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MPK Kazanets, which received a hole, got up for repairs in Baltiysk

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MPK Kazanets, which received a hole, got up for repairs in Baltiysk

The small anti-submarine ship "Kazanets", which received a hole above the waterline after a collision on September 23 with a cargo ship in the Øresund Strait between Denmark and Sweden, will undergo initial repairs in Baltiysk.


"Kazanets", which suffered damage to the hull in a collision with a foreign ship, got up for repairs at the 33rd Shipyard JSC. Experts have already examined the damaged tank (bow of the ship), determined the tasks and the degree of repair of the IPC

- Interfax reported.

It was decided that part of the restoration work on the ship's hull will be carried out at the 33rd Shipyard, after which Kazanets will make the transition to Kronstadt, where the main repair of the ship will take place. At the same time, it is noted that it is too early to talk about the timing of the repair, during the work hidden damage and defects may be revealed, since the ship has been in operation since 1986.

The MPK was built in 1986 at a shipyard in the GDR and, despite the fact that the ship is in good condition, surprises may appear

- said in a statement.

After a survey on the territory of the GCC, the MPK left the water area of ​​the plant and landed at one of the berths of the Baltiysk naval base. After a while, he will return to the enterprise to start work. Establishing the causes of the collision between the MPK and the cargo ship will be undertaken by a special commission from the General Staff of the Navy, which has already arrived at the Baltic Fleet.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 26 September 2020 16: 59
    +5
    They haven't parted! Like ships in the sea ...
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 26 September 2020 17: 33
      -27 qualifying.
      Wow, what a thin tin in the photo. And even in one layer ...
      I did not expect that the thickness of the hull of a warship is comparable to a river fishing boat.
      Everything, damn it, to save ...
      sad
      1. Sharky
        Sharky 26 September 2020 18: 06
        16
        Everything, damn it, to save ...

        Here expediency plays the main role. The time of battleships has long since sunk into oblivion. But Oleg Kaptsov would not agree with me. smile
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 26 September 2020 18: 31
          +2
          Quote: Sharky
          But Oleg Kaptsov would not agree with me.

          It seems he's already departed from the "armored" illusions, no?
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 26 September 2020 20: 43
            +4
            I think the development is going "in a spiral".
            Small but numerous means of destruction will be very effective for such a thin sheet. Like the striking elements of a surface-to-air missile. A Buk-class anti-aircraft missile will turn the entire ship into a sieve.
            So they will return to the armor. At a new stage of technology, when there will be cheap light and durable armor. For example, a graphene composite.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 26 September 2020 20: 48
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              So they will return to the armor.

              I think you're right, though. most likely, it will be armor against fragments, small-caliber guns and missiles obsolete "slingshot caliber", and protection from something like the same "zircon" will still be active in the face of SAM.
            2. garri-lin
              garri-lin 27 September 2020 01: 45
              +2
              Don't confuse the Citadel with the outer hull lines. Even the strongest battleships had a tank and a boot made of rather thin metal.
              1. aglet
                aglet 27 September 2020 16: 37
                +1
                "Do not confuse the Citadel with external hull lines"
                citadel on this pelvis?
          2. Sharky
            Sharky 26 September 2020 23: 17
            +1
            It seems he's already departed from the "armored" illusions, no?

            Rather, he switched to aviation. drinks
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 26 September 2020 23: 25
              +1
              Quote: Sharky
              Rather, he switched to aviation.

