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Survco: credit card survival hatchet

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An ax, a hacksaw for wood, a shovel, an arrowhead or spearhead, and much more are all a small multitool that fits in one of your wallet compartments.


This product is protected by a patent and is manufactured by a small company "SurvCo" from the USA.

The founder of the company is considered to be a retired military man and, according to rumors, veteran hotspots John Cowan (John Cowan). On one of the websites, John Cowan indicated that he was sending orders from the town of Fort Mitchell, Alabama.

The main part of the tool is a metal plate weighing about 80 grams and measuring 8.57 x 5.39 cm. The plate is made of AISI 304 * stainless steel. Its dimensions practically coincide with the format of a bank card, according to the ISO 7810 standard. Therefore, the manufacturer recommends storing the Survco multitool in a wallet. The tool will always be at hand and at the same time avoids accidental injury.

(The analogue of AISI 304 in Russia is steel grade 08x18n10 - food grade stainless steel.)


Survco multitool on smartphone background

In most cases, a wooden shaft or shaft is required to use the tool. For this, the product is attached to a suitable stick or branch using a nylon cord of the "Paracord" type. Alternatively, you can use plastic ties (clamps).

I note that both mounting options have their own nuances and difficulties.

Functionality


The advertisement says that the Survco multitool is capable of replacing a set of tools with a total weight of about 9 kg (20 lb). It claims 21 useful functions in one small product. I propose to proceed to their study and discussion.

Survco: credit card survival hatchet

Survco multitool functionality diagram. Below is the translation into Russian

1) Tomahawk - Tomahawk.
2) Hatchet - Ax.
3) Knife - Knife.
4) Scraper / Chisel - Scraper.
5) Skinner - Skinner.
6) Shoulder - Shovel.
7) Straight cutter - Seatbelt cutter.
8) Bottle opener - Bottle opener.
9) Water valve wrench.
10) Gas key - Gas valve wrench.
11) 8mm spanner - 5/16 "Socket.
12) 5mm spanner - 1/2 "Socket.
13) Nail puller - Nail puller.
14) Arrowhead - Arrow.
15) Tip for a spear - Spear.
16) Head for throwing arrows and darts - Atlatl.
17) Hacksaw for wood - Saw.
18) 6,35mm spanner - 1/4 "Socket.
19) Spanner 9,5 mm - 3/8 "- Socket.
20) 11,11mm spanner - 7/16 "Socket.
21) Slotted screwdriver (flat) - Flat heat driver.


Tomahawk - obvious archaism in this survival kit.

The tomahawk with a point on the butt refers to boarding axes. Similar were used on navy or carpenters.

A sharp point on the butt was also equipped with a pick (from the word beak) for inflicting point strikes. With its beak-shaped protrusion, the cleaver was able to pierce almost all types of armor.

The author only goes on picnics in the park, so he doesn't see any benefit from the tip on the butt of a tomahawk. For climbers as an ice ax, it does not hold out, and for self-defense there are a lot of comments on it. However, the manufacturer positions it as a throwing weapons... In one of the videos, the manufacturer demonstrates that when throwing a tomahawk with its beak-shaped protrusion forward, the weapon sticks its “beak” into the target. Is it really possible to mortally wound the game in this way?

Perhaps you, dear reader, share your personal experience or notice some functionality in it.

Please write about this in the comments.

Hatchet differs from the tomahawk in the absence of a "beak" on the butt.

The leading edge of the Survco multitool plate is sharp. It acts as a blade for chopping wood. The plate can be attached to any sturdy stick that will act as an ax. For attachment to the "hatchet" there are corresponding holes that perform a double function, but more on that below.

Quite a useful tool for the traveler. The weight of the plate (up to 80 g) suggests that the tool is not designed for the most difficult jobs. Although this is not a full-fledged tourist ax, Survco should cope with the task of chopping branches for an overnight stay or a fire.

Knife / scraper / skinner... It uses the same sharpened edge of the Survco multitool plate that is used for chopping blows.

Most likely, when used as a knife and skinner, the stick is not tied to the plate, but held with two fingers. Ease of use will be questionable, since either the saw teeth or the edge of the sling cutter, which are located on the opposite edges of the multitool, will rest against the palm. In order not to injure your hands, the plate must at least be wrapped with some kind of rag.

For a scraper, the plate is best attached to a stick. For without a handle you won't work much, and your fingers aren't official either.


Using the Survco multitool as a scraper. Frame from the manufacturer's commercial

Hacksaw for wood - the side edge of the plate, on which the teeth are notched (about 6 cm).

They are only suitable for sawing wood. The length of the saw blade imposes restrictions on the thickness of the sawn timber. The author did not find a demonstration on the use of the Survco saw, but I am sure that it is better to attach the plate to the stick for convenience. After all, holding a metal plate in your hands, you cannot cut a lot of firewood.

Most likely, the multitool is inserted with the butt into the slot of the stick and used like a Japanese hand saw.


A set of Japanese hand saws. Apparently, the same way you need to use a wood saw from Survco

The working part of the saw from Survco is about 6 cm. Its length is clearly not enough for serious work for at least half an hour. This, of course, is better than nothing, but a branch thicker than 5 cm is unlikely to be cut down.

The author bought a folding Chinese garden saw for a few dollars. The length of the Chinese saw blade is about 18 cm, and it has been serving for several seasons when preparing firewood for the barbecue.

A BCB Commando wire saw can be used in place of the Survco saw. According to rumors, it was developed for the British special forces. It weighs only 10 grams and when folded can also be stored in your wallet. With the help of the BCB Commando, the author was able to cut a dry birch log with a diameter of 120 mm in about 1 minute. However, it is much more difficult to cut raw wood: the teeth are quickly clogged with raw sawdust.

Scapula will also come in handy on any hike.

Of course, a full profile trench will be difficult to dig. But digging a fire pit or a ditch around the perimeter of the hut is quite. Attach the Survco multitool plate like a hacksaw for wood: with a butt in the slot of the stick.

The sapper blade is more efficient to work, but it is much heavier and takes up much more space.

I will add that I had to dig small holes with a stick, a plastic bottle and a shard of glass. It would be nice if I had such a multitool plate in my wallet.


The manufacturer demonstrates the working part of the "blade". Frame from the manufacturer's commercial

Sling cutter useful not only in the air, but also on land, and even in water.

It is used by parachutists, climbers, divers, sailing enthusiasts. The strap cutter will be useful not only in sparsely populated areas, but also in urban areas. After all, they can cut the car's seat belt to free the injured person in an accident, rip the clothes to examine the wounded, or cut a boot if the foot is broken.


Survco's safety type multi-tool sling cutter has some drawbacks. The tool cannot be grabbed quickly and with one hand; it does not have a comfortable grip to hold. In addition, the presence of cullet suggests itself.

Better than nothing, but in this respect, folding knives for the rescue services look more avant-garde. They are equipped not only with piercing and cutting tools, but also with a sling cutter, cullet and even a clip-type fastener.

Bottle opener - the same curly cut, which acts as a sling cutter.

Many modern people buy drinks in glass bottles less often than in plastic bottles or metal cans. Agree, the idea of ​​taking on a hike a box of cola or beer in a glass container will not occur to everyone. At least, it is unlikely for "our" person.

Curious fact... A wine-making company from Moldova has conducted a serious marketing research on the topic "Wishes of potential customers regarding packaging."

It turned out that young consumers are of little interest in the classics. A considerable part of the respondents were inclined to any drinks in metal containers.

As a result, the company has established the production of even ... sparkling wine (champagne) in 0,25 liter aluminum cans. Since 2018, champagne in cans has been exported from Moldova to the USA and China in significant quantities.

Returning to the bottle openers, I can add that, theoretically, with a multitool from Survco you can try to open jars of pickled cucumbers or squash caviar. This is in theory, since the manufacturer from the United States did not claim such a possibility.

After all, a bottle can be opened without an opener in many ways. For this, any ledge (stump, channel, edge of a bench, table, rail, etc.) will do. Also, the bottle can be opened with a lighter, another bottle, a belt buckle, a carabiner, a coin, a wedding ring. There are also barbaric ways: to beat off the neck "in a hussar style" or simply with teeth (not recommended).

If you know of other ways to open bottles, write in the comments.

Conclusion: for a modern person, an opener is not at all obligatory and even useless. However, let it be. Moreover, she absolutely does not pull a pocket.

Water / gas wrench - V-notch in the center of the Survco multitool plate.

Roughly speaking, this is the empty area from which the spearhead has been carved. And it was decided to adapt it to something. According to the manufacturer's idea, the multitool can open / close the water (or gas) supply in the absence of a lamb on the mixer (or gas cylinder).

Purely theoretically, you can also unscrew the head of the crane-axle box, but it is better to check it in practice. I doubt Survco will be able to unscrew tight or rusted parts.

The disadvantages are the same as in the "knife" or "scraper" mode. Holding the tool with your bare hands gives you a chance to injure yourself with the saw teeth or with the edge of a sling cutter.

Clipper - the same triangular cutout in the center of the plate.

More precisely, the top of the triangle. With the Survco Multitool, you can rip out small nails with a strong head. I doubt that it will be able to remove nails 50-55 mm or more long. Long nails can only be pulled out by half. And then try to shake it with your hands and pull it out completely. It will be lucky if the board turns out to be half rotten. Otherwise, pulling a long nail out of a sturdy tree will be problematic.

I believe the Survco nailer is effective when working with fasteners no longer than 20-30mm.


Using the Survco multitool as a nailer. Frame from the manufacturer's commercial

The disadvantages are the same: it is better to wrap the tool with a rag, otherwise you can get hurt.

Fans of the game "Stalker" will argue that for survival in post-apocalypse conditions, a crowbar nail will be more useful. Like, it is more powerful and versatile. After all, they can open locked drawers, cabinets, front doors, cars, etc. Even in the real world, online stores offer similar products.

What can you say ... To each - his own!

Spear tip can be useful both for fishing and for hunting small game. For a spear, you need to choose a strong stick of suitable length, which will serve as a shaft.

To fish, it is advisable to find a reservoir with clear water, in which the fish is visible against the background of the bottom. Or there should be so many fish near the shore with muddy water that wherever you stick it, you will still end up in the fish.

You can try your luck in spearfishing, but even here the water must be clear enough to notice an approaching fish a few meters away.

The chances of a fisherman will increase if the "affected area" is increased. For this purpose, a tip in the form of a bundle of pointed branches is attached to the shaft. So the product will resemble a Hawaiian spear. In this case, there is no need for a Survco tip.

Hunting with a spear involves prey in the form of wild rabbits, pigeons, quails and partridges, as well as waterfowl. We will not touch on such concepts as "hunting season", "protected area", "protected species" and "animal protection", since we are talking about survival.

Arrowhead also useful for hunting small game, and at a stretch - and for fishing.

Making a quality bow and arrow is the most difficult process outlined above. Of course, after hunting and fishing. Agree that such activities require both skill and a little luck.

As a child, many of us made bows and arrows, but for playing Indians. Then it didn’t matter where and how the arrow would fly. However, every little thing matters if a person has matured and found himself in an extreme situation. After all, then the shooting should be conducted according to the principle "One arrow - one life." Either the hunter or the game will survive.

There are several important points to note.

The length of the classic bow is 66 or 68 inches (1,67 or 1,72 cm). That is, it is advisable to focus on these parameters and make a bow with a length of about human height.

