The Russian government changed the order of early dismissal from the army

At the meeting of the Government of the Russian Federation, which took place on September 23, a number of important government decisions were adopted. One of them was devoted to amendments to Articles 35 and 37 of the RF Law "On conscription and military service."

This was reported on the official government website.

The bill speaks of increasing the number of grounds for early dismissal from the ranks of the Armed Forces. In this case, a soldier will be obliged to reimburse the state for his training. In addition, an additional provision was included in the law, according to which the procedure and conditions for sending a serviceman on a business trip will be determined by the head of the executive authority or the state authority exercising leadership at the federal level, if it provides for military service.

In addition to the adoption of this bill, the government at a meeting held on Wednesday adopted 20 other decisions. In particular, the Federal Law on Service in the Compulsory Enforcement Bodies of the Russian Federation was approved and the corresponding amendments were made to legislative acts. These provisions establish the competence of individual law enforcement agencies in the preliminary investigation process.

Comments

[Respect]

The bill speaks of increasing the number of grounds for early dismissal from the Armed Forces.

I don't like all this, especially with the threats towards Russia and the concentration of NATO military units on the Russian border.
Moles have been in the General Staff since the 80s and 90s ..
No one will reimburse anything, but the costs are huge for the same girls who began to be admitted to military schools Ugh, damn .. Eh Mother Russia, we love to step on a rake, and then scratch the back of our heads .. Who is to blame and what to do?

[ancient]

Quote: Respekt

I don't like it all

Me too .. since all the "whistle" is pushed through because of this - a quote: ...... "In this case, a soldier will be obliged to reimburse the state for his training."

[Respect]

Quote: ancient

Quote: Respekt

I don't like it all

Me too .. since all the "whistle" is pushed through because of this - a quote: ...... "In this case, a soldier will be obliged to reimburse the state for his training."

Yes, they will reimburse .. It was already with directions .. I don’t remember that someone reimbursed the state for something. (Thieves used it) And those who really wanted to study, but there was no money .. left with nothing and the state without professionals who would benefit the state .. That's how we live!

[Prisoner]

What? They taught his darling, fed him, hoped that he would defend his homeland, and he became a stripper ?! Not in order! Whirl, slaughter, means I am FOR, because no shit!

[2 Level Advisor]

I think everything is more banal .. now the Ministry of Defense has to file a lawsuit in order to recover money from the lieutenant who decided to quit, otherwise it will be possible to simply pay according to the law, without courts .. so it's not about moles, enemies and girls .. ...

[Senka naughty]

Exactly

[Lopatov]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

now the Ministry of Defense has to file a lawsuit in order to recover money from the lieutenant who decided to quit

Is there such a judicial practice in general? Have you ever given one?

[2 Level Advisor]

of course there is a massive one now

[Lopatov]

I read exclusively about the fact that they "filed a lawsuit." And I have never met that "the court decided to pay."
That's why I ask.
When he served himself, it was also theoretically possible to recover through the courts. But none of those who quit paid.

Moreover, I knew two people who quit through court for non-compliance by the state.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Spade

When he served himself, it was also theoretically possible to recover through the courts. But none of those who quit paid.

there they found contradictions with the contract, such as not timely payment of something, reduction of payment, not issuing anything from clothing and food allowance, etc. (it was a long time ago), wait, this big loophole is practically closed (military lawyers appeared in the army and they quickly learn from other people's (not their own, they fire for their own) mistakes).

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: PSih2097

Quote: Spade

When he served himself, it was also theoretically possible to recover through the courts. But none of those who quit paid.

there they found contradictions with the contract, such as not timely payment of something, reduction of payment, not issuing anything from clothing and food allowance, etc. (it was a long time ago), wait, this big loophole is practically closed (military lawyers appeared in the army and they quickly learn from other people's (not their own, they fire for their own) mistakes).

Yes, fullness to you. The state itself has given an excuse that can be used for early dismissal when it pleases, simply on the basis that it does not fulfill its guarantees for pension provision for military personnel, which are spelled out in the LAW, but are curtailed by the Government Decree, which established a reduction factor. Theoretically and logically, the Law is higher than the Resolution !!! The contract is based on mutual obligations and guarantees, but since 2012 the state has not fulfilled its guarantees (which is easy to prove legally), and therefore the second party can use this as a violation of the terms of the contract by the state even if it is not spelled out in the contract, but provided in the LAW. If a serviceman (or another employee equivalent to this status) will perform a combat mission by 0,54% (did not finish off the enemy, did not finish off the criminal, did not put out the fire) and stomp into the location, then the state will clearly not like this, then the question arises - Why a soldier must fulfill the terms of the contract 100%, if the state fulfills its guarantees for his pension provision by 0,54%? It would not hurt the government to sort out its papers and resolutions, otherwise it no longer remembers everything that it has composed in recent years in order to reduce budget expenditures, and where it would not be worth doing.

