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The Navy plans to return to the structure of the overhauled "Antey" and "Schuku-B"

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The Navy plans to return to the structure of the overhauled "Antey" and "Schuku-B"

In the coming years, the Navy may return to its membership two nuclear submarines of Project 971U Shchuka-B and Project 949A Antey that have been repaired at once. This is reported by the Russian media.


As they say "News" with reference to a source in the Ministry of Defense, the repair of the Magadan nuclear submarine will be completed a year earlier than planned, the submarine will return to fleet already in 2022. Currently, the submarine is undergoing repairs with modernization, the submarine should receive modern equipment.

It is noted that the submarine spent several years waiting for repairs, work on it began only in 2019, when the submarine was delivered to the Zvezda plant in the Far East. In this case, the submarine can once again be renamed. The thing is that the "Varshavyanka" is being built at the "Admiralty Shipyards" for the Pacific Fleet, called "Magadan".

Simultaneously with the Magadan, the project 949A Antey multipurpose nuclear submarine (nuclear submarine) Irkutsk is being repaired at Zvezda. According to TASS, citing a source in the shipbuilding industry, the submarine may return to service in 2023. There is no official confirmation of this information.

Under favorable circumstances, the expected date for the return of "Irkutsk" to operation is 2023

- the agency leads the words of the source.

Recall that the Irkutsk nuclear submarine was put into reserve in 1997 pending repairs, and in November 2001 the submarine was transferred to Bolshoy Kamen at the Zvezda shipyard. In fact, the repair and modernization of the nuclear submarine began in 2019.
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  1. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 26 September 2020 09: 27 New
    +3
    Well, one year ahead of schedule. So the deadlines are not always "right"!
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 26 September 2020 10: 02 New
      10
      when they enter, then we will write joyful comments, while this is only a promise .. unfortunately, we have a plan, this is not a fact .. probably due to lack of responsibility ...
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 26 September 2020 10: 33 New
        0
        Well, yes. If, when repairing boats, you operate on favorable circumstances, and not on scientific calculation, then it is definitely not a fact.
        1. hrych
          hrych 26 September 2020 11: 51 New
          11
          Why does great news make commentators groan? Of the eight Anteyevs, one is being prepared according to a special project to be carriers of Poseidons, etc. Of the five in service, four have been repaired and modernized in the last five years. Two are renovating. Instead of 24 Granites, they re-equip as much as 72 CalibroOniksoZircon. And this is only in vertical PU. With the same torpedo tubes, in addition to torpedoes and mines, all varieties of calibers can be used, from missile-torpedoes, anti-ship missiles to the strategic ZM-14. Up to 28 pieces of torpedoes or missiles. Multiply this household by five. From the killers of aircraft carriers, they have now turned into the incinerators of cities. What is the reason to cry and poop at the regime? wassat Well, with Magadan, there is no confusion, it will probably go to the Indians on lease and will be Vishnu, Shiva, etc.
          1. Pashhenko Nikolay
            Pashhenko Nikolay 26 September 2020 12: 02 New
            +6
            This is not moaning but discontent with references to favorable circumstances. It’s just a desire to be fulfilled on time.
            1. hrych
              hrych 26 September 2020 12: 41 New
              0
              I'll stand up for the dockers again. In the last five years, Russia received the latest and most advanced strike weapons. The same hypersonic Zircon, which is still being tested, but PU is being prepared for it. The same Caliber, which the fleet is being rearmed with, was used for the first time in Syria quite recently. There are advances in the radio-electronic sphere. Satellite systems are being deployed. The same Liana, and naturally now, with such a range of nuclear submarines' strike weapons, there is no need to enter the enemy's PLO zone, but target designation can only be external, with ZGRLS, Lotosov-S, etc. ...
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 26 September 2020 12: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            Why does great news moan from commentators?

            Not moaning, but doubt about the timing of the completion of the repair. Or do you think there is no reason to doubt the timing of all these "plans"? If our state fulfilled at least half of the announced "plans", we would have been the world's first economy for a long time.
            1. hrych
              hrych 26 September 2020 13: 29 New
              -4
              So what? Have you shifted the deadlines and lost everything? We are the first economy, but you don't know about it. We are still a powerful industrial, agricultural, mining and transit country with a serious military-industrial complex. But the economy also includes a wealth of natural resources. Land, rivers, forests, mineral resources, etc. By far the largest country is a priori the richest country. It's just that many do not get it.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 26 September 2020 13: 41 New
                +4
                Quote: hrych
                We are the first economy, but you don't know about it.

