"These problems depend on how the borders were drawn in the USSR": readers in the European press speak about the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan

The European press tells its readers about the serious aggravation of the situation in the Caucasus. It is about the resumption of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh. The French media told readers that for the first time in recent years in a country on the continent, authorities have declared martial law and mobilized. It is about the decision of the Armenian government.

German Die Zeit reports on the appeal of the head of the EU Council Charles Michel to Yerevan and Baku with a call to "immediately stop hostilities."

Charles Michel:

The only way out is to immediately return to negotiations without preconditions.

Also cited is the statement by Maria Pejcinovic-Buric, Secretary General of the Council of Europe. According to her, both sides should not only show restraint, but also take responsibility for escalating the conflict.

Maria Peichinovich-Burich:

Azerbaijan and Armenia are members of the Council of Europe and, as part of the Council of Europe, they committed themselves to resolve the conflict by peaceful means.

According to Pejcinovic-Buric, they must fulfill this obligation.

Let us present a few comments from readers of European media on the situation around Nagorno-Karabakh.

This confrontation is ethnic in nature, not religious. For example, Turkey sided with Azerbaijan, while Muslim Iran sided with Christian Armenia.

Turkey is trying to increase its influence by using Muslim co-religionists in the region. This applies not only to the Caucasus, but also to Syria and Libya.

All these problems stem from how the borders were drawn in the USSR. If initially in the Soviet Union it did not really matter which administrative unit you belonged to, then later ... It was the same when the Russian peninsula of Crimea was handed over to Ukraine overnight.

Will the West stay away from this?

These republics lack democracy and the rule of law. They are the ones who could bring peace and stability.

Against this background, Baku and Yerevan continue to exchange accusations of disinformation. Thus, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan stated that the Armenian side is distributing footage of past years, and the Ministry of Defense of Armenia calls not to believe the publications of the Azerbaijani media that the Armenian side started the shelling.

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[NEXUS]

The European press tells its readers about the serious aggravation of the situation in the Caucasus. It is about the resumption of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh. The French media told readers that for the first time in recent years in a country on the continent, authorities have declared martial law and mobilized.

And the European media are starting to warm up all this and make hysteria ... and it is precisely with the kick of the Anlo-Saxons, to whom any military conflict on our borders is just a gift for the political elite of the USA and England.

[Senka naughty]

According to her, both sides should not only show restraint, but also take responsibility for escalating the conflict.

And why on earth was the responsibility removed from Turkey?

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Senka Mad

And why on earth was the responsibility removed from Turkey?

But did Turkey dissolve the USSR without having dealt with the borders?
Has Turkey organized a Maidan in Armenia led by Pashinyan?
Despite the fact that the Armenians are Christians, according to life experience of communication with various representatives of the peoples of Armenia and Azerbaijan ..
I am morally, I am on the side of Azerbaijanis.
The Armenians are double-bottomed people. Like Georgians. If Turkey and Azerbaijan were not nearby, they would have betrayed us long ago. But they leaned on the "lace panties", so they staged a Maidan. IMHO

[orionvitt]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

The Armenians are double-bottomed people.

They are all double-bottomed there. Both Christians and Muslims. In a word, Caucasians. As a roasted rooster pecks, so they swear by their mother, then a brick face, they don't remember anything like that. Let them fight, maybe they will grow wiser. It's unlikely, though.

[zadorin1974]

Greetings Vitaly. Yes, let them scold each other. Only in saunas they eat vodka together in Russia. If only !!!!!! our handicrafts kicked out all this construction market morlo in 0 hours or disarm - an hour would not have passed - they would have been dragged to the border in our hands. All this misunderstanding is rubbing and nasty with us. They are bored, it is disgusting to go to the south, only Azeris. If the position is for the truth, then Our diasporas will be swollen. The flag of the nationalities is in --------. I wish them to lead the column of marching, I feel the last normal prices ghouls will drop in winter.

[Francois]

And you are a triple bottom nonentity. Give the coordinates if such a bold word for the whole Caucasian people to speak.

[RVAPatriot]

Said a Frenchman by nickname! and not literate (here it is definitely not strong in Russian) !!!

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: RVAPatriot

A certain Frenchman said by his nickname!

I'm not French, but I will say something similar. It is impossible to insult peoples in a crowd (and even a group of peoples). Yes, there are characteristic vices in many nations, but it is impossible to attribute them to all representatives of these nations without exception.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Yes, there are characteristic vices in many nations, but it is impossible to attribute them to all representatives of these nations without exception.

The fact of the matter is that they have the same vices. First of all, duplicity.

[Maz]

The Armenian authorities are starting a mobilization call for reserve servicemen under the age of 55 ...
And laughter and sin ..........

The absence of deployed collection points and PMTCT at the embassies of Armenia and Azerbaijan in Moscow and at the consulates of these states in Russia, despite the announced general mobilization, I consider a personal and unforgivable omission of the Ambassadors Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary V. Toganyan and P. Bul-Bul Ogly.

After all, only in Moscow, each side can form a minimum of a combined-arms army, staffed with military personnel, combat and transport group equipment, weapons and ammunition, which has gone through all stages of combat coordination and provided with all types of provisions.

In this difficult time, when every defender of his Armenian and Azerbaijani Motherland is important, it is necessary to use every opportunity to increase the fighting efficiency of the armies.

[paul3390]

Then over to help both sides, and forcibly send the hell out of all the defenders from Russia to their historical homeland .. And then let them figure it out. We are here and those, and those are already sick of it.

[qQQQ]

Quote: paul3390

Then over to help both sides, and forcibly send the hell out of all the defenders from Russia to their historical homeland .. And then let them figure it out. We are here and those, and those are already sick of it.

As soon as the forced deportation of both of them to their homeland began, the conflict would die out within a few days.

[Sergej1972]

The majority of Armenians living in Russia and a significant part of Azerbaijanis are not citizens of Armenia and Azerbaijan, respectively. For example, the majority of Krasnodar and Rostov Armenians and the majority of Azerbaijanis in Dagestan have never been citizens of independent Armenia and Azerbaijan.

[Jager]

Unfortunately, they beat me in the face, not my passport.

[210ox]

Maybe here, in the Krasnodar Territory, they will finally be mobilized. To defend the historical homeland? Yes, and Azerbaijanis in Moscow and the surrounding area ..

[swnvaleria]

rather, on the contrary, crowds of healthy young type of refugees will come running to us

[Misha Honest]

Rather, 18-year-old boys from the Russian Federation are mobilized again ...

[Cat]

After all, only in Moscow, each side can form at least a combined-arms army

Wait, they are already forming. Coming soon in markets and other theaters

[Malyuta]

Quote: Gato

Wait, they are already forming. Coming soon in markets and other theaters

You can place bets on how hot guys will format each other in the comedy club
In our region, the citizens of sunny Azerbaijan only sell fruits and vegetables in the tridoroga ..., watermelons are 35 rubles per kilo !!!
Who is from the Volgograd and Astrakhan regions? Respond!
How much do you have garbuses?

PySy. the Armenians are also tricky By the way, one of the most powerful diasporas in the world.

[Cat]

watermelons 35 rubles per kilo !!!

In Kiev, watermelons of the same nationality are 10-15 UAH.

[swnvaleria]

we have 10-15 rubles in the south, if you can go to the fields and collect for free, no one is protecting them anymore

[Grits]

Quote: swnvaleria

if you can go to the fields and recruit for free, no one is protecting them anymore

It's the same in Primorye. Take it, I don't want to. Remained in the fields are small, "not commercial", but quite edible. It is a pity, but they will rot.

[the finish]

Watermelon 15-18 melon 25-35

[Private-K]

Quote: Malyuta

Armenians .... By the way, one of the most powerful diasporas in the world.

