We failed ourselves: Turkey asks to supply South Korean engines for the Altai tank

The Turkish leadership, unable to cope independently with the tasks facing the defense industry, again turns to South Korea for help, which is necessary to implement the program of creating its own main combat tanks.

According to the latest reports on the government information portal, Ankara has made an official inquiry about the possibility of exporting a Korean power plant. It will make it possible to get off the ground in the creation of the local MBT "Altai".

The Altay main battle tank, developed by the Koreans, was in limbo for a long time, since the German embargo on supplies was imposed on Turkey. weaponswhich prevented the sales of the power plant [German company] MTU (engine + transmission)

- marks the ROKArmedForces resource.

After the introduction of this ban, Turkey tried to create its own engine, but this attempt has not yet been crowned with success.

As the designated portal explains, South Korea boasts a much more powerful heavy industry in comparison with Turkey, but it also experienced difficulties in developing its own power units. The first 100 K2 Black Panther tanks were equipped with German power plants.

This was followed by a delay of several years with the release of the second batch (106 vehicles), which was caused by problems with the development of its own analogue. It was solved in 2019, when the domestic 1500 hp engine. from. successfully passed field tests, which allowed production to resume. At the same time, the transmission remained German.

South Korea plans to develop a completely original powertrain for the third production batch of K2 Black Panther tanks.

Comments

[Ovsigovets]

it would seem .... but look how ..... an engine for a tank is not an engine for a Zhiguli

[Grandfather]

the transmission is German, the engine is Korean, the barrel is probably also "Reinmetall" ... the tank is Turkish at the exit ... it's like "Russian" "Kia Rio" or "Solaris" ..

[Polymer]

There is also a "domestic engine", apparently, the same "Turkish". How else to explain that they started to produce it, and now they are again looking for an imported version?

[Dodikson]

initially there was a German engine, then there was a ban on the supply of military equipment to the Turks and they tried to do it themselves. but the engine is not baklava and they could not make it clear. therefore they are trying to buy its analogue from the Koreans, who, unlike the Turks, can produce something more complicated than shawarma.

[Mavrikiy]

South Korea plans to develop a completely original powertrain for the third production batch of K2 Black Panther tanks.

But the price of this engine will be equal to the Turkish MBT "Altai".

[Dodikson]

and it was originally Turkish only in name, because Altai is a simplified and cheaper Korean K2 black panther.
but the Turks did not even cope with the production under license

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ovsigovets

it would seem .... but look how ..... an engine for a tank is not an engine for a Zhiguli

And what, the Turks for the Zhiguli themselves will be able to develop the engine? Is not a fact.

[hrych]

Quote: Ovsigovets

it would seem .... but look how ..... an engine for a tank is not an engine for a Zhiguli

[unhappy]

It turns out that "analog" is a copy of a German engine, but what is "original"?
Searches and experiences in the creation of diesels in the past, we can say "the right diesel" is a German diesel! For example, no one in the world wants to repeat "Ukrainian diesel"

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Tank "Altai" is named not in honor of the ancestral home of all Turks, but in honor of General Fakhrettin Altai, during the war for independence and the genocide of Armenians and Greeks

[Private-K]

Turks from the baseboard level of the 1980s have managed to jump forward and upward in the last 30 years.
And this always causes dizziness from success and dashing show-off.
But, I must say, the Turks changed their minds and did not hammer the wall with their horns and quickly figured out to cooperate with the neutral South Koreans.

[Incvizitor]

They are de American slaves, they can be told and refused

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Private-K

The Turks changed their minds and did not hammer the wall with their horns and quickly decided to cooperate with the neutral South Koreans.

And with whom should the Turks cooperate in transmission? And not with anyone. Empty chores.

[Astra wild]

Quote: Dead Day

the transmission is German, the engine is Korean, the barrel is probably also "Reinmetall" ... the tank is Turkish at the exit ... it's like "Russian" "Kia Rio" or "Solaris" ..

It reminded me from the history textbook
Uniform english
Russian shoulder strap
Japanese tobacco

[Zaurbek]

In addition to the tank, MTO is also needed for the 155mm self-propelled gun, which the Turks also produce. And which is being sold in large volumes. The Turks also have a license for SPGs.

[voyaka uh]

The result is important. And where are the nodes and components -
a secondary matter. An important project should not be slowed down,
due to the fact that the industry was unable to develop something.

[dima314]

Well, if this is Israel with Merkava, then for sure, the result is important. But with the Turks it is different: if everything is from the Amers or from the Europeans, then what was the idea? All the same, you are not your own and completely depend on the gentlemen, then it is easier to buy worn leopards, and to throw forces on the production of supposedly successful drones.

