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"Russophilia is a national destiny": Bulgaria urges to be friends with both Russia and the USA

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"Russophilia is a national destiny": Bulgaria urges to be friends with both Russia and the USA

Against the background of a deep socio-economic and political crisis, the Bulgarian Russophiles had the idea of ​​creating their own party. This idea will lead to success in the elections, but will not bring success to the country, the author of the Bulgarian edition of Fakti is sure.


If the Bulgarian Russophiles create their own party, they will certainly win the elections, because about 80% of Bulgarians support friendship with Russia, writes Svetlana Sharenkova. However, in her opinion, this will harm the country, since it should develop in a multi-vector manner.

(...) Russophilia is part of our identity, national destiny and the code of civilization - and all this cannot fit into the tight framework of a party project

- the author claims.

According to her, now there are many Russophiles in the Bulgarian Socialist Party, they are in the GERB party, the DPS and even in the right-wing parties. There are many fans of Russia among those who have long been disillusioned with politics and do not vote at all. Therefore, the creation of a Russophile party will only further disunite Russia's friends and lead to a new wave of Russophobia among its opponents.

The author suggests returning to a balanced foreign policy. Sofia needs to maintain good relations with Moscow and not succumb to outside pressure to make Bulgaria a springboard for Russian threats. At the same time, Bulgaria is a member of the EU and therefore must maintain relations with both the United States and China, as well as with Turkey and other countries.

Bulgaria, located at the crossroads between East and West, will be able to take advantage of its strategically important location and become a country that is respected even by the strong, a country that is not commanded

- sums up the publication.
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    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 28 September 2020 08: 43
      12
      That's for sure))) No one else has been able to eat a fish on two chairs and get comfortable)
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 28 September 2020 09: 04
        +8
        Quote: vkl.47
        And climb onto the tree and don't peel your ass off ..

        Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
        That's for sure)))On two chairs and eat the fish and get comfortable, no one has succeeded yet)

        Lukashenka ate "multi-vector" on the tonsils. And these, apparently, have not yet tried.

        Besides
        If the Bulgarian Russophiles create their own party, they will certainly win the elections, because about 80% of Bulgarians support friendship with Russia, writes Svetlana Sharenkova.
        This means that the remaining 20% ​​have dug in here on Topvar.

        And "they honor and look after the monuments to Soviet soldiers," and "they fought not against the USSR, but against the Americans," and "the salary in Russia is 200 euros" and we in Russia will soon be all dead, and so that they do not climb to them, they under the sensitive and gentle leadership of the United States, they live happily, richly and amicably in the European Union. Just yesterday, like crows, trenchant our Israeli colleagues, a whole squadron flew in an article on VO about how "Bulgaria demands from Russia to pay a penalty for MiG-29 fighters"
        1. Cutter
          Cutter 28 September 2020 09: 15
          +6
          [/ i] [because it should develop in a multi-vector manner.
          / b] Women with low social responsibility develop in many directions ... And love for the people who freed them from the oppression of the Turks. wink
          1. Temples
            Temples 28 September 2020 09: 22
            +3
            They will create a party.
            They will shout about friendship and cooperation with the Russians.
            The elections will win.
            Then the people who have sat down in the leading chairs will be bought as before.
            Glory to the EU again. We vote for the sanctions.

            And there will be new discontent among the residents.

            Probably a woman writes about this.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 28 September 2020 09: 37
              +2
              Quote: Temples
              They will create a party.
              They will shout about friendship and cooperation with the Russians.
              The elections will win.
              Then the people who have sat down in the leading chairs will be bought as before.
              Glory to the EU again. We vote for the sanctions.

              Until this moment, everything is absolutely correct, but here
              Quote: Temples
              And there will be new discontent among the residents.
              Probably a woman writes about this.
              Not really. "The woman is just writing about what Alexander Grigorievich got into and almost drowned in it - about" multi-vector ".
              about 80% of Bulgarians are in favor of friendship with Russia, writes Svetlana Sharenkova. However, in her opinion, this will harm the country, since it must develop multi-vector.
              The notorious "multi-vector" in plain text.
              Sofia needs to maintain good relations with Moscow and not succumb to external pressure to make Bulgaria a springboard for Russian threats. At the same time, Bulgaria is a member of the EU and therefore must maintain relations with both the United States and China, as well as with Turkey and other countries.
              She, a wretched woman, does not understand that either with Russia or with the US, NATO and the EU, and then - a springboard. America leaves no choice. Lukashenka understood this, spat on the "multi-vector approach" and did not lose. And the Bulgarians themselves want to try the taste of American shit.
              Well, go ahead and bon appetit ...
              1. Xenofont
                Xenofont 28 September 2020 12: 18
                +1
                Did the AG spit on the multi-vector approach? A big question for many! Nature, I'm afraid, will not allow and at the first convenient opportunity it will manifest itself. Americans know how to hold on to personal belongings with a strong grip, do not disdain. We do not want to do that, they are afraid of offending.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 28 September 2020 12: 25
                  +2
                  Bulgaria, located at the crossroads between East and West, will be able to take advantage of its strategically important location, and become a country that is respected even by the strong, a country that is not commanded

                  Being a small country located in the center of Europe and at the crossroads of other countries and at the same time being absolutely independent from anyone is an extremely NAIVE belief at the moment!
                  The world on the planet is too small for this, especially for SMALL countries in Europe.
                  It's like a person in a crowd. Namely.

                  For safety in a crowd, a person must either walk in the general stream so that he is not crushed. Or, at the same time, a person could hide in some solid niche of a passing building with an exit to the outside, but at the same time only at the first moment, until there was a crush there. And if in front and behind a person in a crowd - in a crush - is squeezed, then it is elementary that this crowd can be crushed and trampled to death in peacetime.
                  The same thing happens in interstate relations.

                  The main thing for Bulgaria and its people in the present CRISIS time is to find in time their historically and politically correct way out for their country and their people. First of all, correctly and competently decide to the FUTURE with its historical allies.
                  1. Temples
                    Temples 28 September 2020 14: 32
                    -2
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    present CRISIS time

                    Apparently "the present CRISIS time" is the middle name of this country.

                    For me, Poland with its Russophobia will be more reliable in business. It is always clear what to expect there.

                    Bulgaria has been engaged in kidnyak throughout its history.
                    Russophobes, but Russians are trying to prove their friendship.
                  2. Alex777
                    Alex777 28 September 2020 15: 36
                    +1
                    Therefore, the creation of a Russophile party will only further disunite Russia's friends and lead to a new wave of Russophobia among its opponents.

                    I noticed from the article that the idea of ​​creating a Russophile party frankly frightened the author.
                    So he sculpts a shadow on the fence.
                2. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 28 September 2020 13: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Xenofont
                  Did the AG spit on the multi-vector approach? A big question for many!

                  So far, it seems, yes. I'm only afraid that we - and the Russian Empire, the USSR, and the Russian Federation - have a downright pathological desire to choose their "friends" who, over time, when the ax moves away from the neck, love to answer us
                  despicable for the kindest. (from)
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            2. dzvero
              dzvero 28 September 2020 10: 07
              +2
              Straight into the top ten! The attitude towards Russia among ordinary people is practically the last "hobbyhorse", riding on which you can go "into the kingly" and press the local dinosaurs of the political superiors.
              Then the people who have sat down in the leading chairs will be bought as before.

              Perhaps the best way to compromise a good start. In my opinion, if the ruling circles see them as a threat, they will begin to pressurize at the stage of party registration. Then we will see incriminating evidence, espionage "cases", even the expulsion of Russian diplomats ... But the real compromise of the idea of ​​normal relations with the Russian Federation will be when the new leadership follows the well-trodden track of "democratic values."
          2. pytar
            pytar 28 September 2020 14: 17
            0
            Women with low social responsibility develop in many directions ...

            Does this also apply to Russian politics? After all, Putin has repeatedly stated that Russia's policy is designed for good relations with everyone! Multi-vector!
            And to the people who freed from the oppression of the Turks - love.

            To the people, yes ... They love Russians in Bulgaria! Do not consider strangers!
            Politics is always guided by the interests of the ruling, and fraternal, friendly relations are between people! hi
        2. pytar
          pytar 28 September 2020 14: 09
          0
          This means that the remaining 20% ​​have dug in here on Topvar.

          As far as I know my sonar readers are here, there is not a single Russophobe here. But communicating with people like you, even the most convinced Russophiles, they will stand aside ...
          I think if 80% of the Bulgarian citizens, who are benevolent to Russia, could read / see what is being circulated in rus-media and forums, their russophilia would go sooo quickly!
        3. Maksim
          Maksim 28 September 2020 15: 55
          0
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Just yesterday, like crows, whipping our Israeli colleagues, a whole squadron flew in an article


          I just want to ask Sind Sie Zoldat oder ein Dummkopf?
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 28 September 2020 09: 06
        +5
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        On two chairs and

        Now they are exactly on the same chair: NATO and the participants in all anti-Russian sanctions.

