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XNUMXth century history: the American Holodomor

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USA. 1930s



The era of Soviet industrialization is today extremely reluctant to be explored by venerable historians and economists. It has become fashionable to refer to this topic only when it is necessary to once again link the industrial and economic breakthrough of the USSR with the so-called Stalinist repressions. The message used is often this: if it were not for the labor of prisoners, the Soviet Union would never have built what it built - factories, factories, mining and processing enterprises, defense industry infrastructure, etc.

Another favorite theme of liberal historians is the famine with which "Stalin plagued the Ukrainians." In Ukrainian historiography, this phenomenon is known as the "Holodomor", and the emphasis is on the fact that only Ukrainians were starving. As if there were no problems with food on the Volga, in Kazakhstan, Siberia, and other regions of the USSR.

If we consider the situation in the 30s of the XX century in the world, then liberal historians should recall an important detail: famine then swept not only in the Land of the Soviets. The epicenter of the famine, if not to talk about the countries of Africa, then was not the USSR at all, but the United States of America.

The Great Depression that erupted in the United States left millions of Americans impoverished. And while some "fattened", trying to increase their own capital on major problems, others did not have the opportunity to purchase basic food products. And all this against the background of the fact that millions of tons of unsold products have accumulated in American warehouses. Demand lagged behind supply at times, which caused an economic tsunami overseas. Such an American famine ...

The events in the USA in the 1930s are described in a video that aired on the Kitaev. Economy". The publication is from 2017, however, the described facts have by no means lost their information relevance:

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  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 24 September 2020 18: 23
    17
    And while some were "fattening", trying to increase their own capital on big problems, others did not have the opportunity to purchase basic food

    And it’s always like that - some have empty cabbage soup, and some have small pearls. Capitalism ..
    1. Don karleone
      Don karleone 24 September 2020 18: 25
      +9
      People die during the Holodomor, ordinary people, they are scared and it does not matter in which country
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 25 September 2020 00: 38
        0
        Just fairy tales for someone, and for someone they picked up crumbs with the reflex of dad-mom. Don't let the dog fall, about this
    2. solzh
      solzh 24 September 2020 23: 02
      18
      Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
      it is always like that - some have empty cabbage soup, and some have small pearls.

      Under capitalism, "pearl and diamond gaspads" do not care about the common people. For them, the main thing is not society, but their capital ...
  2. Pavel57
    Pavel57 24 September 2020 18: 28
    16
    In which country is the American Holodomor mentioned in history books?
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 September 2020 19: 31
      -14 qualifying.
      Probably not in any
      ... Value
      outdated, simple. rampant, mass death, epidemic
      Comes from praslav. * morъ, from the cat. among other things happened: Old Russian, Old Slav. mor (λοιμός; θάνατος; Sup.), Russian. pestilence, Ukrainian. mor (genus n. moru), belor. mor, bulg. morъt, Serbo-Horv. sea ​​"dying", Slovenian mór (genus móra), Czech. mor, Polish. mór (genus moru), v.-puddles. mór (genus mora). Connected by alternation with * merti (die, dead).

      There was famine in the States, but there were no mass deaths from hunger as a significant phenomenon. Therefore, the title of the article is just a rigging.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 24 September 2020 20: 24
        15
        Quote: Avior
        There was famine in the States, but there were no mass deaths from hunger as a significant phenomenon.

