Armenian authorities announced general mobilization and introduced martial law

The Cabinet of Ministers of Armenia has introduced martial law in the country. Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan announced a general mobilization due to the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh.

As the news agency of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic Artsakh1, the Azerbaijani army is attacking simultaneously in different places along the entire line of contact, using Drones, artillery and Tanks... At the same time, the attackers lost 14 UAVs, two helicopters, and suffered losses in armored vehicles.

In this regard, NKR President Arayik Harutyunyan declared martial law, which became known from the message of his press service.

President of the unrecognized NKR has declared martial law in Karabakh, his press service reported pic.twitter.com/09kVce0Ilp

- lifenews_ru (@lifenews_ru) September 27, 2020

In his address to the people, Ilham Aliyev confirmed that the Azerbaijani military had opened fire. At the same time, he claims that this is a response to the aggression on the part of Yerevan. The President of Azerbaijan said that Baku switched to active actions after the shelling of Azerbaijani settlements by the Armenian military, as a result of which the civilian population suffered.

The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry has addressed the population of Nagorno-Karabakh with a warning about the start of a counter-offensive from Baku. The military department recommended that civilians stay away from military installations.

An official statement was made by Ibrahim Kalyn, the official representative of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. He strongly condemned Armenia and announced his support for Azerbaijan.

The Russian Foreign Ministry has called on the parties to the conflict for a ceasefire and peace negotiations.

Meanwhile, fighting continues. The Armenian side managed to destroy several tanks of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. In turn, the Azerbaijani military command reports on the destruction of air defense systems of the Armenian Armed Forces.

Comments

[WILL]

The conflict flares up ... Where is Moscow's Shout? Our diplomats and the President of Russia urgently need to intervene - Reassure the Leaders of Azerbaijan and Armenia.
We still lacked a war near Our borders!

[ssergey1978]

what for? Let them figure it out. The citizens of Armenia will probably go from Russia to defend their homeland. And Russia will sell weapons to Azerbaijan or Armenia if they pay.

[WILL]

Quote: ssergey1978

what for? Let them figure it out. The citizens of Armenia will probably go from Russia to defend their homeland. And Russia will sell weapons to Azerbaijan or Armenia if they pay.

This is not in Russian, selling arms to two conflicting neighbors! it's Nanglo-Saxon style. Not everything is measured by money, especially when blood is shed.
You need to reconcile. You cannot lose influence in this region.

[Deniska999]

With the hands of some askers, press others. The very thing.

[krot]

Armenians - Azerbaijanis are fighting, We are not hot, not cold. They backed away from supporting Russia. Why should we support them? Anyone with ..

[Dimon71]

Well, of course, you are not hot, you are not cold because you live in Russia. And I am an ethnic Russian and I live in Yerevan without even having Russian citizenship. since according to the olehchon scheme, only Khokhlam is given. And by the way, I served in the PF RF VCh 2016. So it's still not clear whose WAR !!!!!

[ssergey1978]

I sympathize, of course, but who did you serve as a citizen of Armenia at the age of 45 in the RF Military District? I think if you would like to get Russian citizenship, even Tajiks get it. And if we only talk about a passport, and do not make movements, what kind of citizenship are you? Or do you think Lavrov will bring your passport home?

[krot]

Well, of course, you are not hot, you are not cold because you live in Russia. And I am an ethnic Russian and I live in Yerevan without even having Russian citizenship.

So go to Kuzbass or Siberia! That you hang around in sunny Yerevan? Because of you, declare war on Azerbaijan?

Or do you think Lavrov will bring your passport home?

These are exactly what they want, without lifting their ass from the couch ..
According to the scheme, he needs, "olehchonoy ...")))

[Rubi0]

The funny thing is that Tajiks find it easier in this regard than any ethnic Russian throughout the post of the USSR, except for Belarus, there is a special agreement between the Russian Federation and Tajikistan, and not this supposedly "compatriot resettlement program" but in fact (slaves) to the most depressed corners country, although for some, if it presses even bread. Take an interest, read and understand what a stupid ethnic policy in the Russian Federation

[Machito]

Quote: Dimon71

Well, of course, you are not hot, you are not cold because you live in Russia. And I am an ethnic Russian and I live in Yerevan without even having Russian citizenship. since according to the olehchon scheme, only Khokhlam is given. And by the way, I served in the PF RF VCh 2016. So it's still not clear whose WAR !!!!!

This is the war of the Washington regional committee unleashed near our borders. Turkey, a NATO member, openly supports Azerbaijan. The United States provides covert support to its protégés, the Armenian government, which came to power as a result of the crush Maidan. Only Russia calls on the conflicting parties to peace. Russia can easily extinguish the war by threatening Armenia and Azerbaijan to send their citizens and businesses home.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Bearded

Only Russia calls on the conflicting parties to peace.

Why are you dissembling?
1. Russia supplies weapons. Not the first day.
2. A large-scale war is not beneficial to Russia from the geolopolitical point of view. and not because Russia feels sorry for these peoples)

Quote: Bearded

threatening Armenia and Azerbaijan to send their citizens and businesses home.

Azerbaijan is not Armenia or Georgia to threaten)))) these times are over) Azerbaijan will build a trans-Caspian pipeline and then empty counters of '88 and much more await you ... ... ... Until now, you have not distinguished friends from enemies. I honestly feel sorry for you .... Over the years, Azerbaijan has never shown disrespect to you, what can you not say about Armenia and you threaten us?)

[Mik1701]

Whoever sells weapons, that and the war. Unfortunately, money decides who lives and who dies ...

[uranium]

You are as Russian in Armenia as Bigfoot in Africa

[Alex Justice]

So it is still not clear whose WAR is !!!!!

Decide.
If the turmoil happened to Australia, I would not hesitate to defend my second homeland. On the other hand, is this war just?

[Aleksandr1971]

It is necessary to support it because while there is a state of unstable equilibrium, both Armenians and Azerbaijanis go to Russia, willy-nilly, without pleasure.

And as soon as the winner is revealed, then Russia will not need nafig there. And Russian troops will be driven out of Armenia. And a US base will appear in Azerbaijan, for example, some kind of radar.

[Keyser soze]

And as soon as the winner is revealed, then Russia will not need nafig there.

Turkish Foreign Ministry said Turkey supports Azerbaijan and will assist in what shape they want.

There the Turks will settle and your influence will end.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Keyser Soze

There the Turks will settle and your influence will end.

Look that your "brothers", the Turks do not nest ...

With tsars, in Russia - EVERYTHING ... There are no tsars ... There is no one to free you, with such your current "benevolence" ...

[Keyser soze]

With the tsars, in Russia - EVERYTHING ...

Isn't that so? It is not immediately visible from the outside ...

[tekinoral]

Quote: BDRM 667

Look that you have "brothers", the Turks do not nest ..

They are already there over a million!

[Pavlos Melas]

It is not very correct to count gypsies, pomaks and Turks together. Despite the fact that they all profess the same religion, they are not the same people.

[Pavlos Melas]

Are you trolling so thick?

[Local from the Volga]

Hide in your camp, we will somehow figure it out without you!

[Lesorub]

Armenian authorities announced general mobilization and introduced martial law

A bad world is better than a good war.

And a US base will appear in Azerbaijan, for example, some kind of radar.

With such a policy of Azerbaijan, it is not tanning.

[alexmach]

You are not at all right about cold and hot. Russia does not need a military escalation at its borders. It can lead to a lot of bad things. But it looks like it will not be possible to appease these without bloodletting.

[paul3390]

On the good - it is necessary to gather representatives of both sides, and deport the whole gopa from Russia to defend their homelands .. Otherwise, we have a bit too much of them, in some districts it feels like they ended up in Yerevan or Baku. Why do we need so many hucksters? Neither one nor the other is needed in the Russian Federation. And at home - let alone figure it out as they want.

[vVvAD]

The banks are not beguiled?
Armenia is a member of the CSTO, an ally, therefore, our WB in Gyumri is on its territory.
We will not support - no one wants to stand under our banner. Let us support and put Turkey in its place - we will gain the trust of Iran (and it supports Armenia) and increase our authority on the world stage. In the world, only strength is still respected.

[the finish]

There is a video where Azerbaijan is deploying unidentified proxy formations from Syria, like meat on jihadmobiles, to the front line.
https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/42868

[Lesorub]

Quote: finish

There is a video where Azerbaijan is deploying unidentified proxy formations from Syria, like meat on jihadmobiles, to the front line.
https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/42868

Quite real - given the close relationship with Turkey.

[dranthqu]

Selling weapons to both sides, then mediating in the conclusion of peace, and then selling more - then both sides will love and respect. And if you separate, then both will hate.

This is not in the style of "Naglo-Saxons" - this is how people treat each other. Do you want a great Russia? Learn. Learn from everyone - Anglo-Saxons, French, Chinese, Afghans, Somalis, anyone you can learn from. And human morality has no place in politics - it only makes things worse, as history shows.

[ssergey1978]

Why not in Russian? Why should Moscow reconcile Armenians and Azeris, especially if they do not want it? Do we need the most? If they want to fight, let them fight, they have their own head on their shoulders. As for money, why should Moscow donate weapons?

[Aleksandr1971]

Russia must reconcile because this flimsy peace is beneficial for Russia.
And the defeat of either Armenia or Azerbaijan will lead to a decrease in the military-political influence of Russia in the region, despite the fact that the economic influence of Russia in the region is so weak.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Alexander1971

And the defeat of either Armenia or Azerbaijan will lead to a decrease in the military-political influence of Russia in the region, despite the fact that the economic influence of Russia in the region is so weak.

I agree completely.
If you don’t help Armenia, the UN troops will be there and the Gyumri base will be closed. And if you help openly, then Turkey and Pakistan will fit in, and moreover, you will not see neutrality in the person of Azerbaijan.
Hard choice.

[saigon]

The base in Gyumri is, of course, a strong argument, but comparing it with the lost base in Vaziani, the argument fades.

[AnderS]

why should Moscow reconcile Armenians and Azeris, especially if they do not want it?

Surely they don't want to? Have you already interviewed all Armenians / Azerbaijanis and found out exactly what they do not want? Or is it that Aliyev, at the head of local moneybags, needed a small victorious war because of the decline in oil prices to maintain the declining support of the population and strengthen his power? Or is it ordinary Azerbaijanis / Armenians who control the local media that promote nationalist hysteria from both sides? Or will it not be ordinary Armenians / Azerbaijanis who will burn there in tanks and die under fire, because, according to you, they want this, and their moneybags will negotiate, trying to bargain for better conditions for themselves, but a piece fatter?

[Maz]

At 6.00, Azerbaijan launched a "lightning-fast counter-offensive operation in the frontline zone" in the Terter-Agdam and Fizuli-Jebrail directions against Nagorno-Karabakh, accusing Armenia of an armed attack and shelling of the Gapanli village of the Terter region, the Chiragly and Orta Gervend villages of the Agdamli region and the Alkhanbeyl villages. district and the village of Jojug Marjanli, Jebrail region.

At the moment, Azerbaijan claims the loss of one helicopter and the destruction of 12 Armenian Osa air defense systems.

The Armenians assert exactly the opposite, that it was Azerbaijan that attacked Stepanakert, and declare that 2 helicopters and three tanks of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces were destroyed.

The future of the CSTO appears vague.

Taking into account the victorious reports of both the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides about the destruction of dozens of weapons and military equipment and personnel of each other, which successfully complement the videos crookedly cobbled together by stupid departmental Hitchcocks, statements by Turkish diplomats about the full support of the Azerbaijani brothers, as well as the revival of military transport aviation RF in the direction of Rostov-Gyumri, according to the template of past years, I expect a stern general with a convincing face soon to appear in the leadership of the RF Armed Forces, who will arrive, jingle, bark and pull away those fighting by the ears in the corners, winning the laurels of a peacemaker.

[1976AG]

Quote: ANIMAL

Quote: ssergey1978

what for? Let them figure it out. The citizens of Armenia will probably go from Russia to defend their homeland. And Russia will sell weapons to Azerbaijan or Armenia if they pay.

This is not in Russian, selling arms to two conflicting neighbors! it's Nanglo-Saxon style. Not everything is measured by money, especially when blood is shed.
You need to reconcile. You cannot lose influence in this region.

What about India and China?
If they want to fight, let them fight. If people do not want to live peacefully, war is inevitable.

[miru mir]

so already
Russian weapons are supplied both here and there

[1976AG]

Quote: miru mir

so already
Russian weapons are supplied both here and there

So I am about the same.

[ammunition]

Quote: ANIMAL

You need to reconcile.

We don't have much strength ... and not enough confidence.
And so ... it would be necessary to hit on Erdogan ... so as not to show off. and that would be the end of it. Azerbaijanis would have died down.

[Grandfather]

Quote: ANIMAL

This is not in Russian, to sell weapons to two conflicting neighbors! it's Nanglo-Saxon style.

and to whom are we brothers there? anyone ... buy ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: ssergey1978

what for? Let them figure it out. The citizens of Armenia will probably go from Russia to defend their homeland. And Russia will sell weapons to Azerbaijan or Armenia if they pay.

And send you there so that stupid questions about "why" are not asked. Direct to the front line, in order to ventilate the brains. And then I will see how you are sitting in the trench, and seeing the guts, the death of your friends, without really sleeping, after you will talk about the sale of weapons.
In our underbelly, a war is already going on in Ukraine, plus Afghanistan, from which drug trafficking for our children has grown tenfold, compared to the time when our contingent was there.
And the Russian Federation is OBLIGED to stand up for Armenia, because it is bound by the CSTO treaty with it.

[ssergey1978]

is your logic okay? Why should I be Russian in the trench of Armenians or Azeris? You need you and sit there. And I have no friends, Armenians and Azeris.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ssergey1978

is your logic okay?

I have that yes, but your logic is lame, and even a curve in both eyes.

Quote: ssergey1978

Why should I be Russian in the trench of Armenians or Azeris?

Well, you wrote here, but they are not fighting. You, couch warrior, were in the war? Do you know what it is? I've been here, and when I write about the war, I have an idea of ​​what I'm talking about.
Have you played computer games, Ale, Russian? Do you think that in war, how can you survive in the game and continue to fight? Have you highlighted the eyes of a friend who is dying in your arms, with a ripped open chest? When your hands are in the blood of a friend, and you cannot do anything, and you just watch the life fade away in his eyes.

Quote: ssergey1978

And I have no friends, Armenians and Azeris.

I generally suspect that you have no real friends. Tie to play computer shooters, couch warrior.
In Afghanistan, too, we didn’t need the Russians ... but there more than ten thousand of our soldiers were relieved. And for what? And many have done this only now, when, under the careful guidance of mattresses, drug traffic has grown by an order of magnitude.
And if you are also a huckster with us, I will explain a simple and basic law of business - money loves silence. Where there is war, where there is instability, etc., no sane investor will invest money. And the more such hot conflicts near our borders, the less we as a country will be attractive to investors.

[aglet]

"Well, you wrote here, but they are not fighting. You, a couch warrior, were in the war? Do you know what it is? I've been here, and when I write about the war, I have an idea of ​​what I'm talking about."
Have you played computer games, Ale, Russian? "
Here I am about too. Hi Armenians with Azerbods are fighting between themselves, why would the Russians pour their blood for someone? weapons on both sides are ours, they will buy cartridges from us, and let them fight, even until the new year. it will not work further, tangerines will have to be taken to Moscow, and so, and so.
"And the more such hot conflicts near our borders, the less we, as a country, will be attractive to investors."
and what the hell do we have these investors in the country now? and why are they even needed if they will export all the profits for themselves, leaving us only waste, destroyed ecology, and a feeling of deep satisfaction from cooperation with a great foreign investor? you need to live on your own, on your own. It is necessary to invest less in the west, it is high time to develop your country

[NEXUS]

Quote: aglet

and what the hell do we have these investors in the country now?

