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The engines of the An-26 that fell near Kharkov did not undergo major overhaul for about 30 years

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The An-26Sh plane that crashed near Kharkov had such worn out engines that the crash was inevitable. Its left engine, which had failed during the flight, was last overhauled 30 years ago.


Ukrainian journalist Yuri Butusov writes about this on his Facebook page.

Although the aircraft engine has not been overhauled since 1990, in June this year it was decided to extend its service life. Life extension work was carried out in August by Antonov Design Bureau. Butusov refers to the report on the investigation of the AI-24VT engine carried out by the KB specialists.

This unit was released in 1977, and in 1990 it underwent a major overhaul. After that, he was given a service life until the next repair of 13 years and 1750 hours of work. Instead, it served 30 years without repair, having been in operation for a total of 2339 hours. And even then it was decided not to send him for overhaul, but to extend his working time to 2,5 hours.

The second engine was just as worn out as the first. According to the Ukrainian journalist, the plane crash was caused by criminal negligence.

On September 26, an An-26 military plane crashed near Kharkov. There were 27 people on board. In addition to the crew, there were cadets and officers of the Kharkov University of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Only one cadet survived.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 September 2020 16: 37
    12
    until the next repair 13 years and 1750 hours of work. Instead, it served 30 years without repair, having been in operation for a total of 2339 hours.
    Well, he pulled! And to spend pennies on sho? request
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 27 September 2020 19: 59
      +1
      The second engine was just as worn out as the first. According to the Ukrainian journalist, the plane crash was caused by criminal negligence.

      that's who has a "BOTTOM" in a large number. Canada will help you in the fight against "Rusnya".
      it was necessary to enter Voronezh or Kacha, and not to the Bandera University
      small-town thinking.
      other perpetrators besides Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych, Poroshenko and their ministers of "turnovers" - no and never will

      IF KERNES HAS A REFERENDUM IN KHARKIVI AS IN THE CRIMEA, THEN THEIR OWN, AND SHCHAS - BANDEROVSKAYA AVIATORS, UNDER THE BANDEROVSKAYA FORK WALK AND CELEBRATE NOT MAY 9, BUT 8 MAY.
      CUT OFF SCRAP
    2. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 27 September 2020 20: 22
      0
      there would be more such litakiv, the disposal of the packets will be faster
      1. Alexey Polyutkin
        Alexey Polyutkin 28 September 2020 02: 42
        +2
        How dumb you do not understand ... Ukrainians are hammering that the Russians are bad and we are that the Ukrainians are bad. And while we cut each other, the Americans jump with happiness with their sixes. It is beneficial for them that there were more idiots like you who are easily amenable to propaganda. The herd is easier to manage.
        1. Mikhail Tynda
          Mikhail Tynda 28 September 2020 03: 16
          +4
          And no one says that Ukrainians are bad. They weren't made BAD, they were made DIFFERENT. They did not resist much. By the way, I know the situation there from numerous colleagues who have moved and are moving after receiving citizenship to our Far East.
        2. rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 28 September 2020 07: 01
          -3
          if I'm stupid, then I can call you a complete idiot, and while your post shows that you are the very same pan jumping to the trick of the Pindos, but about the good outskirts, ask the residents of Donbass, they will clearly explain everything to you
        3. St Petrov
          St Petrov 28 September 2020 13: 48
          -1
          The Ukrainians are hammering that the Russians are bad and that the Ukrainians are bad for us.


          only we have clowns in the amount of several thousand with the slogan: "You will not see a Ukrainian for a gilyak in the capital of the Russian state."
          This is how the stable differs from the state. In the barn this is the norm.

          So don't even try to equate situations. The favorite trick of the forelock tribe is to say - and you also have bebebe !!

          So it's different with us.

  2. NF68
    NF68 27 September 2020 16: 37
    42
    These engines had good quality if they lasted so many years without overhaul.
    1. ancient
      ancient 27 September 2020 18: 00
      +7
      Quote: NF68
      These engines had good quality if they lasted so many years without overhaul

      Anyone interested, here is a link to the REAL and ACTIVE document from the developer

      List of bulletins of SE "Ivchenko-Progress" on AI-24 (2nd series), AI-24VT (VTP), AI-24T:

      http://laynercenter.ru/images/SB/Bulleten_resursy_dvig_AI-24-8_AI-24-GD001-BE-G4.pdf
      Get answers to all questions - who can, for how much and in what time frame and under what conditions
      wink
      And no one will have any questions - like ... hi from what and why
      1. NF68
        NF68 27 September 2020 18: 14
        0
        Quote: ancient
        Quote: NF68
        These engines had good quality if they lasted so many years without overhaul

        Anyone interested, here is a link to the REAL and ACTIVE document from the developer

