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In a matter of seconds, the dense fire of the "Tornado-G" MLRS destroyed more than 15 armored vehicles of the conditional enemy: training footage

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A new video from the Caucasus-2020 military exercises taking place in our country has appeared on the network, in which at least 80 thousand servicemen of various types and branches of the military are involved. One of the stages of the exercise is to strike at the armored vehicles of a conventional enemy. This practice was practiced at the Volgograd training ground "Prudboy".


For destruction tanks and other armored vehicles of the conditional enemy were attracted powerful fire weapons in the form of multiple launch rocket systems.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation noted that they used the means of rocket artillery of the Southern Military District - the Tornado-G installation.

The footage published by the TV channel "Zvezda" demonstrates how the MLRS, lined up in a united front, inflict a powerful blow at the imaginary enemy. The volley fire of the MLRS battery was impressive in its intensity and density. Removing targets - at a distance of over 20 km.



In total, in just 20 seconds, two dozen Tornado-G launchers fired about half a thousand rocket-propelled ammunition.

Control with the help of drones showed that at least 15 armored objects of a conventional enemy were destroyed by such heavy fire - in a matter of seconds.


This is a vivid demonstration of the capabilities of Russian MLRS calculations, including the coherence of their work in a conventional theater of operations.

Let us remind you that the Caucasus-2020 exercise ends tomorrow, September 26.
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  1. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 25 September 2020 12: 04 New
    -11 qualifying.
    Well, where is the defeat of targets ?! What, it was impossible to put the cameras closer to the targets? As they did not know how to show and ...
    Has anyone seen the destruction of armored vehicles? Me not...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 September 2020 12: 08 New
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Well, where is the defeat of targets ?! What, it was impossible to put the cameras closer to the targets? As they did not know how to show and ...

      20km .. as during the Second World War. don't think
      that it will be so beautiful, but not real.
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 25 September 2020 12: 37 New
        +2
        What's not real? Put real armored vehicles rusting in cemeteries? Is it not realistic to put height figures that imitate living force? And also put a dozen video cameras with a high-quality picture? 5-7 pieces will break - three will remain and show the picture. Yes, it costs money, but the visibility of the weapon needs to be demonstrated. Tea is already in the 21st century. 500 RS issued "into the white world" also cost money ...
      2. YOUR
        YOUR 25 September 2020 13: 00 New
        +5
        The firing range of BM-13 "Katyusha" 132 mm shells, the longest-range did not exceed 8,5 km And the spread was up to 700 meters.
        1. venik
          venik 25 September 2020 18: 41 New
          0
          Quote: YOUR
          The firing range of BM-13 "Katyusha" 132 mm shells, the longest-range did not exceed 8,5 km And the spread was up to 700 meters.

          =======
          Question: WHAT is the firing range of the "Grad" (or "Tornado-G") ??? WHAT KVO for BM-13 and BM-21? WHAT power Warhead? ........
          Before COMPARING - you need to THINK !! (Preferably - HEAD !!!) fool
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 26 September 2020 02: 41 New
            -2
            Where did it take you? What to think about what to compare?
            1. venik
              venik 26 September 2020 11: 22 New
              0
              Quote: YOUR
              Where did it take you? What to think about what to compare?

              =======
              THINK - ALWAYS have something! (If of course there is - WHAT) ..... And to compare ..... well, at least - performance characteristics! request
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 27 September 2020 05: 01 New
                0
                And what is this thought. Compare the Zasyadko missiles with the Tornado.
                1. venik
                  venik 27 September 2020 11: 35 New
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  And what is this thought. Compare the Zasyadko missiles with the Tornado.

                  ========
                  Well yes! So you are doing about this (when you compare "Katyusha" with "Grad")! hi
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR 29 September 2020 05: 42 New
                    0
                    THINK - ALWAYS have something! (If of course there is - WHAT) ..... And to compare ..... well, at least - performance characteristics! request
                    Didn't I write that?
    2. figwam
      figwam 25 September 2020 12: 33 New
      +9
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Well, where is the defeat of targets?

      What are the goals? This weapon covers the squares, hits the indicated squares.
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Yes, it costs money, but the clarity of the action of the weapon must be shown realistically.

      Back in 1941, it showed itself, this is not a new weapon, it does not need advertising.
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 25 September 2020 12: 42 New
        -5
        And the squares, dear, are covered just to destroy targets on them.
        1. figwam
          figwam 25 September 2020 13: 02 New
          +7
          Quote: x.andvlad
          And the squares, dear, are covered just to destroy targets on them.

