbaijan.
          2. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 29 September 2020 11: 52
            -5
            Accurate strikes. Ours in Syria do not shine with such precision.
        3. Alexander Galaktionov
          Alexander Galaktionov 29 September 2020 09: 46
          -2
          Whoa shot down 3 bayraktar? Is there a photo or video? I wonder what they shot down
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 29 September 2020 10: 23
            0
            Yes, there are some, this is the most loyal account for Armenians. For example, the third TV2 was counted on such a proof.
            https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1310513606837100544
        4. Alexander Galaktionov
          Alexander Galaktionov 29 September 2020 09: 49
          +2
          Here the other day 1 it is definitely possible that even two Il 78 from Azerbaijan flew to Ukraine, which is also interesting to bring
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 29 September 2020 11: 01
            +1
            IL78 - refueller. What could they fly there for? Maybe still il76?
            1. Alexander Galaktionov
              Alexander Galaktionov 29 September 2020 11: 31
              0
              Il 76 sori
        5. g1v2
          g1v2 29 September 2020 10: 59
          +2
          It looks like the truth. By the way, can you track the confirmed losses somewhere? Is there a more or less sane source? And then when both sides each other for a couple of days, several tank battalions in losses, and the number of UAVs exceeding their available number in general, they do not pull at all. request By the way, about the turntable, it seems like the Azeri confirmed that they had lost mi8, not mi24.
          And by the way, it is not clear what he was doing in the an2 battle zone. There seems to be nowhere to transport HP or cargo.
          1. maksbazhin
            maksbazhin 29 September 2020 11: 22
            +3
            The Armenians shot down 49 UAVs, probably all the quadrocopters counted, and the enemy and their own. laughing laughing laughing
        6. Alexander Galaktionov
          Alexander Galaktionov 29 September 2020 11: 34
          0
          UAV strike vessels Bayraktar operators there Turks
    4. Terenin
      Terenin 29 September 2020 08: 23
      13
      Quote: Don Karleone
      Who benefits from the war on the outskirts of Russia, I think Caucasians should understand that they are being used, turn on your head, strain

      Of course Turkey yes .
      Almost from the very beginning of Azerbaijan's independence, Turkey has actively participated in the formation and improvement of the combat capability of the Azerbaijani army. Back in 1992, the countries signed an agreement "On Solidarity and Cooperation", after which regular deliveries of military equipment and annual joint maneuvers began. Actually, Ankara played a key role in developing the modernization of the army of the Transcaucasian republic. Therefore, it is not surprising that after Baku's unsuccessful July attempt to provoke a new conflict in Karabakh, Turkish-Azerbaijani military exercises were announced.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 29 September 2020 08: 51
        0
        Quote: Terenin
        Actually, Ankara played a key role in developing the modernization of the army of the Transcaucasian republic.

        and Israel has participated - drones and "spikes" for example.
        1. miru mir
          miru mir 29 September 2020 20: 23
          +1
          and Russia, for example, the Fagot anti-tank missile system, the Competition anti-tank missile system, the Kornet self-propelled anti-tank missile system, and much and much more.
      2. Nasrat
        Nasrat 29 September 2020 09: 10
        0
        Quote: Terenin
        Of course Turkey.

        I disagree! The whole chain of recent events is the transfer of US troops from Germany to Poland, NATO exercises in Poland on the eve of elections in Belarus + the subsequent non-Maidan + "poisoning" of Lesha, then NATO exercises in Ukraine (with a strategist in the sky of Ukraine!), Ships and a bunch planes and drones around the Crimea .... and then bam Nagorno-Karabakh - from the Baltic to the Caspian and all around Russia !!! We recall the arrival of Pashinyan (a protege from Washington) with the slogans - down with the invaders: It is more believed that Pashinyan is fulfilling the requests of the owners

        The conflict in NK has been going on for a long time, and I am sure that the plans of the military departments of both participants were measures in case the situation aggravated .... Azerbaijan obviously planned exactly as we see ... But, in Armenia, which is also obvious, there was not bad intelligence. . (again, they themselves had + maybe helped).
        At the expense of the mercenaries of the Turkomans from Syria - a statement was made about them from Armenia, clearly inviting Russia to the conflict ... But were these mercenaries? Recep, of course, fell for a mess and is ready to support Azerbaijan (or maybe this guy was "pushed" to this - it was not difficult). The director of this action calls Russia into a conflict in order to confront it with Turkey ... By the way, it is strange that Pashinyan rushed to call Putin, and not to Washington or Paris ...
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 29 September 2020 09: 44
          +3
          Quote: Nasr
          it is strange that Pashinyan rushed to call Putin, and not to Washington or Paris ...

          Armenia is in the CSTO, not NATO
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 29 September 2020 09: 49
            -6
            but the owners of Pashinyan are in Washington .... you think Washington is doing charity work - Venezuela, Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia, etc. - as an example of charity?
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 29 September 2020 12: 13
              0
              Even Khodorkovsky demanded that Russia stop the "insolent Turks".
              Gee. bully
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 29 September 2020 12: 27
                -2
                Quote: Alex777
                Even Khodorkovsky demanded that Russia stop the "insolent Turks".
                Gee. bully

