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When flying to the borders of the Russian Federation, B-52s were used and F-35s were not used: a Chinese expert named the probable reason

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Chinese reporters announced the specifics of NATO air missions near Russia's borders. In particular, we are talking about the program of "mutual support" of NATO countries and partners of the North Atlantic bloc, which was named "Sky Alliance". During this mission, American strategic bombers flew over NATO countries, as well as those that apply for membership. One example is Ukraine.


Chinese journalist Xu Lumin drew attention to the fact that the American strategic bombers B-52 were accompanied by various fighters, including the Ukrainian Su-27 of Soviet production (in the sky over Ukraine), but the fifth generation F-35 fighters were never used when approaching the borders of Russia. ...

Xu Lumin:

Large-scale NATO air maneuvers have shown that the alliance is not ready to use the F-35, called "stealth". Only once to escort a B-52 of the US Air Force were the F-35A of the Netherlands Air Force raised, but the escort was suddenly stopped due to worsening weather.

Chinese experts note that this may indicate problems with the fifth generation of American-made fighters. In particular, it is indicated that the F-35 cannot be definitely classified as all-weather.

Also called the reason why the F-35s were not used to approach the borders of Russia - including in the northern direction (from Norway). It was noted that this may be due to the fear of the NATO (American) command of the following nature: Russian air defense systems can detect American F-35s. If Russia demonstrated the detection of the F-35, it would only add interest in the world to Russian air defense systems and lower the level of authority of the American 5th generation fighters.
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  1. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 28 September 2020 09: 29
    -3
    .Moscow. September 27. INTERFAX.RU - A group of American strategic bombers B-52H Stratofortress, temporarily located at the forward European airbase in Great Britain, has returned to the United States, the United States Air Force reported.

    "Mission completed," the message says.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 28 September 2020 09: 37
      13
      Quote: A. Privalov
      .Moscow. September 27. INTERFAX.RU - A group of American strategic bombers B-52H Stratofortress, temporarily located at the forward European airbase in Great Britain, has returned to the United States, the United States Air Force reported.

      "Mission complete", - the report says.


      Yes,"Mission complete"what they say -"Game over"("sailed")

      The US Air Force B-52, which took part in the "mission" over the Black Sea a few days ago, gave an emergency signal over Britain

      The British media reported that it was this strategic bomber of the US Air Force that some time ago participated in a "mission" near the borders of Russia. It is stated that this particular B-52 flew over the Black Sea a few days ago.


      1. Alex_You
        Alex_You 28 September 2020 09: 44
        -4
        As if not Game over, but Mission complete.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 28 September 2020 09: 47
          +4
          Quote: Alex_You
          As if not Game over, but Mission complete.

          No no No. just Game over yes , with illustration from SIDS ...
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 28 September 2020 09: 49
          -1
          Quote: Alex_You
          As if not Game over, but Mission complete.

          Have you heard anything about Einstein's theory of relativity?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 28 September 2020 09: 55
            +6
            Quote: sabakina
            Have you heard anything about Einstein's theory of relativity?

            The comrade is experiencing translation difficulties, translating the text "head-on", without using a creative approach to understanding the text ...
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 28 September 2020 10: 02
              +1
              Quote: Insurgent
              Quote: sabakina
              Have you heard anything about Einstein's theory of relativity?

              The comrade is experiencing translation difficulties, translating the text "head-on", without using a creative approach to understanding the text ...

          2. Alex_You
            Alex_You 28 September 2020 10: 21
            -3
            Quote: sabakina
            Quote: Alex_You
            As if not Game over, but Mission complete.

            Have you heard anything about Einstein's theory of relativity?

            I heard something somewhere, but that's what you wrote and the comrade above falls under Escobar's axiom.
  2. Shuttle
    Shuttle 28 September 2020 09: 35
    +8
    In this case, the Chinese comrade is obviously right. To argue with him will have to testify against the truth.
  3. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 28 September 2020 09: 38
    +5
    They accompany, they are simply invisible. Someone tell the Chinese partners about this. So that they report it to the United States.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 28 September 2020 09: 44
      +1
      Quote: Senka Naughty
      They accompany, they are simply invisible. Someone tell the Chinese partners about this. So that they report it to the United States.