Normal and their number is growing ... think.

Quote: aglet

and why are they needed at all, if they will export all the profit to themselves

Well, when you are kicked in the ass from work, due to underfunding and staff cuts, it may come to you why they are needed.

Quote: aglet

leaving us only waste, destroyed ecology

Go away ... then immediately, as in the 17th, -to the base and then ... yeah ... and immediately climb the palm trees, but the air will be clean and environmentally friendly.

Quote: aglet

you have to live on your own, on yours.

For this, production is transferred to the territory of the Russian Federation, along with technologies, as all the strong economies of the world do.

Quote: aglet

it's high time to develop your country

For this, dear, we need production, technology, money immeasurably, and so on ... and it is for this, I wrote to you above why investments and where technologies.

[Rubi0]

It is not clear why do you need rich successful countries on the periphery, so that they carry investments there, what is the point of raising neighboring countries?

[aglet]

"Normal and their number is growing ... think."
Can you name the numbers?
"For this, dear, we need production, technology, money immeasurably, and so on .."
we have money, just something, but they hide it in offshores, God forbid they will invest in their country. we hide our money, and we are waiting for a foreign fool who will develop our industry for their hard-earned money
"Not needed? Well, when you are kicked in the ass from work, due to underfunding and staff cuts, it may come to you why they are needed."
Which of the foreigners gives money so that you are not fired from your job? Depardieu, maybe? In addition to your hysterics about a kick, can you give examples of how foreign money, somewhere in Uryupinsk, developed the local industry and agriculture? built a factory, a school , bridge over something? or besides words, nothing?
"For this, production is transferred to the territory of the Russian Federation, along with technologies. This is how all the strong economies of the world do."
what productions are being transferred, in more detail, you can not offer a screwdriver assembly. production is transferred to the territory of underdeveloped countries, countries with a warm climate and a large poor population, to reduce costs. but even this does not shine for Russia. and no one will give new technologies, we need to develop ourselves

[NEXUS]

Quote: aglet

Can you name the numbers?

Is it hard for you to find? Or just decided to be smart? Renault concerns in Moscow, Voltsvagen in Kaluga 5 years ago, Mercedes in Soncegorsk (launched a year ago), BMW in Kaliningrad, haven't they built factories? And this is as an example, I took only part of the car industry. And how many jobs are these? Well, if you push yourself hard and make an effort on yourself, then you can surely be able to drive this question of yours into a search engine and get an exhaustive answer to it.

Quote: aglet

we have money, just something, but they hide it in offshores, God forbid they will invest in their country. we hide our money, and we are waiting for a foreign fool who will develop our industry for their hard-earned money

Ooty ways ... do you know such a project - "Time Ahead"? Well, look at youtube ... it is popular there, for people like you, the lazy and inquisitive, it is easy to tell and show.

Quote: aglet

what productions are being transferred, can you in more detail?

Above in my answer, as an example, I answered you clearly.

[aglet]

"Or just decided to be smart? Renault concerns in Moscow, Volzvagen in Kaluga 5 years ago, Mercedes in Soncegorsk (launched a year ago), haven't they built factories in Kaliningrad?"
I asked you not to offer a screwdriver assembly
"Ooty ways ... you know such a project -" Time Forward "?"
yeah, I also know - "doneunas". but still, you did not give examples of industries and technologies that were transferred to Russia, maybe they are not there? screwdriver assembly of a car is still not at all the same

[NEXUS]

Quote: aglet

screwdriver assembly of a car is still not at all the same

Screwdriver assembly?

Is this a screwdriver assembly?

[aglet]

"Is this a screwdriver assembly?"
I see the term "screwdriver assembly" is unfamiliar to you. I explain - screwdriver assembly, this is when there is no full production cycle, and the products are assembled from machine kits, and what they assemble with screwdrivers or Japanese robots does not matter. The plant that you cited as an example was not built by Putin in Russia, but Nissan, in order to reduce production costs. car kits are cheaper to transport to Russia than finished cars to Europe. Nissan probably built the same factories in Africa, but again, not in order to give blacks work, but to reduce costs

[0x0]

one of two things - either you really don't understand, or a provocateur. Hopefully you just don't get it. Firstly, the Collective Security Treaty, to which Armenia is a party, but not Azerbaijan. We MUST intervene. Or do you have the opportunity not to pay on loans, arguing that the bank has a lot of money without you ???
Secondly, not an abstract "instability", but a full-fledged war near our borders, we are not at all in a living. For a variety of reasons. For clarity - you will be on a thrill if the neighbors behind the wall, eating themselves will fight among themselves ??? Noise, screams, etc. ??? I hope you are not a masochist. There are at least crowds of refugees here. And not guest workers (who, at the very least, solve their own issues), but refugees, who will need to be accommodated somewhere, somehow provided. This is the threat of epidemics, this is the threat of man-made disasters from the adjacent territory. Do you really want IT ???. This is a decrease in influence in the region, and problems in Syria (Turkey must not be forgotten), respectively, in the Mediterranean, and possibly in the Black Sea (the straits are controlled by Turkey, and our relations with her can very badly deteriorate). These are big difficulties with Iran as well.
Third, Russia is diligently "surrounded" from all sides with hot spots of instability, hot spots. Because of this, we have to bear significant costs to strengthen our security. Or have you already forgotten the terrorist attacks of the "blessed" nineties ??? Do you want repetition ???
Well, PySy: the biggest pacifists are those who had a chance to somersault on "two-way shooting ranges". This, if it is not clear, are the places where the bear is not plywood, and is actively trying to inflict the maximum possible harm on your beloved organism. I respect the experience I received there, but I categorically do not want this for my children.

[ssergey1978]

You either tie a drink or have a snack better, you are flattened.

[aglet]

"In Afghanistan, too, we didn’t need the Russians ... but there more than ten thousand of our soldiers fell ill. But for what? And many have done this only now, when, under the careful guidance of mattresses, drug traffic has grown by an order of magnitude."
drug traffic has grown after the collapse of the USSR, the daragie rasseane do not struggle with this very much, others have worries now either the virus, or the constitution does not allow to sleep, then it is necessary to fight in Syria

[0x0]

he either really does not understand (the victim of EG?), or a provocateur ...

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: NEXUS

And the Russian Federation is OBLIGED to stand up for Armenia, because it is bound by the CSTO treaty with it.

Andrei - You seem to have been on the site for several years, over there the "generals" shoulder straps have eaten ... Azerbaijan is attacking in Karabakh (the internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan) - and from which side is the CSTO? Armenia itself officially, legally, documented (how else to explain to you) DOES NOT recognize Karabakh as a state ..

[the finish]

By the way, it would not hurt to admit at this point!

[NEXUS]

Quote: kotdavin4i

and from which side is the CSTO?

With the fact that if the Russian Federation does not stand up for Armenia, the CSTO will immediately be covered with a copper basin. For the Russian Federation will show its insolvency in fulfilling its obligations and contracts.
It seems like an adult, but you don't understand such elementary things.

[aglet]

"With the fact that if the Russian Federation does not stand up for Armenia, the CSTO will be closed"
But what is the CSTO? And what will happen if it fails? It seems like an adult, but you don’t understand such elementary things. CSTO, it's kind of like the CIS, it seems to exist, but in reality it doesn't

[NEXUS]

Quote: aglet

CSTO, it's kind of like the CIS, it seems to exist, but in reality it doesn't

After that, WHAT TO TALK TO YOU GENERALLY?

[ssergey1978]

what did he say wrong? Once again, if you want to help Armenia or Azerbaijan, go and help, make peace or fight (all the more, you say you have experience), you can buy them patrons for your salary or pension. Why do you so stubbornly want to get Russia into this? Do we have few problems?

[aglet]

"After that, WHAT TALK TO YOU GENERALLY?"
you won't believe it, I'll pay right now ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: aglet

you won't believe it, I'll pay right now ...

Believe it or not, I don't care.

[aglet]

"Believe me, I don't care."
how can I spit

[AnderS]

With the fact that if the Russian Federation does not stand up for Armenia, the CSTO will immediately be covered with a copper basin. For the Russian Federation will show its insolvency in fulfilling its obligations and contracts.

I don't know how it is legally, but as far as I understand, the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is not a part of Armenia, so Russia cannot "intercede for Armenia", since no one formally attacked Armenia, Azerbaijan is simply conducting a military operation to liberate its occupied territories. .. I think our diplomats understand this very well and will make full use of it in response to any request of Armenians for military assistance ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: AnderS

so Russia cannot "stand up for Armenia", since no one formally attacked Armenia,

In the event of an open war, Russia will have to intervene. Now there is only a confrontation, but if a war breaks out, the CSTO treaty will enter into force. And it will have to be observed.

Quote: AnderS

I think our diplomats understand this very well and will make full use of it in response to any request of the Armenians for military assistance ...

Our diplomats are trying not to bring the matter to open war, because we are not at all in the cashier in any case.

[AnderS]

In the event of an open war, Russia will have to stand up.

I am not aware of the intricacies of the CSTO treaty, but I suspect that if Armenia attacks someone first, then Russia is not obliged to provide any military assistance to Armenia. And since Armenia did not recognize the NKR as part of its territory and since the NKR is not a member of the CSTO, then if the Armenian Armed Forces take part in hostilities on the territory of the NKR, then it will be impossible to regard it otherwise as an attack on the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan on its own territory. Well, again, if the Russian side wants to see the Armenian Armed Forces on the territory of the NKR. So, as long as the Azerbaijani Armed Forces do not invade the territory of the Armenian Republic, Russia will have no reason to officially provide assistance to Armenia. Here's what I wanted to point out.
Do not misunderstand me, I absolutely do not like everything that happens there, I just try to dot it ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: AnderS

I am not aware of the intricacies of the CSTO treaty, but I suspect that if Armenia is the first to attack someone, then Russia is not obliged to provide any military assistance to Armenia.

Yes, that's right ... and Armenia definitely doesn't want to be left alone with this conflict, so it won't attack.

Quote: AnderS

Do not misunderstand me, I absolutely do not like everything that happens there, I just try to dot it ...

Yerevan needs Moscow's support. And therefore, now, diplomats of all interested parties, including Russian ones, are trying to resolve this conflict, or at least freeze it. And most of all, this war is not beneficial to us.

[cat Rusich]

CSTO - Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Russia and Armenia - Everyone argues about Russia - will it help or not ... And the rest - Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan will help? Or is it only Russia that is obliged to help the rest of the CSTO's "reproductive organs"? So that Turkey does not climb into the Caucasus - you need to "warm up" Kurdistan ...

[Safevi2020]

Quote: AnderS

I don’t know how it is legally, but as far as I understand, the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is not part of Armenia, so Russia cannot "intercede for Armenia"

I’m looking at how you minisize yours .... and I don’t catch up with one thing. What else should Pashinyan do so that you understand who is who? Or rather, not you, but those who minus you?

[demo]

Nagorno Karabakh is a territory not recognized by anyone (including Armenia).
The presence of Armenian passports in the pockets of the residents of Karabakh does not make the territory the property of Armenia.
Residents of Donbass (one third of the population) have Russian passports, but this is not the territory of Russia (I hope - for now)!
Any participation of either Russia or the CSTO on the side of this or that country is a gross violation of international law.
We are not the USA. We need to adhere to the established rules of the game.
But we can act as a peacemaker and separate the parties to their barracks.
Although this is a thankless task (the events in South Ossetia have shown what happens), there is no other option.
Yes, and it is useless to pour human blood, for nothing.
Young men from both sides are scattered in pieces and in tanks into ashes - what's that humanly?

It doesn't matter what is the reason - the desire to raise Aliyev's rating or to show his male ego to Pashinyan - it's all the same death of people. And not those who are in the high offices of Yerevan and Baku.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: NEXUS

DKB will immediately be covered with a copper basin.

And why do we need this CSTO, can you explain?
Which of these CSTOs will fight for Russia?
Why should we fight for the Armenians? They are independent, they arrange Maidans for Pashinyan. Let them drown themselves in war.
Maybe the US or the EU will help them.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Maybe the US or the EU will help them.

And let's let everyone go to NATO? Not well, what? Our country is no stranger to sacrificing tens of millions of men, fighting alone with half the world. And why do we need cooperation and moronic unions? In the USSR, too, stupid people sat and did not understand anything, unlike you. Why did the USSR have to fence in general, and after the Warsaw Pact, if such Zomer came, and said, Listen, all of you go to the forest, we ourselves and the multipolar world we will build, and we will master new technologies, and we will print money better than the US Federal Reserve System. We don't need anyone. All go through the forest.
Well, the fact that after, at our borders, NATO bases will start growing like mushrooms, it’s ah yay yay, those who are friends with NATO. They have no shame in conscience. We're good, we just don't want to be friends with anyone.
And give us money, just because we are good, although we are not friends with anyone!
And NATO does not act fairly with us ... here is the same Georgia ... ay ay ay, it arranges wars, invites NATO members and buys weapons from them. Why do the Georgians treat us so badly?
And who would have known with Ukraine ... we didn’t want to be friends, and we didn’t do a damn thing, so that what happened didn’t happen. Well, why did you have to do something, if we are good, and the Ukrainians are not on us.
So well, all of them go to the devil ... let them stomp into NATO, into the EU ... but if NATO bases poke around, then they are in vain, because we are good!
And I propose Zomer as the President of the Russian Federation, because there has never been a more far-sighted strategist and politician in the history of Russia.

[ssergey1978]

And you did not think that the countries surrounding Russia are striving for NATO so that God forbid Russia would not start helping them

[NEXUS]

Quote: ssergey1978

And you did not think that the countries surrounding Russia are striving for NATO so that God forbid Russia would not start helping them

Why talk to you, right? In these countries, rulers are sucked either by Washington or by us. But these kings do not want at all not a new USSR 2.0, not any other associations, since the feeder is nourishing and convenient. And it is better to be the king in your garden than the sixth, on the top shelf, at the toilet as part of a united common state.
You talk it through to the end, but it seems like a feeling that you are deliberately doing this.

[Alexey Sommer]

Andrew!
You have so many emotions that it is difficult to answer you in essence.
But answer one simple question shortly. The USSR and the Department of Internal Affairs have long fallen asleep.
Why do we need Armenia? Do you think if the war they will fight for us?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Why do we need Armenia?

Equally then the same as the other 13 republics of the former USSR.
How's the classic, what are you, the king's muzzle squandering the earth! So no volosts are saved!
And I will try to explain to you why ... while there is still that generation born in the USSR in all these republics, it is necessary to return their lands, because generations will change and there will be a bunch of incomprehensible principalities with an eternal complex of territorial inferiority, as now in Armenia and Azeibarjan. The first question is, do we need it? And this whole story with the political situation around Russia slipped into those times that were still under Peter.
At the same time, why did Russia put millions of its men for all these territories historically? Come on ... right? Everything must be distributed! We are generous and do not remember evil! So?
Well, for starters, when leaving the USSR, many republics took not their own, but Russian, so why worry about that?
And as a result, it turns out that you either do not understand or do not want to understand that in any case, we will return our territories. And about friends and allies ... just take a look at the results of the First World War, the Second ... who was mowed down by these wars in our country? And the number of our Immense has shrunk to 140 million, despite the fact that these territories need to somehow be protected and settled.
Against us is the ENEMY with non-paper tanks and planes. And Russia alone will not survive!
We'll burst out.
And there is no need to shout here, they say we will tear everyone with one left alone. Leave this for the children overnight. We will not break it, because technology, money, the standard of living THERE is higher and more attractive.
You can crush that country not only with weapons ... right? If you think carefully, then no serious sanctions were applied to us, and if they do, all these bawlers about why we should be friends and alliances will scream and start yelling that Putin is again to blame.