        List of bulletins of SE "Ivchenko-Progress" on AI-24 (2nd series), AI-24VT (VTP), AI-24T:

        http://laynercenter.ru/images/SB/Bulleten_resursy_dvig_AI-24-8_AI-24-GD001-BE-G4.pdf
        Get answers to all questions - who can, for how much and in what time frame and under what conditions
        wink
        And no one will have any questions - like ... hi from what and why


        I am more interested in WWII aircraft piston engines.
      2. VO3A
        VO3A 28 September 2020 01: 26
        +3
        I got ! The engine must be repaired no later than 2004, taking into account all possible maximum extensions ... More precisely, it must be written off ...
  3. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 27 September 2020 16: 38
    21
    Excellent attitude to technology. Exemplary, one might say. thirty!!! years without overhaul to drive the engine - this is already beyond idiocy. For such a head should fly in batches, and the maximum that will be - the shoulder straps of a mechanic who will be appointed as a switchman will fly.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 27 September 2020 16: 53
      16
      I would not really trust Yuri Butusov. This guy felt good under Gunpowder, some kind of fund organized there, but under Ze he was slightly "pushed" and, of course, he, like any ex, began to look for "crap" in the army. That is, while I was at the "trough", I did not notice, they only pushed me aside - I started yelling.
      Better to wait for the official version and compare it with the investigation of other journalists.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 27 September 2020 17: 42
        12
        He seems to be related to the "Peacemaker" Referring to this utyrk is the last thing.
      2. Alex013
        Alex013 27 September 2020 21: 10
        +1
        I agree with you! But at the expense of the official version - ....
      3. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 27 September 2020 22: 10
        +3
        The official version may be radically different from the real one. As someone who has met this in aviation, I am telling you this. And no counterarguments are subsequently accepted after the officialdom that took place in the AB bulletins.
    2. Rubi0
      Rubi0 27 September 2020 17: 10
      +2
      What do you want, an excellent decommunization operation turned out
    3. Lptsk
      Lptsk 27 September 2020 18: 19
      +4
      There will be nothing for the technique if Antonov extended the resource. And there will be no regimental and squadron engineers if all the papers are in order for the extension of the resource.
    4. NF68
      NF68 29 September 2020 16: 45
      0
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Excellent attitude to technology. Exemplary, one might say. thirty!!! years without overhaul to drive the engine - this is already beyond idiocy. For such a head should fly in batches, and the maximum that will be - the shoulder straps of a mechanic who will be appointed as a switchman will fly.


      Smart people are not held in high esteem in Ukraine these days.
  4. nnm
    nnm 27 September 2020 16: 39
    25
    Ukrainian journalist Yuriy Butusov writes about it

    - to call the owner of the "Censor" a journalist is, of course, "five"!
    You just have to wait for the results of the investigation. And then in a day, the engine was already on fire, and the wing was hooked on the ground, and vertically fell, and jumped out ...
    You just need to wait for the withdrawal of those who have objective information on the parameters of the flight and the operation of equipment.
    1. impostor
      impostor 27 September 2020 18: 44
      +4
      to call the owner of the "Censor" a journalist is, of course, "five"!

      Yurka is the same "master" of the censorship as Yulka is the "mistress" of "Batkivshchyna", the term "Golodranets" is applicable to both. Zits-chairmen, plin.
  5. Grandfather
    Grandfather 27 September 2020 16: 39
    +4
    Ukrainian journalist Yuri Butusov writes about this on his Facebook page.
    "the ultimate truth?" vera zhurnaliZtam, tends to zero, I understand that the engines were not the first freshness, but this is not a land-based millionaire, but an airplane, how can you fly without repair for 30 years ... right into the "guinness" book ... ...
    1. nnm
      nnm 27 September 2020 16: 45
      11
      So the chief editor of the Censor, this Butusov - well, how can he not take his word for it. There is only the most honest information. I think Butusov in the fifth column of his publication is still heroically defending DAP.
  6. Coconut
    Coconut 27 September 2020 16: 44
    +2
    I have no comments ... there will still be ... crying
  7. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 27 September 2020 16: 46
    15
    Butusov, as always, decided to pontoon, not even realizing what he was painting))) the life is extended by the manufacturer - "Motor Sich". 30 years without repair - This is the delusion of a madman (Butusov). There is an assigned service life, average repairs are indicated there, according to the number of flight hours. In short - bullshit
  8. bogart047
    bogart047 27 September 2020 16: 48
    +7
    health to the dead Bandera. The air conditioner went off again.
    1. Alex013
      Alex013 27 September 2020 21: 15
      0
      Well, I don't know ... Bandera from Kharkov. From Lvov, From Chernivtsi, etc. I agree. But from Kharkov - no. Kharkov in the 14th was ours, but for some reason all the forces were thrown into Donbass, where x ... more
      1. Alex013
        Alex013 27 September 2020 21: 18
        0
        They talk about karma ... Westerners ... There are all the guys from the East of Ukraine
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 27 September 2020 16: 50
    0
    30 (!) Years without overhaul! Even as it is hard to believe. How was his readiness extended !? fingered with flushing with kerosene and replacement of rubber goods and consumables? But if the Ukrainians themselves write about this and do not even stutter about "Russian sabotage", then .. request And after all, no one will be punished for the death of almost three dozen people, except that the switchmen.
    Although for such shoulder straps should fly, starting with the Minister of Defense
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 27 September 2020 16: 57
      +7
      But if the Ukrainians themselves write about this and do not even stutter about "Russian sabotage", then .. 