                Bravo. Please write another encore. The fact that I am not aware of this is, of course, only my fault. Apparently, in Soviet educational institutions, they did not teach well enough and they put the wrong meaning into the concept of "the world's first economy". Thank you for cheering me up. Write more such positive things and maybe you will be invited to some talk show, as a prominent economic observer.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 26 September 2020 13: 50 New
                  -6
                  I say that many people do not get it. The main reason for wars is the division of resources and, above all, territory. But the land is also the land of strife. For example, the United States and China are huge states, but most of the territory is made up of sandy, mountainous, etc. deserts. We have vast deserts, but only ice ones, which is the Arctic Circle, but these deserts are rich in mineral resources, primarily hydrocarbons. And, for example, estimate the cost of Lake Baikal, you can take a calculator or bills.
              2. DrEng527
                DrEng527 26 September 2020 16: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: hrych
                It's just that many do not get it.

                maybe because they know their income? request
                1. hrych
                  hrych 26 September 2020 17: 30 New
                  -7
                  In addition to income, these giants receive security from the state. Those. the ability to live and not be killed by enemies. Therefore, dear Boreas and Antaeus work for a goner. He uses social services, which, incl. filled with natural resources. He eats bread grown on our lands, etc. And the economy and ecology have one root.
                  1. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 26 September 2020 17: 45 New
                    +7
                    Quote: hrych
                    He eats bread grown on our lands and n

                    if not a secret - which fields are yours? bully
                    Quote: hrych
                    these goners get security from the state. T

                    these people are the state - they contain it wink
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 26 September 2020 18: 03 New
                      -7
                      From which you eat grain and bread. People without subsoil and resources would not have pulled the Aerospace Forces, the nuclear fleet and ICBMs. You don't want to destroy, for example, the Japanese. Russians do not have such a task and desire. But the Russians are trying to destroy. Or not? The Germans wanted to go to the Second World War, the Americans and the British want it now. Boar, Marigold, etc. just howled about it. Why? Read Mackinder on the Heartland theory. For this Heartland there is a thousand-year struggle, and our people have been holding it for the last half-millennium. And you didn't even know it wassat that we live in the Center of the World, and the rest are only its periphery, so they hate everything around and climb on us. So also our scientists and engineers have created superweapons for us and the Japanese are crying, the Chinese are wailing, the Anglo-Saxons are hysterical, and the Germans are grinding their teeth. Not to mention every little thing.
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 26 September 2020 19: 03 New
                        +8
                        Quote: hrych
                        Read Mackinder on the Heartland theory.

                        You better read Marx, maybe it will cleanse your brains a little bit.
                        Quote: hrych
                        if not a secret - which fields are yours?

                        Quote: hrych
                        From which you eat grain and bread.

                        Earlier, on these lands there was a collective farm that fed 4 small villages, there were schools, there were kindergartens, the collective farm kept them, the collective farm made roads, built houses for collective farmers, or the whole world built it, and the collective farm provided materials and equipment. The collective farm provided everyone with work, the population grew. Today these lands belong to a private owner, he grows grain on them and sells it to Turkey, and puts the money in his pocket. The kindergartens were closed, the school was left alone, half of the houses were abandoned. He employs 5 people from my village. And you tell me that this is our land? Are you talking to me about the Heartland theory, about foreign enemies? We have our own, home-grown enemies, it's time to wake up already.
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        these people are the state - they contain it

                        I fully support it. The state should be for the people who live in it, and not for a handful of officials and oligarchs who have neither a homeland nor a flag.
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 26 September 2020 19: 21 New
                        -9
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        We have enough of our own homegrown enemies

                        This is what you are. The collective farms did not feed anyone. Under Brezhnev (the most blessed times of Soviet power), wheat was bought for the gold of the party from ... the Americans. And now the Russian Federation is the leader in wheat export. I saw Soviet counters and now I see mountains of fruits, fatty chicken for 100 rubles, etc. Roads? And were there roads under the Soviets? Maybe in the republics of parasites, but in Russia the roads were sad. Tyrant set up roads and freeways, bridges and pipelines. Are you talking about Marx? This one who lived with Engels wassat Read it yourself. They taught me this muck at school, there is nothing wise there. And his predictions were not confirmed, and the theory of communism rested shamefully in Bose wassat Relentless history and time put everything in its place. Therefore, into the furnace of Marx.
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 26 September 2020 19: 52 New
                        +7
                        Quote: hrych
                        This is what you are.