          Well, it is clear that they were not shooting at moles, you need to show plywood with holes, because this is not the weapon, here all living things on hectares perish from a shock wave and fragments.
      2. da Vinci
        da Vinci 25 September 2020 15: 01 New
        +4
        What are the goals? Well, the same: "destroyed more than 15 armored vehicles of the conditional enemy" !!!
      3. DDZ57
        DDZ57 26 September 2020 05: 56 New
        -2
        Back in 1941, it showed itself, this is not a new weapon, it does not need advertising.


        Read modern research on the Flerov and Orsha battery.
        Myth, like the 28 Panfilovites, Gastello and others.
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    5. venik
      venik 25 September 2020 18: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Well, where is the defeat of targets ?!

      ========
      Well, as soon as under the blows of "Grad" (... well, or "Tornado-G") ...... Just like that, you will immediately understand !!! request
    6. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 25 September 2020 20: 30 New
      +1
      usually they either show "fluff," or do not show at all - it is forbidden to be in the strike zones, and no one will constantly drive the sappers - the exercises are still
    7. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 25 September 2020 22: 09 New
      +4



      Here is a photo of the equipment destroyed by the "Grad"
  2. sledak
    sledak 25 September 2020 12: 07 New
    +6
    Powerful and beautiful!
  3. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 25 September 2020 12: 09 New
    +4
    certainly well done .. "Grad" will be in service for a long time - AK among MLRS
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 25 September 2020 12: 12 New
    +2
    more than 15 armored vehicles of a conventional enemy:
    more than two dozen installations "Tornado-G"
    Write in Russian. 3-4 dozen?
    Yes, and 40 barrels each from the installation, this is more than 800 NURS for 15 armor ... repeat
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 25 September 2020 12: 17 New
      +5
      500 RS were issued.
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 25 September 2020 12: 22 New
        0
        And about half a thousand rockets for 15 armored objects - somehow it will be too much. Not?
        It should at least write that during the fire raid a strong point with manpower in quantity was destroyed ...
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 September 2020 12: 35 New
          +8
          Quote: x.andvlad
          Not?

          No.
          This is normal.
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 25 September 2020 12: 18 New
      0
      I wonder what they were shooting at, real armor or dummies?
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 September 2020 12: 21 New
      +9
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Yes, and 40 barrels each from the installation, this is more than 800 NURS for 15 armor ...

      ... this is normal
      As far as I remember, there is 160 per hectare - suppression. Accordingly, 480 per hectare destruction.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 25 September 2020 15: 33 New
        -4
        maybe per square kilometer? 2 rockets are enough per hectare
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 September 2020 16: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          maybe per square kilometer? 2 rockets are enough per hectare

          It is per hectare.
          For "residential force and sheltered firepower"

          And even for openly deployed manpower, a dozen per hectare will be needed for suppression and three dozen for destruction.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 25 September 2020 16: 34 New
            -4
            160 per hectare is too much)))) 6,5 square meters for one rocket ????
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 25 September 2020 16: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              160 per hectare is too much

              The numbers are not from the ceiling
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 25 September 2020 16: 44 New
                -4
                thanks for the info
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 25 September 2020 16: 52 New
                  +2
                  First, there is a mathematical justification, then it is verified by real shooting.

                  The bottom line is that this is the number of shells for guaranteed destruction of an unobserved target. With scattering, with mistakes and other obscenities.

                  And if it is necessary to suppress a buried motorized infantry unit with equipment with guaranteed losses of at least 50%, then there should be at least 160 shells per hectare.

                  Otherwise, observe and deliver projectiles "in portions" until it visually appears that the target is already enough. Which is not very good for MLRS.
          2. svoit
            svoit 25 September 2020 19: 55 New
            0
            Interestingly, what is the density for the MBT target?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 25 September 2020 20: 54 New
              0
              Quote: svoit
              Interestingly, what is the density for the MBT target?

              As many.
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 25 September 2020 12: 21 New
    +5
    The volley of Grad in comparison with the volley of the Tornado battery is just a kindergarten. ..Just nostalgia rolled over .. repeat
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      1. Pike
        Pike 25 September 2020 13: 08 New
        +1
        Range increased
  6. Kamarada
    Kamarada 25 September 2020 12: 21 New
    +4
    That would be our grandfathers such equipment during the Second World War crumble fascists.
    1. demo
      demo 25 September 2020 12: 55 New
      +6
      No. Will not work.
      To the Kulikovskoe field or Borodinskoe.
      That would be a perdimonocle!
  7. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 25 September 2020 12: 21 New
    -5
    500 missiles for 15 armored vehicles. Amazing efficiency.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 25 September 2020 12: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: 7,62x54
      500 missiles for 15 armored vehicles. Amazing efficiency.