[Alexey Sommer]

This is where Russia snapped, that it harnessed itself for everyone.
For Serbia, for example, in WWI.
But take into account dear Andrey. Now is not the first half of the 20th century. The number and size of the territory are no longer important. We will wipe out everyone we need into molecular dust.
You have to spend energy on yourself. Building roads, hospitals, schools, cities.
But at home. And the Armenians ... Let them fight if they like.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

This is where Russia snapped, that it harnessed itself for everyone.

And for whom was she harnessed so hard that she snapped? The Russian Empire lived and flourished, to the envy of all Europe. At the same time, the best scientists, sculptors, architects, inventors, artists came to work in Russia ... mind you, not in the USA, not in Europe, but in Russia, because it was prestigious, very monetary and promising. That is why the same reign of Catherine called the Golden Age of Russia.

Quote: Alexey Sommer

The number and size of the territory are no longer important.

Are you serious now?

Quote: Alexey Sommer

We will mow everyone we need into molecular dust.

I told you about this nonsense ..

Quote: NEXUS

Leave this for the children overnight.

If the EU and the United States really apply serious sanctions, all the way, embargo, etc., you will be damned from the consequences. And no one will shoot at us.

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And the Armenians ... Let them fight if they like.

So you do not understand what I wrote about, from the word at all.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: NEXUS

If the EU and the United States apply really serious sanctions, all the way, embargoes, etc., you will be damned from the consequences.

When they apply, then we'll see.
Until then, let us live as peacefully as possible.
RI was built for centuries. Only 30 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR.
Let's be patient (not to be confused with terpily), maybe not during our lifetime, but everything will be fine with us.
Russia today is a technology leader, if on a large scale.
Cars, computers, jeans all know how to sew, and nuclear reactors, only us.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

When they apply, then we'll see.

Why bring to this? Did you miss the 90s, when in the period from 91 to 2000, more than 10 million Russians died due to the collapse of the USSR?

Quote: Alexey Sommer

RI was built for centuries.

That's exactly what it was under construction! They did not sit like skunks, my hut is on the edge. Therefore, it flourished and grew in territories and the birth rate was not like today's. And it is because of this backlog that we took out these two wars. And there would be no this CONSTRUCTION, hell we would talk to you now.

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Russia today is a technology leader, if on a large scale.

It smelled like slogans from the times of the USSR, with the only difference being that under the USSR these slogans had results and real victories and achievements.

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Cars, computers, jeans all know how to sew, and nuclear reactors, only us.

Yeah ... they will cover for example the AI ​​TI technologies, stop supplying computers, components for them, software, mobile phones, etc., and you will be on a Russian PC running on a nuclear reactor in the internet ... yeah ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: NEXUS

Yeah ... they will cover for the example of AI TI technologies, they will stop supplying

Our IT specialists, look for such more.
That makes them nervous and hysterical that slowly but surely, we bypass our "partners". We do not get out, do not get up from our knees, but go around.
And they really want Russia to get into a new war.
And we will be wiser, we will wait ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

That makes them nervous and hysterical that slowly but surely, we bypass our "partners".

Uh-huh ... show me a completely Russian computer, created on the territory of the Russian Federation, with completely Russian software on sale, which is not inferior to Western ones. And then we'll talk about "bypassing and about hysteria" ... yeah ...

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And they really want Russia to get into a new war.

That is why I said that NOW diplomats are working to resolve all this without blood, or at least freeze it for another 30 years.

[ssergey1978]

If RI prospered that it was bent in 1917, why was it agrarian? And the fact that the sculptor came, and now all sorts of people come and have a salary of millions of rubles when the bulk lives on 25000-40000 rubles

[NEXUS]

Quote: ssergey1978

If RI prospered that it was bent in 1917, why was it agrarian?

Take a history textbook, read other literature and don't ask such questions. I understand this is difficult, but I believe you can.

[Revival]

To the point!
"Prosperous", confuse the greatness and pride of the kings and the life of the people

[Revival]

Well, if the bulk of the powerless serfs and due to this "flourished and flourished", then such prosperity is far away ...
Great country with powerless poor people, thank you, such a formula of "prosperity" is not needed

[ssergey1978]

You don’t understand that we will overstrain again to maintain these 13 republics. We will spend enormous amounts of money, and all the same, these lands will not be ours. Such a policy will lead who to what it led to RI and the USSR.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ssergey1978

You don’t understand that we will overstrain again to maintain these 13 republics.

A moronic hackneyed stereotype that is being driven from branch to branch. For your information, when the USSR collapsed, Ukraine was many times richer than the Russian Federation and militarily stronger.
I will explain to you by the example of your American friends: there are donor states in the USA, and there are subsidized states, but no one has separated there yet. Texas rushes about, they say we are rich, blah blah blah ... but as soon as it secedes, the residents who are bawling for secession will go nuts about prices, lack of jobs, lack of technology and an industry that will stupidly bend without subsidies, suppliers and cooperation.

Quote: ssergey1978

Such a policy will lead who to what it led to RI and the USSR.

Yes? And why was there such a policy that it was due to the fact that we were feeding everyone that they disintegrated? It's really interesting to listen to the true reasons for the collapse of the Russian Empire and the USSR.

[ssergey1978]

Well, if you didn’t go to school, I’ll tell you, and the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR collapsed because of not a very good life, because all the money was thrown into the hungry children of Africa, that is, what you propose to do. Can you clearly explain why you need Armenia? Do you want to build roads for them? Is it possible to do without roads in Siberia? Ukraine was rich because it was supported by the RSFSR and its independent life has confirmed this as it has been confirmed by the example of other republics. Why don't they live well even with the legacy of the USSR and the absence of external debt.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ssergey1978

Well, if you did not study at school, I will say, and RI and the USSR collapsed because of a not very good life, because all the money was thrown into hungry children in Africa

I'm under the table! You made my day! A curtain!

[ssergey1978]

obviously you have another version, I hope you will voice it and I hope from the Armenian trench

[Revival]

In short, they could write: "In my reality, there are no arguments, I will merge covertly."

[NEXUS]

Quote: Revival

In short, they could write: "In my reality, there are no arguments, I will merge covertly."

To merge is your prerogative, dear. And no one forbade reading smart books. If a man is oak like a tree, was born a baobab ... then I see no reason to discuss with him.

[ssergey1978]

Listen not to an oak, an Armenian Rambo: your thoughts are childishly stupid, you know the history poorly if in your understanding visiting architects who paid fabulous fees a sign of prosperity, then it is obvious that we are still prosperous. Revolutions do not occur in prosperous states. The USSR grunted shamefully in an era of rampant impoverishment and violence because rulers who were out of their minds spent money on anything but on pressing problems

[Mik1701]

Your opponents won't understand you. Not on any aspect. Babos rule the world. Age difference divided by education and knowledge of history. Every year fewer and fewer Russians want to help anyone, even Donbass .. And you about Armenia ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mik1701

Your opponents won't understand you. Not on any aspect.

I know that, Mikhail. Here, in the branch, units say the same thing as me, but no one wants to hear them and will not. But if there are even these units, I have hope that sanity and prudence will prevail. I don’t care about the minuses or the pluses. The only benefit they represent for me is that I can see from them how many people are sane, and how many of those who either do not understand or want Russia to never be reborn.

[Mik1701]

Is there a truce in Donbass? Or is it fiction again?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mik1701

Is there a truce in Donbass? Or is it fiction again?

Honestly, there will be no truce there as long as there are dolls in Kiev, with the US hand in the ass.

[Megatron]

Sofa heneral andrei, scratch his throat here, like a bird on a perch.
I advise hands on feet and in aptsah to the trench. And then not to breathe here from your olesitsy.

[Mik1701]

Zelensky is not a bad person, but the environment ..., and it turns out what we see. The system oppresses everyone.

[svoit]

Alas, the USSR will not get it now, only RI, and any empire lives at the expense of its colonies, and not turnover

[Cat]

And the Russian Federation is OBLIGED to stand up for Armenia, because it is bound by the CSTO treaty with it

That's right, otherwise the CSTO will turn into a fiction, well, other participants will think - the same RB.

[tekinoral]

Quote: Gato

That's right, otherwise the CSTO will turn into a fiction, well, other participants will think - the same RB.

Send your son to war first!

[Cat]

Better go up the Chinese mountain yourself, and I'll deal with my children myself.

[Anatoly 288]

In connection with the increase in anti-Russian sentiments in Armenia, a serious question arises, do we need it? Now let the Turks sponsor them, they have eternal love. No benefit from Armenia, only money goes into a black hole, swirled with amers, so be friends

[Cat]

In connection with the increase in anti-Russian sentiments in Armenia, a serious question arises, do we need it?

If Russia keeps silent, will anti-Russian sentiments in Armenia end? Maybe enough to be scattered by allies, even not very valuable ones.

[Anatoly 288]

Armenia recognized South Ossetia, Abkhazia? Have many Russian initiatives been supported by Armenia? Allies are when an alliance, and not looking for benefits and who will give more and how quickly everything was forgotten! How many Russian soldiers were killed for the liberation of Armenia in the next Turkish war of the century before last, and that, but nothing! Armenia existed thanks to Russian efforts, but since memory is short, then the gentlemen themselves, themselves, as well as Georgia. The gentlemen themselves.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Anatoly 288

Have many Russian initiatives been supported by Armenia?

If in this conflict the Russian Federation does not support Armenia by force, the Kremlin will show the whole world, including its allies, that it is NEGOTIABLE. That is, you cannot deal with us and sign contracts.
And in light of the fact that small weak countries are now deciding in whose camp to become, such a step by the Kremlin will bury all hopes that we can at least someday turn the tide of the war with the Anglo-Saxons.

[Anatoly 288]

So go ahead, go sign up as a volunteer, there is a record in Yerevan now! Or the miracles of a hump to heaven You sit, drink coffee, well, go and sign up, or kind at someone else's expense? Haatit our guys put their heads for other people's interests! We have these interests of our own

[NEXUS]

Quote: Anatoly 288

So go ahead, go sign up as a volunteer, there is a record in Yerevan now!

You decided to scare me with this? I'm scared, and what you only saw on TV, I experienced it on my own skin.

Quote: Anatoly 288

You sit, drink coffee, well, go and sign up, or kind at someone else's expense?

Pf ... I repeat for those in the tank! If you didn’t want an alliance, it WAS NEVER TO SIGN THIS AGREEMENT.
And by the way, I won my own, and you were not even standing at that time.

Quote: Anatoly 288

We have these interests of our own

What do you think? Throwing your pact allies?

[Anatoly 288]

Looks like he didn’t finish the fight, since you are inciting to bloodshed, and if you’re so well-deserved, then you have a machine gun in your hands, go down and show it as it should, and we’ll have some coffee, he will comment. And as for treaties, see above, or, as always, with the liberals, a game with only one goal?

[Safevi2020]

Quote: NEXUS

Throwing your pact allies?

and since when is Karabakh included in this treaty? You did not think that Turkey would fit in then and a couple more countries .... Do you need it?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Do you need this?

And you read the whole tape ... you will find my answer to this question too. I understand, it's difficult ... you must first scribble your comment, otherwise what is the man on the branch wrote below, well ... why?

[svoit]

Do not worry, Russia has long proved it and everyone knows this, the last time when it gave guarantees to Yanukovych, and blamed the responsibility on others

[aglet]

"Maybe enough to be scattered by allies, even not very valuable ones."
they are not allies, they are freeloaders. that's who you don't mind, from the word at all. let them fight, maybe they will become smarter, they will understand that the Americans are far away, and the Turks and the Russians are nearby.

[Cat]

these are not allies, they are freeloaders

Let there be parasites, but these are our parasites. If we feed them, then we will dance, and not uncles from across the Black Sea or from across the ocean. In the end, the overlord must support his vassals, otherwise who needs him?

[aglet]

"If we feed them, then we will dance, and not uncles from across the Black Sea."
Pashinyan doesn't think so

[Cat]

Pashinyan doesn't think so

Well then, there is a reason to ask him from ... the dance floor.

[aglet]

will not work. his sidekick is our sun-faced partner. he does not dance against them

[Cat]

our sun-faced partner. he does not dance against them

Ok, then you can turn to Biden, I remember at one time he drowned for the Armenian diaspora And there will be happiness.

[aglet]

"And there will be happiness."
Armenian Diaspora? yes I do not argue. but not Armenia. Turks are closer and dearer to Bayden (nata, after all) than Armenians from armenia

[Terrible GMO]

Quote: Anatoly 288

Due to the increase in anti-Russian sentiment in Armenia,

Not without your submission, anti-Russian sentiments arise in Ukraine, Armenia, Belarus. It would be worth looking at from the side.

[1976AG]

Yes, let them kill each other, they got it already! But those who survive you look and understand that the world is better than war. How long can you babysit them? How old is this conflict?

[NEXUS]

Quote: 1976AG

Yes, let them kill each other, they got it already! But those who survive you look and understand that the world is better than war. How long can you babysit them? How old is this conflict?

In the 90s, the Kremlin turned away from all its allies, not only the near abroad, but also the distant one. Should you remind you of Yugoslavia? By the way, the largest European country had its own industry, technology and not a frail standard of living.
And while people like you said in the 90s, why do we need these hemorrhoids, NATO moved to the East, and now NATO missiles are near our borders.
If we now abandon and betray our allies, not fulfilling the requirements of the treaties, then all those countries that considered the question of an alliance with us will immediately spread to the Anglo-Saxon camp. For any weak country is looking for a strong patron.

[alexmach]

In the 90s, the Kremlin turned its back on all its allies, not only the near abroad, but also the far. Remind you of Yugoslavia?

Please remind and please for details. Since the 1961 Belgrade Conference. Tell us more about these "allies".

The Non-Aligned Movement was formally established at the Belgrade Conference in September 1961. The creation of the Movement was preceded by the Bandung Conference of 1955, trilateral consultations of Josip Broz Tito, Gamal Abdel Nasser and Jawaharlal Nehru in 1956, as well as Tito's trip to Asia and Africa in early 1961 on the Galeb ship [2].

[1976AG]

Comparison with Yugoslavia is completely inappropriate here. The situation is different there. And here people do not want to live in peace from the word at all! And if they do not want to live in peace, no one will force them. Well, now Armenia is in the CSTO, is it strongly pro-Russian? And if, while maintaining membership, we pursue a pro-Western policy, will we force the leadership of Armenia to change? How many years have we been trying to reconcile enemies? Have you reconciled? Practice shows that here it is necessary either to pursue a policy of force, or to let them play enough of the war, otherwise they will never value peace .. And we are now observing the state of neither peace nor war in Ukraine. Games in agreements that exist on paper. And until there is one more "compulsion to peace", then there will be no peace either. We must honestly admit that these conflicts do not have a diplomatic solution and do not engage in self-deception.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: NEXUS

In the 90s, the Kremlin turned away from all its allies, not only the near abroad

Uh-huh, close. Such a neighbor that rushed out of the Union, losing his slippers, each, along the way, grabbing land, while not his own.
Most still build goat muzzles to this day.
And, what is typical, at the same time, all these political and geographical misunderstandings are not able to exist as independent states - for example, a crowd of satellite weathervane.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: NEXUS

And the Russian Federation is OBLIGED to stand up for Armenia, because it is bound by the CSTO treaty with it.

what loud words)) is obliged)))) in Karabakh is also obliged?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sefevi2020

what loud words)) is obliged)))) in Karabakh is also obliged?