        So let there be a Russophile party, maybe even NATO and sanctions will come out ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 28 September 2020 14: 21
          -1
          So let there be a Russophile party, maybe even from NATO ...

          This is hardly possible. If such a process goes on, Turkey will immediately take advantage of it, leaning on its influence over the Turkish ethnic population in Bulgaria. We cannot avoid the Crimean scenario! We can leave NATO only by losing part of our territory!
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 28 September 2020 15: 31
            -2
            Quote: pytar
            This is hardly possible. If such a process goes on, Turkey will immediately take advantage of it, leaning on its influence over the Turkish ethnic population in Bulgaria. We cannot avoid the Crimean scenario! We can leave NATO only by losing part of our territory!

            How did you come to this life?

            NATO will not save you if the Turks want to. And they will want
            1. Maksim
              Maksim 28 September 2020 15: 56
              -1
              So you will be drunk with your sagacity. This will warm us and serve as a guiding star.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 28 September 2020 19: 19
                -3
                Quote: Mac Sim
                So will you get drunk his sagacity. We are will warm and serve as a guiding star

                Now in Russian, please
                1. Maksim
                  Maksim 29 September 2020 00: 18
                  -1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  And now in Russian


                  I ask:

                  So you will revel in your sagacity. For us this (unfortunately, Klava does not have a reverse) will warm and serve as a guiding star
            2. pytar
              pytar 28 September 2020 16: 09
              -1
              How did you come to this life?

              Because of you. For half a century we have been the most loyal allies! And then ... you betrayed us! The wildest thing is what you are doing - reproach us for betrayal! You betrayed and sold everything you could, reproach us for betrayal!
              NATO will not save you if the Turks want to. And they will want

              We know this perfectly well. We won some time, strengthened the economy, and are starting to rebuild the army. Improving relations with neighbors, we must face the threat together. And you cannot be counted on, there are few people to trust you.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 28 September 2020 19: 34
                -1
                Quote: pytar
                Because of you. For half a century we have been the most loyal allies! And then ... you betrayed us! The wildest thing is what you are doing - reproach us for betrayal! You betrayed and sold everything you could, reproach us for betrayal!

                Traitors accuse .... of betraying those without whom they would not exist in the world. belay request

                Let me just remind you that in 1915-1920 EVERYTHING was massacred whom Russia did not manage to free from the Ottomans - Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, etc.
                Quote: pytar
                We know this perfectly well. We won some time, strengthened the economy, and are starting to rebuild the army. Improving relations with neighbors, we must face the threat together.

                Meet strengthen, success. hi

                Only I remember very well WHAT such "meetings" ended up alone.

                And you have neighbors, yes, they are all "friends", yeah. yes

                There is only one question - they simultaneously with Turkey will go "for their own" or a little later.
                Quote: pytar
                And you cannot be counted on, there are few people to trust you.

                In no case: now everything is YOURSELF, yes.
                Good luck!
                1. pytar
                  pytar 28 September 2020 20: 26
                  -3
                  Traitors accuse .... of betraying those without whom they would not exist in the world.

                  You cannot be called a traitor, the one you betrayed! Besides, your myrogled is kind of narrow-minded ... Yes, listen to the Patriarch of All Russia Kiril! He directly says that without Bulgaria Russia would not be what it is now! Our connections come from time immemorial! You are carrying a civilization code created in medieval Bulgaria!
                  Let me just remind you that in 1915-1920 EVERYTHING was massacred whom Russia did not manage to free from the Ottomans - Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, etc.

                  Let me just remind you that we never came to you with weapons! We never went to war with you! And you came to us, unfortunately! You fought directly together with our worst enemies among the Bulgarian villages and villages, wishing our destruction!
                  Meet strengthen, success. I only remember very well WHAT these "meetings" ended up alone. And you have neighbors, yes, everyone is "friends", aha.

                  Trials await us, but we know one thing for sure - we were, are and will be! Long after many now greats will not be ...
                  In no case: now it's all BY YOURSELF, yes. Good luck!

                  Andrey, politics is always guided by interests! There is no sentiment, it’s only ordinary people. We will see how Russia's interests will develop. Neither you nor I can know. Your personal grievances and preferences do not matter. yes
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 29 September 2020 09: 07
                    +2
                    Quote: pytar
                    Without Bulgaria, Russia would not be what it is now! Our connections come from time immemorial! You are carrying a civilization code created in medieval Bulgaria!

                    YOUR "code, where the influence of EVERYONE around, including Bulgaria.
                    Quote: pytar
                    Trials await us, but we know one thing for sure - we were, are and will be! Long after many now greats will not be ...

                    There were no you without Russia, but today there would be a Turkish paradise.
                    Quote: pytar
                    ... Your personal grievances and preferences do not matter.

                    What grudges are you? On whom? request
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 29 September 2020 11: 14
                      0
                      YOUR "code, where the influence of EVERYONE around, including Bulgaria.


                      There were no you without Russia, but today there would be a Turkish paradise.

                      Either a Turkish paradise or they would have helped, but the language and self-consciousness would have been preserved. In the south of Bulgaria, in the Rhodope Mountains, the ethnic Bulgarians, the Mohamedans, live - the so-called. pomaks. On the same line of speculation, it can be assumed that without our influence from the 9th century on, you too could have accepted Islam.
                      What grudges are you? On WHOM? ... In no case: now, all BY YOURSELF, yes. Good luck

                      Link these your words and it becomes clear. My answer is in the sense that Russia's policy does not in any way depend on your opinion, which it was not. By themselves or with the help of Russia, it depends only on its interests, and they are determined by politicians, not me and not you, Andrey. hi
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 29 September 2020 12: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: pytar

                        Either a Turkish paradise or they would have helped, they would have retained self-consciousness

                        What is left of this among the Muslims of BiH, the Albanians?
                        It's nothing.
                        Quote: pytar
                        Link these your words and it becomes clear. My answer is in the sense that Russia's policy does not in any way depend on your opinion, which it was not. By themselves or with the help of Russia, it depends only on its interests, and they are determined by politicians, not me and not you,

                        Yes, it is clear.

                        But there is an article and you can express your opinion. And I am FOR the Russophile party in Bulgaria, for its withdrawal from NATO and its mutually beneficial alliance with Russia.

                        Do I have the right to dream?
                        I have! hi
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 29 September 2020 12: 57
                        0
                        What is left of this among the Muslims of BiH, the Albanians?

                        The Bosnians, as they were Bosniaks, remained so. By the way, they had their own state back in the 10th century, while with a very interesting / from the Bulgarian Bogomils / religion!
                        Albanians were and remain Albanians. Moreover, they have 2 religions with 2 variations each!
                        But there is an article and you can express your opinion. And I am FOR the Russophile party in Bulgaria, for its withdrawal from NATO and its MUTUALLY beneficial alliance with Russia. Do I have the right to dream? I have!

                        I am also FOR, though I am sure that it will definitely be! good It's a question of time! hi
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  • Alexga
    Alexga 28 September 2020 08: 39
    +3
    All this is doubtful. History has shown two world wars and in both cases Bulgaria is on the side of the enemies. Something like this.
    1. forest1
      forest1 28 September 2020 08: 43
      -6
      And what atrocities were perpetrated by the Bulgarian divisions of the ESES in Belarus and near Moscow, it’s even disgusting to remember
      1. WILL
        WILL 28 September 2020 08: 55
        17
        Quote: forest1
        And what atrocities were perpetrated by the Bulgarian divisions of the ESES in Belarus and near Moscow, it’s even disgusting to remember

        In fairness, the Bulgarians did not take part in the War on the Eastern Front. In Greece and the Balkans, they fought on the side of Germany. The USSR declared War on Bulgaria only on September 5, 1944.
        Be careful with historical facts!
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 28 September 2020 09: 15
        +5
        Quote: forest1
        And what atrocities were perpetrated by the Bulgarian divisions of the ESES in Belarus and near Moscow, it’s even disgusting to remember

        To be fair. I do not defend Bulgarians - I argued enough with them yesterday, to the point of heartburn. But this is the only country that fought on Hitler's side and did not take part in the hostilities on the Eastern Front. This was a condition for the conclusion of an alliance between the Bulgarian king and Hitler. Their monarch feared that if he forced the Bulgarians to shoot at the Russians, this would provoke pro-Soviet sentiments in the country and under him, under the tsar, his stool would sway.

        Therefore, there were no Bulgarian divisions either near Moscow or in Belarus. But this does not change anything - the role of Bulgaria in the Second World War until August-September 1944 is in any case more than unsightly. The ally and assistant of the Beast remains the ally and assistant of the Beast, regardless of who this beast fights with - a hare or a tiger.
        1. pytar
          pytar 28 September 2020 14: 28
          0
          For the sake of justice ... The ally and assistant of the Beast remains the ally and assistant of the Beast, regardless of who this beast fights with - a hare or a tiger ..