      Go to the censor. They even stutter very much.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 27 September 2020 17: 44
        +5
        Didn't Putin fix the motor again?
    2. boris epstein
      boris epstein 27 September 2020 17: 39
      -1
      I recommend for understanding with engine hours and airframe resource for reading the article "Murderers" An-26 near Kharkov - decommunization and de-Russification. "
      1. Avior
        Avior 27 September 2020 17: 59
        +4
        Doubtful article, to be honest, as seen at the beginning. Its author is not aware that engine repairs are not done at Antonov.
    3. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 27 September 2020 17: 59
      0
      sorted out with washing with kerosene

      Sorted out and greased with lard.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 27 September 2020 19: 20
        -1
        Quote: Aviator_
        Sorted out and greased with lard.

        Apparently, they saved on lard ... request
        1. K-36
          K-36 27 September 2020 23: 24
          +9
          Sorted out and greased with lard.
          Apparently, they saved on lard

          Let me offer you, my dear companions-in-arms, one "picture from the exhibition", drawn not somewhere "there", but right here, in our birches, pines and aspens.
          I will begin the description of the "picture" with the ever-memorable crisis for the Armed Forces (and for aviation in particular) 2008.
          A short war with Georgia 08.08.08. What are the results of using aviation in this mess? I hope you can easily find it on the internet. Zelin headed the Air Force at that time (having Bondarev as deputy). I will also remember the Minister of Defense (at the time) Serdyukov himself. Well, the fact that they could not find him within XNUMX hours after the real start of the database already says everything about him ... It is necessary to plant such Ministers (after all, he has a nuclear suitcase). And the fact that he ordered to remove all the posters hanging during the reports with the writing of the Air Force abbreviation firmly glued him the nickname Marshal Taburetkin. He sincerely thought the BBC was the BBC's English-language media! yes
          The second touch to the "picture". It was in August 2008. (On the 2nd) a masterpiece was published order signed by Serdyukov (and his Chief of General Staff Makarov) No. 400[/ b] Common sense nevertheless led to the cancellation of this order (after Taburetkin was removed from the Ministry of Defense and a criminal case was opened against him). But that order managed to mess up, oh, how many! First, a little about the ground on which this order fell. General Staff Makarov (later - the secret Hero of the Russian Federation) already embodied with might and main the "unparalleled in the world" brainwashing idea about: [b] a) optimization of the number of aircraft by restructuring the "egg" into a "pyramid" (the internet is full of materials); b) the creation of air bases instead of air regiments and brigades instead of divisions (well, according to the American type), as well as the abolition of all warrant officers and the growth of Chief Sergeants of the Armed Forces; at) Rotation of the most promising officers from one kind (type) of the Armed Forces to another in order to acquire the necessary knowledge and skills in order to competently command at the very top (well, who will rise to the Supreme level).
          To say that all the w / sl. from such reforms eyes crawled out of orbits - it's just to say nothing.
          But let's get back to ave. 400. Having received a certain amount of rubles from the Government, Taburetkin summoned the Commanders-in-Chief and set the task under this order to select military units that would agree to receive certain amounts of money to encourage the most distinguished military personnel, but with only one condition - the obligatory consent to ROLL away the money to Moscow. It is clear that there is not a gu-gu about this in the order itself. And they flew away - the Moscow emissaries went through the cities and villages of the vast Motherland to look for those who would agree. To the credit of the army officers, not everyone agreed. But there are also those who seduced by a freebie large (for those times) sums... There were several of these in aviation, but criminal cases were opened only in three: a) in Lipetsk PPI and PLC; b) at the Syzran helicopter school; at) in the aviation of the Black Sea Fleet. The reason for the scandals is the categorical disagreement of many officers with the question of whether the "lucky ones" were chosen and the obligatory ROLLBACK. Here are (offhand) a couple of links
          https://svpressa.ru/society/article/16400/
          https://iz.ru/news/590084
          Those officers who "appeared" were delicately "retouched". Someone was kicked out of the army, who was offered to look for positions in the Far North or in Transbaikalia. There were many of those who internally agreed with the principled “dissenters”, but “wisely” chose to remain silent, since during Makarov’s reforms before retirement, it was still necessary to somehow Dososluvit.Moreover, the repressions against the dissenters clearly showed "WHO is the boss in the house." After all, Taburetkin is the henchman of Solntseliky Himself.
          We will slowly go on ... Makarov - for demobilization, Taburetkina - under a criminal case. And what about Aviation? A bunch of flight schools were closed, the Air Force Academies were kicked out of Pervopristolnaya, the pilots (due to staff cuts due to the Makarov reform) were oversupplied. Bondarev stood at the helm of the Air Force (Zelin expressed his disagreement about the transfer of aviation command to the Okrugs, and then refused to move to Voronezh as head of the VUNC and was dismissed from the army). Here we will summarize some of the RESULTS of the reign of Zelin and Bondarev under the direction of Marshal Taburetkin. Namely, under the article "Aviapark and its Operation". The picture is depressing: a) The aircraft fleet is worn out, there is nothing to replace and is not expected; b) Fatigue of metal on older aircraft leads to destruction of the keels. Link https://tass.ru/info/5641947; at) The lack of "twin" Su-27 UB crossed the red line; d) Almost 2-year absence of rubber for the MiG-29 chassis; d) Almost 5-year absence of new braking parachutes for MiG and Su (with a fully knocked out resource and service life of the operated ones; f) A huge number of military airfields ceased to exist and were completely unusable (again, thanks to Makarov's reform and with the connivance of Zelin-Bondarev).
          It was a sad and critical time when a flight accident could be expected almost any day. But during the exercise, another "surprise" got out. Civilian airports refused to host 28 BTA aircraft during military exercises. Under the auspices: the military has its own wallet, and we also have our own. fool "It's nothing personal. It's business" - remember this saying. Here's a link