Sobsno, SECOND in influence after the Jewish. But the gap is very large.

[BARKHAN]

Maz, handsome

[Maz]

Turkish social networks are completely crazy. Already in Karabakh, they are going to fly their flags

It looks like the Turks are crazy about the great empire encroaching

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Maz

Already in Karabakh, they are going to fly their flags

Karabakh is Azerbaijan and the flag of our country should be in Karabakh and it will be. At this rate, Karabakh will soon be cleansed.

by the way the source is Armenian)

[mister-red]

Karabakh is Azerbaijan and the flag of our country should be in Karabakh and it will be.

Crimea, it seems, was also Ukrainian. Some time.

At this rate, Karabakh will soon be cleansed.

A big disappointment awaits you

[Safevi2020]

Quote: mister-red

Crimea, it seems, was also Ukrainian. Some time.

Well, when that was yours too ...... Crimea in its meaning the word comes from the Turkic word KYRYM - rock .... So .... no matter how big disappointment awaits you ... even more, look at the map around who are your neighbors ...... all its time amigo ....

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Sefevi2020

look at the map around who are your neighbors ...... all its time amigo ....

Our neighbors will soon "finish eating" the Uighurs and they will go looking for other Turks. They are already looking closely at the Kazakhs. Those already have frost on their skin. If Russia "gives" them Kazakhstan, then they will be half a step away from your "Turkish empire".
Amigo))

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Karabakh is Azerbaijan

And what do the residents of Karabakh say about this?
I think it is better to ask them, and as they say, so be it.
I mean the majority.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Karabakh is Azerbaijan

That Azerbaijan, that Armenia is the territory of the Russian Empire or the USSR. Please do not forget about this.

[Nychego]

Quote: Maz

It looks like the Turks are crazy about the great empire encroaching

Well, in 2014-2015. and here, on the forum, there were calls to hang Russian tricolors in Odessa.
So what? And where?
Forum chatter this "Glorious flag of the Turk. We will hang it in Karabakh".

[PSih2097]

Quote: Maz

It looks like the Turks are crazy about the great empire encroaching

all according to the will of the ataturk ... really forgot Gromyko, his statement ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Maz

It looks like the Turks are crazy about the great empire encroaching

Striat-eared pets play off Armenia and Azerbaijan to play off Russia and Turkey.
Root out 4 embassies, and everything will subside.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: NEXUS

And the European media are starting to warm up all this and make hysteria ... and it is precisely with the kick of the Anlo-Saxons, to whom any military conflict on our borders is just a gift for the political elite of the USA and England.

... apparently at the last NATO exercises in Georgia, in which the Armed Forces of Armenia and Azerbaijan participated, the latter did not share something ...

[Maz]

Azerbaijan Defense Ministry showed new footage of strikes on military equipment of Armenia

[Maz]

Attention: video 18+!

The Armenian side shows the consequences of shelling Azerbaijani positions. The footage shows a knocked-out infantry fighting vehicle, another vehicle was destroyed, part of a downed helicopter and killed Azerbaijani soldiers are shown.


The Azerbaijani Armed Forces tried to occupy Armenian positions on Mount Mrav, but were thrown back, said the press secretary of the Defense Ministry of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR) Suren Sarumyan.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Unfortunately, sooner or later this abscess had to open up. With what complications - it is not known. In which direction is also not clear. Political "homeopathy" has brought no results.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

In which direction is also not clear.

Towards Moscow, St. Petersburg, Sochi and Crimea ... and both sides of the conflict ...

[Observer2014]

"These problems depend on how the borders were drawn in the USSR": readers in the European press speak about the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan

These problems are not because of how the borders were drawn in the USSR. These problems are due to the fact that the borders were drawn in general. And the nationality was in the passports of the graph. And they boasted about how many nationalities and who exactly lives in the USSR. It was on this that the USSR was caught.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Observer2014

These problems are not due to the way the borders were drawn in the USSR. These problems are due to the fact that the borders were generally drawn

USSR-Union of Republics -states... And states without borders do not exist, even if, as it were, and conditional.

And here a lot depended precisely on HOW they draw: Donbass and Odessa themselves chose 1918 d RUSSIAN citizenship in the form of DKR and OR, like Crimea. And they ended up in ... Ukraine.

So it is in the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

And conditional state borders have become real state-with all the ensuing problems ...

[Private-K]

Quote: Olgovich

much depended precisely on HOW they were drawing: Donbass and Odessa chose RUSSIAN citizenship in the form of DKR and OR, like Crimea, in 1918. And they ended up in ... Ukraine.

Not "turned out", but were included in the structure of the Ukrainian SSR by the firm hand of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.
So it's important who draws the boundaries, not how.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Private-K

So it's important who draws the boundaries, not how.

"how", of course, there is no "who" without

[samarin1969]

Quote: Observer2014

"These problems depend on how the borders were drawn in the USSR": readers in the European press speak about the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan

These problems are not because of how the borders were drawn in the USSR. These problems are due to the fact that the borders were drawn in general. And the nationality was in the passports of the graph. And they boasted about how many nationalities and who exactly lives in the USSR. It was on this that the USSR was caught.

This commentary is absolutely correct!
There is silence in the states! No Sioux-Navajo conflicts ... The melting pot makes everyone an American. And no ethnic "painted" borders!

[Pereira]

This is yes. The Americans drew their state boundaries very thoughtfully, taking into account every little detail.
Like the British with the French in Africa.
A glance at the political map of the world confirms this.

[Graz]

thoughtfully you even look at the map of the states, they drew on the geometry. not thoughtful

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Graz

thoughtfully you even look at the map of the states, they drew on the geometry. not thoughtful

sarcasm people have trouble here
oh trouble

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Pereira

The Americans drew their state boundaries very thoughtfully, taking into account every little detail.

Are you delusional? more than half of the boundaries along the "parallels and meridians" And sho can you take into account?

Like the British with the French in Africa.

Why go so far. The entire Middle East is sliced ​​with tabs.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Pereira

This is yes. The Americans drew their state boundaries very thoughtfully, taking into account every little detail.
Like the British with the French in Africa.
A glance at the political map of the world confirms this.

In Soviet Russia, borders were drawn thoughtfully, along rivers, along roads, trying to take into account a lot. What was a time bomb is a political component. If it had not been for her ... Ukraine would not have stuttered now that Donbass and Crimea are "primordially" Ukrainian lands. And also Smolensk, Rostov, Stavropol, Krasnodar and God knows what else - up to the Volga.

And Western "civilizers" wanted the Papuans to show their superiority - that they are familiar with the ruler, and also know the smart words "meridian" and "parallel". That is why they cut both America and Africa like cabbage pie.

[poquello]

Quote: samarin1969

There is silence in the states!

there blacks beat

[samarin1969]

Quote: poquello

Quote: samarin1969

There is silence in the states!

there blacks beat

They are hitting, and not only "African Americans" ... But so far without tanks and aircraft ... probably.

[Freeman]

samarin1969 (Konstantin Viktorovich Samarin) Today, 15:32
There is silence in the states! The melting pot makes everyone an American.

Uh-huh. Give this thesis to a bar in the Texas outback.

No Sioux-Navajo conflicts for you ..

I understand that this is just a "figure of speech", but unsuccessful - the Sioux live in the north of the United States, and the Navajo in the south.
And so - the street gangs of Puerto Ricans and other "Latinos" will be cooler than snickering casino owners on the territories of Indian reservations.

[Jager]

Remind me, what, who and on what basis cut the borders in the Caucasus and the Balkans? There the devil will break his leg in all these internecine and fratricidal wars. Even before the formation of empires.