                Once again, this says why this mess was started ... Everything is directed ...
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 29 September 2020 13: 43
                  0
                  And why it was started, and by whom it was directed.
                  Only the performer at the last moment realized that he could get a tambourine on the quiet. He was pretty worried. bully
    5. the finish
      the finish 29 September 2020 09: 00
      +3
      British The Guardian reports on the recruitment of Syrians to carry out "security" tasks in Azerbaijan.
      According to journalists, men from Turkish-controlled areas of Syria are hired under the "guise" of an unnamed PMC to ensure the security of observation posts and oil and gas facilities.
      Directly on the spot, the recruitment is carried out by functionaries of the pro-Turkish terrorist group "Sultan Murad's division", which actively fought in Libya on the side of Tripoli.
      The Syrians are offered contracts ranging from 3 to 6 months for 7-10 thousand Turkish lira per month, which is significantly more than they could earn at home.
      The transfer is carried out through Turkey and further by the forces of the Turkish military to Azerbaijan. At the same time, the recruitment periodically stops and resumes depending on the instructions of the curators from the Turkish intelligence.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 29 September 2020 09: 22
        -2
        It is strange that the British are so actively throwing up such information .... isn't Russia being invited to the conflict? And before that, such statements came from Armenia .. No one has seen the militants yet, but the sediment has already remained ..... a coincidence? I don't think ...
        1. FenH
          FenH 29 September 2020 09: 39
          0
          Quote: Nasr
          It is strange that the British are so actively throwing up such information .... isn't Russia being invited to the conflict? And before that, such statements came from Armenia .. No one has seen the militants yet, but the sediment has already remained ..... a coincidence? I don't think ...

          So the liberda has already screamed, Putin protect the Armenians
          https://vz.ru/news/2020/9/28/1062665.html
        2. the finish
          the finish 29 September 2020 10: 02
          0
          Reuters also submitted similar information from its sources.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 29 September 2020 10: 05
            -2
            The British are trying ... to help Russia get involved in the conflict - is this news?
            Is there a video or documentary evidence of the presence of militants in Nagorno-Karabakh itself - that's the question?
            I know that in the 90s the Azerbaijanis actively involved the Russian military in hostilities and paid for their services, they actually paid .. I know the guys (at that time, employees of the RF Ministry of Defense) who took leave and went to work in Azerbaijan - so they never did not cheat, paid regularly. Interestingly, those who went to Armenia for the same, came without money ... repeat
        3. the finish
          the finish 29 September 2020 10: 22
          -1
          How has no one seen the militants? The list with the names of 80 killed militants has been published.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 29 September 2020 10: 30
            -1
            Quote: finish
            How has no one seen the militants? The list with the names of 80 killed militants has been published.

            80 dead militants? for a day of fighting? Not trained recruits, were they "militants"? At the same time, they were identified as Syrians and managed to publish the list?
            You can publish the list of any kind ... fortunately in Syria, no one will refute ...
          2. Suraikin.Aleksandr
            Suraikin.Aleksandr 2 October 2020 17: 55
            0
            They write that only Syrian Turkomans agreed to go to Azerbaijan. The Arabs avoided participation, for them this war is alien in all respects, for them Azerbaijanis are not who they are not co-religionists (Azerbaijanis profess Shiite Islam), not a kindred people.
            Syrian Turkomans are the main support for Turkey in Syria, it is doubtful that Ankara will use the Turkoman fighters whom it nursed, cherished and protected as best it could in Syria, like cannon fodder in Azerbaijan!
      2. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 29 September 2020 10: 13
        -1
        hired under the "guise" of an unnamed PMC for security
        Aha in five
    6. Slon_on
      Slon_on 29 September 2020 09: 53
      +1
      If we consider this in the context of the global confrontation between the "collective West" and Russia, then everything falls into place: it did not work out to wreak havoc in Belarus, the "departure" of Sisyan is laughter. So it flared up in Karabakh.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 29 September 2020 10: 41
        0
        Further - Central Asia. But now, of course, it is necessary to extinguish active crises.
    7. Romeo
      Romeo 29 September 2020 11: 31
      +4
      What does the backyard of Russia have to do with it ?! Enough to look at everything that happens in the world through the great imperial prism. There is no need to start trying on the role of the United States. One state, the other took away seven regions and does not want to return them, stating that this is a buffer zone in front of Karabakh. Note these areas are not part of Karabakh. And Azerbaijan first of all wants to return them and I think it will return them. Their case is right. If your neighbor takes your balcony and does not allow them to dispose of, then his return will become a damn goal of your life. Do not deny others the right to justice. And you don't need to think that this is a war of intrigue by someone against you personally or against the Russian Federation. They don't give a damn about everything and everyone and our ambitions there now. They have a goal, they go to it and now they will not notice anything around, as with the effect of tunnel vision.
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 29 September 2020 11: 53
        +1
        Their case is right.
        Ethnic cleansing? It would be interesting then to know your opinion about the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine / SBU in Donbass.
        1. Romeo
          Romeo 29 September 2020 13: 09
          +1
          There is no one to clean up in these areas. I repeat, the regions were taken from Azerbaijan and were populated by Azerbaijanis before the seizure. As a result of the fighting in those years, everything there was destroyed.
          And nothing was restored. You cannot live there, there is nothing and no one lives there. Only the military positions of the Karabakh army are located there. So there is no subject for dispute. The APU / SBU is not the topic. Ask where they discuss it.
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 29 September 2020 13: 16
            +1
            And nothing was restored. You cannot live there, there is nothing and no one lives there.