          1. K-36
            K-36 28 September 2020 02: 20
            +5
            I will continue. Here is the link https://tass.ru/info/5641947
            Thank God - sane officers were found. Little by little, we got things going with the production of new rubber for the chassis, with the sewing of new brake parachutes. But the matters with the renewal of the aircraft fleet turned out to be more complicated. The long-awaited MMiG-29 has not yet come to replace the MiG-35. Keels of the MiG-29 were urgently diagnosed (where they put "patches" where they were written off and transferred to the storage base), but those remaining in the ranks are still taking off. Instead of twin Su-27 UB, Su-30S began to arrive (thanks to the Indian contract! what ). With digital video matrices (instead of our pointer devices lol ). I remember the joy of our pilots who relocated them from Irkutsk to Lipetsk. With the Su-24, the picture also began to change in a positive direction. a) They put "Hephaestus" on them. which led to a sharp increase in the effectiveness of bombing "cast iron". b) Su-24 began to replace the Su-34. Although the arrival of the first of them in Lipetsk was at first shocked. To start it before departure, it had to be cooled by a special air conditioner made on the basis of KamAZ and the size of a new fire engine for more than half an hour (the same red lol ). Everyone was puzzled by the question: "is this, each board - on such a KamAZ?!?). But over time, this burden was nevertheless cut off. Instead of the Su-27, new Su-35s began to arrive, which in general, except as a breakthrough event in You can't name it. For such an airplane it takes pride. So, everything in the house has improved? Everything, but not everything ... Remember, I talked about the times of Taburetkin, Makarov and Zelena and Bondarev? So sane pilots even then began to think how to get out of this mess and where (???). The most rational (and without losing the profession) in civil air transportation. True, for this it was necessary to learn the necessary minimum of English and be as young as possible. But the buns were visible to the naked eye: ) The salary is an order of magnitude higher than in the army (of that time); b) No gifted ones command you and will not shove you into the Far North and the "near" Transbaikalia. On weekends, you can go fishing or pick mushrooms outside your garrison, no one without asking for time off. And a bunch of other delicious p hatches. So the stream broke its way. Then, however, the pay of the military was raised, only civilian (former military) pilots now have a higher salary than the commanders of air regiments. I will not condemn those former military pilots (and I don’t want to in principle). Everyone has their own God, their own Guardian Angel and a vision of their place in existing realities.
            In conclusion, let's move on to the present times (that is, to goal 2020). The temporary oversupply of the flight personnel "zeroed out" and slowly climbed into the red (after all, Makarov's belching to reduce flight schools affected). Shoigu reacted "wisely" - he allowed the girls to be recruited as pilots. lol And he also built (for extortion from the military.) A certain Temple in Pobeda Park, where he blinded a special mosaic with portraits of the GDP, himself Beloved, and the rest of the shobla architects of building neo-capitalism in Russia. embankment of the Moskva River (well, the one in which the "duty" generals with colonels and 100500 digital monitors. And he also ordered to take pictures (without fail! yes ) all the activities of the daily routine related to the BP and these photos should be sent from all corners of the immense Motherland to this operational hall. And he also appointed Surovikin Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces (who was never associated with either the Air Defense Forces or the Air Force). I have the statements of the pilots who served under his command in Syria, but I will not, because they are not very positive. I also have reviews about Shoigu's military talents from one of those who, on duty, just worked in the Central Operations Hall of the Ministry of Defense. These reviews, let's say, are also unflattering. However, Shoigu himself knows about this, but what can he do? He is a loyal official of the President's clip, he was ordered - he answered "Yes!" He surrounded himself with girls-generals. And also, without thinking, blurted out in the media about plans to change the order of dismissal and the timing of the appointment of military pensions. Like, on dismissal, issue a 2-year pay (for the last position held) and start paying a pension at 65 (like the entire male population in Russia crying ). And again the brook began to purr in civil air transportation ...
            Putin appointed Shoigu, Shoigu appointed Surovikin ... No, the President sees Russia this way (with such officials and such a selection of personnel) and at the same time fancies himself a patriot of his country. Only here I "mnu". And, surprisingly, from my kennel of spontaneous patriotism, the country seems to me completely different. With a developed system of education, medicine, industry and agriculture. With fair salaries. With corruption pressed to the nail. With the prohibition of multi-citizenship in public office. With the election of judges and their regular reporting to the people who elected them. And, oddly enough, many pilots have exactly the same wishes for their homeland. And this does not agree with the President's braces. What to do, I don't know yet, life will show. These are the pies in our military aviation today (from my individual bell tower).
            There are so many letters, but all to what? Oh yeah: “They smeared lard and saved on lard.” I'll make a reservation that I have no right to prohibit jibbling about neighbors' jambs (if it gives them moral satisfaction), only now I remembered the lines from Krylov's well-known fable: Isn't it better to turn to yourself, godfather? " That is, the energy of ridicule of the neighbors, yes "to a peaceful channel." To put things in order in your house. You look, and the neighbors will begin to adopt the positive experience. And there, you see, they will be asked to join the renewed Russia (well, that is, the one that I described in my wildest dreams a little higher). With this I say sincere thanks to everyone who was not too lazy and read my simple opus.
            Please do not be offended. I didn't want to offend anyone and I don't want to.
            hi
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 28 September 2020 03: 26
              +1
              Quote: K-36
              Do not be offended