      Here am I.
      Where? I can not see you.
      I can't see you either.
      What are you doing here?
      I sunbathe.
      Who is tanning in the dark?
      In the dark, the very light. Because there is no harmful effect of sunlight.

      Lyrics of films: http://cinematext.ru/movie/derevnja-utka-1976/?page=2

      c) Duck Village
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 28 September 2020 09: 45
      +6
      Quote: Senka Mad
      They accompany, they are simply invisible. Someone tell the Chinese partners about this. So that they report it to the United States.

      Be merciful ... Do not break their American ensigns, with such difficulty built gesheft with writing off kerosene for such invisible flights repeat

      After all, everyone is happy (except for the only Russian air defense, which wants to "touch" these "invisibles"), and the pilots, and techies, and obviously the USAF command ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 28 September 2020 09: 56
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        After all, everyone is happy (except for the only Russian air defense, which wants to "touch" these "invisibles"), and the pilots, and techies, and obviously the USAF command ...

        - She will not come alone. She will come with the blacksmith. Ugh, with Luneberg lenses

        Classics
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 28 September 2020 09: 59
          +5
          Quote: sabakina
          - She will not come alone. She will come with the blacksmith. Ugh, with Luneberg lenses

          Classics


          Yes, something they that with blacksmith lenses, that without them, fly in the air defense zone of the Russian Federation on "stealth" very rarely and apparently reluctantly ...
  4. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 28 September 2020 09: 40
    +3
    In particular, it is indicated that the F-35 cannot be definitely classified as all-weather.
    this may be due to the fear of the NATO (American) command of the following nature: Russian air defense systems may detect American F-35s.
    These are of course assumptions, but there is logic in them. Although, to hide the true characteristics of the RCS, you can use the means of deliberately increasing the visibility when performing tasks in an environment that does not involve a clash.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 28 September 2020 09: 50
      0
      And everything is SO CLEAR on the example of Turkey.
      If you look at what is happening from the other side and assume that the F-35 is not at all the favorite of a hypothetical training battle, and the C400 is likely to give a confident capture and tracking of a target, then Turkey will at least have a reason to ask the Americans a few uncomfortable questions and ( maximum program) to refuse further purchases of a machine that has not justified itself in favor of a more acceptable option. For example, the French Rafalle or the Swedish JAS-39, or even the Russian Su-35, may turn out to be more acceptable - all 3 vehicles could become not only worthy, but also a much more profitable replacement for the American F-35, provided that the latter fails "in areas of invisibility in front of Russian air defense systems ".
      But this is not the worst thing for America - a reputational blow would then be even more painful than in the past example of a domestic air defense system - the Americans will have to somehow justify supplying their army with two thousand obviously incompetent aircraft and convincing potential customers to buy them - just why? Do you need customers?
  5. BAI
    BAI 28 September 2020 09: 46
    +2
    The F-35 is definitely not an all-weather one.

    If it has the same coating as the B-2, then it is washed off by the rain.
    Russian air defense systems can detect American F-35s

    All long-wave stationary (due to their size) stations perfectly see the "invisible". The problem is that it is not enough to see, you also have to amaze. And in guidance and homing systems - short waves, they do not see the target. This is precisely what the Americans are pushing against. (This topic has already been discussed at VO).
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 28 September 2020 10: 06
      0
      Quote: BAI
      The F-35 is definitely not an all-weather one.

      If it has the same coating as the B-2, then it is washed off by the rain.
      Russian air defense systems can detect American F-35s

      All long-wave stationary (due to their size) stations perfectly see the "invisible". The problem is that it is not enough to see, you also have to amaze. And in guidance and homing systems - short waves, they do not see the target. This is precisely what the Americans are pushing against. (This topic has already been discussed at VO).