              I hope he does not propose to build armored litaki, citing the success of the IL-2? belay
      2. bulbash70
        bulbash70 26 September 2020 19: 33
        +6
        ?? And the people on board, so little familiar with the math here and composition proportsiyu.i "sheet" will be the thickness of santimetr.kstati: 1135 aboard the project, were not penetrated by an AK-74.vozmozhno at the IPC board thinner, I do not know.
      3. Machete
        Machete 26 September 2020 20: 22
        +3
        And against a modern projectile or a cruise missile, which missile boat will stand? Or was the comment just to express an idea?
      4. Flinkfan
        Flinkfan 26 September 2020 22: 20
        +4
        On "Lobotryas" the upper part of the stem is sheet (buffer), the middle part is forged, the lower part is cast.
      5. aglet
        aglet 27 September 2020 16: 36
        0
        "Wow what a fine gesture on the photo. And even in one layer ..."
        and even rusty. did not sell paint?
    2. iouris
      iouris 26 September 2020 21: 58
      -6
      ... and two cigarette butts spread out like in a puddle.
  2. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 26 September 2020 17: 03
    25
    If this photo is real, then what kind of hole is this ?!
    It is rather dented / torn deck / side in the forepeak / collision bulkhead area.
    Nothing fatal. Such repairs are being carried out very soon. It will be better than a new one.
    1. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 26 September 2020 17: 06
      +5
      Yes, judging by the damage, a cargo ship got a hole))
      1. Laksamana besar
        Laksamana besar 26 September 2020 18: 17
        14
        And there is:

        ..........
        1. loki565
          loki565 26 September 2020 19: 09
          21
          I can imagine how they were stunned when they saw this)))
          1. Deck
            Deck 28 September 2020 06: 40
            0
            I can imagine how they were stunned when they saw this)))


            On Ice Rose, the crew are also our guys. They laughed at the military men and cut off a souvenir. Now it will hang in the CPU.

        2. Marconi41
          Marconi41 26 September 2020 22: 48
          +1
          Quote: Laksamana Besar
          And there is:

          ..........

          The merchant has a hole on the starboard side, so in theory (MPSS) he is guilty, and therefore repairs at his expense. True, the information is not enough.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 26 September 2020 17: 08
      +2
      Quote: Benzorez
      It is rather dented / torn the deck / board in the forepeak / collision bulkhead area.
      A slight fright if there was no movement of the remote control, which of course did not get into the frame. repeat
      although the ship is in good condition, surprises may arise
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 26 September 2020 18: 14
        15
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        A slight fright if there was no movement of the remote control, which of course did not get into the frame.

        Judging by the fact that chapal under its own power, 504 cars remained on the foundations. He stuck his face into the stern of the ref, but along a sliding trajectory, based on the photo, damage to the ref.
        Kazan has 10 kaput compartment, count no forepeak. But the fact that Ros-K is sickly, and not in a nasal bulb, as in 1155 Polynom, it is very lucky that it will not be changed.
        With the "sailors" will deal separately. But, it seems, has already sounded the team: "Stand by, removed from office!"
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 26 September 2020 22: 16
          +7
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          With the "sailors" will deal separately. But, it seems, has already sounded the team: "Stand by, removed from office

          Not without it...
          It will be a headache for the commander to convey to the "High Commission" that in conditions of limited visibility it is practically impossible to determine not only the EDC, but also to consider the angle of the enemy ship. At short distances and at intersecting courses, the bearing of the target changes constantly.
          There was one way out - to stop the car at a distance of no closer than 15 kbt, or follow small moves without getting closer to the reifer closer than 5 kbt.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Judging by the fact that chapal under its own power, 504 cars remained on the foundations. He stuck his face into the stern of the ref, but along a sliding trajectory, based on the photo, damage to the ref

          Judging by the photo, the MPKashka got off with a "slight fright".
          The replacement of the hull and deck iron in the forecastle area is to be done. Plus - forepeak and pipelines. It is absolutely not fatal, for a month and a half of work, if they do not pick their nose with a finger.
          The riffer was no longer lucky - to fix the damage, you will have to disassemble all the systems that were in the area of ​​the resulting hole. And - to change the iron.
          My opinion is that the IPC commander should be punished, but not removed from command. To unfasten the commander of the BC-1 with rods. But now - this is the case when these two "beaten" have the experience of ten "not beaten". We must also develop the area of ​​the proposed theater of operations ...
          hi
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 27 September 2020 07: 21
            +1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            My opinion is that the IPC commander should be punished, but not removed from command. To unfasten the commander of the BC-1 with rods. But now - this is the case when these two "beaten" have the experience of ten "not beaten". We must also develop the area of ​​the proposed theater of operations ...

