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First day of fighting in Karabakh: both sides of the conflict posted footage of clashes

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The new aggravation of the Karabakh conflict is accompanied by the demonstration by both sides of a number of photo and video materials. Let's try to accumulate them in this publication to try to reflect the nature and scale of the collisions.


Karabakh resources have published several videos, which depict the defeat of various armored vehicles of the Azerbaijani army: tanks T-72, BMP-2/3 infantry fighting vehicles, BTR-82 armored personnel carriers, IMR-2 engineering clearing vehicles.







Apparently, the greatest losses at the moment Azerbaijani troops have suffered during the battle among the hills. As can be assumed, after the fall of the Mi-8 helicopter, a convoy of armored vehicles was sent for the rescue operation. Apparently, she was ambushed and destroyed.

Baku publishes a number of videos taken from drones, which indicates their widespread use among the troops. One of them demonstrates the defeat of the enemy's "entrenched" armored vehicles, apparently by ATGM fire: the trail of an anti-tank missile is visible.



It is argued that the Armenian troops could not withstand the offensive onslaught and left their positions, leaving their combat vehicles on the battlefield.



Another UAV video captured the destruction of an ammunition depot in infrared. The strike was allegedly launched from a Bayraktar TB2 drone. UAV data have recently been actively purchased in Turkey.



From the side of Baku, it is declared about effective work on the enemy's anti-aircraft missile systems. Despite entrenching and camouflaging, they become an easy target, being "exposed" by drones. The work of the UAV Bayraktar TB2 on the Osa-AKM air defense system was caught on video.



According to Yerevan, air defense is successfully fighting enemy drones. One of them was allegedly shot down in the Stepanakert area.



However, caution should be exercised when examining losses. According to a number of experts, both sides present the same frames with damaged equipment for their success. The situation with the downed Mi-8 is not completely clear. Although Baku admitted the loss of the rotorcraft, in a number of photos published by Armenian resources, according to some observers, the landing gear of the An-2 aircraft is distinguishable.

In general, the situation may be complicated due to the attraction of more powerful weapons. Thus, it is reported that the Armenian side has deployed the Smerch MLRS into the combat zone.
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  1. hrych
    hrych 28 September 2020 05: 51
    80
    The damaged and abandoned equipment with bodies was shown by the Armenian side. The battlefield is behind them. There is nothing to show to Azerbaijan, except for the damaged single, stationary equipment from drones and apparently in the first hours of the operation. Also, the Armenians showed a blow to the columns and the accumulation of advancing equipment. The resources of the Armenians are more objective, they published a list of losses. The opposite side is only victorious reports and no evidence. View from the outside.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 28 September 2020 06: 00
      20
      And all under the heading of one channel, and the Armenians posted real footage from different sources. It will be hard for them to fight with the locals without aviation.
      1. hrych
        hrych 28 September 2020 06: 06
        27
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        It will be hard for them to fight with the locals without aviation.

        If the UAVs really suffered such losses, then the combat aviation will not be at risk. And it is clear that the first blow is the hardest for defense. But if the attackers have lost the initiative, then their business is rubbish.
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 28 September 2020 06: 36
          84
          Have you noticed how dramatically the tone of the Armenian media has changed? Even in the spring they are about their own * independence *, * invincibility * and so on. Simonyan tried to reason with the militancy of the Armenians, so not only in Armenia itself, but today it is already about * brotherhood ... * and so on. They even remembered the CSTO. Soon they will demand that the RUSSIANS fight both for Armenia itself and for Karabakh for the Armenians. At the same time, there will certainly be claims that not everyone in RUSSIA dreams of dying for * great Armenia *, for giving little of this or that. At the same time, as today they will press on * independence * and * greatness * and, however, as well as today, they will be unhappy with the fact that they are still not being taken for maintenance.
          Not for Armenians.
          It is worth asking how the Armenian formations, during WWI, * helped * the RUSSIAN IMPERIAL ARMY. And it is also worth reading about the * Dashnaks * ruling in Armenia, about how * non-Armenians * were cut out. It is worth refreshing in memory about the * nineties * of the last century, as only Armenians remained in Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. Where did the neighbors go?
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 28 September 2020 07: 31
            28
            Quote: Vasily50
            It is worth refreshing in memory about the * nineties * of the last century, as only Armenians remained in Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. Where did the neighbors go?

            Yes, to the same place where the Russians were during the Baku pogroms of 1990. Nationalism is so cool for the "titular" nations (substitute any). And here again is a natural result, as an alternative to "soviet" internationalism with division into territorial "komorks".
            1. sailor roman
              sailor roman 28 September 2020 10: 47
              12
              The creation of a state called Azerbaijan in the territories of historical Arran, Shirvan and Northern Talysh (Talish-Mugani) took place on a Turkish initiative in 1918. The Ottoman Empire hoped to annex the adjacent Persian province to the new republic - a real historical and geographical Azerbaijan. Lieutenant-General Anton Ivanovich Denikin in "Sketches of Russian Troubles", who fought against the Bolsheviks on the southern front, wrote: "Everything in the Republic of Azerbaijan was artificial," fake ", starting with the name taken mutually from one of the provinces of Persia. An artificial territory that embraced the Lezghin Zakataly, the Armenian-Tatar Baku and Elisavetpol (Ganja) provinces and the Russian Mugan and united by Turkish politics as an outpost of Pan-Turkism in the Caucasus. Artificial statehood. Finally, the Azerbaijani government also held on artificially: initially - by the will of Nuri Pasha, then General Thomson, and later - simply by inertia. "
              Source: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2974541.html
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 September 2020 19: 08
                -9
                very interesting, but what does this excursion have to do with the realities of the 21st century?
                1. SSR
                  SSR 28 September 2020 22: 21
                  +3
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  very interesting, but what does this excursion have to do with the realities of the 21st century?

                  Realities? Is this a mockery? Look at the rags of Africa and the BV and the wars there, why are the tribes dividing the land, who wrote the land to the Jews? Very interesting.
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 07: 59
                    -6
                    Quote: SSR
                    Realities? Is this a mockery?

                    not at all. What is the point of your flashback in the context of current events?
                    Quote: SSR
                    Look at the rags of Africa and BV

                    What has Africa got to do with it? And how do you see the administration in the era of colonization? Draw borders with a finger dipped in port, like Nelson at Trafalgar?
                    Quote: SSR
                    Jews who wrote off the land?

                    if you believe some of the local very gifted historians, then Comrade Stalin laughing
              2. SSR
                SSR 28 September 2020 22: 24
                +1
                Isn't it a camp that is not typical for "Kazakhs" and Kirghiz? And the names are Kazakh and Uzbek?
                In the captain's daughter, there are raids of Kyrgyz and Bashkirs and not any Kazakhs, and this is the Orienburg region.
            2. Revolver
              Revolver 28 September 2020 23: 33
              +5
              They have already carabached everyone. In America, I had to communicate with both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. Of course, the views are diametrically opposite, but they agree on one thing. Both those and others believe that it was the Karabakh conflict that destroyed the Union. IMHO they somewhat exaggerate the importance and significance of Karabakh, but Karabakh was a factor, although not the main one, but also important.
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 September 2020 08: 04
                +3
                Quote: Nagan
                IMHO they somewhat exaggerate the importance and significance of Karabakh, but Karabakh was a factor, although not the main one, but also important.

