"A clear signal from Russia": the Scandinavian countries have signed a defense agreement

Finland, Norway and Sweden signed a new defense agreement on September 23 that sends, according to officials, "a clear signal to Russia." Formally, the purpose of the treaty is to strengthen mutual understanding between the Scandinavian states in the era of the struggle of the superpowers.

"It's hard to be small"

The heads of the military departments of the three countries gathered in Porsangmoen in Finnmark County in northern Norway, where new agreements on military cooperation were concluded. The purpose of the agreement is to intensify defense cooperation in the High North, including through joint exercises and coordination of plans for conducting military operations.

We have come to agree that the next possible crisis will affect not only one country, but all northern countries. Therefore, it is very important that we can cooperate on many levels [...] Especially during the period of incessant rivalry between great powers, when it is difficult to be a small country

- explained the Minister of Defense of Norway Frank Bakke-Jensen.

Finnish Defense Minister Antti Kaikkonen called Sweden and Norway "natural partners".

Signing of the contract

The essence of a military alliance

The actual direction of the military treaty was voiced by the head of the military department of "neutral" Sweden, Peter Hultkvist, saying that the agreement sends a "clear signal to Russia" from which he sees a clear threat.

We live in an era when the Russian side invested a lot in troops and military equipment.

- noted Hultqvist, pointing out that the current situation resembles the times of the Cold War.

However, he rejected the idea that the move would bring historically neutral Sweden closer to NATO. Former Minister of Defense of Norway Sverre Dizen made a sharp statement. According to him, Oslo will have to deploy an impressive group of troops in the province of Finnmark, which contradicts the existing military doctrine. Finnmark is a territory bordering on the Russian Murmansk region. Until recently, Norway has avoided placing a large military contingent here.

As Sputnik explains, the armed forces of Norway in peacetime have 23 people, including military and civilian personnel. If we take into account the conscripts and the internal guard with full mobilization, then the number will increase to 250 people. Swedish troops have 63 troops plus about 250 reservists. The Finnish Armed Forces have around 22 military personnel and 500 conscripts, but boast 35 reservists.

Comments

[iouris]

Who here recently convinced us almost foaming at the mouth that Sweden is a "neutral country". And now Finland. "Niet Molotoff!"

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, basically, nothing has changed. Or have these three countries already embarked on a crusade?
But who brought them to the conclusion of such an agreement? After all, there were no color revolutions there, and to say that they are being led from across the ocean will not turn our heads either.
I consider this to be another failure of foreign policy.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I consider this to be another failure of foreign policy.

Judging by the minuses, this is apparently an obvious success in the foreign policy of our state.

[Lexus]

"Dizziness with success," with convulsions on the way to agony.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: lexus

"Dizziness with success," with convulsions on the way to agony.

As in that fairy tale, the further, the worse.

[Lexus]

With our "storyteller" there are no other options. #whoeslineon

[krot]

"A clear signal from Russia": the Scandinavian countries have signed a defense agreement

Well, everything, put out the light! And everyone is afraid ..

[Machito]

Norway is a NATO member. The union of "neutral" Sweden and Finland with Norway makes them de facto and de jure NATO allies. It's time to clear the brains of the Finns and impose sanctions on them: cut off alcohol in St. Petersburg, supply of milk to Russia, supply of timber, further down the list. We have the opportunity to significantly reduce the GDP of our Finnish sworn friends.

[Deck]

We have the opportunity to significantly reduce the GDP of our Finnish sworn friends

Dreaming. There are no such opportunities. The share of Russia in the trade turnover is less than 10%.

[Machito]

The share may be less than 10%, but this is a cross on some industries. The Finnish prezik was lying at Putin's feet because of the milk. And if you block the round timber, then the khan of furniture and paints and varnishes. Not to mention the fact that the Finns go to St. Petersburg to drink, because at home they do not give a drink. And there are a lot of such examples.

[Deck]

Not to mention the fact that the Finns go to St. Petersburg to drink, because at home they do not give a drink. And there are a lot of such examples.

Finns do not go to St. Petersburg for about 20 years. They have cheaper now (by the way, our next "achievement") and there are no less taverns. So this is nonsense, like the rest of your fabrications on this topic. Do not pass off what you wish for reality.

[Nastia makarova]

yeah they don’t drive, talk nonsense, there’s a lot of finances because now the euro rate is big, they buy from brooms to gasoline, and they also go to swell

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I think this

Yes, who would doubt it. "And this is Karpusha - he works for us as an accountant."(with)

[Recon]

I consider this to be another failure of foreign policy.

These are the European countries of the Western camp. Did you think that they would be friends with us, despite the USA and the rest of Europe? I can't even imagine what kind of foreign policy had to be carried out for this, and from what time.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But who brought them to the conclusion of such an agreement? After all, there were no color revolutions there, and to say that they are being led from across the ocean will not turn our heads either.