            According to estimates for 2017, the population of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic totaled 147.0 thousand people
            1. Romeo
              Romeo 29 September 2020 13: 29
              +1
              You probably don't understand. Look at the map. All 147 live in Karabakh. We are talking about the border regions of Azerbaijan, which are not Armenians, not Karabakh Armenians never considered their own and were not going to settle them following the example of Israel. These areas are UNPOPULATED NOW.
              Armenians are a practical nation and it is unlikely that an Armenian in his right mind will settle where there is no future for him.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 29 September 2020 13: 35
                +1
                Everything is clear - but firstly, Azerbaijan speaks about the return of Karabakh itself, not only those regions. Secondly, the buffer zone was also created for a reason, by occupying this zone they will either create a threat to Karabakh itself, or they will be vulnerable from Karabakh in this zone, this is an even more unstable situation. In addition, as far as I understand, this zone, among other things, cuts off Karabakh from Armenia itself, correct if you lied.

                Yes, I forgot the most important thing, about
                What does the backyard of Russia have to do with it ?! Enough to look at everything that happens in the world through the great imperial prism.

                So the events there directly affect Russia. There is also a military base. A distant outpost, and the opportunity to get involved in the war ourselves. And the opportunity to quarrel with the neighbors, which are important for Russia. And most importantly, Russia does not need there, first of all, American or Turkish bases.
                1. Romeo
                  Romeo 29 September 2020 13: 42
                  0
                  Everything is correct. If we take all the districts back, the Karabakh will find itself in a difficult situation.
                  But, it will be later. In the meantime, Azerbaijan's actions to return undisputed lands
                  cannot be disputed by anyone. The buffer zone was created by Armenia and Azerbaijan will not be vulnerable if eliminated. On the contrary.
    8. Scorpio05
      Scorpio05 30 September 2020 17: 17
      0
      Are you offering to give the Armenians half of Azerbaijan?
  2. anjey
    anjey 29 September 2020 08: 03
    +5
    Erdogan is playing a triple game on all fronts and LDP laughing And behind him are the same donkey ears of the Yankees. Who will slap him with the "Turkish gambit" ???
    1. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 29 September 2020 08: 16
      +6
      Quote: anjey
      Erdogan is playing a triple game on all fronts and LDP laughing And behind him are the same donkey ears of the Yankees. Who will slap him with the "Turkish gambit" ???

      Rumor ascribes to Peter the Great the saying: "Don't trust three: don't trust a woman, don't trust a Turk, don't trust a non-drinker."
      Judging by the "victorious reports" of the opposing sides, the mood is decisive, most likely for a long time.
      Will "fight" to the last battleship ...
      1. anjey
        anjey 29 September 2020 08: 21
        +4
        The Americans and Israel are in the hands of dragging Turkey with their ambitions into local military conflicts, so he has carte blanche from them for sure, well, troll and blackmail Russia, and may also drag it into the conflict and drive the long-awaited wedge into troubled relations with Turkey.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 29 September 2020 08: 24
      13
      Quote: anjey
      Erdogan is playing a triple game on all fronts and LDP laughing And behind him are the same donkey ears of the Yankees. Who will slap him with the "Turkish gambit" ???

      Over the past few years, Turkey has seriously changed its military-political strategy, expanding its influence in the Balkans, the Middle East and the Caucasus.
      Ankara intervened in the war in Iraq, Syria, Libya, formed a Middle Eastern army of pro-Turkish militants, came into conflict with European countries over the division of influence in the Mediterranean and, in fact, prepared a military foothold in the Caucasus.
  3. Terenin
    Terenin 29 September 2020 08: 03
    12
    The Azerbaijani side calls such reports false.

    Armenia commented on Azerbaijani statements of loss

    Here are the results of the 30-year work of Turkish NGOs in the post-Soviet space and the indecisiveness of Russia's actions due to the dominance of the pro-Western "elite" in power.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 29 September 2020 08: 25
      +6
      Quote: Terenin
      The Azerbaijani side calls such reports false.

      Armenia commented on Azerbaijani statements of loss

      Here are the results of the 30-year work of Turkish NGOs in the post-Soviet space and the indecisiveness of Russia's actions due to the dominance of the pro-Western "elite" in power.

      No matter how anyone likes it, now battles are taking place on the territory of Azerbaijan. Nobody attacked the territory of Armenia. Do you offer Russia to take the side of Armenia and strike at Azerbaijani territory?
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 29 September 2020 08: 31
        +3
        Quote: 1976AG
        Do you propose that Russia side with Armenia and strike at Azerbaijani territory?

        I suggest that Russia, with its decisive actions, and not words about "concern", restore status quo... Otherwise, if Armenia loses Karabakh, we will get a NATO base in Armenia, and a Turkish military base in Azerbaijan.
        Is this really not clear to the Russian leadership?
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 29 September 2020 08: 57
          +6
          Quote: Terenin
          I propose to Russia, by my decisive actions, and not by words about "concern", to restore the status quo. Otherwise, if Armenia loses Karabakh, we will get a NATO base in Armenia, and a Turkish military base in Azerbaijan.
          Is this really not clear to the Russian leadership?

          You can't be a little bit pregnant. And the status quo in that region is exactly it. There are in fact 3 options. Freeze this conflict again, but as we can see, both sides are unhappy with the state of affairs and freezing does not help. Help Armenia, because an ally in the CSTO, but then we go into an open conflict with Turkey, breaking a bunch of economic and military-political projects without getting ANYTHING in return. Or does someone believe that Armenia will compensate us for the losses from confrontation with the Turks? Well, the third option is not to interfere, let them figure it out. Limit interference only by preventing the active participation of the Turkish Armed Forces in the conflict. Which is essentially what we are doing now. For both sides of the conflict are not friends to us in any place. Of course, if our leadership were worse, there would also be a fourth option. To restore the status quo, established at one time in the Transcaucasus by the Red Army. Come and return both sides of the conflict to the bosom of the empire. But it doesn't seem that our current leadership needed that empire. So under the current conditions, I do not see any advantages from open interference ...
          1. Dave36
            Dave36 29 September 2020 09: 09
            0
            God forbid them in the bosom ...
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 29 September 2020 09: 48
              +4
              Quote: Dave36
              God forbid them in the bosom ...