          In fairness, remember the friendship between Stalin and Hitler from 23 August 1939 to 22 June 1941! Situational collaboration? Based on the prevailing circumstances? Well, if the mighty USSR had to cooperate with the Beast for some time, what claims could there be against little Bulgaria, which the Wehrmach would have dug up all over in 2 days !? Bulgaria though, did not go to fight against the USSR! This is the maximum that was possible for her, in the conditions in which she was! Moreover, after 09.44 g. The Bulgarian army fought very effectively against Germany!
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 28 September 2020 15: 02
            +2
            Quote: pytar
            remember the friendship between Stalin and Hitler from 23 August 1939 to 22 June 1941! Situational collaboration?

            You, Young Europeans, are sick of this poor Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Remember that the USSR signed a similar non-aggression pact LAST in Europe. There was already the Anschluss of Austria, a year ago, with the tacit consent of Britain and France, backed by signatures in Munich, Germany swallowed the Sudetenland ...

            Vaughn, the Tribaltika and Poland ALSO love to scold Stalin for the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. And exactly the same, about non-aggression, treaties, German-Latvian and German-Estonian, were signed 7th of June 1939, and with Lithuania - more in March 1939. In addition, 25th of January 1934 - Declaration on the Non-Use of Force between Germany and Poland, 30 September 1938 of - Declaration of non-aggression between Germany and Great Britain, 6th of December 1938 - Declaration of non-aggression between Germany and France. Did not know? News for you?

            About the role of Bulgaria in World War II and about whose ally Bulgaria was - we better keep quiet about it. repeat Not Bulgaria to the Soviet Union to poke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in the eyes... Germans - and those today behave more modestly than those who served them.

            Better scold Britain and France for the Munich Agreement. What? No way? So they do not like to remember who actually turned a blind eye to Hitler's insolence and set him on Russia just because it is Soviet. Whose banks Hitler financed (I can directly hear the Americans fidgeting in their chair).
            1. pytar
              pytar 28 September 2020 15: 39
              0
              You, Young Europeans, are sick of this poor Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

              Igor, why are you so hysterical? I didn’t put in a single gram of reproach! The USSR acted in its own interests! Like everyone else! So why do you reproach us if we, 2 years later, did what you did? Moreover, in fact, few people were interested in whether we want to or not! What "choice" did we have? To fight with the Wehrmacht, invincible at that time, whose Danube grouping alone surpassed the entire Bulgarian army 6 times! And even at that time in Europe, only Great Britain was still holding on somehow! To become an ally with Stalin ??? Boris and the study examined such a variation. But what happened in the Baltic states sobered the king! He understood how the "union" between the Bolshevik USSR and monarchist Bulgaria would end for him. The most sensible solution was to sign a pact and do everything possible not to be directly linked to Hitler's adventures, which to a significant degree was successful.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 28 September 2020 15: 41
                0
                Quote: pytar
                Igor, why are you so hysterical?

                Lost, Boyan ... repeat drinks Your countrymen hurt my nerves yesterday ...
                1. pytar
                  pytar 28 September 2020 16: 12
                  -2
                  Don't you think that this mutual pumping from the negative looks like a closed circle? what Self-sustaining generation, well, with a handout from the outside ... bully
                2. Maksim
                  Maksim 28 September 2020 16: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  I got nervous yesterday


                  What is it?
              2. Polymer
                Polymer 28 September 2020 16: 53
                0
                Quote: pytar
                He understood how the "union" between the Bolshevik USSR and monarchist Bulgaria would end for him.

                Those. he was faced with a choice: to become dependent on the USSR or Germany. And in fact, and in another case - a complete occupation. So why was his choice made in favor of the Germans?
                1. dzvero
                  dzvero 28 September 2020 18: 17
                  +1
                  So why was his choice made in favor of the Germans?

                  1.he is from the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family
                  2. almost complete domination of German capital in the country's economy
                  3.Hopes with the help of the Reich to return the lost lands
                  Here, as they say, "not everything is so simple" smile
                  In November 1940, the USSR offered Bulgaria a mutual assistance treaty. It indicated that the USSR was not against Bulgaria's entry into the Triple Pact (the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo axis), and that the USSR itself was considering its eventual entry into it. Indeed, at that very time, the USSR was invited to take part in the pact and negotiated. As a result, the USSR refused to be the object of German geopolitics and had to defend its right to be a sovereign political entity and world superpower in a bloody war. Bulgaria joined the Triple Pact in March 1941 ...
                  1. Polymer
                    Polymer 28 September 2020 18: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: dzvero
                    Here, as they say, "not everything is so simple"

                    By itself.
                    Quote: dzvero
                    The USSR is not against Bulgaria's entry into the Triple Pact (axes Rome-Berlin-Tokyo

                    It seems that there was supposed to be a "Pact of the Four Powers", in which, purely arithmetically, there was no place for Bulgaria as an independent unit. She was supposed to enter as a satellite of the USSR. And this was only one of the points of the latter's requirements, and besides him there was also about Finland, the straits, Sakhalin, etc.
                    1. dzvero
                      dzvero 28 September 2020 19: 11
                      +2
                      Absolutely right. All the little things joined later. At that time, the leadership of the USSR understood what was what. They delayed the war with Germany as best they could. And some of the requirements were set deliberately impossible; for further bargaining probably. They say they brought Hitler to white heat.
              3. Polymer
                Polymer 28 September 2020 19: 15
                0
                Quote: pytar
                What "choice" did we have? To fight with the Wehrmacht, invincible at that time, whose Danube grouping alone surpassed the entire Bulgarian army 6 times! And even at that time in Europe, only Great Britain was still holding on somehow! To become an ally with Stalin ??? Boris and the cabinet examined such a variant

                So there was a choice after all. And Boris chose an alliance with Hitler. Was this the right step? After all, Hitler lost, but Bulgaria still ended up in the socialist camp.
                In the territories of the USSR occupied by the Germans, the local population was also asked to cooperate. And some agreed, became policemen. But the majority refused - they went to the partisans, they even preferred execution or the gallows, but not cooperation with the enemy.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 28 September 2020 19: 54
                  -1
                  Those. he was faced with a choice: to become dependent on the USSR or Germany. And in fact, and in another case - a complete occupation. So why was his choice made in favor of the Germans?

                  Kolleg Ivo, answered in sufficient detail. I will only add that the decision to join the Axis was supported by the fact that Germany promised to give Bulgaria its ethnic territories in western Thrace and Macedonia, where at that time a quarter of all Bulgarian people lived. Then there was no question of a war against the USSR.
                  So there was a choice after all. And Boris chose an alliance with Hitler. Was this the right step? After all, Hitler lost, but Bulgaria still ended up in the socialist camp.

                  There was no choice. Over the Danube, hung over 600 thousand. German grouping. From the southeast, the half-million Turkish army was waiting. The Bulgarian army at that time was incapable of combat. Only 100 thousand. a bayonet, shells in warehouses, as for exercises. The country was under the restrictions of the Treaty of Neu for 20 years. Tsar Boris, who called the day on which he signed the pact, are black themselves in their lives! With all that, he understood that the alliance with Germany was not strongly threatened by the ego of the dynasty, but with the USSR, this meant the end of the monarchy. In the meantime, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia signed a pact by entering the Axis. Boris set such a condition for the Germans, and he could not pull further.
                  I'm sure few have read the Axis entry agreements! There, Part 5 indicates that each country is a member of the pact, has the right to conduct relations with the USSR at its discretion! That is, the very membership in the Axis did not oblige the countries to fight against the USSR! Boris on this basis did not allow Bulgaria to participate in the war against the USSR! He retained neutrality and diplomatic relations with him, despite Hitler's pressure! This was the maximum that Bulgaria could do with regard to the USSR! It's amazing what they did, the Vedic Hitler did not reckon with anyone! By the way, in Bulgaria there was also a partisan movement, although not as massively as, for example, in Yugoslavia.
                  From now on, we can speculate a lot, we can reproach Boris, but in fact he managed to save and transfer Bulgaria with minimal losses, through the most terrible cataclysm of the 20th century! In all other scenarios, the very existence of my small people would be called into question. And what is the main duty of every true ruler? Save the people and the state as much as possible! Boris fulfilled this task! hi
                  1. Polymer
                    Polymer 28 September 2020 20: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: pytar
                    With all that, he understood that the alliance with Germany was not strongly threatened by the ego of the dynasty, but with the USSR, this meant the end of the monarchy.

                    Well, the fact that he thought more about himself, his beloved, than about the people is just understandable.
                    Quote: pytar
                    Save the people and the state as much as possible! Boris fulfilled this task!