In order to give the bow a curved shape, weapons made from a freshly cut branch must dry in a bent state during the day. And only then apply for shooting.

The arrow length for a classic bow is about 80 cm.

The destructive power of a bow made from scrap materials may not be great. And the accuracy of the hit depends on the quality of the arrows and the experience of the shooter.

Not everyone succeeds in making high-quality bows and arrows. After all, the bow must be strong and tight, and the arrow must fly quickly and accurately on target!

Most likely, aimed shooting will be possible at a distance of 3-7 meters.

By the way, before the start of the competition, archers conduct qualifying shooting at distances of 18 and 25 meters.

The body of the arrow should be made of straight and even branches of deciduous trees (for example, birch) or bamboo shoots with a diameter of 6-8 mm.

I recommend that you practice making arrows and bows first at home. In this case, you will acquire the necessary skills and an understanding will arise about what materials to use, what dimensions and solutions are optimal, at what distance the weapon is effective, etc.

It is better to attach the Survco head to the arrow body with the help of the Paracord. Unlike zip ties, cord wrapping gives the boom a more regular shape, which affects speed and flight path.


Arrowhead from Survco, tied roughly with a nylon cord. The arrow will fly, losing speed, and the trajectory will be unstable

Next, the arrow needs to be attached to the plumage, and, ideally, also the shank.

The plumage serves to stabilize the arrow in flight, and the shank holds the arrow on the bowstring during tension and does not allow the arrow body to crack.

For plumage, you need to find the flight feathers from the wing of a bird, cut them to the desired shape and attach to the arrow. To consolidate them, you need certain skills and patience.

The plumage of arrows from the 17th century consisted of 2-3 feathers (less often 4 or 6). In an extreme situation, even 2 feathers are justified. Otherwise, the process of making an arrow threatens to drag out. To save time, in the absence of high-quality glue and a machine, the cut parts of the pen can simply be tied to the shaft with a thread, as shown in the picture below. To prevent the threads from being damaged and untied, it is recommended to seal them with resin of coniferous trees. The resin can be melted on a knife (or stick), and while it is warm, cover the threads and let them dry.


A plumage consisting of 3 feathers. Pay attention to the attachment of the feathers to the shaft

It is even easier to make a type of plumage, which some sources call "Bushman". In this design, the feathers are attached to the arrow shaft only with their front part.


Plumage "Bushman" type

Bird feathers may not be at hand. In this case, the feathering for the boom can be made of polypropylene twine, which must be fluffed first. Such a plumage is called "screw" in some sources. Its meaning is that the twine threads arranged in a spiral give the arrow a rotational motion. And rotation affects accuracy, since the arrow flies in a spiral and follows the trajectory necessary for the archer.

However, all these wisdom and calculations will work if all the details are close to ideal.

The twine can be replaced with nettle fiber. Nettle plumage is less durable than propylene, but people write that it is enough for two dozen shots. In the absence of polypropylene twine or nettles, you can try using hemp twine or the same paracord. The author did not find reliable data on the use of a parachute cord as an arrow feather, but this is better than nothing.


In the photo above: hemp twine as plumage. Bottom photo: polypropylene plumage. Notice how the shank is secured

The plumage can also be made from a plastic bottle. To do this, the plastic is cut into parts, as indicated below. The tail part of the boom must be cut into 4 parts, and plastic parts of the tail are inserted into the cuts. Then tie the boom both in front of and behind the tail, in the area of ​​the shank. And in this case, it is advisable to seal the threads with pine needles resin.
On the survival forums, participants wrote that the plumage from the bottle can damage the hand with which the shooter holds the bow.


Homemade plumage kits from a plastic bottle for 3 arrows. Still from the video (Vitaly Ignatyuk)

Fishing with a bow is called bowfishing. For bowfishing, special fishing arrows are used without feathers, but with tips in the form of a harpoon. In addition, in order not to lose the arrow, it is recommended to tie it with a fishing line to the spool on the bow.

Therefore, the Survco arrowhead is not particularly suitable for hunting fish due to its specific shape. Nevertheless, with sufficient power of the bow, the accuracy of the shooter, as well as the transparency of the water, you can hunt fish even with a minimal set for survival.

Atlatl (Atlatl) - a primitive device for throwing darts and light spears.
It is older than the bow. Some researchers claim that they hunted with it 24-30 thousand years ago. It was brought to North America about 12 thousand years ago. The name "Atlatl" (at-latal or atal-atal) has come down to our days from the Aztecs, since the time of the Spanish conquest of Mexico. With its help, the Aztecs hunted for fish, and fired at enemies. Moreover, the effective range of the throw reached 50 meters.

Its analogs (amera, wumera, curruk) were known among different peoples and on different continents. By the way, some tribes and peoples continue to use them on an equal basis with bows and arrows, especially in Mexico and the Arctic.

The atlatl is a stick or a plank with a length of 30-60 cm. One end of it is equipped with a short stop in the form of a clove. The blunt end of a light spear, which is equipped with a recess for fixing it, is pushed onto the tooth.

Before throwing the javelin, the javelin thrower squeezes the atlatl in his palm, with the thumb and forefinger of the same hand he holds the javelin attached to it. Then he makes the maximum swing, and with force throws his hand forward. During the throw, he opens those fingers with which he holds the spear pressed against the "throwing board". The spear flies away, but the atlatl remains in the hand.
It has been proven that the atlatl increases the initial speed of the javelin and its range by lengthening the javelin's shoulder.


How to hold an atlatl


Step by step demonstration of how to use the atlatl

In terms of weight and dimensions, the used projectile is a cross between a spear and an arrow. As a rule, it is equipped with plumage. Its length varied in the range from 70 cm to 1.5 meters, and its diameter - from 1 to 3 cm. The dimensions of the projectile depended on the era, part of the world, field of application, height and build of the hunter, as well as the materials available.

Interesting facts
Nowadays, Western enthusiasts, using modern technologies and materials, make replicas more perfect than ancient ancestors.
As a result, the projectile speed was recorded at 93 miles per hour (150 km / h).
According to the terminology of the World Atlatl Association - throwing projectiles are called Atlatl Darts: darts. Therefore, a person who throws darts can be called a "dartsman".
In Russian, there is a term suitable for this projectile: "Sulica". And the person who throws them can be called a "thrower".
In modern Russian, Atlatl is called "Lance-thrower".
Such is the pun ...

The Survco multitool also includes Atlatl: a javelin / dart tip. This is the same sharp piece that is used to make the bow spear and arrow.

It should be noted that making an Atlatl is somewhat easier than making a bow. Let me emphasize that we are not talking about weapons for competition, but for survival: no "bells and whistles". To do this, pick up a stick with a side branch. Grind the protruding process in the form of a clove, as shown in the photo below. If you have a cord, make a lanyard. A loop draped over the wrist will prevent the atlatl from falling out of the hand. It will be especially useful when fishing.


How to make a primitive atlatl from scrap materials. Note the lanyard tied to the handle

Making a javelin / dart is not much different from making an arrow for a bow. The main difference between a dart is the presence of a recess on its blunt end in the form of a rounded shape, as well as a length of 1,2 meters or more. The author noticed that the length of many modern darts is almost equal to the height of its owner. However, there are also shells about 2 meters long.


Different types of plumage for javelin / dart. Note the indentation in the blunt end of the spear

In fact, there are a great many models of "throwing boards". Only members of the association from Indiana (USA) demonstrated more than 15 units at one of the exhibitions. However, in this article we are talking about survival, so the emphasis is on the most uncomplicated ones to make.


Spear throwers of various models at the Indiana Atlatl Association stand

For hunting fish, plumage for a dart can be omitted. After all, we are talking about short distances. It is much more important not to forget about the "light refraction" effect.


Remember the inscription on the mirrors of some foreign cars: "The objects that you see in the mirror are behind you." The fish is closer than you think ...

For more accurate aiming when hunting fish, you can use an auxiliary stick with a slingshot at the end. Use in the same way as a billiard cue stand (mother-in-law).


Fishing with a spear thrower and ... mother-in-law!

Game hunting involves hunting for birds and small animals. However, there are exceptions. But for this there must be a bunch of factors. But experienced hunters will tell you about this in more detail.

In 2009, the Missouri Department of Conservation legalized the ancient way of hunting. At that time, there were several people who hunted deer with the help of atlatl and darts. Among them was a woman (the first in the modern world). Her name is Dawn Wagner from Lincoln County, Missouri.

In total, in the United States, the authorities of three states have legalized "primitive hunting": Missouri, Nebraska and Alabama.


Modern Diana the Huntress with her Legal Prey

Paul Gragg from St. Charles County, Missouri, USA is an experienced hunter with over 40 years of experience. Since the age of 9, he has been involved in hunting mainly white-tailed (Virginia) deer. For the past 10 years, he has only used bows and muzzle-loading guns. By that time, Paul was already the record holder for hunting deer from a bow. In 2006, he shot an adult male with 16 horns! Their total length was about 4,4 meters (174 5/8 ").

At one of the exhibitions, Paul saw an outlandish weapon. It was an atlatl. They explained to him how it works, and in practice demonstrated the capabilities of the ancient weapon. In addition, at the exhibition, he learned that during the whole history Missouri has had no record of successful deer hunting with a spear thrower. The weapon impressed him news he got pissed off and Paul decided to try to open an account in state history. His choice fell on the Thunderbird atlatl from New York.

Any business takes practice. So Paul decided to master a new weapon in an impromptu shooting range. To this end, he put several bales of hay in the yard, and set a target on them: a pie plate. The trainings continued for 4 months. Every day, Paul threw darts at the target from 15 yards (13,7 meters) away. Gradually, his results improved, and he began to hit the target 3-4 times out of 6 throws.

Good when hitting a 12 "target at 15 yards (30-35 cm circle at 13-15 meters).

On the hunt, Paul Gregg took a 7 feet (2,13 meters) dart. The tip was hunting, with double-sided sharpening. The deer is a very sensitive animal, with a lightning-fast reaction. To make it more difficult for the animal to sense or find a hunter, hunting from a tower, near the bait area, is most effective. Skillfully located feeders over time accustom animals to the constancy and education of the so-called. trope. The advantage of such a hunt is that the hunter bothers the animal less and sees further.

Until that day, Paul had never thrown darts down from the tower. To confidently defeat the deer, it was required to hit the body in the area of ​​the shoulder blade. There are the heart and blood vessels, lungs and liver. In order not to frighten off the beast, it was necessary to wait for the moment when its head was completely behind the tree trunk. If the hunter sees even a corner of the deer's eye from behind the tree before shooting, then the deer will also see the hunter. Here he is so sharp-sighted.

Paul seized a moment when the deer turned its head to the right to lick its side. With this, he exposed a vital area of ​​his body. The hunter swung and threw the dart down. The projectile entered the body of the beast above the shoulder blade and penetrated into the chest. For hunters, such a shot is considered ideal and humane, since the beast does not have to suffer for a long time. The deer jumped, ran about 40 meters, stopped, staggered and collapsed dead.


Hunter Paul Gregg, who killed a large deer with a throwing spear

Let me emphasize that the deer was hunted by an experienced hunter with 40 years of experience. From childhood, he studied their habits, at first he was only present at the hunt and gained experience. Over time, he began to hunt deer on his own.

The author describes in such detail some points so that an inexperienced reader does not get the false impression that hunting a deer is an easy task.

