Azerbaijani troops presented an ultimatum to the enemy - Turkish press on the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh

The topic of the aggravation of the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh is today covered in the media space of many countries of the world. Special attention is paid to the new round of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict in Turkey. Some time ago, Turkish media reported that the command was ready to send a detachment of elite special forces to Azerbaijan "to defend territorial integrity."

The Turkish press emphasizes that the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh de jure belongs to Azerbaijan. Based on this, Ankara considers attempts to resist Baku in this region as acts of separatism. From the point of view of international law, everything is legitimate. However, this kind of Turkish logic for some reason does not explain how it happened that Ankara does not consider those who oppose Damascus in Syria as separatists ...

Turkish observer Sertach Aksan writes that "Armenia is committing aggression against Azerbaijani territory." And here there is something wrong with Turkish logic. Indeed, in this case, the same Sertach Aksan and official Ankara must admit that Turkey is committing aggression against Syria, since the Turkish military was not invited to this country by either the official authorities or the UN Security Council.

Also, the Turkish press actively describes the use by the Azerbaijani side of weapons and military equipment produced in Turkey, including reconnaissance and strike Drones.

In the material of the Turkish agency "Anadolu" it is reported that after striking the Armenian positions in the Agderin region, it was proposed to surrender the enemy's garrison weapon.

From the material:

Such an ultimatum was presented to the enemy by the Azerbaijani troops with the aim of avoiding a complete defeat and an increase in losses.

It is important to note that the Turkish side does not call on Baku and Yerevan to negotiate. The main focus is the actual support of the fighting.

Meanwhile, reports came from Iran, which say that as a result of the hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh, several ammunition flew into Iranian territory. Fortunately, there were no casualties.

Comments

[iouris]

A classic distraction operation is performed. The question is: which of the opponents (or maybe both at once) arranged this story. It is necessary to block the supply of militants from B.Vostok to Azerbaijan. Although they already believe that Azerbaijan is B.Vostok.

[kapitan92]

Quote: iouris

It is necessary to block the supply of militants from B.Vostok to Azerbaijan. Although they already believe that Azerbaijan is B.Vostok.

It is urgent to close the border. Now, both of them will trample mother in Russia. There are too many of them here.

[paul3390]

Yes, actually - Russia can stop all this crap in a couple of hours - just by announcing that it will deport all citizens of both sides back home, if they do not stop immediately .. Like defending the homeland. We have more of them hanging around than living in Armenia and Azerbaijan ..

[Linxs]

How do you imagine it if 90% received a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation?

[paul3390]

To recognize the receipt of passports as illegal for example .. I am sure - if you dig each one, they were clearly received without reason. In general, it is high time to carry out, say, re-certification of all citizenships issued since 1991 ..

[Hypertension]

Quote: paul3390

In general, it is high time to carry out, say, re-certification of all citizenships issued since 1991 ..

As if the Russians from the former republics of the USSR did not suffer ... The rest will pay off as always.

[Machito]

Quote: paul3390

To recognize the receipt of passports as illegal for example .. I am sure - if you dig each one, they were clearly received without reason. In general, it is high time to carry out, say, re-certification of all citizenships issued since 1991 ..

It can be made even easier: to arrange massive checks of Armenian and Azerbaijani businesses in Russia. Make a census of Armenians and Azerbaijanis in the Russian Federation through the students of Russian schools. This is exactly what they did to the Georgians in 2008. All this public will quickly clear the brains of their presidents. And peace will come. Money rules the world, brother. (FROM)

[Butchcassidy]

There can be responsibility for your words - from administrative to criminal. As for the children - yes, there was a story when in one of the Moscow schools they tried to count someone with Georgian surnames. They quickly wrote out stars ... to such initiators. Don't be nonsense.

[Dikson]

... In the near Moscow region, stop by and see in the morning who goes to school ..))) And by the way .. that's why the diasporas are not outraged yet - it seems like they wanted to introduce Orthodoxy Lessons .. and in Moscow, apart from Orthodox priests, it's time to Honorable Mulls to be invited to teach the history of religion, so to speak .. Although personally I am strongly against any approach and participation of religious structures in state education. - the parents want - let them send their children to study in madrasah and parish schools ..

[Linxs]

Recognize illegal FMS, FSB, oath, control of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Famously you ...
There may be all the structures at once, who were in a "conspiracy" against the wall?

You, I hope, reported about the illegal issuance of citizenship to the FMS, the FSB?


Will you, of course, re-certify citizens for citizenship?

Wonderful things ... However!

[paul3390]

To begin with, to adopt a law on the indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation. These are those whose ancestral territories are part of Russia and who have no other state. From this and proceed. Let's say Russians, Yakuts, Nenets, Adyghe, Chechens, etc., etc. are at home here, but Armenians or Tajiks, for example, are not. And to establish citizenship only for indigenous people. For the Russian Federation is their homeland. And the rest have their own countries. Come and live there. If they want to live here, they can be admitted, but only with a residence permit. No citizenship. Based on this law - to review the state of citizenship since 1991, with the replacement of passports. More or less like this.

Also add that those whose parents lived on the territory of the RSFSR also have the right to citizenship. And then under Soviet rule, many were scattered across the expanses of the former common homeland ..

Otherwise, soon the entire former population of the USSR will move to us in full force. When the Union was divided, they honestly received all their share in the form of national states. What the hell, then, shove here? First they fucked up their own, now they started ours? If you want to be citizens of Russia, let your country join the Russian Federation. Otherwise, you have nothing to do here. Take care of your home.

[Linxs]

Paul3390
I understood correctly that you:
1. Have you applied for the illegal grant of citizenship?
2. Have you filed a complaint with the FMS, the FSB, the Investigative Committee about this?
3. It turns out that everyone (the Federal Migration Service, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and all state bodies that are involved in granting citizenship are corrupt and, and only one, you D'Artagnan realized that 90% of the issued citizenships were carried out illegally?

But ...

Why didn't you write a statement about the crime? I've written and you won't believe it, but the FSB (as well as with the Ministry of Internal Affairs) promptly respond even to electronic requests (you don't even need to raise the 5th point). They send an electronic response and a scanned response with the number, signature and surname of the employee who gave you the answer within the legal response period.

And if you did not write a crime statement, then your dreams and statements are worthless here. Sorry for the truth.

[Butchcassidy]

And where did you get the idea that Armenians or Tajiks cannot be an indigenous people in Russia? What nonsense. There are areas in Astrakhan where the Astrakhan Kazakhs live and have lived there from time immemorial. There are regions where Armenians have been living for hundreds or even thousands of years continuously, for example, in the Crimea. Are you drug addicts there, are you going out with such initiatives? Georgians have been living in Moscow on a permanent basis since at least the beginning of the 18th century. Why should they, according to your perverted logic, be in large numbers. You are just logically finished (in a bad sense of the word) Baltic states. Those reached the racist status of "non-citizen". But these are political dwarfs with a bunch of historical complexes. And you are proposing to introduce this practice in historically imperial Russia.

You must think about your head, my friend, your head.

[Okolotochny]

There are regions where Armenians have lived for hundreds or even a thousand years continuously

Rostov, for example, is the Nakhichevan region. Or Armavir.