            Under the USSR, they filmed for less. They were put on trial.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 27 September 2020 09: 12
              +1
              Quote: 30 vis
              Under the USSR they filmed for less. Put on trial

              In vain ...
              It's not like failing a mission.
              And there is hardly a line behind the fence.
    3. Observer2014
      Observer2014 26 September 2020 17: 19
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Benzorez
      If this photo is real, then what kind of a hole is this ?!
      It is rather dented / torn deck / side in the forepeak / collision bulkhead area.
      Nothing fatal. Such repairs are being carried out very soon. It will be better than a new one.
      I want to add "If the photo is real," This is what's inside the type of tree? Steering thin metal? mm10 from sily.Ya utverzhdayu.Ya not comment on the photo to state.Kto aware explain hi
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 26 September 2020 17: 31
        +7
        Tang damage is minimal. Three days of repair. One brigade of corpsmen. Half a day - cut out everything wrinkled, a day - set up a set, a day - mount a new skin. Half a day - suture detection, presentation, and painting.
        The price of the work is well, several hundred kilo rubles with metal.

        But this is if you repair the way commercial ships are repaired. No downtime, bribes and cuts. Warriors can easily be repaired for a year and spend a dozen miles.
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 26 September 2020 18: 05
          +7
          Well, you blinked it. About three days.
          Make a new piece of deck, make a set.
          Is everything available at the shipyard? ...
          And how many gentlemen designers will think?
          And, there is also docking with the board.
          Don't ... We never get that fast.
          Do the X-rays get through?
          And the blueprints? Why are they going to make all this? ..
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 26 September 2020 18: 13
            +9
            The deck is a steel sheet, a blank set is a flat bulb, a frame post and a beam - Tavr, or generally a welded shaped profile.
            All this should be lying around in the SRZ warehouse in the minimum stocks for prompt repairs.
            I gave half a day for fault detection. X-rays are not needed there, chalk-kerosene is enough.

            Well, okay, let it not be three days. Work week, Monday through Friday.
            1. Petrol cutter
              Petrol cutter 26 September 2020 18: 27
              +7
              You explain the repair in wartime conditions.
              In non-wartime conditions, you will coordinate each knits with the designer.
              For you can hardly take responsibility for the final result of the work. Help us all !!! If something goes wrong.
              1. Deck
                Deck 26 September 2020 19: 19
                -2
                You underestimate the 33 plant. In my experience, it will take a year and a half to repair it there. laughing
            2. unknown
              unknown 27 September 2020 07: 22
              +3
              "... For three days do - Make A week -.? And I will do in two weeks Well, sir, you're problem is posed, Assistant needed here.?."
        2. Berkut752
          Berkut752 26 September 2020 18: 34
          +7
          How smart you are, three days. Preparatory work will take 2-3 days. There, a gas-cutting machine only needs to work for 5 days. General renovation will take 3 - 4 weeks at least. I declare this as a specialist.
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 26 September 2020 19: 18
            +2
            Quote: Berkut752
            General repairs will take 3 - 4 weeks,

            Well, it's like trying. We recently did dock repairs on our old dry cargo ship. With docking, replacement of 30 tons of metal, shaft fault detection, surfacing of stock rods, painting.
            For 3 weeks, + plus a week for revisions and eliminating comments.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 26 September 2020 22: 28
              -1
              Quote: rzzz
              Well, it's like trying. We recently did dock repairs on our old dry cargo ship.