[Cat]

borders in the USSR

The borders of the republics in the USSR had no practical significance. With one small exception: they outlined the limits of the powers of local authorities. But these "comrades" were dismissed. And they have already dismissed the USSR on rags, it is a pity, there was not enough brilliant green for them.

[Motorist]

These republics lack democracy and the rule of law. They are the ones who could bring peace and stability.

Trolling from Russian Germans, it seems.

[fa2998]

Quote: Observer2014

These problems are due to the fact that the boundaries were generally drawn.

They drew ADMINISTRATIVE borders, within one state. We thought it would stand for 1000 years. That's how they “moved” the Donbass to Ukraine. And during the collapse, problems and wars began.

[Freeman]

Quote: fa2998

Quote: Observer2014

These problems are due to the fact that the boundaries were generally drawn.

They drew ADMINISTRATIVE borders, within one state. We thought it would stand for 1000 years. That's how they “moved” the Donbass to Ukraine. And during the collapse, problems and wars began.

And I think that they "drew" it so deliberately as a guarantee against possible disintegration.
Indeed, in the event of the withdrawal of any "republic" from the Union, provided for by the "Union Treaty", it is guaranteed to receive a "headache" from its neighbors.
Only the nationalist "leaders of the 90s" thought that they would "carry over" - Not "did". IMHO

[Jager]

The "leaders" thought of nothing but their own pockets and power.

[Cat]

And I think that they "drew" it so deliberately as a guarantee against possible decay

To some extent, yes. But more for political reasons. In Ukraine, at that time 80-90% of the population were Seluk. It was necessary to dilute them with the Donetsk proletariat, otherwise some kind of Vendee was obtained. And it turned out.

[Freeman]

Quote: Gato

And I think that they "drew" it so deliberately as a guarantee against possible decay

To some extent, yes. But more for political reasons... In Ukraine at that time 80-90% of the population were Seluk. It was necessary to dilute them with the Donetsk proletariat, otherwise some kind of Vendee was obtained. And it turned out.

Your version only reinforces mine.

[Cat]

Your version only reinforces mine

"Thoughts of smart people coincide, and fools argue, proving the correctness of their stupidity" (C)

[hwostatij]

Well, Azerbaijan will take Karabakh away from Armenia - and what for is he to him? Ethnic cleansing is now difficult to carry out - as a result, the costs are greater than the profit. Following the results of a small victorious war, the guys will receive a suitcase without a handle - no matter how they regret it later ...

[Pereira]

They don't care. First they will beat him off. And then they will beat off the kidneys of those who in Azerbaijan try to regret it out loud.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Hwostatij

Ethnic cleansing is now difficult to carry out - as a result, the costs are greater than the profit.

be patient a little, it will be soon ...

The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan declares that they propose to surrender to the garrison of Ajdurj / Martakert: "If there is resistance, we will neutralize every armed man."

[hwostatij]

be patient a little, it will be soon ...

Do not share?

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Hwostatij

Do not share?

In the Fizuli-Jabrail direction, the villages of Ashagi Abdurrahmanli, Garakhanbeyli, Gervend, Kend Horadiz, Yukhary Abdurrahmanli of the Fizuli region, as well as the villages of Boyuk Merjanly and Nyuzger of the Jabrayil region were liberated. In addition, in the direction of the Agderinsky region and Murovdag, enemy posts were destroyed, important heights were taken under control in the Goranboy direction of the front, the Murovdag peak of the Murov mountain system was liberated.

[hwostatij]

Can you explain what you will do with Karabakh when you capture it? Yet the local population, it seems to me, will not be entirely loyal to you.

[poquello]

Quote: Sefevi2020

be patient a little, it will be soon ...

The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan declares that they propose to surrender to the garrison of Ajdurj / Martakert: "If there is resistance, we will neutralize every armed man."

and who is storming that ?, and then what they seem to be - terrorists from Syria were overtaken

[Oquzyurd]

There are Azerbaijanis in the cars, Azerbaijanis are also on the sidelines, wishing them good luck. Everything is in Azerbaijani.

[poquello]

Quote: Oquzyurd

There are Azerbaijanis in the cars, Azerbaijanis are also on the sidelines, wishing them good luck. Everything is in Azerbaijani.

ahem, it hurts like igils, they just don't have enough banners

[Oquzyurd]

That is, you are not ashamed to post pictures from the Syrian-Iraqi steppes, right?

[poquello]

Quote: Oquzyurd

That is, you are not ashamed to post pictures from the Syrian-Iraqi steppes, right?

but what is there to be ashamed of then? have you seen the video? the same Toyota with a cargo tail, that's the question

[Safevi2020]

Quote: poquello

the same Toyota with a cargo tail, that's the question

By the way, the passengers in these Toyota cars, your friends are on odkb and there are quite a few of yours. So the question is at the wrong place. I am willing to bet that there is an Uzbek and a Chechen and Armenians and a Dagestani and a Kyrgyz and a Tajik ..... there are hardly more Azerbaijanis than your friends)

[poquello]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Quote: poquello

the same Toyota with a cargo tail, that's the question

By the way, the passengers in these Toyota cars, your friends are on odkb and there are quite a few of yours. So the question is at the wrong place. I am willing to bet that there is an Uzbek and a Chechen and Armenians and a Dagestani and a Kyrgyz and a Tajik ..... there are hardly more Azerbaijanis than your friends)

Are you talking about what toyotas that go to Karabakh or those in the photo from Syria?

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Oquzyurd

not ashamed

Gardash, bunlaryn uzu ila gotlari eini ryangdyadi. What a shame?)))))))) I hope I'm joking

[poquello]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Quote: Oquzyurd

not ashamed

Gardash, bunlaryn uzu ila gotlari eini ryangdyadi. What a shame?)))))))) I hope I'm joking

bamburbia kirgudu

[Oquzyurd]

Jokingly) And so I try to be restrained, regardless of the position of the interlocutor, whether he is a political scientist, or from the street of red lights, it makes no difference.

[Victorio]

Quote: Oquzyurd

There are Azerbaijanis in the cars, Azerbaijanis are also on the sidelines, wishing them good luck. Everything is in Azerbaijani.

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there are doubts about carts and trenches. options: either it's just an agit-run, or the barmaley recruited by Erdogan

[Safevi2020]

I hope the Azerbaijani government will not listen to any of these experts from overseas. Forward!

[Xenofont]

And you, my dear calls "forward!" unsubscribe from the front line? Who is interested in your propaganda here? Less anger and aggression, otherwise you will get the same thing in return.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Xenofont

unsubscribe from the front line?

the whole of Azerbaijan wants to be on this front line.

Quote: Xenofont

Who is interested in your propaganda here?

Yes, I am violet for scaring) the main thing is our people)

Quote: Xenofont

Less anger and aggression, otherwise you will get the same in return.

Disingenuous! Or you don't know Armenians well.

[Xenofont]

You play with words and hide behind the "people", but don't want to listen to the bullets whistling? It is unlikely that the majority of the people want to suffer for the interests of the Baku Khan or the representative of the Yerevan street punks in power. Through war, everyone is trying to solve their internal problems.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Xenofont

Play with words

we know how to act)

пройдите по ссылке https://vk.com/azeordusu?z=video-195918332_456239354%2F604b72709c4a8b4859%2Fpl_wall_-195918332

[Nychego]

Quote: Sefevi2020

follow the link https://vk.com

Yes, you almost won there:
"17:47 The Armenian garrison in Agdera surrendered, hundreds of Armenian soldiers surrendered, and the Azerbaijani army took the city without a fight."
___________________________________
Do not hurry.
This time ares, perhaps, are suitable for the Azerbaijanis and do not heap, but the Azerbaijanis certainly do not shine an easy walk.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Nychego

This time

and this time in summer and in April, always the same thing. The terrorists got what they deserved.