                        Well, yes, we will not have any compromises.
                        Quote: hrych
                        Under Brezhnev (the most blessed times of Soviet power), wheat was purchased for the gold of the party from ... the Americans. And now the Russian Federation is the leader in wheat export.

                        I've heard this vomit before. Under Brezhnev (far from the most blissful times), they bought feed wheat for livestock feed. And not for gold, but for dollars. In Brezhnev's times, there were more than 40 million dairy cattle alone, today about 8, as in 1942, we buy milk, and we sell 4th grade wheat (feed), because there is no one to feed.
                        Quote: hrych
                        I saw Soviet counters and now I see mountains of fruits, fatty chickens for 100 rubles, etc.

                        And I saw Soviet counters and I remember the quality of Soviet products. There were no broiler chickens in the USSR, domestic crosses of broiler chickens were only being developed, for that there was an abundance of beef and pork, which, as you know, is better than chicken.
                        Quote: hrych
                        Roads? And were there roads under the Soviets?

                        Why do you think that the current government built them?
                        Quote: hrych
                        Maybe in the republics of parasites

                        So you are also a nationalist, my friend? And are the people ready to draw the people into interethnic conflicts, for the sake of the profits of our oligarchs?
                        Quote: hrych
                        They taught me this muck at school, there is nothing wise there.

                        If you didn’t have enough brains to understand something, you don’t need to make such far-reaching conclusions. Just write, I don’t understand, I don’t agree, maybe you’ll be smart.
                        Quote: hrych
                        Relentless history and time put everything in its place. Therefore, into the furnace of Marx.

                        The Paris commune lasted 70 days, the USSR for 70 years. Do you feel progress?
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 26 September 2020 20: 16 New
                        -9
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        If you didn't have enough brains to understand something,

                        It’s faster with you
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        The Paris commune lasted 70 days, the USSR for 70 years. Do you feel progress?

                        I feel it. wassat But Russia lasted a thousand years, and the Roman Empire one and a half. And what was that power? A bloody civil war, then a bloody collectivization, then a bloody war, a failure committed first on the conscience of the leadership, then the difficult post-war years, the arrival of Khrushchev, stagnation and perestroika. And what are you going to tell me that stagnation is not the best time. Famine in 1921-22, famine in 1932-33, famine in 1946-47. Are these blessed times? There is no need to equate the Russian Federation and the USSR, the population of the Russian Federation is two times less. But by dropping the parasites of the socialist camp, the export leaders also fed themselves, and all sorts of excuses about varieties are just a shameful attempt to justify themselves. The shelves themselves were empty, there were no unfortunate bananas, but they were feeding African, Latin American, Arab, European and Asian "comrades" who betrayed the Union and spat on it.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        So you are also a nationalist,

                        That the parasite republics did not like it? So the Baltic states are our enemies in the anti-Russian NATO, in the Ukraine, Russians are being oppressed, as were the refugees from the SA and Transcaucasia. And where are these republics now? How did they come about? We do not import milk from the Americans, but in Belarus, i.e. relatives and parts of the former Soviet Union. Wheat you say? Yes, we buy hard varieties, but in Kazakhstan this is also a former republic, and Tselina was plowed by our people, not local nomads. Such is the import wassat The best meat? And now how is pork worse than the Soviet one? We have self-sufficiency not only in poultry, but also in pork, and in beef we are reaching self-sufficiency now. What does a hundred varieties of sausages do not like on the counter? What additives are there? So now there is the main thing - the choice. Then the choice is the queue for lousy sausages. But most importantly, I repeat, history has given you a verdict. You will never come to power, and every year your rating approaches the liberals wassat towards the plinth. Therefore, there is no need for you to argue with me, history has pounded you.
                      5. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 28 September 2020 12: 12 New
                        -1
                        Quote: hrych
                        And what was that power

                        Russophobic - see the national composition of the party's governing bodies, Sov. authorities and Cheka / OGPU / NKVD - Jews, Caucasians, Balts and Poles ... request
                        Quote: hrych
                        who betrayed the Union and spat on it.

                        but they did not betray him - who would betray the cash cow ... bully
                        Quote: hrych
                        and this is also a former republic, and

                        to which the Cossack lands withdrew under the Bolsheviks ... request
                    2. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 28 September 2020 12: 08 New
                      0
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      there were more than 40 million dairy cattle alone, today about 8, as in 1942, we buy milk,

                      1) but milk yield has grown almost 3 times - do you need checkers or go?
                      2) We buy 20% milk and almost everything in Belarus ...
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      There were no broiler chickens in the USSR

                      Rave! I myself built a broiler factory in the construction brigade ... bully
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      for that there was an abundance of beef and pork, which, as you know, is better than chicken.