              Any dock repairs are preceded by a lengthy collection of information about the estimated volume of planned work.
              The superintendent collects information from the vessel, decides what to do and what not to do (budget!).
              Then there is a search for a shipyard, quotations are requested, the time of the ship's docking is specified.
              By the time the ship arrives for repairs on the territory of the shipyard, everything is already in the know - where to run, what to grab onto.
              From my own experience I have experienced what it is like to be repaired on Pregol in Kaliningrad, in Tallinn, in Gdynia on Nauta.
              The difference is significant. As well as the price tag ...
              1. Rzzz
                Rzzz 26 September 2020 23: 47
                0
                So Yes. But this is not a dock repair, and it is structurally quite simple.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 27 September 2020 00: 12
                  +1
                  How simple is it?
                  1. Make a defect identification - determine the scope of work, including the thickness of the metal required for replacement, its dimensions. It's only in a car service that you can measure body pieces by eye, and hold it with your hand, cook.
                  2. Cut the unnecessary with gas cutting. And do not damage the set of the body in terms of rigidity - otherwise the body will "lead", the geometry will be broken, and a "crooked tank" will turn out. Again, even at a car service, you can display "geometry" if you have a special pribluda.
                  3. Cut metal sheets of the required size on the shore. This is where the qualification testing of both gas cutters and welders begins. Since you will have to cut curly sheets for the body. The task is not easy.
                  4. Organization of work - from the removal of combustible materials from the area of ​​the proposed welding work, to the maintenance of a fire watch. Ships and steamers burn very well. And I don't think the IPC will be taken out of service for the period of repair. In general, the commander will have something to strain his subordinates ...
                  5. At the end of all repair work, check the tightness of the body, and the same ever-memorable forepeak, make sure that the pipelines that have been repaired are in good condition and operable for the absence of leaks, valve operation.
                  All of the above fits into several lines.
                  And life shows that the slightest disruption in the organizational process - from the crooked hands of a gas welder to the crooked eye of a defectant, or a state of alcoholic hangover, can drastically change the schedule of planned work.
                  And where is there without profanity ...
                  recourse
              2. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 27 September 2020 14: 55
                0
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Then there is a search for a shipyard, quotations are requested,

                In this case, this point has already been completed. yes
                After a survey on the territory of the GCC, the MPK left the water area of ​​the plant and landed at one of the berths of the Baltiysk naval base. After a while, he will return to the enterprise to start work.
          2. venik
            venik 26 September 2020 19: 28
            0
            Quote: Berkut752
            General renovation will take 3 - 4 weeks at least.

            =======
            Well, this is MORE REAL numbers! And then - 3 days!
          3. Kushka
            Kushka 26 September 2020 20: 22
            +2
            I don’t understand, you think that the side is still moored
            will be, and on the tank there are already a dozen men in grinders and gas
            sharp? And they have the materials - but they are lying on the wall.
            Each of them must have a drawing - PROJECT-
            and there it is indicated - the cutting line - here it is, then - where and what and
            than to cook - sizes up to a millimeter. And you are chalk, kerosene.
            Uncle will take the project of this building, take the act of defect
            tion, will draw all the repair parts in different projections,
            will write technologically ... and get working drawings
            and ....... an estimate. But what about without her? - the materials will not be given out.
            Then approvals, all signatures, seals ...
            In the meantime, they wrote to you - to the pier outside the plant.
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 27 September 2020 09: 52
              -1
              Quote: Kushka
              that the side still has mooring lines
              will be, and there are already a dozen men on the tank

              And so it happened. When should not chew snot, and earn money. Day of downtime, even the average vessel "river-sea" is about 5 thousand dollars of lost profits. Good motivation to get moving.
              Quote: Kushka
              And they have the materials - but they are lying on the wall.

              The materials here are not super space. A pair of sheets of different thicknesses and two or three types of profile. In small volumes, this can be in the warehouse of the shipyard, and the suppliers of the plant can deliver the required product within a few days. Even without prepayment, if contacts are established.
              Quote: Kushka
              PROJECT-
              and there it is indicated - the cutting line - here it is, then - where and what and
              than to cook - sizes up to a millimeter.

              There is a project, what's the problem? There you can take all the information. And without a project, old steamers are being repaired.

              Quote: Kushka
              And you are chalk, kerosene.

              And what do you dislike about chalk-kerosene. The standard method for fault detection of welded seams is probably a hundred years old.
              Quote: Kushka
              Uncle will take the project of this building, take the act of defect
              tion, will draw all the repair parts in different projections,
              will write technologically ... and get working drawings
              and ....... an estimate. But what about without her? - the materials will not be given out.
              Then approvals, all signatures, seals ...