              What's the difference? 80% of them are already here, and even with our passports, but at least there would be a foothold in the Caucasus ...
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 29 September 2020 13: 26
                +1
                God forbid them in the bosom ...

                What's the difference? 80% of them are already here, and even with our passports, but at least there would be a foothold in the Caucasus ...

                But really. Why suddenly "God forbid". How many centuries have lived together and everything was fine, what suddenly became "God forbid"?
          2. Terenin
            Terenin 29 September 2020 09: 25
            -1
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Well, the third option is not to interfere, let them figure it out. Which is essentially what we are doing now.

            Yes, this is what we have been doing lately.
            And, if you take into account the creation of the US group in the Arctic, here is the complete military encirclement of Russia. And, further, the blocking, sanctions, the introduction of NGOs to work in the youth environment, the maddened "fifth column" ... so they intervened ... and we get that
            Quote: oleg123219307
            under current conditions, I do not see any advantages from open interference ...
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 29 September 2020 09: 57
              +5
              Quote: Terenin
              Yes, this is what we have been doing lately.
              And, if you take into account the creation of the US group in the Arctic, here is the complete military encirclement of Russia. And, further, the blocking, sanctions, the introduction of NGOs to work in the youth environment, the maddened "fifth column" ... so they intervened ...

              I still don't understand how this environment will help America so much. For 60 years no one has seriously considered the war with NATO on both sides by non-nuclear forces. And nuclear missiles are parallel to the number of NATO bases around us. Our air defense / missile defense system is quite capable of holding out the 15-20 minutes necessary to ensure the combat stability of the Strategic Missile Forces until launches. And then everything will be unimportant for everyone. As for the sanctions, it was not necessary to play with the opponent in his game on his field. The American model of capitalism and globalism is contraindicated to us in principle. Now, yes, it hurts the rich gentlemen. Well, nothing, maybe they will grow wiser. Better to look to the east and learn some parts of the useful experience. They built what the Union was supposed to be. As for non-profit organizations and work with young people - here I agree to all 200%. Messrs. Shitokrats, ala Soros and company and their local mongrels such as Echo or Navalyat, it is high time to ask for an exit. Here in liberalism with youth policy and freedom of the anonymous Internet, we may well end up in trouble.
              1. Terenin
                Terenin 29 September 2020 22: 19
                +4
                Quote: oleg123219307
                Quote: Terenin
                Yes, this is what we have been doing lately.
                And, if you take into account the creation of the US group in the Arctic, here is the complete military encirclement of Russia. And, further, the blocking, sanctions, the introduction of NGOs to work in the youth environment, the maddened "fifth column" ... so they intervened ...

                I still don't understand how this environment will help America so much. For 60 years no one has seriously considered the war with NATO on both sides by non-nuclear forces. And nuclear missiles are parallel to the number of NATO bases around us. Our air defense / missile defense system is quite capable of holding out the 15-20 minutes necessary to ensure the combat stability of the Strategic Missile Forces until launches. And then everything will be unimportant for everyone. As for the sanctions, it was not necessary to play with the opponent in his game on his field. The American model of capitalism and globalism is contraindicated to us in principle. Now, yes, it hurts the rich gentlemen. Well, nothing, maybe they will grow wiser. Better to look to the east and learn some parts of the useful experience. They built what the Union was supposed to be. As for non-profit organizations and work with young people - here I agree to all 200%. Messrs. Shitokrats, ala Soros and company and their local mongrels such as Echo or Navalyat, it is high time to ask for an exit. Here in liberalism with youth policy and freedom of the anonymous Internet, we may well end up in trouble.

                That's it yes For a long time, the Anglo-Saxons have pitted non-nuclear countries against each other in local military conflicts, and against Russia, figuratively, against a strong and well-armed knight in armor, they let wasps and bees (these same ones are NPOs ...)
                Quote: oleg123219307
                Messrs. Shitokrats, ala Soros and company and their local mongrels such as Echo or Navalat
          3. uhu189
            uhu189 29 September 2020 09: 48
            +3
            There was another option - to create conditions so that this escalation did not occur. So that it was not initially profitable for Azerbaijan to start it because of too high costs. But for some reason it failed. As a result, we now have a choice of bad and very bad options ...
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 29 September 2020 09: 50
              +4
              Quote: uhu189
              There was another option - to create conditions so that this escalation did not occur. So that it was not initially profitable for Azerbaijan to start it because of too high costs. But for some reason it failed. As a result, we now have a choice of bad and very bad options ...

              Or in due time to insist on the transfer of Karabakh to Azerbaijan, and Nakhichevan to Armenia. We would straighten the boundaries and forget about the problem. But we are all strong in hindsight, now we have what we have ...
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 29 September 2020 09: 21
          +1
          Quote: Terenin
          Quote: 1976AG
          Do you propose that Russia side with Armenia and strike at Azerbaijani territory?

          I suggest that Russia, with its decisive actions, and not words about "concern", restore status quo... Otherwise, if Armenia loses Karabakh, we will get a NATO base in Armenia, and a Turkish military base in Azerbaijan.
          Is this really not clear to the Russian leadership?

          Specifically, what actions do you think Russia should take?
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 29 September 2020 09: 29
            0
            Quote: 1976AG

            Specifically, what actions do you think Russia should take?