Think ... or even religion does not allow you to read the collective security treaty?

[Prjanik]

So, no one has yet attacked Armenia, and Nagorny Canals has nothing to do with the CSTO.

[Egoza]

Quote: ssergey1978

Armenian citizens may leave Russia to defend their homeland

Wait! They will go from Russia. Rather, it will rush even more to Russia, but straight to Moscow. There are such relatives here, like Mara Baghdasaryan, it's a sin not to visit.

[ssergey1978]

That was the irony

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: ssergey1978

Let them understand

The result, in this case, is known. Russia will lose and Turkey will find. Another geopolitical "victory". And we move on to new achievements.

[1976AG]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: ssergey1978

Let them understand

The result, in this case, is known. Russia will lose and Turkey will find. Another geopolitical "victory". And we move on to new achievements.

Intervene only when the Azerbaijani army stands near Yerevan, if of course it comes.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: 1976AG

Intervene only when the Azerbaijani army stands near Yerevan, if of course it comes

And what is not NATO at once near Moscow?

It is noteworthy that the current clash in the conflict zone in Karabakh was predicted with amazing accuracy by the American embassy in Baku. On Friday, September 25, a recommendation to US citizens in Azerbaijan “not to leave the Absheron Peninsula”, where only two large cities are located: Baku and Sumgait, appeared on his website.

A very similar warning was posted on the same day by the American Embassy in Yerevan. In it, the Americans were asked not to visit Nagorno-Karabakh, as well as the regions bordering with Azerbaijan "including the region east of the M4 and M16 highways, north of the Dilijan National Park and the Tavush region up to the border with Georgia."

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4509562?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews

[1976AG]

And where is NATO?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: 1976AG

And where is NATO?

I think with our foreign policy, in a few years they will replace us with our beloved Armenian comrades. Consider that their beloved comrades from Azerbaijan have already been replaced, no less ardently, since Turkey, which supports them, is NATO.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: ssergey1978

what for? Let them figure it out. The citizens of Armenia will probably go from Russia to defend their homeland. And Russia will sell weapons to Azerbaijan or Armenia if they pay.

You forget that the ears of Turkey and the United States are sticking out behind this conflict. This means that there will definitely not be peace for the Russian Federation.

[yehat2]

they will figure it out, but how to live after that? do you think they'll finish well?
we do not need war-torn neighbors

[Maz]

A very eloquent video. Now he is one of the most popular in the Turkish-Azerbaijani segment of Twitter.


willing volunteers

Armenian equipment goes to the border


Azeibarjan tanks-Aslans with Israeli filling burn well.



Until I found news about the closure of the airspace over the war zone.
I hope this decision will be made promptly. For I really do not want another tragic story with someone's Boeing.

[Motorist]

Quote: Maz

A very eloquent video. Now he is one of the most popular in the Turkish-Azerbaijani segment of Twitter.

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Fighting Guard with heavy strides
Going, sweeping the fortress, with fire in his eyes,
Flashing battle orders
Like drops of fresh blood sparkle on swords ...
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(approx. translation)

[krot]

In the video, where there is a record of volunteers in Yerevan, what does the "auto-blocking" Sumerian flag do? At the 9th second

[Motorist]

Quote: krot

what does the "chew-blocky" Sumerian flag do?

If you ask me, I will answer that it was the flag of Armenia, just not all of it got into the frame.

[RED_ICE]

All tanks burn the same

[Cat]

Aslan tanks with Israeli filling burn well.

The gunpowder in the shells does not detonate, which indicates its good quality. True, this does not make it easier for tankers, such creepy shots ...

[ashot1973]

Welcome.
You just forgot this video

[Prisoner]

They are there, in a whisper from Washington and Ankara, start mochilov, and Moscow should take them by the throat? When will they learn to live with their brains?

[krot]

When will they learn to live with their brains?

They have no brains. The whole brain in Washington and London.

[Insurgent]

Quote: ANIMAL

The conflict flares up ... Where is Moscow's Shout? Our diplomats and the President of Russia urgently need to intervene - Reassure the Leaders of Azerbaijan and Armenia.
We still lacked a war near Our borders!

It is not profitable for Russia to destroy the current status quo of the NKAO, since this will force it, instead of the role of a regional arbiter, to take the position of one of the parties and, accordingly, to lose the other, which Turkey and the United States will immediately take advantage of. Therefore, the Russian Federation will continue to insist on a ceasefire and negotiations, possibly until the moment when the territory of Armenia, a member of the CSTO, is not directly attacked ...

Infographics of the Armenian side about the equipment of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces destroyed by them

.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Insurgent

Infographics of the Armenian side about the equipment of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces destroyed by them

screen for the internal audience and not for us .. Straight 15 UAVs)))) Oh, I can't))))

[ashot1973]

Oh, I can't))))

Did you want to see such an outcome ??? You are welcome...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Insurgent

The Russian Federation will continue to insist on a ceasefire and negotiations, possibly until the moment when the territory of Armenia, a member of the CSTO, is not directly attacked ...

Azerbaijan will take what it needed. Armenia will lose what it hoped to keep. Do you think that after this we will have some leverage in the region? Self-elimination of Russia in this conflict will lead to its disappearance as a political force in the region.
I see no reason for leaving Armenia to its own devices as a result of the conflict not to turn its gaze towards the "knights" on white horses from NATO. The soil has already been prepared.

[rotkiv04]

they can express concerns

[Maz]

for comparison, Azerbaijan vs Armenian TV this morning. On one they glorify war, on the other they show destruction and frightened people.

Children Karabakh - Donbass Doesn't Remind?

[g1v2]

Well, the goal is the same for both videos - to put pressure on emotions and cause a patriotic enthusiasm. As soon as an Armenian shell flies into an Azerbaijani village, the same videos will appear on the other side.
I'm just wondering. At one time, the Armenians here on the site told that all you need to do is remove the Karabakh clan from power and immediately, with a twink of an eye and under the wise leadership of Pashinyan, the problem will resolve. So how? And, by the way, then they said that if you just put Pashinyan instead of Sargsyan, everything will bloom right there. So how are you doing? Have you already overcome poverty? Is the industry growing at a rapid pace? Investment flooded with waterfall?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: g1v2

Well, and how are you doing?

They are still in the stage of awareness. Some of them stated here, answering the question about the prospects of Armenia with this "promoted from the masses": "If there is anything, then we will change it too."

[g1v2]

And if they change, then the industry will trample uphill, investments will rush. and poverty will disappear as a phenomenon? And it is far from the fact that Pashinyan himself will leave easily. The party functionary and the oppositionist have different natures. At one time, the GKChP was afraid of blood and was unable to crush the Belodomites by force, and after 2 years Yeltsin calmly and naturally fired up the parliament with tanks. And Vityaz washed those who stormed Ostankino with blood, because Yeltsin was ready for it. The same bullshit is in Ukraine. Yanyk was afraid of blood, Piglet Petya and Turchinov - no. This is a fundamental difference in psychology.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: g1v2

And if they change,

Then it will become mainstream, folk fun - welcome to the banana republic.

[Lontus]

Quote: Maz

Children Karabakh - Donbass Doesn't Remind?

So maybe first deal with the Ukronazis, before climbing where there are no Russians?
Or is the Russophobic Kremlin supposed to help only non-Russians?

[Maz]

Quote: ANIMAL

The conflict flares up ... Where is Moscow's Shout? Our diplomats and the President of Russia urgently need to intervene - Reassure the Leaders of Azerbaijan and Armenia.
We still lacked a war near Our borders!

Lavrov maintains intensive contacts to induce the parties to cease fire in Karabakh and start negotiations to stabilize the situation - Zakharova ...

The head of the European Council called on the parties in Nagorno-Karabakh to urgently cease fire and return to negotiations - a statement ...

France called on Yerevan and Baku to stop hostilities and immediately resume dialogue - Foreign Ministry ...

Lavrov expressed his serious concern to his Armenian colleague in connection with the hostilities on the line of contact with Karabakh, emphasized the need for an early ceasefire - the Russian Foreign Ministry ... but it is not Russia that rules there, it was Turkey who started it. ...

Sergey Lavrov and the Turkish Foreign Minister stressed (https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/4350950) the need for an early ceasefire and stabilization of the situation on the contact line in Karabakh - Foreign Ministry RF

Pope Francis calls for peace in the Caucasus

at the same time .... The command of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces decided to start a counter-offensive operation along the entire front line, the country's Defense Ministry said.

The ministry also reported that a combat helicopter of the Air Force of Azerbaijan was shot down in Karabakh, the crew members are alive

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Maz

France urged Yerevan and Baku to stop hostilities and immediately resume dialogue - Foreign Ministry ...

Let him walk in the forest. And so let them not ask for what they themselves do not do.

[Egoza]

Quote: Maz

Lavrov maintains intensive contacts,

Quote: Maz

The head of the Council called on the parties

Quote: Maz

France calls on Yerevan and Baku to stop hostilities

Etc. But alas! They say that the Karabakh donkeys are the most stubborn in the world. How much can you? !!!!

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Maz

Lavrov expressed serious concern to his Armenian counterpart

That's it, heavy artillery went into action. Our concern is that it’s not a huhry-muhry.

[AllBiBek]

Well, Medvedev seems to have already been put in charge of the Southern Military, let's see what happens next.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

We don't need a war near the southern borders !!!

[silverwolf88]

why did you decide that RUSSIA SHOULD ... the Maidan Pashinyan himself is doing it himself now ... and the main thing is not to accept any refugees from there ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: silberwolf88

why did you decide that RUSSIA SHOULD ... maidan pashinyan

So, to begin with, Russia should not have allowed "Maidan Pashinyan". This was the beginning of the story. Today we can see its climax. Having lost the queen in the middle of the game, it is foolish to complain at the end of it that the pawn is not a queen. These are all consequences of our mistakes.

[silverwolf88]

you read it literally ... RUSSIA should not be less than the pathos of a pawn / queen to anyone and nothing else ... "our mistakes" ... including admitting and not admitting all sorts of Maidan leaders ... but the borders should be closed for unfriendly ones. ..
these are no longer our peoples ... they themselves made this choice ... now they are all on their own ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: silberwolf88

owes nobody and nothing else

You, the campaign, are one of those who believe that the United States is starting war on the BV solely out of the desire to bring light to the peoples sitting in darkness. Well, we help our neighbors based on similar considerations. Here I wash my hands.

[alexmach]

So to begin with, Russia should not have allowed "Maidan Pashinyan"

Must? And she could do it in principle? And if it did not allow it, would Azerbaijan stop claiming the return of Karabakh?

This was the beginning of the story

You have a very short story.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: alexmach

And she could do it in principle?

See how the Yankees work. Parashenko did it - bang, and a new victory for democracy, people rejoice in meeting Zelensky. But nothing has changed.
Ours are accustomed to not betting on their people, and in foreign policy they always work with one handshake person in power, and the peoples - yes chuck on those peoples. In the end, bummer after bummer.

Quote: alexmach

Would Azerbaijan Stop Claiming to Return Karabakh?

In that case, we could support the Armenians no worse than the Turks of the Azerbaijanis. Knowing about this support, Azerbaijan would not go to Karabakh. And in the current situation, if we start to defend, we will completely lose our relations with Azerbaijan, and we will not gain Armenia anyway - all that remains is to observe and express concern. We are no longer there politically. The field is lost.

[g1v2]

Both sides are too eager to fight; the status quo does not suit both sides. Plus problems with falling living standards and coronavirus restrictions. The only thing that holds them back is Russia. They are waiting for Russia to be too busy to intervene. You can't keep them on a leash forever. Neither side can win. It is better to wait until both sides are washed with blood and throw out all the accumulated tension. The week is another and it will be possible to breed them again in the corners.

[alexmach]

Neither side can win

Where does this confidence come from? Azerbaijan is very confident in its capabilities. At the same time, it enjoys Turkish support.

[g1v2]

Turkey cannot fight against Armenia - its territory is under the protection of the CSTO. The Turks do not border on the NKR. For the Armenians, most of the army is considered the army of the NKR and is located there. That is, for the Armenians, the BD will be limited to the territory of the NKR, while the Armenians from the NKR themselves can strike at the territory of Azerbaijan.
The Azeri army is slightly stronger than the armies of NKR and Armenia, but it will then attack the positions that have been preparing for 25 years. Everything has been shot, there are probably minefields and prepared lines of defense. In principle, the first losses of armored vehicles and turntables from an UAV from the Azeri speak of this. Apparently, Azerbaijan's hopes are primarily on the Turkish UAVs provided by Erdogan and the weak air defense forces of the Armenians in the NKR. However, those have su30cm. And the mountainous terrain allows you to work well with anti-aircraft guns and zushki. In general, Azerbaijan will be able to advance, but it will not win. My IMHO of course. Armenians have to try hard to lose, but they cannot win either.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: ANIMAL

Conflict flares up ...

Azerbaijan returned 6 villages and 1 skyscraper.

[Isim soyad]

just announced another 1 liberated village

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Isim Soyad

just announced another 1 liberated village

by cons, see how the toad crushes some) Glory to our homeland)

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Glory to our homeland

And we write our Motherland with a capital letter

[Isim soyad]

Yes brother, "-" do not decide and do not affect reality. And most importantly, the Myrov Dag High-rise was conquered, one of the most strategic posts in this part of Nagorno-Karabakh of the Republic of Azerbaijan. The Ormyan command in Aghdar, the Ormyan commando, the DUKHOVNY warriors surrendered without a fight, sending a SOLDIER with a WHITE FLAG UP. So both AGDARA and the IMPORTANT strategic skyscraper MYROV came under the control of Azerbaijan.

[svoit]

And the "liberated" asked about it? And what freedom will they now enjoy?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Isim Soyad

liberated

Where was the child hiding under the crib not allowed in? Precisely from all "released"? "Liberators" are next, their mother ...

[Isim soyad]

"liberated" from invaders, aggressors, bandits, child-killers, murderers of women, elderly and unarmed, from those who committed genocide in Khojaly, and throughout Nagorno-Karabakh of the Azerbaijan Republic !!! Hiding behind the backs of the Russians and the army of the USSR while attributing the victories to the Ormyan commandos, the Schwarzenegger and the Stolon,. This is your reality, everything is in plain sight and before our eyes. Here you can show all the cartoons, about the destroyed 999 tank, about the 999 drone, about 999 helicopters, there is no war without casualties, the main goal and achievements! But reality says one thing, the Normans are fleeing leaving their posts and weapons, surrendering their positions, villages and skyscrapers, suffering very heavy losses. THIS IS THE REALITY !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Enough talking. Answer what you did to the children and women from those villages.

[Stavros]

Do these villages have names?

[AshPoseidon]

They are already at peace.
"On September 27, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov held a telephone conversation with Armenian Foreign Minister Mnatsakanyan. The situation in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict was discussed," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

[yehat2]

yes, they have been at peace for 20 years now, but there's no point.