[Victorio]

Quote: Sefevi2020

we and we know how to act)

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yes, the Turks taught how to compress joysticks and lay out rollers

[qQQQ]

Quote: Sefevi2020

the whole of Azerbaijan wants to be on this front line.

You can't see the queues for tickets back to Azerbaijan, as well as to Armenia.

[ccsr]

Quote: Sefevi2020

the whole of Azerbaijan wants to be on this front line.

It is not necessary to send the whole of Azerbaijan to the front line - at least send your citizens from the Sadovod market to the Moscow Ring Road first, and we will morally support them, even wave our hand afterwards ...

Quote: Sefevi2020

Disingenuous! Or you don't know Armenians well.

No worse than Azerbaijanis - they lived in one country for too long, they forgave you a lot, but everyone learned the truth after the collapse of the USSR.

[Jager]

I am afraid that, to celebrate, we will send the rest of the Central Asian "friends" after. In the park, you can confuse who has which passport ...
Moscow will immediately shrink by several unaccounted for millions from all these "gardeners" and "Cherkizons" with "an unfavorable sanitary and epidemiological situation"

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Jager

In the park, you can confuse who has which passport ..

you know I take pleasure in seeing your chauvinistic remarks. Once again I understand why you have no friends, no allies, and all your neighbors are your enemies. One name of your country and already a hostile look and God is not a fraer, he gives everything according to his deserts. We'll wait ... ... not long ...

[Jager]

Doesn't the pan squeeze you? Something you are painfully similar to your friends from the Maidan.
If there are enemies all around, why are you all coming here? I worked in Moscow with zapadentsev from Ukraine, who hid from being drafted to the ATO "in the camp of the enemy." Heroes of verbal battles. And as it pressed, they immediately darted in the right direction.
And you are a good troll, but you still have little experience. Here the training manuals on Belarus for the Internet warriors ran out and after a week everything calmed down on VO. Karabakh sparked, new introductory letters arrived?

[Safevi2020]

Quote: ccsr

and everyone learned the truth after the collapse of the USSR.

very interesting, what did you learn?))))))))))))))

[ccsr]

Quote: Sefevi2020

very interesting, what did you learn?

Who you really are without the Russian person.

[paul3390]

Well, where forward? Again, your muzzles will be stuffed, you are fighters like Georgians for example .. If not worse .. We would have been sitting quietly, barfing fruits ..

[Safevi2020]

Quote: paul3390

Again, your muzzles will be stuffed

what are you saying? In recent years, we have been hitting and hitting. Soon there will be no one to beat.

Look))))) they beat us))))))) woohahahahahah

https://vk.com/azeordusu?z=video-195918332_456239354%2F604b72709c4a8b4859%2Fpl_wall_-195918332

[paul3390]

As long as you are only successful in the markets .. And in general - would you bring everything home, or what? To defend the motherland .. And not to splash saliva on the Internet. And in Russia, you would have a rest from everyone.

[paul3390]

Yes, just to stop us. For they have already got it - the patriots are shitty, the whole country has already moved to us. What are the others. Go home, if you're so formidable. There you will show yourself .. Otherwise, the Russians will come and, as usual, will stuff the muzzles on both sides .. To finally calm down.

[Jager]

Then they themselves will creep up to us, wiping themselves with snot. We saw, we know.

[Moskovit]

Valiant couch soldier. Watch your broomstick. And then you will go in a box of tomatoes to your historical homeland.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Moskovit

Watch your broomstick. And then you will go in a box of tomatoes to your historical homeland.

that it really hurts your eyes? DYK, so if I go to my historical lands, you will lose half of the country. For my homeland, from YAKUTIA to ISTANBUL, and taking into account how you drive us, well, we will get to the historical lands.

[Moskovit]

Go get something, talker. If the Armenians tell you what will happen if a Russian soldier will take on you. Ask your Georgian roots, they will teach you how to properly run away.

[standan]

Your historical land is 2x2 meters, many of you have already run around here, there was enough land for everyone

[paul3390]

Your historic land is a tomato crate ..

[Stavros]

Quote: Sefevi2020

We'll wait ... ... not long ...

Well, if you said, then finish talking. Why didn't it last long?

[nnm]

Well, yes - whether it's the case in Yugoslavia, the borders are drawn. Until now, like a powder keg.

[Reptiloid]

..... how the borders were drawn in the USSR .......

once again the muck about the USSR. And how did the Angles draw? If, for example, what are the conflicts between India and Pakistan.

[nnm]

They did their best in Africa before they left. Moreover, deliberately laying the foundations of enmity for the future

[Reptiloid]

Quote: nnm

They did their best in Africa before they left. Moreover, deliberately laying the foundations of enmity for the future

Yes, we tried so, there is some quote about hostility in the future.

[stalki]

once again the muck about the USSR. And how did the Angles draw? If, for example, what are the conflicts between India and Pakistan.

And the Munich agreement? Czechoslovakia was divided without even asking. True, not only the British were there, but they were the ringleaders. The result is World War II.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: stalki

.... the Munich agreement? Czechoslovakia was divided without even asking. True, not only the British were there, but they were the ringleaders. The result is World War II.

well yes! Fuel, strengthen Hitler

[stalki]

well yes! Fuel, strengthen Hitler

Yes. And lead to our, at that time, borders.

[Voyager]

Well, in general, the question is relevant, why was N. Karabakh legally attributed to Azerbaijan?

[Safevi2020]

This confrontation is ethnic in nature, not religious. For example, Turkey sided with Azerbaijan, while Muslim Iran sided with Christian Armenia.

Therefore, let the Persians not be offended when we provide Israel with everything it needs. Carthage must be destroyed!

[Pereira]

You are clearly mistaken. You wanted to write: let the Jews not be offended when, after the expiration of the embargo, we supply Iran with everything it needs.
And yet, yes, Carthage must be destroyed.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Pereira

You wanted to write: let the Jews not be offended when, after the expiration of the embargo, we supply Iran with everything it needs.

Well, well ... Putin's advisor, Lazar says the same thing)

[Pereira]

What else can Lazar say to the Jews?

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Pereira

What else can Lazar say to the Jews?

Don't see Syria?))))))))))))))))

[Pereira]

No. I'm not a Jew.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Pereira

No. I'm not a Jew.

that is, it’s not strange for you that ONE OF THE GREAT AND INVINCIBLE Shell-S is being destroyed with a Jewish rocket? So it's not strange for you that the Israeli Air Force is bombing Syria with impunity, and your S-400 and S-300 are silent and blind? So all the same, Lazar or a cheap toy that is well advertised ?????)))))))))))))))))))))) You don't have to answer. I will not be offended)))))))

[Pereira]

I will answer why not.
If Putin is ruled by Lazar, then why are all these anti-Russian sanctions? Boruch calls Lazar, he gives the command, and Putin takes him under his cap. And everyone is happy.
But if this does not happen, then there is a fundamental flaw in your logical construction that nullifies all previous posts.

[Aviator_]

Carthage must be destroyed!

And on the BV sometimes Israel is called Carthage. Are you talking about him?

[Pereira]

If this is a question for me, then yes. Especially considering where the founders of TOGO Carthage are from.

[Aviator_]

No, not for you. This idea was expressed here by Sefevi2020

[Pereira]

He clearly does not understand what he is writing about. Seized on a beautiful phrase.

[Aviator_]

Yes, it seems. It's a very famous phrase.

[Keyser soze]

when we provide Israel with everything it needs. Carthage must be destroyed!

Israel is three or four hundred years ahead of you, in technology and weapons. And in spirit and ability to fight, and generally unattainable for you. So give a little explanation, what can you provide them?

[Pereira]

We can paint Israeli starships.

[Pereira]

And I decided not to waste time, to act as a contractor and earn extra money.