[Dikson]

Gentlemen, debaters .. Here is such an incident .. - if you are from the USSR .. you yourself did not write an application for obtaining a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation? If not, then All citizens of the USSR, just like you, have the right to this Citizenship ... Speaking of history .. - Armenians are one of the oldest nations on the planet .. It is a nation, not just a nationality ... It is sad and funny to see how political intrigues and manipulations make people enmity .. compare the arguments about the need for the presence of the Russian Federation in Syria .. and the arguments about the non-presence of the Russian Federation in Armenia ... That is, in faraway Syria, militants terribly threaten the security of our country, and in Karabakh and Azerbaijan, where our friend Erdogan is throwing them, are they not a bit scary to us? The CSTO, NATO .. ​​- this is all good, but the real barmaley, because of whom our fighters died and are dying in Syria .. as a result of the actions of our beloved President Erdogan, they were very close .. And we all understand where they will end up in a month .. - in our Caucasus .. This is undoubtedly a huge "success" of our policy .. And the Karabakh conflict in comparison with that is a minor nuisance.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: paul3390

To begin with, to adopt a law on the indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation. These are those whose ancestral territories are part of Russia and who have no other state. From this and proceed. Let's say Russians, Yakuts, Nenets, Adyghe, Chechens, etc., etc. are at home here, but Armenians or Tajiks, for example, are not. And to establish citizenship only for indigenous people. For the Russian Federation is their homeland. And the rest have their own countries. Come and live there. If they want to live here, they can be admitted, but only with a residence permit. No citizenship. Based on this law - to review the state of citizenship since 1991, with the replacement of passports. More or less like this.

Also add that those whose parents lived on the territory of the RSFSR also have the right to citizenship. And then under Soviet rule, many were scattered across the expanses of the former common homeland ..

Otherwise, soon the entire former population of the USSR will move to us in full force. When the Union was divided, they honestly received all their share in the form of national states. What the hell, then, shove here? First they fucked up their own, now they started ours? If you want to be citizens of Russia, let your country join the Russian Federation. Otherwise, you have nothing to do here. Take care of your home.

As a Russian citizen of non-Slavic origin, while having the citizenship of a rather developed national country by Western standards, I want to note that Russia is an Orthodox country. By adopting this kind of law, automatically depriving brothers in blood and religion from Ukraine and Belarus of the opportunity to organically replenish the titular nation with fellow Slavs with a similar culture and mentality, you will simply destroy the identity of the Russian Federation.

[Okolotochny]

And what if you also CHANGE non-co-religionists? Albert, can you give an example?

[Krasnodar]

To drive to the Kuban?
Greetings!

[Okolotochny]

Hello shalom! Is she rubber? In the nineties, there was a joke in the villages: “Do you know how well the Armenians sing“ You, Kuban, you are our Motherland? ”I have no national connotation. how would they look with our anthem? I throw you an idea of ​​show business.

[Krasnodar]

This could have been thrown at the late Gatov - just in his style

[Okolotochny]

Leonard to whom? He is also from ... ?

[Krasnodar]

Yes, but baptized. That is, it does not count anymore)).

[Okolotochny]

The general's phrase from "Features": "Well, you fucking give!"

[Krasnodar]

Nowadays there are very few Jews left in Krasnodar. But a new generation of Israelis comes, like me - mostly commerce))

[Okolotochny]

I studied in Sugar with a girl - Julia Trott, in the last year she got married. Haven't you heard of this?

[Krasnodar]

If you got married, then under this name definitely not))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: LinxS

How do you imagine it if 90% received a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation?

Leave those who received passports at the Union, and then business.

[gsev]

Quote: tihonmarine

Leave those who received passports at the Union, and then business.

And if a person in troubled 1990 began to work in Russia and since then has regularly paid taxes. If he knows only Russian normally? If his entire mentality is Russian, although his appearance is Azerbaijani, and his parents bought the document (passport) 25 years ago, when he was 11 years old?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: gsev

If his entire mentality is Russian, although his appearance is Azerbaijani, and his parents bought the document (passport) 25 years ago, when he was 11 years old?

Then I don’t know.

[Roman13579]

He's just making up nonsense ..))
By the same analogy, then, let's stop the war in Donbas .. deprive (declare) all Ukrainians of passports .. and deport .. and peace will come ..))

[Vadim237]

In this regard, it can be easier to do with Ukrainian labor emigrants - if you want to work in Russia, please pay a patent of 300000 rubles.

[gsev]

Quote: Vadim237

In this regard, with Ukrainian labor emigrants

I think the CIA and the SBU have long sought to make the life of Ukrainian workers in Russia impossible. In Dnepropetrovsk there is a peaceful work for 10 rubles for a young man or girl, or about 000 rubles for a punisher. At the height of the war, many left to work in Russia, leaving the military registration and enlistment offices to recruit in punishers mostly homeless drunks who were unable to prove themselves wherever else.

[Maz]

The military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh threatens to seriously affect the oil and gas market in the region and hit Russian companies.

Turkey and Azerbaijan are not only political and military allies. In recent years, the oil and gas economies of both countries have become maximally interdependent. Russia was gradually excluded from the economic formula for interaction.
Gazprom has completely lost the Turkish gas market. In fact, deliveries via Turkish Stream stopped, and Blue Stream, having got up for scheduled repairs, was never launched.

Turkey is replacing Russian gas with raw materials from Azerbaijan, which has become the largest supplier to the country. Over the past six months, Azerbaijan exported 8,7 billion cubic meters of gas. Fuel supplies from the Shah Deniz field to Turkey via the Trans-Anatolian gas pipeline in January-August approached 3 billion cubic meters.

Now Azerbaijan holds a 23,5% share of the Turkish market, Iran - 14,2%, and Qatar and Algeria are on the first lines in the supply of liquefied natural gas. Russia dropped to 5th place in the list of suppliers.
The supply of Russian oil to the region is under threat. STAR, Turkey's largest refinery, has replaced Urals supplies with grades from Iraq and Norway. The plant with a capacity of 210 barrels per day, which belongs to the Azerbaijani SOCAR, for the second month in a row does not buy a barrel of Urals, although in the past it was one of the country's largest clients of Russian oil workers.

According to experts, the involvement of an increasing number of oil-producing countries in the conflict may negatively affect the OPEC + agreement, where the opposing countries of the Caspian region are represented. The delicate balance of agreements can be reset by a new war. © 2020 [Bloomberg] (https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFgPdg_gmFNPOhYEJg)

[Brturin]

Quote: Maz

The military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh threatens to seriously affect the oil and gas market

It can be reflected in many ways, including the Turkish lira, which has set another record for falling ...
“There are fears that the Turkish economy, which is on its knees, and Ankara is actively involved in the escalation of conflicts in northern Syria, with Greece in the Mediterranean, may be drawn into another regional conflict that it cannot afford either politically or with from an economic point of view, ”said Jeffrey Halley, senior analyst at online broker Oanda in Singapore, Bloomberg reports.
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/09/28/karabah-obrushil-liru-turciya-ne-mozhet-pozvolit-sebe-eshchyo-odin-konflikt

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: paul3390

Yes, actually - Russia is able to stop all this crap in a couple of hours - just by announcing that it will deport all citizens of both sides back home,

You can't. Moscow will depopulate ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: paul3390

Actually - Russia can stop all this crap in a couple of hours - just by announcing that it will deport all citizens of both sides back home, if they do not stop immediately ..

Are you serious or overeat raw tomatoes?
First, it can destabilize the situation in our cities.
Secondly, the EU and the US will immediately squeal about infringement of rights and so on ... and again sanctions, a stench for the whole world, and screams about evil Russians.
Thirdly ... how do you imagine the expulsion of millions of Armenians and Azeibarjans? For example ... Sochi is secretly considered the second capital of Armenia. There, spit and fall into an Armenian. Are you proposing to empty Sochi? Seriously?
And fourthly ... the flow of REFUGEES from the other side will be many times greater than those who are being deported. And refugees are not workers, they are ballast for the state's economy and terrible hemorrhoids, starting with law enforcement agencies and ending with social structures. Look at Germany, just don't understand.