              Well done! I voiced an important topic! hi
              1. K-36
                K-36 28 September 2020 08: 57
                +2
                Uncle Lee. Vladimir, thank you for your support. But, by the way, I found a film confirming the overcritical staffing of the training twin regiments with the Su-27 in service..: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2YT8_yEoXA... The film is about the events that took place in akkuraat in 2008. Well, it goes without saying that the film delicately bypasses the question "and who regulated this plane so that almost everything on it failed?" And everything is simple: the old warrant officers resigned (since Serdyukov and Makarov were ordered to destroy them as a class), some of the posts of the TECh were transferred to civilian positions (with a salary of 4 rubles), and the personnel shortage of the military began to be filled with newly recruited contract soldiers (super-conscripts, essentially ). Sad and mean times. But there were (and remain!) Worthy officers in aviation, who were on their teeth, but pulled the aircraft out of the cloaca, arranged by Taburetkin, together with Maakarov with the full connivance of the Zelin = Bondarev tandem. I am ready to sincerely shake hands with such courageous men who saved this pair from inevitable death ...
                hi
            2. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 28 September 2020 06: 23
              -2
              Quote: K-36
              sincere Thanks to everyone who was not too lazy and read my simple opus.

              "Uncomplicated" is clearly not suitable here. request
              And yes. Verymnogabukoff, niasilil ... Apparently you have not heard that Talent's sister is called Kra ©. Please do not be offended. I didn't want to offend anyone and I don't want to.hi
  10. maktub
    maktub 27 September 2020 16: 51
    0
    The left engine was manufactured in December 77th, the duty repair was planned for July 21st
    The right engine was manufactured in the 4th quarter of the 74th, the duty repair in October 20st
    1. maktub
      maktub 27 September 2020 16: 59
      0
      They write that at 20:38 the left engine PCM worked, and at 20:45 the plane lost altitude and fell 1500m from the GDP
      1. maktub
        maktub 27 September 2020 17: 26
        0
        The aircraft flew 5985 hours and the service life of the aircraft was 20000 flight hours.
        Service life until June 21, 22 years
        1. ancient
          ancient 27 September 2020 17: 51
          +3
          Quote: maktub
          The service life of the machine is 20000 flight hours.