Pereira on the one hand, and Israel on the other ...

[Keyser soze]

And I decided not to waste time, to act as a contractor and earn extra money.

You are an optimist ... to earn extra money from the Jews ...

[Pereira]

Are the kickbacks of the Jews no longer interested? Yes, you understand that I won't paint myself.

[Keyser soze]

Are the kickbacks of the Jews no longer interested?

They are already calling you ...

[Pereira]

Don't do it today. Today is Sunday.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Keyser Soze

I asked a Turk-Turk ...

look...……………..

https://vk.com/azeordusu?z=video-195918332_456239354%2F604b72709c4a8b4859%2Fpl_wall_-195918332

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Israel is three to four hundred years ahead of you, in technology and weapons.

Why have they written so little))))))))))))))) 400 hundred years))))))))))))) woohahaha

[Jager]

Why does Israel need your fruit? Jews and without you trade well with them.
In general, I haven't laughed like that at such pearls for a long time ...
Azerbaijani Islamists forced ISRAEL to strike at Islamic Iran.
With such opuses, even Navalny would neigh ...

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Jager

Why does Israel need your fruit?

What do you mean why? Why do Turkish and Arab hotels need all kinds of Natasha and Masha? Same question...

Quote: Jager

I haven't laughed like that for a long time

do you know who laughs well?)))))))))))))

[Jager]

Now, you are already starting to merge on the sly

[Safevi2020]

All these problems stem from how the borders were drawn in the USSR. If initially in the Soviet Union it did not really matter which administrative unit you belonged to, then later ...

They drew everything correctly and deliberately and drew for the good of Armenia. So there is no need to build a victim here from Armenia. So they drew that Azerbaijan lost first Irevan and then Zengezur.

WRITE THE TRUTH

[Pereira]

If you want to write the truth, then let's first talk about Cilicia and Tabriz.
And then we'll get to the little things.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Pereira

about Cilicia and Tabriz

What makes you think that Cilicia is an Armenian state? You are confusing country, nationality and people. And Tabriz is ours. But let's leave aside our not ours ..... The state of Cilicia was about 1000 years ago .... Are you ready to divide the whole world according to that era, especially Russia?))))) I thought that adequate people live in Russia)

[Pereira]

Exactly. And that's what I mean. If the story isn't interesting, let's write the truth about the present.
Armenians now live in NK. There are no Azerbaijanis there. You are not interested in history, and Armenians are not interested in you. It doesn't matter who and how drew the borders in the last century.
Azerbaijanis live in Iran. Are they eager to go to Azerbaijan? Didn't hear.
But they are eager to go to Moscow. Let's discuss the problem of reuniting Azerbaijanis with their homeland.

[Jager]

With the formation of the Azerbaijan region as part of the Russian Federation?

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Pereira

Let's discuss the problem of reuniting Azerbaijanis with their homeland.

I am for)

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Pereira

Azerbaijanis live in Iran. Are they eager to go to Azerbaijan? Didn't hear.

Forgive their sinners. Forgotten from Pereira (ask MIKHAIL))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Quote: Pereira

You are not interested in history

We've been talking about history for 30 years, but the Armenians don't want to. there they have problems with the archive. Did not know?

Quote: Pereira

and Armenians are not interested in you.

It seems so to you. Is that why many of them have Turkic surnames? Turkic dishes? they sing Turkic songs. eeeee Misha Misha)))))))))

[Pereira]

Logic is not your strong point.

[Senka naughty]

Aronchik is good at encryption

[Prahlad]

This dispute will be resolved only by a 1v1 fight, I think you shouldn't go in, let them figure it out themselves

[stalki]

This dispute will be resolved only by a 1v1 fight, I think you shouldn't go in, let them figure it out themselves

Do you think this dispute was provoked by one of the two participants? And should they be left alone?

[Senka naughty]

Quote: stalki

Do you think this dispute was provoked by one of the two participants? And should they be left alone?

Of course, this is Azerbaijan who is going to revive the Ottoman Empire, or at least they are being told so.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Senka Mad

Ottoman Empire

Safavid.

[Senka naughty]

I see you already on the machine the cons mold, why are you not so restrained. We need to be more careful. The Safavid Soviet Republic? Don't confuse me, I don't believe you, Erdogan is not a communist.

[tatra]

Well, in the morning I have been waiting for the enemies of the communists, as ALWAYS, cowardly to blame the communists for what they did themselves. The enemies of the communists will never surprise, they always have everything predictable.

[Tank hard]

Quote: tatra

will cowardly blame the communists for what they have done themselves.

Are you talking about Crimea, "northern Kazakhstan", Ukraine in general, and so on?

[Squelcher]

For the communists: all enemies - who do not adhere to their "truly correct" path.
Even the Trotskyists with the Bolsheviks and the Socialist-Revolutionaries overthrew the provisional government with pleasure, then the Trotskyists and the Bolsheviks destroyed the Socialist-Revolutionaries, then the Bolsheviks destroyed the Trotskyists. Then the Bolsheviks cleaned each other, knocking out teeth and breaking the ribs of the generals of the future Winners and designers of the conquerors of space.

[Jager]

Did the Trotskyists help the Bolsheviks to overthrow the tsar? In my opinion, "hawthorn" is enough for today.

[Squelcher]

And where did you see the king? Please do not attribute your delusions to others.

[Jager]

at least you "Trotskyists" have learned to write correctly. I generally keep quiet about the details.

[Squelcher]

If a person is powerless to refute the statement, either the truth or facts are unpleasant to him or he cannot but argue meaningfully. Or he just wants to show himself above the other person. Such people because of their vulnerability and weakness. Often they try to use the method of communicative suppression - "literacy correction", it seems to them that having pointed out a mistake, saying that he is "still illiterate", that is, worse than them. They create the illusion of their superiority, with side it looks funny and ridiculous.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Jager

Trotskyists

Quote: Jager

Bolshevik

Who cares?

[Jager]

I would say yes they will be banned.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Jager

I would say yes they will be banned.

Then be quiet.

[Okolotochny]

Don't get fooled. This local Gapon, then knocks and throws a complaint.

[Boris Afinogenov]

These are the problems of any empire. Not only the USSR. Africa, Middle East, Yugoslavia. Look at how many conflicts there are now over this "powder keg". And there it was not "evil scoops" who were drawing, but "civilized people".

And specifically about the USSR.

If the Union is not about Ukraine, Russia, the Balts or Georgians, but about the working class, then why the hell was the "nationality" column? It was just local separatism on ethnic grounds that destroyed that car.


The communists had no right to derban the Russian people against all sorts of Belarus and Ukraine. That's why they get a fat minus.

And personally, I'm now like I should be considered a Ukrainian. What, b ### b ?!

[Coconut]

Armenian radio ... how on the battlefield to understand where are our and where the enemies are .. very simple .. the enemies have a grenade in one hand in the other a snickers bar .. ours are holding a machine gun with both hands in the hope that they will get both snickers and a grenade ..

[Safevi2020]

The military command of Azerbaijan proposed to the Armenian command in the direction of Agdera to lay down their arms in order to avoid the complete destruction of the garrison located there and to prevent an increase in losses. This is stated in the statement of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.
The command of the Azerbaijani army also stated that prisoners of war and civilians would be treated in accordance with the requirements of the Geneva Convention and other norms of international law.
"In case of resistance, every armed person will be neutralized," the message says.

[Pereira]

And they were sent.
Sef, I see you've been stripped of your voting rights. I sympathize. But still I believe that the Armenian garrison sent yours.

[serzh.kost]

warlike Azeri bots on the internet are multiplying exponentially.
they wanted to live space and historical justice, somewhere I've already heard that. in the end, in the end, they usually get a piece of land 2 by 1 meter ...

