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The Pentagon intends to increase the number of ships in the American fleet to 500 or more

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The Pentagon intends to increase the number of ships in the American fleet to 500 or more

The US Navy in the future will include more than 500 ships. According to Defense News, the Pentagon intends to increase the fleet to 530 ships.


To increase the number of ships, the US Navy will begin the transition to lighter ships against the backdrop of the abandonment of aircraft carriers and large surface ships, according to research commissioned by the US military. Going forward, the US Navy should include smaller surface warships, unmanned ships and submarines, as well as expanded logistics forces.

Two independent teams of specialists have proposed that the United States have a fleet of 480 to 534 ships. The immediate plans are to increase the Navy to 2030 ships by 355.

One way to get quickly [to the big fleet] is to switch to light manned [ships] that can become unmanned over time. (...) You can build them so that they are additionally piloted, and then, depending on the scenario or technology, at some point in time they can become unmanned

- said earlier US Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

At the same time, according to the head of the Pentagon, 355 ships may not be enough to confront Russia and China, so he called for an even greater increase in the forces of the US Navy.

I want to be sure that in the future we will have a Navy capable of confronting China or, if necessary, defeating it. I think that 355 ships will be few. I think that we need a larger fleet, and its composition will be different from the current one. In the future there will be more small surface ships ... And it seems to me that we need more submarines

- he said.

At present, the US Navy includes a little less than 300 ships ready "for immediate execution of combat missions".
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  1. Morglenn
    Morglenn 26 September 2020 13: 12
    0
    Are 500 ships purely combat ships or are there any auxiliary ships in this number too?
    1. Mytholog
      Mytholog 26 September 2020 13: 51
      +5
      Combat. Auxiliaries are ships, not ships.
      I remember that in 2013 there were 212 and they planned to bring it to 2020 units by 313.
      Afraid. It's a shame that there is more China than us)
      Quote: Morglenn
      Are 500 ships purely combat ships or are there any auxiliary ships in this number too?
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 26 September 2020 14: 11
        -5
        "Combat. Auxiliary are ships, not ships.
        I remember that in 2013 there were 212 and they planned to bring it to 2020 units by 313.
        Afraid. It's a shame that there is more China than us) "
        It is the Pentagon-NATO members who are preparing for the implementation of their "GLOBAL strike concept." Nothing personal.:
        In "non-nuclear equipment, these complexes should solve the same tasks that are now entrusted to the strategic nuclear forces."

        The interrelation of plans to deploy a missile defense system and create means of instant global strike is obvious. When a “disarming” strike is delivered against targets of Russian and Chinese strategic nuclear forces, the effectiveness of the American missile defense system will significantly increase.
        The creation of the means of an instant global strike is another factor that confirms Washington's desire to destroy the existing balance of forces and ensure global strategic dominance.
        Simply put, 500 ships NAVERNYAK, from different directions, will cover those restraining defense targets that will not penetrate other types of combat arms.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 26 September 2020 14: 56
          +2
          Quote: fn34440
          Simply put, 500 ships NAVERNYAK, from different directions, will cover those restraining defense targets that will not penetrate other types of combat arms.

          I wonder how much you need to be Gorbachev so that 500 ships concentrating on the country's borders do not cause questions and a response?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 26 September 2020 20: 42
            0
            I think we need a larger fleet, and its composition will be different from the current one. There will be more small surface ships in the future ... And it seems to me that we need more submarines

            Did they take our shipbuilding program as a basis? bully
        2. K298rtm
          K298rtm 26 September 2020 21: 42
          0
          Dear Mrs. Faina, please explain what an instant global strike is?
          It’s not clear to me (this is probably because I didn’t finish the academies of the General Staff), how is it possible to simultaneously suddenly and secretly strike (with a disarming blow) a large number of objects that are located on a very large area?
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 26 September 2020 13: 13
    -8
    Directly asks for this UDC in the center of this order for a Chinese "magic" medium-range ballistic missile. repeat
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 September 2020 13: 55
      +5
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Directly asks for this UDC in the center of this order for a Chinese "magic" medium-range ballistic missile. repeat