                    Not quite so, because as a result not only he himself "lost face", but the entire Bulgarian people. Wrong actions always lead to wrong results.
                    I can understand the attitude of officials towards Boris, but you, ordinary people? There is in our recent history a particularly distinguished "peacemaker", even two who really wanted to be friends with the West and concluded all kinds of agreements on peace and cooperation with them. Official politicians do not touch them either. But the people hate them fiercely.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 28 September 2020 21: 10
                      0
                      Well, the fact that he thought more about himself, his beloved, than about the people is just understandable.

                      Of course, every person has an instinct of self-preservation, and even more so, monarchs! Saxcoburggott country dynasty! Ego's full name is Boris Clement Robert Maria Piy Stanislav Sakskoburggotsky! Damn, it's hard to remember! belay Probably the Bulgarians from his palace environment wrote down the full name on a piece of paper or in the palm of their hand! bully
                      In any case, Boris said this: "My wife sympathizes with Italy / she is an Italian /, my generality is Germany, the people are Russia, only I am Pro-Bulgarian!" laughing
                      Not quite so, because as a result not only he himself "lost face", but the entire Bulgarian people. Wrong actions always lead to wrong results.

                      Why are they wrong ?! You are not his contemporary! He acted wisely in view of the situation! And how did the Bulgarian people "lose face"? He gave no more than 100-150 victims / + 3-4 thousand. civilians / fighting the British and Americans, but in the war against the monarchy and the Wehrmacht, more than 25 thousand died. / +16 thousand wounded and maimed /! As a result of the actions of the Bulgarian army, Germany lost 80 thousand soldiers, and another 200 thousand, were surrounded and surrendered to the British in Greece! "Lost Face" are not invited to the Victory Parade! Right there, Commander-in-Chief of the 2BGA, Gen. Stoichev!

                      I can understand the attitude of officials towards Boris, but you, ordinary people?

                      I personally have great respect for Tsar Boris! He is one of our few rulers whom the people truly loved!

                      There is in our recent history a particularly distinguished "peacemaker", even two who really wanted to be friends with the West ... But the people hate them fiercely.

                      Yes, there are all sorts of stories in your story, ours too.
                      1. Polymer
                        Polymer 28 September 2020 21: 19
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        "Lost Face" are not invited to the Victory Parade!

                        The Soviet Union just tried to remember only the good and not remember the bad. I tried to restore this "lost face" as best I could. Not only in relation to Bulgaria. Not appreciated all this, unfortunately.
                        But this does not refute my words.
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 28 September 2020 21: 22
                        -1
                        The Soviet Union just tried to remember only the good and not remember the bad.

                        The Soviet Union tried to expand its influence! In fulfilling this goal, he did not disdain to help the most frostbitten regimes in the world! The West and China did exactly the same! And now it is, there is nothing new.
                      3. Polymer
                        Polymer 28 September 2020 21: 26
                        0
                        Clear. Everything is wrong for you: helping is bad, not helping is bad. Only Bulgarians are good fellows and handsome!
                        Good luck! hi
                      4. pytar
                        pytar 28 September 2020 21: 39
                        0
                        Clear. Everything is wrong for you: helping is bad, not helping is bad. Only Bulgarians are good fellows and handsome!

                        Yes, everything is so, everything is so ...! We have no complaints against anyone! This is for some reason you have a claim to everyone! It's strange ... some of you are great and handsome, and all the others are not ... No.
                        I don’t understand how it is ?! Say they helped, released, right? I do not argue, it is! And why, having released, then forced the released, to live according to your statutes? The most amazing thing is that you changed these charters of yours 3 times in just a century! Yes, we do not have time for you, what is it ?! request
                      5. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 28 September 2020 21: 56
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        Say they helped, released, right? I do not argue, it is! And why, having released, then forced the released, to live according to your charters? The most amazing thing is that you changed these charters of yours 3 times in just a century! Yes, we do not have time for you, what is it ?!

                        What are the statutes? What are you talking about, tovarisch from Bulgaria?
                        When did you live your own, unruly life? Maybe only when Khan Asparukh brought his compatriots to the present territory of Bulgaria.
                        When were Bulgaria or the Bulgarian Kingdom independent? When did you conduct an independent policy? You were considered a country if only under Todor Zhivkov. And so, then a free supplement to the Ottoman Empire, then an honorary member of the EU.
                      6. pytar
                        pytar 28 September 2020 22: 06
                        0
                        We lived according to our own rules, even when apparently we lived according to strangers. And yes, it was such that others lived according to our statutes! You for example, but it was so long ago that most of you have no idea. Your first books are our books. Your first knowledge is our knowledge. To the modern Russian patriot, such things seem to be nonsense, for that we'd better leave things as they seem to you. So you will probably live better. Say about independence, getting up from your knees, I know very well, they sound from every TV set you have. But no country is completely independent! This is an illusion, propaganda Dust! The big ones have more weight, and that's okay. We are a small country, but we don't need anything! We have everything you need! And you have endless expanses, immeasurable riches, and with all that, you do not have enough all the time! There are others like you, I don't know what the problem is ?!
                      7. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 28 September 2020 22: 43
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        You for example, but it was so long ago that most of you have no idea. Your first books are our books. Your first knowledge is our knowledge

                        My dear!
                        I beg you ... Don't rip the NATO vest on your patriotic chest. The history of Russia, and, in part, the history of the Kingdom of Bulgaria, I know as well as you ...
                        No one denies the influence of church books brought from Bulgaria, after the adoption of Christianity in Russia, on the development of the then Old Russian language. But one should not exaggerate this influence, since along with the church books, not only Bulgarian clergy, but also Greek clergy came to Russia with their own books.
                        This is how the Bulgarian words came into use in Russia. But they did not replace their own, kondovye, relatives. And to say that the Russian language is a dialect of Bulgarian, sheer delirium. Since the same church books that came to Bohemia, Moravia, Bohemia and Poland, together with Catholic priests, did not have much influence on the Slavic language. Only for the alphabet. But the service in Catholic churches was conducted in Latin. So?
                        Quote: pytar
                        you miss something all the time!

                        Is this the popular position of the Bulgarian people in relation to the Russian?
                        Believe us, everything is enough for us. Both enemies and friends, especially people like you.
                        What we lack is calmness on our borders. Again, there are frolic countries - limitrophes, like the jackal Tabaki from "The Jungle Book" by R. Kipling. Which of the category
                        Quote: pytar
                        no country is completely independent! This is an illusion, propaganda Dust!

                        Here everything is correct ... As soon as the people decide that the next owner will "declare me their beloved wife," such an owner is immediately found.
                        Nobody blames you Bulgarians for the fact that you, Romanians, Balts and other button countries, have only one place - on the uniform of a great country. So you download like fleas, from uniform to uniform ...
                      8. pytar
                        pytar 28 September 2020 23: 20
                        -1
                        My dear!

                        Ilyich, I am dear to my grandchildren, but I am not dear to you ... lol
                        Do not tear the NATO vest on your patriotic chest.

                        I served in the BNA, we drank a lot of brandy and wine together with our Soviet friends, so much so that when the political officer came to the UAZ at 2 am, I did not believe it with my own eyes! drinks
                        not only Bulgarian clergy came to Russia, but also Greek ones, also with their books

                        Everything was rosy, sincere, but from the Greek there was a problem! The locals did not understand Greek, and the Greeks did not really know Slavic! But we didn't have any problems, they spoke the same language with yours ... and they understood our books!
                        Is this the popular position of the Bulgarian people in relation to the Russian?

                        It's my personal opinion. The opinions of the Bulgarian people are probably different, I did not ask everyone. laughing
                        Again, the countries are playing pranks there - the limitrophes, like the Tabaki jackal ... Here everything is correct ... As soon as the people decide that the next owner "will declare me their beloved wife", such an owner is immediately found. Nobody blames you Bulgarians for the fact that you, Romanians, Balts and other button countries, have only one place - on the uniform of a great country. So you download like fleas, from uniform to uniform.

                        Brilliant example, demonstrating natural suburban chauvinism! With ripped off pants, but great in its own way! Instead of Colt, on the Vanguard belt! lol Keep it up! Cool! good
                      9. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 28 September 2020 23: 27
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        Ilyich, I am dear to my grandchildren, but you are not dear

                        Since my grandchildren turned 6 the other day (twins), I consider our dispute over.
                        Quote: pytar
                        I served in the BNA

                        Your fellow countryman studied with me in the same group. He served in the air defense.
                        Now on the shore. Tied up with the sea.
                        Good luck!
                        hi
                      10. pytar
                        pytar 28 September 2020 23: 32
                        +1
                        Since my grandchildren turned 6 the other day (twins), I consider our dispute over.

                        May God grant your grandchildren health, happiness and a peaceful sky over their heads! good For all grandchildren, good health! drinks
                        Good luck!