[Oden280]

Why let the refugees go? Close the border and let them cook on their own. The screams of the West do not care at all. will not get worse, just not where.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Oden280

Why let the refugees in? Close the border and let them cook on their own

Has the severe EU border closure stopped the flow of refugees?
Read the CONVENTION ON THE STATUS OF REFUGEES at your leisure.

Article 33 - Prohibition of the expulsion or forced return of refugees (to the countries from which they came)
1. The Contracting States will not in any way expel or return refugees to the border of a country where their life or freedom is threatened by their race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion.

[Oden280]

And they did not close them tightly. It closes very easily. Quarantine due to a virus. We don't need these freeloaders for nothing.

[paul3390]

What do you mean - you certainly heat tomatoes in the microwave?
How to destabilize the situation? And what are we feeding 400 thousand Rosgvardia snouts for then?
Are you strongly scratching that the West will yell? Is it like a liberalist? So anoint something for scabies.
Expulsion? Yes, easily. Deprivation of passports and the right to work and business. They will knock themselves down.
And you also intend to let refugees here ??? Do we have a border and border troops purely for force? Russia - a front yard or something, so that everyone who wants to roam here ??

[NEXUS]

Quote: paul3390

Expulsion? Yes, easily.

Collect the sequence of events of this deportation in a pile in your head, and think about the resource that will have to be used for this, from money to human.
And the second ... I repeat, WARFARE REFUGEES on the drum of the border and your bubbles. Don't believe me? Look at the EU. At first, they were puffed up, they were expelled, and after the corpses of refugees who swam across the ocean in boats began to be caught in France, the ardor diminished. Now, in the same Germany, whole neighborhoods in cities are inhabited by Arabs. And they live on benefits, while not working at the reproductive organ and twisting all the democracies and desires of the Germans themselves.
Do you think it won't be that way with us?

[paul3390]

Worry about your head if the obvious things don't fit. What should we look at Europe - they themselves let everyone in. And once again - if we are not able to control our borders - what kind of country are we then? Why do we need the army, border guards, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and so on? Write nonsense, fapay on European tolerance.

[NEXUS]

Quote: paul3390

Write nonsense, fapay on European tolerance.

I am writing, dear, THAT RUSSIA SIGNED THE CONVENTION ON REFUGEES! If it doesn't reach you, then continue to write your game here.

[paul3390]

You're just delusional! Russia to you what - a biological sump for the whole planet ?? Why did you decide that we are obliged to let everyone come to us ??

[vindigo]

You can't get enough of our benefits. Can we set up guarded camps so that these refugees would sit there and not commit crimes in our cities? And then escort them back. Although yes, it is weak for our bosses.

[NEXUS]

Quote: vindigo

You can set up guarded camps for these refugees to sit there,

Excuse me, and Masha for her thigh, but who will do this? We have hundreds of thousands of street children walking around the country (of our citizens). Do you strongly observe positive movements in this direction of our helmsmen?
I repeat, we do not need this military hemorrhoids near our borders for nothing.

[vindigo]

There is such a person! Academician Ramzan Kadyrov! I am sure that he will bring such order among the refugees that they will passionately love their homeland and next time they will fight for it, and not desert.)

[mikh-korsakov]

Vyacheslav! "both will trample into Russia"? Will they be allowed in? Airplanes do not fly there, trains do not run. Personally, I have no obvious claims to both of these peoples, what claims there may be against the people. people are made up of people, and people are different. But the authorities of both those and others are hostile to Russia. It is not Pashinyan who promotes Soros Russophobes to power, closes Russian television, rotting pro-Russian politicians in prison. And how the smell of fried - Russia help! As for Aliyev, one can thank for one thing that he sits not on two chairs, but on one Turkish one. There is nothing you can do about it. Special thanks to Messrs. Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Therefore - let them. We have nothing to catch there.

[Nastia makarova]

planes flew to Armenia constantly

[NEXUS]

Quote: kapitan92

It is urgent to close the border. Now, both of them will trample mother in Russia. There are too many of them here.

Do not stir up hysteria, dear. The Turkish press and the media are trying to achieve this, so that the psychosis begins, and someone fires.
We don't need this war on our borders, but the Turks are very good at it. And don't forget Turkey is a NATO member.
Until the guns started talking, our diplomats will dig the earth in order to prevent war.
But the Turks, on the contrary, will do everything to shed blood.

[ashot1973]

Do not worry! The Armed Forces of Armenia will not allow this ...!

[Livonetc]

Azerbaijan puts itself in an extremely unfavorable position.
Nobody will support them except Turkey.
Conversely, both the European Union and the United States will be condemned.
Accordingly, it is possible to impose various sanctions against Azerbaijan.
In fact, Turkey is drawing Azerbaijan into further escalation, pursuing its own interests and ambitions.
Does Azerbaijan need it?
Azerbaijan is making a serious mistake.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Livonetc

will condemn both the European Union and the United States.

Morality will be read angrily. They will leave the UN hall and enjoy the sparkle from the hot spot near the Russian Federation.

[rruvim]

Exactly! Nagorno-Karabakh has already become de facto for the EU, and no one cares about legal aspects for a long time. So is the division of Cyprus. But!!! Turkey's "sultanism" is a clear threat to the EU! Apart from Greece - for Bulgaria and Romania.

[novel66]

the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh de jure belongs to Azerbaijan

damn it! but what about Ararat?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: rruvim

Apart from Greece - for Bulgaria and Romania.

If these countries in the EU decided something, then the EU would have long ago connected auto-payment for subsidies for them)

[rruvim]

It's not time yet. But surely after a while something will be decided, especially against the background of the Ottoman threat.

[Keyser soze]

Turkey's "sultanism" is a clear threat to the EU! Apart from Greece - for Bulgaria and Romania.

I agree one hundred percent. I think the Balkans will begin to arm themselves at a tremendous pace. In the end, the American soldier will spread bread and butter. It is already clear about the military bases - the Greeks invited them, and why should they do that ... they cannot cope with the mad sultan themselves.

[Wolf]

This is about the condemnation of the United States and EU in question. To count one hundred neo-Ottoman ambitions of the Sultan are fueled by the secret service of Evil Britain and the United States as a weapon of pressure on both the EU and Russia. Turkey clearly benefits from the economic and political influence on Azerbaijan, and politicians in rich Azerbaijan are clearly not wearing a doll who are interested in their people. Someone from Azerbaijan or Armaneia received a decree that it is necessary to start both under NATO control. Under the pretext of the war in Nagorno-Karabakh, transfer a huge number of militants from the BV on the border of Russia and Iran.
The question is what should Russia do? Apparently someone invites Rusiu to the war in the Caucasus.
But in my opinion, this is why the United States has strengthened in Syria to free the militants for the war in Karabakh.
Russia can answer both asymmetrically and PUSH IN SYRIA AND THE Militants AND THE USA AND TURK AND THE ACCENT OF MILITARY ACTION WILL RETURN TO SYRIA AGAIN ON ONE OF ITS BORDERS?
And in fact the game of Chess was not invented by the Indians!

[Rage66]

How will they be condemned? Maximum "express deep concern."
Nobody there will be harnessed for anyone else.

[NEOZ]

Quote: iouris

A classic distraction operation is performed.

distraction from what?