      And then, right into the very epicenter of this batch to stick, so that such game is not written. fool
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 26 September 2020 14: 59
        +2
        and it is better to write game about 500 ships at the border of Russia that we can not stop? wassat
  3. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 26 September 2020 13: 14
    -4
    Well, if boats are considered ships, then you can safely swing at 600)))
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 September 2020 13: 56
      +1
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Well, if boats are considered ships, then you can safely swing at 600)))

      Why are you so happy here? Or do you get wet in what is happening with our fleet?
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 07
        +6
        With yours, Andrey, with yours))) because, in the territory where I live, there is no fleet, there is, only a herd of admirals)))
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 September 2020 14: 10
          0
          Quote: TermNachTER
          With yours, Andrey, with yours))) because, in the territory where I live, there is no fleet, there is, only a herd of admirals)))

          Moreover ... in general, the height of idiocy is to rejoice at the militarization of the world, realizing that it is very possible that this weapon can be used and NOBODY will survive afterwards.
          Here people were shut down for quarantine and they whine from all sides ... and there is a war, and a world one. And after that you will not find buckwheat in stores, but the stores themselves will be in dust.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 13
            +6
            Can you somehow influence the demilitarization process? So do I. I am glad that the next project of mattress mats will again end up in billions of dollars in spending, for their budget and "0" - in the "result" column))))
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 26 September 2020 14: 24
              0
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Can you somehow influence the demilitarization process? So do I. I am glad that the next project of mattress mats will again end up in billions of dollars in spending, for their budget and "0" - in the "result" column))))

              Whether it is zero or not, no one can know ... but to be glad that there will be much more weapons that can turn the whole world into dust - this is an excuse diagnosis.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 25
                +1
                How can an unmanned boat turn the world to dust? Even a flotilla of such boats
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 26 September 2020 14: 27
                  -2
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  How can an unmanned boat turn the world to dust? Even a flotilla of such boats

                  How did the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand plunge the world into World War I? There was one pistol shot.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 39
                    +4
                    The shot in Sarajevo was just an excuse, the reasons were quite different. Your humble servant graduated from the history department, albeit in absentia.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 26 September 2020 14: 40
                      -2
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      The shot in Sarajevo was just an excuse, the reasons were quite different. Your humble servant graduated from the history department, albeit in absentia.

                      Can't the boat be a reason? No?
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 57
                        +6
                        Following your logic, the reason can be anything - a tanker, a tractor, an airplane. How to be? Cancel, deny, restrict?
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 26 September 2020 14: 58
                        -2
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Following your logic, the reason can be anything - a tanker, a tractor, an airplane. How to be? Cancel, deny, restrict?

                        At the very least, not to be happy that there are more and more weapons in the world, and these are not machine guns or pistols, but means that the world can really send to hell. WHOLE WORLD!
                    2. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 26 September 2020 15: 07
                      +3
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Can't the boat be a reason? No?

                      the reason can be not only the boat. ANYTHING can be a reason! Are you ready to panic and commit suicide? wassat
                    3. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 26 September 2020 15: 08
                      -3
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      the reason can be not only the boat. ANYTHING can be a reason! Are you ready to panic and commit suicide?

                      GET UP! And stop putting clichés on people! fool
                    4. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 26 September 2020 15: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      GET UP!

                      you were not torn from pathos when it was composed? bully
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      And stop putting clichés on people!

                      shortcuts? what do you. just a critique of your baseless panic wink
  • svp67
    svp67 26 September 2020 13: 15
    +2
    500 ships in the Navy - EXCELLENT. Hopefully this will be the TA "last straw" that will break the "backbone" of their financial system ...
    1. for
      for 26 September 2020 13: 22
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      the last straw "that will break the" spine "of their financial system ...

      You still believe in fairy tales that the arms race destroyed the USSR, it helps the United States to survive, like military conflicts.
      1. svp67
        svp67 26 September 2020 13: 34
        +5
        Quote: for
        It helps the United States to survive, like military conflicts.