            He himself does not know .... But he must act decisively !! laughing They are persistently trying to involve Russia in the conflict, to confront Turkey and block the exit to the Mediterranean Sea, and this one there - by decisive actions ... !!!
          2. Terenin
            Terenin 29 September 2020 22: 10
            +5
            Quote: 1976AG
            Quote: Terenin
            Quote: 1976AG
            Do you propose that Russia side with Armenia and strike at Azerbaijani territory?

            I suggest that Russia, with its decisive actions, and not words about "concern", restore status quo... Otherwise, if Armenia loses Karabakh, we will get a NATO base in Armenia, and a Turkish military base in Azerbaijan.
            Is this really not clear to the Russian leadership?

            Specifically, what actions do you think Russia should take?

            Please Alex hi
            It is tough to ask the CSTO the question that this organization is not an empty image undertaking, but can defend. This is very important, since security is the only factor that today keeps Armenia and the Central Asian states in Russia's sphere of influence and protects them from the destructive influence of the Anglo-Saxons.
            Next, step up military action in Syria.
            Invite representatives, oppressed by the Turks, Kurds to negotiations. This is in response to the fact that Turkey, unlike Russia, which called on the parties to show restraint in connection with the situation in Karabakh, clearly expressed its support for Baku.
            Azerbaijan and Turkey are "one people - two states," Erdogan said

            Also through the media and authorities at all levels, incl. force, to prevent in this conflict to ensure the triumph of one religion over another, which is fraught with the strengthening of Islamic extremism, which is critically dangerous for Russia. No one has canceled Erdogan's threat to blow up Russia from the inside in the Islamic regions.
      2. the finish
        the finish 29 September 2020 10: 03
        -2
        For the second day Azerbaijan has been bombing military targets directly on the territory of Armenia in the city of Vardenis.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 29 September 2020 10: 06
          +2
          And Armenia has been striking the territory of Azerbaijan for the second day ...
        2. miru mir
          miru mir 29 September 2020 20: 28
          0
          proof? only not Armenian
    2. Scorpio05
      Scorpio05 30 September 2020 17: 22
      -1
      What do Turkish NGOs have to do with the fact that the Armenian armed forces have settled in the center of Azerbaijan for 30 years and do not want to leave there, do you propose to come to terms with the occupation of a huge part of Azerbaijan? 16 thousand km, by the way.
  4. hrych
    hrych 29 September 2020 08: 03
    12
    It is worth noting immediately what the front-line villages are. These are the former Azerbaijani auls, turned into ruins thirty years ago.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 29 September 2020 08: 35
      +3
      In Azerbaijan there is no word "Aul" or "Auls". In Azeri, the village is "Kend", the village is "Gesebe", the city is "Sheher"
      1. hrych
        hrych 29 September 2020 08: 38
        +1
        We will know hi
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 29 September 2020 08: 55
          -3
          Since the morning hours of September 29, the Azerbaijani army has continued to attack to liberate the city of Fizuli, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry reported.

          According to the information, from 07:00 to 08:00, the Azerbaijani army destroyed four enemy tanks in the direction of Fizuli - Jabrayil.

          Currently, the fighting continues.
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 29 September 2020 09: 49
            -2
            According to information, from 07:00 to 08:00, the Azerbaijani army destroyed four enemy tanks


            Let's immediately give a summary of a thousand tanks per hour and a million Armenians - so in 3 hours you will win the war. laughing
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 29 September 2020 10: 02
              -6
              As a result of the attacks by the Azerbaijani army, the third Martuni motorized rifle regiment of the Armenian armed forces, located in the occupied Khojavend region, was destroyed, the press secretary of the Ministry of Defense Vagif Dargyahli told reporters.

              As a result, the regiment, which suffered heavy losses in manpower and equipment, was completely destroyed.

              The command of the enemy army turned to everyone for help in providing vehicles for the removal of dead and wounded soldiers.
              At your request for tanks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5icFXNECziM&feature=emb_logo
      2. Dude
        Dude 29 September 2020 09: 14
        +4
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        In Azerbaijan there is no word "Aul" or "Auls". In Azeri, the village is "Kend", the village is "Gesebe", the city is "Sheher"

        ... and in Russian - aul! lol
  5. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 29 September 2020 08: 15
    +3
    In general, it is understandable, war to a victorious end, on the one hand and on the other.
    1. svoit
      svoit 29 September 2020 09: 25
      +4
      The status quo is enough for Karabakh, it hardly needs Baku, it does not even dream of Nakhchivan. And the result of the war can easily be the recognition of Karabakh independence, or even a part of Armenia in general.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 29 September 2020 09: 29
        +2
        And the result of the war can easily be the recognition of Karabakh independence, or even part of Armenia in general.
        Europe and the United States will allow?
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 September 2020 08: 16
    +4
    The escalation is unfolding, alas. People are dying. Azerbaijan is determined to recapture "its" regions by blocking Karabakh tightly. It is very likely that he will succeed. This cannot end well.
    1. uhu189
      uhu189 29 September 2020 09: 50
      0
      Yes, just not very similar. And it seems that without Turkey's intervention it will not be possible
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 29 September 2020 10: 38
        +1
        Quote: uhu189
        Turkey's intervention and will fail