                undoubtedly one of the. And if you meet a Kazakh there, he, I am sure, will declare that the events in Alma-Ata in 1986. became the driver of decay.
          2. the finish
            the finish 28 September 2020 09: 05
            14
            Saudi Arabia imposes an embargo on all Turkish goods in response to Ankara's support for Azerbaijan's military operation in Nagorno-Karabakh.
          3. basmach
            basmach 28 September 2020 10: 08
            17
            There is one caveat. In the CSTO, no one (and Russia as well) will harness Nagorno-Karabakh. This is, as it were, the official position of the CSTO. It is sounded. So in Karabaz they themselves are butted.
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              3. basmach
                basmach 28 September 2020 21: 49
                11
                First, you will be rude at home in the kitchen when you teach your wife to cook cabbage soup. Secondly, Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh are different things. The CSTO has a unanimous opinion (alongside Armenia) that the agreement does not apply to Karabakh. Now, if the battles begin directly on the territory of Armenia, then the treaty will enter into force. And if there is a desire to help militarily, go ahead and knock on the keyboard with a song. Or is it smart and courageous only to show heroism on the toilet seat at home? And literacy does not interfere with improving.
                1. Alkatrass A
                  Alkatrass A 28 September 2020 22: 50
                  -5
                  Firstly, I achieved what I wanted from 93 to 95 years. Secondly .. Armenia is fighting not only with Azeris (they are not warriors, I know this better than any sofa intellectual like you) ... Turkey is also there. All my relatives are fighting there. There are prisoners. In Syria or Libya, did you think the same when you entered? Armenia is the only outpost of Russia in the Transcaucasia, do not forget about it
                  1. Mikhail3
                    Mikhail3 29 September 2020 15: 57
                    +1
                    We remember that Armenia is not any outpost. The Armenians very clearly explained this to us. Well, our base sticks out there, under the curves of displeased faces, and nothing more. Himself. Sami ...
                  2. Jager
                    Jager 29 September 2020 21: 42
                    0
                    It is interesting to remind WHO AND WHY destroyed Libya and Syria brick by brick.
                  3. sailor roman
                    sailor roman 1 October 2020 19: 03
                    0
                    I agree with your opinion.
                2. georgiigennadievitch
                  georgiigennadievitch 29 September 2020 10: 43
                  +1
                  It seems that the Turks are behind Azerbaijan's back. Erdagan's plan of the Ottoman Empire extends to the entire post-Soviet "Turkic-speaking green belt" and to Russia as well. As for the battle for Karabakh, here we can see the intention of Erdogan and NATO members to finally oust Russia from the Caucasus. the Azerbaijanis would mock Karabakh the next day after the end of the strategic exercise Kavkaz 20. Say, we wanted to spit on you ... Aliyev and Erdogan standing behind him should be shown a lesson. The Azerbaijani army that invaded Karabakh should be defeated. After that, the Azerbaijanis will excommunicate him. From power. As for the anti-Russian clique of Pashinyan, we need to help the Armenians get rid of it, otherwise we will have an unhealed wound on our Caucasian borders.
                  1. Jager
                    Jager 29 September 2020 21: 44
                    +1
                    This wound does not heal there in 30 years. Through the fault of both sides, both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
                    And to harness for the next "brothers" - the guys themselves, themselves, is enough already.
                  2. FIFA from Cardiff
                    FIFA from Cardiff 29 September 2020 23: 01
                    +1
                    First of all, you need to thoroughly screw up Erdogan, help the Kurds gain independence, crush the "Turkomans" in Syria and help Egypt and Khavtar to dispose of the Turks in Libya, and there the Greeks will also give a shit in one of the pots of the tomato sultan.
                    Well, it is quite easy to "cure" Aliyev and the Azeris to destroy all oil pipelines and gas pipelines leading from Azerbaijan and close the pipes for the Azeri liquid and gas for transit through Russia. It is possible to entrust the nukers Ramzan Akhmatovich.
                    Regarding the Caucasus 2020 exercises and the "demonstrativeness" of the Azeri attack on the Khachikians - I think it's a coincidence, I think the process was accelerated after the ban on the passage of our A-50 through the airspace of Azerbaijan, he went along a different route, but more than sure he managed to "photograph" a lot of things ( from the radar station of the picture to the radio interception) in Azerbaijan itself, I think the "successfully installed" mines in Karabakh are the result of the timely warning of Armenians by Russia.
                    Well, in Russia, it is necessary to help the Khachikians - to start crushing the Azeris from the Russian Federation with mass deportations to their homeland with the confiscation of what was mocked in the Russian Federation - let the Azeris from the Russian Federation either fall under the mobilization or knock down a certain Aliyev's nosed Pasha, whom they recently prayed for, on the Maidan.
            2. a.hamster55
              a.hamster55 28 September 2020 18: 05
              40
              MOTHERLAND MOTHER CALLS !!! All Armenians and Azerbaijanis URGENTLY leave the Russian Federation to defend their Motherland !!
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 28 September 2020 23: 41
                +2
                Quote: a.hamster55
                MOTHERLAND MOTHER CALLS !!! All Armenians and Azerbaijanis URGENTLY leave the Russian Federation to defend their Motherland !!

                Did you forget to separate the word "mother" with commas? In this particular case, it would be more appropriate: "MOTHERLAND, MOTHER, CALLING !!!" bully
          4. Russian jacket
            Russian jacket 28 September 2020 10: 44
            58
            Everything according to Dostoevsky. So far good. Russian enemies. How pressed, Russia pamagy .... When he lets go, the same Pashinyan will again swing towards the Russophobic side. No, let their self-sufficiency be fed up to the dump ... Their choice.
          5. Hypertension
            Hypertension 28 September 2020 11: 45
            15
            Quote: Vasily50
            Soon they will demand that the RUSSIANS fight both for Armenia itself and for Karabakh for the Armenians. At the same time, there will certainly be claims that not everyone in RUSSIA dreams of dying for * great Armenia *, for giving little of this or that.

            In no case should the Russians be allowed to fight for Armenia. By yourself, by yourself ...
            As if in Russian cities Armenians and Azerbaijanis did not begin to thresh. Will hook civilians. The police and the National Guard should be ready to come on this topic.
          6. Gunter prereen
            Gunter prereen 28 September 2020 16: 05
            61
            Russia can really help the parties to the conflict. Armenia-Armenians! Azerbaijan - Azerbaijanis!
            1. Shtroffrus
              Shtroffrus 28 September 2020 17: 34
              +7
              Golden words!
            2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 September 2020 19: 10
              +7
              Quote: Gunter Preen
              Armenia-Armenians! Azerbaijan - Azerbaijanis!