        Conflicts, I note SUCCESSFUL, yes. But just like that, to have on the balance sheet 500 ships that need to be maintained, repaired, provided ... and that means you need to get money from somewhere and you can't do with simple printing
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 26 September 2020 13: 47
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          Conflicts, I note SUCCESSFUL, yes. But just like that, to have on the balance sheet 500 ships that need to be maintained, repaired, provided ... and that means you need to get money from somewhere and you can't do with simple printing

          These 500 ships (and not only) provide US economic interests around the world.
          1. Arthur73
            Arthur73 26 September 2020 13: 53
            +1
            Quite right. The world gendarme will only increase his military power. They will print money for this, and they will take additional fat off the satellites and colonies.
          2. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 26 September 2020 15: 13
            -3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            These 500 ships (and not only) provide US economic interests around the world.

            shitty provide once they are already sent by third world countries wink they cannot against Iran, they cannot against Venezuela, they cannot against the DPRK, what can they do? strike terror into the hearts of the gullible on VO? wassat it's funny ...
            1. for
              for 26 September 2020 15: 17
              0
              Quote: SanichSan
              can not

              Or they don't want to. Maybe they Ы fear.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 26 September 2020 15: 21
                0
                Quote: for
                Or do not want to.

                if it weren't for Trump, Eun would not have met wink
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 26 September 2020 15: 07
          -1
          Quote: svp67
          500 ships that need to be maintained, repaired, provided ... and that means you need to take money from somewhere

          Ships came to the shores of some kind of Burmundia, put the necessary government there and pump money from there.
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 26 September 2020 13: 48
        -1
        Quote: for
        arms race, USA it helps to survive

        The USA helps to survive the money machine on which they "print" dollars for the whole world. And military conflicts, these bucks help, to sell to the same world. And on 500 warships, the printing press can overheat. For half a year, the US economy sank by at least a third, and the financial year ends in the fall. Let's see what will happen to them with the collection of taxes, against the backdrop of riots, unemployment and the crown. And then there is the "helicopter money" to be printed. laughing
        1. Kushka
          Kushka 26 September 2020 21: 19
          +2
          Read news in a row, not selectively.
          Total US Household Assets
          rose to a record high of $ 119 trillion.
          Until recently (Google for help) they were one third lower.
          I wish our economy collapsed like that.
          And in general, if 30% give such a cool result
          (for households), let it fall by all 50%.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 26 September 2020 13: 24
      +4
      laughing
      Have you looked at the course for a long time?

      If that in the spring and summer they poured the enhanced AUG into the exchange. And nothing cracked.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 26 September 2020 13: 29
        -1
        Quote: donavi49
        Have you looked at the course for a long time?

        Don't look at all? I held the currency in my hands ... 15 years ago ..., since then there is no such need ..
        However, your post betrays a resident of Independence ...
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 26 September 2020 13: 32
          +3
          Quote: dvina71
          the post gives out a resident of Independence ...

          So it is - they are now in the midst of the 90s. yes laughing
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 26 September 2020 13: 38
          +1
          And what does the currency have to do with it, if we are talking about the rise in prices of all non-food items? Starting from what iPhones / Playstation / Amperes ending with cars, medicines.

          Roughly speaking, the component / product in purchase 9.99 September 1 for the supplier meant 735 rubles
          Now it is 780 rubles, and for October deliveries all 800.

          Who will pay the difference yourself?
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 26 September 2020 13: 45
            -3
            Quote: donavi49
            And what does the currency have to do with it, if we are talking about the rise in prices of all non-food items? Starting from what iPhones / Playstation / Amperes ending with cars, medicines.