[Safevi2020]

Quote: serzh.kost

warlike Azerbots

Azerbot?)))))))))) If not for the oil of Azerbots, your grandma in the pose of a running Egyptian woman in front of the Nazis would have stood ... Plebeian ungrateful

[serzh.kost]

Azerbots have learned to boast from the Turks and consider themselves the navel of the earth, no less)) but no matter how puffed up, the Turks will not consider them equal anyway.
You are some kind of tense falcon, and you will burn out quickly. from inconsistency with the expectations of reality, and then at least climb into the loop.
politicians need war, and your destiny is only to tear the vegetation on the body, for their goals and ambitions ...

[Safevi2020]

Quote: serzh.kost

Azerbots have learned

go kill

As a result of the military operation of the Azerbaijani troops in the direction of the Goranboy region, the Murov height was liberated, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry reported.

As a result of the operation, control was taken of the Vardenis-Agdere military road, which connects Armenia with the occupied territories of Azerbaijan.

The achieved military advantage makes it possible to prevent the transfer of additional military cargoes from Armenia in the direction of Kelbajar and Agdere.

Combat operations continue.

[Keyser soze]

As a result of the operation, the road was taken under control ...

The achieved military advantage allows ...

stop the transfer ...

And then the Russians will come and give such a slap in the face that you will forget which mother gave birth to you ...

[Jager]

If it were not for the USSR, or rather the "bloody commies", you would, like the rest of Central Asia, still collect fruits and graze sheep, which are still illiterate and clogged with baiyas, and not sit on the Internet.

[Not with you]

Well, how would all these republics
paid off the USSR ...
Standing shoulder to shoulder
with the Russians during the Second World War.
And you can ask ....
And the USSR could have withstood
against the Reich, if
again, no help
these "illiterate and downtrodden byi" ...?
The same Baku oil,
eg..

[Jager]

Who did the republics "pay off" to? As part of the USSR with ourselves? For reference, the Central Asian republics have always been subsidized, like the Baltics, like the Caucasus. They poured into them more than they contributed and contribute to the country's budget.
By the way, who explored, designed and built all these oil fields, remind you?
One can keep silent about the resistance of national formations during the Second World War, it is not for nothing that they were stopped at one time from being put into operation. And some of whom Joseph "for special merits" in general moved the whole staff closer to the Arctic Circle.
Central Asia and the Caucasus can only be kept

[Keyser soze]

They generally love sheep, especially more beautiful ones, so to speak .... laughing [/ quo
You will soon be banned.

Did you find a subtext in my words? Well, well .... it's a matter of your subconscious mind.

You are an interesting individual - a bad Bulgarian, but you know him, a good Russian .... What is there - Turkish intelligence? Amatera, like everything Turkish, is done through .... well, it’s very bad.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Sefevi2020

if it were not for the oil of Azerbots, your grandmother in the pose of a running Egyptian woman would stand before the Nazis ...

Hey, "smart guy" have you ever read the history of the development of oil production in Azerbaijan .... there Azerbaijanis were not even close to the word at all ...

The beginning of industrial oil processing dates back to the middle of the 1872th century, when Baku became the largest oil region in Russia. With the abolition of oil ransoms in 1877, an accelerated development of the oil business took place, which significantly intensified since September 1888, when the excise tax (until XNUMX) on oil products was abolished. The abolition of the excise tax contributed to the rapid growth of oil production in Azerbaijan. Over the next forty years (until 1917), more than 3 thousand wells were drilled in Absheron, of which about 2 thousand produced oil. However, even before the abolition of the buyout, serious attempts were made to develop the oil business. So, the first oil refineries were built in Mozdok brothers Dubinin (serfs of Countess Panina) and in 1837engineer N.I. Voskoboinikov in the Baku village of Balakhany, but the case was not completed.
In 1858 - 1859 Baron N.E. Tornau, V.A. Kokorev and P.I. Gubonin the first oil refinery on the German model for processing kira (asphalt) is being built in the Baku village of Surakhany, not far from the temple of fire worshipers. The goal is to obtain lighting oils from tarry shale, but the results were unsatisfactory, and the kir was replaced with oil, which gave good lighting oil. An outstanding German chemist Justus Liebigwho sent to Baku especially for this his assistant K. Engler.
In December 1863 already in Baku itself Javad Melikov built a kerosene plant and for the first time in the world history of oil refining he used refrigerators in the distillation process. The famous Russian oil industrialist V.I. Ragozin described D. Melikov as follows: “Like all people who were possessed by an idea, in every undertaking he saw only a means to embody the idea and seemed to the Bakuvians an eccentric and strange person. Still it would not seem strange when a person was not looking for profit, having given up to the last penny everything that he had, without thinking about yesterday, just to achieve the goal. In the history of the development of technical industries, we often meet with such eccentrics who give impetus to industries, move them forward, but they themselves remain out of business and die in poverty and obscurity, and the crowd, who did not trust them and laughed at them, takes possession of what was created on their basis property ”.
The founder of the kerosene and paraffin production in Baku and Grozny D. Melikov, unable to withstand the competition with large industrialists in oil refining, died in poverty, forgotten by everyone.
First a borehole in Absheron was drilled in 1844 by mining engineer F. Semenov in the village of Bibi-Heybat and gave a good debit. However, Semyonov's report about this to General A. Neidgart on December 22, 1844 did not receive due attention. Nevertheless, the beginning of drilling deep oil wells was laid precisely here, on the shores of the Caspian Sea in the settlements of Bibi-Heybat and Balakhani, and only a few years later (in 1859) after the first initiative of the Baku people, deep wells began to be drilled in Pennsylvania (USA) ......

http://xn--80aa2bkafhg.xn--p1ai/22958/Bakinskoe-neftyanoe-delo-do-1917-g.
My grandmother stood to death with the soldiers and officers in the 50th Army defending Tula in the most difficult times of the USSR, then she took Konigsberg and Vienna, where your grandmother was at that time, and where would you be if it were not for my grandmother .. ...
They didn’t want to live humanly as part of the Union in better conditions than I did in the RSFSR, soon you will put out your oil lines, because the Armenians did not go far from yours and they also did not like at one time to live in better conditions than in the RSFSR and the BSSR ...

Plebeian ungrateful

[Operator]

Javad Melikov is an Armenian, if anything.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Operator

Javad Melikov is an Armenian, if anything.

Well, it is clear that not - Ogly ... there is a German indicated ...

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Lara Croft

Hey, "smart guy" have you ever read the history of the development of oil production in Azerbaijan .... there Azerbaijanis were not even close to the word at all ...

well, yes ... also say that Farman Salmanov is not an Azerbaijani)
You are not a grateful people! During the Second World War, how much help was sent to you, people, oil, and much more ..... My will, I would give you an account. Moreover, there is an American base on the border with Russia. You do everything so that enemies surround you, only this time there are no 15 republics. REMEMBER THIS. And your strength is grabbing for dwarf countries like Georgia. Are you thin with China? You already speak Chinese in Siberia)

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Sefevi2020

You are not a grateful people!

I personally, like the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and the Russian Federation, owe nothing to Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan appeared and exists thanks to the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and the Russian Federation, t.s. artificial education ...

During the Second World War, how much help was sent to you, people, oil, and much more ...

If you want to measure the size of the contribution that the RSFSR made to the victory in the Great Patriotic War, it’s better not to be right, after all, no one forced you into the USSR and you were not included in it alone, but as a Kagol with two other rogues of the same kind ... so you also came out with cheerful enthusiasm and hooting, having previously committed a massacre in Baku ... where not only Armenians, but also representatives of other peoples were slaughtered, well, I will not be particularly upset if Armenians or Persians arrange the same massacre in Baku. ..

I would like to give you the bill.