              the main thing is not to confuse.
              Although....
            3. Oprichnik
              Oprichnik 29 September 2020 02: 33
              +2
              Perfectly said Gunter !!!
            4. EvilLion
              EvilLion 29 September 2020 08: 37
              0
              And to sell tanks to both sides with 200% wrap.
              1. Leeder
                Leeder 29 September 2020 12: 02
                +1
                Azerbaijan has money, there is nothing to take from Armenia. But Armenia is really an outpost of Russia against Turkey. So think what is better.
                And the weapon ... we will not sell, the s, Jews, Chinese, but you never know who will fit in.
                It is better to limit the whole thing, as if it did not reach a very heavy weapon or weapons of mass destruction. Fanatics then do not care at all. They will break up to a vigorous loaf and "zhahnut". But here the war will go to extermination. Either they will rejoice at the war near our borders ...
            5. lukewarm
              lukewarm 29 September 2020 10: 57
              0
              good laughing +100500. Do they know about it? They are all as on the selection of CITIZENS of the Russian Federation. How do you send it?
            6. Jager
              Jager 29 September 2020 21: 47
              0
              Enough for a couple of years of war, even if you send all the "help" from Moscow, just have time to import and observe popcorn.
          7. Oprichnik
            Oprichnik 29 September 2020 02: 28
            0
            Who managed and managed to escape - in Azerbaijan, who did not have time - in the ground!
          8. samslipetsk
            samslipetsk 29 September 2020 09: 11
            +7
            I've been surfing the forums on the topic of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. I will say this: Claims towards Russia are heard from both sides. Very often, Russia is called a derogatory word and is written with a small letter. Armenians and Azerbaijanis bite each other, while they do not forget to bite Russia.
            As for me, they all went to the devil. Let them figure it out themselves. We gained independence long ago, and Russia is all to blame. At the same time, their numerous diasporas, in our country, feel very at ease.
            I may also not like that we are not doing anything good for the indigenous population, so this is not a question for Russia and its people, but for the ruling elite. And I don't blame Armenia and Azerbaijan for this. And the Russian people, together with other indigenous peoples of Russia, owes something to everyone, and they are also accused of meanness and all mortal sins. It's funny.
            And our military base should be withdrawn from Armenia. It no longer has any strategic significance.
          9. lukewarm
            lukewarm 29 September 2020 10: 54
            +2
            The essence in all colors manifested itself during the earthquake of 88. There is the plunder of humanitarian aid and the trade in it. V. Shurygin has an excellent article describing all this. Why am I? Their brotherhood is when they are baked. Simple manipulation. I think we understand this. But refuse them - instead of a shitty friend, you will get an excellent enemy. Here we go.
          10. Saint
            Saint 29 September 2020 20: 46
            +1
            Quote: Vasily50
            At the same time, there will certainly be claims that not everyone in RUSSIA dreams of dying for * great Armenia *, for giving little of this or that.

            There are many Armenians in Russia, so send them from Russia within the framework of the CSTO to defend Armenia. And Azerbaijan can be helped in this way. We have too much good from one side and the other.
      2. Cowbra
        Cowbra 28 September 2020 06: 21
        +6
        Yes, the dog knows him, the terrain there is such that the question of who is easier to puzzle - a tank column, a tank right next to it from observation devices - can also be puzzled even from a vintar. Well, and that aviation is not a panacea either - it was proved in Donbass, and it was proved
        1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 28 September 2020 06: 55
          12
          Quote: Cowbra
          Yes, the dog knows him, the terrain there is such that the question of who is easier to puzzle - a tank column, a tank right next to it from observation devices - can also be puzzled even from a vintar. Well, and that aviation is not a panacea either - it was proved in Donbass, and it was proved

          In the Donbass, aviation was almost immediately "landed"!
          1. 113262a
            113262a 28 September 2020 08: 21
            22
            Oh, not right away! Aviation managed to spoil our blood!
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 28 September 2020 08: 38
              11
              Well, yes, yes) But on the other hand, when the Crocodile was landed in Slavyansk from the Bassoon, everyone began to fly around in an arc)
              However, what really happened on the outskirts is not always clear. For example, when clowns on MI-8 try to fly in line of sight, firing off heat traps - to set fire to the field. August. the field under them is already dry. They finished badly, of course. KPVT is not a joke - goodbye, Mishutka
      3. the finish
        the finish 28 September 2020 09: 05
        +5
        According to the information of the Armenian side, the Azerbaijani General Mais Barkhudarov was captured by the Defense Army of the unrecognized NKR.

        Mais Shukur oglu Barkhudarov (Azerb. Mais Şükür oğlu Bərxudarov) is an Azerbaijani soldier, Major General of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Azerbaijan, a participant in hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh in early April 2016.
        Biography
        Mais Barkhudarov was born in the city of Kubatly, Azerbaijan SSR. From childhood he was fond of wrestling. He was a student of the fighter Aliyar Aliyev, who later participated in the Karabakh war and became the National Hero of Azerbaijan (posthumously). The events unfolding in those years in Karabakh brought Barkhudarov to the Military Lyceum named after Jamshid Nakhichevan [1].
        The influence on Barkhudarov during his studies at the Lyceum was exerted by the head of the Lyceum, the former Minister of Defense of the country, Lieutenant General Valekh Barshadli (English) Russian. In 1993, together with a group of cadets, Barkhudarov decided to voluntarily go to the front. Upon learning of this, Barshadli called the cadets to him and dissuaded them from this step, persuading them to continue their studies [1].
        In 1998, senior lieutenant Mais Barkhudarov was awarded the Order of the Azerbaijani Banner [2]. President of the country Heydar Aliyev presented the award to Barkhudarov personally. In 2012, Colonel Mais Barkhudarov was awarded the medal "For the Fatherland" for his special service in preserving the independence and territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, for the difference in the performance of his official duty and the tasks assigned to the military unit [3] [4].
      4. orionvitt
        orionvitt 28 September 2020 14: 35
        +2
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        It will be hard for them to fight with the locals without aviation.

        The use of aviation is controversial. there are those republics, "one hundred" kilometers in both directions. You will not have time to take off, as above the front line. There is not enough room for maneuver.
        1. Oprichnik
          Oprichnik 29 September 2020 02: 38
          0
          At the very beginning of the Karabakh conflict, the Russian pilot has successfully covered targets in Karabakh with a MiG-25B XNUMX aircraft. Even the Armenian headquarters was sprayed. so skillfully - you can
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 29 September 2020 08: 39
            0
            With the MiG-25, bombs are thrown at targets such as "plant", etc. Skillfully or not, it will not help much.
            1. Jager
              Jager 29 September 2020 21: 55
              0
              So five hundred + -100 meters is not a deviation, it will blow it to pieces.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 28 September 2020 08: 51
      +7
      Quote: hrych
      Also, the Armenians showed a blow to the columns and the accumulation of advancing equipment. The resources of the Armenians are more objective, they published a list of losses. The opposite side is only victorious reports and no evidence. View from the outside.

      Armenian evidence is also somewhat strange: even babays from Syria show missile launches and missile tracer before hitting the target. There are a couple of videos with a burning IMR-2, a tank blowing up on a mine, and all this is designated as an ATGM hit.
      1. hrych
        hrych 28 September 2020 10: 22
        +9
        Quote: APASUS
        , undermining a tank on a mine

        I noticed that too. But unlike the Kurds, who are filming single operations, and so on. Combined-arms operations are taking place here. The distance of the battle of artillery, and not even of manual means.
    3. the finish
      the finish 28 September 2020 10: 16
      +2
      Lists of Syrian mercenaries killed in battles who arrived in Azerbaijan appeared on Turkish-speaking social networks
      The Human Rights Organization -Afrin has published a number of names and names of units participating in the hostilities against the Armenian Defense Army in Artsakh. According to this organization, about 80 militants were killed.
      Syrian militants entered Azerbaijan through Turkey, below is a list of casualties.