            Typical view of a resident of an import-dependent country.
            I inform you .. I am interested in the prices for spare parts for my cargo VOLVO .. and here's what is interesting .. since last year, there is practically no price increase .. The competition is such, and the countries of manufacture all have settlements with the Russian Federation in their currencies .. that anyone who wishes raise the price tag .. it will go bust ..
            As for the apple phone ... That's who will explain to me why I need a piece of plastic for huge, for such a piece, money?
            So for reference .. on the road I take a phone, a dialer with a charge for two weeks, two tablets .. How can an iPhone fit in here .. a mystery to me ..
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 26 September 2020 13: 52
              +4
              Well, with this approach, you can justify anything. Do not go to rest. Do not fly on airplanes. There are domestic products and analgin. There really is a rate of at least 100000 to 1 wink
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 26 September 2020 13: 58
                -1
                Quote: donavi49
                Well, with this approach, you can justify anything.

                Well, I'm definitely not going to wither over 10% growth in the currency .. I will surprise .. the products in Russia are almost all domestic .., with the exception of tropical fruits ..
                Analgin .. What do you even bring analgin to the Square?
                Yes, at least 1 to a million .. I remember well the rate of 1k 6 .. Dying factories, unemployment, wage delays .. crumbling roads ... Oh .. where is all this happening now? BUT there everyone is watching the currencies ... Maybe they are not busy with that? Not?
              2. dvina71
                dvina71 26 September 2020 14: 05
                -1
                Quote: donavi49
                Do not fly on airplanes.

                I was not too lazy .. found for you ..
                https://www.kupibilet.ru/search/27SEPSVOSIP/WV8xMDBfMjdTRVBTVk9TSVBfY29udGV4dF9uYl9zaXRlX2RfMTYwMTExODE2OQ==?filter={%22airlines%22:{%22Airline-SU%22:true}}
                From Sheremetyevo to Simferopol..the price of the question is 5.9 tr ... No one cares about currency jumps .. people work ..
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 26 September 2020 13: 38
        -3
        Quote: donavi49
        And nothing cracked.

        I will also add ..

        Cracked .. just like .. Now there is one problem .. how not to allow the states to solve their problems in their usual way ..
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 26 September 2020 13: 41
          +4
          Well, this is not economic, but social protest / pogroms.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 26 September 2020 13: 51
            -5
            Quote: donavi49
            Well, this is not economic, but social protest / pogroms.

            Uh .. 40 million unemployed ... no? Not economic?
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 26 September 2020 13: 54
              +4
              Benefits have not been canceled yet. And the whole social network.

              In general, it is now more pre-election. If not for the elections, it would have been blown away long ago. And so they throw firewood.
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 26 September 2020 14: 14
                -3
                Quote: donavi49
                In general, it is now more pre-election

                Ie, demolishing the monuments to General Lee ... is it pre-election?
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 26 September 2020 14: 37
                  +1
                  You could say that, the Democrats are ready to bear any sacrifices and bear any costs, just to prevent Trump from being re-elected. And General Li fought for the South, i.e. one might say he was a republican. lol
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 27 September 2020 08: 02
                    0
                    In those years, it was the democrats who were against the abolition of slavery. Lincoln was a Republican.)
        2. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer 26 September 2020 14: 21
          +6
          Quote: dvina71
          Cracked ... still like

          This is a video with a beard.
          Ida..
          You don't like iPhones, but when will you change from Volvo to Kamaz?
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 26 September 2020 15: 12
            -1
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            You don't like iPhones, but when will you change from Volvo to Kamaz?

            PF .. you compared .. What is an iPhone and what is a heavy truck ... Just for a second .. from the last trip .. harp and rollers for an excavator in ARHport, a bucket for an excavator for local .. + work clothes for the NSR and the Arctic. .. And what benefits does an iPhone bring in your hands?
            You will not believe .. I still have MAZ .. and now what?
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 September 2020 13: 57
      0
      Quote: svp67
      500 ships in the Navy - EXCELLENT. Hopefully this will be the TA "last straw" that will break the "backbone" of their financial system ...

      It is not the financial burden that will break their backs ...

      And more ..
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension 26 September 2020 13: 17
    +3
    I want to be sure that in future we will have a navy capable of confronting China or, if need be, defeat it.