However, there are other beasts as well. Not so big and not so sensitive. Let's not forget about fish in reservoirs. A novice "survivalist" is also capable of hunting them.

As you have seen from the article, making an atlatl is easier than making a bow and arrow. But the hunting process itself implies the presence of at least minimal skills.

No wonder they say: you can't take out a fish from a pond without difficulty.

Do you agree?

Spanners 5 / 6.5 / 8 / 9.5 and 11.11 mm from Survco's arsenal will be useful (possibly) once in a lifetime.

Since the kit is designed for survival, you will have to unscrew the bolts and nuts from the units that have been lying in the open for a long time. I doubt this will be an easy task.

According to the manufacturer's idea, the 6.35 mm (1/4 ") wrench can be used as a screwdriver bit holder. The picture below shows how convenient it is to use. In addition, to use the screwdriver bits, you must always carry them with you.


Twisting the screw with a bat from a screwdriver. Frame from the manufacturer's commercial

Screwdriver slotted (flat) completes the list of functions of the Survco multitool.

It is proposed to use the arrowhead petiole as the working area. It should be noted that the tool does not fit every screw. After all, the groove in the screw head can be narrower than the thickness of the plate from which the arrowhead is made. In addition, you have to hold the sharp tip with two fingers. How much can you spin or spin in this way?


Using an arrowhead to tighten the screw. Frame from the manufacturer's commercial

Survco's closest competitors are Adventur 2.0 and 3.0 multitools from MRF Multitools. They have twice as many functions. For example, you can assemble a sundial or a slingshot. The metal plate from which the tool is made is much thicker than that of the Survco. Therefore, they weigh more. The Adventur 3.0 multitool costs $ 45 as standard.


Adventur multitools from MRF

conclusions


Survco has a retail price of $ 29.99 and is shipping within the United States only. The manufacturer claims that the Survco multitool is capable of replacing 21 different tools. We have discussed each of them for suitability. It is common knowledge that nothing is perfect in the world. As you can see, the product from today's article is not without its drawbacks.

The author noted for himself a hatchet and a shovel. But even those will come in handy with a stretch: they are too small. It is better to think about more suitable dimensions and make things yourself.

Survco's features like a knife, screwdriver, opener are no substitute for the Victorinox knife that I have been carrying in my pants pocket for over 6 years. The wood saw did not impress me. As mentioned above, I am quite satisfied with a cheap Chinese folding hacksaw.

I would be grateful for your opinions and descriptions of my own experience in the comments.

Survco Multitool Features Overview



Making arrows from scrap materials



Atlatl: how to use it
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  1. 72jora72
    72jora72 3 October 2020 05: 46
    11
    An inexperienced person will simply cut his hands with this "miracle" instrument, and this is where it all ends.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 3 October 2020 06: 23
      11
      I would call this thing a suicide dream. wassat She's no good for anything else.
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 3 October 2020 12: 47
        +5
        Quote: Pilot
        I would call this thing, a suicide dream, wassat It is no good for anything else.

        Rather a suicide nightmare. She really won't be able to kill herself. You just cut your fingers.
        And in fact, this is just a toy from the "store on the couch" for office plankton: "Feel like Chinganchguk for $ 29.99 only with us, order today and get a bonus - a set of paints for applying a war paint on the face"
        All these multi-tools are not from the good life. A tool that can do everything cannot do anything properly. In addition, there may be very expensive things, and even then, only when there is no specialized tool at hand.
    2. Mister X
      3 October 2020 06: 41
      +6
      hi
      Quote: 72jora72
      An inexperienced person will simply cut his hands with this "miracle" tool

      I agree, which I repeatedly mention in the article
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 3 October 2020 07: 04
        +6
        This pribluda is a cross between "how interesting it is to spend time in the office" and "what to do before the rescuers arrive" yes "how to suffer a little longer before throwing back your hooves" for especially advanced individuals.
        Thanks for the info about the atlatl - I've never heard of it before!
        1. Mister X
          3 October 2020 07: 58
          +4
          Quote: dzvero
          Thanks for the info about the atlatl - I've never heard of it before!

          hi
          You are welcome!
          I didn't know myself, so I studied the question and shared info drinks
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 3 October 2020 19: 51
            0
            It's strange. I met a spear-thrower several times in books. Harrison in Eden is very accurately described. I read it in the early 90s. I met some other places.
            1. Mister X
              4 October 2020 07: 49
              +3
              Quote: garri-lin
              It's strange. I met a spear thrower several times in books. Harrison in Eden is very accurately described. I read it in the early 90s.

              It is impossible to read all the books in the world.
              Do you agree?

              For example, I found the RAP manual (1957) and studied it only in 2019.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 4 October 2020 08: 09
                +2
                I agree completely.
                1. Mister X
                  4 October 2020 08: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  I agree completely.

                  By the way, how do you like my description of the spear thrower?

                  I did not specifically mention the ropes, as they are more effective for "salvo" firing in areas.
                  It needs more space to apply it (like a sling).
                  And the shell is a little more difficult to make: more operations.
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 4 October 2020 08: 51
                    +3
                    The description is great. The facts and stories about modern hunting are very exciting. I would never have thought that people are so eager for the exotic. Hunting with a carbon bow is one thing. But so, in a simple way, with a small, light spear. Surprised.
                    1. Mister X
                      4 October 2020 09: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: garri-lin
                      The description is great.

                      Thank you!
                      It was not in vain that I selected every word repeat

                      Quote: garri-lin
                      I would never have thought that people are so eager for the exotic.

                      There are fans, they are not that few, but by no means millions.

                      My friend's son is passionate about historical reenactments.
                      Travels around the world with knightly armor.
                      I got my sister hooked on it.
                      Their dad almost howls: all this costs a lot, takes a lot of time and effort, and they study without much eagerness.
                      Mentally they are in the world of noble knights and noble lords ...
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 4 October 2020 09: 21
                        +1
                        Reconstruction is essentially a game. A kind of theater. But hunting is something different. A wounded animal can cripple. And there is nothing to beat. Here the authenticity threshold is much higher than that of reenactors.
                      2. Mister X
                        4 October 2020 09: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Reconstruction is essentially a game.

                        Quote: garri-lin
                        the threshold of authenticity is much higher

                        I agree.
                        But some argue that our whole life is a game.
                        Even Churchill spoke out on this matter.
                      3. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 4 October 2020 11: 08
                        +2
                        We are all trying to escape from reality and hide behind a different disguise. Someone is ashamed of this. Someone, on the contrary, makes it their own chip. There are few people who just can be themselves and enjoy life. We have lost this skill.
          2. DesToeR
            DesToeR 4 October 2020 09: 40
            +1
            Quote: Mister X
            For example, I found the RAP manual (1957) and studied it only in 2019.

            this is a mistake - in parentheses in the title of the book is written RDP, not RAP?
            1. Mister X
              4 October 2020 09: 49
              +2
              Quote: DesToeR
              this is a mistake - in parentheses in the title of the book is written RDP, not RAP?

              Either a bug or an OCR error while scanning.
              The following is already written correctly
  2. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 4 October 2020 00: 32
    0
    My opinion.
    Russian ax
    Why? ...
    ax porridge
    You can cook porridge ... But seriously - the "hero of the article" in 5 "functions" out of 21 is useless without a "rope" or its substitutes ... Better take a box of matches in a plastic bag (so as not to get wet). However, thanks for the article - it was interesting.
    1. Mister X
      4 October 2020 07: 52
      +2
      Quote: cat Rusich
      Better to take a box of matches in a plastic bag (so as not to get wet).

      hi
      Experienced people do not take matches on hikes: only flint.
      It definitely won't get wet, and it won't end.

      Quote: cat Rusich
      Thanks for the article - it was interesting.

      You are welcome!
      It's nice to get positive feedback drinks

      1. BAI
        BAI 4 October 2020 21: 54
        0
        Experienced people do not take matches on hikes: only flint.

        Gas lighter (several).
        1. Mister X
          5 October 2020 06: 54
          0
          Quote: BAI
          Gas lighter (several).

          If on a hike - maybe, but they can get wet too.
          Or melt.
          More than once, the top of the plastic melted when trying to ignite damp or thick paper.
  • saigon
    saigon 3 October 2020 10: 05
    +4
    An inexperienced person shoots money for beautiful crap.
    Steel holds the TEMPERATURE well without losing its properties, it has good toughness in this one, but nowhere is it said good hardness and it is strange to use it as an ax.
    It is intended mainly for the manufacture of pipes, since it is relatively inexpensive to manufacture.
    The tradition of selling shiny beads to savages has not gone anywhere, smoothly flowed into the sale of shiny items to go!
    But stylish items and everything is not about the pokpatel will bite a saw, an ax, a bottle opener in one bottle.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 3 October 2020 05: 49
    +8
    Good morning, Michael! hi
    To be honest, I somehow doubted the usefulness of this contraption, well, at all, it does not inspire any confidence.
    About twenty years ago, I was presented with a SinClear folding knife, just in the format of a credit card, and I always carry it with me in my wallet. I just remembered about him five times, if not less. So, an exotic toy, to surprise people. No, well, if the situation comes close, then the broken bottle will become a weapon. smile
    1. Mister X
      3 October 2020 07: 01
      +5
      hi
      Good morning, Constantine!
      Quote: Sea Cat
      I somehow doubted the usefulness of this thing

      And me too.
      The reasons are indicated in the paragraph "Conclusions" at the end of the article.

      Quote: Sea Cat
      About twenty years ago, I was presented with a SinClear folding knife

      Quote: Sea Cat
      So, an exotic toy, to surprise people.

      I was presented with a product for self-defense.
      I will not name the manufacturer - they will again say that I advertise;)
      Not made of metal. Seems like reinforced carbon.
      So, purely the bank's security is surprising.
      Wore it for over a year.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 3 October 2020 08: 07
        +3
        I was presented with a product for self-defense.
        An interesting niche thing for those who feel naked without piercing objects. How sharp is the cutting edge?
        1. Mister X
          3 October 2020 08: 25
          +4
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          How sharp is the cutting edge?

          The edge doesn't cut too much.
          But the jabs are powerful.
          In my office, the walls are finished with plasterboard.
          My colleagues and I drank some brandy, and I decided to test this device.
          The sting entered the wall approximately 1 cm.
          The very tip broke off (you can see it in the photo).
          But it's not scary, it remained sharp enough.
          Photo today.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 3 October 2020 08: 54
            +2
            Most likely, the blow came to the rack of the metal frame.
            1. Mister X
              3 October 2020 09: 10
              +4
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Most likely, the blow came to the rack of the metal frame.

              Maybe.
              They did not delve into it, but spilled brandy wink
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 3 October 2020 14: 40
        +2
        Quote: Mister X
        I will not name the manufacturer - they will again say that I advertise

        Cold Stilovsky "jab" from "zitel" (if I'm not mistaken). It was created for carrying through metal detectors in the form of frames to places where it is forbidden to carry metal and weapons, a disposable object in fact (quickly breaks, a couple of blows and that's it), a hand-held detector is detected, with the appropriate setting thereof. A plastic copy (a variant on the topic) of butt knives used by card sharpeners (and the like) in the days of the Wild West. You can enter the airport with this one "at a time", the frame often does not react, but during inspection with a hand-held detector, it may well be detected. hi
        1. Mister X
          3 October 2020 15: 08
          0
          hi
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Cold Stilovsky "jab" from "zitel" (if I'm not mistaken).