              But this paperwork is the saddest thing. Here it also becomes ten times more complicated because the state purchaser and all these jokes with tenders and state purchases. If I can call the director of the plant and ask to urgently repair the emergency damage on the ship, and the work will actually start immediately upon the arrival of the ship, even before the conclusion of the contract and payment of money, on my word of honor, I have not failed. And they will work overtime if necessary. And he most likely will not contact a military customer.
          4. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 27 September 2020 12: 02
            -1
            General renovation will take 3 - 4 weeks at least. I declare this as a specialist.

            The Chinese build a skyscraper in a week!
        3. sailor roman
          sailor roman 27 September 2020 19: 31
          -1
          With the current organization of ship repair in the Navy, it will take at least a month to assess the damage caused, prepare a repair list, and make decisions. One and a half two months for preparation of production and another month for work, and this is subject to the capacity of the shipyard, the availability of personnel, etc. In Soviet times, everything about everything would have taken a week.
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 27 September 2020 22: 02
            +1
            I want to show one picture, stuck with Fleetphoto.

            The dudes did not fit into the turn on the Don, and flew into the oncoming lane, into the nose of the Chinese "Calliope".
            They fixed this on the Midel pretty quickly, in about three weeks. They just cut off the whole nose and made a new one. And here the volume is many times greater than that of the IPC.
      2. zenion
        zenion 26 September 2020 17: 56
        +1
        You are wrong about 10 mm. There on the strength of 5 mm.
        1. venik
          venik 26 September 2020 19: 29
          -3
          Quote: zenion
          You are wrong about 10 mm. There on the strength of 5 mm.

          =======
          How was it determined? "By eye"? what
      3. Berkut752
        Berkut752 26 September 2020 18: 23
        +5
        And how thick would you like to see the side, in the area of ​​the tank ???? 40mm, 50mm, 60mm, or maybe
        at once 1mm.
        You just wonder how illiterate men are ..........................
        On civilian ships, sheathing is 8 mm, on military ships 10 mm, in the tank area
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 26 September 2020 19: 48
          +4
          Quote: Berkut752
          And how thick would you like to see the side, in the area of ​​the tank ????

          Armor !!! fellow Yes, to keep the main caliber "Yamato"! (this is in case I get it up) wassat
        2. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 26 September 2020 21: 56
          0
          Quote: Berkut752
          On civilian ships, sheathing is 8 mm, on military ships 10 mm, in the tank area

          On civil ships weighing 5k and more, in the 25 mm midship area, this is normal. If the ship is larger, then it can be thicker :)
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 26 September 2020 18: 15
      -5
      Quote: Benzorez
      then what kind of a hole is this ?!
      It is rather a crumpled / torn deck

      There can be holes in the hull itself and in the deck and in the superstructure. A hole anywhere is a hole.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 26 September 2020 18: 30
        +2
        Well, to hell with her. With a hole. You know better.
    5. Piramidon
      Piramidon 26 September 2020 18: 21
      -6
      Quote: Benzorez
      what kind of a hole is this ?!
      It is rather a crumpled / torn deck

      Any through penetration is a hole. And it doesn't matter on board, on deck or in the superstructure.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 26 September 2020 19: 06
        +3
        All my life in the navy it was considered a hole - breaking the hull below the waterline. In connection with this, the struggle for the survivability of the ship begins according to the staffing table. If anyone survived there.
        I took the time to answer you personally. Don't teach your grandmother to cough. hi
        1. venik
          venik 26 September 2020 19: 32
          -4
          Quote: Benzorez
          All my life in the navy it was considered a hole - breaking the hull below the waterline.