    That is, the US Navy is no longer capable of confronting China?
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 27 September 2020 08: 24
      +1
      They are capable. They just got used to the fact that their power and capabilities totally outnumber other countries. Hence the plans to increase the number of sides by 1.5 times. China is building ships at a rapid pace and to totally to surpass it, you need to try hard.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 26 September 2020 13: 26
    +1
    "To increase the number of ships, the US Navy will begin the transition to lighter ships against the background of the abandonment of aircraft carriers and large surface ships" - does this mean a change in the US naval strategy? Most likely, the Americans will retain the trend for Uro destroyers, we apparently have a similar vector of fleet development, inevitably you recall in the chat supporters and apologists for the construction of nuclear cruisers and aircraft carriers in the Russian Federation
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 26 September 2020 15: 14
      0
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      does this mean a change in US naval strategy?


      Change is inevitable, technology does not stand still. New tools are emerging - drones and unmanned ships. They are cheaper, they can be lost without serious consequences, their effectiveness is close to aircraft and ships operated by people.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 26 September 2020 13: 29
    +4
    They are there, of course, "all stupid" (s), but apparently they read newspapers.

    Just recently, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko, said that
    ... this year the Navy will supply 22 warships and 15 support vessels.


    In 2021, Russian shipbuilding enterprises will transfer more than 20 ships to the fleet. Among them are several submarines - strategic missile, multipurpose, large diesel. The military will also receive corvettes, missile ships, minesweepers, boats and 20 auxiliary vessels.

    In 2022, 19 warships and auxiliary vessels will enter service with the Russian Navy.


    The Russian navy will receive over 60 modern ships and submarines in the next three years. In addition, more than fifty support vessels will be handed over to naval sailors.


    So why be surprised? Better overdoing than underdoing. hi
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 27 September 2020 01: 47
      -2

      A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
      Yesterday, 13: 29
      +3
      They are there, of course, "all stupid" (c), ....
      Are there doubts? laughing So the whole world knows about it!
      but newspapers seem to be read.
      But this is a huge doubt, if the people in the Senate do not know the names of the countries! Well, they would be confused - DO NOT KNOW! wassat As for the Merikatos help to the people of Limpopo, do you need to remember? laughing wassat tongue laughing And finally, what are the discussions of the Russian Navy in the article? Or, as always, without pouring out on the fan about Russia will not fall asleep? laughing
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 26 September 2020 13: 53
    +1
    We don't have a hundred from all fleets. Do they count with boats?
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 26 September 2020 14: 02
    0
    At the same time, according to the head of the Pentagon, 355 ships may not be enough to confront Russia and China, so he called for an even greater increase in the forces of the US Navy.

    Russia and China did not seem to be going to attack the USA))) And they say our "cartoons" do not frighten)))
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 26 September 2020 14: 22
    +4
    It is necessary to increase the number of aircraft, not the number of ships.
    A ship at sea always has a limited supply of air defense and missile defense missiles.
    Even if the ship successfully repels 2-3 waves of air attacks,
    he will empty his kit. And the fourth wave will shoot him
    unarmed.
    And planes, when there are many of them, can organize a "carousel", constantly
    re-equipping with new PRK and bombs.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 26 September 2020 14: 52
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It is necessary to increase the number of aircraft, not the number of ships.

      One does not cancel the other. But it all depends on the number of people. The training of qualified pilots and sailors is too long. One of the reasons for the future heyday of drones and unmanned ships.
    2. Kerensky
      Kerensky 26 September 2020 17: 14
      0
      It is necessary to increase the number of aircraft, not the number of ships.

