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Gorbachev: It would be wise for Russia to return to new political thinking

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In the Japanese edition of Asahi Shimbun, material has been published, which presents the statements of Mikhail Gorbachev, the first (and last) president of the USSR. One of the topics is the aggravated relations between the United States and China.


According to Gorbachev, a pandemic has become an additional factor of tension between the countries. Donald Trump continues to call the coronavirus Chinese, stating that the PRC is to blame for the pandemic.

Gorbachev notes the possible role of Russia in such a situation. According to the ex-leader of the USSR, Moscow should find diplomatic leverage to prevent the escalation of the conflict between the United States and China. At the same time, Mikhail Gorbachev uses a term familiar to himself, which he actively used back in the 80s of the last century - “new political thinking” (apparently, again with an emphasis on the first syllable).

Gorbachev recalled how he, being at the helm of the USSR, had contacts with Washington in a diplomatic manner, which allowed "to reach an important agreement in the field of disarmament."

According to the former president of the USSR, "it is wise for Moscow to return to new political thinking and set the task of preventing conflict between China and the United States through diplomatic means."

Apparently, "Comrade" Gorbachev, under the return to "new political thinking", assumes his own version of US contacts when it comes to serving American interests.
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  1. samarin1969
    samarin1969 25 September 2020 06: 12
    78
    But what is it, just had breakfast ... and then here is "this".
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 25 September 2020 06: 26
      38
      Quote: samarin1969
      But what is it, just had breakfast ... and then here is "this".

      I am very sorry, colleague, but such articles, like donating blood, are better on an empty stomach.
      1. hrych
        hrych 25 September 2020 07: 21
        20
        Quote: Malyuta
        better on an empty stomach

        Enough for you, this creature put the whole country on a lean. am
        Nooo "History does not know the word if". Do you think that the Central Committee of the CPSU issued something better to the rulers of the Union? No, it could be even worse. The siphoning of resources from the RSFSR to the union republics and the CMEA countries has reached its limit. Ukrainization at the state level since those times. Beginning with Khrushchev, it was the Ukrainians who seized the top of the Soviet Olympus, and not only that, also the descendants of the unbeaten Trotskyists. Andropov-Lieberman, the son of Genya Fleckenstein, got around, but after he began to bring back the dictatorship, he was finished off. Nowadays there are 90 million inhabitants of Central Asia and Transcaucasia alone. They are constrained only by boundaries. The Russians were smeared across the republics and would become a minority, devoid of ethnic identity. The national policy of the Bolsheviks would finish off the economy and lead to irreversible consequences for the Great Russians. Therefore, Gorby and EBN are destroyers, but like Shivardnadze, like Kravchuk, like Shushkevich, like Heydar Aliyev, like a scoundrel - Kryuchkov, Yegor-Judushka Yakovlev, a galaxy of traitorous generals, such as Bakatin, Kalugin, Dudayev, etc. Stupid Yazov, a crying Bolshevik Ryzhkov, toilet poet - Lukyanov, shaking Yanaev. Whom could this rotten blubber - the CPSU give birth to? Maybe a new generation? Komsomol members: Chubais, Gaidar, Khakamada, Nemtsov ... what a worthy replacement of the Party has grown laughing Therefore, the top of the Union, all - a collective Gorbachev. am
        1. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 25 September 2020 07: 27
          +5
          Malyuta! That's right, but on an empty stomach, I would not recommend it. Harmful. Remember as prof. Preobrazhensky advised Bormental not to read Soviet newspapers. So it is.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 25 September 2020 08: 15
            +1
            Preobrazhensky contra is not finished. Why would his statements be accepted as truth?
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 25 September 2020 23: 12
              +5
              When will he die
              1. Russian Bear_2
                Russian Bear_2 26 September 2020 17: 28
                +3
                His devils in hell have already been tired of waiting.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 28 September 2020 16: 02
                  0
                  Apparently, "Comrade" Gorbachev, under the return to "new political thinking", assumes his own version of US contacts when it comes to serving American interests.
                  Regarding Gorbachev, I have no normal words - only obscene words!

                  Gorbachev is not just a traitor to the USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries, but an ordinary American agent and hero of America. Everyone has long understood this and voiced it in plain text.

                  And when will the Russian government stop paying the pro-Western Gorby a monthly pension of more than 800 thousand rubles, free security, medical care and accommodation?
                  When will this humiliation of a great country - Russia - end?
                  Probably never!
                  Another Mishka Gorbachev by decision of the liberal government of the Russian Federation and bury with a guard of honor at public expense - i.e. for people's money - we will be in Russia!

                  Agent Gorbachev. Evgeny Fyodorov Apr 4. 2013
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 25 September 2020 07: 48
          +5
          Quote: hrych
          the Bolshevik policy would finish off the economy

          Do not confuse the policy of the Bolshevik Stalin with the policy of the Trotskyists Khrushchev, Brezhnev, etc.

          Under Stalin, each republic (region, region) lived on what they could earn themselves. For the solution of common tasks (defense, borders, etc.) "the whole world was thrown off." Participation in all-Union construction projects, each republic itself decided to take part in them or not.

          Starting from Khrushchev, all the money earned by the republics (territories, regions) was sent to the cent and from there, according to loyalty, was distributed back. The same applies to the CMEA countries, which ultimately aroused hostility towards the center. As a result, at the first opportunity, they became independent.
          1. solzh
            solzh 25 September 2020 14: 00
            20
            Quote: Boris55
            Trotskyists Khrushchev, Brezhnev