[Nychego]

Quote: ANIMAL

Where is Shout of Moscow?

Whom to shout out to?
Turkey has already openly testified to Azerbaijan's support and now he shouts from Russia and just spit and grind.
Armenia, albeit democratic, seems to be an ally. Why shout at an ally? It seems that diplomacy has not yet reached such depths.

[Pereira]

The United States will help two-stalk Pashinyan. Or they won't. HZ.

[Maz]

Armenian Armed Forces destroyed 4 enemy helicopters, about 15 drones, 10 tanks and one infantry fighting vehicle - press service of the Armenian Defense Ministry
.............................
During the counteroffensive, the Azerbaijani army broke through the defense line of the Armenian Armed Forces and occupied seven villages - Azerbaijani Defense Minister

[Isim soyad]

plus 2 more villages recently, and most importantly the skyscraper of Mount Myrov. it is a very strategically important skyscraper that controls several highways and settlements. And also, in Agdera the masses surrendered, raising a white flag in exchange for saving life Your mother, warlike aikanushs tore their hair from anaidoma, I generally keep quiet about the Kardashians.

[Maz]

EU calls on parties in Nagorno-Karabakh to de-escalate and strictly adhere to the ceasefire - Borrell

German Foreign Minister calls on Armenia and Azerbaijan to de-escalate and negotiate - statement

[ancestors from Don]

Russia definitely should not take someone's side, the Armenian authorities purposefully pursued an anti-Russian policy, let Keosayan, Simonyan and Baboyan leave Minsk for Karabakh, interview Aliev))))

[Alekseev]

Quote: ANIMAL

The conflict flares up ... Where is Moscow's Shout?

It is naive to think that armed conflicts can be prevented by "shouting". Peace is enforced only through the defeat of the forces of the opposing side or, one might say, inflicting unacceptable losses on it. Both Azerbaijanis and Armenians screamed for independence during the collapse of the USSR. Well .... Now you have to drink "this cup", which arose precisely as a result of the above collapse. The Azerbaijanis, apparently, decided that being richer than the Armenians because of the oil resources, they could, by purchasing a certain amount of modern weapons, crush the Armenians and annex Karabakh "in the back." But my grandmother said it in two. Azerbaijanis do not like to fight, they trade in the markets of the master, but how can there be no military luck and mass funerals begin, it will be sweet The presence of our military base in Armenia insures Armenia itself (but not Karabakh), what insures Baku? Time will tell.

[Isim soyad]

time is already showing, 9 villages, a skyscraper, + in Agder the Ormans surrendered, they were taken without a fight.

[Nikanet]

Go calm down your brothers. Civilians are being fired in the morning. That's the answer!

[tekinoral]

Quote: ANIMAL

We urgently need to intervene Our diplomats,

And it is still not decided for your intervention!

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: ANIMAL

Where is Shout of Moscow?

Here it is:

The Russian Foreign Ministry has called on the parties to the conflict for a ceasefire and peace negotiations.

This is not yet an expression of concern, but already, you see, it is powerful!

[Maz]

MO of Azerbaijan Jacob published footage from a drone, which captured a strike on Armenian ground targets .... on the positions of the "Osa" air defense missile system of the Armenian Armed Forces.
After the fake videos in Libya, it's hard to believe. The strikes were allegedly carried out from the Turkish Bayraktar TB2 UAV.

We'll take a look.
In the meantime ...
In total, in the bottom line, we have quite a full-fledged 08.08.08 in Nagorno-Karabakh.

[Prahlad]

It feels like radars are not able to detect it at all

[Vadim237]

SAM calculations are just brakes.

[loki565]

This is not a Bayraktar TB2, but an ordinary quadcopter is aiming, so the OSA does not see it

[Pereira]

... Where is Shout of Moscow? ... We still lacked a war near Our borders!

This war is near the borders of Georgia, Turkey and Iran. And shout to them.

[BIABIA]

Here are just another war and not enough between the Union republics. And the Turks are still right there ...

[l7yzo]

I think each side has its own truth. You probably voiced one of them.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: l7yzo

I think each side has its own truth. You probably voiced one of them.

Truth does not happen to everyone. Karabakh even has an Azerbaijani translation and meaning. There is also international law. Everywhere it is written that Karabakh is an integral part of Azerbaijan. All! There is no other truth. We will not reconcile to them with the loss of our land.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Truth does not happen to everyone.

There is. As in this case.

Quote: Sefevi2020

Karabakh even has an Azerbaijani translation and meaning

The Armenians have their own name for this region. And, if you really think so, then Karabakh was part of the Armenian state when Azerbaijan did not exist yet

Quote: Sefevi2020

There is also international law.

There are brothels too, but what's the point of mentioning them?

Quote: Sefevi2020

We will not put up with the loss of our land.

Armenians think so too

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The Armenians have their own name for this region. And, if you really think so, then Karabakh was part of the Armenian state when Azerbaijan did not exist yet

Let's then remake the whole world after that era?)))))) Or do you see losers in us? By the way, read who is the founder of the name of Karabakh about which you write.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

There are brothels too, but what's the point of mentioning them?

I see clear abnormalities in your gray matter. I mean the UN and you mean the brothel. IT IS NECESSARY TO EAT !!!!

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Armenians think so too

Delirium tremens) are already used to

[Keyser soze]

Or do you see losers in us? ...

Bjb ... yes

[Pereira]

What is the fundamental difference between the UN and a brothel?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Pereira

What is the fundamental difference between the UN and a brothel?

The brothel puts the staff under the clients, and not its other clients, who turned out to be weaker.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Eeeee ... to admit, I have not yet met a more precise definition

[Yar Koschak88]

Sharp! Overseas!))) (C)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Let's then remake the whole world after that era?)))))) Or do you see losers in us?

The question is not about loser, but about the fact that both Armenians and Azerbaijanis have quite solid grounds to consider Karabakh theirs. This question is not resolved by references to history.

Quote: Sefevi2020

I see clear abnormalities in your gray matter. I mean the UN and you mean the brothel. IT IS NECESSARY TO EAT !!!!

Stunning naivety :)))) Right, my dear man, this is a set of norms and rules established and protected by the state authorities. So international law does NOT deal with this. The USA violated this right during the invasion of Grenada, Panama, Iraq in 2003, the attacks of Yugoslavia in 1999 and Libya (1986), interference in the affairs of Nicaragua were illegitimate. And what was the UN doing? Threatened with a finger, without taking any action. If the right is insolently trampled upon and not enforced, it ceases to be right. But it begins to quickly acquire the features of an ancient profession.

[rotkiv04]

so go and fight, and do not sit on the couch, black-ass warrior

[l7yzo]

And you know, I'll probably never understand why neighbors, and sometimes brothers, often become enemies, and hate each other so fiercely.
After all, it is as old as the world - divide and rule.

[alexmach]

Truth does not happen to everyone. Karabakh even has an Azerbaijani translation and meaning

And nothing that is inhabited by Armenians?

Everywhere it is written that Karabakh is an integral part of Azerbaijan

Why do you need a region populated by Armenians?

[dauria]

между allied republics.

Forget it. There are interests of the local bourgeoisie. This determines everything. They will become allies only if it is necessary to rob someone else. And even then for a while. And the peoples, yes, they do not care about the peoples, they will find spreading cranberries on their ears. From religion to "horrific atrocities".
It is necessary to extinguish all this until it flares up. At least a bucket of slops, but put out.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: BIABIA

Here are just another war and not enough between the Union republics. And the Turks are still right there ...

I will correct ....

That's just another war and there was not enough between

former as already 1/4 century

union republics.

And the Turks are still right there ...

so they live side by side, as if through Nakhchivat in Armenia they would not hit ...

3rd Field Army, headquarters in Erzinjan, grouping of troops near the borders of Armenia and Georgia.
- 9-st AK (Erzerum): 4-I tbr; 1-I, 2-I, 9-I, 12-I, 14-I, 25-I mehbr; 34-I, 48-I, 49-I, 51-I pbr.
- 4 AK (Ankara): 1-i pbr, 28-i mehbr; 58 arbr.
* Aegean (4) field army, headquarters in Izmir, grouping of troops along the western coast of Turkey.
- 19-i pbr; 11-i mehbr; 57-i arbr.
- regiment CH.

https://topwar.ru/6247-armii-mira-suhoputnye-voyska-turcii.html
The 3rd PA was always "imprisoned" against the Soviet Transcaucasia ...

The 1, 2 and 3 field armies are capable of creating peacetime forces of about 50000 people and 300-350 tanks each in peacetime forces. Although the Russian Federation has no border with Turkey, the potential for military clashes with the Turkish army exists due to two factors.
The first factor is the presence of a defense agreement between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia. Two separate motorized rifle brigades (formerly 102-I military base) of the Russian army are stationed in Armenia and Gyumri in Armenia. Near the borders of Armenia, the 9 Army Corps of the 3 Army Field Army of the Army of Turkey, consisting of one tank, six mechanized and four infantry brigades, are deployed. With these forces, the Turkish army is able in a relatively short time (5-7 days) to create an offensive group of 40-50 thousand people, 350-370 tanks, up to 700 guns, mortars and RSZO of field artillery, army army, armies, regimental artillery, army army, armies, mortars and RSZO in the operational area of ​​Gyumri - Yerevan for a relatively short time (15-20 days). , providing support for the grouping of several squadrons of front aviation. During the 80-100 day it is possible to expand this grouping to 600-700 thousand people, 1200-1300 tanks and XNUMX-XNUMX guns and mortars.

there ...
Also, the Turks organize the supply of the Azerbaijani army through Georgia, namely through the port of Trampoline, where they feel themselves masters ...

[l7yzo]

This is a direct setup from his side to us. Cover them when Azerbaijan and the Turks push them to whom will they run? And here is Turkey's NATO. That is why he did it without thinking.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

As I already wrote on another page, the US Embassies in Azerbaijan and Armenia simultaneously warned their citizens not to travel to the border area and Karabakh itself.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

The Americans are muddying the waters. We did not quite work out with Belarus, so we entered from the south. The adversaries now want to start a war on the southern border of Russia. The GRU, the Ministry of Defense and the Russian Foreign Ministry again slept through everything.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

The Americans are muddying the waters. We did not quite work out with Belarus, so we entered from the south. The adversaries now want to start a war on the southern border of Russia.

Rather, Turkey, it has a huge influence on Azerbaijan, and with Belarus - where Poland plays the first violin, such an attempt to restore the Ottoman Empire in a new format in the south, and the Commonwealth in Europe. And the United States is now fixated on the elections and China.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

What prevents the US from using NATO partners, both Poland and Turkey ???

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5

What prevents the US from using NATO partners, both Poland and Turkey ???

Nothing hinders, but the US interest in Belarus and the Azerbaijan / Armenia conflict is not yet visible, if the US had a goal to replace Lukashenko, then we would see more active actions in this direction, sanctions, the creation of an international coalition and other US chips on regime change, but there the ears of Poland are visible to the naked eye, of course, the Americans are strategically beneficial for such conflicts around Russia to weaken it and create hotbeds of tension, but the interests and ambitions of other participants must be taken into account.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

I disagree with this opinion. It seems to me that there is an American trace here.

[alexmach]

but US interest in Belarus and the Azerbaijan / Armenia conflict is not yet visible

Here I laugh out loud. This is the interests of the United States, which are destabilizing the situation around the world, is it not visible?
Approximately
- Reduction of Russian influence in the region, ideally spoiling from the Russian base
- Formation of hotbeds of instability at the borders of Russia
- Formation of a springboard for pressure on Russia from the South and on Iran from the North .. well, ideally, a bit on Turkey too.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: alexmach

Here I laugh out loud. This is the interests of the United States, which are destabilizing the situation around the world, is it not visible?
Approximately
- Reduction of Russian influence in the region, ideally spoiling from the Russian base
- Formation of hotbeds of instability at the borders of Russia
- Formation of a springboard for pressure on Russia from the South and on Iran from the North .. well, ideally, a bit on Turkey too.

You do not need to rip phrases out of context, but be able to read the whole thought completely. Where did I write that the US is not destabilizing the situation around the world? I just wrote that the United States' interest in Belarus and the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan is not as high as many think, but such hotbeds of tension around Russia are strategically beneficial for them, but do they play the first violin? Is it not clear that Azerbaijan has enlisted the support of Turkey and decided to resolve the Karabakh issue by force? Or in Belarus, as Poland pulls the strings? Each major power has its own interests and many want to become a regional and then a world leader .... and with regard to the United States, they are now more concerned with elections, China and their own stability. And it’s about Belarus and Armenia / Azerbaijan, it’s 5-10 or whatever in the list of interests ...

[alexmach]

Yes, I probably agree that the Turks and Poles are primarily active there. Only I very much doubt that they would have done it without the "approvals" from Washington.

[Aleksandr21]

Who knows .... the world is changing very quickly now. Erdogan clearly acts only on the basis of his interests, even the explicit disapproval of the United States did not prevent the Sultan from remaking the Hagia Sophia into a Mosque, or buying the S-400, and in general, Turkey is pursuing a very aggressive policy in the Middle East and wants to restore power over those territories that were lost. With Poland, here of course Washington's influence is huge, this is their Trojan horse in the EU, but the Poles also have ambitions, an attempt to redistribute the European borders of influence is their game, the NEXTA channel is a Polish project, all these easing of migration, when Belarus is deprived of business and youth , which leaves to study / work in Poland, and if the Poles put their puppet in Belarus, then this is still a new market for their goods, and this is already an application for leadership in the EU, along with Germany / France. Well, as regards the United States, they are now all in the game of thrones and the battle for the throne, after the elections, the further strategy of the United States in the world will already be clear, but for now everyone is just wondering which way they will go. Trump and Biden have completely different approaches and views on the American world order in the world. But in any case, the hegemon is not the same and the world has entered a new era, when the United States is losing its strength and position, and other centers (China - Asia, Russia - CIS, Turkey - BV and others) begin to act in order to either preserve their zone of influence either expand.

[svoit]

Sleep - they are masters, they are replayed in all directions. Can't inject pro-Russian people into the power elites

[Dimon71]

Who did?

[Safevi2020]

Quote: l7yzo

when Azerbaijan and the Turks will press them to whom will they run?

How where ..... will run to TURKEY. There are 150 thousand illegal immigrants.

[Orange bigg]

Well, what started in full? What is the balance of forces? Who knows?

"The troops of the Azerbaijani army have launched a" lightning counter-offensive "operation along the entire front, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry reports. According to them, the military managed to destroy 12 units of anti-aircraft missile systems of the air defense of Armenia. “In order to suppress the combat activity of the armed forces of Armenia and ensure the safety of the civilian population, the command of the Azerbaijani Army decided to launch a counter-offensive operation of our troops along the entire front. The personnel and tank units, with the support of units of the missile and artillery troops, front-line aviation and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), having discovered a large number of manpower, military objects and military equipment of the Armenian armed forces located in the front line and in the depths of the enemy's defense, destroy them "- said in the message of the Ministry of Defense", - reports the Russian information publication Kommersant.

It is known that Azerbaijan really used missile weapons and attack unmanned aerial vehicles to deliver strikes on the territory of Armenia, while today the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan cannot use combat aviation due to the fact that Armenia has a developed air defense system, and The most effective air defense systems are the S-300 complexes, and although Baku does not comment on which positional areas of the air defense systems were destroyed, there is a possibility that this may also apply to the Favorit complexes.

https://avia.pro/news/azerbaydzhan-unichtozhil-12-kompleksov-pvo-armenii-vsego-lish-za-4-chasa

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

And you so want that war broke out ???