[akarfoxhound]

It was, even at the end of the 90s, I saw it, the leytechs fleeing through the court for compensation were turned.

[iouris]

Quote: Respekt

and then scratch your head .. Who is to blame and what to do?

There is no need to scratch anything: no one is to blame - it is itself. What did you do? And they did nothing.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Respekt

I don't like all this, especially with the threats towards Russia and the concentration of NATO military units on the Russian border.

They threatened to do this even under Yeltsin. That is, the contract "training time plus five years", if five has not served, money for training.
And it seems like they even tried to do this through the courts. I mean, sue the retired lieutenants. But apparently it didn't work out.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spade

And it seems like they even tried to do this through the courts. I mean, sue the retired lieutenants. But apparently it didn't work out.

Because even a bad lawyer can always find moments of non-compliance with the terms of the contract on the part of the MO. And the Ministry of Defense understands this, therefore, they did not run into especially with the courts.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Respekt

I don't like all this, especially with the threats towards Russia and the concentration of NATO military units on the Russian border.

They threatened to do this even under Yeltsin. That is, the contract "training time plus five years", if five has not served, money for training.
And it seems like they even tried to do this through the courts. I mean, sue the retired lieutenants. But apparently it didn't work out.

Apparently it didn't work out. And it would be fair. And "the training time plus five years" (or three?) Was, if I'm not mistaken, back in Soviet times. We have one lieutenant from OBATO staggered around the smoking rooms like a ghost - he agreed to an "official inconsistency", if only he was fired ahead of schedule - he was waiting for an order.

My friend at the very beginning of Yeltsin's reign graduated from the Orenburg VZRKU, by the time he graduated (!) He realized that he categorically did not want to serve in the troops. I decided to graduate from college not with a diploma, but with a certificate, just not to be a lieutenant. He was lucky that by that time he had managed to marry the daughter of some fire chief - he took him to the lieutenant position as an inspector. And for a fig 4 years in boots he lost and the state money wasted? Would go to the army, serve as it should, and be free.

Dembel will no longer be drafted into the army. (from)

I was going to the Polytechnic Institute. They would have taken, like everyone else, into the army after the first year, served his duty and was free. No, damn it, I wanted to go to Orenburg ...

[Cowbra]

Well, yes, instead of being interested in the younger, the younger should. Guys. and it never occurred to anyone that the Motherland would not forget us. but * uh remember - we have always been, and will be. In the war. And this ...

[Revival]

Right now the admin will preset you, for a veiled statement, they erased me for less comment, better reformulate it quickly

[Lopatov]

Quote: Cowbra

Well, yes, instead of being interested in the younger, the younger should. Guys. and it never occurred to anyone that the Motherland would not forget us. but * uh remember - we have always been, and will be. In the war. And this ...

He was interested, he signed a contract. Himself.
Should you be interested in fulfilling this contract?

[Cowbra]

Well, can you really tell me about the dismissals, well, even with Nakhimoskom Suvoovskogo? according to statistics, just do not know. by acquaintances - quite

[Lopatov]

Quote: Cowbra

Well, can you really tell me about the dismissals, well, even with Nakhimoskom Suvoovskogo?

I started serving as a lieutenant in 1998, so I know perfectly well how many people were fired.

[sergo1914]

What for to go to the army that would leave it ahead of schedule? Go to the national economy.

[Cowbra]

Education is very non-acidic. and this is only one plus, there are many

[Simon schempp]

What for to go to the army that would leave it ahead of schedule?

Propaganda, sir.
Young cadets are led to Hollywood videos from the Ministry of Defense about the best army in the world. They are led to sweet speeches about retirement at 40, about prestige, about stability and so on.
And upon arrival at the troops, they see not what they expected.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Simon Schempp

What for to go to the army that would leave it ahead of schedule?

Propaganda, sir.
Young cadets are led to Hollywood videos from the Ministry of Defense about the best army in the world. They are led to sweet speeches about retirement at 40, about prestige, about stability and so on.
And upon arrival at the troops, they see not what they expected.

It always seemed to me that officers were a caste. Grandfathers, fathers, children, grandchildren. And they know the army from the inside from the cradle. Well, the videos ... You need to take the head out of the TV.

[sergo1914]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Simon Schempp

What for to go to the army that would leave it ahead of schedule?