          Yes, Cold Steel. It was presented to me over 10 years ago.
          Then the material was kind of called "reinforced glass".

          Quote: Tank Hard
          Designed to be carried through metal detectors

          I doubt it, as well as about the "invisibility" of the Glock.
          Push Blade is corny light, does not rust, then it was not considered a melee weapon.
          The bank guard noticed the scabbard sticking out of the cut of his jacket, and went over to sort it out.
          Well, I figured it out. I wanted the same;)
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 3 October 2020 15: 10
            0
            Quote: Mister X
            I doubt

            They carried it in ... And the hand-held detector beeps at him.
            And the Glock has metal parts. request
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 3 October 2020 15: 35
            +1
            Quote: Mister X
            I wanted the same;

            Cold Steel has a more interesting and serious thing of this kind, and it is not at all expensive.
            Delta darts, here its capabilities are well shown on the test and yes, the detectors do not squeak at it.
            1. Mister X
              3 October 2020 15: 47
              +2
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Cold Steel has a more interesting and serious thing.

              I gave my friend an equally interesting little thing.
              We can say from the arsenal of a geisha.
              At the time, she was a nightclub administrator.
              Fighting girl: a drunk client was pacified over the head with a bottle of whiskey after he threw the guards.
          3. Tank hard
            Tank hard 3 October 2020 15: 39
            0
            Quote: Mister X
            I wanted the same

            And here is an interesting item from Cold Steel, with such a comb my wife flew to Italy, the bag was turned inside out five times after the X-ray, but they did not understand what was wrong there.
            1. Mister X
              3 October 2020 15: 58
              +2
              Quote: Tank Hard
              And here's an interesting item from Cold Steel

              I wrote about him just above drinks
      3. Captain45
        Captain45 3 October 2020 22: 16
        0
        Quote: Mister X
        Not made of metal. Seems like reinforced carbon.

        And at the airport, did you have to go through the "frame" with this thing? Or else where through a metal detector? And what is the result? Better in a "personal", so as not to excite possible inadequate.
        1. Mister X
          4 October 2020 07: 56
          +1
          Quote: Captain45
          And at the airport, did you have to go through the "frame" with this thing?

          No, I didn't have to fly with him.
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 3 October 2020 09: 15
      +4
      For a long time I used a nice fountain pen, which, if desired, could be used for self-defense.

      Used only for its intended purpose, and also as a pointer.

      I don't really get used to things, but I liked this one.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 3 October 2020 10: 13
        +3
        I have a couple of "former" rifle cartridges, one works with a fountain pen, the other with a wick, also gifts. smile
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 October 2020 06: 07
    +4
    Gentlemen, tell me: shop on the couch instead of articles - has this already happened here?
    Moreover, the "article" smelled like the 90s. This kind of "beads" made in YUS (worthless, worthless rubbish, beautifully packaged and maniacally imposed by advertising), to us, the natives, was then especially actively vparili.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 3 October 2020 06: 16
      +4
      It happened before
      small enterprise "SurvСo" from the USA.

      который
      sends orders from Fort Mitchell, Alabama.

      turn came)))
      1. Mister X
        3 October 2020 07: 24
        0
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        turn came)))

        And the turn has not reached the end of the article?
        What about potential buyers from Eurasia and the African continent? wink
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 October 2020 12: 34
          +2
          Quote: Mister X
          the turn has not reached the end of the article?

          Are you joking?
          Better ask if she even got to the middle.
          1. Mister X
            3 October 2020 15: 11
            +1
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            Are you joking?

            By no means.
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            Better ask if she even got to the middle.

            Then remove half of your comment wink
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 October 2020 15: 23
              0
              Quote: Mister X
              delete half of your comment

              It’s beyond my power
              1. Mister X
                3 October 2020 15: 34
                +1
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                It’s beyond my power

                How could not master the whole article winked
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 October 2020 17: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Mister X
                  How could not master the whole article

                  I must admit that I cannot master quite a few articles.
                  1. Mister X
                    3 October 2020 18: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                    I cannot master quite a few articles.

                    Is it because of the volume or quality of the content?
                    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                      Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 October 2020 20: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Mister X
                      Is it because of the volume or quality of the content?

                      Sometimes it's just not my topic
                      1. Mister X
                        4 October 2020 07: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                        Sometimes it's just not my topic

                        What topics are interesting?
                      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 4 October 2020 23: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Mister X
                        What topics are interesting?

                        Of what the topvar is clearly lacking - small arms, with an emphasis on civilians.
                        There are articles on the topic, but (with the exception of historical articles):
                        1) this is a complete slag from people who absolutely do not understand what they are writing about;
                        2) it is extremely rare that something appears at all.
                      3. Mister X
                        5 October 2020 07: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                        the topvar is clearly not enough - small, with an emphasis on civilian.

                        I often write about the history of weapons for the military.
                        Sometimes they are intertwined with civilian versions.
                        - Stoner 63: development. About Robinson Armament M96
                        - Police carbines of the KS-23 family (Snipe, TOZ-123, Selezen-4)
                        - Rifle Pfeifer SR (hunting)
                        - Pistol Remington R51
                        - Weapon of Robert Hillberg. About the Wildey pistol
  • Mister X
    3 October 2020 07: 17
    +1
    Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
    has this happened here before?

    Everything happened.
    Most often, inattentive readers come across.
    And commentators who, for the sake of a catchphrase, will write anything.

    Do you really think that the author is trying to "sell" something?
    Recommending yourself to make a similar product yourself?


    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    us natives

    I didn't call anyone that.
    Right?
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 October 2020 12: 36
      +1
      Quote: Mister X
      do you think that the author is trying to "sell" something?

      Well you give!
      1. Mister X
        3 October 2020 15: 14
        +2
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        Well you give!

        Just meticulous.
        I collected the material to the maximum, studied it, put my thoughts on "paper" and shared it with people.

        Have you read my work about Romanian and British ships?
        Digging for a year.

        Or Robert Hillberg's weapons?
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 3 October 2020 06: 09
    +2
    An unnecessary thing, real survivalists have already dug out bunkers for themselves and prepared everything they need for several years, and here is some kind of metal plate. smile
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 3 October 2020 06: 14
      +3
      There is a special sort of "survivalists" - the city madmen. Just for them, such items are produced, for survival ,, laughing
      1. Mister X
        3 October 2020 07: 41
        +7
        Quote: Pilot
        There is a special sort of "survivalists" - the city madmen.

        hi Urban survivors, Tolkienists, sectarians - an attempt to hide from the real world, with its problems.
        Do you agree?
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 3 October 2020 07: 53
          0
          Quote: Mister X
          Quote: Pilot
          There is a special sort of "survivalists" - the city madmen.

          hi Urban survivors, Tolkienists, sectarians - an attempt to hide from the real world, with its problems.
          Do you agree?

          Absolutely agree hi An entire industry (it is clear whose) is working for this culture brought in from the outside, earning money on urban idiots. As they say, no sucker and life is bad. I wonder how we haven’t yet developed a culture of zombie apocalypse
          1. Mister X
            3 October 2020 08: 01
            +1
            Quote: Pilot
            I wonder how we haven’t yet developed a culture of zombie apocalypse

            I think there is.
            In the article, I mention the fans of the Stalker game.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 3 October 2020 19: 59
              0
              And how does Stalker feel about Zombiaprcalipsis? By the way, the logic of survival in the stalker is present. There are a lot of consumables and the weight is extreme. Combine as you wish. As far as fantasy is enough.
              1. Mister X
                4 October 2020 08: 23
                +2
                Quote: garri-lin
                By the way, the logic of survival in the stalker is present.

                So in World of Tanks there is a certain logic.
                However, a WOT champion cannot be considered a real tanker.
                Right?
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 4 October 2020 08: 46
                  +1
                  The tanks were denied. If back in 15-16 you could say that they teach team play, now this is not the case. Half teams are jackals for the stats.
              2. Mister X
                4 October 2020 08: 25
                +1
                Quote: garri-lin
                And how does Stalker feel about Zombieaprcalipsis?

                Everyone presents the zombie apocalypse a little differently.
                In the game Stalker, among the characters, there are also zombie stalkers.
                Almost all of them are very aggressive and very dangerous.
                With a large concentration, they pose a serious threat.
                If there are more "zombie" stalkers than "normal" stalkers - can we call this phenomenon a zombie apocalypse?
                The collapse is quite real.
                Am I thinking right?

                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 4 October 2020 08: 47
                  +1
                  Well, not entirely true. Stalkers are ready to confront. There is no ersatz weapon. In Stalker, the choice of equipment is much more important.
                  1. Mister X
                    4 October 2020 08: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: garri-lin
                    Well, not entirely true. Stalkers are ready to confront

                    Let's start with the fact that this is a fictional world. Action-adventure, made for fun.
                    I'm not a fan of games like Stalker, Fallout, or Metro.
                    About 10-15 years ago, I was pretty good at Call of Duty, I even took part in championships.

                    Quote: garri-lin
                    The choice of equipment is much more important for the stalker.

                    Will skills from Stalker or COD help in real life?
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 4 October 2020 09: 19
                      +1
                      Not in any other shooter except the stalker there is no such freedom of filling the backpack. It won't give anything to an adult. And a teenager may well be given the skill to choose the right things. So as not to overload. And all the essentials were there. And in the Call to the Attendant there is no flexibility. It is impossible to learn anything there.
                      1. Mister X
                        4 October 2020 09: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        a teenager may well be given the skill to choose the right things.

                        This occupation is fraught with distance from the real world + physical inactivity, visual impairment, and a bunch of other health problems, even mental ones.

                        I am an iT-schnick with 20+ experience, I have been participating in WEB development for 5 years.
                        Behind a bunch of trainings.
                        I am familiar with such scary terms as Agile, Scrum, Kanban, Jira, Redmine.
                        Do you really think that "playing the Indians" helps to build a team, and the result is a quality product?
                      2. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 4 October 2020 11: 11
                        0
                        The skill of choosing a leader is being developed. And the skill of obeying the more experienced or the more successful. The one whose chance of winning is higher. That the Cossacks are robbers. What Zarnitsa. That the game is online as a team. Social skill is developed in the same way.
                      3. Mister X
                        4 October 2020 12: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        The skill of choosing a leader is being developed.

                        It was smooth on paper ...

                        Let me give you an example of a real case.
                        We entrusted the development and support of our company's websites to a third-party company (outsourcing).
                        They are the largest and most experienced in our country. Any farmer knows some of their projects.
                        I set tasks for them and control the implementation.

                        Last week I wrapped the task twice for revision,
                        because in one place they finished, and in the other they nafakapil.

                        Did Zarnitsa help them, and the skill of submitting to a more experienced one?
                      4. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 4 October 2020 12: 04
                        0
                        I meant the primary skill that is formed in adolescents and very young people. It is already difficult for a person aged 20-22 to convey anything. We need, as the Indians say, a loud voice, a sharp stick and a lot of time.
                      5. Mister X
                        4 October 2020 16: 06
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        I meant the primary skill that is formed in adolescents and very young people.