                        Good luck to you too! hi
  • Maksim
    Maksim 28 September 2020 20: 01
    +2
    Quote: Polymer
    So there was a choice after all. And Boris chose an alliance with Hitler.

    There was no choice as such. Bulgaria in the 30s was guided by England and Italy. Boris remembered well how Bulgaria's participation in the European showdown ended. And he tried not to get there with a single foot. But when the 1940nd Army Group was on the Danube in March 2, you couldn't really choose. And before Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic States, Romania, Poland, Finland, France and Benelux served as a good example. It was clear that one should be wary of the army that was at your gate. And this was not the Red Army. That's why the Wehrmacht won. In his place, the Special Kiev VO, Tsar Boris would have signed Sobolev's papers. And so your club in 1941 turned out to be shorter. For that they won back in 1944. Although the BA then could spoil a lot of blood for you, simply because it was an order of magnitude stronger than in 1941. How could they oppose the Germans then? 100 thousand people, no heavy weapons, 150 aircraft and that's it. Even so, we really didn’t. If the entire operation of Germany against Yugoslavia took 11 days, it would take 11 hours against us and the main enemy would be the Bulgarian roads. More precisely, their absence.
    Any more questions?
    1. Polymer
      Polymer 28 September 2020 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: Mac Sim
      And so your club in 1941 turned out to be shorter.

      Confirm that only strength matters to you?
      This must be taken into account, yes.
      1. pytar
        pytar 28 September 2020 21: 29
        0
        You know, dibinka is important for everyone! On big ones like you and the USA or China, the result is a big stick! In short, measure yourself with clubs, and leave people to live as they want.
      2. Maksim
        Maksim 29 September 2020 00: 25
        +1
        Quote: Polymer
        Confirm that only strength matters to you?


        Well, when the forces are not comparable - why is it a bazaar?
  • Maksim
    Maksim 28 September 2020 16: 22
    -1
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    You got sick, young Europeans


    Sorry, but the Young Europeans are just you and your ilk. When the Bulgarians had a state, you never dreamed of such a thing.
    As for the cooperation between Germany and the USSR, it didn't start in 1939. In addition, obeying shouts from Moscow, the Bulgarian communists did not rock the boat against Germany until 1941 - an ally of Big Brother, all the same. You heard about the cooperation of the Wehrmacht with the Red Army of the 30s?
    1. pytar
      pytar 28 September 2020 16: 46
      0
      Ivan Ivanovich, well, no ... you understand their "way of thinking"! They (our opponents) can do anything, they are always right, no matter what pirouets and twists they do! And others nizz! Russian can be current! laughing
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 28 September 2020 17: 55
        -2
        Boyan, Not well, I understand. They are big, ferocious with uber-super-duper puzalok. And judging from the height of their imperial past and way of thinking, they are right for themselves. For this I do not blame them. But why lie about history and vilify us? That’s not clear. request
        It's good that I have never met such uber experts in my life. Adequate people only came across. Or the scribblers don't live in Russia here. No.
        1. pytar
          pytar 28 September 2020 18: 43
          -2
          You know, Ivanych, I was lucky enough to meet in real life with some of those Russians with whom I argued on the Internet before! And you know, they're sitting on my chair drinks , were not so confident, because they were ashamed to look in my eyes and lie! With all that, they somehow managed to dodge! The fact is that a Russian never gives up! This is such a national feature, in certain critical situations, fatally important! The Russian will beat his head against the wall of Pravda, as in concrete, but will not admit that he is wrong! That is why the Russians are invincible, even if they are wrong! This is the result of the difficult conditions in which the Russian nation was formed. On the one hand, it is useful for their living conditions, on the other hand, it is harmful, as it blocks the ability to perceive the external world adequately. Despite their peculiarities, Russians are our brothers, and even in some kind of mayor is our business. I mean the medieval Bulgarian civilization, whose direct continuation and development is Russian! bully
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 28 September 2020 19: 11
            -3
            I know all this, although I didn’t have a feast with fools. The fact that "Russians do not surrender" I know to blue in the face wassat Damn, we have the same jokes and proverbs, that's why we find a common language so easily.
            That is why I say that the programming of moronic bulgarophobia with phrases like “they are ungrateful”, “they always betrayed us / fought against us” will come back to haunt the next generations when they will look at them as ... well, they will not take village fools seriously. Do they need it?
            1. pytar
              pytar 28 September 2020 19: 33
              -2
              Also, out of courtesy, I did not mention that ... they do not want to know what is not included in the statutes ... They try not to notice such facts, they ignore them. Interesting, huh? laughing
            2. Maksim
              Maksim 28 September 2020 20: 14
              -1
              I honestly have not met such people. Normal men, like us, with their cockroaches in their heads. Slightly more gloomy (Belarusians are worth something), but most of them are normal. Here on VO they are lost in the mass of balabols.
            3. pytar
              pytar 28 September 2020 20: 44
              0
              Quite possible. That's what surprises me - our ignoramuses are less educated than Russian ones! Because ours do not reach the Internet! bully
            4. Maksim
              Maksim 29 September 2020 00: 27
              +1
              He is so ignorant in Africa too. The same ... let's say parasites. stop
  • alatanas
    alatanas 28 September 2020 10: 08
    +2
    Remember, Remember ...
    FANTAST fool
  • Maksim
    Maksim 28 September 2020 16: 17
    +1
    Quote: forest1
    Bulgarian ESES divisions

    From that moment I ask for more details (I ran for popcorn).

  • rocket757
    rocket757 28 September 2020 08: 41
    +3
    If the Bulgarian Russophiles create their own party, they will certainly win the elections, because about 80% of Bulgarians support friendship with Russia, writes Svetlana Sharenkova. However, in her opinion, this will harm the country, since it should develop in a multi-vector manner.

    Oh, how familiar it is .... here, not having a cure, one is the same, well thought out, almost fell off ALL chairs !!!
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 September 2020 09: 09
      +4
      Greetings hi
      Here are the right words about Europe:
      There can be no union between Russia and the West, neither for the sake of interests, nor for the sake of principles, we, Russians, must invariably remember that the principles on which Russia and Europe stand are so opposite, so mutually deny each other that life alone is possible only at the cost of death other. Consequently, the only natural policy of Russia towards the Western powers is not an alliance with one or another of these powers, but their separation, separation. Because only when they are separated from each other, they cease to be hostile to us - due to their powerlessness.
      Fedor Ivanovich Tyutchev
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 September 2020 09: 22
        +1
        Boom to see how long they can, at the same time, hold out.
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 September 2020 09: 30
          +4
          We need to help them, our ancestors were wise ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 September 2020 09: 36
            -1
            How can you help them? they are all stoned, stoned, ottole / P / astenny, obdermkrachtichennye .... there is simply nothing to add to that "mix".
            1. cniza
              cniza 28 September 2020 09: 39
              +4
              And not to interfere with them, they will do everything themselves, or rather, they are already doing ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 28 September 2020 09: 53
                0
                Let's see how their leader, from the white hill, will deal with his internal mix.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 28 September 2020 12: 34
                  +4
                  Oh yes, there will be a very funny situation, and there will be many leaders and everyone will sort it out among themselves.
            2. Maksim
              Maksim 28 September 2020 16: 24
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              how can you help them


              A kind word for example.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 28 September 2020 17: 56
                0
                You know, the censer is all the more reliable. Reaches faster.
          2. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 28 September 2020 10: 17
            +1
            Quote: cniza
            We need to help them, our ancestors were wise ...

            No matter how much you help, in the end they will still be called invaders. hi
            1. cniza
              cniza 28 September 2020 12: 34
              +2
              So it depends on what to help ...
              1. Vladimir_6
                Vladimir_6 28 September 2020 13: 03
                +1
                Quote: cniza
                So it depends on what to help ...

                They have a "Big Boss" to take care of them. The USSR helped all the disadvantaged. Then I had to write off the debts. And now only mutually beneficial cooperation.
                As they say: "nothing but business."
                1. cniza
                  cniza 28 September 2020 13: 22
                  +2
                  And you read my first post and you will understand what kind of help I was talking about. yes
                  1. Vladimir_6
                    Vladimir_6 28 September 2020 13: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: cniza
                    And you read my first post and you will understand what kind of help I was talking about. yes

                    "The only natural policy of Russia towards the Western powers is not an alliance with one or another of these powers, but their separation, separation."
                    Understood. This is the right help. good
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 28 September 2020 17: 51
                      +2
                      Our ancestors got tired of them and gave us a covenant how to act in the future, but for some reason they forgot, we need to correct it. lol
                      1. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 28 September 2020 20: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: cniza
                        Our ancestors got tired of them and gave us a covenant how to act in the future, but for some reason they forgot, we need to correct it. lol

                        The ancestor's covenant must be fulfilled. smile
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 28 September 2020 20: 48
                        +2
                        So they agreed on a plan of action, and they would have listened to it. drinks
                      3. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 28 September 2020 21: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: cniza
                        So they agreed on a plan of action, and they would have listened to it. drinks

                        Well, for consent! (from). drinks
  • pytar
    pytar 28 September 2020 14: 30
    0
    Here are the right words about Europe: There can be no union between Russia and the West, neither for the sake of interests, nor for the sake of principles, we Russians must invariably remember that the principles on which Russia and Europe stand are so opposite, so mutually deny each other that the life of one is possible only at the cost of the death of the other.