      It looks like the main task is "in a matter of seconds". And gaining time in battle is always effective.
      1. iouris
        iouris 25 September 2020 12: 45 New
        -5
        You win in strength - you lose in distance. The warheads must be self-guided.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 September 2020 12: 48 New
          +9
          Quote: iouris
          The warheads must be self-guided.

          For the same efficiency, but more expensive?
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 September 2020 12: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: 7,62x54
      500 missiles for 15 armored vehicles. Amazing efficiency.

      And what is wrong?
    3. BARKAS
      BARKAS 25 September 2020 14: 26 New
      +4
      If such efficiency is not in exercises but in real combat conditions, then it is very effective. Given the cost and effectiveness of the armored vehicles themselves and the threat they pose.
      1. iouris
        iouris 25 September 2020 19: 15 New
        -2
        Quote: BARKAS
        If such efficiency is not in exercises but in real combat conditions

        Will not be. Any "efficiency" can be demonstrated at the test site. Nothing is said about the conditions of the shooting, but this is the point.
    4. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 25 September 2020 14: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: 7,62x54
      500 missiles for 15 armored vehicles. Amazing efficiency.

      The cost of nurs is cheap, 1 destroyed tank will pay off all 500 nurs many times over. Although there are missiles with individual guidance blocks to destroy armored vehicles
      1. iouris
        iouris 25 September 2020 19: 17 New
        -2
        Quote: Vol4ara
        The cost of the nursa is cheap

        "You wouldn't be chasing, you priest, for cheapness ..." (AS Pushkin, "The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda", if that). AS Pushkin authority?
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 25 September 2020 20: 43 New
          0
          Quote: iouris
          Quote: Vol4ara
          The cost of the nursa is cheap

          "You wouldn't be chasing, you priest, for cheapness ..." (AS Pushkin, "The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda", if that). AS Pushkin authority?

          Sit down 2.
          It is not enough to know the sayings of the greats, you still need to understand and apply them in the case. So sit down, two.
          1. iouris
            iouris 25 September 2020 20: 56 New
            -2
            If I sit down, you will lie down. Learn student.
  8. svp67
    svp67 25 September 2020 12: 28 New
    +8
    This is a vivid demonstration of the capabilities of Russian MLRS calculations, including the coherence of their work in a conventional theater of operations.
    If this is a REAL job, then it's worth thinking ... In an open field, like MLRS machines lined up at the parade, they slowly load the installations, then open fire and after that, as I understand, they stay in place ...
    Bad, very bad. In a real situation, this battery, with a probability of 80%, would have already been destroyed.
    Why not train fast exits, deploy, open fire, curtail and leave?
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 25 September 2020 12: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      In an open field ... bad, very bad

      No, well, in principle, it would be possible to shoot from MLRS not in an open field - for example, in the suburbs or in the taiga ... But the exercises are taking place exactly where they are now.
      Quote: svp67
      Why not train fast exits, deploy, open fire, curtail and leave?

      If you have been to landfills in the Volgograd and Astrakhan regions, there this "quick exit" to hundreds of kilometers of steppe and semi-desert can be carried out all day - until reaching the starting positions. This is definitely not the kind of landscape where you can advance secretly at all. If only a dust storm will cover ... Probably, they will decide to practice such a "quick exit" in another place, at other exercises.
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 September 2020 13: 17 New
        -3
        Quote: Volodin
        If you have been to landfills in the Volgograd and Astrakhan regions, there this "quick exit" to hundreds of kilometers of steppe and semi-desert can be carried out all day - until reaching the starting positions.

        For this, the concentration areas are equipped, where these combat vehicles are in shelters and the vehicles leave it already to perform combat missions.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 September 2020 12: 46 New
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      If this is a REAL job

      This is a show.
      For bosses and journalists. It has little to do with reality.
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 25 September 2020 12: 49 New
        -9
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: svp67
        If this is a REAL job

        This is a show.
        For bosses and journalists. It has little to do with reality.

        Moreover, it is standard and not high quality.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 September 2020 12: 52 New
          +8
          Quote: x.andvlad
          Moreover, it is standard and not high quality.