[Orange bigg]

I feel like it? Why on earth? If you have not noticed it is already in full swing. Azerbaijan is striking the territory of Armenia from the words of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry itself. This is a war calling a spade a spade. And what is written in the CSTO charter, whose members are Russia and Armenia. So, in fact, peacetime is the fact ended. The alternative to throw Armenia, after which everyone will understand that a military alliance with Russia means nothing and as a result we will get a conflict in Syria, Belarus, Donbass, Crimea, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria. The Georgians knew what they were saying, hinting that Soon they will allegedly return "their" territories. They were aware that something was being prepared. The conflict is similar to the war on 08.08.08. God forbid if we give up the slack. Then everything will blaze at once.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

We did not quite work out with Belarus, so we entered from the south. Now the Americans still want to start a war on the southern border of Russia.

[Orange bigg]

Or maybe they want to unleash a war everywhere and at once, both in Belarus and in the south? For Biden now, like McCain in 2008, this is right now (make Russia an obvious aggressor, and call Trump an agent of the Kremlin) in connection with the latest corruption scandal around his son Biden. The democrats have nothing to lose. It's called the bank. Everyone will just look at the reaction of Russia to the current events (Poland, Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Turkey with regards to Syria) and if they consider it weak, they will decide on the use of force, Russia did not intervene. they say, she did not stand up for an ally in the CSTO, which means we can try our luck.

[Operator]

After the coup d'état under the leadership of Nikol Pashinyan, Armenia is no one for us to call her: let it turn to its benefactors, the United States (also Turkey's NATO ally) for help.

And there is no need to mix South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Transnistria with pro-Russian governments or, even more so, Donbass (participant in the Civil War on the outskirts), Belarus (subject of the Union State) and Crimea (subject of the Russian Federation).

Armenia will serve as a vivid example of what will happen to every pro-American state in the post-Soviet space.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Operator

let him turn to his US benefactors for help

If Armenia applies, the US will help them, don't worry. Even the bases on the borders of Iran and Russia will not interfere with them, especially with Turkey. But is it in our interests?

[Operator]

And what, the existing American bases on our borders (Turkey) and borders with Iran (Qatar, KSA, UAE) have already disappeared somewhere?

[svoit]

Armenia is first of all people, and the elite can always be changed, the main thing is not to delay with this. Here, of course, Russia needs to study a lot, because over the past 20 years it has not even begun to do this, but it would be high time ...

[Avior]

The fighting is taking place in Karabakh, and this is not the territory of Armenia, officially it is the territory of Azerbaijan.
Azerbaijanis do not shoot at the territory of Armenia proper.

[silverwolf88]

The CSTO charter assumes that the party to the conflict (for example, Armenia) does not attack itself ... only concerted actions ... if they themselves are contrary to the organization's charter ... well, the flag is in their hands ...

[Operator]

The NKR is not part of the CSTO, and the agreement on the establishment of the CSTO does not apply to third countries.

[g1v2]

Screw the tantrum, plz. The conflict is not the same as 888. Both sides are now our trading partners. If you didn't notice, we sold weapons to both sides. Aliyev is quite sane and we have quite good relations with him in order to break off relations because of other people's interests. There is a five-sided treaty on the Caspian Sea, a north-south corridor to Iran. Ours will definitely not fight. Karabakh is their own turmoil with Armenia. Too much tension has accumulated on both sides - it needs to be thrown out. Then again VVP will talk with both sides and again declare a truce until a new aggravation. The population will burn out. Both sides will be convincingly proved that it was they who won and the patriots will again go to work.

[alexmach]

The population will burn out. Both sides will be convincingly proved that it was they who won and the patriots will again go to work.

I don’t know, it’s not really burned out since the last time. When did they sweep away this .. Sargsyan? I have already forgotten the name of their past, and they blamed him for the loss of heights in Karabakh.

[qQQQ]

Quote: OrangeBigg

And what is written in the CSTO charter, of which Russia and Armenia are members?

In fact, for us now Armenia is a rather hostile state, there is no point in getting involved in a war for its interests for us. Azerbaijan, with all its contacts with Turkey, is much more loyal to us. On the good, it is necessary to send the citizens of both countries home, let them sort things out there. And if our Foreign Ministry succeeds in avoiding the fulfillment of obligations under the CSTO agreement, this will be the correct message to everyone else that Russia's interests must be taken into account, then there will be protection, and if we get involved, there will be a reverse message that it is possible to pursue an anti-Russian policy, but if something happens get help from us. And most importantly, close the border.

[Orange bigg]

In this case, you can forget about the CSTO and the Union State with Belarus, and in general about any form of integration in the post-Soviet space, even in the form of mythology for the sake of appearance. And this is the basis of Vladimir Vladimirovich's foreign policy. Everyone will understand that we can bend us on other issues regarding Syria. , Donbass, Crimea and will intensify their pressure on us, including sanctions. In general, that Pandora's box will open for us after an obvious betrayal in fact and de jure of our ally Armenia. Those who choose shame instead of war will receive shame and war. I remember exactly who said this phrase.

[rotkiv04]

Churchill said

[aglet]

"Everyone will understand that we can be bent on other issues as well"
all this has long been understood, and are successfully deflected. examples?

[Orange bigg]

Well, bring me.

[aglet]

for a start - Nord Stream2. there Denmark specifically bent down, Bulgaria, which turns Gazprom as it wants, China, to which a gas pipeline was built, but he does not want to use it, Poland, to which Gazprom paid a lot of money, in violation of the agreement, Africa, which was forgiven huge debts and offered new loans, well, etc. are you actually interested in news? sometimes read something

[Orange bigg]

The Europeans sagged on SP-2, not us. It was not a fig to rely on partners. You have to build everything yourself. If you want to do something well, do it yourself. Bulgaria is not running Gazprom, there will be no gas pipes. China has built the Power of Siberia under a contract because it is interested in it. There is a demand for gas. It's just that no one would build such a project. Africa would still not pay back its debts, but so we forgive debts by agreement in exchange for cooperation on mutually beneficial projects. So you'd better delve into the essence of the news that you read.

[aglet]

"Africa still would not have paid back its debts, but we forgive debts by agreement"
a very good answer that explains everything. I can add Ukraine, which put a bolt for 3 billion dollars, and will not give it back. and how is it not caved in sp2, why are they not building then? Denmark does not allow, or Luxembourg?
"The Power of Siberia was built to China under the contract because it is interested in it"
if he is interested in it, why does he buy lng from amerikosov?
read the news more carefully, more carefully

[qQQQ]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Everyone will understand that we can be bent

Nothing of the kind, everyone will see that if support is needed, then our interests must be taken into account.

Quote: OrangeBigg

Those who choose shame instead of war will receive both shame and war.

As far as I remember, Churchill said this about the conclusion of the Munich Agreement. This quote does not apply to this situation at all. Armenia itself chose the path of a state alien to Russia.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5

And you so want that war broke out ???

He has a canopy sofa ...

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Very bad news.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

Very bad news.

depending on whom)

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

And you are happy to start the war ???

[seregin-s1]

Armenia is an occupier. Azerbaijan must return its land. The CSTO has nothing to do with it.

[rotkiv04]

is it you so decided that the occupier?

[seregin-s1]

In addition to Nagorno-Karabakh, seven regions of Azerbaijan were captured.

[dranthqu]

How many and what kind of weapons do you need to buy for the war of liberation? Maybe Pantsir-S or S-400? Or drones instead of lost ones?

[rotkiv04]

these are historically disputed lands and rather belong to Armenians than Ayzers

[Safevi2020]

Quote: rotkiv04

is it you so decided that the occupier?

it was decided by the UN, it was decided by the Kremlin and it was decided by Armenia itself. This was also decided by the European Parliament and the OIC. Enough?

[rotkiv04]

documents to the studio, where and when Armenia and the Kremlin decided, your Iizer opinion does not count at all

[Lara Croft]

Quote: seregin-s1

The CSTO has nothing to do with it.

I partially agree. The CSTO is mostly made up of Turkic peoples, in the Republic of Belarus is a mess, so the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan in the event of the crossing of the Armenian border by the Azerbaijanis, the latter will have to deal with the Legendary and Invincible Army of the Russian Federation, represented by its hardened 58th OA in battles with units and reinforcement units ...
If the bloodbath is located within the territory of NGOs and Azerbaijan, the Russian Federation with cheerful enthusiasm will throw B and BT on both sides ...
And the "ancient Sumerians" will find something to drink for Azerbaijan and Georgia ...

[lubesky]

The Armenians burned the equipment normally. And the video design itself smells like Hollywood and planning.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: lubesky

The Armenians burned the equipment normally. And the video design itself smells like Hollywood and planning.

Azerbaijani tankers were set up for an artillery ambush. The Armenians were clearly working in the target area. A frank miscalculation of the Azerbaijani command.

[lubesky]

Or they did not miscalculate, but they thought so ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: lubesky

Or they did not miscalculate, but they thought so ...

Too tough sacrifice.

[Old shoe]

And this is for sure not to go back. After all, there are champions of peace and champions of war on both sides. Now the champions of peace in Azerbaijan have less chances. And given the mentality ... revenge is such a driving force!

[Oquzyurd]

The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has just reported that 5 villages of Fizuli and 2 villages of Jabrayil region, which have been under the occupation of Armenia since 1994, have been liberated, in addition, they have liberated several strategic positions on the top of Murovdag (mountain)

[Insurgent]

Quote: Oquzyurd

The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has just announced that they have been released

Did they invent the status of "liberator" themselves, or was it suggested by who, against the background of the obvious uncertainty of the status of the territories, both from a historical and a national point of view?

Such self-styled "visitor"they also came to us, in 2014 ...

[Oquzyurd]

You apparently do not know the state of affairs. Those villages are part of those 7 regions (or rather, at the moment we are talking about 2 regions) that have never been part of Nagorno-Karabakh. What status are you talking about? Even if Nagorno-Karabakh is given some status, all Equally, these villages outside Nagorno-Karabakh and were inhabited by Azerbaijanis before the war in the nineties. The villages are only naming, since during the years of occupation they were dismantled to the ground (literally), our humane neighbors took away as a construction material.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Oquzyurd

The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has just reported that 5 villages of Fizuli and 2 villages of Jabrayil region, which have been under the occupation of Armenia since 1994, have been liberated, in addition, they have liberated several strategic positions on the top of Murovdag (mountain)

Wait a minute . Don't jump to conclusions. Let the fog of war dissipate. By the evening something will become clearer.

[Oquzyurd]

Reporting MO, not me))

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Reporting MO, not me))

It is understandable - " The dog barks, the wind carries "

[Interlocutor]

A frank miscalculation of the Azerbaijani command.

What a miscalculation? There are some show-offs.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Azerbaijani tankers were set up for an artillery ambush. The Armenians were clearly working in the target area. A frank miscalculation of the Azerbaijani command.

Loss data (accurate) will be tomorrow. Now don't believe it.

[g1v2]

It seemed to me that one tank ran into a mine before, no?

[voyaka uh]

It seemed to me that it was a burst of an artillery shell close to the tank.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: voyaka uh

It seemed to me that it was a burst of an artillery shell close to the tank.

Exactly.

[gorecc]

did not understand what has Armenia to do with it? if the battles are going on in the "independent Artsakh republic", why does Armenia announce general mobilization and martial law?)))

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Gorecc

"independent Artsakh republic"

Who recognized this independence?))))))))))))))))))

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Gorecc

did not understand what has Armenia to do with it? if the battles are going on in the "independent Artsakh republic", why does Armenia announce general mobilization and martial law?)))

You ask the Azerbaijanis about this. They want to return the so-called "primordially Azerbaijani lands of the Iravan Khanate". They surrender Karabakh, then Yerevan will be next. This is a matter of life and death for Armenia.

[Mountain shooter]

Another "Turkish Gambit"? Erdogan clearly could not do without ... Those in Syria burned themselves - now in Karabakh they will try to get revenge? And ordinary Azerbaijanis will pay.

[Trapp1st]

And ordinary Azerbaijanis will pay.

Maybe the 3rd field army of Turkey will be connected, then the history of Armenia will end very quickly, and even Russia will be unable to oppose anything except concern.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Trapp1st

even Russia, apart from concern, will not be able to oppose anything.

Tell Saakashvili ... 08.08.08 ...

[Trapp1st]

Saakashvili tell it

What does Georgia have to do with it?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Trapp1st

What does Georgia have to do with it?

Did you want an example? When Russia, apart from "concern", did not "oppose" anything ... And the modern Russian army is not like the one 12 years ago ...

[Trapp1st]

the modern Russian army is no match for 12 years ago

First open the map, or have you already defeated the Turkish army with a motorized rifle brigade?

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Trapp1st

the modern Russian army is no match for 12 years ago

First open the map, or have you already defeated the Turkish army with a motorized rifle brigade?

But missiles with special units can defeat the Turkish army and the map will not help here.

[alexmach]

So Turkey is not like Georgia, and besides, there is still no communication with the theater of military operations ...

[72jora72]

What does Georgia have to do with it?

And what has Turkey to do with it?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: 72jora72

And what has Turkey to do with it?

Quote: Trapp1st

Maybe the 3rd field army of Turkey will be connected, then the history of Armenia will end very quickly, and even Russia will be unable to oppose anything except concern.

Well, sort of the answer to that ...

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Trapp1st

And ordinary Azerbaijanis will pay.

Maybe the 3rd field army of Turkey will be connected, then the history of Armenia will end very quickly, and even Russia will be unable to oppose anything except concern.

The recent events in Syria refutes your assumptions. The Turkish field army was knocked out of Serakib, although it did not want to leave. So it is not necessary to la la.

[Orange bigg]

Can Turkey's 3rd Field Army connect,

There are rodents in the field. I have not heard about the field armies.

[alexmach]

And ordinary Azerbaijanis will pay

Well .. if they are stupid enough to fight for Turkish and American interests, then what can you do.

[Nikolai Petrov]

Well, well, that some "warriors" that others. They are pushing forward to the Moscow markets to sell persimmons and tomatoes. Here are the radishes!

[Freeman]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Well, well, that some "warriors" that others. They are pushing forward to the Moscow markets to sell persimmons and tomatoes. Here are the radishes!

It was precisely the struggle for the Moscow markets that developed into a military phase. IMHO

In the summer there was information that the Azerbaijani owners of Moscow food bases refused to let Armenian traders with their goods into their territory. Then, it seems, the Azerbaijanis were pulled by the Moscow government and the situation calmed down somewhat.

[KAVBER]

Let both sides first shove each other well, then it will be easier for the forester to drive everyone into the stall

[bukhach]

How many years have passed and things are still there, a sad picture. Read the thirty-year-old, they will surpass it, they will catch up with the century. If a reasonable person, as is commonly believed, then why can't they agree for such a long time and not only here.

[alexmach]

They cannot agree because there are insoluble contradictions between the parties. As well as conflicting interests of third parties. Well, the spilled blood by itself ...

[bukhach]

Well, reason is given in order to seek compromises, to make mutual concessions, to look for common ground, because this is so obvious, otherwise the blood and tears of mothers! After all, in other regions they somehow agree, a bad peace is better than war. Azerbaijanis did not find people capable of stopping the endless confrontation, which prevented them from finding a way out for decades? Maybe they simply do not want peace themselves, neither the one nor the other side, but this is suicidal for these small countries.