Propaganda, sir.
Young cadets are led to Hollywood videos from the Ministry of Defense about the best army in the world. They are led to sweet speeches about retirement at 40, about prestige, about stability and so on.
And upon arrival at the troops, they see not what they expected.

It always seemed to me that officers were a caste. Grandfathers, fathers, children, grandchildren. And they know the army from the inside from the cradle. Well, the videos ... You need to take the head out of the TV.

I've always asked myself a question. What kind of rot is minus? But these are the pillars of VO. It's funny. Make the cons visible. Everyone will understand who the scum is.

[not main]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Simon Schempp

What for to go to the army that would leave it ahead of schedule?

Propaganda, sir.
Young cadets are led to Hollywood videos from the Ministry of Defense about the best army in the world. They are led to sweet speeches about retirement at 40, about prestige, about stability and so on.
And upon arrival at the troops, they see not what they expected.

It always seemed to me that officers were a caste. Grandfathers, fathers, children, grandchildren. And they know the army from the inside from the cradle. Well, the videos ... You need to take the head out of the TV.

I've always asked myself a question. What kind of rot is minus? But these are the pillars of VO. It's funny. Make the cons visible. Everyone will understand who the scum is.

I wanted to answer, but you were ahead of me ... for a long time! And the bottom line is that there are a lot of characters on VO who have not spent a day in the army, they judge about the capabilities of weapons from the newspapers, but express their "own" opinion in the form of "minuses". Since they cannot really and reasonably argue! And by the way, when I signed up for VO it was a long time ago! Then there was an option to hover the cursor over the plus or minus and you are shown a list of who put the plus and those who put the minus! For information. I have my own rank, but I don't need a virtual one.

[sergo1914]

Quote: non-primary

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Simon Schempp

What for to go to the army that would leave it ahead of schedule?

Propaganda, sir.
Young cadets are led to Hollywood videos from the Ministry of Defense about the best army in the world. They are led to sweet speeches about retirement at 40, about prestige, about stability and so on.
And upon arrival at the troops, they see not what they expected.

It always seemed to me that officers were a caste. Grandfathers, fathers, children, grandchildren. And they know the army from the inside from the cradle. Well, the videos ... You need to take the head out of the TV.

I've always asked myself a question. What kind of rot is minus? But these are the pillars of VO. It's funny. Make the cons visible. Everyone will understand who the scum is.

I wanted to answer, but you were ahead of me ... for a long time! And the bottom line is that there are a lot of characters on VO who have not spent a day in the army, they judge about the capabilities of weapons from the newspapers, but express their "own" opinion in the form of "minuses". Since they cannot really and reasonably argue! And by the way, when I signed up for VO it was a long time ago! Then there was an option to hover the cursor over the plus or minus and you are shown a list of who put the plus and those who put the minus! For information. I have my own rank, but I don't need a virtual one.

They have "orders" here. Morons, damn it. It's funny.

[not main]

Quote: sergo1914

They have "orders" here. Morons, damn it. It's funny.

At the expense of "funny", so to be honest, it's not funny! And at the expense of the rest, stupid people agree! But adaptable! More precisely, PARASITES!

[sergo1914]

Quote: non-primary

Quote: sergo1914

They have "orders" here. Morons, damn it. It's funny.

At the expense of "funny", so to be honest, it's not funny! And at the expense of the rest, stupid people agree! But adaptable! More precisely, PARASITES!

For this, they usually minus me ... Utyrki ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: Simon Schempp

What for to go to the army that would leave it ahead of schedule?

Propaganda, sir.
Young cadets are led to Hollywood videos from the Ministry of Defense about the best army in the world. They are led to sweet speeches about retirement at 40, about prestige, about stability and so on.
And upon arrival at the troops, they see not what they expected.

Therefore, I always believed that VVUZ should be accepted only after an urgent one and after a Suvorov one. Then, after graduation, no one will see anything "new" among the troops.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Simon Schempp

Propaganda, sir.

Sofa, sir.
And it has nothing to do with real life.

[ancient]

Quote: sergo1914

Go to the national economy.

And what would go to the national economy, and not .... "peddlers" do not need education?
Do you know the prices for faculties in universities?
And in military VUE'y for the time being free.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ancient

And in military VUE'y for the time being free.

"Free" is "at the expense of the state." Standard practice for targeted training: the company pays for your education, but in return you must either work out or return the cost of training.
Nowadays, even cheese in a mousetrap is not free.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: ancient

And in military VUE'y for the time being free.

"Free" is "at the expense of the state." Standard practice for targeted training: the company pays for your education, but in return you must either work out or return the cost of training.
Nowadays, even cheese in a mousetrap is not free.