                      1) Have you ever been to Soviet stores? bully It looks like you are a schoolboy ... bully
                      2) Is pork healthier than chicken? bully Patients are always given chicken broth, not pork broth ... you are a banal and poorly educated pseudo-communist ... hi

                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Why do you think that the current government built them?

                      more paved roads were built in the Russian Federation than during the time of the RSFSR ...
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      So you are also a nationalist, my friend? AND

                      have you ever been to b. republics? where we are hated for the USSR?

                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Do you feel progress?

                      of course - see how the French live and we ...
                  2. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 28 September 2020 12: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: hrych
                    and there is nothing wise there.

                    I disagree with this - the theory is interesting, but not the only correct one, as was believed in the USSR ... request at the same time Russophobic, however, like Karl Marx ...
                    Quote: hrych
                    This is who lived with Engels

                    so they were Satanists ...
                2. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 28 September 2020 12: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  The collective farm provided everyone with work, the population grew.

                  and the people fled from the village, while the country bought up to 35 million tons of grain ... request
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  and puts the money in his pocket.

                  at the same time, he pays salaries to workers and taxes ... and in the USSR, our taxes and so on went to help different countries ... request
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  The kindergartens were closed, the school was left alone,

                  remember - who came up with the unpromising villages? request
              3. DrEng527
                DrEng527 28 September 2020 11: 57 New
                -1
                Quote: hrych
                People without subsoil and resources would not have pulled the Aerospace Forces, the nuclear fleet and ICBMs.

                for example, see how Holland or Singapore lives bully
                Quote: hrych
                But the Russians are trying to destroy.

                the Japanese, by the way, were bombed atomic request that before the destruction of the Russians, drunkenness and laziness kill them - see demography ...

                Quote: hrych
                Read Mackinder on the Heartland theory.

                do not read all sorts of nonsense ... bully
                Quote: hrych
                So also our scientists and engineers created superweapons for us

                right to you? bully
                Quote: hrych
                From which you eat grain and bread

                I buy bread, like everything else, for money ... request
              4. hrych
                hrych 28 September 2020 12: 28 New
                -1
                How do they live? How many nuclear submarines do they have, is there a videoconferencing system and a nuclear triad. No. How many Transsibs do they have, how many nuclear icebreakers do they have? If you can still talk with Holland, then Singapore has no sovereignty and the population is less than Moscow's by half, if not three. It is located in a convenient transit place and until then, until it crashes. About the Russian people - enemy propaganda and nonsense. Our people are among the four mononations of the Planet. First Han, then Hindus and Bengalis. The next Russians. The Japanese are behind us. Noooo, the northern Hindustans have an admixture of Mongoloids, and the south of the Dravids, that is, they even have a Negroid admixture. Bengalis have about the same, and Han people are not one people, because languages ​​are not even dialects of one, but linguists distinguish separate ones. It is clear with the Khans, there you can distinguish a tribe and it will be the most numerous, but neither the Hindustians, nor the Bengalis, given the mixed races, and more than two on a single monoethnos do not pull. Therefore, Russians are the second monoethnos on Earth. And if you take the language and genetics, then the Belarusian language and surzhik (Ukrainian language, not a fictional MOV), are only dialects of Russian. Well, given the common genetics, the Russians (Belarusians, Little Russians and Great Russians) are approaching 200 million.In the Russian Federation, Russians accounted for 81%, but there were almost 83% of Slavs in the Russian Federation, but this was before the accession of 2 million Crimean Slavs and almost 4 million newly minted citizens of the LDNR, plus half a million Pridnestrovians. Also, due to the decomposition of Ukraine, up to three million more, an influx of new citizens of Slavic-Russian nationality is expected in the Russian Federation in the near future. Those. the Slavic-Russian population of the Russian Federation will approach 90%. Well, the ten-millionth White Russia, in fact, legally with us a single state for a long time. It's just that their President himself slowed down the transition from de jure to de facto. Now everything has changed and the process is irreversible. Therefore, rumors about the extinction of the Russian people ... are very exaggerated wassat
              5. DrEng527
                DrEng527 28 September 2020 12: 35 New
                -1
                Quote: hrych
                How many nuclear submarines do they have, is there a videoconferencing system and a nuclear triad. No.