    Historical facts refute the assertions of Fyodor Ivanovich Tyutchev. More time Russia, just was allies in different Western coalitions! The West is heterogeneous, Russia was part of its system.
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 September 2020 17: 53
      +2
      I do not presume to judge, but if we take historical realities, then everyone betrayed us later, for the sake of justice, and we sometimes did this to please politicians ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 28 September 2020 18: 29
        +1
        I do not presume to judge, but if we take historical realities, then everyone betrayed us later, for the sake of justice, and we sometimes did this to please politicians ...

        Victor, there is no "who is first, who is later" ... All politics have been this way from time immemorial! Walking in circles! Russian is not an exclusion!
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 September 2020 19: 43
          +2
          And for the frequent rake, though only the people get spelled ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 28 September 2020 20: 33
            0
            But I cannot agree with this judgment. hi
        2. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 28 September 2020 21: 16
          0
          Quote: pytar
          All politics have been like that from time immemorial! Walking in circles! Russian is not an exclusion!

          Your drawing is missing a group of people in the center of the circle. Those who lead the runners. hi
          1. pytar
            pytar 28 September 2020 21: 19
            +1
            I didn't bother too much! Sper from the Internet ready ... laughing And those who lead the runner are not sitting in plain sight, they are hiding behind the scenes! wink
            1. Vladimir_6
              Vladimir_6 28 September 2020 22: 10
              +1
              Quote: pytar
              I didn't bother too much! Sper from the Internet ready.

              I’m not picking on you. Correct drawing. The thought of the missing link just came up. hi
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 28 September 2020 08: 42
    +3
    At the same time Bulgaria is a member of the EU and
    a NATO member ... what a multi-vector approach ... Of the listed countries, only the PRC is not a NATO member ...
  • g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 28 September 2020 08: 44
    12
    Russians do not need to be loved before any "-filism". Just be sane people.
    Democracy is when a minority has equal rights with the majority, but obeys the majority. Western democracy is when a minority dictates its terms and rules the majority.
    Dictatorship ... not?
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 28 September 2020 09: 02
      +1
      Quote: g1washntwn
      Democracy is when a minority has equal rights with the majority, but obeys the majority. Western democracy is when a minority dictates its terms and rules the majority.
      Dictatorship ... not?

      Concise, concise and concise definition good Yours?
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 28 September 2020 09: 51
        +2
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        Yours?

        Music - folk, words - folk smile
        Everything is in sight. If 80% disagree with the current policy and see that the minority forms foreign policy, or 20% demands to give power for thanks, then something has broken in their democracy ... or it never existed, but there was and is a puppet theater about democracy. 2 * 2 = 4 whatever and whoever tries to prove to us otherwise.
        1. pytar
          pytar 28 September 2020 16: 31
          0
          Everything is in sight. If 80% do not agree with the current policy and see that the minority forms foreign policy, or 20% demand to give power for thanks, then something has broken in their democracy ...

          Here we need to clarify! bully As for military alliances, it is true that Bulgarians, Serbs and Greeks are leading in Europe in preference to have the Russian Federation as an ally. All children of the country, Orthodox Christians, have a cultural and historical affinity with Russia.
          But in the sphere of economics and political structure, the situation is the opposite! More than 2/3 of Bulgarians support EU membership. Protests that have been taking place for 2 months in Sofia, directed against corruption and "lack of democracy"! People want to have European democracy, respect for civil and social rights! In protests, there is no foreign policy at all! Today's Russia in its present oligarchic-authoritarian look looks extremely repulsive! Russia does not have its own civilizational model, it is now a compilation, from the very worst from the previous totalitarianism and current capitalism! Against the background of your "democracy", ours looks much better! yes
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 29 September 2020 07: 03
            +1
            Politics cannot be viewed separately from economics. The Western market model is the same old colonial exploitation. Only the forms and methods of controlling other people's resources and means of production have changed. Political methods work for this system. Just forget about equal rights, because under capitalism the concentration of resources and power in the same private hands is inevitable. The pressure on those who resist this system will not disappear. If you want a fish, bend over and have fun. As in the Russian proverb, both this and that can be obtained only in this way. And as for the totalitarian-authoritarian views, you will go to Brussels, which today is almost an exact copy of the Politburo of the CPSU. Russia today is looking for a new path, yes. It is not entirely clear how and in what form, but there are no intentions to kneel down yet. It never happened.
            1. pytar
              pytar 29 September 2020 11: 23
              0
              Politics cannot be viewed separately from economics. The Western market model is the same old colonial exploitation.

              You are right - politics and economics are interconnected. And the Western market model is at the heart of the Russian one. The Russian probably had a greater concentration / monopoly / resources in certain clans, and the predatory instinct grew. oligarchs do not retreat to the West.
              And as for the totalitarian-authoritarian views, you will go to Brussels, which today is almost an exact copy of the Politburo of the CPSU.

              The bureaucratized model of governance of the European Union is somewhat similar to the PB of the CPSU. This is his weakness. The advantage is that no one drags anyone into the EU by force. You can enter, you can leave if you don't like it. For all ego imperfections, the European Union is the most successful political and economic union in the history of Europe.
              Russia today is looking for a new path, yes.

              As I understand the search will be long. Because the ruling clans are not interested in changes, their current model is completely satisfied.
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 29 September 2020 12: 27
                +1
                The EU was created according to the same "pack jackal" model as NATO. A political-economic bloc for the final formation in addition to the military "occupation" mechanism. For all the same more effective and "soft" management of "neo-colonies" and "fair" distribution of resources in Eurasia. The bloc confrontation has not gone anywhere. And do not be offended, but Bulgaria has long been beyond the line from where Russia is seen only as a commodity. Today you simply won't be allowed to have YOUR opinion and independent position. Even the British have problems with understanding this project and problems with "free" entry and exit from the EU. And it would seem, "the mistress of the seas" and "member of the board of directors" ...
                Which way is Russia going? We are not the first and far from the last to shout "Rus surrender, you are surrounded by useless resistance."
                About the "ruling clans", I think that our "oligarchs" are up to the level of the cryptocracy of the Rothschilds and other Clintons as if they were skiing to the moon. So, on little things, Easter cakes are sculpted in someone else's sandbox.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 28 September 2020 09: 04
      +1
      Quote: g1washntwn
      Democracy is when a minority has equal rights with the majority, but obeys the majority.

      Well, that's our way, Soviet way
      Quote: g1washntwn
      Western democracy is when a minority dictates its terms and rules the majority.

      And this is in Greek. When the rich came up with "democracy." being slave owners.
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 28 September 2020 09: 27
      +3
      Quote: g1washntwn
      Democracy is when a minority has equal rights with the majority, but obeys the majority.

      I didn't say - Thomas Jefferson, XNUMXrd President of the United States-
      Democracy is a legal right 51% don't give a damn about will 49%.


      And another iconic American is Benjamin Franklin, statesman, one of the founding fathers of the United States. The one with a piece of 100 dollars -
      Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote who they should eat for dinner
      ».

      Black Lives Matter now knows about equal rights better than anyone - Whites, asking black bandyugans for forgiveness on their knees for the fact that they, blacks, great-great ... grandfathers of these whites were first removed from a palm tree in Africa, and then began to oppress.
      .
    4. pytar
      pytar 28 September 2020 14: 33
      0
      Western democracy is when the minority dictates its terms and rules the majority. Dictatorship ... not?

      And in modern Russia, how is it, do not shine? bully
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 28 September 2020 15: 07
        0
        Quote: pytar
        And in modern Russia, how is it, do not shine?