Come on, come on, those who were before you with invoices to pay the Russian Federation have already sent ...

only this time there are no 15 republics. REMEMBER THIS.

So all these 15 republics would not exist in nature, if not for the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR ... or maybe Azerbaijan lived worse than the RSFSR ...

And your strength is grabbing for dwarf countries like Georgia. Are you thin with China?

Teach some young man, in 1812 RI defeated the most powerful army in Europe, in 1941-1945. The USSR repeated this, if you want to repeat all this again with your Masters, you are welcome ...
By the way, unlike you, three marshals of the Soviet Union came out of the Armenians ...

Are you thin with China?

So all of Transbaikalia, Primorye and part of Siberia are former China, I did not know if ... however, the PRC also exists, like Azerbaijan, thanks to the USSR, and there, unlike you, remember it ...

You already speak Chinese in Siberia)

Can you even find her on the map? I think your traders have nothing to do there ...
In general, you work clumsily here, if your editorial task is weak, if you ... in short, do not come to the cashier tomorrow, you work clumsy, only your eyes sting ...

[Not with you]

So much for a family of nations.
So much for good neighborly
relations.
Now Azerbaijan and Armenia.
And before that, Ukraine and Georgia ...
So go on ...

[standan]

So it is not necessary, damn it, then you climb here, Censor to help you, there are all your

[NF68]

Well, you need to blame everything only on the USSR. Many problems in the Caucasus arose long before the USSR appeared on the world map.

[tatra]

Yes, the enemies of the Bolshevik communists for half of the 103 years after the October Revolution unleashed wars on the territory of the USSR - first, together with the invaders of their homeland, the invaders and the Nazis, in the 20-30s, 50s against Soviet power, after they seized the republics of the USSR - against each other. And they always cowardly "have nothing to do with it", they always have others to blame for the fact that they destroy, destroy, kill.

[NF68]

Quote: tatra

Yes, the enemies of the Bolshevik communists for half of the 103 years after the October Revolution unleashed wars on the territory of the USSR - first, together with the invaders of their homeland, the invaders and the Nazis, in the 20-30s, 50s against Soviet power, after they seized the republics of the USSR - against each other. And they always cowardly "have nothing to do with it", they always have others to blame for the fact that they destroy, destroy, kill.

Kind uncles from Western countries have been playing dirty tricks, including Russia, even before 1917.

[Tank hard]

All these problems stem from how the borders were drawn in the USSR. If initially in the Soviet Union it did not really matter which administrative unit you belonged to, then later ... It was the same when the Russian peninsula of Crimea was handed over to Ukraine overnight.

There is such a thing. And how much Russian land was given to the national republics when they were drawn on the world map? Thanks to the leadership of the USSR. But, oddly enough, in the national republics they hate communists, strange ...

[Not with you]

And how much did they take?
Well, from sports
interest?)))

[Tank hard]

Quote: Not with you

And how much did they take?

I will answer with a question, what were once in history such states as Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus, with such historical names and within such boundaries as now? Huh? Pull yourself together, start educating yourself good, well, read something there. That is, there is one village not far from such (well, purely Kazakh) city as Petropavlovsk, where our ancestral home is located, in which the village club is still located (the largest house there was). This house was requisitioned by the Bolsheviks at one time, as and land, a mill, herds of cattle and a herd of horses. They were requisitioned in Russia, and now it is Kazakhstan. So they took it ...

[tatra]

First, there is no need to LIE, even despite the fact that the Bolsheviks gave independence to YOU, their Finnish and Polish enemies, and YOU, during the Soviet-Polish and two Soviet-Finnish wars unleashed by YOU, seized Russian territories, the territory of the USSR increased by compared with the territory of Ingushetia. And so it would have been so far, if YOU had not captured the USSR, and would not have divided it among yourself. And the enemies of the communists still seriously thought that they, with their complete lack of a sense of responsibility for what they had done, were worthy to rule the country.

[Tank hard]

Quote: tatra

First, there is no need to LIE, even though the Bolsheviks gave YOU independence

My ancestors were independent and before the Bolsheviks, the Bolsheviks ended their independence. Stop using it, it's bad for your health.

[U-58]

What we can agree with is very difficult boundaries.
But they were not drawn from the bulldozer. This is another complex ethno-political incident ..

[Humpty]

Quote: U-58

What we can agree with is very difficult boundaries.
But they were not drawn from the bulldozer. This is another complex ethno-political incident ..

They drew from the bulldozer. And this will someday affect not only where it has already rumbled.

[Irek]

The Turks are dragging Mamedov, the ares are listening, and we have to rake it, as in previous times.

[bald]

And across the ocean, specialists and those responsible for conflicts are shaking hands. And what Pashinyan did for a long-burning conflict - nothing. They want to get drunk with grief on both sides - but no question. Only then you will not have to light candles and prayers and read. Where is your mind. Only late already.

[parusnik]

The guys are cut out of principle. The issues are solvable. But they do not want to be resolved peacefully. A war is usually a continuation of internal politics.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: parusnik

But they do not want to decide peacefully.

and what with the world have you decided? which conflict was resolved with words and dialogue? Can you tell me?

[Jager]

That you lived relatively peacefully for 20 years, and did not hurt each other.

[AshPoseidon]

Now proposals from the West to introduce a UN peacekeeping mission into the region will pour in.

[Vadim237]

I am more than sure - the West will not give a damn about this conflict as it was before, and now and even more so, the West now has its own problems in bulk.

[Fon elia]

And here how the boundaries were drawn. Before the Russian Empire, before the USSR, Karabakh was a khanate. With the capital Khankyandi. With a Muslim population before joining Russia in 1828. After that, Russia began to change the population of the region. Diluting with Armenians from Persia. And this happened until the collapse of the USSR. Even at the beginning of the 20th century, the Muslim (Turkic) population prevailed in Yerevan. So there is no need to tell fairy tales.

[Safevi2020]

Now, with foam in their mouths, those who do not know history will minus you. Plus from me

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Now, with foam in their mouths, those who do not know history will minus you. Plus from me

Aronchik is your fellow student from the historical account or another account ??

[paul3390]

Yes, you do not know who. The state of Azerbaijan was created by the Bolsheviks, before them there was no independent state on this territory, just as there was no Azerbaijanis. And a bunch of other peoples lived mixed up, starting with the Iranians of the Medes and ending with the Seljuk Turks .. And only the Soviet government created an artificially new people and a new country.

[serzh.kost]

now he will tell you that Azerland is a state with two thousand years of history, how they fought with the army of Tutankhamun. Ukrainians taught, exchange of experience through cooperation.
but no, as expected for a long time it was not enough, quickly burned out in a patriotic frenzy. well, nothing, registers another Safavid and again into battle.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Fon Elia

After Russia began to change the population of the region. Diluting with Armenians from Persia. And this happened until the collapse of the USSR.

I hesitate to ask and diluted according to the order? How much were Armenians bought in Persia? Or maybe the process of resettlement was nevertheless a natural one. People tend to move where it is good for them to live.

[Ros 56]

I am not strong in the history of Karabakh, maybe someone knows - how old is this conflict and what is the matter there in reality, aren't the Turks throwing wood into the fire there?

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Ros 56

I am not strong in the history of Karabakh, maybe someone knows - how old is this conflict and what is the matter there in reality

since the time of the ugly one you had the emperor Peter .... who settled the Armenians in the Caucasus. Then there was silence. And then another uuroooddd Stalin deported Muslims from their ancestral lands ... Iravan. Present Armenia. And then under the king, the KARABAKH doctrine. Transition to the jurisprudence of Russia. Not in one international treaty ... ... ... not in one. YOU WILL NOT FIND not a word about the Armenians, but because the victims were the original inhabitants, i.e. Azerbaijanis. Despite all this, we began to live in the USSR, even helped too much with the Nazis ... what in the end? Instead of thanks and sorry for the past .... in the 90th in January, your tanks drove through my people. ALEYA SHAKHIDOV was created. Thank you. BUT never forget .... what you sow is what you will reap. But even this seemed a little to you, you helped the Armenians to occupy our lands in Karabakh .... I’m silent already about the fact that you also attracted DERBEND with us. God is your judge.