Quote: iouris

The question is: which of the opponents (or maybe both at once) arranged this story.

clarify the goals and objectives of this "story"

Quote: iouris

It is necessary to block the supply of militants from B.Vostok to Azerbaijan.

what kind of militants? why militants? how will the escalation help with the supply of militants?
ps
admit it, you wrote the script for "game of thrones"?

[Maz]

It can be seen that the Turkish-Iizer offensive was exhausted and choked up, running into an echeloned defense, with controlled minefields, cut-off positions and reserve positions equipped with places for ambushes in dangerous and strategic directions. Moreover, an AN-124 flew to Yerevan yesterday from Russia .... and it flew by a very tricky route.

Apparently he brought something very valuable, dangerous and heavy, in order to reason with the real aggressor, which is undoubtedly Turkey and Izeria, supported even on the day of judgment by the transfer of weapons from Israel from the southern airbase of the Internal Affairs Directorate. Well, yes, the United States cannot be harnessed there after the tension with Turkey, so they harnessed their mongrel - to add gasoline to the flame of war. Israeli hypocrites. And the Ayzerov Ultimatum was refuted by the Armenian Defense Ministry. So the Armenians have only one way - to win. In what I wish them good luck, no matter what. And you the Jews are a shame. The situation with Georgia and Ossetia is repeated. Where is Israel dragging weapons and advisers and equipment.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Maz

Apparently he brought something very valuable, dangerous and heavy,

why flew with a transponder?

Quote: Maz

Where is Israel dragging weapons and advisers and equipment.

Russia is also seen selling arms to Azerbaijan. By the way!

[Terrible GMO]

Quote: NEOZ

Russia is also seen selling arms to Azerbaijan. By the way!

You don't understand - this is different!

[ashot1973]

So the Armenians have only one way - to win. What I wish them good luck

From all the Armenians from the front line - so it will THX!!!

[Maz]

Reading the official reports in the official fb-account of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense, I involuntarily recall the reports of the Ukrainian ATO press center, when someone Tymchuk was involved in their compilation.
Sorry, but the level and rhetoric is the same ... https://t.me/vityzeva/17834

[private person]

It is necessary to block the supply of militants from B.Vostok to Azerbaijan. Although they already believe that Azerbaijan is B.Vostok.

Who should block? Or save Russia again? Let all the Armenians from Russia stand up for their fellow countrymen.

[ashot1973]

Let all the Armenians from Russia stand up for their fellow countrymen.

Don't worry, they're on their way ...! And not only from Russia ...

[private person]

Don't worry, they're on their way ...!

I can already see crowds of Armenians with suitcases.

[Paul Siebert]

A classic distraction operation is performed. The question is: which of the opponents (or maybe both at once) arranged this story. It is necessary to block the supply of militants from B.Vostok to Azerbaijan. Although they already believe that Azerbaijan is B.Vostok.

I had a chance to fight in Artsakh at the very beginning of the conflict.
What can I say - truth dies first in the war.
I remember then - the Armenians exchanged dozens of killed Azerbaijanis for two or three prisoners ...
And Azerbaijani aksakals went for it. Without question.
And in Baku there were victorious reports about peremogs ...
What has changed?
Now Turkey has joined Baku.
But something tells me that she will not push tanks to the front line.
On THREE fronts, Erdogan is not in control of fighting. Even Hitler fought a maximum of two at the same time.
And then he has both Syria and Libya and now Karabakh. It will burst. Waiting for the revolution in Ankara 2.0
If I start bringing in corpses under the red flag with a crescent.
He will support Aliyev with drones, reconnaissance, logistic support.
The main thing for us is not to get involved. By yourself, by yourself.
In general, the Lord says: "Blessed are the peacemakers, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven ..."
Can we become them?

[Gado]

It can be seen from where the horns grow - the undersultan is again rattling his weapon, and he takes an example from the USA, i.e. to fight with someone else's hands lathered up. Apparently it's time to give him some horns.

[Ryaruav]

Russia just has great partners, that the Turks, that these two republics

[seti]

There is no other way to do it. The main thing is to be smarter than them and not to bind the fool by interceding for the victim as in 1914 ...

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: seti

not to bind the fool by stepping in for the victim as in 1914 ...

On the other side, not amateurs play the ball either, and they play a long game.
They will try to force them to take part in the conflict.

[rruvim]

Turkey is a forced partner. Most likely, even provocative, for other geopolitical purposes.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rruvim

Turkey is a forced partner. Most likely, even provocative, for other geopolitical purposes.

And friends are no better, that one, that the second, at any moment they can raise their tail.

[moscowp]

We sell weapons to everyone

[rruvim]

400s in Turkey refused to "work". Perhaps there was a "pig in a poke". Moreover, Turkey did not pay "real" money.

[Grits]

Quote: rruvim

400s in Turkey refused to "work". Perhaps there was a "pig in a poke". Moreover, Turkey did not pay "real" money.

They refused to work because the Turks themselves abandoned the Russian specialists. And you can't get it with your mind.

[rruvim]

Do you believe it? That the Turks abandoned our engineers? Maybe because of the "coronavirus"? Or something more conspiracy ...

[Nastia makarova]

why repeat fakes

[rruvim]

"There is no smoke without fire!" And fakes without key padding do not appear. If you are not initially paid money, or if they are not guaranteed, and someone has signed a contract, then the equipment will not be supplied complete. This is what happened with the Turkish order. In advance, everyone knew that there was no 400 at that time. And even now it is unlikely.

[Nastia makarova]

yes everything is all right with the s-400, the second batch is already being sent

[rruvim]

Really? And at the plant, Avangard, they don't know this. Is everything classified?

[Nastia makarova]

what do they not know? what are you talking about? if they don't know about a fake

[rruvim]

I mean a set of 40N6E missiles. Are they already in Turkey? If you have more information - share it.

[Nastia makarova]

no, he is not in Turkey yet, there was news that the second batch was being prepared and then fakes started that the first batch was not working

[rruvim]

"Πόλεμος" ΗΠΑ-Ρωσίας για τα λιμάνια της Κύπρου - Ο Πούτιν έστειλε “ελαττωματικούς” S-400 στην Τουρκία Here is an article of the complex supplied by our respected specialists to the non-admitted complex of our specialists.

[Nastia makarova]

and where is the article that does not work with 400?

[rruvim]

Guess for yourself why the delivered complex cannot work in Turkey. Moreover, Turkey did not pay for it.

[rruvim]

I will also remind you of the incident with the "Nikifor Begichev" motor ship. The usual policy of Rostec.

[Lelek]

Some time ago, Turkish media reported that the command was ready to send a detachment of elite special forces to Azerbaijan "to defend territorial integrity."

As I expected in the post yesterday, it was not without Erdogan's mustache. In the event of an aggravation of the situation, the Russian Federation will most likely lend a shoulder to its ally in the CSTO, Armenia, and then Aliyev will have big problems. As for the author's questions regarding Turkey in Syria, they are put correctly and expose the duality of Turkish foreign policy.

[Pavlos Melas]

As well as the arrival of the Turkish army in Cyprus.

[rruvim]

Right! There are already Turkish military and their bases in Azerbaijan. And if, in general, you look at Baku, then you cannot tell the difference with Eastern Istanbul ...

[kapitan92]

Quote: Lelek

In the event of an aggravation of the situation, the Russian Federation will most likely lend a shoulder to its ally in the CSTO, Armenia, and then Aliyev will have big problems.