          And "quality" is how? Like in India, dancing around the gun?
          1. x.andvlad
            x.andvlad 25 September 2020 12: 54 New
            -11 qualifying.
            Everyone has already seen the dust in the field, and more than once.
            Show the target area more clearly ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 25 September 2020 12: 57 New
              +6
              Quote: x.andvlad
              Show the target area more clearly ...

              During the exercises, it is impossible.

              First you need to finish the exercises. Then the sappers must check. And only after that the audience can be taken there. But I'm afraid she won't wait.
              Will look from the KNP area, and be satisfied with the spectacle.

              Still, you shouldn't even turn a show into a circus show.
              1. svp67
                svp67 25 September 2020 13: 20 New
                +5
                Quote: Spade
                During the exercises, it is impossible.

                First you need to finish the exercises.

                I beg you ... You might think that now there are no reconnaissance UAVs from which it would be possible to show a picture and there are no ordinary quadrocopters ... For this technique, preliminary demining of the area where the shells fall is not required
                1. x.andvlad
                  x.andvlad 25 September 2020 13: 31 New
                  -3
                  I totally agree. Another thing is that there are apparently no thinking specialists on the "Star"
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 25 September 2020 16: 20 New
                  +1
                  Quote: svp67
                  I beg you ... You might think that now there are no reconnaissance UAVs,

                  "Dear spectators, we are stopping our exercises so that the Zvezda quadrocopter will fly from the target area for the mortar battery to the target area for the MLRS. Gentlemen, generals, have a smoke for half an hour. But do not forget that after the volley you will have to smoke the same amount, so the drone can fly back ".....
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 26 September 2020 10: 25 New
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    But do not forget that after the volley, you will have to smoke the same amount so that the drone can fly back ".....

                    I respect the sarcasm, but it could have been done while the ammunition was being loaded. And where did the Eagles-10 go?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 September 2020 10: 27 New
                      +1
                      Quote: svp67
                      I respect the sarcasm, but it could have been done while the ammunition was being loaded

                      Eh ????
                      You, in my opinion, do not understand what this is about.
                      There are exercises in which the MLRS salvo is a small short episode.
                      And "while the loading was in progress," tankers, or motorized riflemen, or barrel artillery fired.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 26 September 2020 13: 17 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        And "while the loading was in progress," tankers, or motorized riflemen, or barrel artillery fired.

                        And they were filmed by the Zvezda quadrocopter ... it's hard to believe. And yes, the Orlans-10 were obliged to conduct reconnaissance, adjustments and record the results ...
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 25 September 2020 15: 14 New
            +4
            Quote: Spade
            And "quality" is how?

            Don't bother - a banal philistine-consumer approach.
            They are not even a terrorist attack without meat on video. Well, I want a tasty clip art, because habit is second nature. yes
      2. chenia
        chenia 25 September 2020 13: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        For bosses and journalists. It has little to do with reality.


        That's for sure! In reality, the third one to control one combat projectile is fire. Well, a couple, three volleys (one per gun) to check the fan.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 September 2020 16: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: chenia
          In reality, the third one to control one combat projectile is fire.

          Yes, no, they still try to shoot with every installation. Just the maximum number of targets. Therefore 2-3 RS per target.
  9. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 25 September 2020 13: 00 New
    -8
    Quote: Spade
    And only after that the audience can be taken there. But I'm afraid she won't wait.

    You don't need it. There are technical means for high-quality shooting.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 September 2020 13: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: x.andvlad
      There are technical means for high-quality shooting.

      Let them do this at Mosfilm. For their money.

      Window dressing is still a teaching. And not shooting a video for "Zvezda".
  10. Alien From
    Alien From 25 September 2020 13: 03 New
    +2
    Serious systems, whatever one may say!
  11. Pavel57
    Pavel57 25 September 2020 13: 11 New
    -5
    500 rounds for 15 targets isn't wasteful?
    1. DDZ57
      DDZ57 25 September 2020 13: 37 New
      -10 qualifying.
      Played for more than 200 million.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 25 September 2020 15: 39 New
        -1
        to give to pensioners?))))
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 25 September 2020 16: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: DDZ57
        Played for more than 200 million.

        400 thousand one RS?
        they say they are 60 times cheaper
        1. DDZ57
          DDZ57 26 September 2020 01: 08 New
          -1
          Realities suggest otherwise.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 September 2020 07: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: DDZ57
            Realities suggest otherwise.