[Ros 56]

Oh, dear, judging by the text you still live in the Middle Ages and with the writing of the trouble, you have not yet learned all the letters and syllables. Well, as you jump from a tree, even if you go to primary school or something.

[Zaurbek]

The problems of formation of the CIS countries are precisely from this .... these countries did not exist. In the place of Central Asia there was Turkestan with tails inside ... in the place of the Transcaucasus there was the Transcaucasian region ... and there and there people lived interspersed. Borders to outline in the USSR.

[Livonetc]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Quote: parusnik

But they do not want to decide peacefully.

and what with the world have you decided? which conflict was resolved with words and dialogue? Can you tell me?

Transnistria.
Stopped by a word.
The word was spoken by the Russian general Lebed.
Until now, the world.
And Russia cannot surrender Armenia to Azerbaijan.
By the way.
If Russia leaves Armenia, Azerbaijan and Karabakh will not see problems and problems will be right up to the tonsils.
The Americans will be there immediately.
And Turkey's trump card will immediately depreciate.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Livonetc

If Russia leaves Armenia, you will not see Karabakh either, and there will be problems right up to your tonsils, where the Americans will immediately appear.

As 30 years of history has shown, if we are not in Karabakh, then we will not let them live in peace in Karabakh.

Quote: Livonetc

The word was spoken by the Russian general Lebed.

what kind of Swan are you talking about? Who flew in disgrace to Chechnya to save the Russian army from shame during the first campaign?

[Zaurbek]

You are wrong. The Turks will come and jointly slaughter all the Armenians ..... some will be saved in Russia and Georgia. This story has already happened.

[APASUS]

This is purely my opinion, but I'm sure this is the answer to this blow!

When we consider the Americans to be boobies, we immediately receive a blow in the gut in response. Now Russia will have to make a choice. Between a reliable economic partner (Baku) and its obligations under the CSTO

[Ryaruav]

the Bolsheviks were mistaken in their stupid internationalism, nothing good came of it, but as always the Russian people suffered, but why should we

[iouris]

In the USSR, this was impossible and inconceivable, and therefore they drew at random. And now no one is innocent: such is the fate.

[Vadim237]

In the USSR, they simply did not think about it, they did not decide such issues for the future. "What if tomorrow" - publicity appeared and all peoples released what had accumulated over the decades.

[Zaurbek]

Tomorrow was supposed to be a world revolution ....... but Russians and Ukrainians, with the support of Belarusians, destroyed the USSR.

[boriz]

"These problems stem from how the borders were drawn in the USSR"
Were the western countries better cut? The British, leaving India so cut so that until now two nuclear powers, Pakistan and India, are periodically at war.

[iouris]

Quote: boriz

Were the western countries better cut?

These are two different things. They tell you that Russia and the Russians are colonialists. It follows from this that the Russians behaved in the "colonies" just like the British.
"Nation states" emerged during the era of early capitalism. The problem is not in the boundaries, but in the fact that they tried to erect "national capitalism" on the ruins of developed socialism. In practice, the continuation of this "construction" will lead to the fact that all the "nation states" that lingered in early capitalism will disappear. The real colonizers will come. This applies to everyone.

[standan]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Well, when that was yours too ...... Crimea in its meaning the word comes from the Turkic word KYRYM - rock .... So .... no matter how big disappointment awaits you ... even more, look at the map around who are your neighbors ...... all its time amigo ....

Since ancient times, the name Tavrik (Greek Ταυρικῆ) has been assigned to the peninsula, derived from the name of the most ancient tribes of Tavrs who inhabited the southern part of Crimea. The modern name "Crimea" began to be widely used only after the XIII century, presumably after the name of the city "Kyrym", which after the capture of the Northern Black Sea coast by the Mongols was the residence of the governor of the Khan of the Golden Horde. It is also possible that the name “Crimea” came from the Perekop Isthmus (the Russian word “perekop” is a translation of the Turkic word “qirim”, which means “moat”). During the existence of the Genoese colonies of Taurida (1266-1475), the peninsula was called the Office of Romania, as well as Genoese Gazaria, by the middle of the 15th century. in view of the large number of Armenians, who by 1400 made up 2/3 of all residents of the possessions of the Genoese Republic in Crimea, the peninsula in the sources of that time began to be called Maritime Armenia (Armenia Maritime) or Greater Armenia (Armenia Magna).

The etymology of the word “Kyrym” is unclear, and there are several versions of its origin:

Distortion of the ancient name of the Cimmeria Peninsula (lat. Cimmerium)
From the ancient Türkic word * qurum ("defense, defense")
From the ancient Greek κρημνοί (flint, "rocks")

Since the 1783th century, the Crimean peninsula began to be called Tavria, and after its annexation to Russia in XNUMX - Tavrida. The same name was given to the entire Northern Black Sea region - the northern coast of the Black and Azov Seas with the adjacent steppe territories.

This is for self-education. As for Crimea, everyone who came there to expel the Russians was so shocked that Mama did not grieve, and if you think that they have forgiven our dryness with tomatoes, you are deeply mistaken. Look, don't dry out Constantinople, otherwise Baba Vanga said the city will be Russian, but we don't mind.

[solzh]

Turkey is trying to increase its influence by using Muslim co-religionists in the region. This applies not only to the Caucasus, but also to Syria and Libya.

Correctly said. It is Turkey that is to blame for the new aggravation in Nagorno-Karabakh.

[Gado]

Quote: Hwostatij

Ethnic cleansing is now difficult to carry out

You tell the Serbs in Kosovo this, they will believe you.

[Newven]

This is the problem of the voluntarism of individual leaders in the national policy of the USSR! Many national entities and regions were annexed to other entities by a sole decision. After the collapse of the USSR, national formations, which absorbed other regions in the process of "national-territorial" evolution, forgot that these regions were part of the Russian Empire and the USSR as an independent entity.
All this, not only gave rise to problems in Central Asia, the Caucasus, Transcaucasia and Ukraine, but also led to a massive genocide of other peoples living in these republics at the time of the existence of the USSR.

[Procopius Nesterov]

Even after losing power, the communists bring sorrow and war to the countries of the former USSR. On the issue of Crimea, when they simply stole it from Russia in 1954. When, after the Revolution, Donbass was given to Ukraine. We cut the borders and gave entire regions as they wanted.

[Arthur]

https://youtu.be/i4h8yahmxVc

[Dzafdet]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Quote: mister-red

Crimea, it seems, was also Ukrainian. Some time.

Well, when that was yours too ...... Crimea in its meaning the word comes from the Turkic word KYRYM - rock .... So .... no matter how big disappointment awaits you ... even more, look at the map around who are your neighbors ...... all its time amigo ....

No, don't wait. we will rename it to Tavria. And that's it, walk Vasya ...

[yehat2]

about "drawing borders in the USSR" it is worth recalling what the country was before the formation of the USSR and on what conditions it annexed its neighbors. Then such stupid phrases will cease to sound.
Borders were drawn before the formation of the USSR
just like Donbass suddenly became Ukraine, but did not know what the USSR was

[Alexfly]

What do you want? While the Union was, all these issues were resolved at the level of secretaries general, then while Russia was still strong and had weight on the political map, they also listened to it and tried to solve it, but now, after all the revolutions and coups of the elites, the vassal heads choose other patrons. And the reason for this is the collapse of the USSR, whatever one may say ...