The CSTO includes 6 countries! Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan
There will be a serious test for the viability of this organization.
I have serious doubts that the Republic of Belarus, the Republic of Kazakhstan will substitute "their shoulder" with units of their Armies.
We must not forget that according to official data, about 700 thousand Azerbaijanis live in Russia, and according to unofficial data, up to 3 million Azerbaijanis. A sort of 5th column !!!

[seti]

Yeah. And immediately the question is why they rushed to us ... And not to Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan ... Are we the worst of all, or does it say on our face that we are the first to get into a fight ???

[Varyag71]

Another reason to reduce the Slavic population

[aleks26]

Quote: seti

Yeah. And immediately the question is why they rushed to us ... And not to Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan ... Are we the worst of all, or does it say on our face that we are the first to get into a fight ???

Is not it so? Until now, at least it has been. First, we climb, defend, then both of them spit on us, and we wipe ourselves and lick our wounds and smile stupidly. We help Armenia, but it doesn't look like they are our friends, well, never. Our sworn partners have firmly settled there, and Russia must defend for some reason. Well, let's see how other CSTO members will behave. During the events of 3 * 8, no one supported Russia.

[rruvim]

Pashinyan, although he is "pro-Western" to the core, perfectly understands "where the legs grow from"! He knows what the task is facing the West and its Pashinyan "curators". Much more global than he might think.

[NEOZ]

Quote: kapitan92

up to 3 million Azerbaijanis. A sort of 5th column !!!

what shall we do? like Joseph with the Chechens or like the Americans with the Japanese?

[Lelek]

Quote: kapitan92

I have serious doubts that the Republic of Belarus, the Republic of Kazakhstan will substitute "their shoulder" with units of their Armies.
We must not forget that according to official data, about 700 thousand Azerbaijanis live in Russia, and according to unofficial data, up to 3 million Azerbaijanis. A sort of 5th column !!!

, Vyacheslav.
The questions are certainly interesting. We will look at the first, but the second is fraught with Aliyev himself. Azerbaijanis in Russia are not badly settled and the deterioration of the attitude towards them will be reflected in the culprit - the President of Azerbaijan.

[rruvim]

How many Armenians? Although they are Christians, they are "Monophysites". All asphalt them!

[NEOZ]

Quote: rruvim

All asphalt them!

this is the unofficial support of the Armenian people ... as well as the food market for the Republic of Belarus ... as well as the migrant worker market for Tajik-Uzbeks ...

[kapitan92]

Quote: Lelek

Azerbaijanis in Russia are not badly settled and the deterioration of the attitude towards them will be reflected in the culprit - the President of Azerbaijan.

A lion! The relationship of Russian Mamedov to their Aliyev is their problem. They actually settled well in Russia. To be honest, in all my production activities I have not seen any construction or production teams from Azerbaijan. Mostly buy and sell.
How these "comrades" will behave when relations with Turkey, with Azerbaijan, and eventually it may come to this, will behave, is not predicted by our liberal authorities, because only "brothers and partners".
Fights broke out in Moscow: Azerbaijanis stopped cars with Armenian plates

Mass fights between Azerbaijanis and Armenians took place in the capital at night. According to the information of the TV channel "360", this happened on Lyublinskaya and Bratislavskaya streets in the southeast of the capital.

The footage shows how groups of men in medical masks beat people in cars with Armenian plates and smash cars. They shoot what is happening on mobile phones, and then run away.

I didn't insert the video.
https://lenta.ru/brief/2020/07/24/mosco/
And the clarification of these relations can spread to the whole of Russia, and we need it. Of course, the question is how the Russian structures will behave. Only the harsh suppression of the riots of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Rosguard and other structures can stop such a showdown. Moreover, to work toughly with all parties to the conflict, followed by life-long deportation from Russia.
Something like that!

[Lelek]

Quote: kapitan92

ТOnly the harsh suppression of the riots of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Rosguard and other structures can stop such a showdown. Moreover, to work toughly with all parties to the conflict, followed by life-long deportation from Russia.

Completely FOR.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: kapitan92

I have serious doubts that the Republic of Belarus, the Republic of Kazakhstan will substitute "their shoulder" with units of their Armies.

yes there will be no "shoulders" and armies, why this foam? No one will fight, subscribe to this stupid conflict and force peace. They'll fizzle out and calm down for another year or two.

Quote: kapitan92

that according to official data, about 700 thousand Azerbaijanis live in Russia, and according to unofficial data, up to 3 million Azerbaijanis. A sort of 5th column !!!

Do you consider the Armenian diaspora the "fifth column" according to this logic?

[Alexga]

There will be a serious test for the viability of this organization.

The fighting is taking place on the territory of Azerbaijan, so the CSTO has no questions for intervention here.

[JonnyT]

De jure, Karabakh is not the territory of Armenia, and therefore, within the framework of the CSTO agreement, Russia is not obliged to intervene in this quarrel. Let the iron Ashots and Tukoazerbanjans figure it out on their own

[rruvim]

There are prophecies of St. Paisius Svyatogorts that the liberation of Constantinople from the Turks would begin with the Great Caucasian War. And Constantinople will be liberated, with the further transfer of these territories to Greece, by Russian troops with the support of the entire international coalition. Do not forget that the Armenian lobby is very strong in the United States.

[Volodin]

Quote: rruvim

And Constantinople will be liberated, with the further transfer of these territories to Greece, by Russian troops with the support of the entire international coalition. We must not forget that the Armenian lobby is very strong in the United States.

With all due respect to the memory of St. Paisius Svyatogortsa, what is the reason for the Russian troops to "liberate Constantinople and hand it over to Greece"? Enough already, ahead of time ...

[rruvim]

These are just numerous of his prophecies: the essence of which is that Russian troops will liberate Constantinople and hand it over to the control of the Greek Republic. As we returned Crimea, so the Greeks can regain Constantinople, no matter with what hands and what kind of armed forces.

[Volodin]

Quote: rruvim

As we returned Crimea, so the Greeks can regain Constantinople, no matter with what hands and what kind of armed forces.

No really ... This is just very important. If they want to "return", let them return themselves.

[rruvim]

Well, the Greeks, already practically, are trying to do this, entering into confrontation with Turkish frigates and imitating air battles with Turkish F-16s. Or vice versa...

[Runoway]

I don't like the prediction at all, why should Russian guys suddenly shed blood for the Greeks and Armenians. We are not yet full of "gratitude" for the Second World War from the saved countries

[rruvim]

I wrote that with the support of the international coalition. Venerable Paisius insisted on this: “The elder often spoke of Constantinople, that we would take it, or rather, they would give it to us. A conflict between the Turks and the Russians would flare up, the latter would take Constantinople and, willingly or not, would give the city to Greece. they will not take an active part in this war. "

[rruvim]

8. “- Geronda, how can we hold Constantinople, a city with a population of twenty million? “We won't be alone. Turkey will be defeated by the "fair-haired people" 12. A third of the Turks will be killed, a third will go into the depths of Anatolia, a third will be Christianized (there are already a lot of crypto-Christians there). Turkish lands will also be annexed to the independent states of Armenians and Kurds. "

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

Venerable Paisius insisted on this:

grandfather raved. And the reverends get dementia, there's nothing to be done.

[Sergey_G_M]

Constantinople will be liberated by the Russians to transfer it to Greece, while having fought in the entire Caucasus?
"the entire international coalition" does not have such a thing, never has been and never will, especially in Russia.
This prophet is broken, carry another.

[rruvim]

We have already fought all over the Caucasus, and not "at the time of Ochakov and the conquest of the Crimea," but quite recently! And now we are at war in Syria. For whom?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

For whom?

well, if you believe Grandpa Paisiy, to whom you persistently refer:

I left the hut
I went to fight
So that the land of the Ottomans
To give to the Greeks ...

or something like that ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

History (future) will judge us ...

well, well, don't be so pretentious)
and what is there in the link? Too lazy to open.