        Whining notes manifested in Pashinyan's intonations ... It's not to hold a meeting in the squares ... he splashed preparations for such an offensive ... And he was not ready. Russia, in order to intervene, must have an attack on Armenia! In the meantime, they do not gently touch her. It is not clear how the reinforcements are coming to Stepanakert? Have you cut the roads yet?
        1. uhu189
          uhu189 29 September 2020 10: 46
          +2
          But who will give them the road to cut? There, yesterday evening, there was a slight wedging in on 3 sections no more than 10 km deep. No one cut any roads and did not even take them under fire control
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 29 September 2020 10: 54
            0
            Quote: uhu189
            There, yesterday evening, there was a slight wedging in on 3 sections no more than 10 km deep

            According to the card, yes, but how to believe these cards? This is such a propaganda potential! I would like to look at the operational maps ... but who will give them to look ... wassat
      2. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 29 September 2020 11: 42
        0
        Yes, just not very similar. And it seems that without Turkey's intervention it will not be possible
        Why? Azerbaijan itself has the resources to win, and even more so with Turkey. Armenia can only hope for a miracle. Azerbaijanis will win back on the local population, they love and know how ...
  7. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 September 2020 08: 21
    0
    What can you say about this article, experts ?!
    https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/277130/
    1. the finish
      the finish 29 September 2020 08: 51
      +2
      I read it yesterday. Really.
    2. genisis
      genisis 29 September 2020 09: 32
      +5
      In the event of the outbreak of hostilities between Turkey and Armenia and the participation of the Russian Federation in this process within the framework of the CSTO, any Turkish movement towards the Russian military unit 04436 will lead to the entry of Russian troops into Azerbaijan from the territory of Dagestan. I don’t know how long the Anatolian Turks are planning to hold out in the confrontation with the Russian army, given that the Greeks will not fail to take advantage of such an opportunity, but their Transcaucasian brothers will demolish the Aliyev regime and become part of the Russian Federation in a week.
      1. uhu189
        uhu189 29 September 2020 10: 02
        0
        Turkey has the second largest army in NATO after the United States. And they are NATO members. If your scenario is considered, then it may have unpredictable consequences. It is necessary to prepare for such offensive operations in advance and think about what to do with this later, after the army has entered the territory of a sovereign state. What results will this lead to, even from the point of view of the same country's economy?
        1. genisis
          genisis 29 September 2020 10: 14
          +4
          I commented on an article in which the author complains that the guys from Base 102 will have to partisan when Turkey enters the hostilities. I stated my view that any stirring about the Russian military will lead to the disappearance of a state like Azerbaijan. And only Aliyev and Erdogan will have to partisan together.
          1. uhu189
            uhu189 29 September 2020 10: 25
            0
            I understood, but I'm afraid it's not that simple. From a purely military point of view - yes, this can be done, but from a political and economic point of view - it is unlikely due to the dire consequences of this action
            1. genisis
              genisis 29 September 2020 10: 56
              +1
              Meanwhile, Azerbaijan fired at a military unit in the Vardeni region of the Republic of Armenia. Naturally, before that, having issued a statement that the Armenians from the territory of the Vardeni region fired at the Dashkesan region in Azerbaijan. Now there will be a harsh response from the Armenians. A quite possible further scenario: shelling of Armenia from the territory of Nakhichevan, retaliatory shelling of Nakhichevan by the Armenians, Turkey's statement on the need to protect Nakhichevan in accordance with the Moscow Treaty of 1921 and Turkey's attack on Armenia. Further, Armenia's appeal to the Russian Federation in accordance with Section 4 of the DOKB and the clash between the Russian Federation and Turkey.
              1. uhu189
                uhu189 29 September 2020 11: 12
                0
                I really hope that this madness will end in the coming days. Otherwise it will end very badly for everyone.
                1. genisis
                  genisis 29 September 2020 11: 30
                  +1
                  In my opinion, this will not end soon and as follows: either Armenia will border on the new state formation on the territory of Azerbaijan along the river. Kura, or Armenia will disappear from the world map. Erdogan, having provoked Aliyev into this adventure, violated dynamic homeostasis. I have not heard that there were Turkish names in the works on systems analysis. This means that the consequences are calculated no deeper than the second level. As for the Armenians, they are faced with the fact: either you win or disappear as a state. In this sense, it is much easier for them to make the right decisions.
      2. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 29 September 2020 10: 36
        +4
        will lead to the introduction of Russian troops into Azerbaijan from the territory of Dagestan.
        Let's declare war on Azerbaijan wassat and without a formal reason? And then let's go beat the 2nd NATO army belay ? All our comrades in the CSTO will flee to disown such a policy of the Kremlin, the end of any integration in the post-Soviet space forever.
      3. Scorpio05
        Scorpio05 30 September 2020 17: 24
        0
        All the Armenians dream of fighting Turkey to the last Russian soldier? Does Russia need it?
    3. Terenin
      Terenin 29 September 2020 09: 39
      +6
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      What can you say about this article, experts ?!
      https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/277130/

      Ah, there is an answer at the end
      What was it? The last attempt by Moscow to at least to some extent make up for lost time to strengthen the 102nd base before the trap slams? Very similar.
    4. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 29 September 2020 10: 27
      +3
      What can you say about this article, experts ?!
      You don't need to be a specialist here, just look at the map and the alignment of forces, Armenia will have to fight against the 3rd field army of Turkey, which, in principle, is still a prospect. (though when I told people this 2 days ago (September 27, 2020 14:18) they minus me, claiming that we will shower everyone with nuclear caps)))
  8. Livonetc
    Livonetc 29 September 2020 08: 33
    +6
    Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
    What can you say about this article, experts ?!
    https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/277130/