        Yah? You are wrong!
        "Holodomor for external use" (lat)
        Fake statistics, or Where are seven million people? Trying to look at the official US demographic statistics is staggering from the start: the statistics for 1932 are destroyed - or very well hidden. ** They just don't exist. Without explanation. Yes, they appear later, in more recent statistics, in the form of retrospective tables. The study of these tables also leads the attentive researcher to some amazement. Firstly, according to American statistics, over the decade from 1931 to 1940, according to the dynamics of population growth, the United States lost no less than 8 million 553 thousand people, and the population growth rates change immediately. at the same time, two (!) times exactly at the turn of 1930/31, they fall and freeze at this level for exactly ten years. And just as unexpectedly, after a decade, they return to their previous values. There is no explanation for this in the vast, hundreds of pages, text of the US Department of commerce report "Statistical Abstract of the United States", although it is filled with explanations on other issues that are not even worth mentioning compared to the above. The question is simply bypassed by the default figure. ... There is no such question. Any responsible demographer will tell you that a one-time double change in the indicators of population dynamics in a huge country of XNUMX million is possible only as a result of mass loss of life.
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 September 2020 21: 13
          -15 qualifying.
          Uh-huh. There are not 7 million people who died of hunger in Shyat, not 1 million, not one hundred thousand. There is none of them.
          And there is no evidence that there was.
          For a long time this clumsy invention of a certain Borisov about alleged mass deaths from hunger in the States has been debunked on the Internet to the bone.
          Even in the midst of the struggle with America, they did not think of such a primitive invention in the USSR.

          ... Trying to look at the official US demographic statistics is staggering from the outset: the statistics for 1932 have been destroyed - or very well hidden. ** They just don't exist. Without explanation.


          Uh-huh. Borisov simply lost his head, since statistics at that time were published in the United States with a delay of two years due to imperfect information processing methods

          Forget it. It has long been known that this is a frank invention, and in fact, the population of the States has grown by 9 million people over these ten years, and life expectancy in that very 1932 has grown.
          ... 1930 ........... 1 343 356 2 203 058
          1931 ........... 1 322 587 2 112 700
          1932 ........... 1 308 520 2 074 042
          1933 ............ 1 312 106 2 081 232
          1934 ........... 1 396 903 2 107 030
          1935 ........... 1 392 752 2 165 105
          1936 ........... 1 479 228 2 144 700
          1937 ............ 1 460 427 2 203 337
          1938 ........... 1 381 391 2 280 902
          1939 ............ 1 387 697 2 205 588
          Total: 13 784 967 21 577 694
          1. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 25 September 2020 05: 11
            +6
            As you know, paper will endure everything ...
          2. nickname7
            nickname7 13 November 2020 20: 45
            0
            The depression left a memory of itself through the roads that Roosevelt organized, with the help of labor camps.
            In the depression, food was destroyed in the United States, this is a recorded historical fact, since under capitalism you can only buy it, you cannot give it for free, otherwise prices and profits will fall, you cannot pay, die, food that you did not buy was taken out to sea and drowned. Those who did not fit into the market died.

            Here is a link to the BBS that topic is the destruction of food, and so
            https://www.bbc.com/russian/russia/2015/08/150806_history_of_food_destruction

            In the United States, during the Great Depression in the 1930s, the authorities decided not only to restrict farm production, but also to destroy crops so that food prices did not fall.

            In 1933, a law was passed under which farmers were paid subsidies to reduce production and destroy surplus production. This move caused protests, because many people were starving then.

            In 1933 alone, the government acquired 6 million pigs and destroyed them.

            "People come with nets to catch potatoes from the river, but the guards drive them away; they come in rattling cars for discarded oranges, but the kerosene has already done its job. And they stand in a daze and look at the potatoes floating by, hear the screeching of pigs being slaughtered and fall asleep with lime in the ditches, look at the orange mountains, along which landslides of a fetid slurry slide down, "- wrote about this period John Steinbeck in the novel" The Grapes of Wrath ".
            1. Avior
              Avior 13 November 2020 21: 39
              +1
              Giving away for free is completely bankrupting farmers who were in a difficult situation after the First World War due to a shrinking food market.
              And who told you that severely starving people who arrived in cars were catching potatoes?
              It would be squeezed out even now, why not catch it.
              Tomorrow it would be sold in the markets.
              What you are describing began long before the depression in the United States.
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 25 September 2020 15: 20
        -6
        Quote: Avior
        There was famine in the States, but there were no mass deaths from hunger as a significant phenomenon. Therefore, the title of the article is just a rigging.