[kapitan92]

Quote: rruvim

... And Constantinople will be liberated, with the further transfer of these territories to Greece, by Russian troops with the support of the entire international coalition.

All Europe in "Russian bones" !!! All have already been repeatedly freed from the Turks, from fascism. Enough already!? The result is obvious, everyone who was released considers Russia their enemy.
Ushak Pasha also liberated the Greek islands, so what ???

[rruvim]

That History moves in a spiral. What the Sovereign Emperor did not complete, and Koba with his ultimatum to the Furrer (the Bosphorus and Constantinople should be ours!) Can be completed by the Brigadier, or his successor in our "century".

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

and Koba with his ultimatum to Furrer (the Bosphorus and Constantinople must be ours!)

How interesting. What kind of ultimatum? May I have a document?

[rruvim]

The main topic of the meeting was the discussion of the spheres of future influence of the two countries. The Germans suggested that the USSR pay attention to the southern direction, to the realization of the old dream of Russian imperialism - control over the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits.

[rruvim]

In fact, it was Molotov at the November meeting who insisted that the USSR would exercise this control, and not the Germans supposedly proposed.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

Actually

why then are you quoting Yandex-Zen? This is a well-known trash heap.

Molotov at the November meeting insisted that the USSR would exercise this control

Molotov did not insist on anything like that in Berlin. Moscow sent its conditions for joining the Axis (which included bases near the straits) to Hitler two weeks after Molotov's departure from Berlin.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Where's the ultimatum?

[saigon]

So then he liberated the islands in the UNION with the Turks, knocking out the French, that's how it is.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

There are prophecies of St. Paisius the Holy Mountain, that the liberation of Constantinople

And grandmother Wang did not predict anything about this?

Quote: rruvim

with the further transfer of these territories to Greece

and with what fright?

[seti]

Here is the one. In general, we must keep Constantinople for ourselves. Putin is supposedly the direct heir of Ivan the Terrible and he is known to be the grandson of Sophia Paleologue. So thanks to all the Greeks, but you are free ..

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: seti

In general, we must keep Constantinople for ourselves. Putin is supposedly the direct heir of Ivan the Terrible and he is known to be the grandson of Sophia Paleologue.

No, no, no, we are not barbarians. Only through a referendum among Russian tourists in Turkey.

[rruvim]

Let's drop the ritual! As a geopolitician, look at everything that Russia has done and what Turkey has done over the past five years in terms of military operations (Syria, Libya, the blockade of Crete). You can clearly see that the question in the "passages" is as relevant as ever! And Crimea is not just Russian, it is like a stage in the implementation of a certain geopolitical solution, like Syria (Crimea from above - Syria from below). The question is: who will own the result of this decision? Obviously - a NATO country, albeit an Orthodox one. And all attempts by Erdogan (to turn St. Sophia from a museum into a mosque) are associated with the fear of losing what even was. The military coup failed, so there will be a big war! And Nagorno-Karabakh is just a chain in this chain.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

(Crimea from above - Syria from below)

Well, how will this Kama Sutra help with the straits?

Quote: rruvim

The question is: who will own the result of this decision? Obviously - a NATO country, albeit an Orthodox one.

That is, Russia will drag chestnuts out of the fire for some "Orthodox NATO country"?
Funny blizzard ...

Quote: rruvim

You, as a geopolitician, look at everything

Forgive me, but your maxims are not geopolitics at all. This is an idle combing of the predictor's delirium of your old man-predictor.

Quote: rruvim

then there will be a big war!

no need to cry. Or is it also from the notes on the cuffs of the prep. Paisia?

[rruvim]

Vanga also prophesied about this ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

Vanga also prophesied about this ...

is Pavel Globa too?

[rruvim]

Pavel Globa is a student of Igor Antonov, and his task is to turn water into alcohol (an ancient Tibetan skill), and not to engage in astrological (pseudoscience) predictions ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

Pavel Globa is a student of Igor Antonov, and his task is to turn water into alcohol (

look how. Stern uncle. And how does Rosalkogolregulirovanie look at this? Does he also know how to convert plain paper into excise stamps (an ancient Tibetan skill)?

[rruvim]

With me, Globa (young) turned a three-liter can of water into alcohol, of course, not without the participation of his spiritual father I.A. For three-liter cans, an excise stamp is not required, and then (1990) they had not yet been invented. And then he fell into pseudoscience, astrology. It happens...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

turned a three-liter can of water into alcohol

I believe. Then this alcohol in the morgue was given to the blind men, whom Longo revived. To relieve stress.

Quote: rruvim

And then he fell into pseudoscience, astrology. It happens...

I was upset that all the time methyl alcohol is obtained. It happens, yes.

[rruvim]

You got it right. Even the dead got up (twitched) from this alcohol. Longo is just a follower. And Antonov and Globa had Ugluska (as they called her), who floated out of the next room at the call of alcohol. Horror movies are resting! But this is not the topic here ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rruvim

But this is not the topic here ...

yes, let's change the subject, otherwise drug control will be interested in you.

[rruvim]

It was 30 years ago. And drug control has long been disbanded!

[NEOZ]

Quote: rruvim

the Armenian lobby is very strong in the USA.

Why doesn't this lobby lift sanctions from Armenia's main ally?

[rruvim]

Not all Armenians left for America, just like not all Jews from Russia. So the Jewish lobby in the US Senate imposed sanctions on the Rotenberg brothers.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

And Constantinople will be liberated, with the further transfer of these territories to Greece, by Russian troops with the support of the entire international coalition.

But only if Greece becomes part of Russia, say, in the form of the Greek Federal District.
I see no prerequisites for all this.

[rruvim]

Why do you think you need to enter somewhere? With modern globalization, this does not make sense. It is precisely the one who does not enter anywhere, and conducts an independent policy, and is a potential enemy of the international order. For example: Erdogan with his neotoman politics.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

If it is WE who liberate Constantinople, then why should we give it over to the Greeks? Then we'd better keep it for ourselves. I see no reason to drag chestnuts out of the fire for anyone. Or will the Greeks become our first chums? It is unlikely.

[rruvim]

And who should I give it to? Historically, it is Greek, Byzantine. When we liberated South Ossetia and Abkhazia (finally) in 2008, to whom were they given? Ossetians and Abkhazians - of course.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Well, let them liberate themselves. Then everything will be fair.

[rruvim]

There is a concept - Big Brother! For Ossetians and Abkhazians it is understandable, but their "enemies" are also Orthodox Christians - Georgians. For the Serbs, we are also an elder Brother, in a confrontation not with NATO, but with Muslims in Kosovo, but Serbia is in the center of Europe, we cannot "reach". And for Armenia we are, in general, more than Brother, what kind of brothers the United States would not be there. Moreover, if the Turkic "war machine" intervenes.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

We, in fact, are talking about the Greeks. They are not our brothers, even though they are Orthodox.

[rruvim]

Brothers can only be by faith! DNA doesn't matter. Therefore, an Orthodox Ethiopian Negro is my brother, because we look at life in the same way. And a Muslim - only in part, there are differences. And the Slavic brotherhood does not exist, the events in Donbass have proved this.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Orthodox Georgians, it turns out, are also brothers to us? Something is not similar. Brothers don't behave like that. And Orthodox Ukrainians emphasized so:

We will never be brothers

In short, these "relatives" should either be sent away, or given good fraternal flogging, so that they do not forget themselves and do not lose the coast.