          ========
          WHAT are the "holes ABOVE the waterline" called then? what
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 26 September 2020 19: 53
            +2
            These are called holes.
            For improved ventilation of employees.
  3. rotfuks
    rotfuks 26 September 2020 17: 05
    -11 qualifying.
    with such a hole and stayed afloat. I remember a Norwegian cruiser with more modest damage sank.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 26 September 2020 17: 11
      10
      So that below the waterline was firmly given, so that they could not seal the hole, but here they spoiled the tank from above a little - nothing terrible happened so that he would not stay afloat.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 26 September 2020 17: 22
      +9
      Our tank is well trimmed, and the Norwegian battleship has framed, if I'm not mistaken, one MCO and the adjacent compartment. Paul's ship is looking for the side of an aircraft carrier. hi
    3. venik
      venik 26 September 2020 19: 34
      -2
      Quote: rotfuks
      I remember a Norwegian cruiser with more modest effects sank.

      ========
      And what - Norway has CRUISER? belay
      1. rotfuks
        rotfuks 26 September 2020 21: 05
        +2
        The classification of modern battleships is extensive, and the difference between the various types of sea monsters is not all that obvious. Actually, a Norwegian frigate sank. But in many media it is called a cruiser.
        1. venik
          venik 27 September 2020 11: 31
          0
          Quote: rotfuks
          The classification of modern battleships is extensive, and the difference between the various types of sea monsters is not all that obvious.

          =========
          Well, I do, and right - "not so obvious"! Frigates - ships second rank (far sea zone), and cruisers - ships of the first rank (ocean zone)! What is really incomprehensible here? By the way, Norway has never had cruisers in its fleet (unless, of course, we consider the armored dwarfs "Fridtjof" and "Viking" as such, which many naval experts attributed to the class of gunboats!) .....
          That is why I was sincerely surprised by the mention of "Norwegian cruisers"! (For which, for some reason, and "shook with slippers" .... As for the "Helge Ingstad" recently sat on the stones, then it (neither in displacement, nor in travel range, nor in autonomy, nor in armament), not that so that a "cruiser", even a "destroyer" - well, no way does not pull! So-so - a medium-sized frigate (there are also larger and more powerful ones) .....
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 26 September 2020 17: 11
    10
    Yes, they were not sickly they drove into the board of the referee. Well, they did the ships in the GDR. The old deck will be cut off, it will be like a new one. We have the Omul "Strelets" type, too, the GDR ovsky-built supertanker tested its strength, so they cut off three meters and put a new one.
  5. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 26 September 2020 17: 19
    +8
    Time after time I am convinced that a dry cargo ship is the best means of war at sea. The number and qualifications of the team are minimal, it's not a pity to lose. You cannot stop a loaded ship, rushing and rushing. In the case of a successful ramming, you can always blame a drunk team or a problem, while the insurance will cover all losses.
  6. tlauicol
    tlauicol 26 September 2020 17: 31
    +4
    the merchant got it harder
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 26 September 2020 17: 48
      +1
      It's even easier to repair. Cut off the flaps, align the set, and apply a backup to the casing. Before the next docking, it floats, the damaged sheets will be replaced on the waiting list.
      1. Motorist
        Motorist 26 September 2020 18: 50
        +5
        Quote: rzzz
        overlay a stunt double

        No, the Register (and here there is no way without it - an incident, after all) does not accept backup. Will be renovated to "like boulo".
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 26 September 2020 18: 53
          0
          Quote: Motorist
          The register (and here there is no way without it - an incident, after all) does not accept duplicates

          Does not accept on the waiting list, and on the dock in the underwater part.
          Will do for emergency repairs.
          1. Motorist
            Motorist 26 September 2020 19: 00
            +4
            I think it’s unlikely in this case. I’ll ask a friend from the register one of these days, I’ll unsubscribe.
          2. Motorist
            Motorist 9 November 2020 20: 12
            0
            Hello. Finally got in touch with a friend. Says that temporary repairs (which will satisfy the Register) in such cases will take the same amount of time and resources as a full one; therefore, shipowners do not bother with understudies and repair them immediately. hi
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 10 November 2020 14: 34
              +1
              This is if the repair is done under the Register. But not a single sane ship owner will appear in the Register, only if there was an obviously "noisy" accident with consequences. This is a lot of gimor, paperwork and extra expenses. But such accidents, as in this case, are rare, and they are repaired "simply".
              1. Motorist
                Motorist 10 November 2020 21: 39
                0
                Quote: rzzz
                no sane shipowner will appear in the Register

                I'll tell you more - they just repair it by the crew. Even the underwater part. And then in the dock - depending on the number of diopters of the Register inspector's glasses. But this is not the case, the collision is serious enough.