        But now I support you with a plus, do not keep us here for suckers hi
      3. Mwg
        Mwg 28 September 2020 09: 44
        +1
        Yes! And there is! And the Indians in the United States were not driven to the reservation, they drove themselves there and how let's die out. And the US did not drop an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, they blew themselves up. And in Vietnam they were not, and in Korea, and Iraq, they did not enter. Everything, everything is rigged.
    2. militarist63
      militarist63 27 September 2020 02: 51
      0
      And not in any! ..... request
    3. Mwg
      Mwg 28 September 2020 09: 40
      +1
      Say what you like, but there are fans for the American "democracy" on the site, otherwise what explains the minus that was put in the commentary by Pavel57
  3. nnm
    nnm 24 September 2020 18: 35
    12
    Strongly against the Ukrainian term "Holodomor", into which they are now trying to cram the Russians to blame for the deaths of Ukrainians. Precisely - the famine of the 30s. Common to many regions of the USSR.
    Because, how to "starve" is a verb. So, there is someone who does it.
    1. tatra
      tatra 24 September 2020 18: 54
      13
      The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR, in the West, in Europe, everything is strictly according to the manuals that are beneficial to them for their nefarious and criminal purposes, not the slightest deviation. Now, if there is famine in the capitalist countries of the world, including the Russian Empire, in the countries that fell under the United States, then this is "natural" for them, no big deal. But if famine in countries where dissidents are in power, including the communists of the USSR and China, the DPRK authorities, they immediately, with their hypocritical "philanthropy" and "righteous anger", begin to scream "yes, this is a crime of power, genocide, famine", and trying to get more - to throw more on the number of those who died of hunger.
  4. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 24 September 2020 18: 59
    11
    Yes, everything is simple - in the "correct" textbooks - the Great Famine in the USSR and the Great Depression in the United States are regarded as a "crime of the regime" and "a natural phenomenon", respectively. In terms of the information war, talking about the first comme il faut is politically correct, but about the second, in the same accusatory vein, it is dangerous. To be honest, I'm afraid of the second Great Depression in the United States - the first one is too much connected with the Second World War ..
    1. cradle
      cradle 28 September 2020 11: 51
      0
      Don't be afraid - there won't be two deaths, and one cannot be avoided.
  5. AML
    AML 24 September 2020 19: 36
    +3
    But someone was trying to find a common factor. After all, half the world was really starving. What was it? Cooling, warming? I heard a version that there was some kind of red midge that beat the grain harvest. And that's also strange. Did the diet consist entirely of bread?
    1. tatra
      tatra 24 September 2020 19: 40
      16
      Well, in the US, the bourgeoisie deliberately destroyed food.
      John Steinbeck. "The Grapes of Wrath"
      ... Whole wagons of oranges are poured onto the ground. People travel several miles to pick up discarded fruit, but this is completely unacceptable! Who will pay twenty cents a dozen for oranges when you can go out of town and get them for free? And the orange mountains are poured with kerosene from a hose, and those who do this hate themselves for such a crime, hate people who come to pick up fruit. Millions of the hungry need fruit, and the golden mountains are poured with kerosene. And the smell of decay rises over the country.
      Burn coffee in steamer furnaces. Burn corn instead of firewood - it burns hot. Drop potatoes into rivers and guard along the coast, otherwise the hungry will catch everything. Cut pigs and dig carcasses into the ground, and let the earth become saturated with rot.
      This is a crime that has no name. It is a grief that cannot be measured by any tears. This is a defeat that crushes all our successes. Fertile land, straight rows of trees, strong trunks and juicy fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die, because oranges are not profitable. And the investigators must issue certificates: death as a result of malnutrition, because the food must rot, because it is intentionally rotted.
      People come with nets to catch potatoes from the river, but the guards drive them away; they arrive in rattling cars for discarded oranges, but kerosene has already done its job. And they stand in a daze and look at the potatoes floating by, hear the screech of pigs, which they cut and fill with lime in the ditches, look at the orange mountains, on which the landslides of the fetid slush come down; and in the eyes of people defeat; angry is ripening in the eyes of the hungry.
      1. AML
        AML 24 September 2020 19: 45
        +3
        Ox, was not particularly interested in this issue, but impressive. This is how to love money.
      2. nnm
        nnm 24 September 2020 20: 04
        +7
        Tatra, let me remind you about corn from "Gone with the Wind"))))
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 25 September 2020 18: 02
      0
      Quote: AML
      ... Did the diet consist entirely of bread?