[KVU-NSVD]

ultimatums, elite Turkish special forces, Turkish drones crumbling everything in their path, flaming Azerbaijani tank armada in the rain of falling aircraft - all this is rhetoric. There are three questions in this conflict - will it be possible to extinguish the outbreak at the beginning (every day there are less and less hopes), will we, within the framework of the CSTO, supply weapons to Armenia or even get involved in the conflict with advisers and volunteers, will Turkey do the same within the framework of its pan-Turkic interests ... And across the ocean, only rubbing their hands ..

[NEOZ]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

There are three questions in this conflict

one question: what is the purpose of this movement.
after the goal, both paths and consequences will be highlighted.

[KVU-NSVD]

question one:

On the part of the conflicting parties - the goal is to defeat the enemy, on the part of the West - a bloody mess on our southern borders, on our part - to freeze the conflict as long as possible, and so on. Each interested person has his own question and it is one. And the fate of the conflict at this stage and the duration of this outbreak fit into these three

[NEOZ]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

From the conflicting side - the goal is to defeat the enemy

you are wrong! Armenia was satisfied with the status quo!
how to win? complete occupation?

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: NEOZ

how to win? complete occupation?

Occupation of what? NKR is already under their control of Yerevan. A victory for Armenia is the recognition of the status quo by Azerbaijan, a victory for Baku is the recognition by Armenia of Azerbaijani control over the NKR.

[rruvim]

There is only one engine here. Lead the Sultan to expansionist actions and get another "disapproval" from the "world community". What can we use too. It is not just a confrontation between two ethnic groups: Turks and Armenians, here there is a confrontation between two religions - Islam and Christianity. Not Shiites and Alawites with Sunnis, as in Syria, but quite serious. Considering that the Turks staged a genocide of the Armenian people, it is more real than the mythical Holocaust.

[yfast]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

And across the ocean, only rubbing their hands ..

So we, too, can push weapons and rub our hands there and there.

[maktub]

If the parties "deploy" full-fledged troops, then the "battle" will be bloody. Armenia will get involved on the side of the NKAO, Russia and Turkey will have to join on the side of the allies, and there it is not far from a direct conflict

[Maximilian37]

Quote: Livonetc

Azerbaijan puts itself in an extremely unfavorable position.
Nobody will support them except Turkey.
Conversely, both the European Union and the United States will be condemned.
Accordingly, it is possible to impose various sanctions against Azerbaijan.
In fact, Turkey is drawing Azerbaijan into further escalation, pursuing its own interests and ambitions.
Does Azerbaijan need it?
Azerbaijan is making a serious mistake.

the sultan hugged them. and they never got used to being free, until 1991 they were protected by the Union! After, Turks!
It's like with Ukraine and Tribalts

[NEOZ]

Quote: Maximilian37

It's like with Ukraine and Tribalts

I agree!!!!

[Kushka]

Quote: Gado

You can see where the horns are growing - the undersultan is again clashing with weapons

Greeks print it / non-print (underline the correct one, I myself can't figure it out)
Sent to .... Has he not gone yet or has he returned so quickly?
It will be interesting to see how the same title looks like
in Armenian?

[Operator]

The Turks are 100% right: since no one (including Armenia) recognized the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh, then this is the territory of the AzSSR according to the administrative-territorial division of the USSR.

The moment of truth has come for Armenia, from which it has successfully evaded for 30 years.

[rruvim]

Well, will Azerbaijanis come there according to the Soviet division (although the USSR has not existed for a long time), and will the Armenians who have lived there all 30 years kiss on the lips? Or do something else? I've been in Kaliningrad sometimes, have I ever seen the Germans there (except for tourists)? And what, a resident of Rostock (where they, the Germans, were resettled) will show me to throw out, they say, Koenigsberg is ours!

[Operator]

So what is the problem - let pro-American Armenia recognize Nagorno-Karabakh in the order of self-determination of nations, conclude a military alliance with it and resist the aggression of Azerbaijan. And the West will help them.

Or let them be part of the Russian Federation. The ball is on the side of the Armenians.

[rruvim]

Actually, at the moment this should happen. With complete condemnation not of Azerbaijan, but of Turkey. On the other hand, this will be a precedent for the recognition of North Cyprus or Transnistria, or Abkhazia with South Ossetia, or Taiwan, finally! Therefore, the task is simply to drag Turkey into the war. Well, already on different terms. And at the same time, there is only one condition: an attack not on NKAO, but on Armenia itself. But the Turks are not fools either.

[certero]

Quote: maktub

bloody. Armenia will get involved on the side of the NKAO, Russia and Turkey will have to join on the side of the allies

Russia will not have to do anything. The treaty provides for assistance in the event of aggression against one of the countries included in it. If the country itself started a war, then it is not obliged to provide any assistance.

[maktub]

Is it written in the contract? And on what terms is 102 WB hosted?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Among other things, NKR is not Armenia.

[Yusufjon Nuritdinov]

Double standards everywhere!

[Megatron]

For me, it is so good if the babays in Armenia self-destruct, there are fewer problems for our VP in Syria.

[Maximilian37]

In general, we distract the Sultan with the Azeri, and we ourselves are working carefully in Syria!

[rruvim]

We distract all of Europe to the sultan. And we ourselves solve the issues with Belomaidan.

[Wolf]

0

This is about the condemnation of the United States and EU in question. To count one hundred neo-Ottoman ambitions of the Sultan are fueled by the secret service of Evil Britain and the United States as a weapon of pressure on both the EU and Russia. Turkey clearly benefits from the economic and political influence on Azerbaijan, and politicians in rich Azerbaijan are clearly not wearing a doll who are interested in their people. Someone from Azerbaijan or Armaneia received a decree that it is necessary to start both under NATO control. Under the pretext of the war in Nagorno-Karabakh, transfer a huge number of militants from the BV on the border of Russia and Iran.
The question is what should Russia do? Apparently someone invites Rusiu to the war in the Caucasus.
But in my opinion, this is why the United States has strengthened in Syria to free the militants for the war in Karabakh.
Russia can answer both asymmetrically and PUSH IN SYRIA AND THE Militants AND THE USA AND TURK AND THE ACCENT OF MILITARY ACTION WILL RETURN TO SYRIA AGAIN ON ONE OF ITS BORDERS?
And in fact the game of Chess was not invented by the Indians! 

[Maximilian37]

Bulgari, I embrace you, you are not to blame for the way it happens. I hope the truth will prevail once and for all.

[Dym71]

Quote: Maximilian37

Българи, I hug you

"Wolf" - Serb

[Keyser soze]

Wolf "- Serb

Exactly. He is my Serbian friend who revealed my relationship with the Habsburgs
And now I am looking for a chess grandmaster, but nothing - I like him. Brother Serb, what can I do ...

[Maximilian37]

Quote: Wolf

0

This is about the condemnation of the United States and EU in question. To count one hundred neo-Ottoman ambitions of the Sultan are fueled by the secret service of Evil Britain and the United States as a weapon of pressure on both the EU and Russia. Turkey clearly benefits from the economic and political influence on Azerbaijan, and politicians in rich Azerbaijan are clearly not wearing a doll who are interested in their people. Someone from Azerbaijan or Armaneia received a decree that it is necessary to start both under NATO control. Under the pretext of the war in Nagorno-Karabakh, transfer a huge number of militants from the BV on the border of Russia and Iran.
The question is what should Russia do? Apparently someone invites Rusiu to the war in the Caucasus.
But in my opinion, this is why the United States has strengthened in Syria to free the militants for the war in Karabakh.
Russia can answer both asymmetrically and PUSH IN SYRIA AND THE Militants AND THE USA AND TURK AND THE ACCENT OF MILITARY ACTION WILL RETURN TO SYRIA AGAIN ON ONE OF ITS BORDERS?
And in fact the game of Chess was not invented by the Indians! 