                        They risk getting bogged down in virtual reality, and improve their skills to choose the right things in the Stalker game until retirement
                      6. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 4 October 2020 19: 45
                        0
                        It depends on the character of the person. I know people who sit at the screen for a week in the same Tanks. And then for a few days in the mountains. On foot. Then they work 16 hours a day. And again to the mountains or the Czech Republic. Or wherever. Depends on what drives a person's behavior. Himself or his affection.
                      7. Mister X
                        4 October 2020 19: 55
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        It depends on the character of the person. I know people

                        I agree.
                        I know people who go to the other extreme ...
                        drinks
                      8. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 4 October 2020 20: 00
                        0
                        There should be no extremes. Versatility is the key to all-round development.
                      9. Mister X
                        5 October 2020 07: 25
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        There should be no extremes.

                        If we continue talking about adolescents, a lot depends on the parents.
                        The neighbor's daughter (unkempt, unwashed and not clean) woke up when she woke up - she turns on KidsCo TV.
                        The child did not go to school yet, but already wore glasses with a sealed eye, like Kutuzov.
                        The parents allowed, and still allow, the child to watch TV and play with the console as much as the child wants.
                        As a result, loss of vision, and a problem with the mental development of the child.
                        What is the skill of submitting to a more experienced ...
                      10. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 5 October 2020 08: 10
                        0
                        Parents lay the foundation, the foundation. But many are too lazy to do this. The initial impetus for the development of a child as a person can only be obtained from an older environment. Any skill that a child will hone in games and bring to perfection should initially be acquired. And this is the problem. Parents often do not understand what kind of toddler appeared in their life. They are not morally ready to teach others to make their own way. They cannot even pull up on bad behavior even in an elementary way. If the child does not have any skill that the parents could not instill, then there is nothing to hone.
                      11. Mister X
                        5 October 2020 11: 20
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Parents lay the foundation, the foundation.

                        Adults should not forget about "wooden" toys.
                        They promote live communication, gradually teach children to do something with their own hands.
                        Otherwise, even the coolest multitool in the hands of an adult incompetent will be useless.
                        And it can become unsociable.
                        No amount of TV or video games can replace collective puzzle-solving or fortress-building.

                        We have canceled labor lessons, and introduced sex education ...
                        I am still grateful to Trudovik Sergei Mikhalych for the inclinations of elementary skills.
                        Thanks to him, I gradually do carpentry and locksmiths in the house.
                        He himself is able to repair / replace the mixer.
                        Recently installed a TV mount on the wall.

                        I saw an adult man who set fire to a heap of newspapers and tried to cook sausages on that fire.
                        Already nurses grandchildren, but has not learned how to make a fire.
                        This is about Zarnitsa)
                      12. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 5 October 2020 11: 44
                        +1
                        And all this despite the fact that there is a sea of ​​developing toys now. In my childhood, something like Lego was a wonder. At 84 or 85, they presented a little car the size of a child's palm. Details for a hundred. Metal designers were swept off the shelves. For the age of about a year, developmental just do not have it. And the children grew up with hands. Now there are a lot of resources for education. And of little use. Parents do not realize much that the purchased constructor is half the battle. We need to sit with the child for a couple of evenings. Show example. Help. Suggest. Arrange a competition. In the same Lego, there are many identical knots. Right left. One picks up the other child himself.
                      13. Mister X
                        5 October 2020 11: 57
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Metal designers were swept off the shelves.

                        I also had one bully

                        We discussed in detail the multitool from the article, and touched on raising children.
                        Isn't it time for us to start a protracted conversation on the topics: Virology, Geopolitics, Economics?
                        Or, well, them ...
                        You also need to work wink
                      14. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 5 October 2020 13: 08
                        0
                        I am more inclined towards Genetic Engineering from the point of view of Ethics, taking into account the prospects of overpopulation of the fertile regions of the planet. Hope for interesting articles in the future.
                      15. Mister X
                        5 October 2020 13: 13
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Hope for interesting articles in the future.

                        There are plans for the future.
                        It would be time to take it and finish writing without interruption ...
                      16. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 5 October 2020 15: 16
                        0
                        I hope for your success. The article is interesting. I hope the future ones will also be interesting and will cause some discussion in the comments.
                      17. Mister X
                        5 October 2020 16: 13
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        The article is interesting

                        Thank you!

                        Quote: garri-lin
                        future will also be interesting

                        I hope too.
                        My main topic is the history of the shooter, but there are publications on other topics:
                        ships, carrier-based aircraft.
                        I even wrote about Bitcoin coins on another resource
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 3 October 2020 07: 42
    +2
    Yes, there are. I heard a lot, and recently I met one of them. Always have a backpack with you, track shoes on your feet even in summer, and any belongings in the trunk of a car. Likes to speculate about his prudence.
    1. Mister X
      3 October 2020 08: 08
      +1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Likes to speculate about his prudence.

      hi
      Such have met before.
      As a child, I read a story about a German submarine.
      One of the crew members was proud to have bought places for himself in all the cemeteries in the world.
      In any port, first a tavern, girls, and then - to the local cemetery.
      That was how he was prudent ...
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 3 October 2020 20: 20
        +1
        Quote: Mister X
        In any port, first a tavern, girls, and then - to the local cemetery.
        That was how he was prudent ...

        And then! "Who is destined to be hanged will not drown!" (from)
        This is probably what I hoped for :)
  • Mister X
    3 October 2020 07: 39
    +3
    Quote: Pessimist22
    real survivalists have already dug bunkers for themselves

    hi I agree!
    Multitool from the article - for beginner survivalists: boy scouts wink
  • depressant
    depressant 3 October 2020 07: 05
    +2
    I liked the article. The multitool is constantly mentioned in a series of books about the Sniper by Dmitry Sillov. The author of the books appreciates the multitool excellently. And I kept thinking what he looks like - a cartoon. I especially like the tomahawk function. This is when the neighbor is a drug addict.
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 October 2020 07: 46
      +4
      Multitools are very different.
      There are also quite functional, often in the format of a folding knife, of different sizes.
      But this is specifically a 30 bucks parody smile
      1. Mister X
        3 October 2020 08: 17
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        There are also quite functional, often in the format of a folding knife.

        hi I agree!
        This model was presented to me by a friend about 6 years ago.
        Since then I have always carried it with me.
        Useful thing!


        A Phillips screwdriver came in handy for partial disassembly of office and kitchen furniture. For example, I unscrewed the bolts from the hinges in order to remove the cabinet doors.
        Also, a Phillips screwdriver came in handy for minor computer repairs. With its help, I easily unscrewed and then tightened the screws on the side walls of the system units, disassembled the power supplies to clean them from dust.
        But it is not suitable for dismantling the motherboard. To access the screws that fix the “mother” to the body substrate, a screwdriver with a long shaft is required.

        With a flat screwdriver, even beat off the ice on the tiles around the monument in the cemetery so that elderly relatives would not slip.
        1. Avior
          Avior 3 October 2020 08: 50
          +4
          I have a minimal and compact set

          For travel, there are two multitool - one larger for the train with a full set, including screwdrivers for all occasions, and a small one for traveling by plane, in luggage, of course.
          The auto-tool kit, including an ax, a shovel, a saw, raincoats, a lighter and more.
          smile
        2. garri-lin
          garri-lin 3 October 2020 20: 02
          0
          Good old Victor. Army Swiss Knife. By the way, quite worthy samples of multi-subjects were produced in the Union.
          1. Mister X
            4 October 2020 10: 34
            +1
            Quote: garri-lin
            By the way, quite worthy samples of multi-subjects were produced in the Union.

            I found only a knife with an opener.
            Share information?
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 4 October 2020 11: 16
              +1
              I went through the army with a USSR knife. A copy of the Titan knife but with plastic pads and not metal ones. A knife, a bottle opener plus a flat screwdriver, a claw can opener, a fork (refined into a furrier's awl). The knife was found as a child back in the 80s. Until now, the truth is already killed at home. A very handy thing. Very compact. There were also quite a few knives. Something is still alive.
              1. Mister X
                4 October 2020 14: 57
                +1
                Quote: garri-lin
                Knife, bottle opener plus flat screwdriver, claw can opener,

                I remembered a knife with a fork and a claw!
                Sold in sports goods.
                Long and often looked and licked his lips.
                I won 3 rubles in Sportloto, and just bought a folding knife: there was not enough money for a multitool.
                Thank you for stirring up my memory!
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 4 October 2020 15: 02
                  0
                  I often watch videos of collectors of knives from the Soviet era on YouTube. Surprisingly advanced specimens come across.
                  1. Mister X
                    4 October 2020 16: 11
                    0
                    Quote: garri-lin
                    I often watch videos of collectors of knives from the times of the USSR.

                    I simply do not have enough time to review and read everything interesting that is posted on the Internet
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 4 October 2020 19: 48
                      0
                      Time is the greatest value in the universe. He's always missing.
                      1. Mister X
                        5 October 2020 07: 16
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        He's always missing.

                        100%!
                        You have to choose by priority
  • Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 3 October 2020 07: 09
    +4
    A normal ax, a normal knife with a flint and a Mosin carbine - this is an indispensable and minimal set ..)
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 October 2020 12: 58
      +1
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem

      +4
      Normal ax, normal flint knife and Mosin carbine

      And the horse
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 3 October 2020 14: 52
      0
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      Normal ax,

      Here's a good overview on this topic.
      Watch from start to finish:
  • parusnik
    parusnik 3 October 2020 07: 19
    +3
    “You know, a necessary thing!” (C), in the economy, after a nuclear war, everything will do. smile
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 3 October 2020 07: 37
    +4
    This multitool is good if you have it at hand when nothing else is there. For example, in an urban environment, in an office. Therefore, he has a format for a wallet and is designed for office plankton, who dreams of surviving during the apocalypse. But when going on a hike, it is dangerous to rely on this toy. As soon as the plate bursts and that's it ... In general, you can't think of a separate knife, hatchet, spatula ...
  • sunzhenets
    sunzhenets 3 October 2020 07: 53
    +2
    The peculiarity of a universal tool is that it can do a lot of things, and everything is equally bad.
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 October 2020 08: 39
      +2
      Sometimes it's better to do badly than not do anything at all.
      Multitools are designed for this.
      It will not be possible to have the entire set of tools with you all the time
    2. Mister X
      3 October 2020 11: 35
      +1
      Quote: Sunflower
      The peculiarity of the universal tool - it can do a lot of things, and everything is equally bad

      hi
      I do not agree.
      Is the product shown in the picture a universal tool?
      Can they be fully functional?
      We do not affect the price. It can be given
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 3 October 2020 11: 48
        +1
        Quote: Mister X
        Quote: Sunflower
        The peculiarity of the universal tool - it can do a lot of things, and everything is equally bad

        hi
        I do not agree.
        Is the product shown in the picture a universal tool?
        Can they be fully functional?
        We do not affect the price. It can be given

        Or you can find it. I found a similar product from LEATHERMAN while fishing in a mountain river. Lost it, apparently not so long ago, and he did not lie in the water for long. I'm not overjoyed ... fellow
        1. Mister X
          3 October 2020 15: 26
          +1
          Quote: Bongo
          I found a similar product from LEATHERMAN while fishing

          You're lucky, my friend!
          On the beaches, or after sports matches, you can also find a lot: cameras, phones, bottles, dead drunks ...

          We have Wine Day today.
          In connection with the pandemic, no mass festivities.
          But in past years - what could not be found on the square after the holiday ...
          Even one shoe!
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 3 October 2020 15: 34
            0
            Quote: Mister X
            You're lucky, my friend!
            On the beaches, or after sports matches, you can also find a lot: cameras, phones, bottles, dead drunks ...