      1- Al-Sharqiya Army lost 19 fighters.
      2- Al-Hamzat Division, 4 action films.
      3- Division 51 lost 9 fighters
      4- Jaish alNukhba lost 11 fighters
      5- The Levant Front lost. 22 action films
      6- Al-Furqan Brigade lost 32 action movie
      7- Al-Mu'tasim Division, lost 6 fighters.
      1. krillon
        krillon 28 September 2020 22: 11
        +3
        On the telegram channel "Militarist" they posted photos of these children of the jihad, in the amount of 300 souls. Minus 80, but quickly went to the gurias, at such a pace they will have to import new ones.
        1. Jager
          Jager 29 September 2020 21: 57
          0
          I am a humanist, but this information is good news.
    4. iouris
      iouris 28 September 2020 12: 09
      -4
      I recommend refraining from supporting one of the parties until the third force (along with the fourth) has entered into action.
      1. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 28 September 2020 21: 08
        +8
        And who is there to support? That some that the second are not very ally ...
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  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 28 September 2020 05: 52
    +2
    Thanks for the selection. We will follow and try to count.
  3. t00r
    t00r 28 September 2020 05: 58
    +3

    From the side of Baku, it is declared about effective work on the enemy's anti-aircraft missile systems. Despite entrenching and camouflaging, they become an easy target, being "exposed" by drones. The work of the UAV Bayraktar TB2 on the Osa-AKM air defense system was caught on video.

    and not surprised, given the power of the SOC, its ELINT detection is not a problem and even in the front-line zone. If, of course, the drone operator himself does not make mistakes, then the OS simply has no chance ...

    military-publishing textbook on the OSA air defense system of the Ministry of Defense of the SSR 1991
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/ebooks/Osa(1991).djvu



    the range of the controlled missiles allows you to cover targets at a distance of up to 8 km without entering the effective engagement zone, and even this is a very conventional concept, especially if electronic warfare is used.

    the actual capabilities of the camera on TB2.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE4y3PArOmw&feature=youtu.be
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 September 2020 06: 00
    12
    Just like in the song: "Hands, heads over bumps .... Well, who needs all this" (Rasteryaev)
    No matter how many more people they throw into the furnace of war, there will be no peace. request
  5. Sergey Ui
    Sergey Ui 28 September 2020 06: 04
    +1
    How did the night go there? Calm down or on the rise?
    1. slavaseven
      slavaseven 28 September 2020 06: 27
      +1
      Well, it seems like Azerbaijanis with MLRS fired on the territory of Karabakh. We are waiting for details
  6. Far B
    Far B 28 September 2020 06: 08
    47
    But this blood is on the conscience of the Tagged One. If at one time there had been enough will to stifle the germs of separatism in the republics in the bud, the blood of people in the post-Soviet space would not have shed for 30 years. However, where does his conscience come from? sits in Germany and is sincerely surprised - why is it that they hate him in the former USSR?
    P.S. Regardless of the correctness / crookedness of each side of the current conflict.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 28 September 2020 06: 41
      +7
      Alas, this mine was laid earlier, the marked one could not have done anything, it is clear that he aggravated it even more, but it all started much earlier
      1. Far B
        Far B 28 September 2020 06: 57
        24
        this mine was laid earlier
        Exactly this the mine existed for a thousand and a half years. But neither in the days of the Republic of Ingushetia, nor in the days of the USSR (before the Marked One), it did not break, although at the helm of the country there were all sorts - and the weak ones as well. So it is Raikin's husband who is responsible, whatever one may say.
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 28 September 2020 10: 41
        +1
        Previously, yes, only this vile did not try.
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 29 September 2020 00: 12
        -2
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        Alas, this mine was laid earlier

        This mine was laid by Lenin, so adored by many on this site. At one time, he arranged a harassment for Stalin (at that time People's Commissar for National Affairs) and insisted on a union structure of the state. But Stalin proposed to limit ourselves to national and cultural autonomy in a centralized unitary state. Unfortunately, at that time, Stalin did not have enough strength to go against Lenin, and by the time Stalin gained power, the union structure was already a fait accompli.
        1. Jager
          Jager 29 September 2020 22: 05
          0
          Tanks, blood and no rewards? It's Lenin's fault!
          Yes, Ilyich overstrained the USSR to collect pieces, from which he died after so many years of tension and attempts.
          Stalin, if necessary, easily founded the Jewish Autonomous Region on the territory of Armenia and Azerbaijan, and the Armenians and Azerbaijanis would now be the indigenous people of the North.
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 28 September 2020 10: 05
      +6
      Quote: Dalny V
      But this blood is on the conscience of the Tagged One. If at one time there had been enough will to stifle the germs of separatism in the republics in the bud, the blood of people in the post-Soviet space would not have shed for 30 years.

      Volfovich said the same thing last night at Solovyov's, carried Humpbacked to all the crusts, only he did not demanded to be shot live, but that was how it was.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 29 September 2020 00: 14
        +1
        Quote: Captain45
        Volfovich ... carried Humpbacked to all the crusts, only he did not demand to be shot on the air

        Shooting? Would have gotten off too easy. For those lives that were lost or broken during the collapse of the USSR, it is not enough to put on a stake.
      2. Jager
        Jager 29 September 2020 22: 09
        0
        It's easy to be a clown, work out the requests of a part of the electorate, don't go where they don't ask, and a warm place at the trough and after retirement is provided.
    3. Awaz
      Awaz 28 September 2020 19: 13
      +1
      here we need to look deeper .. Initially, the problems between Armenians and Muslims come from the Turks, that is, from the Turkish Empire. Nevertheless, the Armenians are Armenians - a people with an ancient history and all that (whatever they are) and the inhabitants of the present territory of Azerbaijan are a whole coalition of different peoples, sometimes not very related. Of course, Turkish influence has a strong effect and therefore the Armenians are not very much to their neighbors. But in general, both sides are to blame for the current history, and of course those who are fueling this conflict from outside.
      1. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 29 September 2020 02: 49
        +3
        In the 1890s, topographers of the General Staff of the Russian army conducted two expeditions on mapping and military-applied description of the Karabakh region. The population was also studied. So they found ONLY 60 Armenian families in Karabakh !!! The situation looks similar to Kosovo, when alien Albanians settled in Kosovo out of the kindness and lack of foresight of the Serbs and drove out the indigenous Serbs. There are several more such situations in the world. This shows that no aliens should be allowed on their PRIMORDIAL LANDS. Otherwise, over time, a similar situation will arise, which will have to be resolved through blood.
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 September 2020 06: 29
    -5
    It is bad that people are at war. Somewhere the UN Security Council is making a blunder over the wars of small countries. They need to be punished with an arms embargo on these countries. If Turkey and Russia do not calm down these two countries, then there is nothing to think about a peaceful existence.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 28 September 2020 07: 31
      +1
      And how will the UN do it? Russia is actively supplying weapons to both countries, and will simply veto the embargo
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 28 September 2020 08: 30
        +2
        Today. History has shown that all the big wars arose from conflicts of small states. And after that the states who stood behind them got involved. The world today is unreliable. To prohibit not only the import of weapons, but also spare parts for them. Russia and Turkey could do it, but there would be will.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 September 2020 21: 17
          +3
          Quote: nikvic46
          Today. History has shown

          she didn't show shit today. The same as yesterday.
    2. syndicalist
      syndicalist 28 September 2020 07: 49
      +4
      Quote: nikvic46
      If Turkey and Russia do not calm these two countries