            Brezhnev is a Trotskyist ... However ... That is, is Brezhnev to blame for everything? Brezhnev ruined the industry? Was it Brezhnev who arranged the optimization of medicine? Is Brezhnev the culprit of the demagrophic catastrophe? Is Brezhnev to blame for small pensions and unemployment? Is it Brezhnev to blame for the national conflicts in the post-Soviet space? That is how Brezhnev is a Trotskyist. And he didn't know it.
            1. hrych
              hrych 26 September 2020 02: 28
              -1
              Brezhnev, it seemed to him, was saving the world. Those. concluded SALT-1 as a pay-a-blind to the Americans' lunar bullshit. Nooo, the USSR collapsed ... because of the infamous lunar production. Think why ...
              1. Say Tooth
                Say Tooth 27 September 2020 05: 09
                -1
                It seems to me that accusations of "moon bullshit" are caused by the syndrome described in the fable "The Fox and the Grapes".
                1. hrych
                  hrych 27 September 2020 05: 38
                  +2
                  When you show me a shot where a person makes ten-meter steps, then come. Okay, okay come at least five meters wassat I do not even demand explanations for the rest of the punctures: shadows from searchlights, radiation backgrounds, light bulbs instead of ejection of shunting engines, reflections on the helmet of a man in shorts, the absence of stars, the wrong scale of the earth, the same background of different missions at different landing points, lunar wind, etc. , etc. And also repeat the flight wassat And so good fellows Americans and was relying on a stupid man in the street who does not see elementary things. The weight is different there wassat
            2. Arabfun
              Arabfun 26 September 2020 13: 00
              +1
              And also the transition to the dollar domestically
            3. lelik613
              lelik613 26 September 2020 15: 48
              +2
              Brezhnev is to blame twice: he did not resign in time and died at the wrong time.
            4. hrych
              hrych 27 September 2020 05: 49
              +1
              It was Brezhnev who brought the country to a dead end, having put the economy on an oil needle and the sheikhs conspiracy to knock us out. Brezhnev is a good and kind man, a real war hero, but ... a Trotskyist. Appointed to a responsible post on the recommendation of Khrushchev, who pulled up the secret Trotskyists. He returned the deported Chechens and Crimean Tatars. Therefore, he is to blame a priori for the bloody Chechen wars. Under him, Ukrainization took on a wide scale and now in Ukraine we have the fruits of his handiwork. Under him, the Party was filled with Banderavites, hereditary Trotskyists, and so on. The relatives whom Stalin shot were killed under Brezhnev. Under him, rampant corruption and organized crime appeared with the corruption of the regional committee clique. Yes, under him the prerequisites for the collapse were formed, and Gorby and EBN were only a consequence.
          2. Machito
            Machito 25 September 2020 22: 44
            +5
            Gorbachev needs to be convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment until he dies for crimes he committed against the Russian people. Dig up Raiku, burn it, load her ashes into a cannon, and shoot towards the West.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 25 September 2020 23: 09
              +4
              Quote: Bearded
              Gorbachev needs to be convicted and imprisoned for life

              but better for a count
            2. hrych
              hrych 26 September 2020 02: 31
              -2
              Gorby sincerely tried to save the Union. If not for Gorby, then, according to the tradition of the General Secretary, the post would have been taken by the head of the CPSU of Ukraine, and this is ... Kravchuk. General Secretary-Bandera - Kravchuk. How do you like it? Don't you like Gorbachev?
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 25 September 2020 07: 57
          23
          Quote: hrych
          The national policy of the Bolsheviks would finish off the economy and lead to irreversible consequences for the Great Russians. Therefore, Gorby and EBN are destroyers

          Gorbi and Ebn were never Bolsheviks. sad they were big members of the party nomenklatura, they did not know Marx, Lenin, and even less the Bible. did not have moral codes. Calling them bolshiviks you insult the memory of people who fell in the Second World War.
        4. Private-K
          Private-K 25 September 2020 08: 00
          +6
          Quote: hrych
          Andropov-Lieberman, son of Genya Fleckenstein,

          In general, I agree, but at the expense of “Andropov” - hardly.
          "Andropov" is, of course, a fictitious name. But he is not Lieberman either. The fact is that, apparently, his mother became pregnant from a Moscow business man of those times of German origin. Prior to that, his mother lived in the Caucasus and, apparently on a recommendation from the local Germans, entered the service of a maid in the house of a Moscow merchant. There and that ...
          In general, everything in the biography of "Andropov" is festive: even the dates of birth are different in the autobiographical references that he himself wrote (after erasures). In general - a very murky origin in tovarischa which he hid in every possible way.
        5. Essex62
          Essex62 25 September 2020 08: 13
          11
          And the CPSU is only the ghouls you listed? There were no others?
          1. hrych
            hrych 25 September 2020 08: 25
            -10 qualifying.
            These are the leaders, the rest are extras. Perhaps sincerely deluded.
            1. tatra
              tatra 25 September 2020 10: 03
              -1
              And why did these leaders and extras BEFORE yours, the enemies of the CPSU, the "Osvoboditel" Gorbachev, did not destroy the USSR, and did not surrender it to you, the enemies of the USSR?
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 25 September 2020 10: 28
                +1
                Quote: tatra
                BEFORE your enemies of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, "Osvoboditel" Gorbachev, did not destroy the USSR, and did not surrender it to you, the enemies of the USSR?

                Dear Czechoslovak dump truck, the fact is that the delivery process was launched long before the combine operator, he only had to open the front door and prop it up with a brick so that it would not accidentally slam shut, yeah. And yes, as long as you position yourself as a friend of the communists on the board, why the hell didn't you take action at the time? wink From, that's the same ... yes
                With people like you, the communists and enemies did not need "friends". hi
                1. tatra
                  tatra 25 September 2020 10: 35
                  -1
                  This is not an answer, but a cowardly twist from the answer. None of the enemies of the USSR, who excuse the benefactor, is capable of answering - how, WITHOUT Gorbachev, Soviet power could be replaced by an anti-Soviet one, socialism - by a system beneficial only to the enemies of the USSR, in which they, at the expense of the country and the people, had their large, very large, huge incomes and salaries.
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 25 September 2020 10: 53
                    -3
                    Quote: tatra
                    None of the enemies of the USSR, who excuse the benefactor, is capable of answering - how, WITHOUT Gorbachev, Soviet power could be replaced by an anti-Soviet

                    Easy. Of the representatives of the "new wave" of political figures, of whom there were enough then, it was possible to choose and place bets, but in the end it was he who entered.
                    Ideological, real communists among them were 0,0%. And I repeat: Gorby did not drag you (us) by force anywhere, - by ourselves, all by ourselves. And now you smear reflexive snot, and immediately sprinkle saliva on the chimeras that have arisen in the tired brain. But this is already from the field of psychology, and, possibly, psychiatry.
                    1. tatra
                      tatra 25 September 2020 11: 02
                      +2
                      AGAIN not an answer, but a 30-year-old cowardly ideology of the enemies of the communists "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame." And the enemies of the communists are unable to adequately perceive either themselves or reality. All 100 years after the October Revolution, the people on the territory of the USSR are divided into real, by convictions, communists and their supporters, and into YOU, their enemies. And what, you seriously assert that in the highest echelons of Soviet power before your benefactor Gorbachev there were entirely YOU, enemies of the communists? Then again I ask the question - why then before Gorbachev the USSR was not destroyed?
                      1. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 25 September 2020 11: 55
                        -2
                        Quote: tatra
                        why then was the USSR not destroyed before Gorbachev?