            Realities are just talking about 3-7 thousand, depending on the type of warhead and on the fuse
            1. DDZ57
              DDZ57 26 September 2020 08: 46 New
              -1
              Realities are just talking about 3-7 thousand, depending on the type of warhead and on the fuse


              The prices that you indicated were in the USSR (in the USSR they were slightly lower, but the order is correct).
              You will not be shocked if the numbers exceed the ones you indicated earlier?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 September 2020 08: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: DDZ57
                The prices that you indicated were in the USSR

                No, Soviet prices were even lower. These are Russian.
                For example, in 2005 M-210F cost 6 rubles 156 kopecks

                As we can see, this is very far from the 0.4 million per RS ​​that you claim.
                1. DDZ57
                  DDZ57 26 September 2020 09: 58 New
                  -1
                  If this is an expired projectile to supply the army to the enterprise for modernization, then your price is correct. Under Serdyukov, hundreds of thousands of Gradovsk shells were destroyed at army disposal sites throughout the country by burning, the bodies of which were later used by the local population for posts in the gardens.
                  The price of a new projectile for delivery by the enterprise to the army is closer to the figures I indicated.
                  Do not believe me, take an interest in Alloy or search the Internet. There is the cost of a powder checker with an igniter for the NAR S-13 (let's call it conditionally air Hail, because they are similar), there is the cost of modernizing this rocket with the replacement of the TZP, etc. - the numbers are somewhere around 2015-2018, you will be surprised at their magnitude.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 26 September 2020 10: 01 New
                    +1
                    Quote: DDZ57
                    If it is a projectile with an expired shelf life

                    If someone has learned to produce projectiles with an expired shelf life, then maybe laughing

                    Quote: DDZ57
                    Do not believe me, take an interest in Alloy or search the Internet.

                    I don't believe it, I asked, 6 156 rubles 48 kopecks
                    1. DDZ57
                      DDZ57 26 September 2020 10: 12 New
                      -1
                      If someone has learned to produce projectiles with an expired shelf life, then maybe

                      These are shells that lay in the army in a warehouse and the manufacturer did not extend their storage time. The manufacturer does not want to sit, but they were afraid to use them in the army.
                      Therefore, they can either be sold at your specified price to the manufacturer (Alloy will be happy), or to the disposal site.
                      But at the price, everyone will remain unconvinced, and for the sake of interest, ask Alloy about the price of a new engine with mixed fuel.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 26 September 2020 10: 25 New
                        +1
                        Quote: DDZ57
                        These are the shells that lay in the army in the warehouse.

                        These are procurement prices for government contracts. Do not compose

                        Quote: DDZ57
                        But for the price, everyone will have their own opinion

                        Well yes. I know the approximate cost, you do not know, but at the same time you are sure that it is 60 times more and corresponds to the cost of the guided ammunition. laughing laughing laughing
                      2. DDZ57
                        DDZ57 26 September 2020 13: 39 New
                        -1
                        These are procurement prices for government contracts. Do not compose


                        On government contracts of what year. This is the first question.
                        Purchase prices for government contracts are classified information. Have you shared secret information on the forum?
                        Well, so in the search engine type NZIV tenders, and if in the subject, then divide the price of the contract by the number of pieces, you will get that only the checker with the igniter is an order of magnitude higher than the price you named under the state contract. If you climb. then the price dynamics will be visible. Even in the years indicated by you, the checker significantly exceeded the price of the state contract indicated by you. Something like this.
  12. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 25 September 2020 20: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Pavel57
    500 rounds for 15 targets isn't wasteful?

    It depends on what goals ... The approximate price of M1A2 Abrams - $ 6,2 million - 15 Abrams = $ 93 + BC in Abrams - carton shot = $ 000, cumulative = $ 000, BOPS from depleted uranium = $ 2 ... So count ... and do not forget for each dead "GI" US Defense Ministry pays $ 000 - the crew of Abrams 4 fighters.
    1. DDZ57
      DDZ57 26 September 2020 05: 49 New
      -1
      The approximate price of M1A2 Abrams - $ 6,2 million - 15 Abrams = 93