    "Our 102nd military base in Armenia may become partisans"
    An article about everything and about nothing.
    The headline, in fact, has nothing to do with reality.
    1. nnm
      nnm 29 September 2020 08: 39
      +6
      I agree. Some kind of a jumble of generals on tanks, mutual denials of the parties on TV and it's not clear why the author's recollections are mentioned ...
      On the other hand, given the author's love of verbiage, I did not expect otherwise
  9. Nikanet
    Nikanet 29 September 2020 09: 07
    -4
    [/ quote] So the Armenian Info Center publishes a graphic showing that the Armenian armed forces managed to destroy 4 helicopters, 49 drones, 80 armored vehicles, including tanks, 82 army vehicles and 1 aircraft. [quote]

    Ara yeah uh yeah laughing And why have you indicated so little? wink
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 September 2020 09: 15
    +1
    The point is not whether he died or not, the point is, but what the hell is everyone doing? Is it really not clear to the Armenians and Azerbaijanis that using their contradictions, the striped and their six want to create in the Caucasus a zone of constantly smoldering armed conflict in spite of Russia, which does not see an end and edge like Afghanistan? And those perishing on both sides will be the very firewood from which it will only flare up. Well, people think with their heads.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 29 September 2020 09: 40
      -2
      It can be beneficial for Russia
  11. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 29 September 2020 09: 34
    +2
    Aliyev apparently had no options to calm down the supporters of the war in Azerbaijan and the Turks, once he decided on this armed conflict, now he is loyal and needed by the Kremlin, apparently Pashinyan's position on pro-Russian issues will change, he will be more accommodating with us, and a plus in probable purchases of our weapons and military equipment by both sides, so from the point of view of politics and economics, this conflict is beneficial to Russia, unfortunately this is how the world works
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 29 September 2020 10: 30
      0
      Pashinyan on pro-Russian issues, will be more accommodating with us
      It all depends on the results of the clashes and the position of Moscow.
  12. Victorio
    Victorio 29 September 2020 10: 00
    +3
    Something technicians have filled a bit too much according to reports. and for a month's war will not be enough.
  13. demotivator
    demotivator 29 September 2020 10: 11
    +3
    Oligarchs and their children do not burn in tanks. Capitalism is when your neighbor is always to blame for the problems of your country.
  14. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 29 September 2020 11: 43
    0
    Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
    Il 76 sori Moreover, the transporter of the company
  15. Alexfly
    Alexfly 29 September 2020 11: 54
    0
    Until they learn to confidently shoot down drones and everything that flies from them, there will be severe losses. In 88 Stepanokert was rebuilt after a terrible earthquake, shortly after the destruction of the war ... Although the Ayzers are unlikely to rebuild ...
  16. Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 29 September 2020 11: 57
    +4
    Quote: nobody
    and what prevents our Russian government from stopping these bloody showdowns on the territory of the USSR, after all, this can be done without death and destruction, well, which of the republics will fight the Russian army is simply absurd; why in Moscow they look at all this from afar - yes, because there are no Russians there, that's why

    I myself would like to know what is hindering our government !!!! I don't know what prevented our government from putting an end to Georgia in 2008. elections are coming soon in Georgia and the anti-Russian intensity is going off scale !!! we have laid a mine under our side for very many years. but it was very simple to do everything intelligently.
    I do not know what prevented the government from bringing the "Russian spring" to its logical conclusion in eastern Ukraine. after all, it was very easy then to support the creation of Little Russia as part of the Kherson, Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Nikolaev and Odessa regions. EASY!!! sanctions??? so we already got them fucked up. and more ogreb. not in them it comes out. weakness and indecision. apparently so.
  17. Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 29 September 2020 12: 06
    +1
    Quote: Alex Justice
    the first mass riots and riots began in 1987.

    the first mass riots and riots began in 1917. Lenin then carved Russia into pieces by planting a time bomb that went off in 1991.

    well yes. how. there was neither Pugachev nor Razin, there was no 1905. as long as the power was strong, it was possible to somehow ignore the mess by force. by 1917, thanks to the jerk emperor, RI had collapsed. and if the Bolsheviks did not take power into their own hands, it is not yet known how it would have ended.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 29 September 2020 12: 18
      +1
      Well, why is it not known, they themselves became losers, and also lost the country in 1991.
  18. Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 29 September 2020 12: 40
    -1
    Quote: Ros 56
    Well, why is it not known, they themselves became losers, and also lost the country in 1991.

    who are they ??? can we face the truth? these are not some "they", it is we who have proclaimed the country. what did we do ourselves to prevent this from happening? for myself honestly - NOTHING! sat like rams and thought - it will resolve. did not dissolve. and if there are rams, there will be a shepherd. or wolf
  19. Victorm
    Victorm 29 September 2020 14: 40
    +4
    Quote: Terenin
    Quote: Don Karleone
    Who benefits from the war on the outskirts of Russia, I think Caucasians should understand that they are being used, turn on your head, strain

    Of course Turkey yes .
    Almost from the very beginning of Azerbaijan's independence, Turkey has actively participated in the formation and improvement of the combat capability of the Azerbaijani army. Back in 1992, the countries signed an agreement "On Solidarity and Cooperation", after which regular deliveries of military equipment and annual joint maneuvers began. Actually, Ankara played a key role in developing the modernization of the army of the Transcaucasian republic. Therefore, it is not surprising that after Baku's unsuccessful July attempt to provoke a new conflict in Karabakh, Turkish-Azerbaijani military exercises were announced.
    There are many myths and you have voiced almost everything.

    From the very beginning, from gaining independence, Russia was training personnel.