                        Do not have time - will it do? Although, where is it ... Haloperidol and immediately. wassat
            2. Essex62
              Essex62 25 September 2020 11: 51
              +8
              What are the deluded? Is a society divided according to property, with all that it implies, into the flesh to the complete enslavement of a person, is it natural and harmonious for you?
              1. hrych
                hrych 26 September 2020 02: 34
                -1
                Quote: Essex62
                What are the deluded?

                In ideological vomiting.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 25 September 2020 08: 55
            -1
            Quote: Essex62
            And the CPSU is only the ghouls you listed? There were no others?

            In general, the CPSU after the 20th Congress is the majority of ghouls, or cowards
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 25 September 2020 12: 11
              +4
              Do you propose to organize a partisan detachment to fight the counter-revolution? Well, so that smart people like you don't call them a coward? So after all, they will call you a gang and destroy you. You won't even have time to tell what you stand for. Or, for the same reason, shoot yourself? You have insulted millions of honest communists. The class struggle ended in the 60s, that's why what happened happened. Khrushchev was not allowed to carry out a coup. The party under early Brezhnev was completely Bolshevik. Hungary and Czechoslovakia have shown this to the fullest. They strangled the counter. But then the grandfathers lost time, not preparing the shift. And the enemy did not doze. August 91st is a standard Masonic flower garden, of which they have piled up a great many around the world.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 25 September 2020 13: 22
                +1
                Quote: Essex62
                Do you propose to organize a partisan detachment to fight the counter-revolution? Well, so that smart people like you don't call them a coward?
                it's too late to extinguish the counter. It is necessary to create a public demand for social justice, maybe
                Quote: Essex62
                You have insulted millions of honest communists.

                honest communists fought on the labor fronts when the nomenklatura, who did not understand the theory, preoccupied with the undercover struggle, established the personality cult.
                Otherwise, I almost agree
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 26 September 2020 01: 11
                  +4
                  For almost 30 years, society has become selfish to such an extent that it has scored any justice. "Me and mine" do not care about the rest. Step on your competitor's head and move on. The principles alien to our people, which the privatizers brought to us, unfortunately, have taken root in the bourgeois RF. This can only be changed by a superstress situation for society. Our people are slowly harnessing, but if they go ... Putin and the extreme, who pose as socialists. The next will take a course towards the complete enslavement of the people. They already do not voice this ambiguously. Examples of statements, effective managers, how they want to equip Russia and who is the population for them as much as they want.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 26 September 2020 04: 43
                    +1
                    + + + +
                    Quote: Essex62
                    For almost 30 years, society has become selfish to such an extent that it has scored any justice

                    - the cult of consumerism.
                    Quote: Essex62
                    The principles alien to our people, which the privatizers brought to us, unfortunately, have taken root in the bourgeois RF.

                    The most interesting thing is that advertising performs the function of ideology. Not a single advertisement advertises a product as such, All of them advertise a lifestyle - BUY !!! BUY NOW PAY LATER! BUY AND HAPPINESS WILL BE !!!
                    1. Essex62
                      Essex62 27 September 2020 10: 23
                      +1
                      Exactly. Introduce it into consciousness, write it down on the subcrust. Grasping reflexes develop, affect the most vulnerable points of a person, an animal in the past. In the history of mankind, it was possible to break it partially only once. We still have to try. Like Chekhov, drop by drop, drop by drop.
                  2. sektant777
                    sektant777 27 September 2020 05: 09
                    0
                    Right! The nomenklotura next to Putin will be bourgeois and hostile to social society.
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 27 September 2020 15: 44
                      0
                      Quote: sektant777
                      and hostile to social society.

                      do not confuse the word social - public, and socialist - for the sake of society.
                      inviolability of private property is a social achievement, free medicine, education are elements of socialism.
          3. hrych
            hrych 26 September 2020 02: 32
            +1
            Did not have. I have listed the main leaders of the Central Committee.
        6. Galleon
          Galleon 25 September 2020 09: 06
          20
          Is it just the top Union, dear bastard?
        7. apro
          apro 25 September 2020 09: 31
          +7
          Quote: hrych
          The national policy of the Bolsheviks would finish off the economy and lead to irreversible consequences for the Great Russians.

          Oh, how ... and the policy of the Russians today does not end Russia? There have been no Bolsheviks for a decade ... and that you have Russian explosion in all directions ... unprecedented growth ... or are you finishing up the Soviet legacy ... and then what will God give?
          1. tatra
            tatra 25 September 2020 10: 06
            0
            And this is such a vile and cowardly ideology of the enemies of the communists who have seized Russia-to slander the Bolshevik-communists, and cowardly to blame and blame those on those for what their enemies have done.
          2. Umalta
            Umalta 25 September 2020 20: 21
            +4
            When I was studying at a university in the 70s, I saw characters in the Komsomol committee, in the student council, in the trade union committee - all without exception are people without morality and honor, who, for the sake of a career, would betray their mother, plus the dean with their school books ran through the departments, putting down the tests and behold today, many of them are managers, deputies are quite successful people, so nothing has changed, with the exception of one people once again shod, turned over and shod again. And to talk about who they are Trotskyists, communists are stupid, they will become even exhibitionists just to get closer to the trough.
            1. Arabfun
              Arabfun 26 September 2020 14: 13
              0
              probably not Russians, patriots have no place to blame for their historical homeland
        8. Malyuta
          Malyuta 25 September 2020 09: 53
          18
          Quote: hrych
          Therefore, the top of the Union, all - a collective Gorbachev.