[TermNachTer]

The Turks are a great deal to tell fairy tales, only the level of industrial development is still at the level of making beach furniture)))

[voyaka uh]

The industry level in Turkey is surprisingly high.
And in materials, and in electronics, and in mechanical engineering.
And the most important thing! - in the civil industry, and in the military-industrial complex too.
They have made a qualitative technological breakthrough in 20 years.
They produce machines, electronic boards, and devices.

[TermNachTer]

Engines for tanks are bought in Korea, engines for UAVs were bought in Canada, and now they are bought in Ukraine. SAM in Russia. Let's continue about the surprisingly high level of science and industry, or is that enough?))))

[Private-K]

Quote: TermNachTER

Engines for tanks are bought in Korea, engines for UAVs were bought in Canada, and now they are bought in Ukraine. SAM in Russia.

This suggests that they have not yet been able to master EVERYTHING and in a sufficiently high quality acceptable to them. Can the Turks produce the same tank engine? Most likely they can. But it will not be of high enough quality and will not meet the high standards that are de facto European in Turkey. At the same time, I'm sure they obviously want to have such a device that is cheaper than that of the Germans, so that it could be repaired in the troops ... But try to find this.

[TermNachTer]

I argued here with one specialist, he proved to me that "bayraktar" is completely Turkish. They argued, and after a couple of weeks I read that the Turks assemble the engine for the "bayraktar" under license, but they buy one casting from the manufacturer, because they can't. So, the question is not even quality, but that they cannot at all. Casting metals is very simple only at first glance; in fact, there are subtleties and tricks.

[Pavel57]

Altai, this is not Arjun for you.

[rotfuks]

Motor building is a whole industry and production culture. This is what distinguishes an industrial country from an agrarian one, in that, for example, agrarian Poland has never had its own engines and never will. And in the post-Soviet space, their own and original motors were built only in the Czech Republic. Even the non-brothers put Russian motors on their own equipment. The State of Israel uses German engines from MTU on its Merkavas and armored boats. True, out of patriotic motives, calling German motors American. Or maybe in Israel such a kickback scheme or money laundering. But for the fourth merkava, the German MTU883 motor is taken and with a slight movement of the hand it turns into the American General Dynamics GD883.

[voyaka uh]

And Poland, Turkey and Israel are developed industrial countries.
ICE production is not the only direction in technologies,
which determines the development of the country.

[TermNachTer]

And what determines? Assembling microwaves and refrigerators from Chinese components?

[hwostatij]

Can you name at least one Polish high-tech brand?

[impostor]

Do you remember the legendary opus from Biletsky?

[impostor]

There is a rumor: allegedly Biletsky, Avakov and a certain Turkish citizen went to the bathhouse ... Avakov talked about the police, the Turkish citizen about the wonderful Altai tanks, but Biletsky turned out to be the most screwed up. And this, you see, in the ukroban is the cruellest zugzwang. In short, they say, upon leaving the proctologist, the next morning the valiant National Battalion announced: "Say, the Altai armored militia is to blame for all the failures at the front!"

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Dead Day

the transmission is German, the engine is Korean, the barrel is probably also "Reinmetall" ... the tank is Turkish at the exit ... it's like "Russian" "Kia Rio" or "Solaris" ..

Well, if the Turks, according to the results, begin to make all the functionality listed on the spot from their materials and have technical documentation - yes ... it will become a Turkish tank

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Pavel57

Altai, this is not Arjun for you.

Arjun is already driving)))))

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Hwostatij

Can you name at least one Polish high-tech brand?

yachts)))) Poles make good sailing yachts up to 10 meters)))) plastic then learned to mold

[Rzzz]

Quote: Ovsigovets

yachts)))) Poles make good sailing yachts up to 10 meters))))

And not only sailing, and not only up to 10 meters. Galeon shipyard makes excellent motor yachts and they have models over 20 meters in size. I overtook this one last year - I liked it. Not Princess, of course, but given the much lower price - very cool.

Quote: Ovsigovets

plastic then learned to mold

Building a yacht and capturing a large market share is not only "plastic molding" you need to be able to.

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: voyaka uh

And Poland, Turkey and Israel are developed industrial countries.
ICE production is not the only direction in technologies,
which determines the development of the country.

I agree with you in the context of the internal combustion engine .... it reminds me of an eternal claim to the Russian prom))) but we do not make iPhones

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: rzzz

Quote: Ovsigovets

yachts)))) Poles make good sailing yachts up to 10 meters))))

And not only sailing, and not only up to 10 meters. Galeon shipyard makes excellent motor yachts and they have models over 20 meters in size. I overtook this one last year - I liked it. Not Princess, of course, but given the much lower price - very cool.

Quote: Ovsigovets

plastic then learned to mold

Building a yacht and capturing a large market share is not only "plastic molding" you need to be able to.

Well, I didn't know Google and threw it out))))