      I agree with your message Alexey. But that’s good, if you’re going to war ... And if you pinch the drug lords? You can't hook a load off an airplane ... I figured out how many drugs the USA squeezes out a year ... And? Didn't sow, didn't plow, - the box is full ... Are they going for the needs of the pharmaceutical industry? From the adhesive plaster would have already inserted ... Destroyed? Yes, they will not have enough shale gas to burn IT!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 September 2020 19: 13
        +2
        "how many drugs a year does the US squeeze out ..." ///
        ----
        A lot of. Tons. But they are burned in special places, carefully watching so that nothing is stolen or replaced.
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal 26 September 2020 21: 20
      0
      Someone will write that the planes will end earlier smile
    4. bk0010
      bk0010 27 September 2020 12: 56
      0
      There won't be enough planes for a couple of waves. Even if they are not shot down during the attack, then their airfield will definitely evaporate. Besides, where will they come from in the middle of the ocean (strategists can, but strategists are expensive, there are never many of them)? And the rockets can be loaded from the support ship.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 26 September 2020 14: 25
    0
    In August, they wrote that the United States has no money for 355 ships, which there are 500.
  • Old26
    Old26 26 September 2020 14: 29
    +2
    Quote: Morglenn
    Are 500 ships purely combat ships or are there any auxiliary ships in this number too?

    Now they have (for 2020) in service about 283 warships, 185 amphibious assault ships, plus a number of auxiliary ones. That is, in the future, 500 combat. That IMHO is extremely unlikely. For 10 years, they are going to increase the combat strength by 89 combat units, and increase by 200-250 - this is until 2040-2050, not earlier. Unlikely. all the more, they are going to increase not only the navy, but also strategic aviation, and in the future, for sure, also ICBMs and tactical aviation. Sweet and unrealizable dreams ...

    Quote: tralflot1832
    Directly asks for this UDC in the center of this order for a Chinese "magic" medium-range ballistic missile. repeat

    This "magic" Chinese missile is also not clear yet ...

    Quote: svp67
    Quote: for
    It helps the United States to survive, like military conflicts.

    Conflicts, I note SUCCESSFUL, yes. But just like that, to have on the balance sheet 500 ships that need to be maintained, repaired, provided ... and that means you need to get money from somewhere and you can't do with simple printing

    I will note, Sergei, BATTLE SHIPS, not counting the auxiliary ones, if you believe their numbers
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 26 September 2020 14: 49
      -1
      Quote: Old26
      That IMHO is extremely unlikely. For 10 years, they are going to increase the combat strength by 89 combat units, and increase by 200-250 - this is until 2040-2050, not earlier.

      It depends on what kind. Clearly this is not about the Destroyers. There just won't be enough people for all these ships.
      They recently commissioned the development of a promising Medium Unmanned Surface Vessel (MUSV). 40 of them are planned. Judging by this news, something large is planned, conventional corvettes, small submarines. They can stamp them a lot and quickly. Having remade some of the current ships into control centers, the same UDC does not need to be remade.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 September 2020 15: 22
      -3
      Let them build up to 1000 ships, we will make 4000 anti-ship missiles - a disproportionate answer, cheap and cheerful.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 September 2020 15: 28
        +2
        Not cheap. Cruise missiles are an expensive commodity. And perishable, besides. There should be an airtight, perfect storage.
        There was data on the orders of the Ministry of Defense for Caliber. They make only a few pieces a month.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 26 September 2020 15: 33
          -1
          Not as expensive as a whole ship with equipment and weapons, as well as the maintenance and training of the anti-ship missiles crew, like other missiles, has a guaranteed maintenance-free storage period of 10 years.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 26 September 2020 15: 53
            +2
            RCC also needs to be launched from somewhere. That is to go out to sea. This conventional Caliber can be fired at stationary targets in Syria a thousand kilometers away. Such things do not work with anti-ship missiles. Even subsonic anti-ship missiles from 100-200 km do not always find a target, and when they do, they do not always hit. This is for passive defense of ships. Without missile defense missiles.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 September 2020 20: 07
              -2
              It is even possible to launch launchers for Zircon from coastal missile systems that are unified with Caliber, and given its speed, the ship will be a stationary target and a satellite targeting system for surface targets is already being made in Russia.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 30 September 2020 20: 53
                +2
                Let's not talk about Zicron? smile
                When at least one of his photographs appears, there will be something to talk about.
                And then, it looks like an American prototype of a 6th generation fighter:
                not a single photo, but a lot of thoughts that he can laughing .
              2. 3danimal
                3danimal 30 September 2020 22: 47
                0
                The ship is moving 10-15 m / s. How many seconds does your hypothetical hyper-RCC fly? How will GPS guidance help her to hit the target? request
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 26 September 2020 21: 23
          0
          Met the data - up to 100 per year.
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 27 September 2020 08: 59
        0
        We make 100-150 "Calibers" per year (all, including CD). For 25-40 years we will make 4000 pieces good
        Question: what rates of production of anti-ship missiles can the Americans develop?
        Let me remind you that an armed destroyer (SAM, KR, anti-ship missiles, PLO) will not be substituted, but will try to inflict maximum damage on the attacking forces. And this means the loss of aircraft and ships. Which also need to be taken from somewhere.
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal 26 September 2020 21: 19
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      Sweet and unrealizable dreams ...