          It is strange that you cannot see an analogy with what we have now, only in a more perverse and cynical form.
          What the "collective Gorbachev" began to do in 1985 is successfully continued by the same "collective Putin", but they have the same goals and objectives.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 27 September 2020 15: 50
            +1
            Quote: Malyuta
            What the "collective Gorbachev" began to do in 1985 is successfully continued by the same "collective Putin", but they have the same goals and objectives.

            not so gloomy, colleague .... Gorbachev gave everything to the West, for free. Even nuclear raw materials! Putin has rallied the sharks of capitalism around him and uses the state apparatus to make them prosper.
            The goal of hump is like a little lapdog to sneak before the West. it is not clear why. Putin's goal is for friends to use the subsoil and resources. What they have in common is that they don't look further than 5 years, probably.
        9. tatra
          tatra 25 September 2020 09: 59
          -3
          And who did you, critics of the CPSU, spawn? For 30 years you have been imposing some of you in power on the republics of the USSR and their peoples that you have seized, and then you yourself recognize them as bad, but you will never admit your guilt for the fact that you are imposing the devil on your country and people. And in the history of your country, in the pre-revolutionary, Soviet, post-Soviet periods, you do not have a single good leader of your country. You generally have no one and nothing good for your country and people.
        10. BecmepH
          BecmepH 25 September 2020 14: 01
          0
          Quote: hrych
          Full of you

          How many ... slops ...
          And what did you want to say, dear?
          How is the present time different from those times?
        11. Moskal 55
          Moskal 55 25 September 2020 15: 35
          +1
          You really shit at everyone. Are we (and you) innocent? Was everything (always?) Bad in the USSR? Was the collapse necessary? Did you reread your message before sending, or don't you have such a habit?
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 25 September 2020 07: 38
        13
        Gorbachev recalled how he, being at the helm of the USSR, had contacts with Washington in a diplomatic manner, which allowed "to reach an important agreement in the field of disarmament."

        It is surprising that no one reminds him that being at the helm, he destroyed the empire, doomed millions of citizens to devastation and suffering and surrendered everything to the United States for pizza and life in Germany .. Why is he generally allowed to broadcast when it is necessary to judge. ...
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 25 September 2020 14: 14
          +4
          Quote: Svarog
          Why is he even allowed to broadcast when it is necessary to judge.

          99% of citizens who survived the collapse of the Union, with great pleasure, would perpetrate lynching over this utyrk. But nothing, as they say, the smoking room is alive. For some reason the earth is worn by mother, suffers. And this creature, in the entire interview, gives without hesitation, and also receives a not small pension. They say he destroyed the USSR, he didn't manage to finish Russia, so let's go now, the recipe is ready, it has already worked once. No matter how many people try to throw mud at Stalin, he will forever remain in the memory as a man who built the greatest country of working people, never seen before. And this misunderstanding will forever remain in the memory as the person who sold this country for "a bowl of lentil stew."
          1. Arabfun
            Arabfun 26 September 2020 14: 17
            +1
            Therefore, fate protects him so that everyone does not forget, and on his example, children were taught: what is good and what is bad. Life hammers even the most stupid understand, then it will take it.
      3. venik
        venik 25 September 2020 09: 43
        +7
        Quote: Malyuta
        I am very sorry, colleague, but such articles, like donating blood, are better on an empty stomach.

        =========
        I am very sorry, colleague, but I personally read "on an empty stomach" ...... It did not help! Does not matter nauseous!
        PS This is ......, with my "new mЫby whining"it has consistently ruined EVERYTHING it touched: the Komsomol organization, the Krasnodar Territory, agriculture, the Warsaw Pact and finally the USSR! And something else is blathering,"grinder"! am
      4. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 25 September 2020 11: 04
        +6
        Quote: Malyuta
        Quote: samarin1969
        But what is it, just had breakfast ... and then here is "this".

        I am very sorry, colleague, but such articles, like donating blood, are better on an empty stomach.

        When not to read ---- anyway --- guess! He also gives advice to Russia! At least choke
        traitor from his advice.
    2. nnm
      nnm 25 September 2020 06: 35
      10
      You're in luck, colleague. You have had breakfast. And I was not smart enough not to read Gorbachev's newspapers until lunchtime. Now I have no desire for breakfast.
      1. marchcat
        marchcat 25 September 2020 06: 42
        11
        The impression after Gorbachev's words is that Russia for him is only a "testing ground" for his ideas and plans.
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 25 September 2020 08: 25
          16
          Quote: marchcat
          Russia for him is just a "testing ground" for his ideas and designs.

          He has never been a homeland for him, and he lives in Germany, where he is better. Here is a vile type, one word is Judas.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 25 September 2020 09: 07
            +9
            Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
            He has never been a homeland for him, and he lives in Germany, where he is better. Here is a vile type, one word is Judas.

            After False Dmitry, the nickname Mikhail Gorbachev is the most common noun in Russia.
          2. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 25 September 2020 09: 46
            +8
            Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
            He has never been a homeland for him, and he lives in Germany, where he is better. Here is a vile type, one word is Judas.

            He did not stay to live in the rebuilt country, which is a pity ... (zass all !!!)
            And now seeing some kind of becoming again calls to his perverted thinking, JUDAS!
      2. nnm
        nnm 25 September 2020 07: 01
        21
        First, I thought about the time loop in which Gorbachev found himself, calling to RETURN to NEW thinking, and then he was not too lazy and refreshed the main postulates of that policy:
        - refusal to confront the United States
        - dissolution of the Warsaw Pact
        - disarmament, the conclusion of onerous treaties for the USSR
        - rejection of the socialist system
        that is, all the main points that destroyed the USSR.
        And then I have a question, if, as Einstein said, the greatest stupidity is to do the same and hope for a different option, and Misha is definitely not a fool, then what makes him think that the fate of the USSR will not befall Russia? And it turns out that this proposal is not stupidity, but another round of his deliberate actions to destroy the country?
        By the way, he also supported the Belarusian regime's rogues there (which reminded me of the analogy about his drain of our security forces in the Baltic States).
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 25 September 2020 07: 21
          24
          Quote: nnm
          that is, all the main points that destroyed the USSR.