          Add ... Assigned resource .... and what is the overhaul?
          1. maktub
            maktub 27 September 2020 18: 19
            -1
            Not specified, translated from the Ukrainian site
        2. Pavel Patrashov
          Pavel Patrashov 27 September 2020 18: 04
          -1
          plane 50 !!!! years !!!
          1. ancient
            ancient 27 September 2020 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: Pavel Patrashov
            plane 50 !!!! years !!!

            The consistent decision of the Antonov Design Bureau, during the operation of its aircraft, led to the possibility of ensuring the operation of aircraft with increased MTO and service life (in the phrase - within the assigned calendar period ... "removed" bully)
            And at the present time, when using the monitoring of the experience of operating aircraft in different regions of the CIS countries and far abroad, as well as revising and clarifying operational documentation and introducing preventive measures during maintenance, it has now actually made it possible to transfer the An aircraft to the so-called “ maintenance-free operation " fellow
            Why .. "own hand .. master" bully
    2. ancient
      ancient 27 September 2020 17: 50
      +3
      Quote: maktub
      duty repair

      What is this ... such a procedure ... "repair on duty"? belay
      1. maktub
        maktub 27 September 2020 18: 20
        -2
        "Chergoviy", literally-on-duty from Ukrainian
        1. ancient
          ancient 27 September 2020 18: 24
          +1
          Quote: maktub
          "Chergoviy", literally-on-duty from Ukrainian

          You posted a link to all Aviation Engine Bulletins AB -... from 2Ivchenko-Progress "... there ..." such " wassat ..not visible wink
          1. maktub
            maktub 27 September 2020 18: 26
            -1
            Buying for sho, selling for that laughing
        2. Avior
          Avior 27 September 2020 18: 51
          +6
          Chergoviy is not only the duty officer, but also the next one.
          1. maktub
            maktub 27 September 2020 19: 24
            -3
            I think in Russian.
            I consulted my wife about the "Chergov" laughing
            My version is next
            1. Avior
              Avior 27 September 2020 19: 44
              +4
              Another renovation is a term
              Cherga in Ukrainian - turn
              1. maktub
                maktub 27 September 2020 21: 03
                -1
                In the army, "chergovy" means duty
                1. Avior
                  Avior 27 September 2020 22: 55
                  +3
                  I know, I wrote right away. In Ukrainian, this word has more than one meaning.
                  This is both the duty and the next.
                  Cherga - turn. Cherguvannya - duty.
                  And the cheergovy is both the next and the one on duty.

                  Next in Ukrainian is "offensive"
                  hi
        3. Mik13
          Mik13 28 September 2020 09: 35
          +1
          Quote: maktub
          "Chergoviy", literally-on-duty from Ukrainian

          In this context, it would be correct to translate "next".
          This is an incorrect use of this word in this sense, but this very often occurs if people who do not know Ukrainian try to speak Ukrainian.
  11. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 27 September 2020 16: 54
    +2
    But the ANs in our Air Force (oh, sorry, VKS) have the same age.
    And unlike it outskirts, now imported and sanctioned.
    How long do we have to wait for news of our crash? After all, there are no new ones, and so far it is not expected.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 27 September 2020 17: 19
      +2
      The Air Force is, they are part of the Aerospace Forces. There is an air force commander subordinate to the commander-in-chief of the air force.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 27 September 2020 17: 42
      +8
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      But the ANs in our Air Force (oh, sorry, VKS) have the same age.
      And unlike it outskirts, now imported and sanctioned.
      How long do we have to wait for news of our crash? After all, there are no new ones, and so far it is not expected.

      The point is not how old they are, but how they are served.
    3. ancient
      ancient 27 September 2020 18: 27
      +3
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      But the ANs in our Air Force (oh, sorry, VKS) have the same age.

      Ours, in contrast to p. 404, are regularly repaired and extended (i.e. all bulletins are carried out, but where do the GCs come from for repairing engines and propellers ..... this is not necessary to know) wink
      True, they can only fly within the country (with the exception of the military) wink
  12. Irek
    Irek 27 September 2020 16: 54
    +4
    Born to grunt in the mud cannot fly.
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 27 September 2020 18: 05
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Irek
      Born to grunt in the mud cannot fly.

      Complaint - Stirring up national tensions.
      1. Gato
        Gato 27 September 2020 23: 32
        0
        Complaint - Stirring up national tensions.