[lubesky]

Wanguyu that if the flame breaks out, the Turks will escalate on the border with Armenia, so that Russia will decide. There is only one definition - a break with Azerbaijan, which is what the West needs

[AllBiBek]

Why break with more than loyal and friendly Azerbaijan?
To support Armenia, which is dancing to the tune of the United States and building its own workshop for generating Russophobia on the Georgian model?

[lubesky]

It's obvious, you express an opinion that everyone agrees with. But geostrategy is a special thing. In fact, we will fight if, then for the Armenians, you will see

[AllBiBek]

And what is there to watch?
The strongest boy in the sandbox ends up slapping all the parties to the conflict, not knowing who started, and at the same time, Georgia will fall, she has already stated that she fits in with Armenia.
At the same time, the Turks will once again get a sore click on the nose.
For there is no need to throw any slag from Syria to war. Uh-huh, from a semi-desert to full-fledged mountains, where the Russian troops have an advantage in everything, especially in the experience of conducting counter-terrorist operations against such small groups with radical Islam of the brain.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: AllBiBek

Ruzia will pass, she has already stated that she fits in for Armenia.

well, they didn’t set pi .... t ??????? The Georgian economy will be covered with a copper basin if it tramples against Azerbaijan. Stop lying!!!! Only Armenians from Javakheti will intervene from Georgia

[Naughty]

Quote: ssergey1978

what for? Let them figure it out. The citizens of Armenia will probably go from Russia to defend their homeland. And Russia will sell weapons to Azerbaijan or Armenia if they pay.

I agree with you 100% Let them fight for health as they say Enough to reconcile everyone and worry about them. Well, the fact that this mess is near our borders So I think the RF Armed Forces have long known how to stop it very quickly If Th))))

[silverwolf88]

citizens of Armenia will not go anywhere ... and even more so from Russia, France or the United States ... to fight for their type of homeland ... but it's time to stop accepting refugees ... we don't need them ... they don't want to make their country happy well and okay ... BUT we don't need them ...

[Yujanin]

It's too late to drink Borjomi, Pashik!

[Maz]

Civilians of Karabakh injured as a result of shelling by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces.
[/ Center]

A CNN Turkish service journalist writes that Turkish drones are bombing Armenia. The enemy of Azerbaijan is the enemy of Turkey ...

[tekinoral]

Quote: Maz

A CNN Turkish service journalist writes that Turkish drones are bombing Armenia. The enemy of Azeibarjan is the enemy of Turkey.

Right and do it!

[Naughty]

Quote: KAVBER

Let both sides first shove each other well, then it will be easier for the forester to drive everyone into the stall

all right, let them shove a little more. And most importantly, they have no reasons to fight, neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis. It was necessary to reconcile with Karabakh for a long time So no, they decided to shed blood for the ideals of the West and the Turkish Kaganate Well, let them spill this business

[Safevi2020]

Quote: Vzdrincher

And the main reason for them to fight is neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis.

No reason? That is, 20% of native land is not the reason? Or have you turned on the Armenian radio again?

[Naughty]

At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, Karabakh became part of the Russian Empire
We will not discuss why, during the formation of the USSR, Karabakh was included in Azerbaijan - the motives were purely political, but it was this decision that led to the current conflict, because as a result, the share of the Armenian population began to decline and fell to 75%. And when the USSR itself began to disintegrate, the Armenians of Karabakh did not want to become part of independent Azerbaijan, considering it a threat to their existence.
So what can Azerbaijan do there?

[Naughty]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Well, well, that some "warriors" that others. They are pushing forward to the Moscow markets to sell persimmons and tomatoes. Here are the radishes!

Don't let them go back to Moscow, let them sit in the trenches. By the way, is it still quiet in Moscow? who knows? Do they not mutuz each other on the gateways? Or the last time they said a magic word Now it’s scary, apparently

[Witness]

The fighting is being conducted NOT on the territory of Armenia, but on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, which was occupied by Armenia. Azerbaijan has no goals in the territory of Armenia. Azerbaijan liberates its lands from separatists. The territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, even according to the official version of the Russian Federation, belongs to Azerbaijan. The same Armenia, has not yet recognized the independence of this territory.

[d4rkmesa]

Will you write down the entire population as separatists, Azerbot (I'm not talking about Azerbaijanis, but about paid or free bots that promote here the only correct Erdogan-Aliyev view of the problem)?

[Witness]

My name is Evgeny Gennadievich Frolov, and you, apparently, are hamlo ... My position is based on the real situation in the territory of Azerbaijan. I am Russian, whom Russia refused to accept in its time in its citizenship. I was born in the USSR, in Baku, and by the will of circumstances I continue to live here. Nobody has ever reproached me with my nation here, in Baku, but on the territory of the Russian Federation, unfortunately, I am a stranger ... So tell me, "free bot", who has the power? Is it not from the one who has the truth?

[d4rkmesa]

Hehe, you really have a distorted perception, apparently, from a long stay in Baku. Resentment in every word. It is good to be a tourist in Baku, but God forbid to raise this topic or ask about Armenians ... Nothing new. Well tell me, truth-teller, what will yours do with the Armenians after they are captured? Ethnic cleansing again? And why are you spamming here, will the owners give out free dolma?

[Witness]

//// Tell me, truth-bearer, what will yours do with the Armenians after they are captured? ////
What did you do before 1988? Do you know that several thousand Armenians still live in Baku? How many Azerbaijanis are there in Yerevan? Or was it the Azerbaijanis who staged a massacre in Khojaly? Believe me, Azerbaijanis are peaceful people and are ready to make compromises and concessions within reasonable limits. And about the insult ... so people are we, how to forget what my eyes saw. I served in the Azerbaijan Army, I am a witness to the atrocities of the enemy side!

[d4rkmesa]

If I were you, I would pray for your mini-Fuhrer. Because if he loses, it will not be good for you, a witness of the atrocities. I am not inclined to idealize either side, but everything is very clear here: whoever has armored vehicles in the trenches defends itself, whoever is on the march is advancing. So, whether it remains to be seen.

[Witness]

Why don't you understand that the Azerbaijani side is not going to take away a centimeter of their lands from Armenia! We don't need someone else's, but we won't give up ours either. Armenia seized 20% of the land from Azerbaijan, and this was recognized by the entire world community, including Russia. How would you react if a fifth of your living space was taken away from you, and you claim that this is their legal part?

[d4rkmesa]

Well, if a piece of land is so necessary, then you will get the right to be killed in addition.

[RVAPatriot]

And the officer's daughter, apparently ...

[silverwolf88]

Armenians first rocked the situation with the change of power ... then new politicians shook the already problematic world with their o / militant statements ... but now it’s a legal continuation ... well, let them clean up ... the main thing is NOT to ACCEPT refugees from free Armenia ... they want to be militant ... so let them answer for their bazaar ... and it's time to turn off the Russian presence in Armenia ... they are not yet free brothers all over their heads (from conscience and from reason in the first place) ...
shit ... and then Russia fit in ...

[samarin1969]

It seems that Azerbaijan "started first". Painfully quickly, his equipment flies and rolls. Without a few days of preparation, this is unlikely.
The Armenians, of course, are members of the Union-2 and the CSTO. But they did not support the Russian Federation in Georgia, Crimea and Syria. Did you hope for the connections of the powerful diaspora? ... Let them fight themselves!

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: samarin1969

It seems that Azerbaijan "started first".

Undoubtedly. Armenia uses defensive weapons, Azerbaijan is offensive. Azerbaijan has won several villages.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Armenia uses defensive weapons, Azerbaijan is offensive.

give examples of such weapons .... offensive and defensive ..... nonsense! delirium noob, any weapon is offensive

[cniza]

Quote: samarin1969

Without a few days of preparation, this is unlikely.

A few days is not possible, it takes months, someone slept ...

[Ugrumiy]

Interesting cinema, Armenia is a member of the CSTO. Shall we raise troops?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Ugrumiy

Interesting cinema, Armenia is a member of the CSTO.

Armenia, yes. Karabakh is not.

[Nychego]

Turkey South Stream (albeit half empty) controls. Where will the oligarchy get the political will to hit themselves in the wallet?

[Cat]

Shall we raise troops?

We'll keep thinking I can imagine what kind of running around now in the General Staff

[72jora72]

Shall we raise troops?

I will give you parabellum. (C)

[Megatron]

Climb .... on the machine guns from the couch!

[Ugrumiy]

You yourself are probably already in the trenches at the front? In general, a question was asked to the participants in the discussion about what Russia would do in this situation as one of the CSTO members, but you started to get upset with something, comments were not essentially scribbled.

[Megatron]

Russia is us, why should our guys die for stones that the nosed ones consider theirs?

[BISMARCK94]

Let them decide once and for all. As they say - they will start earlier, finish earlier. The denouement should have come long ago.

[Nychego]

I'd like to look at the work of the S-300 in a modern real combat situation, when the enemy will provide complex counteraction to this work.

[Maz]

Quote: Isim Soyad

just announced another 1 liberated village

Artsakh Defense Ministry denies Azerbaijan's statement that the Azerbaijani army occupied 6 settlements

[AshPoseidon]

Here Turkey is already throwing firewood. She accused Armenia of aggression against Azerbaijan. It's not good.

[d4rkmesa]

Something is somehow sluggish. If there are tanks on rollers along the entire front, where are the proofs with dozens of wrecked tanks? Or, as in South Ossetia, local "opolchentsy" only receive much allowance, and will the regular army fight for them?

[gorenina91]

-Yes, who's in the way ... -Let all these "gagiks", "gariks", "khachiks", "armeny", "tigranes", "akobs", "ashots", "gurgeny", etc., etc. - Let them come from Russia and defend their Armenia ... - Of these Russian "gurgen", perhaps a whole Armenian army can be assembled ... - Let this army stand up for the defense of Armenia ...
-What is it ... in Russia to show off as heroes ... - Here you have "heroic Armenians" ... -there is a real field of activity where you can show all your "courage", show your "masculinity", "selflessness and" fearlessness "... -nobody keeps you in this and does not restrict you ... - So go ahead !!!
-And to wave your hands in the markets of Russia, and show your "heroism" on Russian TV programs ... - to show all this hot and fake heroism ... -it's all at the level of a cheap booth ...
- "I don't believe" ... - Stanislavsky would say ... - Yes, and who would believe it ... - sheer bullshit ...

[yfast]

The ideal tank looks like a tank + a cart with shells behind it + a cart with fuel.

[jeka424]

A cannon on wheels then, once separately

[yfast]

I meant something like MTLB, in the first cart everything is burning with a gun, in the second - the crew. Although, probably better is a crew 100m underground in a bunker. Why lose trained fighters?

[Maz]

Quote: Deniska999

With the hands of some askers, press others. The very thing.

CNN Turkish service journalist writes that Turkish drones are bombing Armenia
Turkish social networks continue to send "greetings" to Armenia. The level of support for Azerbaijan is simply off scale. Pashinyan has nothing to answer. resembles Georgia's attack on ossetia

[Brturin]

[quote = MazPashinyan has nothing to answer. resembles Georgia's attack on Ossetia [/ quote]
If they get it hard, then. can ...
The Tovuz region of Azerbaijan is strategically important from the point of view of the implementation of large regional projects with the participation of Azerbaijan and Turkey. In case of seizing strategic heights in this part of the state border, Armenia could threaten vital energy and transport lines for Azerbaijan, such as the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline, as well as gas pipelines in the direction of Turkey and Europe. The only highway connecting Azerbaijan with Turkey through Georgia, again runs through this region, the Anatolian agency notes. https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/07/17/anadolu-armyanskaya-armiya-cherez-tovuz-ugrozhaet-proektam-ankary-i-baku
but a bad world is always better than a quarrel ...

[Voltsky]

Pashinyan is more an enemy than an ally;

[Orange bigg]

Pashinyan is associated with Soros; Pashinyan is an enemy of Armenia; an exiled Cossack. He can surrender Karabakh too.

[Felix m]

The base in Gyumri is sandwiched in the mountains between Turkey and Armenia. How to supply it if the war flares up and will last for a long time, how to help Armenia as an ally in the ODBK. Through the Caspian and Iran. Iran to agree to this?

[Orange bigg]

Through Azerbaijan. Russia borders on Azerbaijan. So don't complicate.

[Maz]

Quote: Alexander1971

It is necessary to support it because while there is a state of unstable equilibrium, both Armenians and Azerbaijanis go to Russia, willy-nilly, without pleasure.

And as soon as the winner is revealed, then Russia will not need nafig there. And Russian troops will be driven out of Armenia. And a US base will appear in Azerbaijan, for example, some kind of radar.

Erdogan accused OSCE Minsk Group of lack of desire to resolve conflict in Karabakh

[Maz]

Quote: Dimon71

Well, of course, you are not hot, you are not cold because you live in Russia. And I am an ethnic Russian and I live in Yerevan without even having Russian citizenship. since according to the olehchon scheme, only Khokhlam is given. And by the way, I served in the PF RF VCh 2016. So it's still not clear whose WAR !!!!!

The Armenian Embassy against the background of aggravation in Karabakh calls on compatriots in the Russian Federation not to succumb to provocations

[Vlad_S]

It's good that the commentators have absolutely nothing to do with making decisions. It is necessary to support Armenia, if not even as an ally, if not as brothers in faith, then at least as a counterbalance to Erdogan's pan-Turkism, which is a threat to Russia and increases Turkey's influence in the region. In this conflict, the enemy is in Istanbul and we need to support Yerevan

[Orange bigg]

It's good that the commentators have absolutely nothing to do with making decisions.

There are no borders on the Internet, the Internet is international, and everyone drowns for the interests of their country.
I agree with you regarding your theses of support for Armenia. But the threat of Erdogan's pocket pan-Turkism for Russia is small. These fables are for internal Turkish use. Erdogan tells the public what it wants to hear, and then skillfully manipulates these sentiments.

[Felix m]

According to my sofa logic, Russia needs to help the Armenians. The answer must be fast and strong, otherwise, if the batch is for a long time, you can lose the base in Gyumri.

[Megatron]

Get up off the couch and go help then.

[donavi49]

In the meantime, the traditionally old air defense against new weapons is being demolished like a dash. Minus 3 Wasps in the video out of 12 announced.

[Orange bigg]

Yeah and minus 12 brand new drones, each half the price of a fighter. Amazing "efficiency" of Turkish junk. But what can the family business of Erdogan's son-in-law do to promote. Everything in the family as they say. It's not a sin to lie.

[donavi49]

Well, while there is a video of 3 Os. A UAV in words. As well as the 100500 destroyed units of various wunderwaves on both sides of the tweet. I'm focusing on proofs

From the air AzerMi-8 is not clear from what (I would not be surprised if MANPADS).
There are quite a few broken Azertanks and tractors on the ground.
The first confirmation of "peremog" from Azerbaijan is the Wasps.

[VyacheSeymour]

Not even 15, but 115 DRONS in comparison with three crews - for the rich - profit.

[Nastia makarova]

will buy the newest in Russia

[Nychego]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

will buy the newest in Russia

Will they buy specialists too? They do not have time to prepare for this company, even with a 24-hour training day.

[Nastia makarova]

learn in battle

[Nychego]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

learn in battle

Sorry, lady, but this is a GUARANTEED loss of equipment, HP, and also a drain of combat.
So, as you suggest, the reasoning tricks in the command on the territory of the former USSR ended in the summer of 1941.

[Orange bigg]

Barbamia kergudo.

[viktor.]