          I am very sorry, colleague, but your view of the collapse of the USSR is too superficial.
          You have listed the consequences.
          First of all, Gorbachev undermined the Soviet ideology and then the Soviet economy.
          Together with Idushka Yakovlev, he hit on basic fundamental things. Self-financing, "cooperative movement", "anti-alcohol company" - nurtured the shadow market and a simultaneous blow to the brains of the terry anti-Soviet.
          That's where the reasons are.
          1. nnm
            nnm 25 September 2020 07: 44
            +8
            Quote: Malyuta
            You have listed the consequences.
            First of all, Gorbachev carried out undermining

            It's like that. Just so as not to write for a long time, I combined it into a clause on the rejection of the socialist system hi
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 25 September 2020 08: 02
              12
              Quote: nnm
              Just so as not to write for a long time, I combined it into a clause on the rejection of the socialist system

              That is the point that the formal rejection of the social. There was no path of development, but a fertile soil for Ebnoputinism was created and a whole galaxy of mrazota was cultivated, which under Soviet power was quite a gray and seemingly loyal stratum.
              And the people .. and what about the people? The people really did not understand where they were being dragged, many still have it in their heads that the chief executive is a socialist and an imperial. Tin!
              1. nnm
                nnm 25 September 2020 08: 17
                +6
                Well, do not tell me, in his work on this thinking in 87, he proposed to abandon the resolution of the XX Congress regarding the confrontation between the two ideological systems, plus he called for the rejection of class division.
                But after that, cooperatives, etc., followed. That is, it was private property and management methods that were not the cause, but the consequence of his program
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 25 September 2020 09: 19
                  +7
                  Quote: nnm
                  That is, it was private property and management methods that were not the cause, but the consequence of his program

                  Correctly - "effect", and the reason began immediately after the October Revolution, the world of capital began a struggle against the new socialist state, and when capital found its adept in the person of M. Gorbachev, then the reason turned into an effect, "the Moor did his job", the Moor left handing over to another adept Eltsin to finish the dirty work.
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 25 September 2020 09: 33
                    +7
                    Well, now before my eyes there is also Yeltsin's call to Bush with a joyful report on the collapse of the Union ...
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 25 September 2020 10: 03
                      +3
                      Quote: nnm
                      now there is also Yeltsin's call to Bush with a joyful report on the collapse of the Soviet Union.

                      Two US protégés did the dirty work, which even Hitler was unable to do, and happily reported to the owner, although Mitsik was not even allowed to report it (the used contraceptive, but Boryusik was allowed to report, was needed for now.
                      But for betrayal, these two homosapiens received a good sugar bone, and even the meat was not cut from them.
                      And now, after 30 years, Mikik sings the same psalms again, but the descendants of Uncle Sam serve the poor only once.
                2. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 25 September 2020 09: 45
                  14
                  Quote: nnm
                  on the other hand, it was private property and business methods that were not the cause, but the consequence of his program

                  I'm talking about the same, there was a forward blow to ideology:
                  "We will hit Lenin with Lenin, then with Plekhanov with Lenin, and then with all revolutionism in general." - A.N. Yakovlev.
                  So much for the bloody Stalin and the sealed carriage, and the first concentration camps .., the "light" magazine, the "vzglyad" program, yellow rags and gazpadya okhfitsery ... well, the buildup of gebnya (I do not mean the true security officers) of nationalism in the republics.
                  On the other hand, the shadow turnover of liquor, cooperatives and the first millionaires (borovoy)
                3. Titus_2
                  Titus_2 25 September 2020 12: 00
                  +1
                  But I remembered an anecdote from those years. Humpy meets Margaret Thatcher and it comes to closeness with them, he touches her chest and says; you were able to feed the whole small britain, and she responded with how you pod the whole USSR about ... al.
        2. stalki
          stalki 25 September 2020 07: 22
          +3
          And then I have a question, if, as Einstein said, the greatest stupidity is to do the same and hope for a different option, and Misha is definitely not a fool, then what makes him think that the fate of the USSR will not befall Russia? And it turns out that this proposal is not stupidity, but another round of his deliberate actions to destroy the country?
          If it is again for the old, in its sounding "new", then we are doing everything right. This is an indicator that the swordsman has lost control of the situation in the world.
        3. Arabfun
          Arabfun 26 September 2020 14: 24
          +2
          The Soviet Union was not a sect, although the people were accused of atheism, but they were strong in spirit and spoke the truth to the face of the enemies and the people. And now the enemies are partners. Capitalism is the worst religion and opium for the people. And Gorbachev is a false messiah, the Antichrist, so it's clearer
      3. Old jew
        Old jew 25 September 2020 07: 02
        +9
        I read the comments. The people are adequate, I support what I have said. You can have breakfast. And about Gorbachev .... It's a pity that everything does not open immediately, some time later. Therefore, we need a system for the selection and training of personnel. We need an ideology and a theory of development.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 25 September 2020 08: 26
          +3
          And what will the ideology be based on? The development strategy follows from this. Is there no ideology now? The ideology of enrichment by any means, pumping funds into a personal purse, from the budget of the pipe and the population. And the cadres are being raised accordingly. The HSE Gadyushnik is churning out thousands of Chubais. Yes, even the priests forgot to put it in the line.
          Everything, in the bourgeois Russian Federation, there is an ideology and cadres for it.
          1. Arabfun
            Arabfun 26 September 2020 14: 26
            +1
            Ideology on what? On the truth, not denying the existence of a devil who wants to destroy the Russian Federation.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 26 September 2020 18: 32
              0
              Not understood. They always wanted to destroy Russia. We are alien and incomprehensible to the West. Most of those who scooped a handful of gold in the service of the reformer king considered him a jerk and a barbarian. All our history they are trying to strangle us. Only ideology is not built on confrontation with the devil. And on the fact of the defeat of this devil in an extreme war with him. And the truth is that in Russia a class society is growing again. The absence of a constant class struggle, as in countries near the devil, by the way, will very quickly lead to this. There they have, so as not to finally enslave the population constantly bucks up and keeps the authorities in good shape and even in fear. Not globally, of course, the puppeteers are afraid. But all sorts of presidents, officials, marines are quite successfully pressed. And we are running around with this bulk fool, creating an appearance, the GDP will go away and they will stop doing it.
      4. Doccor18
        Doccor18 25 September 2020 07: 22
        +6
        Gorbachev: It would be reasonable for Russia ...

        It was wise for Gorbachev to be silent, and not to shine, once and for all ... This Iu has already received his handful of silversmiths.
    3. Pravodel
      Pravodel 25 September 2020 06: 54
      12
      But what is it, just had breakfast ... and then here is "this".