      Of course not! laughing besides bread, there are buns, bagels, pasta, noodles, dumplings, dumplings, manti, pies, chebureks, and a great many other products. But a grain of wheat is the basis.
      And the famine in the USSR is actually the result of the mistakes of collectivization. The huge gap between theory and practice, the darkness of the performers.
    3. Mwg
      Mwg 28 September 2020 09: 50
      0
      It was just large-scale financial scams in the food and industrial world markets + the final takeover of power around the world by the financial elite
  6. Cowbra
    Cowbra 24 September 2020 20: 15
    -23 qualifying.
    Awesomely empty article, just nothing! Fir-trees are sticks, in fact - empatic construction - emotions without anything. Is the portal really going to turn into tabloids? Disgrace, you, modders and admins - first of all, what is it that YOU posted?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 September 2020 20: 45
      12
      Quote: Cowbra
      Disgrace, you, modders and admins - first of all, what is it that YOU posted?

      This is the truth that you do not want to know. Apparently the United States is for you the beacon of democracy and love for its people.
      1. Mwg
        Mwg 28 September 2020 09: 53
        +1
        This is the truth that they try to hide from the rest.
        Themselves about it from a young age know who is supposed to.
    2. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 25 September 2020 05: 17
      +2
      The same is about the "Holodomor" and about the execution of Polish prisoners ... All this is a fiction imposed by the USSR for certain buns for individuals. Nothing has been completely proven, one ghostly rhetoric aimed at instilling a false sense of guilt in my people ... I am absolutely not complex and do not repent and do not worry about this ... TO WHOM I must forgive ALL
  7. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 24 September 2020 21: 21
    +4
    In fact, depression, hunger, and partial crop failure are fairly well known in America. Dust storms in Oklahoma, famine, troubles of that period are in books and in films
    In the prefaces for Russia, several translated textbooks, I read, the authors recall those difficult years for their families.

    So in the title, indeed, the alignment to the west is indeed.
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 September 2020 22: 07
      -13 qualifying.
      Malnutrition of the population and mass deaths from hunger are not the same thing.
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 25 September 2020 20: 10
        -1
        Yes, stupid hitting amers in the article. You have to think with your head.
      2. Mwg
        Mwg 28 September 2020 09: 57
        0
        At the trial, the defendant was asked: - Why did you kill the victim?
        He replied: - Me? I didn't kill, he was killed by a bullet, and I just pulled the trigger
  8. 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 24 September 2020 22: 38
    17
    I don’t know how it is now, but in history lessons in the 80s they said that grain was drowned in the ocean and other products were destroyed, if only the price would not be lost on them, because this is profit, that is. money. And capttalism cannot be with a human face. And the concentration camp did not have amers for the Japs after their raid on the base, and indeed they did not destroy the indigenous Indians (90 million that way!). They have everything in a bunch, but at us a complete kapets, for some reason ...
  9. imobile2008
    imobile2008 24 September 2020 23: 03
    -5
    Quote: Pavel57
    In which country is the American Holodomor mentioned in history books?

    Just now they came up with two years have to wait until the textbooks are brought in!
  10. iouris
    iouris 25 September 2020 02: 04
    -4
    Then the United States was part of the USSR and was called Ukraine.
  11. Alex2
    Alex2 25 September 2020 05: 50
    -3
    One-Story America is a travel sketch book written by Ilya Ilf and Yevgeny Petrov at the end of 1935 and during 1936. These are the authors of The Golden Calf and The Twelve Chairs. Both the authors and the married couple Adams from New York on the acquired brand new Ford "noble mouse color" crossed America from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean and back in two months (late 1935 - early 1936). The book was published in 1937 in the Soviet Union , by the highest order of Stalin himself. The book does not even mention half a word of the alleged Holodomor in the United States at that time.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 25 September 2020 07: 46
      +7
      Quote: Alex2
      The book does not even mention half a word of the alleged Holodomor in the United States at that time.