    The deliveries of military equipment and equipment from Turkey were and are scanty. The fact is that Azerbaijan does not use small arms and artillery weapons of NATO standards, of which Turkey is a member, and, accordingly, its military-industrial complex produces products of NATO standards and calibers. In addition, on most of the heavy equipment produced by Turkey, components and assemblies of European or American production are used, for example, tanks, self-propelled guns, helicopters, respectively, their deliveries are simply impossible, since they are blocked by the countries of manufacture. And for example, there is no point in buying Turkish towed howitzers, where there are no imported components, for Azerbaijan, again, we have Soviet calibers and standards, that is, all 122mm and 152mm howitzers, there is no point in 105mm or 155mm howitzers adopted in NATO countries. So the maximum possible is light wheeled armored vehicles, which, although they have units structurally borrowed from American or European off-road vehicles, are completely produced in Turkey. Turkey supplied communications equipment, etc., plus it has now supplied shock UAVs.
    We all produce equipment in our factories.
    Everything else is bought in the countries of the republics of the former USSR and in the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, why, again, because we have USSR standards.
    The training of military personnel is carried out on their own and in their own training centers, officers are trained in their own universities on the basis of the former Soviet BVOKU and KVVMU, as well as mainly in Russian and, to a lesser extent, in Turkish schools, and both countries, Russia and Turkey, carry out training for us for FREE. Why to a lesser extent in Turkish I hope there is no point in explaining - the same story as with weapons, for example, with rare exceptions, all the weapons and equipment of the Air Force and Air Defense in our country are Soviet and Russian.

    There is no need for any fighters from Idlib or from somewhere else, and it just makes no sense. There is no need for Turkish special forces either. UAV operators have been preparing for a long time in their own training center, by the way one of the best, for those who do not know, let me remind you that UAV production was launched in Azerbaijan long before the first Turkish one took off.

    Turkey is a big country, it has one of the most numerous ground forces in NATO, the second largest after the US, Turkey is a brotherly country, BUT ... You need to understand that today the Azerbaijani army is more than sufficient for the Transcaucasia, many simply forget that the same Azerbaijan is smaller than any not the largest region of Russia, Armenia is even smaller, and Karabakh and the occupied regions around it are generally microscopic territory by Russian standards. In addition, before Russia supplied the S-400 to Turkey, our air defense was, if you take it in proportion, much better armed and more powerful. The situation is the same in many other areas, in general we have more modern tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, small arms, ATGMs, etc.

    Azerbaijan is a priori stronger than Armenia, we have a more powerful economy, a larger population, a larger and better armed army. Armenia was able to win the first war thanks to internal political problems, in other words, the struggle for power in Azerbaijan in the period after the collapse of the USSR and nothing more. Stories about some kind of barmaley from Syria and the like, special forces or the Turkish Air Force, just an attempt by the Armenian side to justify the failures, to belittle the role of the enemy, continue to blow about the heroic Armenian soldier and stupid asker - somewhere on a bench near the entrance to Muhos-nsk such conversations Of course, they will pass and fall into fertile soil if, instead of brains, fertilizers, but ... In reality, one should not deceive oneself and one had to realize that peaceful initiatives, moreover, the plan approved by Russia, were the best possible options. Armenia and its leadership believed in impunity and the ability to pull the cat by the scrotum for another half a century, ignored the warnings of Russia, their partner and ally, and with the change of leadership, they turned their backs on Russia.

    Of course, now everyone uses the situation in their interests, Azerbaijan is seeking justice and cleansing its territory from the occupiers, Turkey demonstratively taking a pro-Azerbaijani position is gaining more and more points, Russia is replacing the Soros fosterling, BUT only the United States wins. What was done cannot be returned, the war began and as soon as it began both Russia and Azerbaijan lost. Whatever the outcome of the war, Armenia will be cut off from Russia, in fact Russia will be driven out of the Transcaucasus. The Americans did not come up with anything brilliant here, they just played along with Russia, well, they won, as they did more than once before, the last example is Ukraine. The weakening of Russia in general or specifically its positions in the Transcaucasus is unprofitable for Azerbaijan, given the influence and size of the Armenian diaspora and lobby in the United States and Europe, it is Armenia that will become the outpost and support of the United States in our region, many talk about history, but forget history, then they will be surprised by the turn Yerevan by 180 degrees. If Russia is unable to turn the tide in Yerevan, Armenia will join NATO either together with Georgia, or even earlier, despite the fact that the Georgians have been sitting with outstretched hands at NATO headquarters in Brussels for many years. But NATO does not shine for Azerbaijan, and first of all because of Turkey, which is tolerated there only because of the number of ground forces and a favorable geographical position.
  20. akvanavt98
    akvanavt98 29 September 2020 21: 56
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    Quote: Volodin
    Quote: Don Karleone
    I think Caucasians should understand that they are being used, turn on your head, strain

    Ukraine has forgotten to turn on its head for many years. And these are on the same path ...

    very much agree
  21. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 29 September 2020 22: 06
    +1
    in Los Angeles, ethnic Armenians gathered in front of the city hall calling on the US administration to "intervene in the situation and influence Azerbaijan and Turkey."

    If the members of the Armenian diaspora themselves do not want to intervene in the situation and influence Azerbaijan and Turkey, preferring Los Angeles to the trenches of Karabakh, then why should people completely alien to this conflict intervene in this situation? This is some kind of massive psychosis they have, in my opinion.
  22. Victorm
    Victorm 29 September 2020 23: 59
    -2

    Boys ... whoever they are ...
    At one time, 1972 was shredded in our country, now, along the way, in Armenia it will mow 2000-2001.