                PS By the way, there are not many "papers" with the Register. The main thing is that the plant (workshop) is IACS certified.
                1. Rzzz
                  Rzzz 11 November 2020 00: 32
                  0
                  Well, I've been doing all this stuff for the last 5 years, when I finally got ashore. By the way, it turned out that it is more difficult for the River Register to surrender than the Maritime Register. Stricter requirements and more meticulous inspectors.
    2. Kerensky
      Kerensky 26 September 2020 17: 56
      +1
      Judging by the photo, the "merchant" didn't have enough - he could dodge!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 26 September 2020 18: 05
        +4
        Quote: Kerensky
        Judging by the photo, the "merchant" didn't have enough - he could dodge!

        from ours? yah.. lol
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 26 September 2020 18: 31
          +1
          In the Peruvian zone, we sometimes drove the Japs. Good weather, the sun, excitement, water in the swamp. Cap did not forbid to be on the wing of the captain's bridge. From the left along the side, a Japanese fishing schooner was crossing the course. Cap the humorist, goes to the wing of the bridge to us. With the question who must give way. Electromech: Of course, Japanese! Why? The Japanese has one pipe, and we have two, so we are stronger. The cap for the helmsman is full forward, we don't turn off the course. It's a pity there was no video camera, to shoot how the Japanese dodged us, and for a long time I swore in Japanese with a typhon. I had to blow my tune, everything was quiet at once. hi drinks good
      2. Machito
        Machito 27 September 2020 15: 13
        +1
        Quote: Kerensky
        Judging by the photo, the "merchant" didn't have enough - he could dodge!

        Dodge? You can slip through our fucking laughing
    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 26 September 2020 18: 05
      +1
      The merchant's starboard side was aligned, the blow was delivered from the shore in any scenario, and this happened at the bridge, who climbed very hard on the wrong side of the fairway. hi Your options! Doesn't look like a hole in the back.
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 26 September 2020 18: 26
        +5
        Your options! Doesn't look like a hole

        The merchant was in circulation and almost drifting. Yes, we remember - take care of your starboard side ...
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 26 September 2020 18: 32
          +2
          Our starboard side is also pokotsan. So the question is, who is to blame.
          In general, according to all the rules, it turns out that in any sea collision, both are always to blame.
          1. Kerensky
            Kerensky 26 September 2020 20: 24
            0
            Our starboard side is also pokotsan. So the question is, who is to blame.

            The merchant has a blow almost to the stern. If the merchant was a little faster and fell off our left earlier, maybe they dodged the sides, but .... The merchant in the photo is in ballast? Then everything could have been worse in metal .. The pen would have been turned down for him for sure, maybe they even reached the screws. Then it’s exactly on the dock to Petrovich ...
  7. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 26 September 2020 17: 41
    +7
    "Is that a type of wood inside? Sheathed with thin metal? Mm10 from strength. I do not approve. I comment on the photo to the article.
    I don't quite understand where you found the tree sheathed with thin metal ...
    I even looked at the magnification.
    Perhaps you mean the cork (brown). So this was the thermal insulation of the case then ...
    With the increase, I noticed that the stem was noticeably rotten. Presumably, the rest of the case is in a very similar state.
    This is not good.
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 26 September 2020 20: 41
      0
      Quote: Benzorez
      I don't quite understand where you found the tree sheathed with thin metal ...

      There was a tree on the bridge. In a beautiful shape with gold shoulder straps.
    2. for
      for 26 September 2020 21: 53
      0
      Quote: Benzorez
      that the stem is noticeably rotten. Presumably, the rest of the case is in a very similar state.