      I think that the Chinese have also read (This topic has already been discussed on VO), but still why do they not accompany their strategists? This is what Chinese analysts do not sleep on at night. After all, without actually launching missiles at the F-35, its invisibility cannot be verified, for this we will risk it?
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 28 September 2020 10: 15
      -1
      BAI, I’m wondering why shortwave stations like Voice of America or Radio Liberty were perfect for targeting?
    3. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 28 September 2020 10: 27
      +4
      The F-35A of the Netherlands Air Force was raised, but the escort was suddenly stopped due to worsening weather.

      Quote: BAI
      If it has the same coating as the B-2, then it is washed off by the rain.

      The range of possible composition of the stealth coating is significantly narrowed. Gouache or watercolor? laughing
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  6. askort154
    askort154 28 September 2020 09: 58
    +3
    Chinese reporters announced the specifics of NATO air missions near Russia's borders.

    And I would focus on something else. All reconnaissance ships in the Black Sea, and all reconnaissance aircraft, and even the "formidable" flights of the B-52 over Ukraine near the Crimean border, testify to one thing - they do not violate the Russian borders around Crimea.
    And this clearly indicates that the United States and all NATO, "de facto" - recognize Crimea as part of Russia. So, the reconnaissance provocation with boats did not pass
    free for them. They made conclusions.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 September 2020 10: 17
      +2

      askort154 (Alexander)
      Today, 09: 58
      NEW
      +1
      Chinese reporters announced the specifics of NATO air missions near Russia's borders.

      And I would focus on something else. All reconnaissance ships in the Black Sea, and all reconnaissance aircraft, and even the "formidable" flights of the B-52 over Ukraine near the Crimean border, testify to one thing - they do not violate the Russian borders around Crimea.
      And this clearly indicates that the United States and all NATO, "de facto" - recognize Crimea as part of Russia ....
      And which of the Merikatos wants to be at the bottom and feed the crabs? wink
      1. askort154
        askort154 28 September 2020 12: 28
        0
        aszzz888] And which of the Merikatos wants to be at the bottom and feed the crabs?

        In Soviet times, they used to say - "they do it, they respect it!"
        Now we can conclude - "they do the same," but instead of themselves they substitute paid sixes who do not understand that they are being bought for green candy wrappers, like rams before slaughter - for the Anglo-Saxon market. Now this herd arranges a "mess" inside itself, so that the leading ram is from their atara. Today, the Polish ram is the leader. hi
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 28 September 2020 13: 30
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      So, the reconnaissance provocation with boats was not in vain for them. They made conclusions.
      Like, he walks around the fitness center, in fashionable underpants, a kind of quality and tells the girls how cool he looks, against Fedor Emelianenko.
  7. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 28 September 2020 11: 50
    0
    B-52s were used when flying to the borders of the Russian Federation
    The Ukrainian question must be closed, such flights are not acceptable for the security of the Russian Federation.
    1. iouris
      iouris 28 September 2020 15: 34
      -1
      Why not allow these B-52s to exert political pressure on "leaders" who do not support Trump, but support Biden?
  8. shinobi
    shinobi 29 September 2020 03: 42
    0
    Let's start with what the Yankees do not talk about and will never talk about: that the F-22, that the F-35, that the B-2 are perfectly visible to all radars operating in the decimeter and meter wavelengths. That is, to shoot them down for any modern (and not very) ground-based air defense systems are absolutely not problematic. All their invisibility is designed for the seeker of aircraft missiles operating in the VHF range. Yes, invisible at distances of more than 1,5-3 km. But since the current air-to-air missiles have combined seeker, with optical and IR module (which is not a novelty at all), it is not entirely clear against which enemy they plan to fight in the Pentagon. worked out back in the 40s and basically nobody canceled the guidance from the ground. The absence of ground stations in our country is possible only if a global strike of nuclear weapons is missed. But at the same time, I really strongly doubt that the United States will exist and will be capable of fighting go on.