A very interesting version of who received the order to start! that's where we must look for the guilty.

[The gentleman]

international public law in all its glory. not an ounce of imperative, only old school, only dispositive norms)

[rruvim]

And there is no PPM, there is only situationality for the decision paradigm!

[Vladimir61]

The Turkish press emphasizes that the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh de jure belongs to Azerbaijan. Based on this, Ankara considers attempts to resist Baku in this region as acts of separatism. From the point of view of international law, everything is legitimate.

Not true! The right of peoples to self-determination is one of the basic principles of international law, which means the right of every people to independently decide the question of the form of its state existence, freely determine its political status without outside interference and carry out its economic and cultural development

Declaration on the principles of international law concerning friendly relations and cooperation between states in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations - Adopted by resolution 2625 (XXV) of the UN General Assembly of October 24, 1970

[rruvim]

All this has not worked for a long time, because the UN policy has long been following the course of inter-confessionalism. This does not mean that the Albanians have the right to Kosovo, and the Russians have the right to Crimea, but the fact that de jure new States can arise only at the request of some people, and not the UN. For example, the UN does not recognize Northern Cyprus, but Turkey does, for example, the UN recognizes Palestine, but Israel does not.

[Just a Traveler]

The author of the material is absolutely right ...
All this will be repeated ad infinitum until the planetary Law on the right of nations / peoples to self-determination prevails.
Even the Bolsheviks actively and correctly used this slogan.
Here is some excellent academic material on the topic under discussion:
https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1104403

[opuonmed]

Turks muddy the waters, so everyone wants war near the side of the Russian Federation

[Recon]

Indeed, in this case, the same Sertach Aksan and official Ankara must admit that Turkey is committing aggression against Syria, since the Turkish military was not invited to this country by either the official authorities or the UN Security Council.

as it is now fashionable to say, "you don't understand, this is different"

[The Siberian barber]

Whatever one may say, but the Almighty, and pushes us into direct conflict with the Turks ...

[purple]

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Quote: paul3390

Yes, actually - Russia is able to stop all this crap in a couple of hours - just by announcing that it will deport all citizens of both sides back home,

You can't. Moscow will depopulate ..

there are only one pluses

[rruvim]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

victory for Baku - recognition by Armenia of Azerbaijani control over the NKR

Exactly, only "control"! And not the territory of Azerbaijan. And then the temporary "control".

[purple]

Quote: Just a Traveler

The author of the material is absolutely right ...
All this will be repeated ad infinitum until the planetary Law on the right of nations / peoples to self-determination prevails.
Even the Bolsheviks actively and correctly used this slogan.
Here is some excellent academic material on the topic under discussion:
https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1104403

Well, if such a law is adopted ... it will continue indefinitely ... There are so many peoples and nations around the world ...

[Rage66]

There is information about Turkish F-16 missile strikes against Armenia from the airspace of Azerbaijan. Armenian Su-30s were lifted into the air, but so far only for monitoring.
Umm ... Rubicon crossed?

[rruvim]

Something not to believe. A link to the studio, please.

[Rage66]

https://avia.pro/news/istrebiteli-f-16-vvs-turcii-nanesli-udary-po-armenii

[rruvim]

Picture from "Eagle Dynamics", but the article is not about anything. When they find at least one fragment from an AGM-65 rocket or modifications, then we can speak.

[Dave36]

If the transfer of militants by Erdogan and the dispatch of special forces are true, then Aliyev's words that they will stop only after Karabakh sound quite realistic ... Another thing is how Moscow will respond ... any invocation for a ceasefire will not be valid ... If you cannot apply strength - what is the use of diplomats ...

[Scorpio05]

The same Armenians say. of course it's true. In fact, the Azerbaijanis still hurried in advance, summoned Captain America, Superman, Spider-Man, Wolverine and Hulk. I am simply amazed already, the complete Armenian fake is being passed off as a fact.

[Linxs]

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How do you imagine it if 90% received a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation?

Leave those who received passports at the Union, and then business.

Will you personally collect passports from residents of the LPR and DPR?
Business ...

[orlec]

Armenia is a member of the CSTO, right? Shouldn't the others be obliged to intervene militarily in the event of an attack on one of the members? It seems so in NATO, but what about the CSTO?

[rruvim]

Nobody knows. The charter (agreement) is vague. If the Poles attacked Belarus, the little green men would immediately be in place (I fantasize). But the same, similar charter is in NATO, but this did not prevent the Turkish paratroopers from landing in Cyprus (all NATO members) in 1974 and hacking the Greeks, in view of the huge military base of Great Britain.

[moscowp]

Already intervened. They sent Chicherin to sing and war correspondents. Normal and enough, I think. I watched videos from the front line, the Armenian commander talks about brotherhood with Russia, says that they are an outpost of Russia in the Caucasus. Hints as it were. The Armenians are not doing very well, apparently, if Russia is remembered

[Andrey Novoseltsev]

All this confusion is the work of the Turks. Where the Turks are there is war and blood. These nomads think of themselves as the navel of the earth and live the dream of the great Turan. And the first obstacle on this path is Armenia and the Armenians. So my relatives will be us. south of Russia and reach China .so think with brains and not emotions

[Scorpio05]

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Azerbaijan puts itself in an extremely unfavorable position.
Nobody will support them except Turkey.
Conversely, both the European Union and the United States will be condemned.
Accordingly, it is possible to impose various sanctions against Azerbaijan.
In fact, Turkey is drawing Azerbaijan into further escalation, pursuing its own interests and ambitions.
Does Azerbaijan need it?
Azerbaijan is making a serious mistake.

In your opinion, then half of the country should be given to Armenia?

[Weimar maslou]

Stop this conflict, one spit, if there is political will! 1. Denounce the Belovezhskaya agreements.
2. Declare all the republics of the former USSR as the rebellious provinces of Russia! In addition, declare the entire territory of the USSR a zone of Russia's vital interests! Adopt the Law on Reunification (similar to the FRG-GDR).
3. Since the entire Transcaucasia is objectively the property of Russia, to include Karabakh in the composition of Russia after holding an appropriate referendum. Transfer the base of the RF Armed Forces from Armenia to Karabakh.
All! And how happy both the Ayzers and the Armenians of Karabakh will be beyond words!

[Vladimir Balaev]

War and humanity are inseparable, war is a natural state. It would not be a pity for people suffering in voynakh- without war as without gingerbread> Big states put big interests at stake - small, for a fraction of a small land - and still find a reason to fight. Does Russia need to get involved in a conflict between two AAs, but in no case let them fight - when the number of victims on both sides goes to a thousand, they will make up. In a war, the belligerent parties always lose - for Armenians and Azerbaijanis it will probably be a discovery - let them open up - and no peacekeepers - all by themselves. Erdogan is a cool guy - it is necessary to manage to be inconvenient for everyone, and for Europe and for NATO and for Russia, it remains to find a more serious conflict. And apparently no one will particularly regret Turkey as well as fight on the side of the Turks

[Andycomm]

Both of you are good! - said Margarita and turned off both of the argumentative primus. (c) M. and M.

[Keyser soze]

The Turkish press emphasizes that the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh de jure belongs to Azerbaijan.

The Turks would be silent - de jure North Cyprus is occupied.