                is it an end in itself or a means? I will say this - unnecessary weapons kill people better than other people's bombs ... request
                Quote: hrych
                Located in a convenient transit location

                we have a lot of such places ... for example, the SMP ... but while they make money on it, people only spend money on ports, icebreakers, etc. And Mehilson doesn't even pay taxes on LNG ... request
                Quote: hrych
                And if you take the language and genetics, then the Belarusian language and surzhik (Ukrainian language, not a fictional MOV), are only dialects of Russian.

                however, they do not want to live with us ... request like Croats and Serbs ...
                Quote: hrych
                Therefore, rumors about the extinction of the Russian people ... are very exaggerated

                I think they are understated - look at the birth rate and the average age of life .. request
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 26 September 2020 19: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: hrych
        these goners

        This is your real attitude towards the people around you.
        1. hrych
          hrych 26 September 2020 19: 36 New
          -10 qualifying.
          Not to people, most of them all understand and support the Commander-in-Chief, but to those who whine and do not understand that a cruel world war is going on, and they did not even feel it. And that millions of lives are not thrown on the altar of Victory in this war, there is no constant companion of advice - hunger, a direct merit of the regime.
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 28 September 2020 12: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            and they don’t realize that a cruel world war is going on, and they didn’t even feel it.

            Seriously? see ruble exchange rate in 2010 and 2020 request and how much oligarchs have earned since 2014 - they even wanted to dispossess them, but they didn't want to ...
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 26 September 2020 15: 09 New
    -3
    Hmm? And from the outside it looks like moaning. Straight crying Yaroslavna of some kind.
  • seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 26 September 2020 17: 58 New
    -1
    The state has executors. And if they are not there or not enough? A specialist is not a seller, you cannot prepare it in six months. There are few personnel in factories. Everyone is trading.
  • venik
    venik 26 September 2020 12: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    And this is only in vertical PU.

    ========
    Yah? Vertically - they won't fit there! There PU - oblique! Although, by and large - it decisively changes NOTHING!
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    Quote: hrych
    Apart from torpedoes and mines, all types of calibers, from missile-torpedoes, anti-ship missiles to the strategic ZM-14, can be used from the same TA.

    =========
    You can ..... Only sense - NO !!! In the presence of 72 (!) PU - it is better to form the stock for the TA with torpedoes and imitators! So it will be better!
    1. hrych
      hrych 26 September 2020 13: 10 New
      -4
      Vertical does not mean perpendicular wassat
      There is such a concept - hypothetically. Depending on the tasks assigned, it may be necessary to strike from 72 to 100 missiles. The ammunition load will be formed for this task. And if you need to hit with, say, 80 missiles, does it make sense to drive another carrier? Therefore, your categoricalness is not true.
      1. venik
        venik 26 September 2020 13: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: hrych
        Vertical does not mean perpendicular

        =======
        belay Yah! But I was taught from childhood that "vertical" is VERTICAL, and "oblique" means INCLINED (to "perpendicular"!) ...... Probably - it was taught incorrectly? It turns out - and the TA on the submarine - also "vertical"? belay (They're not "perpendicular"!) wassat
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        Quote: hrych
        Depending on the tasks assigned, it may be necessary to strike from 72 to 100 missiles.

        =======
        Well, NAME a specific task, where 72 missiles will be LOW, and 100 - AT THE MOST TIME!
        No, I certainly understand: the more - the better! But it is not necessary to reach the ABSURD! hi
        1. hrych
          hrych 26 September 2020 14: 21 New
          -4
          Yes, full of you. I agree that inclined drinks A hundred is a HYPOTHETICAL opportunity. In practice, I repeat that it may be necessary to deliver more than 72 missile strikes. How the Americans attacked Syria with Tomahawks and other types of CD. 103 rockets were fired. The targets of the attack were chosen naturally. Those. Antey alone is capable of solving such a problem, in theory, hypothetically. 28 is a stock of missiles or torpedoes for a TA. But to strike at 80 coastal targets such as Israel. wassat It is enough to release 72 from the inclined ones, and 8 to release from the TA. Another 20 samples of different nomenclature, i.e. torpedoes, missile-torpedoes and anti-ship missiles will remain in stock, for example, for the defense of the boat. And of course, no one will load 100 ZM-14 missiles in order to make it impossible to hit the enemy with anti-ship missiles, a missile-torpedo Waterfall or a Physicist on a schizo. But there is such a hypothetical possibility.
  • rudolff
    rudolff 26 September 2020 14: 01 New
    +8
    The standard CIUS does not allow using the Caliber nomenclature from TA. It is necessary to integrate an appropriate firing complex on the ship, and this is a lot of money. Considering that all our modernization plans are mercilessly castrated, we can assume with a high degree of probability that there will be no Calibers in the first compartment. And the replacement of Granites with other products is questionable. Until now, all medium repairs with modernization were carried out in the homeless version and were reduced to VTG.
    1. hrych
      hrych 26 September 2020 14: 37 New
      -9
      Quote: rudolff
      The standard CIUS does not allow using the Caliber nomenclature from TA.