      Senile dementia is common in old age. Here, it seems, a complete liquefaction of the brain, I even forgot what, together with his accomplice Yakovlev, he did with the union ... Now he is giving advice on the structure of Russia. Better to let him go to the USA and there he helps with advice to Trump or Biden. The latter certainly needs his advice.
    4. Deniska999
      Deniska999 25 September 2020 06: 55
      -4
      Morning five-minute hate is open)
      1. Arabfun
        Arabfun 26 September 2020 14: 28
        0
        We are no longer in the USSR, we live under capitalism, In democracy. And this is called freedom of speech. So much for democracy.
    5. RealPilot
      RealPilot 25 September 2020 07: 11
      +7
      Yeah ... Whose cow would bellow! negative

      They got the old man to make fun of naphthalene. But no one pulls the tongue, would live quietly and not fonil!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 25 September 2020 07: 18
        14
        mate is prohibited, "stars" too, how to comment ...? as the Great A. Papanov said, in a "diamond hand" ... you know ... "... so that you ... so that I can see you in a coffin in white slippers ..." cattle ... ruined my country, and still lives! Ugh ... let the dogs piss on your grave, "tagged" stockyard ... ugh ... I said it all. 9 warnings ... ban ... IT WAS WORTH IT.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 25 September 2020 07: 24
        +9
        Quote: RealPilot
        But no one pulls the tongue, would live quietly and not fonil!

        Does not work! Looks like denyuzhki in his fund are over. We have to act to get a pretty penny. Otherwise they will be thrown out of Germany into Russia. And here the "grateful people" ........
    6. German Titov
      German Titov 25 September 2020 07: 29
      +2
      And I didn't have time. Now the appetite has disappeared, looking at the face.
    7. tagil
      tagil 25 September 2020 08: 34
      +4
      I hope you've already digested breakfast. Commenting on what is happening in Belarus He said that he was closely following the situation in the republic and praised those who were dissatisfied with Alexander Lukashenko. I hope I won't ruin your lunch.
    8. Clear
      Clear 25 September 2020 08: 56
      +6
      Gorbachev: It would be wise for Russia to return to new political thinking

      Oh my god belay Again Gorby begins to sow the seeds of hatred.
      Now, if the traitor Vlasov had not been hanged, he would again begin to prove that the Third Reich brought liberation to the peoples of the USSR.
    9. Vend
      Vend 25 September 2020 10: 15
      +1
      According to the former president of the USSR, “it is wise for Moscow to return to new political thinking
      We, as in the 90s, flourished a new political thinking, we still disentangle it. Would shut up and not shine.
    10. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 25 September 2020 12: 36
      +1
      He "made contact" ... Maybe he capitulated after all? Well, you don't need a mind for that ...
    11. Russian Bear_2
      Russian Bear_2 26 September 2020 17: 29
      +1
      Such things cannot be read after breakfast.
  2. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 September 2020 06: 17
    21
    This clown has already shown what he is worth once, the whole country does not wake up. What's your bastard again? I would have thought what would happen to his grave, scum.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 25 September 2020 16: 14
      +1
      I would have thought what would happen to his grave, scum.

      Nothing will happen. She will be in Germany.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 25 September 2020 19: 54
        0
        There are also quite a few Russians in Germany, so they will thank this scum for his deeds.
        1. Arabfun
          Arabfun 26 September 2020 19: 33
          0
          Anecdote about bulk, sent to eliminate the squeak .. unexpected version
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 September 2020 06: 17
    16
    Gorbachev
    Is it still crawling? angry "invented", goat, still buzzes around in Russia. angry
  4. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 25 September 2020 06: 17
    13
    Yes, the old man has insanity, but he still thinks what means something.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 25 September 2020 06: 28
      19
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Yes, the old man has insanity, but he still thinks what means something.

      However, dmitry anatolich and vladimir vladimirych continue to reward this guy with orders for services, and this does not surprise me personally. Who would these gazpadya be if it weren't for the sergeich waving.
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 25 September 2020 11: 21
        +2
        Who would these gazpadya be if it weren't for the sergeich waving.

        Vladimir Vladimirovich would have sat in a white panama hat on the porch in an armchair. At my dacha, the colonel's retirement ... I would listen to the radio or a neighbor, I would eat Cahors ...
  5. Alex66
    Alex66 25 September 2020 06: 19
    12
    As long as people like Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev will be rewarded instead of saying about the harm that they caused, we will not be able to develop. There was no new thinking, Gorby had a policy akin to appeasement of Hitler before WW2.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 September 2020 07: 22
      +4
      Quote: Alex66
      As long as people like Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev will be rewarded instead of saying about the harm that they caused, we will not be able to develop. There was no new thinking, Gorby had a policy akin to appeasement of Hitler before WW2.

      the dog does not bite the breastfeeding hand.
  6. askort154
    askort154 25 September 2020 06: 19
    13
    This is not a man. This is a monster marked by the devil. When ...? !
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 September 2020 07: 24
      +5
      Quote: askort154
      This is not a man. This is a monster marked by the devil. When ...? !

      Celebration ...? We are waiting ... and they also say that God exists ... he has a strange sense of humor ...
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 25 September 2020 11: 25
        +1
        Some are not needed by God ...
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 25 September 2020 10: 34
      +2
      It infuriates that good people die and such people still exist, you will have to hammer an aspen stake into it when it dies.
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  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 September 2020 06: 21
    +8
    This figure would have been silent .. his thinking was new ... Something after his rule did not stay in the Russian Federation with a new thinking, sown by him, but dumped to the west. There, and implement your ideas ...
  9. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 25 September 2020 06: 22
    13
    A pig that escaped abroad !!!
    Why didn't you stay in your homeland and eat the fruits of your reforms ?!
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 25 September 2020 06: 41
      +8
      Duc, afraid of drowning in spitting.
  10. Ali
    Ali 25 September 2020 06: 23
    +6
    Tagged bastard! Traitor to the interests of the Motherland! God marks rogue!
  11. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 25 September 2020 06: 26
    +8
    So once having signed a contract with the devil, a person is doomed to do evil until his death. No one needs this outcast Gorby.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 September 2020 07: 42
      +2
      Quote: 7,62x54
      No one needs this outcast Gorby.