      The Turkish army is now in Azerbaijan and, in fact, is fighting on its side. The Russian army is a little more complicated. She is also in Armenia, but is unlikely to support the Armenians until the issues related to the arrest of corrupt officials and their assets during the Armenian revolution, who had close ties with Kremlin businessmen, are resolved. The Armenians have nowhere to go, and I believe that one of these days Pashinyan will resolve these issues.
      1. the finish
        the finish 28 September 2020 08: 55
        +8
        The WarGonzo portal of journalist Semyon Pegov reports on the impending transfer of Turkish special forces to the combat zone in Nagorno-Karabakh after the choking advance of Azerbaijani Armed Forces units.
        Earlier, the journalist also reported on the presence of regular units of the Turkish Armed Forces on the territory of Azerbaijan, which did not leave the region after the recent exercises.
        Note that the President of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic announced yesterday about the participation in the battles of Turkish military and military equipment and F16 /
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 28 September 2020 10: 07
          +5
          Quote: finish
          The WarGonzo portal of journalist Semyon Pegov reports on the impending transfer of Turkish special forces to the combat zone in Nagorno-Karabakh after the choking advance of Azerbaijani Armed Forces units.
          Earlier, the journalist also reported on the presence of regular units of the Turkish Armed Forces on the territory of Azerbaijan, which did not leave the region after the recent exercises.
          Note that the President of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic announced yesterday about the participation in the battles of Turkish military and military equipment and F16 /

          In addition, there were statements that Syrian proxies supervised by the Turks appeared on the side of Azerbaijan.
          1. the finish
            the finish 28 September 2020 10: 18
            +1
            Lists of Syrian mercenaries killed in battles who arrived in Azerbaijan appeared on Turkish-speaking social networks
            The Human Rights Organization -Afrin has published a number of names and names of units participating in the hostilities against the Armenian Defense Army in Artsakh. According to this organization, about 80 militants were killed.
            Syrian militants entered Azerbaijan through Turkey, below is a list of casualties.
            1- Al-Sharqiya Army lost 19 fighters.
            2- Al-Hamzat Division, 4 action films.
            3- Division 51 lost 9 fighters
            4- Jaish alNukhba lost 11 fighters
            5- The Levant Front lost. 22 action films
            6- Al-Furqan Brigade lost 32 action movie
            7- Al-Mu'tasim Division, lost 6 fighters.
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 28 September 2020 10: 26
              0
              Quote: finish
              Syrian militants entered Azerbaijan through Turkey, below is a list of casualties.
              1- Al-Sharqiya Army lost 19 fighters.
              2- Al-Hamzat Division, 4 action films.
              3- Division 51 lost 9 fighters
              4- Jaish alNukhba lost 11 fighters
              5- The Levant Front lost. 22 action films
              6- Al-Furqan Brigade lost 32 action movie
              7- Al-Mu'tasim Division, lost 6 fighters.

              Well, a hundred "spirits" were sent to the houris. That's good. Now the border guards need an eye and an eye so that the kunaks of these babays, along with tomatoes and peaches, do not come to our markets.
              1. Jager
                Jager 29 September 2020 22: 13
                0
                So they have been here for a long time ... Today he is a tomato dealer, and tomorrow ... This applies to all representatives of "our smaller brothers".
                Poor FSB officers are already sewn up ...
            2. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 28 September 2020 10: 58
              0
              Aren't you tired of chasing fakes here?
        2. saigon
          saigon 28 September 2020 18: 39
          +6
          Yes, the special forces are cool, but instead of the infantry, what will help a lot?
          Strange trends have gone around the world of specialists to throw all the mess and the question is that linear parts are not suitable for anything at all?
        3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 September 2020 21: 18
          0
          Quote: finish
          journalist Semyon Pegova

          well, if Semyon Pegov reported ...
  8. tlauicol
    tlauicol 28 September 2020 06: 29
    12
    Their border is fortified as on the Korean Peninsula straight. Technicians will burn a lot. And there won't be enough resources for trench warfare
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 28 September 2020 07: 09
      +8
      In principle, it is not clear what they are counting on in Azerbaijan?
      1. gaura
        gaura 28 September 2020 07: 28
        11
        Perhaps to help Turkey.
      2. Rage66
        Rage66 28 September 2020 09: 40
        0
        To Turkey ..
        Not?
      3. Victorio
        Victorio 28 September 2020 09: 43
        +2
        Quote: Livonetc
        In principle, it is not clear what they are counting on in Azerbaijan?

        ===
        suppose the leadership has decided to please its nationalists. with the increase in the number of losses, everything will return to the previous one. tried but failed. again a truce.
      4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 September 2020 21: 19
        0
        Quote: Livonetc
        In principle, it is not clear what they are counting on in Azerbaijan?

        and what for in Armenia?
      5. Revolver
        Revolver 29 September 2020 00: 31
        +1
        Quote: Livonetc
        In principle, it is not clear what they are counting on in Azerbaijan?

        For oil and gas. In a war of attrition, the Armenian economy will die earlier, and Azerbaijan has a stable currency income. So either the Armenians will more or less quickly inflict such damage on the Azerbaijanis that they no longer want (well, at least for a while) to fight, or the Armenians will merge due to a stupid lack of resources. And the Armenian diaspora, of course, will hold a symbolic fundraiser, but in order to sell their houses or send their sons to the war, they are not so patriots of the country from which their grandparents came, and in which they may not have been, but if they were then purely tourists.
    2. domokl
      domokl 29 September 2020 08: 55
      0
      Quote: Tlauicol
      And there won't be enough resources for trench warfare

      Compare the mob resource of Armenia and Azerbaijan, the availability of modern weapons systems and the level of economic development.
      The only factor is the ability to fight. Here Armenia looks really more serious. So, it is for the Armenians now that it is extremely important to transfer the conflict into the phase of a truce. During a long war, the resources of Armenians will disappear instantly, even without the help of the Turks
  9. nnm
    nnm 28 September 2020 06: 50
    +4
    And what was the reason for the escalation?
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 28 September 2020 06: 58
      +7
      Quote: nnm
      And what was the reason for the escalation?

      The Ayzers decided to take revenge.
    2. gaura
      gaura 28 September 2020 07: 02
      +8
      Some artillerymen fired at the positions of others. Who did it first is a rhetorical question, and in general it makes no sense
      1. Jager
        Jager 29 September 2020 22: 17
        0
        All this unhealthy badyaga basically has no meaning ...
    3. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 28 September 2020 08: 27
      17
      what was the reason for the escalation?