      An extremely controversial statement. The caliber nomenclature was created for the standard TA 533. That is why even Varshavyanka can handle it. What kind of BIUS is there, if now it is enough to enter the coordinates of the target and according to GLONASS the beauty herself will fly to the destination. The device is like a tablet, that's the whole BIUS wassat The grenade was a long time ago and no younger than the Tomahawk, but GLONASS was not deployed, as it was deployed so unfortunate watchdogs and diesel men hit targets in Syria.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 26 September 2020 15: 00 New
        +9
        This is not a controversial statement, but an ordinary fact. I won't get into the technical side of the issue, Saturday laziness overwhelmed. Can Klimov appear or a submariner, they will explain. Just a reminder. We have not a single Varshavyanka / Halibut, well, except for the Black Sea six (the Pacific one will be added), the RK Caliber is not able to use it. Even after full-fledged medium repairs with modernization. But the Indian ones who have undergone repairs at our own enterprises can. Why? They just didn’t skimp on the integration of firing complexes (racks, consoles) on their ships, and we were greedy. With nuclear submarines, the same story.
        1. hrych
          hrych 26 September 2020 15: 45 New
          -5
          The caliber is just entering service, the Black Sea Fleet is fighting in Syria, and therefore a priority. Moreover, it was there that the first combat use of the Caliber can be regarded as a test stage, with subsequent refinement. Or not? Not everyone will get to the Pacific Fleet at once laughing He's not standing naked. And Anthea's Granites are quite at the level and you need to spend them. Do not throw away wassat
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 26 September 2020 15: 59 New
            +9
            We delivered Varshavyanka to the Chinese even when we already supplied them with Caliber. The Indians have also modernized all their own for a long time. And we "just get up"! If a man has such a long reaction, all the girls will scatter!
            1. hrych
              hrych 26 September 2020 16: 14 New
              -4
              Export Calibers are unlikely to be equipped with the ability to work with the military GLONASS channel, and even more so to receive target coordinates from Liana, etc. And the range of the ZM-14E is no more than 300 km. Non-proliferation obligations however.
          2. K298rtm
            K298rtm 26 September 2020 23: 08 New
            0
            I am ashamed to ask: And for whom are you planning to spend Granites?
            1. hrych
              hrych 27 September 2020 05: 09 New
              -1
              For starters, there are test launches. Which lately are often in the tape. Moreover, they began to train him for coastal targets. This is a very powerful rocket and, unlike the compact Onyx, is capable of carrying a half-megaton charge. Submariners do not have a more powerful anti-ship missile system. Working it out for coastal targets suggests that it is possible to prepare for Syria first, because there we are at war. If you don't know. Also, Anteev's translation does not mean that everyone got rid of the Granites. A container with three Onyxes or Calibers or Zircons will be inserted into PU Granite. Therefore, it is logical that Antey will carry in peacetime, partly the most powerful Granite, at the same time with Onyx, Caliber and Zircon. The caliber gives a huge line of attack of thousands of kilometers and is itself universal, Onyx gives a smaller line, but a supersonic, poorly intercepted missile. Zircon gives an absolute advantage, and Granite is a powerful charge. Versatility and unification of striking means. If Ash for this is created initially, then Antey receives a new specialization. Previously, he was chased for the AUG, now he will be able to pound on the coast, attack small fleet formations, because hitting a corvette or a small rocket ship with a huge Granite was nonsense. Now everything will be for this.
      2. Grits
        Grits 26 September 2020 15: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: hrych
        The device is like a tablet, that's the whole BIUS

        Hardly. Most likely this device is several cabinets with cassettes. Plus a control panel in the warhead, plus a bunch of junction boxes, electrical boxes, sensors and hundreds of meters of cables.
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 26 September 2020 16: 05 New
          +6
          Exactly! And for all this, you still need to find a place and at least somehow sideways to the Omnibus (or whatever it has now) attach. And this is all denyuzhki! True, it would be possible to carry out an "adult" modernization and install a modern universal shooting complex, but ... this is not our method!
          1. Grits
            Grits 28 September 2020 14: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: rudolff
            And for all this you still need to find a place and at least somehow sideways to the Omnibus

            This I just about my "Corundum" can remember. The Omnibus is even cooler.
        2. venik
          venik 26 September 2020 20: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Gritsa
          and hundreds of meters of cables.