About that and speech. Unlearned for free and decided to jump off. Pay. There is no need to moan and cry. But such "defenders of the Fatherland" strain.

[sergo1914]

Quote: ancient

Quote: sergo1914

Go to the national economy.

And what would go to the national economy, and not .... "peddlers" do not need education?
Do you know the prices for faculties in universities?
And in military VUE'y for the time being free.

Earn? No?

[Lopatov]

Quote: sergo1914

What for to go to the army that would leave it ahead of schedule? Go to the national economy.

Higher education at the expense of the state. Completely, including housing, food, clothing ...

[sergo1914]

Quote: Spade

Quote: sergo1914

What for to go to the army that would leave it ahead of schedule? Go to the national economy.

Higher education at the expense of the state. Completely, including housing, food, clothing ...

AND? What's next? Cooking at the expense of the state of rogues?

[Lopatov]

Quote: sergo1914

AND? What's next? Cooking at the expense of the state of rogues?

What question did you ask?
That's right, "why study if you don't want to serve." I answered you

[sergo1914]

Quote: Spade

Quote: sergo1914

AND? What's next? Cooking at the expense of the state of rogues?

What question did you ask?
That's right, "why study if you don't want to serve." I answered you

Well, we have MGU, MGIMO, Neftegaz. Racing on FSB helics. Well, Vovka's chicks ... you know?

[Lopatov]

Quote: sergo1914

Well, we have MSU, MGIMO, Neftegaz

It's not all that free.
Still, you have to feed and dress yourself.

[maktub]

This is all done to make it easier to "tilt" young officers and "refuseniks". "Soldier" returns

[mark2]

And rightly so. He studied at a military school, serve at least as much. I think this is fair. Debt good turn deserves another. The state, i.e. all taxpayers paid for the training of the cadet, so let him work out serving the Motherland. And if you quit, pay with money. At least immediately, at least in installments. The same, I think, should be introduced for civilian specialties. And then universities are working to supply a mountain of specialists who needed a diploma, because today it is fashionable.

[maktub]

Well, we don't "idealize" the army, right? A hypothetical situation, you fly with a burning gaze full of bright dreams, an excellent student of combat and political training, instead of a combat unit you find yourself at a "point" in the taiga, where one and a half soldiers, a tyrant commander and a female sex for a hundred kilometers is not observed, I generally keep quiet about living conditions. How soon will you lose your desire to serve? !!

[Lopatov]

Quote: maktub

instead of a warhead, you find yourself at a "point" in the taiga, where one and a half soldiers, the commander is a tyrant and the female sex is not observed for a hundred kilometers, I generally keep quiet about living conditions. How soon will you lose your desire to serve ?!

In five years, for God's sake.
The contract is fulfilling and may be free.

[mark2]

Dear, this is childish talk. Each future leech takes an oath, which contains the following words, "The soldier must endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service." You shouldn't consider military service as a way to make money. A soldier does not receive a salary, but a salary. Salary is in civilian life. If you want to live differently, don't stick your nose in the army. Nobody forcibly drove the cadets to the cadets, And no one says that defending the Motherland is easy and simple. If you decide to become a military man, be prepared that you will find yourself in a place where Makar does not graze calves.

you get to the "point" in the taiga, where one and a half soldiers, the commander is a tyrant and the female sex is not observed for a hundred kilometers

So what? Yes, you might. But the taiga with mosquitoes and without the female sex, the same must be protected. This is also the Motherland, your country. After college, he served a guaranteed contract, on the return of the debt for training and education, and is free as a snot in flight.

[not main]

Quote: maktub

Well, we don't "idealize" the army, right? A hypothetical situation, you fly with a burning gaze full of bright dreams, an excellent student of combat and political training, instead of a combat unit you find yourself at a "point" in the taiga, where one and a half soldiers, a tyrant commander and a female sex for a hundred kilometers is not observed, I generally keep quiet about living conditions. How soon will you lose your desire to serve? !!

It depends on who! I didn’t lose it, but judging by the comments, you didn’t even get up!

[maktub]

I put both on the sun and on your comment, and "worked" in another department

[whatis love]

And nothing that the student himself, his relatives, etc. pay indirectly for education (through taxes)? There is no state money, there is money from the people. The state is only an accountant. -Nothing? You wanted to do this with your child? And if there are two people who love, and they are sent to different cities? Forgive of course, but people like you, only cause contempt, because in fact, you offer serfdom to return

[mark2]

A Nothing. If you put the question from this position, then calculate what is the share of taxes of a student and his parents in the cost of his education. Zero point tenths. so it’s not necessary about "And nothing, that for education indirectly (through taxes) pay the student himself, his relatives, etc.?"