      Yes, such an offensive cannot be prepared in two days. A Turkish TV reporter, wearing an armor and wearing a helmet, was broadcasting from the front line for 10 minutes. after the start of the offensive. And the undersultan immediately promised all kinds of support to the Azerbaijanis (whatever they want). So the reason is the expansion of the Ottoman Empire in the Transcaucasus.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 28 September 2020 09: 34
        12
        I agree, it is quite clear that Azerbaijan came prepared. On the other hand, they did not hide this, even half a year ago they declared that they would return Karabakh, if there were no peaceful progress, then with the help of military force.
        1. the finish
          the finish 28 September 2020 10: 20
          +3
          Elite Turkish Special Forces "Commandos Brigade" is preparing to be sent to Azerbaijan⚡️
          Sources in Istanbul report that Turkey is going to use a special unit of regular troops in the operation on the Azerbaijani-Armenian front.
          Sources attribute this to the failure of the blitz-krieg of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. After the entry into hostilities of the Turkish special forces, it will be possible to consider that the war will enter a fundamentally different political stage.
          1. Scorpio05
            Scorpio05 28 September 2020 15: 50
            +4
            Did they personally whisper in your ear about "sending Turkish special forces" or did Uncle Ashot tell you a secret? Sources in Istanbul laughing A massive drain of Armenian fakes began again.
        2. the finish
          the finish 28 September 2020 10: 20
          +4
          A few days before the offensive, the Azerbaijani authorities warned their own population in the border zone not to film the movement of equipment. Various government organizations, including youth, were involved in alerting.
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 September 2020 07: 12
    -2
    How strange are the bodies in the pits and without weapons?
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 28 September 2020 07: 48
      -14 qualifying.
      Quote: tralflot1832
      How strange are the bodies in the pits and without weapons?

      It's easier to fight with civilians, they don't shoot back laughing
      1. the finish
        the finish 28 September 2020 08: 10
        17
        open your eyes wider! Where are the civilians on the video?
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 28 September 2020 11: 06
        0
        Once the general was taken prisoner, they will not stop. It remains only to present the bodies of the Syrian militants. PutinVV arrives in Sochi to meet with the President of one of the Central Asian countries. But perhaps this is only one of the reasons for his arrival. hi
  11. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 28 September 2020 07: 47
    -18 qualifying.
    Remove Kebab! Serbia Armenia strong!
    Let's help brothers!
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 28 September 2020 08: 20
      32
      Gather diaspora brothers.
      And go ahead.

      Both need a tub of cold water on their heads.
    2. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 28 September 2020 08: 52
      13
      Remove Kebab! Serbia Armenia strong!
      Let's help brothers!

      What's the problem then? ... Why did it get up? .. - Gather the lads, and forward !!! ... with your bones in the ground !!! - helper damn ...
      About the historical debt of Russia and the Russians to the long-suffering, innate
      modesty did not allow to mention?
      1. Jager
        Jager 29 September 2020 22: 21
        0
        This is an old historical meme about the removal of kebabs and Serbia strong.
    3. Captain45
      Captain45 28 September 2020 10: 10
      +7
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Remove Kebab! Serbia Armenia strong!
      Let's help brothers!

      This statement is followed by a well-known quote from the film "Brother": "Not brother, you tell me ..."
    4. Sergey Gintner
      Sergey Gintner 28 September 2020 19: 25
      0
      You there Vučić help Trump to lick better .. brothers .. Instead of talking with your tongue, go out to win your Kosovo .. and do not sign trade agreements with Albanian militants under the watchful eye of the people .. warriors ..
  12. mlad
    mlad 28 September 2020 08: 28
    +9
    On both sides there are no soft and fluffy ones, both sides are to blame for the outbreak of the conflict, and Russia should be unhinged.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 28 September 2020 09: 24
      14
      both sides are to blame for the outbreak of the conflict, and Russia is to disentangle it.


      You're right .... but this is the role of Empires, isn't it? Armenia has always been an outpost of the Republic of Ingushetia (whatever it was called) and the Turks are simply eager to be the suzerain in your garden. He called himself a great power - handle difficult situations.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 28 September 2020 14: 23
        +9
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        Turks are simply eager to be overlord in your garden.

        And the Bulgarians incite Russia against the Turks, feeling that something was wrong. Such sly ones, go crazy. Here you have an empire and a great power, and this is our role.
        I am afraid that the harsh Bulgarian sanctions will leave us without pants and without cheese, and when the Sultan gets to Bulgaria, we will not have the money to provide Bulgaria with at least some kind of assistance. request
        Basta, karapuziki
      2. Jager
        Jager 29 September 2020 22: 25
        0
        Such unhealthy movements cannot take place on the borders of the Empire in the sphere of its influence and real interests and without its knowledge.
  13. Rage66
    Rage66 28 September 2020 09: 39
    +5
    As usual with the southern peoples, in a week the belligerent sides will destroy each other's armies twice wassat
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 28 September 2020 10: 11
      +3
      Quote: Rage66
      As usual with the southern peoples, in a week the belligerent sides will destroy each other's armies twice

      If only the tomatoes at the markets did not crush each other, but what will we salt for the winter? lol
      1. Sergey Gintner
        Sergey Gintner 28 September 2020 19: 20
        0
        we salt ours ..
  14. acetophenon
    acetophenon 28 September 2020 10: 08
    0
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    He called himself a great power - handle difficult situations.

    To your advantage? Why not.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 28 September 2020 10: 22
      +2
      To your advantage? Why not.


      It goes without saying. Geopolitics....
  15. yehat2
    yehat2 28 September 2020 10: 12
    +9
    worst of all, both sides do not understand who is starting the war and who benefits from it.
    the peoples of Armenia and Azerbaijan do not need this war. Soldiers and civilians will die again for the dough of a handful of adventurers.
    1. Jager
      Jager 29 September 2020 22: 26
      0
      And once it was different? Or is it some kind of special war?
  16. sailor roman
    sailor roman 28 September 2020 10: 46
    +4
    The creation of a state called Azerbaijan in the territories of historical Arran, Shirvan and Northern Talysh (Talish-Mugani) took place on a Turkish initiative in 1918. The Ottoman Empire hoped to annex the adjacent Persian province to the new republic - a real historical and geographical Azerbaijan. Lieutenant-General Anton Ivanovich Denikin in "Sketches of Russian Troubles", who fought against the Bolsheviks on the southern front, wrote: "Everything in the Republic of Azerbaijan was artificial," fake ", starting with the name taken mutually from one of the provinces of Persia. An artificial territory that embraced the Lezghin Zakataly, the Armenian-Tatar Baku and Elisavetpol (Ganja) provinces and the Russian Mugan and united by Turkish politics as an outpost of Pan-Turkism in the Caucasus. Artificial statehood. Finally, the Azerbaijani government also held on artificially: initially - by the will of Nuri Pasha, then General Thomson, and later - simply by inertia. "
    Source: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2974541.html
    1. Scorpio05
      Scorpio05 28 September 2020 16: 00
      +2
      Ask the Lezgins themselves if they live in Zakataly?)) Lezgins live in a completely different place, namely in the Gusar, Khachmaz, Guba districts of Azerbaijan and in Baku. A number of Tsakhurs, Avars and Ingiloys live in Zakataly together with the Azerbaijani Turks. And yet, how did the small 7 Molokan villages (which appeared there in the 19th century) near Lankaran and Bilasuvar (the former Pushkin region of Azerbaijan) suddenly turn out to be "Russian Mugan" with 600 thousand Azerbaijani population around, living in 6 Mugan regions of Azerbaijan? How is it in general?))
      1. Sergey Gintner
        Sergey Gintner 28 September 2020 19: 18
        +2
        Well, this is at that time .. it is clear that everything has already changed a lot .. Once upon a time, Grozny was a Cossack fortress and Almaaty was a Verny Cossack fortress .. And Galicia was a Galician Russian principality .. Everything flows, everything changes .. even Prussia when- it was inhabited for a long time by Slavic tribes ... Like Polabia and Swabia ... You can still find traces of Slavic indigenous peoples and tribes in Germany ..
        1. Jager
          Jager 29 September 2020 22: 29
          0
          So part of Prussia came back 75 years ago))
  17. Old26
    Old26 28 September 2020 10: 51
    +3
    Quote: nikvic46
    It is bad that people are at war. Somewhere the UN Security Council is making a blunder over the wars of small countries. They need to be punished with an arms embargo on these countries. If Turkey and Russia do not calm down these two countries, then there is nothing to think about a peaceful existence.