        Much better than perestroika. It is more difficult and more hectic than under the USSR, but it has its own permanent position, without rushing from one rank to another. Everyone has drawbacks, but these are our drawbacks, and we should deal with them. As for the Bulgarians, I only express my opinion among many and do not impose it on anyone. If 80% really agree to live with the political agenda that is set for them by a clear minority - this is THEIR and only THEIR choice.
        1. pytar
          pytar 28 September 2020 15: 49
          +1
          I asked you for a reason, as I often visit Russia. My family is Russian-Bulgarian. drinks Many Russian members of the forum are trying to tell me fairy tales here, how it is with you and yes with us! And I know from the first person ... bully
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 28 September 2020 16: 33
            0
            Yeah storytellers. It's good that they didn't start talking about bears on the streets.
          2. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 29 September 2020 07: 16
            0
            Demonstration of "everyday life" in political discourse is bad manners. If you have already jumped into a trench - then tell us how you see our field of Russian "totalitarianism" from there. Who oppresses, coerces and exploits whom, interferes with the realization of legal rights and constitutional freedoms. The main thing - before answering, do not forget to compare with the Western model to which you are striving so much.
            1. pytar
              pytar 29 September 2020 11: 31
              0
              I base my opinion on personal observations, and this is not "everyday life". If you want to talk like on TV, they are good for you. Critical materials about Russian reality abound in ru-net. And Western in Western media! We are trying to implement what is good in the world, in accordance with our specifics. Not quite successful, but the road is correct. The driving force is middle and young / active / generation. The old generation is nostalgic for the past, which is also normal.
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 29 September 2020 12: 51
                0
                I have nothing against your wishes. Everyone wants to live satisfying, comfortable and safe.
                There is nothing reprehensible to go over to a stronger tribe, and to learn from him different ways of getting food - too. But now, personally I am confused that this "stronger tribe" is kind of ... a little cannibals, parasites. Pure antibiosis.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 29 September 2020 13: 10
                  0
                  There is nothing reprehensible to defect to a stronger tribe, and to learn from him different ways of getting food - too.

                  Yes, you in the 90s so jumped over your head! And this is not the first time, it should be noted ... lol
                  But now, personally I am confused that this "stronger tribe" is kind of ... a little cannibals, parasites.

                  We are discussing with you on a site whose structure looks something like this:

                  We use technologies invented by the hated west. It's good that at least we are writing in Cyrillic, created in Bulgaria. laughing
                  1. g1washntwn
                    g1washntwn 29 September 2020 14: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: pytar
                    Yes, you in the 90s so jumped over your head! And this is not the first time, it should be noted

                    To fall and somersaults are different. Not for the first time - is this about a revolution? Or what other times you itch like one size fits all?
                    Quote: pytar
                    We use technologies invented by the hated west

                    From the first campfire, any technology is created to facilitate consumption. HTML is simply a new standard to make it easier to use an information resource. Thank you for the symbolic visualization of the Old Church Slavonic language. But the vowel and tacit imposition of language (English, artistic, musical, C ++, economics, etc.) is already an element of assimilation into its own format. These are already "soft" methods of influencing consciousness. If you say "take on the best," you are talking about a recipe. I'm talking about how the food for this "best recipe" was obtained.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 28 September 2020 08: 46
    -2
    no no ... let the brothers now be friends with their right hand ... we don't need that ... attempts have been made about friendship ... in response, silence or the search for gesheft ... and this is definitely not about friendly ...
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 28 September 2020 16: 32
      +1
      What have you written about yourself?
  • sleeve
    sleeve 28 September 2020 08: 49
    +3
    Here. Now that's the only way. The principle of "opposition" assumes only black and white. That is, one cannot simply maintain and develop relations for the general benefit. This will definitely "lead to ...". And then, depending on the bias of "analytics", either negative or positive. Moreover, the fact that the inclusion of both is inevitable and a sign of "equal balance" in normal relations is already directly and is not taken into account at all. But these statements are empty. It's on the surface. Perhaps there are only two ways: to engage in fuss on their rules, dividing and separating, or to adhere to the current type of policy of a "cold head" and a low threshold of "pride", denying the historical cultural superiority over the political potential of the "civilized". And in that and in that case the same positive and negative and almost 50 to 50.
  • Snusmumrik
    Snusmumrik 28 September 2020 08: 50
    +2
    Let "Alyosha" be restored then and we'll talk ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 September 2020 09: 06
      -1
      Quote: Snusmumrik
      Let "Alyosha" be restored then and we'll talk ...


      Even if they restore there is no faith in them.
    2. alatanas
      alatanas 28 September 2020 10: 14
      +3
      https://plovdivcitycard.com/bg/place/pametnik-aliosha/
    3. pytar
      pytar 28 September 2020 15: 28
      +2
      Let "Alyosha" be restored then and we'll talk ...

      In the period 2007-2010, the foundation was strengthened, and the surface of the stone of the monument itself was repaired. The approximate cost of the repair is 250 thousand euros.

      In 2018, the public of the city of Plovdiv was presented for discussion a project for the complete reconstruction and renovation of the Bunardzhik hill, on which Alyosha is located. In our country, according to the law, public approval is required to approve the implementation of improvement projects of this level!


      The project started in 2019 and finished at the end of the year. Total cost / in rubles / 46 million. Financing was provided by the municipality of Plovdiv.


      Every year in the park in front of the monument to Alyosha, official celebrations, concerts, and other events are held, and for applicants this is a favorite place to visit.


      So let's talk ???

      The question arises - why in the Russian media, they diligently replicate those few cases of vandalism, and keep silent about the positive, which is hundreds of times more?
    4. Maksim
      Maksim 28 September 2020 16: 28
      +2
      Quote: Snusmumrik
      Let "Alyosha" be restored




      What else can you order to restore. Alyosha has already been restored.
      1. pytar
        pytar 28 September 2020 16: 55
        0
        What else can you order to restore. Alyosha has already been restored.

        Nuuu .. the pelot is somehow not so worth it ... No.
        There will always be claims! lol lol lol
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 28 September 2020 17: 59
          0
          Quote: pytar
          the pelot is not so worth it


          We have our own atmosphere!
        2. Snusmumrik
          Snusmumrik 29 September 2020 12: 11
          +2
          All Boyan! No questions! I take my words back.
          About 15-20 years ago (or so) there was talk that the monument was demolished. I was extremely annoyed.
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 29 September 2020 21: 06
            0
            Questions are regularly raised in the lead-up to elections. Then everything fades away. Everything for internal use. Comparing Alyosha's photos 10 years ago and now, the last ones win. Yes, and young people took a fancy to him - graduates will definitely rise to the monument. Otherwise, the holiday is not considered complete.
  • cniza
    cniza 28 September 2020 09: 05
    +1
    Bulgaria, located at the crossroads between East and West, will be able to take advantage of its strategically important location and become a country that is respected even by the strong, a country that is not commanded


    Dreaming is not forbidden to anyone, and it is not harmful ...
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 28 September 2020 09: 07
    0
    What do you want? What is the share of Russia in trade with Bulgaria?
    So that's right. You need to be friends with everyone. At least try.
    Money does not smell.
    Already, how the media around Ukraine, and supplies of Aluminum and Titanium (supposedly) quietly, without unnecessary publicity, were in 2020 ...
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 28 September 2020 09: 12
    +1
    Sofia needs to maintain good relations with Moscow
    Bulgaria in the EU and NATO - what are the equal-friendly relations with Moscow and the West?
    resist external pressure to make Bulgaria a springboard for Russian threats
    South Stream has shown everything about not giving in to external pressure, but it's funny to talk about a bridgehead when you are a member of an anti-Russian military alliance. In general, you can want, you can have a common mentality, you can have a local population sympathetic to Russia - but in fact the country is taking an anti-Russian course and nothing will change from the change of the ruling elite and from the creation of another party - after a shout from Washington and Brussels, everyone will stand on their hind legs at attention.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 28 September 2020 09: 25
    +1
    no one will allow them to be friends with Russia, once they climbed into the EU and NATO. maybe just once or twice at the European general votes in favor / not to the detriment of Russia
  • Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 28 September 2020 09: 26
    +1
    The question is not "Russophilia". The question is that in the modern world, either you are a US colony or you negotiate with Russia. Exactly you negotiate. And it is too late for Bulgarians to drink coffee and Borjomi, the country of Bulgaria is a US colony
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 28 September 2020 16: 45
      0
      And what was Bulgaria from 1945 to 1989?
      1. Ivan Tixiy
        Ivan Tixiy 28 September 2020 17: 00
        +2
        You have a wrong idea about relations in the CMEA countries of the so-called. socialist camp. Already at least entering the CMEA Bulgaria had many more degrees of freedom. For example, how Poland could condemn the introduction of Soviet troops into Afghanistan and could conclude economic agreements without looking back at the USSR, it’s so offhand .. Itself determined what to sow in the fields, what energy to develop. Now the EU defines all these issues and in an ultimatum form. And there is no need to speak for politics. I visit Bulgaria quite often, there is nothing to compare, then, in comparison with the current state, there was prosperity.
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 28 September 2020 18: 10
          0
          In principle, I remember well the times of SEV and I can assure you that “freedom in the economy” was relative. Until 1990, there was a so-called. "Planned economy", and once you plan ahead not too much and simprovise.
          Regarding the entry of troops into Afghanistan - well, during the NATO era, Greece refused to let American planes (officially), but let the troops in 1999 and condemned the bombing of Yugoslavia. Bulgaria refused NATO to create a common flotilla at the World Cup and a Command Center on it. And there are more examples.
          And prosperity is derived from the amount of dough circulating in a certain area. Bulgaria has never surpassed the countries of Central Europe in terms of GDP in its history. And of course we lived poorer. But although some here scold us, in Bulgaria they have always known that only by their own work they can rise. We have no gold reserves, no gold, no oil and gas. So that.
          1. Ivan Tixiy
            Ivan Tixiy 29 September 2020 11: 20
            0
            And who is your doctor that you have "no gold reserves, no gold, no oil and gas"? You yourself have given up such opportunities from both gold and cheap oil and gas. And what about Bulgaria's sabotage of Russia's profitable projects? Nothing changes ... When Europe and the United States promised mountains of gold to your country, you forgot everything, some do not want to remember even now. But Russia was taught to live in a new way, God forbid that it would continue. Now all by themselves .... There are practically no Bulgarians left in Bulgaria, so something similar to life is glimmering along the coast of the sea or in old cities with tourist fame and then ... just glimmering. You, like Ukraine, have abandoned industry and agriculture to please the EU officials, who are just US puppets. Again, who is your doctor? If this was the first time since the Russian army won your freedom. Now some people in Bulgaria say that life was better under the Turks. And as for the fact that "in Bulgaria they always knew that only by their own labor one can rise", so everywhere normal people know all over the world. Nobody came up with anything new here ... the same formula for everyone.
            1. Maksim
              Maksim 29 September 2020 21: 12
              0
              Quote: Ivan Tixiy
              Nobody came up with anything new here ... the same formula for everyone.