[whatis love]

Even so, other problems remain. Who will guarantee that the graduate will have an apartment, a good salary, etc.? Capitalism right now, if you forgot

[mark2]

You are correct, you say. We have capitalism today. and can guarantee a graduate an apartment: if a soldier - then length of service and a certificate that is given in 10 years, it seems; for a civilian, only his selfless labor for a salary and a mortgage. Such is capitalism. Socialism and free gifts ended 29 years ago.

[ved_med12]

"The bill speaks of increasing the number of grounds for early dismissal from the Armed Forces. At the same time, a soldier will be obliged to reimburse the state for his training."
But what about the termination of the contract for medical reasons ... Or others stipulated by Russian law?

[Senka naughty]

Quote: ved_med12

But what about the termination of the contract for medical reasons ... Or others stipulated by Russian law?

http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_18260/d8ba8171f6e944b1dc563df7d03c02836a574238/#dst100690

[ved_med12]

Thanks! They were interested in just "family circumstances" ...
Only the clause "In this case, the soldier will be obliged to reimburse the state's expenses for his training." all the same, it is not completely clear.

[Senka naughty]

Quote: ved_med12

Only the clause "In this case, the soldier will be obliged to reimburse the state's expenses for his training." all the same, it is not completely clear.

Everything is there, you just need to climb the footnotes, honey. non-compliance is left on dismissal and rights and benefits.
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_37341/3d0cac60971a511280cbba229d9b6329c07731f7/#dst100011
Something is here, but there are no detailed explanations on this site, just laconic formulations.

[cosmospetrovich]

Hmm ... Why does this only apply to the military? For example, I learned to be a doctor (engineer, builder ...) and did not go to work in my specialty. The state has also invested a lot of money in you, but no one says what should be returned.

[ved_med12]

The most interesting thing, just another ... We unlearned "on a budget", and went straight to work in a paid clinic !!!

[Radical]

Quote: sergo1914

What for to go to the army that would leave it ahead of schedule? Go to the national economy.

And what "national economy" is meant - private security companies with two million guards? There is no other in Russia.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Radikal

And what "national economy" is meant - private security companies with two million guards? lol There is no other in Russia

What are you guarding?

[Radical]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Radikal

And what "national economy" is meant - private security companies with two million guards? lol There is no other in Russia

What are you guarding?

I've never been a security guard. And you?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Radikal

I've never been a security guard

That is, parasitizing? Are you living on the money of your wife who guards?
After all

Quote: Radikal

There is no other in Russia.

[Radical]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Radikal

I've never been a security guard

That is, parasitizing? Are you living on the money of your wife who guards?
After all

Quote: Radikal

There is no other in Russia.

Retired for a long time. It's all right? An inquisitive pepper, why don't you answer questions yourself, or do you like the role of Yakubovich?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Radikal

Retired long ago

Pension of a private security company? And all the relatives are also guarding?
After all

Quote: Radikal

There is no other in Russia.

[Tneburashka]

Serfdom will begin with the army

[And why do you need]

The right decision. I've always been interested in the question, the uniform and the ombudsman are issued for a certain period. Does it include wearing in a non-military unit?

[Boris NVVPOU]

I hope everyone understands what the Bill is? There must be a reason why it is accepted! Here are the reasons and need to understand. Why are officers and contractors being dismissed from power structures? And after finding out the reason and making simple (but difficult for management) decisions, it becomes clear that this law can not be adopted. I give a hint of what needs to be done, in the US Armed Forces, when switching from conscription service to a contract, the commanders treated the observance of the rules of duty according to the principle of the conscription army and only the introduction of special representatives who strictly watched the observance of the rules of duty and the emphasis they put on REST, and the commanders were severely punished for violating a serviceman's right to rest. And the accounting of the time that the soldier received for rest was introduced. Over time, everything settled down for them and the need for special representatives was gone.

[Radical]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Radikal

Retired long ago

Pension of a private security company? And all the relatives are also guarding?
After all

Quote: Radikal

There is no other in Russia.

My dear, do you have problems with your eyes? I answered the previous question very clearly. Wanted to flood and tease the moderator?

[22 dmdc]

Quote: Respekt

Moles have been in the General Staff since the 80s and 90s ..

Moles, rats and others may be sitting in the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, but they are somehow sideways to personnel work. This is the responsibility of the State Secretary of the RF Ministry of Defense and the Main Directorate of the RF Ministry of Defense.