            So I'm in the taiga and along the rivers more ... repeat They do not live in cameras and phones, although last year I drowned my Philips Xenium with a unique 8000 mAh battery. On the other hand, I found a large silver spoon on a fishing trip about 10 years ago, which has long been a source of pride. Unfortunately on the rafting, where there were unfamiliar people, she "left". Apparently someone needed it more.
            Wine Day, Olya and I had today. We ate a bottle of Chilean red semi-sweet ESPIRITI DE CHILE, with the continuation ... wink
            1. Mister X
              3 October 2020 15: 36
              +1
              Quote: Bongo
              Unfortunately on the rafting, where there were unfamiliar people, she "left".

              Exchanged for LEATHERMAN wink
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 3 October 2020 15: 39
                +1
                Quote: Mister X
                Exchanged for LEATHERMAN

                I fell in love with the spoon with all my heart, with cupronickel ear is not so tasty ... crying
                1. Mister X
                  3 October 2020 15: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Bongo
                  with cupronickel ear is not so tasty ...

                  And with a wooden one?
                  As a child, I loved to eat with a wooden spoon from a clay plate.
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 3 October 2020 15: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Mister X
                    And with a wooden one?
                    As a child, I loved to eat with a wooden spoon from a clay plate.

                    Somehow it didn't work out for us. Metal is easier to clean and takes up less space. I carry cutlery in the car in an aluminum suitcase in which there was once a spare part for the T-217M equipment. There, in addition to stainless steel mugs and plates, I store forks, spoons, a corkscrew, spices, salt, tea leaves and a little sugar. Due to their bulkiness, wooden spoons did not take root.
                    1. Mister X
                      3 October 2020 16: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Bongo
                      Due to their bulkiness, wooden spoons did not take root.

                      Then you need to look for unfamiliar people from the rafting.
                      Maybe in a hurry they accidentally took it with them.
                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 4 October 2020 09: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Mister X
                        Then you need to look for unfamiliar people from the rafting.
                        Maybe in a hurry they accidentally took it with them.

                        Nobody confessed ... request
                      2. Mister X
                        4 October 2020 09: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Nobody confessed

                        Modest people ...
  • zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 3 October 2020 08: 07
    +2
    What can not be taken away from Mikhail is the ability to tell interestingly not only about little-known models of small arms, but also about an openly useless trinket. good I wish my husband would be surprised if I gave him this for his birthday ... lol
    1. Mister X
      3 October 2020 08: 42
      +1
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      What cannot be taken away from Mikhail is the ability to tell interestingly

      hi
      Nice to hear repeat
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      I wish my husband would be surprised if I gave him this for his birthday ...

      He dreams of Wolksvagen 166
      Only for our climate, the cabin should be heated.
      Wood burning stove, for example wink
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 3 October 2020 11: 29
        +2
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        What can not be taken away from Mikhail is the ability to tell interestingly not only about little-known models of small arms, but also about an openly useless trinket.

        I agree with this 100%. yes
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        I wish my husband would be surprised if I gave him this for his birthday ...

        Oh, don't! stop
        Quote: Mister X
        He dreams of Wolksvagen 166
        Only for our climate, the cabin should be heated.
        Wood burning stove, for example

        No, I plan to take such a baby for trips to nature.
        1. Mister X
          3 October 2020 11: 38
          +2
          Quote: Bongo
          I plan to take such a kid for outings.

          hi
          Cool machine!
          Will everything you need for fishing / hunting fit?
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 3 October 2020 11: 44
            +2
            Quote: Mister X
            Cool machine!
            Will everything you need for fishing / hunting fit?

            After installing the trunk - quite.
            It is not rational to drive a minibus when I go out hunting-fishing alone or with a partner (with a partner wink ) Suzuki Jimny has much less fuel consumption and better cross-country ability.
            However, this kid is not cheap ... request
            1. Mister X
              3 October 2020 14: 55
              +1
              Quote: Bongo
              Suzuki Jimny has much less fuel consumption

              Is the suspension not stiff?
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 3 October 2020 15: 16
                +2
                Quote: Mister X
                Is the suspension not stiff?

                It is clear that this is not a passenger car. But even on Mazda Bongo, until half a ton is loaded, it shakes very much.
                1. Saxahorse
                  Saxahorse 3 October 2020 20: 28
                  0
                  Alas, "Friend" is not the same "Samurai". Friends recently sold, pampered for a year. Complain that there is more of a crossover than a jeep. Although outwardly the new model again began to resemble the old Samurai. "But it has risen in price again not weakly.
          2. BAI
            BAI 3 October 2020 22: 58
            +1
            If you fold the rear seats, a little elephant will fit in there. Natural frame jeep of military origin. A worthy heir to the Samurai. On an off-road test drive, with a score of 7: 1, they made (a team of 11 cars) a goat face to the H2 Hummer (which is one table more expensive than all 11 Jims).
            I have something like this - Grand Vitara FT, GT three-door - I'm not overjoyed off-road.
            1. Lynx2000
              Lynx2000 5 October 2020 00: 09
              +1
              I agree, Jimny is a good option for a jeep. Pros: short wheelbase; continuous bridges; low fuel consumption; small turning radius; short overhangs; frame; light.
              Cons: weak engine; drive "part-time"; cramped salon; "goats" on the road; insulation is poor; narrow track; small suspension travel.
              It will be hard for the "crew" for long-distance expeditions.
              I am thinking, instead of a new ATV (Grizzly), take Jimny the right-handed year 2005. Go fishing, for wild garlic and mushrooms, climb the foothills of Altai.
              H2 is not a rogue, rather for antlers.
              Suzuki Vitara (Escudo) seems to have been produced with monocoque bodies since 2005.

              Regarding this multitool, I also did not see the functions of the water supply and adjustable wrench. As a nail puller, is he needed in the forest? Nails hammered into a board for more than five years (especially hardwood) with a nail puller cannot be pulled out immediately ... A saw in the forest with small teeth and practically zero divorce is quickly clogged with raw sawdust.

              My father was previously going to Swiss multifunction knives.
              For me personally, having a knife does not need a can opener or a screwdriver, a fork. The corkscrew has never been used in the forest. I have a hatchet, I came from Canada in a car, I normally cut through thick branches and use it like a shovel.
              1. Mister X
                5 October 2020 20: 45
                0
                Quote: Lynx2000
                also did not see the functions of the tap

                Quote: Lynx2000
                For me personally, having a knife does not need a can opener or a screwdriver, a fork.

                hi
                Thank you for your helpful comment!
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 3 October 2020 09: 01
    +1
    For this, the product is attached to a suitable stick or branch using a nylon cord of the "Paracord" type. Alternatively, you can use plastic ties (clamps).
    On the edge and laces will come down. About the gas key pinned up - most likely overdone with advertising. And so a great souvenir or gift for "turned survivalists"
    1. Mister X
      3 October 2020 09: 21
      +3
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      About the gas key pinned - most likely overdone with advertising

      hi
      On the contrary: there was not enough imagination to attribute a couple more functions wink
      Peeling potatoes, shaving, picking under the nails ...
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 3 October 2020 09: 30
        +1
        Quote: Mister X
        on the contrary: I didn't have enough imagination to assign a couple more functions
        Peeling potatoes, shaving, picking under the nails ...

        or like this laughing
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 3 October 2020 11: 49
    +2
    Combining a hatchet, knife and shovel in one relatively small product (the size of a bank card) is actually a sad idea. The functions of the shovel will wear out the product as a hatchet and knife, in fact, the product carries an increased load on 1/4 of its sides (cutting edge), a moderate load on the saw, 2 other sides, relative to the first one, will practically not be in demand.
    After a couple of small pits, it will be much more unpleasant to chop, and after all this, as a knife, the product will be inferior in functionality to a piece of glass or flint.
    So it is logical (in my opinion) to divide the digging and cutting surface in such a product, by improving the functionality of the lower side of the product - a part of the functionality of which can be distributed to the rear part / end of the saw.

    IMHO - with a certain usefulness of this product, it is mostly a marketing device (albeit not devoid of useful functionality). Detachable arrowhead - frankly amused, because if the survivalist does not have fire, raw game, even being caught, is almost guaranteed to disable his gastrointestinal tract, and if there is fire, the arrowhead is corny burned, and this will be more than enough for any game that the survivalist can shoot with an ersatz bow.
    The same deer or something similar corny will take away this wonderful iron tip with a high degree of probability. Perhaps, therefore, it would be wiser, instead of the arrowhead and its base, to introduce into the inner part of the product an additional small claw knife with a slightly curved blade (and of a material better than food stainless steel (and ideally with a laser sharpened blade) Such a product would allow much better and more functional processing of the future bow / arrows and would be much more convenient to use when dividing small game and making buried wood products.

    On the reverse side of such a knife, it would be possible to place a flint, combined with the analogy on the main product, which could well be placed on the back. Although it may have already damaged the other characteristics of the product.

    In this case, the device would be more functional. However, in my opinion, all this is all the same pampering, and you need a separate blade-hatchet and a separate knife (even if it is integrated into the hollow handle) - due to the high demands on the quality and surface materials and the high load on them in real survival conditions.
    1. Mister X
      3 October 2020 15: 30
      +2
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Combining a hatchet, knife and shovel in one relatively small product (the size of a bank card) is actually a sad idea.

      hi
      Thank you for such a detailed comment!
      It's nice that you first thought about everything, and only then spoke.
  • ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 3 October 2020 12: 51
    0
    Of course, a full profile trench will be difficult to dig.


    Earthwork is best done with a pre-made digging stick and a rod basket.

    Most likely, professionals in matters of survival do not rely on a tool but on knowledge and skills - they experiment and read books and periodicals on experimental archeology, ethnography and Stone Age cultures, publications of sports and extreme medicine and disaster medicine, publications for hunters and fishermen, special literature from areas of biology and zoology, geography, navigation. Moreover, they also read foreign sources related to other regions of the planet and climatic zones - since hunting a caiman is not the same as hunting a wild boar, and where they have to survive - no one knows in advance. All this, in principle, is available to everyone now - since many specialized magazines have electronic archives of the editions of past years on their websites - I don’t want to read and try.
    1. Mister X
      3 October 2020 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: ycuce234-san
      Earthwork is better done

      Quote: ycuce234-san
      survival professionals rely not on tools but on knowledge and skills

      I agree with you.
      You live - and learn!
  • Old26
    Old26 3 October 2020 14: 56
    +2
    Michael! Thanks for the article about this device. Which can be called "the dream of a sado-masochist." For 30 years of his life he went out into nature. When he himself, of his own free will (for barbecue, fishing), when necessary (for agricultural work). So, for sure, there is experience, like everyone who lived in the USSR for a long time. The disadvantage in the USSR was the inability to have certain ready-made sets. Although they twisted themselves in this case. But there was never a desire to get hold of such a miniature "multitool". I prefer to have a small sapper blade than to be perverted by a six-centimeter piece of iron, proudly named by the manufacturer as a shovel.
    Plus - only dimensions. Even the price is not a plus. By modern standards, this is about 2,5 thousand. For this amount, you can buy a lot of things. As a knife (universal) I also prefer Victorinox, but without frills - a maximum of 6-8 functions and the main opening with one hand. With a red handle - already 3 or 4 years old, and an orange one - they gave it as a birthday present last year.

    First - VICTORINOX DUAL PRO


    Second - VICTORINOX HUNTER XT


    Thanks for the info about the atlatl!