      The first mate with the boatswain hang the eggs on the yard.
  8. seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 26 September 2020 17: 49
    +5
    The distance is shortened, the bearing does not change. The commander will receive the first number, most likely no longer the commander.
  9. zenion
    zenion 26 September 2020 17: 54
    +2
    Supposed this could only happen on land. But for a Russian person it is possible, there are no impossible ways!
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 26 September 2020 18: 18
      +2
      For 25 years at sea, I always wondered how two loneliness could not part at sea, sometimes you wonder around these ships and there are no other steamers for tens of miles. This does not apply to the straits. Not only ours suffer from this.
      1. for
        for 26 September 2020 21: 59
        +1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        sometimes you wonder around these ships and dozens of miles of other steamers

        This is the trouble with hoping that they are not. There are fewer collisions on the rivers.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 26 September 2020 22: 28
          0
          Maybe the bridge is always in good shape on the river. There is a slope at sea. And in the merchant fleet I don't know if the sailors are still in the helmsman or just the navigator on the bridge. The fishermen still have the sailors in the steering. hi drinks
  10. Rzzz
    Rzzz 26 September 2020 18: 03
    +5
    By the way, I drew attention to the terrible painting.
    I have worked on many steamers and have never seen anything like this anywhere. Even the old pusher with a team of alcoholics, where I got to practice (escaped after a little over two weeks), was painted better. When I worked on a passenger steamer for a long time, I felt what painting is. belay belay belay belay
    Here the steamer has not been cleaned, bad paint is somehow smeared, rust appears !!!
    And it was they who were going on a check call at a foreign port. Disgrace
  11. Rzzz
    Rzzz 26 September 2020 18: 06
    +5
    By the way, I drew attention to the terrible painting.
    I have worked on many steamers and have never seen anything like this anywhere. Even the old pusher with a team of alcoholics, where I got to practice (escaped after a little over two weeks), was painted better. When I worked on a passenger steamer for a long time, I felt what painting is. belay belay belay belay Everything sparkled with us, the appearance was perfect.
    Here the steamer has not been cleaned, bad paint is somehow smeared, rust appears !!!
    And they went on a demonstration call at a foreign port. Shame !!! Especially when you consider that there is enough time to put things in order, and labor, waving scruffs and brushes is more than dofig.
  12. Dikson
    Dikson 26 September 2020 18: 12
    +5
    I understand that having poked all kinds of Glonass and GPS navigators of the Chinese assembly, our sailors completely forgot about the banal radar stations and stupidly forgot how to use them? The ref is much larger than a fishing felucca and does not have stealth technology .. Do not see the steamer dangling in the drift and run into it ..
  13. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 26 September 2020 18: 37
    +3
    Quote: Laksamana Besar
    And there is:

    ..........

    well that is, I cut a hole with my nose
  14. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 26 September 2020 19: 14
    +3
    Judging by the photo, the hull is rusted like old Lada, the primer does not help. Instead of repair, a new ship is needed.
  15. zontov79
    zontov79 26 September 2020 19: 14
    -3
    Well, it happens, it's all little things. But what is really not a trifle is that our anti-people government approved an increase in electricity tariffs !!!
  16. Graz
    Graz 26 September 2020 21: 47
    0
    you need to write off such old stuff
  17. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 26 September 2020 22: 00
    +1
    In general, they screwed up .. The merchant is ten times thicker and slower, even if he set himself up, it is purely shameful not to dodge the corvette from such a cow ..
  18. Dude
    Dude 27 September 2020 01: 18
    +1
    Top crew members went shopping in Europe?
    We made a collision. All on trial, remove the stars from the shoulder straps. Shame.
    With such navigators, you can immediately give up
  19. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 27 September 2020 05: 25
    +1
    At sea, be afraid of warships, they are armed and all do not care and ships with a displacement of more than 10 thousand tons. Huge "fools" and constantly go on autopilot !!! I know from my own experience.
  20. fiberboard
    fiberboard 27 September 2020 08: 44
    0
    And this is called, there is little damage in the fleet, as they wrote here earlier?
  21. Mimino
    Mimino 28 September 2020 07: 47
    0
    Yeah. Will he sink the boats with a ram? How will he look for them if he has not noticed such a barge?