      The economy is weak, the budget is small .. Exports are only $ 2 trillion a year smile
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 26 September 2020 14: 29
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    Oh Lord, confrontation with us, and where, at sea. They decided to build up against the coastal mosquito fleet? Against the APL, and so it is enough in abundance. Against the Chinese, in general, there is parity, and then in favor of the Amers and without the British fleet and its colonies. I just see a wish for money with the sauce of the supposedly terrible Chinese and Russians.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 26 September 2020 15: 23
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      All the same, 500 ships is an offensive force.
      As soon as the ship approaches the distance when it can be sunk by means on the shore.
      All his power is "nulled" (in terms of his protection). And it doesn't matter how many ships arrive.
      Yes. The fleet can also be called "mosquito". But the tasks of this fleet are not offensive either. We simply do not have such tasks. Now anyway. In Syria, we solve problems without any problems. In Venezuela as well In Cuba - no problem. Sail past an American aircraft carrier in your own and show him p2syu. That's what the Chinese are for. Let them amuse each other. Any trough in the Black Sea is immediately under attack.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 September 2020 15: 49
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        The concept of "unsinkable aircraft carrier" was not invented for nothing!
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 26 September 2020 16: 28
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          The concept of "unsinkable aircraft carrier" was not invented for nothing!

          Have you heard anything about their combustion? Let him float but don't launch planes.
      2. evgen1221
        evgen1221 26 September 2020 18: 49
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        And at sea off the coast of Syria, someone seriously opposes us apologizing? IMHO there were some problems with delivery by sea, but they were silent about some kind of military operations, well, not to call single launches a battle, and yes, they fought gloriously on drowned aircraft.
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 26 September 2020 19: 37
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          and yes, they fought gloriously on drowned aircraft.


          And this is called real action. The main thing is that people are alive. The Americans also seem to have dropped something with wings from the deck into the sea.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 26 September 2020 15: 48
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    Their solution, their concept!
    To each his own.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 26 September 2020 15: 48
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    The fleet has one big advantage, it does not stand still and is always ready for battle. And also control of the trade routes of potential enemies .. That is the increase in the composition of the ships.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 26 September 2020 17: 25
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    I propose to announce the concept of the creation of the Ahineenos. Of course atomic. Let one of our parliamentarians speak (we have many of them). To entrust R&D to Rostik from a neighboring country (they have the best practices, plus cooperation).
    Let's pick up the cardboard. Their analysts will fall into the sediment, while others will propose to increase funding to counter. The media, again, will unsubscribe - we will discuss ...
  • Machete
    Machete 26 September 2020 20: 23
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    Saw, Shura, saw ...
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 September 2020 01: 37
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    I want to make sure that in the future we will have a navy that can withstand China or, if need be, defeat him.
    Strange wording. That is, if the order is not lost to China? request laughing request
  • fa2998
    fa2998 27 September 2020 11: 41
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    Quote: TermNachTER
    Well, if boats are considered ships, then you can safely swing at 600)))

    Well, if they turn to our "effective managers, and the admirals, they will help! They also launch more than 50" ships "with us, and with American shipbuilding, according to our templates, they will rivet 1000 different MRKs per year and so on. laughing hi
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 27 September 2020 12: 51
    +1
    The "good" intentions of the Pentagon paved the way for him to the zircon hell ...