    In addition to Turkey and Russia, there are also Chinese weapons.
    1. Gado
      Gado 28 September 2020 12: 18
      +5
      Yes, there are enough weapons from all over the world, even the Czechs have noted. SAU "Dana", MLRS "Vampire" - this is for Azerbaijan.
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 28 September 2020 14: 08
      +3
      EMNIP Azerbaijan seems to have bought Spike-NLOS from Israel. They set up some kind of polygon.
  18. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 28 September 2020 11: 17
    10
    We are looking at modern combat. And do not say that other armies are super, duper, and these are fuckers ...
    These are modern day warfare. Without any embellishment. They use drones, guided weapons, equipment, helicopters, probably somewhere in the air, artillery, multiple launch rocket launchers, and infantry. Virtually nothing has changed since 1941. Technique is faster, more powerful, Defenders in the trenches. The attackers burn like matches on the field.
    Now we add rockets on both sides. We get the same picture but there is more meat.
    We add aircraft from both sides. The meat will also start falling from the sky. There will be no normal air defense - one will crush the other from the sky (from a height). Conclusion - In the air defense of the country it is necessary to plunge the loot and not moan and not listen to anyone.
    It is pointless to add ships, they will sink the fleet within a couple of days.
    And, as always, the partisans come out.
    Output. What a nafiz, World War 3, what a global blow ... Some show-offs from all sides ...
    1. Sergey Gintner
      Sergey Gintner 28 September 2020 19: 12
      0
      What is the global blow? )) I would not want to see this, but this whole "war" of two native mountain states can be slammed by a pair of yudrenbatons .. Here is "what a global blow" ..
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 28 September 2020 21: 15
        0
        What is the global blow? )) I would not want to see this, but this whole "war" of two native mountain states can be slammed by a pair of yudrenbatons .. Here is "what a global blow" ..

        Read it right. I was talking about statements about global impact as a concept ...
      2. Jager
        Jager 29 September 2020 22: 34
        0
        Enough for these tribes and a couple of days of using ODAB-500, after which the survivors on both sides will forget the "blitzkriegs" for a long time
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 29 September 2020 00: 46
      0
      Quote: Interlocutor
      It is pointless to add ships, they will sink the fleet within a couple of days.

      What ships? Azerbaijani troughs in the Caspian puddle? Armenian pleasure boats in Lake Sevan? Also great sea powers. And they also laughed at Psaki, who offered to send AUG to the shores of Belarus to demonstrate the flag.
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 29 September 2020 13: 22
        0
        What ships? Azerbaijani troughs in the Caspian puddle? Armenian pleasure boats in Lake Sevan? Also great sea powers. And they also laughed at Psaki, who offered to send AUG to the shores of Belarus to demonstrate the flag.

        I talked about the principled approach to combat in modern conflict.
        Brain in dust or what? Read carefully.
  19. zwlad
    zwlad 28 September 2020 11: 34
    -3
    The Yankees were able to resume the conflict. A very sad fact, however.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 September 2020 12: 10
      +7
      There they were not even close - they do everything themselves.
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 28 September 2020 13: 43
        -1
        Stars and stripes protrude from any military conflict.
  20. Rage66
    Rage66 28 September 2020 12: 04
    +4
    Hot guys ...
    Only, as usual, all the forces will go to the demonstration of strength, and at the exit the mouse will be a bunch of scrap metal
  21. Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 28 September 2020 13: 37
    0
    https://www.armenianreport.com/ru/pubs/259113/
  22. pytar
    pytar 28 September 2020 13: 54
    +2
    UAVs have shown their highest efficiency more than once! Unfortunately, Armenia has a hard time with this ...
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 28 September 2020 14: 31
      0
      UAVs are highly effective mischief.
      they will eat up finances equal to a couple of panzer divisions.
      and little sense.
      1. pytar
        pytar 28 September 2020 15: 54
        +5
        UAVs are highly effective mischief. they will eat up finances equal to a couple of panzer divisions.
        and little sense.

        And in fact, this is a very effective weapon of remote exposure, in which the operator is safe, for the difference from the usual exposure! If children of pikes fly over you invisibly somewhere, you will be very restless. They see you, but you don't! In terms of cost-effectiveness ratio, robotic systems definitely win, so all developed countries are trying to develop them!
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 28 September 2020 15: 56
          +4
          a panzer division on the front line, but all of them are in tanks.
          and with these UAVs, two sit in the rear in safety and a division with a bare butt on the front line.
          choose what is best.
        2. Alien ...
          Alien ... 28 September 2020 18: 18
          -1
          It's all about yesterday... How is it today UAV business?
          1. pytar
            pytar 28 September 2020 18: 46
            +1
            We are waiting for the latest information. While the wallpaper of the parties is covered with victorious reports! And what is actually happening is not clear!
            1. Alien ...
              Alien ... 28 September 2020 19: 11
              +3
              On the contrary, everything is clear as daylight: the performance is over, the curtain is over. Erdik found out that Armenians are not Kurds, and Azerbaijanis are not Turks ...
        3. Sergey Gintner
          Sergey Gintner 28 September 2020 19: 08
          0
          against a developed country, all these UAVs and robotic complexes have no advantages, since they are just as vulnerable from the side of electronic warfare systems and other counter systems ..
          1. pytar
            pytar 28 September 2020 19: 26
            -1
            The current one, yes ... even under such conditions, UAVs can cause serious harm, without posing a threat to operators and personnel. What is the difference between UAVs and manned vehicles? The former depend on the commands and decisions of the operator sitting somewhere far away. In manned, the pilot is in direct danger to his life, and besides, he also needs communication, which can be interrupted by electronic warfare means! At the moment, UAVs with artificial intelligence are being developed, they will be able to independently choose and hit targets, without the need for constant communication with the operator! With them, the disadvantages of current UAVs are largely nullified! A robotized fighter will be able to perform maneuvers with a load unthinkable for a manned one! So the trend is clear! Who is late will be defeated! Underestimation, always expensive! hi
        4. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 28 September 2020 23: 02
          +2
          You are greatly mistaken. It's just that everyone rushed to make drones and no one has yet seriously taken up the development of means to combat them. But in fact, a drone is a very vulnerable thing.
          1. pytar
            pytar 28 September 2020 23: 26
            0
            For each new weapon, after a while there is opposition. So it is in the entire history of mankind. But whoever has a new first has an advantage until there is opposition. During this time, you can lose the war.
      2. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 28 September 2020 21: 17
        0
        it is strange that such opinions have not yet died, at least in Libya ...
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 28 September 2020 23: 05
          0
          Who fought drones in Libya? Great air defense specialists?
  23. erased
    erased 28 September 2020 14: 32
    +4
    Hilarious video. On the one hand, I am glad that this is not ours. On the other hand, it saddens that this can come to us at any moment.
  24. Niki71
    Niki71 28 September 2020 14: 33
    +5
    On the last episode of the defeat of the Osa-AKM air defense missile system, the impact itself hit the video, and it flew into the stern during the campaign! It turns out that several drones were hanging over the air defense system, but he did not see one of them? I understand that the "ancient" complex has problems with intercepting low-flying targets, and although the antenna was working on the video, the detection station did not see a drone with a small effective scattering area. And according to Wikipedia, the "ancient" air defense system Osa is the most numerous military air defense complex in Russia.
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  25. gyroscope
    gyroscope 28 September 2020 14: 39
    +7
    "The Kremlin is not going to do anything. In fact, it left us in trouble." Handsome))) Russia is to blame again
    https://www.armenianreport.com/ru/pubs/259047/
  26. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 28 September 2020 16: 26
    -1
    The author does not know anything at all and publishes guesses.