      To hit a target of the M1A2 Abrams type from the HF Grad, you need a direct projectile hit.
      Provided that this hit triggers the Abrams ammunition or a full set of din protection.
      The Grad will hit the Abrams if there is no Trophy on it.
      The Grad hit on Abrams will occur if the Grad overcomes the military air defense.
      The Grad will hit the Abrams if there are no hills, hollows, ravines, groves and other natural shelters on the terrain where the Abrams are scattered (the Grad's coal approach to the target is not optimal).
      Someone may give something else.
      Undermining the PF warhead of the Grad at a distance of 2-5 m from Abrams will lead, perhaps, only to a contusion of the crew, damage to instruments, the barrel? and hinged elements. Repair within 2-3 hours by the crew, if it is not necessary to change the barrel.
      And so they rightly said: shooting a video for "Zvezda" and for subsequent discussion
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 September 2020 07: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: DDZ57
        The Grad will hit the Abrams if there is no Trophy on it.

        laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
        Aha
        Quote: DDZ57
        The Grad will hit the Abrams if there are no hills, hollows, ravines, groves and other natural shelters on the terrain where the Abrams are scattered (the Grad's coal approach to the target is not optimal).

        laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 26 September 2020 19: 05 New
        -1
        To make a cumulative funnel with copper on the "hailstones" (or even a double kumu like PG-7VR or RPG-28) - and count on a direct hit during salvo firing (with a caliber of 122mm, it will pierce about 1000mm behind the DZ). The whole calculation is for the cheapness of mass production and fairly accurate shooting, at least one "package" for the Abrams. In principle, "Zvezda" works like an agitprom of the 30s, until there is a war, everything is fine ...
  13. DDZ57
    DDZ57 26 September 2020 06: 15 New
    -1

    And with a serious enemy, no one will allow the deployment of the Grad division at a distance of 20 km from the line of contact.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 September 2020 07: 52 New
      +1
      And someone will ask them if they will. or not?
      1. DDZ57
        DDZ57 26 September 2020 08: 38 New
        -1
        And someone will ask them if they will. or not?


        Nobody will ask, I agree, I do not argue. The Papuans will admit.
        But how the Americans allowed the Russian PMC in Syria to the oil industry, I have already told you.
        With constant monitoring of the situation to a depth of 50 km or more from contact (this already does not present problems even in the case of using electronic warfare) and network centrism, I am not sure whether Grady will reach the line of opening fire, not to mention the picture that was shown in loading BM.
        Even in Africa in 1977-1980, it was not rolled out.
        Well, so the news and video for fooling people is good, patriotic and you can discuss it with someone.
        And someone either laugh or cry
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 September 2020 08: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: DDZ57
          The Papuans will admit.

          Americans in Afghanistan are regularly bombarded with much shorter-range mortars.

          Quote: DDZ57
          With constant monitoring of the situation

          laughing
          1. DDZ57
            DDZ57 26 September 2020 09: 20 New
            -1
            This is not about mortars, i.e. on the actions of sabotage and reconnaissance groups or the so-called. "civilian population".
            We are talking about moving to combat positions, loading more than a division of combat vehicles, transport vehicles, control vehicles, and if in combat conditions, then security vehicles.
            The sausage will turn out long, it will be seen far away, the gifts will quickly arrive.
            So, in this situation, it is not necessary to monitor the literate especially.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 26 September 2020 09: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: DDZ57
              This is not about mortars

              It's about mortars.
              That is, in Afghanistan, having a completely "American" sky, with a complete absence of electronic countermeasures from the militants, with almost complete absence of an air defense system ...

              And still they can't.

              Quote: DDZ57
              The sausage will turn out long

              Lots of sausages. Toothy. Which cover the means of electronic warfare and air defense ... First you need to find. Which is difficult. Then try to impress, which is even more difficult. Well, then, try to get away. Which is very difficult given that American artillery is mostly towed.
              1. DDZ57
                DDZ57 26 September 2020 10: 36 New
                0
                This is not about mortars
                It's about mortars.
                That is, in Afghanistan, having a completely "American" sky, with a complete absence of electronic countermeasures from the militants, with almost complete absence of an air defense system ...
                And still they can't.


                But in the article under discussion we are talking about Gradova sausage. And about the possibility of its detection in the conditions shown in the video. And that this sausage will be fried by a serious enemy. Example: the Turks fried asad in the first half of this year in full, with the presence of the Russian electronic warfare and air defense facilities in the region.

                Comparison of mortar shelling of US Army positions by sabotage and reconnaissance groups or the so-called. "civilians" and the defeat of the column of the Grad division taking up the position is a bit incorrect. For the battalion commander, or those who set him a combat mission, completely neglected the enemy's capabilities (ignored them). Not such a late example - the capture of Grozny, how many tanks and personnel were laid and taken prisoner (they were going to roll out one regiment of the Airborne Forces, only who was rolled out and how many years they were rolling and to whom Hero was given).
                The price was not kept.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 26 September 2020 11: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: DDZ57
                  But in the article under discussion we are talking about Gradova sausage.