        The complaint is animal cruelty.
  13. Svetlana
    Svetlana 27 September 2020 16: 56
    +2
    This is not criminal negligence, as the owner of the censor claims. That is the general impoverishment of Ukraine, which does not allow to do the necessary maintenance on time.
  14. dgonni
    dgonni 27 September 2020 17: 30
    +1
    How did the saying go among aviators during the Soviet Union?
    Snow-white liner Tu, collapsed on the fly!
    Because they are letting out of WATU, *****.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 27 September 2020 18: 04
      -2
      The ditty was on a disaster in Le Bourget in 1973, when our Tu-144 jumped away from the suddenly appeared Mirage with photographic equipment filming the work of the PGO. Then Tu broke down from overload and collapsed. And the ditty is like this: In Paris on the fly / Tu-liner collapsed / Because Tu / produces ** etu.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 27 September 2020 18: 19
        0
        Maybe there was such a ditty. But the techies were teased like that. Maybe it has changed?
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 27 September 2020 18: 38
          -1
          Maybe changed, in relation to WATU. It is especially offensive about our 144 car - it was bored by this disaster, although the guilt of the French was immediately known, but the fact of the presence of this "Mirage" was made public only 30 years ago.
  15. boris epstein
    boris epstein 27 September 2020 17: 34
    +2
    That is, disaster was inevitable. The only question was when and with what filling it would happen.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 27 September 2020 23: 07
      +5
      Quote: boris epstein
      That is, disaster was inevitable. The only question was when and with what filling it would happen.

      The catastrophe happened there earlier, somewhere after 1991. And, the plane, this is a logical "chain" of walk-fields and races.
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    2. tank-master
      tank-master 27 September 2020 20: 37
      -2
      Oh ... everything is still ahead .. they will find the reason that there was no spare part because it was produced at the enterprises of the "Aggressor country" .... and was not supplied ... because it is prohibited .... so we are waiting .. they will soon start looking for a Russian trace .. to absolve themselves of responsibility
  17. Ham
    Ham 27 September 2020 17: 38
    +8
    the fact that pilots on whose training have spent so much money from the leaky treasury will never sit at the helm is more important than chatter about cause and effect ...
    preparing new ones is a lot of time and money ...
    it is not good to gloat - but in war as in war
  18. Avior
    Avior 27 September 2020 17: 42
    +9
    I would have waited for more details, rather than trusting Butusov unconditionally.
    First you need to understand what the problem was, why the plane left the glide path.
    The sensor is out of order, but the plane did not fall because of the sensor.
    And only then see if there is a connection with the fact that the resource was extended.
    It is hard to imagine that the life at the plant was extended for 20 years at best - who needs responsibility at the plant? What for? The plant, on the contrary, is interested in overhaul, this is money for him, the plant is private, the Ministry of Defense is not subordinate. Why would the plant have to extend the resource at random?
    In general, in my opinion, we must first wait for the details.
  19. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 27 September 2020 17: 43
    0
    On the one hand, 30 years is cool!

    On the other hand, 2,5 thousand hours for a modern engine is just running-in.
  20. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 September 2020 17: 50
    +3
    Well, what can I say, we still have high-quality equipment, only fools got it.
  21. AKS-U
    AKS-U 27 September 2020 18: 05
    -3
    If infa corresponds to reality, then the reliability of ANnushka's engines is amazing. They could make equipment in Soviet times.
    "Yes, there were people in our time, not like the current tribe ..."
    ..................
    Agree, it is "rudeness" that composites for the MS-21 wing do not supply. Yes, this is the current tribe.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 27 September 2020 18: 37
      0
      The failure of one engine on this type of glider is a standard situation, which is being worked out for educational purposes and, in theory, could not become a cause for a disaster.
      Even more incomprehensible is the situation with the survivor, who is in serious condition, and one has died. It is said that they left the plane before hitting the ground. What is it like? That is, some unknown, but rather critical situation arose on board, and the aircraft commander gave the command to leave the aircraft without parachute landing equipment. It is almost impossible to get out of the An-26 on its own during the flight. There are two options here - either lower the ramp, which is on this aircraft in the tail section and is used to drop equipment and parachutists, or open the right door. In both cases, this is possible only with the participation of a flight engineer or one of the crew members.
      Now, they blame the dispatchers, who for a long time did not give permission to land the emergency board on one working engine, forcing them to develop a supply of kerosene.
  22. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 27 September 2020 18: 58
    0
    Evona as ... it turns out the engine An is not a Zhiguli engine for you
  23. APASUS
    APASUS 27 September 2020 19: 49
    0
    According to the Ukrainian journalist, the plane crash was caused by criminal negligence.