          ======
          good And if they are not provided there? Oooh! A fair piece of "cable management" will have to be changed! At least - between the torpedo compartment and the command post! drinks
      3. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 26 September 2020 21: 58 New
        +2
        Do you understand that making a hole in 533mm is not enough to use a weapon? to fill the targets in the weapon need BIUS, connectors, operators, target coordination ... 533mm we have with 50x .. ie. in your opinion, can you put the Caliber in a boat of release 50x? if yes, I no longer discuss with you ..
        1. hrych
          hrych 27 September 2020 05: 28 New
          -2
          I'm just sad from you. BIUS say irresistible. We got used to the huge cabinets of the Soviet era and can't move in, that more advanced computers have appeared. Now I will close my mouth a little about BIUS, namely the mobile, coastal complex Bastion, which is the carrier of the same Onyx anti-ship missile system. There BIUS - the size of a suitcase at the operator next to the driver. Nothing can fit in the car's cabin, but you have little space in the huge diesel engine. Okay, now the INF is not working, but why? So there is a cruise missile in the nomenclature of the mobile Iskander ... so reminiscent of the Caliber. The Amerians referred to her. What's the BIUS?
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 27 September 2020 14: 46 New
            +3
            A Bius Bastion the size of a suitcase? And the vehicles of the combat control (ASBU) of the PBRK, providing combat duty (MOBD), where did they go? For a division of four self-propelled launchers there are several more support and control vehicles.
            1. hrych
              hrych 27 September 2020 18: 31 New
              0
              Quote: rudolff
              PBRK, providing combat duty (MOBD) where to go?

              Everything is correct, but if the mobile launcher remotely receives all the coded information from the control machine, which also works with the command centers of the fleet, what a devil cannot Varshavyanka get these codes from the coastal control centers directly into her "suitcase" laughing And why do you forget about the Pomegranate. Since the time of perestroika, he has been a member of the Shchuk-B TA nomenclature. Well, he didn’t have a job with GLONASS, so he worked by inertia and by checking with the relief. A flight task was introduced with a special connector and forward. Why Caliber (his more developed son) suddenly demanded too much, and even taking into account the reduction in the size of all equipment with the transition to Altayev and other processes.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 11 New
    -2
    If this "Antaeus" is also re-equipped with "Onyx" - "Zircon" in the process of repair, it will be great.
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 26 September 2020 14: 48 New
      +5
      And are there other Antei who have already re-armed on Onyx, Zircons?
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 26 September 2020 14: 58 New
        +1
        So I want to start with this
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 26 September 2020 19: 52 New
    +2
    You groaning, Hrych, in what words did you see? only doubt about the deadline .. and reasonable .. or the deadline is not overdue almost everywhere? great news that you promised to do everything? or the great news that you did it .. you don't feel the difference at all? I only FOR our boats to be bigger and faster, but as a man, I am used to looking at things, and not at words, do you have a different way?
    1. hrych
      hrych 27 September 2020 05: 19 New
      -1
      Man? Business? And what, nothing is being done? The stocks are loaded. Several new Ash trees are being completed. Firstly, the Antaeus are simply irrelevant and outdated morally. The task of the assassins of the Aircraft Carriers is solved by other means. Tracking them in real time came from new systems. And the fact that, thanks to modernization, their life is extended with the transition to new shock systems, you just need to rejoice.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 28 September 2020 08: 44 New
        0
        your answer is strange .. I initially said that you shouldn't rejoice at the words and promises of some driver, but you should be happy - when the boats are put into operation .. and you answer as if I were shouting everything was lost, there would be no boats .. incoherent dialogue out, no? Are the Antaeus morally outdated? always wondering - how can you become obsolete? physically, software, hardware, I understand .. but morally, how is it? tired of watching them at the pier chtoli?
        1. hrych
          hrych 28 September 2020 10: 53 New
          +1
          Morally, this is when the tasks for which the boat was designed and built are not relevant at the moment. It was built as an aircraft carrier killer and its task was to pursue the AUG in the world's oceans. The Legend satellite system gave the coordinates of the AUG with a two-hour delay. Antey, receiving this data, corrected the course and followed the target, trying to stay at the range of Granite's work. 24 Granit missiles were also designed taking into account the size of the target, the combat strength of the AUG, and it was also calculated that it was precisely with such a number of air defense missiles that the AUG could not cope unambiguously. That's the whole moral. Now there are real-time tracking tools, for example, ZGRLS, and the satellite Liana gives a delay of 15 minutes. That allows the use of long-range missiles on the target and such a dangerous and costly business. how the pursuit of a goal has lost all meaning. Therefore, Antey was left out of work. But with the advent of CalibroOniksoZircon, he had a meaning in life. For a multipurpose like Shuka-B, it was not very suitable, it is huge, noisier, clumsy "baton". In a duel, the multipurpose was inferior. But now the Calibers striking thousands of kilometers away, the supersonic Onyxes striking a little closer, and the superweapon - the hypersonic Zircons, striking up to 500 km, will make it possible not to enter the PLO zone at all. But as a nuclear submarine, it is capable of plowing the ocean at any range, hitting cities, hitting bases and ship clusters, including small ships, etc. Attack the same AUG, but not chase it, but reach it with a long hand. Instead of 24 powerful and extremely non-universal Granites. A whole range of versatile weapons from missile torpedoes to strategic ones. And more than 72 pieces, because there are 28 more places of a wide range for TA. Here is a new morality.
  • alexmach
    alexmach 26 September 2020 10: 52 New
    +4
    What most likely means a reduction in the modernization program.
  • K298rtm
    K298rtm 26 September 2020 23: 11 New
    0
    In my humble opinion, the quality of modernization is more important here, not timing.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 26 September 2020 09: 43 New
    +5
    And then - bread, in the face of a catastrophic shortage of nuclear submarines. Thanks to grandfather Yeltsin and his eltsenyats, for our happy Armed Forces and the Navy, for factories and steamers.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 26 September 2020 10: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Al_lexx
      Thanks to grandfather Yeltsin