      not true .. it is necessary, and Yeltsin is needed ... you know who loves and honors them, and wears flowers.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 25 September 2020 07: 48
        +2
        They are needed as compost.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 25 September 2020 06: 26
    +9
    No words, it means pi pi pi pi ........
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 September 2020 08: 56
      +4
      And after all, he does not want to repent, but more and more pi pi ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 September 2020 09: 14
        +2
        Hi soldier
        And what can you expect from such .... narcissistic svo about pi pi pi!
        Unfortunately, such people strive to power very actively ... and break through.
        now, however, somewhat differently. Such people are moved to power by very serious guys who have enough resources and competent assistants, they should move such personnel to the top, and then, it is easy to manage them!
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 September 2020 12: 27
          +5
          Good time! hi
          It's a difficult question, why isn't it pushed in? it means only one thing, that there are those in power who need him for something else.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 September 2020 12: 37
            +3
            Always the same thing - look for someone who benefits!
            If you can't see them ... look better!
            1. cniza
              cniza 25 September 2020 12: 59
              +3
              Here he and the United States are beneficial to someone here, in general, they are preparing for our elections and are preparing very seriously, these are trial balloons so far.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 25 September 2020 13: 13
                +2
                Yes, they are preparing. It's more difficult to arrange fun here ... but maybe our upper ones can contribute! Not everything is in order there either!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 25 September 2020 13: 59
                  +3
                  That's just the point, there are enough of those who want to rock the situation ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 25 September 2020 14: 23
                    +2
                    Those who are willing and able, if they do not break off their horns in time!
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 25 September 2020 15: 06
                      +3
                      Here we need to work ahead of the curve, I hope that the work is going on, but if they oversleep again, there will be a lot of unpleasant things ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 25 September 2020 18: 05
                        +2
                        Hope for the best, get ready .... as usual!
                        We have big people flying over our heads! I just flew. soldier
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 25 September 2020 18: 37
                        +3
                        And we do not expect anything else - we will not die alive ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 25 September 2020 06: 29
    +8
    Michel, it took some money, so he gives an interview about new thinking with an emphasis on the first syllable ... laughing How many gave ... laughing
  • 1976AG
    1976AG 25 September 2020 06: 30
    +9
    Russia will not survive another such thinking.
  • Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 25 September 2020 06: 31
    +7
    and this Mikhail Gorbachev uses the term familiar to himself, which he actively used back in the 80s of the last century


  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 25 September 2020 06: 34
    +7
    What a pitiful creature, just disgust arises at the sight of him. A stupid, weak-willed little man, being the secretary general, did not even have enough mind to fill his pockets, and had to beg for pizza advertising. He also advises. Advise your raike, roasting in one pot.
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  • Olfred
    Olfred 25 September 2020 06: 37
    11

    Gorbachev recalled how he, being at the helm of the USSR, had contacts with Washington in a diplomatic manner, which allowed "to reach an important agreement in the field of disarmament."

    It would be better if this Judas did not remind how at one time it was because of him that planes, rockets were cut, and ships were put on pins and needles ... Already quite old, the coast has beguiled
    hi
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 25 September 2020 06: 57
      +5
      This creature, and at a younger age, confused the coast. So much so that if our world were fair, it would have long dangled on a rope.
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 25 September 2020 06: 38
    +5
    This p r and dur about to still not calm down.
  • 1536
    1536 25 September 2020 06: 39
    +8
    In Russia, it has always been a wise decision to anathematize such characters, along with all their "thoughts".
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 September 2020 06: 44
    12
    How much longer will he smoke the sky? It seems that even hell refuses to take this "lazy mouse" ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 September 2020 06: 53
      10
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      It seems that even hell refuses to take this "lazy mouse" ...

      Hell also does not want perestroika. So they left it to us. Everyone hopes that there is an ice ax
  • baza1
    baza1 25 September 2020 06: 53
    +7
    Even remembering him is disgusting, but here such fabrications. Pfu!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 September 2020 06: 54
    +5
    It would be wise for the Tagged One to shut up and not shine. Old senile!
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 25 September 2020 07: 00
    +4
    "New political thinking" of capitalism with a human face and this is the face of the traitor Gorbachev.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 25 September 2020 07: 11
    +4
    Humpback decided to earn extra money. Handing out interviews left and right.
    On his hands is the blood of all those who died and are dying from the results of their actions. The blood of Nagorno-Karabakh, Tajiks, Armenians, Donbas, Ukrainians among them.
  • alekc75
    alekc75 25 September 2020 07: 11
    +4
    when will this one die in writhing ???
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 25 September 2020 07: 13
    +7
    Gorbachev: It would be wise for Russia to return to new political thinking
    It would be wise for Russia to return the death penalty for treason. angry
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 September 2020 07: 27
      +7
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      It would be wise for Russia to return the death penalty for treason.

      And not only for treason. By the way, in "the most democratic states of the USA" nobody canceled this execution.
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 25 September 2020 07: 15
    +5
    A very valuable opinion of the traitor to the Motherland, Gorbachert.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 25 September 2020 07: 22
    +1
    Yes, you have already achieved a lot, Hero Gorbachev, thanks to your thinking. Do you need advice?
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 25 September 2020 07: 23
    +5
    He's still alive ... yes, it's time for him to get used to the ground, but he keeps yapping.
  • Mimino
    Mimino 25 September 2020 07: 27
    +2
    Oh, the perestroika spotlight has hatched!
  • v_bueff
    v_bueff 25 September 2020 07: 28
    +4
    Steam roller and asphalt.
  • krops777
    krops777 25 September 2020 07: 33
    +4
    Gorbachev: It would be wise for Russia to return to new political thinking