    No one to call in Armenia?
    At least the military correspondents were honored (The famous Russian blogger Semyon Pegov is already in Artsakh)

    “According to the @wargonzo project, after preliminary treatment of the new Yerevan-Stepanakert highway with Turkish drone drone, Azerbaijan threw a column of armored vehicles and infantry through the Karvachar Gorge to break through,” he said. Correspondent Semyon Pegov.
    “The column ended up being trapped in the gorge by the Artsakh Defense Army and destroyed. Daytime footage of the dead Azerbaijani soldiers and the burnt-out armored vehicles from there, ”he added.
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  28. Hort
    Hort 28 September 2020 17: 17
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    purely speculative interest: if both sides are calmed down with "calibers", will progressive countries from the stronghold of freedom and democracy blame us for aggression and other mortal sins?
    1. Sergey Gintner
      Sergey Gintner 28 September 2020 18: 58
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      It is too expensive to calm every tank or infantry fighting vehicle or artillery position with a Caliber .. It's still not a rocket from the Grad or Hurricane .. Calibers for large and important targets only make sense to spend .. A ship, for example, or a position of an air defense radar station .. It's unrealistic .. And not only in economic terms .. We have very large diasporas inside the country, both of them .. They are still relatively loyal and even patriotic in relation to Russia .. You should not violate this provision with rash harsh actions ..
  29. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 28 September 2020 18: 11
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    Aliyev apparently had no options to calm down the supporters of the war in Azerbaijan and the Turks, once he decided on this armed conflict, he is loyal and needed by the Kremlin, apparently, Pashinyan's position on pro-Russian issues will change, he will be more accommodating with us, so from the point of view politicians, this conflict is beneficial to Russia and it will not last long
  30. imobile2008
    imobile2008 28 September 2020 18: 21
    +1
    Technically Ayzers are better equipped, but they go "checkers bald" and do not lose for long.
  31. Sergey Gintner
    Sergey Gintner 28 September 2020 18: 50
    +1
    One thing is clear. There are already losses on both sides, which will lead to bitterness and further escalation of the conflict. Both Aliyev and Pashinyan have only one way to stay on the political Olympus in their countries - to win, or at least pretend that they won ... It's easier for Pashinyan, he needs to at least repel the attacks of Azerbaijan ... and hold the territory ..
    1. Grits
      Grits 28 September 2020 20: 08
      +1
      So far I have understood only one thing - the Turks use more advanced weapons (UAVs) and destroy more advanced weapons (air defense). The Armenians use the old means of attorney (mines, artillery) and therefore destroy simpler means (armored vehicles). It is difficult to understand who has more efficiency.
  32. Oleg133
    Oleg133 28 September 2020 19: 23
    +3
    Lord, I'm worried about how they are fighting there. No masks, no gloves.
    After all, everyone will die from the fierce coronavirus ...
    And God forbid we have a war - one mask for four years ...

    It would be necessary to urgently write out some order from the governor, this should help
  33. Pavel57
    Pavel57 28 September 2020 19: 52
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    Quote: finish
    Saudi Arabia imposes an embargo on all Turkish goods in response to Ankara's support for Azerbaijan's military operation in Nagorno-Karabakh.

    Azerbajan are Shiites, just like Iran.
  34. Vlad_S
    Vlad_S 28 September 2020 20: 03
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    I like Bayaktars. The idea for local conflicts is very tempting.

    Isn't it time for ours to think about applying the concept of commercially available off-the-shelf (COTS) for systems that we cannot manufacture ourselves?
  35. fa2998
    fa2998 28 September 2020 20: 08
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    Quote: a.hamster55
    MOTHERLAND MOTHER CALLS !!! All Armenians and Azerbaijanis URGENTLY leave the Russian Federation to defend their Motherland !!

    So they rushed in! All the flights are overcrowded, all the stations are teeming with Armenians - they left their business. laughing lol
  36. Garris199
    Garris199 28 September 2020 22: 56
    +1
    Turkish UAVs are a "fool" with a wingspan of 12 meters and a speed of 130 km / h. Why does the wasp have such difficulties with their destruction?
    1. Alien ...
      Alien ... 28 September 2020 23: 21
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      Who said difficulties? None. Excl. one - you can shoot down or not ... So they flew there, flew, did not touch anyone. And then rrraz- and shot ... By the way, Nuno should closely follow this trick in Donbas ...
      Immediately about the scanty air defense range: there are rumors that Yerevan supplied Stepanakert with S-300 ...
      1. Garris199
        Garris199 29 September 2020 02: 37
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        What does it mean you can or not? Need to. The war is actually going on.
        1. Alien ...
          Alien ... 29 September 2020 22: 01
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          That is what it means ..... When it is possible, it will be late, and when it is possible, it is impossible. For the "world" ... Dap there Armenian technicians stuffed the UAV yesterday and today? Something not to see videos ... And why? So ...
  37. ashot1973
    ashot1973 28 September 2020 23: 13
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    Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
    Quote: nnm
    And what was the reason for the escalation?

    The Ayzers decided to take revenge.

    Another ruled ... soldier
  38. Alien ...
    Alien ... 28 September 2020 23: 26
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    Turkey has climbed head over heels into Syria ... Head over heels in Libya ... Head over heels in Karabakh ... That's what Turkey needs in NATO ...
  39. Freedim
    Freedim 29 September 2020 00: 36
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    Quote: Alien ...
    Turkey has climbed head over heels into Syria ... Head over heels in Libya ... Head over heels in Karabakh ... That's what Turkey needs in NATO ...

    No, no .. Pi (e) Dorgan sleeps and sees himself as a padishah, sultan and emir in one person .. he swore on the Koran that he would restore the Ottoman Empire (yeah .. there was the same narrow-eyed one-celled restorer of the Kuril Islands .. got sick from wet their dreams .. it’s not destiny) .. So it’s understandable .. the Muslims will sign for the whole kipish that affects their interests ... But their brain is not able to realize that Russia will not give Christians back.
    Shl .. and the Armenians in the States still have such an impressive diaspora that on the eve of the American elections, the Americans will not even be able to blather anything in defense of the interests of the Aysers ...
  40. Artura
    Artura 29 September 2020 06: 01
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    The losses of the Azerbaijani army ...
    1. Hort
      Hort 29 September 2020 10: 59
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      when did they manage to love 80 tanks?
    2. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 29 September 2020 11: 38
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      Quote: Artura
      The losses of the Azerbaijani army ...

      Divide by at least 3 and get the true loss result.
  41. Alexander Schlegel
    Alexander Schlegel 1 October 2020 00: 32
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    Eliminate Aliyev for betraying the Russian world! He started a war, it's like lighting a fireplace near a neighbor's fence.