    Quote: Mister X
    Maybe.
    They did not delve into it, but spilled brandy

    And rightly so laughing

    Quote: depressant
    I liked the article. The multitool is constantly mentioned in a series of books about the Sniper by Dmitry Sillov. The author of the books appreciates the multitool excellently. And I kept thinking what he looks like - a cartoon. I especially like the tomahawk function. This is when the neighbor is a drug addict.

    Multitools are different. When I worked in a purse (or a bag (diplomat)) I always had a multitool. Not a "firm", like "Lazerman", Chinese, but I used it for 5 years, at least. And now it lies in a desk drawer next to a computer. a pair of flat screwdrivers, a Phillips screwdriver, a node, an opener, two saws.
    And the "multitool" described in the article is more a perversion for the gifted than a real tool

    Quote: zyablik.olga
    What can not be taken away from Mikhail is the ability to tell interestingly not only about little-known models of small arms, but also about an openly useless trinket. good I wish my husband would be surprised if I gave him this for his birthday ... lol

    Better, Olga, give VICTORINOX. In the catalog you can choose for every taste and color
    1. Mister X
      3 October 2020 16: 41
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      Michael! Thanks for the article about this device.

      hi
      You are welcome!
      Thank you for your helpful comment.

      Quote: Old26
      one-handed main opening

      I agree, this is a big plus.
      In the article I mentioned this (Stroporez).

      Quote: Old26
      With a red handle - already 3 or 4 years old, m orange

      Excellent knives.
      The corkscrew is unlikely to be useful, but let it be.
      As a Soviet person, you probably know how to open a bottle of wine in several ways. wink
    2. Mister X
      3 October 2020 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      Olga, give VICTORINOX

      Sergei already uses Lazerman.
      He wrote about it just above.
  • acetophenon
    acetophenon 3 October 2020 18: 01
    0
    Oh, what a fool one must be to buy such rubbish. fool I'm not going to write anything about a hatchet assembled on polymer ties. Okay, I've seen worse perverts.
    Just sit in front of the mirror and say aloud how you will get into such a situation that you need this squiggle.
    1. Mister X
      4 October 2020 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: acetophenon
      how do you get into such a situation that you need this squiggle.

      hi
      Rogue (Tom Hanks)

  • Old26
    Old26 3 October 2020 19: 02
    +2
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Detachable arrowhead - frankly amused, because if the survivalist does not have fire, raw game, even being caught, is almost guaranteed to disable his gastrointestinal tract, and if there is fire, the arrowhead is corny burned, and this will be more than enough for any game that the survivalist can shoot with an ersatz bow.

    I wanted to write myself. Okay, one could understand if a dozen or two tips were included in the kit, otherwise one .... If there is a flint-box, there will be fire, and the tip can really be burned. The main thing is to hit the target (game) because we have little experience in this area. Personally, this experience is extremely minimal ...

    Quote: ycuce234-san
    Most likely, professionals in matters of survival do not rely on a tool but on knowledge and skills - they experiment and read books and periodicals on experimental archeology, ethnography and Stone Age cultures, publications of sports and extreme medicine and disaster medicine, publications for hunters and fishermen, special literature from areas of biology and zoology, geography, navigation.

    I do not consider myself a professional in some way, but what you wrote - I try to do. And I read literature, and on this basis I got in touch with my family - both husband and wife are archaeologists.

    Quote: Mister X
    You are welcome!

    I don't remember how many years ago, but already in the post-Soviet period I came across a similar material where it was said about the so-called. "the concept of three knives" for those who often go out (went out) to nature. And I tried to adhere to this rule, although the weight of these "three knives" were much heavier than this "multitool"
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 3 October 2020 20: 17
    +2
    I'm interested to see how the creator of this device will adopt it for survival. And not with tear-off videos, but a stream with an overnight stay in the forest. Легенда: A friend dropped the owner out of the car and left him to spend the night in the forest. Quarreled. This multitool is in the pockets. Zippo. Shawl. Drizzling rain is falling.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 3 October 2020 20: 18
    -1
    In Soviet childhood, from a fragment of a bamboo rod and scraps of stainless steel from a nearby factory, we made better.
    1. Mister X
      5 October 2020 20: 48
      0
      Quote: Normal ok
      from a fragment of a bamboo rod and stainless steel scraps

      We are made of tin from cans
  • Micfoster
    Micfoster 3 October 2020 21: 34
    +1
    Ax weighing 80 grams !!!!!!!!! Rzhu, I can not stop !!!!!!!!!!
  • BAI
    BAI 3 October 2020 22: 46
    +3
    In besieged Leningrad, books on growing edible plants and books on the use of wild plants for food were printed for survival. And not suggestions for the use of all kinds of pieces of iron for hunting. In a forest near Moscow, the owner of this miracle of technology will die of hunger.
  • Old26
    Old26 4 October 2020 00: 35
    +2
    Quote: BAI
    In besieged Leningrad, books on growing edible plants and books on the use of wild plants for food were printed for survival. And not suggestions for the use of all kinds of pieces of iron for hunting. In a forest near Moscow, the owner of this miracle of technology will die of hunger.

    Well, such books can be found now. But it was about survival in the city during the blockade. Here, speaking about "pieces of iron" we are talking in-1 about how to use these "pieces of iron", in-2 - we discuss the pros or cons of these glands. Even knowing everything about wild plants, you can bend in the forest and find yourself in it without a minimum (knife, matches, salt) and in the autumn-spring period
    1. BAI
      BAI 4 October 2020 21: 59
      +1
      Even knowing everything about wild plants, you can bend over in the forest, finding yourself in it without a minimum (knife, matches, salt) and in the autumn-spring period

      At one time he communicated with Old Believers in Siberia, on Podkamennaya Tunguska. They were very surprised by our 2 questions: 1. How can you get lost in the taiga. 2. How can you die of hunger in the taiga.
      Here, speaking about "pieces of iron"

      Any universal (multifunctional) tool (universal weapon) is a swan bird. Good to everyone, but flies worse than a falcon, runs worse than an ostrich, swims worse than a penguin.
      1. Mister X
        5 October 2020 20: 51
        0
        Quote: BAI
        Good to everyone, but flies worse than a falcon, runs worse than an ostrich

        hi
        In many ways you are right, but above I gave an example of a good universal Leatherman.
        What do you say about this?
  • Old26
    Old26 4 October 2020 00: 38
    +1
    Quote: Mister X
    Excellent knives.
    The corkscrew is unlikely to be useful, but let it be.
    As a Soviet person, you probably know how to open a bottle of wine in several ways.

    By the way, Mikhail, the corkscrew on Viktorinoks is quite. And how to open - yes, we all probably knew how ... laughing
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 4 October 2020 07: 40
    -3
    Is it still VO or is it already "Shop on the couch"?
    1. Mister X
      5 October 2020 20: 54
      0
      Quote: Shuttle
      Is it still VO or is it already "Shop on the couch"?

      Yes, this is still VO, but "Sofa Commentators" and "Parquet Generals" have been added wink
  • Old26
    Old26 4 October 2020 11: 40
    +2
    Quote: Mister X
    Experienced people do not take matches on hikes: only flint.
    It definitely won't get wet, and it won't end.

    Well, matches don't take up that much space. Usually I still took matches, sometimes ordinary and wind-resistant ones, plus a disposable lighter. It is not for nothing that they say that "the pocket does not hold the stock" ...

    Quote: Mister X
    And with a wooden one?
    As a child, I loved to eat with a wooden spoon from a clay plate.

    At a time when he often went out into nature, a wooden spoon was always in a bag (backpack). Her ear is still more convenient than an ordinary metal
    1. Mister X
      5 October 2020 20: 54
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Her ear is still more handy than the usual metal

      The taste is even different
  • Living7111972
    Living7111972 4 October 2020 20: 53
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    Don't leave your comfort zone, the best ...
    1. Mister X
      5 October 2020 20: 55
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      Quote: sala7111972
      Don't leave your comfort zone

      This is true, but what if the circumstances were different?
  • Old26
    Old26 5 October 2020 11: 02
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    Quote: BAI
    At one time he communicated with Old Believers in Siberia, on Podkamennaya Tunguska. They were very surprised by our 2 questions: 1. How can you get lost in the taiga. 2. How can you die of hunger in the taiga.

    It all depends on where the person lives. One can say how you can get lost in the steppe or semi-desert, the other in the taiga. Nevertheless, in this case, Old Believers are an exception, not just indigenous people, but "merged" with nature. Most often there are 1: 1000 of them. And put them in different conditions, in another region, but what is there in the region, in a large city - that's all. All their ability to navigate in the taiga, as at home, will be multiplied by zero.
    The same is with food in the taiga. For them, it is “their own kitchen.” "In another region, in other climatic zones, they will not be in a better position than an ordinary person in the taiga.

    Quote: BAI
    Any universal (multifunctional) tool (universal weapon) is a swan bird. Good to everyone, but flies worse than a falcon, runs worse than an ostrich, swims worse than a penguin.

    Here, comrade, I agree with you at all 1000%. A universal (multifunctional) tool may be more convenient from the point of view of "everything at once with you", but worse in terms of functionality. And this discussed "piece of iron" the size of a bank card is nothing at all for survival. Or the person himself must be super-advanced in this direction
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 5 October 2020 14: 50
    +1
    And this piece of piece of iron "only" for 29,99 bucks, that is, for 2400 rubles! Are the people really so ignorant that they buy this worthless product ??? Especially "pleased" were the presence of wrenches - in the jungle, taiga and desert without them it is simply impossible to survive, especially considering that such wrenches will remain such a tightly tightened nut, and forever. !!!
    1. Mister X
      5 October 2020 20: 58
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      Quote: Grim Skeptic
      especially when you consider that with such keys a tightly tightened nut will remain so, and forever

      You are right - you will unscrew the figs!
  • Old26
    Old26 5 October 2020 20: 26
    +2
    Quote: Gloomy Skeptic
    And this piece of piece of iron "only" for 29,99 bucks, that is, for 2400 rubles! Are the people really so ignorant that they buy this worthless product ??? Especially "pleased" were the presence of wrenches - in the jungle, taiga and desert without them it is simply impossible to survive, especially considering that such wrenches will remain such a tightly tightened nut, and forever. !!!

    So dear Konstantin, Mikhail proposed to discuss this "piece of iron" for 2400 rubles, and as you have noticed, there is practically not a single absolutely positive opinion about it. We ourselves can buy a bag-set NAZ for twice the price, but there will be 27 items. I will list one of these NAZs below, although I am not a supporter myself, I prefer to gather myself):
    Fire, Flare gun "Signal of the Hunter" with 15 cartridges, Fishing set, Pressed towel-napkin (3 pcs), Assault hook-cat folding, Large folding knife, Multi - Survival Tool (similar to that described in the article), Aquabriz (4 tab. for water disinfection), Paracord (10 meters), Rescue blanket, Thread-needles (2 needles 3 skeins of thread), Micro-notebook with a fountain pen, Neodymium magnet, Black HB insulating tape, Capacity - 40 ml sealed jar (2 pcs), Super -glue (1 tube), Carabiner (length - 7 cm), Multitool (pliers), Dynamo emergency flashlight (Emergency flashlight with mechanical dynamo generator and solar battery, sling cutter, cullet), Aluminum compass, Sealed cover (170x115mm), Whistle , Monocular tube, Steel cup, folding
    String saw, External battery, aluminum 5000mAh
    Plus the tablet bag itself (dimensions: 26 × 24 × 15 cm). And here is one piece of iron for half the amount
    1. Mister X
      5 October 2020 21: 06
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      Quote: Old26
      Emergency light with mechanical dynamo generator and solar battery, sling cutter, cullet

      Are several items listed here?