              Well ... just don't tell the Arabs that you have to work hard.

              Quote: Ivan Tixiy
              Do you doctor that you have "no gold reserves, no gold, no oil and gas"?

              It so happened - we have neither mountains of diamonds, nor gold, nor oil and gas. Lucky for you, we are not.

              Quote: Ivan Tixiy
              When Europe and the United States promised mountains of gold to your country, you forgot everything,


              Yah. Do you know when the emigration from Bulgaria to Europe jumped over the emigration to the USA? And for now, too, they are looking at the United States. So who is promised that another question.
              1. Ivan Tixiy
                Ivan Tixiy 30 September 2020 10: 41
                -1
                All this is your purely Bulgarian problem. You have chosen your side for the third time in world history (the first world, the second world, and the 90s). As the saying goes, the flag is in your hands and the electric train is to meet you. The wine in everything is purely Bulgarian only. I just hope and pray to God that Russia again does not step on the rake of Pan-Slavism and again does not begin to raise various "brothers" economically, receiving in return black ingratitude. Note the sympathy of individual citizens of Bulgaria, Serbia, etc. etc., just the exception that confirms the rule
        2. pytar
          pytar 28 September 2020 20: 41
          -2
          Damn, what a fairy tale !!!! belay Ivan, I have lived half my life with the social, I have not seen anything like that! What freedom are you writing about ?! They won't drive me there again !!! I assure you! yes
          So I also often visit Russia, I will not say that it is flourishing, but against its background, even Bulgaria, which does not have any natural resources, looks better!
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 29 September 2020 00: 35
            0
            So we have a smaller apartment. And accordingly requires less resources. If a third of the people live in Sofia, then it is really necessary to raid one city. If you add Plovdiv to it, Vrna Burgas and Stara Zagora - that's all. 1/3 of the population in 4 cities.
            In reality, the population of the country is less than a couple of residential areas of the middle hand of the metropolis.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 28 September 2020 09: 26
    0
    Either the money ran out, or they are afraid to fall under the Ottoman Empire again.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 28 September 2020 16: 31
      +1
      Whether it will be, or not.
  • Andrea
    Andrea 28 September 2020 09: 36
    0
    In fact, these guys are unique, passionate love for Russia does not prevent us from betraying it at any opportunity, even in World Wars 1 and 2, even in the economy, South Stream.
  • 1536
    1536 28 September 2020 10: 00
    -1
    "Don't teach me how to live, better help me financially!" This well-known phrase of a no less famous literary character can describe the "politics" of many countries, including Bulgaria.
    Bulgaria has some difficulties with the American company Westinghouse. There is no money for the construction of a new NPP power unit in Kozloduy, in short. Americans, unlike us, do not suffer from sentimentality and live according to the principle "Money forward!" For our part, we are in no hurry to modernize the MiG-29 of the Bulgarian Air Force, which they ordered. Yes, besides, everyone is in debt and sanctions. The Turks, if anything, will repeat what the Bulgarians fear the most. Or are they no longer afraid? .. Therefore, it is better for Bulgarians not to create any parties, but to reconsider all their relations with Russia and engage in real their improvement with the prospect of creating an economic, if not a union, then certainly unions in many industries.
    But this will not happen, since Bulgaria is an EU country and is no longer actually free in its choice. So the Bulgarians have to say goodbye! And with money, you can even go to Bulgaria to relax, even to the Caribbean islands.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 28 September 2020 12: 05
      +1
      Hello namesake,

      Let's answer you, because they wrote the wrong ...

      Bulgaria has some difficulties with the American company Westinghouse.


      There are no difficulties. AES Belene will be built (if at all) by a consortium of Rosatom, GE Electric Steam Power and Framatom SAS.

      Americans, unlike us, do not suffer from sentimentality and live according to the principle "Money forward!"


      Yes, you are going to build an AES with us in an embrace with the Americans. Obviously Rosatom multi-vector such, but you sort it out at home ... laughing
      I have a link to the Rosatom website in proofs - https://rosatom.ru/journalist/news/rosatom-podpisal-memorandumy-o-vzaimoponimanii-po-proektu-aes-belene-bolgariya-s-framatome-sas-i-ge - /

      For our part, we are in no hurry to modernize the MiG-29 of the Bulgarian Air Force, which they ordered.


      Well, how to say, it's not you. I suppose that RSK MIG's hands are growing from the wrong place and everything is there. The Belarusians did it on time and will receive more orders from us. And so if our Migi stop flying, American F16s will fly until our F16s are delivered - do you want this? I don't think ...

      So the Bulgarians have to say goodbye!

      with the prospect of creating an economic, if not a union, then certainly an association in many industries.


      What, you didn't say goodbye 30 years ago? They destroyed SEB and the Warsaw Pact and dumped home capitalism and building yachts ...

      We have already been integrated with you. And because there was no time to wait for you for a new integration - so we integrated into the EU. Our export to Russia is 1% or so. Economically, you are not interesting to us, but there is no need to quarrel with you. Everything is pragmatic and normal.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 28 September 2020 13: 37
    +1
    Bulgaria, located at the crossroads between East and West, will benefit from its strategically important location
    This is what all the losers say - integration into the EU camp! They expected manna from heaven, and they take away the spoon.
    1. pytar
      pytar 28 September 2020 16: 37
      -1
      This is what all the losers say - integration into the EU camp! They expected manna from heaven, and they take away the spoon.

      This is what all the losers say, those who want to look, well, at least somewhat better ... lol You better organize your country, but then look beyond the store that others have!
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 28 September 2020 13: 52
    0
    Something, somewhere, I've already heard. And more recently. One multi-vector president, slightly undermined his seat, from the desire to please everyone. Now he is unraveling his multi-vector approach.
  • Maksim
    Maksim 28 September 2020 16: 30
    0
    Quote: Victorio
    no one will allow them to be friends with Russia, once they climbed into the EU and NATO.


    So we didn’t go anywhere for 14 years. Over those years, what exactly did Russia offer, besides the collapse of the OVD and SZV?
  • Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 30 September 2020 09: 38
    +1
    Russophilia, Germanophilia or Anglophilia will not help the small Balkan countries, only problems will arise from this. We must love our country, strengthen our relationship with our Balkan neighbors, and we will be happy.
    1. pytar
      pytar 30 September 2020 11: 24
      0
      Very correct proposal! good It is better to live with neighbors in friendship and mutual assistance than to rely on "great powers"! From inter-Balkan showdowns, external players have always benefited! Our Balkan leaders should get together and shake hands, and not allow any great imperials even close to the Balkans! Region one of the most beautiful in the world! All peoples are living here, they are much closer to each other in mentality than from others who climb up to us! good
      1. Pavlos Melas
        Pavlos Melas 30 September 2020 11: 58
        +1
        It is absolutely true that we are all approximately equal in terms of population and area of ​​states, no one will have the desire to be an older brother. They have already wounded their faces in civil strife, the boundaries have already been established, all the prerequisites are there. The main thing is a common enemy.
        1. pytar
          pytar 30 September 2020 15: 51
          +1
          I hope we are all smart enough not to repeat that same terrible tragedy in our Balkan history!
          If not:

          ... will be like this:

          A ferocious, hungry beast lurks on our borders! We know ego bloody mouth! And only together we can break his face! He is most afraid of this!
          1. Pavlos Melas
            Pavlos Melas 30 September 2020 19: 52
            +1
            Afraid or not afraid of our association, but does everything to make it happen. There is no need to disappoint him.