    Misha, you've already thought so once, the USSR collapsed, you want Russia to disappear into oblivion.
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 25 September 2020 07: 36
    +4
    The United States pulled even this bankrupt and traitor out of the political closet in order to somehow influence Russia.
    I immediately remembered:
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 25 September 2020 07: 38
    +7
    In the twentieth century, Russia had three biggest troubles:
    Civil War, Hitler's Attack and Mikhail Sergeevich.
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 25 September 2020 08: 22
      -1
      Forgot the revolution of 1917. There would have been no civil war and, possibly, Hitler's attack. Russia would have remained an empire, not torn apart by Lenin under the dictatorship of a bloody communist regime.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 25 September 2020 10: 00
        -2
        If there had not been a betrayal of the emperor's entourage, the revolution would have been strangled and the guilty were sent to Siberia or shot under the law of wartime.
        The emperor interfered with the country's elites and they betrayed him. Thus, they essentially sawed down the branch on which they were sitting, but that's another story.
    2. tatra
      tatra 25 September 2020 10: 22
      +1
      And all these 3 troubles from external and internal enemies of the Soviet power, who, after the capture of the USSR, declared themselves "in nothing and never guilty", and blamed for their crimes on the Soviet government.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 25 September 2020 07: 45
    +1
    Then it is necessary to stir up the new privatization. Vouchers to issue.
  • g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 25 September 2020 07: 53
    +1
    It would be wise for Russia not to listen to other people's advice anymore.
    Advised right up to the collapse of the USSR. No, eat "this" yourself.
  • fif21
    fif21 25 September 2020 07: 54
    +3
    Was it not this political character that Rockefeller was talking about when he snotted about the incorruptibility of the GDP? You hunchback ...... an untranslatable play on obscene words. hi
  • K-50
    K-50 25 September 2020 07: 56
    +2
    Behind yourself this "new thinking" hammer, flat, so that your head does not swing?
    Once already "on thought", well, it nafig !!! am
    It is surprising that the author of "new thinking" has not yet been put up against the wall as a traitor !!! am
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  • IgorIP
    IgorIP 25 September 2020 08: 13
    +2
    Burn in hell, tagged!
  • unhappy
    unhappy 25 September 2020 08: 13
    +3
    In just a couple of hours, 70 buckets of slop were poured onto the marked one laughing
    He likes...
  • 2112vda
    2112vda 25 September 2020 08: 15
    +2
    Can a humpback be placed in the Charité too? There they will again find dioxin or "Novice", although it will be clear from what this old man is talking nonsense.
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 25 September 2020 08: 24
    +2
    The man who destroyed his own country gives advice on the state structure ... He did not become smarter.
    Although this is history, there is, however, one thing. Gorbachev is an example where the concentration of power in the hands of one (small group) person can lead to adverse / catastrophic consequences. If this person does not have the qualities and talents of a statesman, he is cut off from reality by his environment, which has its own goals. It is no coincidence that there is practice in prosperous countries - it is necessary to change the top, until it seizes all the strings of power and begins to abuse it for the sake of this power itself and, of course, money. That is why they are safe, these countries. And it is necessary to create conditions for the formation of a political and economic elite, which will realize the need to develop their own country in all its aspects. What is there? And there are officials in power whose thoughts revolve about sawing and their money in the West. There are oligarchs who have thoughts about cuts, assets for milking the country and the population, and money in the West.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 25 September 2020 08: 31
      0
      Quote: sevtrash
      It is no coincidence that there is a practice in prosperous countries - it is necessary to change the top,

      How to change?
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 25 September 2020 08: 36
        0
        Quote: bober1982
        How to change?

        Choices, of course. Democratic, so far nothing better has been invented. But for this a political life must be created with different parties, which would be united in one thing - the well-being of the economy of their own state and their people. Education of the elites. Not puppet parties and candidates.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 25 September 2020 08: 43
          +1
          Quote: sevtrash
          Democratic

          But, after all, such elections do not exist - one deception, even in the so-called prosperous countries you mentioned.
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 25 September 2020 08: 54
            0
            Quote: bober1982
            But, after all, such elections do not exist - one deception, even in the so-called prosperous countries you mentioned.

            Take the most controversial country in the West - the United States, Trump's election, and not Clinton did not show the possibility of choice? Yes, from a set of certain politicians, but look how the US Senate put Trump's policies in a rigid framework, according to the current idea of ​​the correct policy of the political and economic elite. The odious Trump was democratically elected, but his odiousness is constrained by another component of the democratic system. Will not clear up, if that.
            And most importantly - where do they live best? Yes, where you think that "one deception". Such an interesting "deception". And people live well and are happy. And somewhere everything is fair and in terms of concepts. By definition, billions are being sawed, money is being spent on projects that are useless for the country, without forgetting to cut, of course. Everything is fair.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 25 September 2020 09: 39
              +1
              Quote: sevtrash
              Odious Trump was democratically elected

              Why is he odious? And, he was appointed, what kind of democratic elections can there be?
              1. sevtrash
                sevtrash 25 September 2020 10: 06
                0
                Quote: bober1982
                Why is he odious? And, he was appointed, what kind of democratic elections can there be?

                You seem to have an odious idea of ​​democracy). hi
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 25 September 2020 10: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: sevtrash
                  You seem to have an odious idea of ​​democracy

                  Yes it is.
                  And, my respect for you.
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 25 September 2020 08: 34
    +1
    I would sit ... and not star ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 September 2020 08: 54
      +4
      Apparently they do not give, they demand to work out.
      1. Clear
        Clear 25 September 2020 10: 20
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        Apparently they do not give, they demand to work out.

        Yes, otherwise the compromising material will be made public
        love
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 September 2020 12: 28
          +4
          There is not just dirt, there you can say a contract for the performance of work ...
  • Walking
    Walking 25 September 2020 08: 39
    +2
    He got out again, he couldn't calm down, he also gives advice. It would be better to go to the monastery to hush up sins.
    1. solzh
      solzh 25 September 2020 15: 18
      12
      Quote: Hiking
      It would be better to go to the monastery to hush up sins.

      He will never atone for his sins, no matter how hard he tries.
  • AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 25 September 2020 08: 39
    0
    I propose to extradite to Russia. Let him live in Russia, learn a lot. good
  • ciujoilu
    ciujoilu 25 September 2020 08: 47
    +1
    It would be better not to contact
  • cniza
    cniza 25 September 2020 08: 47
    +3
    Gorbachev: It would be wise for Russia to return to new political thinking


    God forbid us ... I would have been sitting quietly living out my life, but apparently the owner makes me talk.
  • Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 25 September 2020 08: 53
    +2
    A traitor of all times and all nations emerged from a political grave
  • IgorIP
    IgorIP 25 September 2020 08: 55
    +1
    Nothing ... This creature will also have a hump center.