                  And you still try to figure out what kind of "sausage". Or will you require the enemy to provide information?

                  Quote: DDZ57
                  Example: Turks toasted Asad

                  Example: Iranians did not fry Jews, but quite the opposite.
                  Are you sure that during the war with the Americans, we will not strike at easily calculated UAV control points?

                  Quote: DDZ57
                  Comparison of mortar shelling of US Army positions by sabotage and reconnaissance groups or the so-called. "civilians" and the defeat of the column of the Grad division taking up the position is a bit incorrect.

                  Very correct.
                  If you have a problem to do the first, then with the second there will be much more problems.

                  It's like a nail. If you cannot hit it at home, then in the conditions of the polar night outside, you will hardly improve the result.
                  Just remember the war in Ukraine. And the highest efficiency of the MLRS. Despite all the attempts of the punishers.
                  1. DDZ57
                    DDZ57 26 September 2020 13: 23 New
                    -1
                    And you still try to figure out what kind of "sausage". Or will you require the enemy to provide information?
                    .

                    You were given an example of the firing defeat of a Russian PMC by the Americans in Syria.
                    It is not necessary to demand information from the enemy. It can be seen well from a satellite, better from a large UAV, which patrols 100 km away from the demarcation line, or you can send a small one closer to determine how the sausage is fried or smoked. And all in real time.
                    Calculated even on cars smaller than the Grad.

                    Are you sure that during the war with the Americans, we will not strike at easily calculated UAV control points?


                    Name the date when you were going to fight the Americans in order to have time to move to the mountains.
                    And how many in Syria were easily calculated and destroyed UAV control points.
                    Even those that operate plywood UAVs, regularly attacking Khmeinim, to destroy which missiles are used, the price of which is one and a half orders of magnitude higher than the price of the shot down target.

                    Comparison of mortar shelling of US Army positions by sabotage and reconnaissance groups or the so-called. "civilians" and the defeat of the column of the Grad division taking up the position is a bit incorrect.

                    Very correct.
                    If you have a problem to do the first, then with the second there will be much more problems.


                    It is not necessary to compare a war with an irregular enemy in a territory inhabited by a hostile population, with a positional war. The war with them is waged by other methods and not MLRS, but other, more economical ways.
                    It was only Russian peacekeepers on the line of demarcation between Georgia and South Ossetia who could see the buildup of Georgian troops in front of their positions. Those. there was completely no control over the terrain in the area of ​​responsibility.
                    Or they were simply framed for a reason.
                    It's like a nail. If you cannot hit it at home, then in the conditions of the polar night outside, you will hardly improve the result.
                    Just remember the war in Ukraine. And the highest efficiency of the MLRS. Despite all the attempts of the punishers.

                    I have no problem with the nail, day or night. At night they will either light me up or I will put on a forehead and I will shine myself. If it's freezing outside, I have fur leather gloves and a good hammer with a rubberized handle (it doesn't slip out of my hands) (imported). I almost forgot a few hammers for different jobs.
                    I have nothing to remember about the war in Ukraine, I was not there.
                    And the highest efficiency of the MLRS was provided by someone's vacationers, who were not there.
                    The level of the "punisher" is no different than that of the Papuan. Taking into account the fact that there was no equal opposition.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 25 September 2020 13: 12 New
    -4
    Quote: Spade
    And not shooting a video for "Zvezda".

    Why not? Such large-scale exercises are rarely carried out.
  • Sergey Obraztsov
    Sergey Obraztsov 25 September 2020 13: 14 New
    +8
    You can forever admire three things - the launch of a heavy ICBM, the flight of the Tu-160 and the salvo of an MLRS battery!
  • olezzhek
    olezzhek 25 September 2020 13: 35 New
    +1
    Judging by the video, the cars were charged with "shorties", and they have a maximum speed of 16 km. Well, judging by the slope of the package of guides, they shot at 7-8 km
  • Yusufjon Nuritdinov
    Yusufjon Nuritdinov 25 September 2020 14: 01 New
    -6
    Wow training! 500 rounds and only about 15 armored vehicles!
  • Free wind
    Free wind 25 September 2020 14: 09 New
    -6
    It seems that there are no hailstones, tornadoes, and armor-piercing shells in the arsenal, and there never will be. And all these hailstones are not terrible for tanks. And the enemy's armored vehicles, these are probably boxes from under the refrigerators?
    1. Imperial Technocrat
      Imperial Technocrat 25 September 2020 14: 34 New
      +1
      Actually, there are homing cumulative cassettes in there. Just to get into a puddle ...
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 25 September 2020 15: 47 New
        -2
        there is no such thing and is not expected
        1. Hermit21
          Hermit21 25 September 2020 17: 01 New
          +2
          This "is not and is not expected" in 2014-2015 massively burned hihlam armored vehicles
      2. DDZ57
        DDZ57 26 September 2020 06: 31 New
        -1
        there are self-guided cumulative cassettes. Just to get into a puddle ...