      did I miss something? how did Yeltsin ruin the underwater lot of the Russian Navy? .... take the statistics of commissioning and writing off and you may be surprised
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci 26 September 2020 10: 44 New
        +3
        The answers can be found in the book "Sharks from Steel" by Eduard Ovechkin.
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 26 September 2020 10: 45 New
          -2
          Quote: da Vinci
          The answers can be found

          What are the answers?
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 26 September 2020 12: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Al_lexx
      Thanks to grandfather Yeltsin and his eltsenets, for our happy Armed Forces and the Navy, for the factories and for the ships.

      Did the Yeltsinites go somewhere? They are still in power and feel great.
  • Bat039
    Bat039 26 September 2020 11: 15 New
    +1
    Antey-type nuclear submarine is not small. If you can repair them on Zvezda, it makes sense to think about repairing the Orlan-class cruiser stuck in the Far East while waiting for repair
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 26 September 2020 12: 04 New
      +1
      There is no point in doing Lazarev. Alas.
      You need a lot of money, the cost of owning such a ship is high, and the INF Treaty is gone.
      Here, even with Peter, it is not clear what will happen - according to rumors, the volume of modernization is being reduced.
    2. Lord
      Lord 26 September 2020 12: 17 New
      +2
      he is running to such a state that he is already more dead than alive
  • musorg
    musorg 26 September 2020 12: 01 New
    +5
    You don't have to look that far. Apparently the writer has nothing more to write. And plans are plans. In 2019, they were also, but they are being rented only now. And this year, nothing.
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 26 September 2020 13: 33 New
    +2
    In this case, the submarine can once again be renamed. The thing is that the "Varshavyanka" is being built at the "Admiralty Shipyards" for the Pacific Fleet, called "Magadan".

    So it is like India leasing)) Therefore, it will be renamed. And the terms of modernization are therefore gone to the left
  • rudolff
    rudolff 26 September 2020 13: 51 New
    +8
    "Recall that the Irkutsk nuclear submarine was put into reserve in 1997, awaiting repair, and in November 2001, the submarine was transferred to Bolshoi Kamen at the Zvezda shipyard.
    "Under favorable circumstances, the expected return date for Irkutsk is 2023."
    A quarter of a century awaiting renovation and renovation. And this is "under favorable circumstances"! Such "good" news makes you want to get drunk and swear until the morning ...
  • mik193
    mik193 27 September 2020 15: 53 New
    0
    Oh, our industry! Woe to us!
    Well, probably the main remedy is to send effective managers to Siberia to remove snow (all) in columns.