Quote: Bearded

threatening Armenia and Azerbaijan to send their citizens and businesses home.

Cool Hey Armenians and Azerbaijanis will fight, we will drive you out and bankrupt!

[rocket757]

All small, freedom-loving, will have to carry their own cross ...

[cniza]

No one needs war, and third forces incite it to weaken, first of all, us. Greetings!

[rocket757]

Welcome

Quote: cniza

No one needs war and third forces incite it

Though the third, but even the fifth !!! Someone from the leadership is NECESSARY!
The situation is so standard that ....... she is like a mother to someone.

[cniza]

It is clear that for someone this is a business, but in this case we are simply surrounded by conflicts from all sides.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

we are simply surrounded by conflicts from all sides.

You can only impose on someone who allows himself to be imposed.
Such a strong, huge, vigorous country is possible ..... YES IT IS NOT POSSIBLE, IF SHE WILL NOT ALLOW IT !!!
This is how all sorts of experts argue whether we can PROTECT or not ???
I get jarred from such a go \ E \ tism. We also need to PROTECT ??? To whom we owe, for what we owe ... and nothing, that we can punish anyone specifically and finally!

[cniza]

Here I am of the same opinion - we do not owe anything to anyone, but we must do what is beneficial to us ...

[rocket757]

That's it, that's it. We do not have to beg someone there, calm down, support and intercede !!! If this is not our specific and final ALLY, in EVERYTHING!
And they also took fashion, how difficult it is for us, we have trouble they turn up their noses! And how they got sick, it turns out we owe them .... WHY ???

[cniza]

This is how a person is arranged, he wants everyone to help him, but when it touches him that he must help another, very often he does not understand this, and so does the state ...

[Sancho_SP]

Well, what are you here immediately our / not ours. We have enough volunteers for any dubious movement. Well, weapons ... yes, you can give them from storage and give them free (it will rot there anyway) in exchange for political concessions.

[vindigo]

Finally burst through this abscess. Well, we'll watch the war on TV. For the screamers that "Russia should help Azerbaijanis or khachas" - let them bring them down there and protect them. I hope our traders will not be stupid and will sell any obsolete junk to the conflicting people. In no case should you accept refugees!

[Dave36]

Russia is extremely unreasonable in acting the Foreign Ministry, not one problem on the territory of the post space has not been properly resolved. Constantly turning the fifth point .. hence the problem. We climb depending on the Turks with flows, to Belarus with transit, etc. We cannot resolve from a position of strength ...

[d4rkmesa]

Nothing, now the cocaine man Lavrov and Masha will leave and get down to business. ) But seriously, Lavrov is a smart guy. And rough politics is not the school.

[alexmach]

Tell us, how would you wisely deal with this case? How would you manage this conflict is very interesting.
And about the flows with transit too. The flow through Turkey is not needed ... - well, I see. Do you need to sell gas at all?

[Million]

Judging by the number of cars with Armenian numbers in our city, the Armenians do not really want to fight and dump them in Russia

[cniza]

Nobody wants to fight, and there are a lot of numbers also due to the avoidance of fines, a whole business works there.

[martis]

These are more likely just Armenian numbers, because it is cheaper to buy Evrases there, and not Armenians)))

[Million]

not only numbers, but also a characteristic appearance

[cniza]

An official statement was made by Ibrahim Kalyn, the official representative of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. He strongly condemned Armenia and announced his support for Azerbaijan.

All the same, Erdogan intervened ...

[Safevi2020]

Quote: cniza

All the same, Erdogan intervened ...

Take it easy. While in words)))))) If someone 3 intervenes, then Turkey will fit.

[cniza]

I'm calm, but someone really wants to overlay us with conflicts ...

[Stavros]

Quote: gorenina91

Yes, who's in the way ... - let all these "gagiks", "gariks", "khachiks", "armeny", "tigrans", "akobs", "ashots", "gurgeny" and so on and so on ... - let them come from Russia and defend their Armenia

And what about the Mamed, Mehmed, Yashars, Yakubs, etc., they don't have to go to liberate the Karabakhs? Have you decided to leave them in Russia?

[Felix m]

The video on the destruction of the Osa air defense system shows that the positions have been equipped for a long time, roads, earth dumps. They have been there for a long time. At the outbreak of hostilities of such intensity, it is really impossible to change positions. I myself served in the air defense, but in connection with the regiment's command post.

[vex]

Quote: 1976AG

If they want to fight, let them fight.

Logic is broken. It seems clear that Azerbaijan attacked, and you conclude that both sides do not want to live peacefully. The Armenians did not attack, so they want to live peacefully.
Here it is necessary to speak not about peacekeeping, but about bringing to life the aggressor, i.e. Republic of Azerbaijan.
And, by the way, those who talk about equidistance from both sides of the conflict should read about the plans of the pan-Turkists on the lands of Russia. They have prospects in the future to tackle the dismemberment of Russia with the help of fellow pan-Turkists in the Volga region, the North Caucasus and in other regions of the country. This also plays into the hands of Russia's western "partners", so they will help these plans. Armenia has neither the capacity nor the desire to harm Russia. If only because it is the only guarantor of Armenia's existence.

[immobile2008]

Quote: Feliks m

The video on the destruction of the Osa air defense system shows that the positions have been equipped for a long time, roads, earth dumps. They have been there for a long time. At the outbreak of hostilities of such intensity, it is really impossible to change positions. I myself served in the air defense, but in connection with the regiment's command post.

The videos show the technical superiority of the aizers.

[immobile2008]

Quote: Nychego

Sorry, lady, but this is a GUARANTEED loss of equipment, HP, and also a drain of combat.
So, as you suggest, the reasoning tricks in the command on the territory of the former USSR ended in the summer of 1941.

Reasonable reasoning is rare in VO. Just highlight it again!

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Quote: Bearded

Only Russia calls on the conflicting parties to peace.

Why are you dissembling?
1. Russia supplies weapons. Not the first day.
2. A large-scale war is not beneficial to Russia from the geolopolitical point of view. and not because Russia feels sorry for these peoples)

Quote: Bearded

threatening Armenia and Azerbaijan to send their citizens and businesses home.

Azerbaijan is not Armenia or Georgia to threaten)))) these times are over) Azerbaijan will build a trans-Caspian pipeline and then empty counters of '88 and much more await you ... ... ... Until now, you have not distinguished friends from enemies. I honestly feel sorry for you .... Over the years, Azerbaijan has never shown disrespect to you, what can you not say about Armenia and you threaten us?)

not against Azerbaijan or Armenia BUT ... you are a little cunning .. GUAM was not like a friendly union for the Russian Federation ?!
Although it must be admitted, the foreign policy of Azerbaijan towards the Russian Federation is a sane, predictable policy of national interests of Azerbaijan, and not of a foreign uncle

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Keyser Soze

TI si gleday work mommy!

Hello Turska awe ... Next time we will definitely water our horses in Constantinople, you will see ...

I'm not for the Turks, in any case)))) But here's your promise to give YOUR horses to drink in Constantinople)))))) touches ..... a nation of rebellious warriors))))) well, don't tell her

[Ela myaushkina]

Everything that happens in Karabakh and with Karabakh gave birth to the USSR, like Karabakh itself. But Karabakh itself is not the main problem, the problem is deeper, it is ethnic, national, cultural.

If at this stage Russia intervenes to slow down the advance of Azerbaijan. It will be a scandal and a new round of conflict. Azerbaijan will no longer be a friend of Russia in quotes. And the level of ties and relationships between countries will drop to zero.

Azerbaijan will stop when they knock out all the armed forces of Armenia from Karabakh. The conflict, in fact, cannot be resolved peacefully. Only a forceful solution will decide. And the superiority is definitely with Azerbaijan. As well as the chances of winning to regain their lands if no one helps Armenia.

Azerbaijan, like the Turks, physically hates Armenians. And no matter how you try to treat them well, it will not help. In addition, Turks and Azerbaijanis do not like Armenians, who were born and raised, for example, in the same Georgia. What else to talk about? Wherever Armenians were born and lived, they are enemies for Azeris and Turks.

This is when Armenia will be gone. Then yes. The problem will disappear like that.

The same citizens of Georgia and Georgians who go to Turkey to earn money act there as second-class people. And for the same work that the Turks do, they get much less. And what to say about the Armenians? It is better not to say there that you are Armenian, even indirectly. They will squint their eyes with hatred and contempt.

Therefore, as long as there is Armenia and the Armenians, this issue will not be resolved. Only Russia will help them to survive as a species and ethnos, nationality, country, etc. Therefore, they are on the same wavelength in this matter and have similar goals and aspirations.

Azerbaijan is the same as the Turks. Both are very close, as one people. In analogy, both Russians and Belarusians. Therefore, everyone has their own truth, but the Turks and Azerbaijanis physically hate the Armenians. Like German Nazis Jews.

In summary and in essence, the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan is something more than Karabakh, it is a war on the physical level. And should Russia get into it? In any case, this does not bode well for the Russian Federation.

That's all there is to know.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Ela Myaushkina

And should Russia get into it? In any case, this does not bode well for the Russian Federation.

Well, if Armenia and Azerbaijan could decide with each other without third parties, it is possible. But Turkey behind Azerbaijan is a direct threat to Russia. So, everything is not so simple. Well, I will re-post the video why Turkey is a direct threat to the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation. All this IMHO, of course.

[Azis]

Of course, first and foremost, diplomatic work is needed, but with our "diplomacy" ... we only "express concern", we can, of course, write something on Facebook, with "emoticons" ... There is a CSTO, and if this is real organization (although, after Kyrgyzstan in 2010 - real activity is in question) - CRRF of ALL CSTO countries - Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Belarusians, the same, should, in theory, at least separate the parties ... There is an agreement - fulfill your obligations. And here Russia plays the role of Buridan's donkey - Russia really needs good relations with Azerbaijan, but also a certain outpost in Armenia is very important. At one time they missed Azerbaijan from the sphere of influence, gave it to the Turks, only the previously unsecured foreign economic ties remained, which we cannot really influence ... And the Armenians now play the role of an affectionate child - it is not known how many mothers, including Russia, have a tit (gentlemen hussars - keep quiet!) Then, if anything, how the Serbs will accuse Russia on the sidelines that it did not help, although they themselves have been forgiven.

[agoran]

Interesting topic.
I have not encountered either at work/service or in personal relationships with either one or another people, so that the attitude towards them is indifferent.
And so I wondered, how would the Anglo-Saxons behave in this situation?
Sell ​​weapons to conflicting parties not for pieces of paper, but for precious metals.
Send advisors to all sides of the conflict.
With the help of the special services, arrange provocations, again from all sides (such as genocide) and publish them widely in the media.
And when the states are left with embers, come, install controlled kings and pump out the remaining resources.
Maybe it's time for the Russian Federation to seek its benefits?

[Alkatrass A]

One thing is interesting to me: Turkey has declared its full support for Azerbaijan, but what are we going to do? Merge Armenia as well as Serbia, Iraq and all those countries that looked at us with hope?!... We will become a country like a banana republic...

[agoran]

There is such an anecdote: “And you, my friend, say...”.
So far there are no concrete actions on the part of Turkey, and there will not be any, I think so. The lira is falling, the holiday season is over, etc.
No one has attacked the territory of Armenia yet. So, it is not correct to talk about “draining”.

[zloba71]

In order to understand who started this conflict, you need to understand who benefits from it. This is not beneficial for Russia, because... this is a fire and instability on our borders, plus on top of everything there is possible friction with Turkey, which is ready for any conflict for its brotherly Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan doesn’t need this either, and its big brother Turkey will obviously be against it, because for them it is the same as for us, a fire at the borders and possible contradictions with Russia. For the Turks, good Russian-Turkish relations are now very important.
But for the United States, this conflict is very opportune, because... For them, Russia and Erdogan are enemies, and Iran is also nearby. And besides, if they manage to spark a big war, then militants can be trained there, as they did with the former soldiers of Saddam-Hussein’s army, who are now fighting in Syria against Assad.
The United States has influence in this region only on the Pashinyan government, so that’s where the legs grow there.

[solzh]

If Armenia loses to Azerbaijan in the conflict that has begun, in my opinion this will have a bad effect on Russia. Türkiye will strengthen its influence in the Caucasus, and where the Turks are, there is NATO. Azerbaijan will be the Turkish “platform” for penetration into Central Asia. The emergence of new separatist movements is possible and, as a result, the emergence of new hot spots in the North Caucasus (Turkey will not miss the opportunity to spark a new conflict on Russian territory). As a result, Russia may lose the Caspian Sea.
My conclusion is this: If we cannot achieve a peaceful resolution to the conflict, then we need to support Armenia. Otherwise, things will be bad for Russia in the near future.

[Magadan]

I wish victory to the Armenian people.
If anyone has forgotten and has completely broken away from their roots: Armenians have always been our allies. The Azers have always been for the Turks. With whom we have always been at war. But, as I understand it, many people don’t care about the history of Russia. Too many have become “general people” and care more about “poor stray dogs” than about people.

And cynicism generally goes off scale when they write this:

Quote: ssergey1978

what for? Let them figure it out. The citizens of Armenia will probably go from Russia to defend their homeland. And Russia will sell weapons to Azerbaijan or Armenia if they pay.

[ssergey1978]

How caring are you, are you ready to sacrifice Russians for the sake of Armenia? Do your relatives live there? Go volunteer, who's stopping you? And I’m neither cold nor hot from their squabble. And I am against interfering in their conflict. What Russia can really do for these countries is to help Armenia with Armenians, and Azerbaijan, respectively, with Azerbaijanis.

[ermak124.0]

VO is a censored anti-Russian platform. It turns out that it is so.

[certero]

Quote: ANIMAL

It’s not Russian to sell weapons to two conflicting neighbors! this is in the style of the Nanglo-Saxons. Not everything is measured by money

And this is something Russia should learn from. So far, not a single nation has appreciated Russia’s help. Well, except for Mongolia.

[vindigo]

North Koreans remember. A loyal ally.

[aiden]

The Mongols, after Rus' threw off the yoke, calmed down and became almost the most loyal ally. For many centuries there has been nothing bad from them. And no matter what the former republics of the USSR say, Mongolia is a more honest and devoted ally and friend

[Ugrumiy]

Quote: 72jora72

Shall we raise troops?

I will give you parabellum. (C)

No need, I already have my time card))

[Ugrumiy]

Quote: Tank Hard

Quote: Ugrumiy

Interesting cinema, Armenia is a member of the CSTO.

Armenia, yes. Karabakh is not.

So yes, but I wonder if Armenia fits in completely, how will our leadership act like in 08.08 or will they just be concerned again? Or maybe it will be possible to crush all this with diplomacy?

[Gunter prereen]

Pashinyan decided to start a war. Apparently an order came from America. Well, Russia needs to give the guys the opportunity to fight. But not in the markets and streets of Russia. And those indoor roosters who do not understand this should be sent to the homeland of their ancestors once or twice, with the entire brood. And deprive of Russian citizenship. This is the kind of help from Russia. Let's help Armenia - Armenians! To Azerbaijan-Azerbaijanis!

[Edvagan]

Millions of Armenians live in Russia (I remember my trip to Adler). They are citizens of Russia just like Russians. If anything, form a contingent of them and go ahead to help.

[Shuttle]

Isn’t that why Sargsyan was brought down?

[aiden]

What should Russia do? Introduce peacekeepers through the UN. This is the best thing you can do. And warn that if one of the peacekeepers gets hurt, he will use military force