        Self-aiming combat elements. 9M217 with 2nd SPBE - designed to destroy armored vehicles. The maximum range of its flight is 18,5 km. The combat elements of the ammunition penetrate 60-70 mm thick armor into the upper hemisphere.
        Pepnut into a puddle ... carried out in the video, and an adequate enemy will not allow such a deployment and strike by the Grad division 20 km from the line of contact.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 September 2020 16: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Free Wind
      And all these hailstones are not terrible for tanks

      Yeah .....
      laughing
      Absolutely not scary. Just 6 kg of metallized RDX, it's like two fingers for a tank ...
      Just like 45 KOBE or 180 incendiary elements ...
    3. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 25 September 2020 21: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Free Wind
      It seems that there are no hailstones, tornadoes, armor-piercing shells in the arsenal, and there will never be. And all these hailstones are not terrible for tanks.

      You can make a cumulative funnel in each "hailstone" and even coat it with copper - you get a NURS with armor penetration at the level of the ATGM "Shturm" (caliber 130mm - BM 21 122mm), 9M114 - 650mm. When hit from above, it must pierce.
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 25 September 2020 14: 33 New
    0
    Loxly harem pants all covered
    1. maktub
      maktub 25 September 2020 15: 38 New
      -5
      The so-called "suckers" yesterday at the exercises fired without excessive fanfare, from BM-27 "Uragan", complexes "Alder", complex "Neptune", with the support of ground attack and naval aviation against targets "in the depth of the defense of a conditional enemy", and also carried out practical bombing of the Bayraktar TB2 bunker with MAM-L guided munitions.
      Today at the Yagorlyk training ground, combat firing from the S-300, Buk and modernized S-125 air defense systems was carried out.
      During the exercise, control flight tests of guided anti-aircraft missiles were carried out
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 25 September 2020 16: 36 New
        0
        without a pump ??? they discuss reports in all the news and on the forums)))
      2. Hermit21
        Hermit21 25 September 2020 17: 03 New
        +3
        Horrible. The Southern Military District and the Black Sea Fleet reached Chelyabinsk. Together with ships and submarines
        1. maktub
          maktub 25 September 2020 17: 16 New
          -1
          Underestimation you know what it leads to
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 25 September 2020 20: 58 New
            0
            Quote: maktub
            Underestimation you know what it leads to

            It is very difficult to underestimate the Ukrainian army.
            1. maktub
              maktub 25 September 2020 21: 21 New
              -1
              Sarcasm, nu-nu.
  • Respect
    Respect 25 September 2020 15: 56 New
    +2
    "Tornado" is a good thing, of course, but in case of a serious conflict with the West, the missiles are needed and the latest fighters with air defense! And it would also be nice to mobilize training on a national scale! And then I remember during a sudden large-scale exercise on the transfer of troops to the Far East, one cunning private airfield first asked to transfer money and only then give permission for the landing of military fighters and transport aircraft ..
    If you want peace, prepare for war! A very wise saying is ancient
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 25 September 2020 17: 19 New
    -1
    It would be better if the Syrian terrorists were fired upon.
    1. DDZ57
      DDZ57 26 September 2020 06: 49 New
      -1
      It would be better if the Syrian terrorists were fired upon.


      In Syria, you need to ask the Turks for permission to fire on "terrorists"
      otherwise, the Korean K-9 in Turkish performance and the Bayraktar-TB and Anka-S UAVs will roll out the BM-21 division for 1,5-3 minutes, they will not have time to recharge. Kuchnenko are in the loading position.
      Well, as for advertising, it is not necessary to make a normal video and you can discuss it.
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  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 26 September 2020 00: 00 New
    0
    I am proud of our aircraft !!! But I want to see how Tosochka works