    This is very mildly!
    Now let's see what happens, who sits down? I bet no one. This is exactly the state that is eager to join the EU and NATO.
  24. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 27 September 2020 19: 57
    0
    I remember that in 14 g, when the Crimea was liberated there, the old 404 litaki generally turned into scrap metal, everything there, not a country but a rusty steam locomotive without a pipe and without wheels.
  25. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 27 September 2020 20: 14
    -6
    Why should I care about enemies letak engines? We have nothing to do like, did Putin fulfill all his orders?
  26. tank-master
    tank-master 27 September 2020 20: 30
    0
    This accident, this tragedy .. but on this board were the most "thieves" cadets.
    One's dad was a navigator on the IL-76, which was flooded at 14 near Lugansk ... he decided to continue the tradition and dad called him to himself, another dad had a deputy in the Nikolaev region ... and so if you go through the list ... the thing is that they went to this specialty to get the "Transport Aircraft Pilot Diploma", then to go to civilian life ... and become a cab driver on civilian ships ... but before that they had to fly to the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 5 years ... and if it is necessary to bomb citizens in the Luhansk and Donetsk regions, or in the Crimea .. which is unlikely ... such a tangle gathered on board the plane ... which should have already been decommissioned or had to be overhauled for a long time ... so time goes by .. the equipment does not want to fly already .. or rather, it is worn out ... and the flight experience of the crew was also .. not always adequate ... although it was the 6th flight in a day ... so evening fatigue could also affect.
    And most importantly, this is a sign to those who stayed ... if you want to LIVE, run.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 27 September 2020 20: 59
      0
      Dad bombed the children and now he himself has lost his son - that's what KARMA is.
    2. wow
      wow 27 September 2020 22: 10
      0
      What the hell is the "crew experience" !? The commander of the ship is a "pilot pilot" with a total flight time of as much as 800 hours ... Yeah.
  27. iouris
    iouris 27 September 2020 21: 24
    -1
    It can't be. Although ... But then: Glory to Soviet engine builders!
  28. agoran
    agoran 27 September 2020 21: 57
    0
    HM. So:
    - According to aviation classification, this incident is a disaster.
    - There are various resources for the engine, such as: warranty, overhaul, overhaul.
    Yes, there is still a topic. AI-24 is as simple as a primus, but you need to see how long this board with these engines stood idle and what work was carried out with them.
    By the way, is there still a flying laboratory on the outskirts?
  29. wow
    wow 27 September 2020 22: 06
    -1
    Everything is natural!
  30. Eug
    Eug 27 September 2020 22: 30
    +1
    Antonov can extend the life of the glider. Daigatels are a product and, accordingly, the "territory" of Motor Sich.
    1. Avior
      Avior 27 September 2020 23: 00
      +2
      And, possibly, Ivchenko-Progress, design support.
      1. Eug
        Eug 28 September 2020 10: 34
        0
        In theory, there should be a document from the chief engineer of the Air Force on the extension of the aircraft operation, and the basis for it should be the conclusions (or signatures on agreement) of designers and industrialists, drawn up on the basis of visual inspections, instrumental flaw detection, study of operating data (exceeding the maximum overloads and etc.), design analysis of problems encountered in operation ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 28 September 2020 11: 22
          0
          I think this is true in terms of paperwork, since there are permits for the extension of operation, and there are such documents.
          And how, in fact, we will find out when it becomes clear.
  31. tank-master
    tank-master 27 September 2020 22: 51
    +1
    I am glad that the representatives of the 404 country minus our posts ... they read topwar
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 28 September 2020 00: 40
      0
      And unfortunately, we also have enough such non-people in Belarus.
  32. alien
    alien 28 September 2020 00: 01
    +1
    “A minute before the An-26 crash, the pilots were in touch. They negotiated with the dispatcher and requested a landing. but they were not given permissionsince at this moment planted another side. This was announced by the governor of the Kharkiv region Andrey Kucher:
    “Back at 20:44, the guys got in touch, and literally in a minute everything ... the plane crashed.”
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2020927845-Fampz.html?utm_source=tvzvezda&utm_medium=longpage&utm_campaign=longpage&utm_term=v1

    At 20.43 the plane passed the long-range drive of the airfield and began to descend.
    “At 20.45 the plane turned on the headlights on descent, however turned sharply to the left from the runway and at a distance of about 1800 meters from the runway An-26 crashed into a forest plantation. "
    https://ukraina.ru/sn/20200926/1029049058.html

    That is, as a result of the failure of one engine, most likely at low altitude pilots could not deploy the plane for a go-around approach, but decided to land on the ground away from the runway, because it was occupied by another side.
  33. pleschakovai
    pleschakovai 28 September 2020 16: 13
    0
    Everything is neglected, ruined, drunk and sold out. It remains only to wait for the second Chernobyl! But no one will help you, you will slurp your own grief and misfortune! But freeyyyyyyy!