      You may be surprised, but there is no mention of the alleged "Holodomor" in the USSR in any book (article) of American writers who visited the Soviet Union ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 25 September 2020 20: 36
        0
        Straight in none?
        ... The first to report the famine in the USSR was the English journalist Malcolm Mugheridge in December 1933. In three articles in the Manchester Guardian newspaper, the journalist described his depressing impressions of his trips to Ukraine and the Kuban.

        Mugheridge showed the mass death of peasants, but did not announce specific numbers. After his first article, the Soviet government banned foreign journalists from traveling to territories where the population suffered from hunger. In March, the New York Times correspondent in Moscow Walter Duranty tried to refute the sensational discoveries of Mugheridge. His article was titled "Russians are starving, but do not die of hunger." When other American newspapers began writing about the problem, Duranty confirmed the fact of mass deaths from hunger.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 28 September 2020 10: 48
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          Duranty confirmed the fact of mass deaths from hunger.

          Hunger and famine are different things. Holodomor - means the killing of people by hunger based on ethnicity. So, there was famine in the USSR, and on the Volga, and in Kazakhstan, and in Russia, and in Ukraine. There was NO Holodomor !!!!
          1. Avior
            Avior 28 September 2020 11: 17
            -1
            Holodomor is a narrow unofficial term sometimes applied to events specifically in Ukraine.
            The general term is genocide.
            Actions aimed at complete or partial destruction national, ethnic[i] [/ i], a racial or religious group as such by killing members of this group, causing grievous harm to their health, forcibly obstructing childbirth, forced transfer of children, forced relocation or other creation of living conditions calculated to physically destroy members of this group, -
            (in the edition of the Federal Law from 08.12.2003 N 162-FZ)
            (see the text in the previous wording)
            the applicable sentence is deprivation of liberty for a term of from twelve to twenty years, with restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years, or life imprisonment, or the death penalty.

            Criminal Code Article 357. Genocide
            The wording in the Criminal Code is taken from the "Genocide Convention".
            The question is in the legal intricacies of the definitions adopted in the convention.
            You may not quite correctly understand the word "national" in the legal sense. National is in relation to a certain nation, that is, residents of one country.
            In Ukraine, in support of the fact that the inhabitants of Ukraine were singled out as a separate group, they usually cite Soviet documents that prohibited leaving Ukraine during the famine.
            But "ethnic" is a different kind of genocide, against residents of one nationality or ethnic group.
            In Ukraine, judging by the wording in the well-known court decision, it is just about the national, that is, in relation to all residents of Ukraine, regardless of their nationality.
            For comparison, the extermination of Jews by the Nazis during the war is genocide based on ethnicity, that is, against all people of Jewish nationality, regardless of which country they were citizens of.
            hi
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 28 September 2020 11: 52
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              In Ukraine, judging by the wording in the well-known court decision, it is just about the national, that is, in relation to all residents of Ukraine, regardless of their nationality.

              You will prove this to our nationalists, because they are screaming at all corners and international platforms that they destroyed exactly and only people of Ukrainian nationality.
              1. Avior
                Avior 28 September 2020 12: 13
                -1
                maybe someone screams like that, but I see how it is officially interpreted.
                hi
  12. DrEng527
    DrEng527 26 September 2020 16: 18
    -1
    Again according to the principle - and the USA lynch blacks ... request what is the hunger for us in the USA? Is this an excuse for the famine in the USSR?
  13. IC
    IC 28 September 2020 20: 23
    0
    Millions of people died of hunger in a free democratic country. These people had relatives, how they were buried, etc. Those. the whole country should have known about it. But there are no witnesses, no graves,
    newspaper publications, traces in literature and much more. They say that everything is still classified. And this is from a country from which even everything connected with the atomic bomb was stolen. We remember from Soviet propaganda that the capitalists burned grain, pouring milk into the street. Is there anything similar to the situation in the USSR?