      Quote: Old26
      String saw

      I also have. BCB Commando Wire Saw
      Which one do you use?
  • Old26
    Old26 6 October 2020 00: 19
    +1
    Quote: Mister X
    Are several items listed here?

    No, Mikhail, everything is in one bottle. Tomorrow, or rather today I will find a photo of this NAZ and post it

    Quote: Mister X
    I also have. BCB Commando Wire Saw
    Which one do you use?

    The string string somehow did not come across, although if you set a goal, you could find it. Now I rarely go out into nature, rather if "for barbecue", then to my friends in the country, and not out into nature. A saw, not a string saw, but a chain saw. Cutting length - 66 cm. The first one, which has been in operation for a long time, and the second one is brand new, "never". I'll take a picture today - I'll post it.
    By the way, for the first time I saw such a string saw (although it was written on the stand with a wire) in the year 79-80 at the CTC (Star City). There was an unpacked NAZ at the stand. Walked around this stand and "licked" some of the items
    1. Mister X
      6 October 2020 07: 39
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      Quote: Old26
      The string string somehow did not come across, although if you set a goal, you could find it.

      I bought mine on Ebay. I ordered it in the UK.
    2. Mister X
      6 October 2020 07: 39
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      Quote: Old26
      No, Mikhail, everything is in one bottle.

      Really curious...
      I'm waiting for the photo
    3. Mister X
      6 October 2020 07: 45
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      Quote: Old26
      The string string somehow did not come across, although if you set a goal, you could find it.

      I bought mine on Ebay. Ordered in the UK, like the original.

      In the original, the role of teeth is played by 4 turns of thinner wire, which are wound on 4 pieces of thicker wire twisted together.
      Cloth and rings are made of high quality stainless steel.

      The people write that there are not 4, but 3 wires of wires in fakes.
      It seems like I no longer saw on wood, but a medical instrument: cut bones.
      And the quality of the metal is worse, rusts.
      There were a bunch of them on Ali, but I decided to order in England.
  • Old26
    Old26 6 October 2020 11: 21
    +2
    Michael! I keep my promise. Photo of a flashlight from some "survival site" (somewhere there is an address). I don't see the need to take sets there, but separate elements - why not.



    A picture of a chain saw - sorry, my daughter took a camera, so I took it from the phone, but the camera is not very good there. But you can understand. Of course, it is easier to work with a string, this one needs to get used to. And it is bigger in size. When I was often in nature, this saw was in a belt bag ("wallet") with which "shuttle traders" once stood in the markets



    Quote: Mister X
    It seems like I no longer saw on wood, but a medical instrument: cut bones.

    Yes, friends-doctors called such a saw, EMNIP - Jili saw. But there was no way to get through them. Under strict account
    1. Mister X
      6 October 2020 12: 07
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      Quote: Old26
      Photo of a flashlight from some "survival site" (somewhere there is an address).

      Found!
      Dynamo emergency flashlight, multifunctional HANG. Only 399 rubles
      Did you use cullet?
      Solar panel or diodes not broken?
    2. Mister X
      6 October 2020 12: 11
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      Quote: Old26
      Of course, it's easier to work with a string, this one needs to get used to.

      The chain saw is used by two people. I remember in the video a couple of men, smiling, sawed a healthy birch log.

      Quote: Old26
      Yes, friends-doctors called such a saw, EMNIP - Jili saw. But there was no way to get through them. Under strict account

      You have not lost anything: the medical one does not saw wood, and vice versa.
      Also in the internet there are videos with their test.
    3. Mister X
      6 October 2020 12: 13
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      Quote: Old26
      Photo of a flashlight from some "survival site" (somewhere there is an address).

      Found!
      Dynamo emergency flashlight, multifunctional HANG. Only 399 rubles
      Did you use cullet?
      Solar panel or diodes not broken?
  • Old26
    Old26 6 October 2020 13: 53
    +2
    Quote: Mister X
    Found!
    Dynamo emergency flashlight, multifunctional HANG. Only 399 rubles
    Did you use cullet?
    Solar panel or diodes not broken?

    Mikhail, maybe I didn't put it quite accurately, I just listed what is offered for almost 5000 rubles. I have a regular LED flashlight (rechargeable) of about the same format AND cylindrical, also LED rechargeable. We have something recently, though not often, but to turn off the electricity at the most inopportune moment, and that is typical for a time that sometimes exceeds the operating time of the flashlight. In the spring, summer, autumn - it's half the trouble. And in winter. Therefore, I want to buy myself a large LED lantern with a folding (for such cases) LED panel. Will be at home. You can, of course, light candles too ...

    Quote: Mister X
    The chain saw is used by two people. I remember in the video a couple of men, smiling, sawed a healthy birch log.

    You can do it alone, but you have to be sophisticated, especially at first. And yes, most often they worked together.

    Quote: Mister X
    You have not lost anything: the medical one does not saw wood, and vice versa.
    Also in the internet there are videos with their test.

    The medical one may not cut, but the one that I saw at NAZ 40 years ago - works fine on wood. Then, as I already wrote, my comrades and I walked around this NAZ and "licked our lips" from what was there. Some 40 years have passed and almost everything that was there at home. Sometimes some items are even better than they were in NAZ.
    1. Mister X
      6 October 2020 15: 02
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      Quote: Old26
      my comrades and I walked around this NAZ and "licked our lips" from what was there.

      I found a photo of the Soviet NAZ.
      The saw is visible there
  • Old26
    Old26 6 October 2020 15: 39
    +3
    Quote: Mister X
    I found a photo of the Soviet NAZ.
    The saw is visible there

    In NAZ astronauts from the "interesting" things were seen several. In particular, this saw, a double-edged knife, a machete knife (a triangular piece of iron, if in essence). But then we did not have this either. Now, instead of this machete knife, "angular monster", you can have a machete knife, ranging from "Taiga" of various modifications (I have "Taiga-2") to any other (the choice is very rich), and instead of a two-edged knife (an ordinary blade and a saw blade), you can have a rich selection of such knives (ranging from Werewolf-2, which was planned to replace it) to any other (the same Victorinox).
    Everything else could have been assembled then into a set, and even more so now. Only money is needed
    1. Mister X
      6 October 2020 17: 27
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      Quote: Old26
      Werewolf-2 ", which was planned to replace him

      Its main problem is when using the second (master) blade.
      The cutting edge of the knife rests against a pin inside the handle.
      As a result, when working with a saw, a "jam" is formed on the blade.
      A big disadvantage is its non-separable design (rivets), and plastic washers.
      With constant use for its intended purpose, it will fail quickly enough.
    2. Mister X
      7 October 2020 18: 40
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      Quote: Old26
      I have "Taiga-2"

      The same as in the photo?
      I remember that in the 90s something like that was advertised in the newspapers, mixed with Pilot jackets and MMM promotions. laughing
      Somewhere I found a mention that the unclaimed aviation NAZs were put on the free sale.
  • Old26
    Old26 6 October 2020 17: 40
    +2
    Quote: Mister X
    Its main problem is when using the second (master) blade.
    The cutting edge of the knife rests against a pin inside the handle.
    As a result, when working with a saw, a "jam" is formed on the blade.
    A big disadvantage is its non-separable design (rivets), and plastic washers.
    With constant use for its intended purpose, it will fail quickly enough.

    The second blade, of course, was used much less often, but still I used the Werewolf quite often, especially in the 90s, now much less often. Until, fie-fie out of order.
    1. Mister X
      6 October 2020 17: 49
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      Quote: Old26
      used the "Werewolf" quite often, especially in the 90s

      Is there a defect (jam) on the cutting edge?
      And then I only know from the video review.
  • Old26
    Old26 6 October 2020 18: 25
    +2
    Quote: Mister X
    Is there a defect (jam) on the cutting edge?
    And then I only know from the video review.

    Very, very insignificant, literally a millimeter, no more. After sharpening, it seems the second was gone. Although, probably, it was possible to grind off this millimeter on the pin. But, as I already wrote, I rarely used the master blade. There was always something to cut
  • Old26
    Old26 7 October 2020 19: 55
    +1
    Quote: Mister X
    The same as in the photo?

    No, Mikhail, not like that. Maybe I'm confusing indexing, now there are a lot of varieties of the same "Taiga", plus some others, such as "Tundra" EMNIP. I have such


    In addition, at different times I was given heavy knives, which can probably be called a machete knife or an expeditionary knife. Chinese. Firm "Viking-Norway
    Model Н374


    Model N027


    Kuhri


    I bought a knife NR0110 myself. Also Chinese. I liked that it's heavy, sometimes you don't need to take "Taiga" or an ax


    About 10 years ago at the market in a store (household store) I bought the downstream "Tramontina". The length is about 45-50 cm with a blade of 30-35 cm. A sufficiently flexible blade, like a real machete (there were three standard sizes, I didn't take the longest, I took the middle one). I always took it fishing. Throwing a friend in the trunk of a car is very convenient to chop reeds.
    1. Mister X
      7 October 2020 20: 46
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      Quote: Old26
      I was given heavy knives

      Solid collection!

      Quote: Old26
      Firm "Viking-Norway

      I read reviews for a dozen models. Most are quite positive.

      Quote: Old26
      Kuhri

      How does he keep the sharpening?
      The guy had comments on the model in the photo


      Quote: Old26
      bought the downstream Tramontina

      I looked at the prices for these machetes on the Russian website.
      Very affordable prices.
      Personally, my impression of this brand deteriorated after the 1st purchase
      I chose an inexpensive kitchen knife with a serrated sharpening
      After six months, the blade separated from the handle
      I bought the second one - it also fell off.
  • Old26
    Old26 7 October 2020 21: 00
    +3
    Quote: Mister X
    Solid collection!

    Yes, I have picked up in 3 decades. At first there were haphazard purchases and sometimes gifts (it was easy for friends, they don’t bother what to give for their birthday).

    Quote: Mister X
    I read reviews for a dozen models. Most are quite positive.

    Not complaining, although for advanced knife lovers from capitals it sucks. But in our provinces, especially with our salaries, it was very difficult to buy something serious. Although for the last 5 years my salary has become quite good for our region, so you can afford Spiderko or Victorinox, or Opinel. After several years, going out into nature has become rather episodic (several times a year), so the load on the knives is not so great

    Quote: Mister X
    How does he keep the sharpening?
    The guy had comments on the model in the photo

    I have it coated, as in the photo. For 6-8 years I sharpened twice, but to be honest I didn’t use it very often. Therefore, it is difficult to say with a 100% guarantee how it holds which "Kuhri". The one in your photo may be of a completely different steel

    Quote: Mister X
    I looked at the prices for these machetes on the Russian website.
    Very affordable prices.
    Personally, my impression of this brand deteriorated after the 1st purchase
    I chose an inexpensive kitchen knife with a serrated sharpening
    After six months, the blade separated from the handle
    I bought the second one - it also fell off.

    The price is really ridiculous. EMNIP it cost me 150-200 rubles. For fishing, chopping reeds is what you need.
    I agree with the kitchens. One time was enough for me. True, I bought an EMNIP set. After that, I prefer either to take something of ours, or even more expensive, but of high quality