So two of the three signatories are a NATO country and a neutral NATO ally (engaged in intelligence in the interests of NATO).

[antivirus]

this is a reason to build a sea channel from Stockholm to Oslo.
if the Cathais were not allowed to straighten the Strait of Malac through Thailand

[Deck]

this is a reason to lay a sea channel from Stockholm to Oslo

One more in addition to the existing one?

[antivirus]

is there a first, sea from Peter to Edinburgh?
straight and modern?
is it marine for gas carriers? and other giants?
maybe it is like our Mariinsky system?
and to spook proud neutrals.
joke with a grain of joke

[Deck]

Will you dig a channel to Edinburgh across the North Sea? This can only scare the orderlies

[antivirus]

You from the outskirts - do you know that you can only dig channels as a whole sea?
I'm talking about the "former Scandinavian peninsula" ---- sea channel from Stockholm to Oslo

[Varyag71]

I don't see any victories in foreign policy at all

[Rage66]

And on the inside?

[Varyag71]

Especially. Although looking for whom. For friends of VVP, bureaucrats, everything is going very well in domestic politics.

[EVDmitri]

So who brought it up? Is it possible without Aesopian language?

[credo]

Quote: iouris

Who here recently convinced us almost foaming at the mouth that Sweden is a "neutral country". And now Finland. "Niet Molotoff!"

Most likely it was either an ignoramus or an ordinary cynic who convinced him of this.
The "neutrality" of Sweden, like that of Switzerland during the Second World War, is well known and for the last 75 years, after the end of that war, nothing has changed fundamentally in their "neutrality."

[halpat]

Quote: credo

Quote: iouris

Who here recently convinced us almost foaming at the mouth that Sweden is a "neutral country". And now Finland. "Niet Molotoff!"

Most likely it was either an ignoramus or an ordinary cynic who convinced him of this.
The "neutrality" of Sweden, like that of Switzerland during the Second World War, is well known and for the last 75 years, after the end of that war, nothing has changed fundamentally in their "neutrality."

Sweden supplied almost 70% of the iron ore to Hitler's Germany. And Switzerland with great pleasure accepted and stored and still keeps Hitler's gold, cast, including from the crowns of people killed in concentration camps, as well as jewelry, works of art and just currency in banknotes.
Such neutrals.

[Nikolai Korovin]

There is generally no point in commenting on the statements about aggressive Russia by such direct and, as it were, indirect accomplices of Hitler, such as Finland and Sweden. Finland helped as much as she could, and Sweden - yes, with ore. Germany would have completely dried up its ore without Swedish supplies in time for the summer of 1942. German ore carriers went from Sweden along the border of territorial waters and hid in them when threatened by our submarines. God forbid torpedoing in the territorial waters - you won't be in trouble! Such a pretty neutrality. Well, Norway - at first it broke the union with Sweden, but it seems to have stuck again. The territory is quite large, but the people - nothing at all, and they are mostly asthmatics. And during the war the heroes of Narvik, for the time being, felt at home there. The Norwegian Resistance, like the French - 3/4 or more, is a myth. There were small groups sympathetic to the USSR, but the result of their activities was negligible. Even the Tirpitz parking lot was installed by an English pilot - admittedly, at the cost of his own life. I managed to transfer the coordinates. And the Norwegian patriots did not notice. What is really there ... Even on the poster of the 50s, depicting the alignment of forces of civilized Europe against the USSR in the form of a type of chessboard, Scandinavia is nothing more, nothing less than an elephant. What can we expect from these and why be surprised?

[Deck]

Finland in general helped as much as she could, and Sweden - yes, with ore

The USSR did not lag behind either. From December 1939 to the end of May 1941, Germany imported from the USSR 1 million tons of oil products for 95 million German marks, grain - 1,6 million tons for 250 million marks, cotton - 111 thousand tons for 100 million marks, cake - 36 thousand. tons for 6,4 million marks, flax - 10 thousand tons for 14,7 million marks, timber - for 41,3 million marks, nickel - 1,8 thousand tons for 8,1 million marks, manganese ore - 185 thousand tons for 7,6 million marks, chromium ore - 23 thousand tons for 2 million marks, phosphates - 214 thousand tons for 6 million marks. So what?

[Nikolai Korovin]

And the fact that the Nordic supermen for this provided the Russian Untermensch with all the samples of their ideally perfect military equipment, and not in single copies, but in a fairly fair amount, which was partially disassembled by a screw and studied in all aspects. The Aryans wanted to instill awe of their technical superiority, but on the contrary, to their great chagrin, this undoubtedly helped to create a massive Soviet military equipment, superior to the mass German, and in greater numbers. For the whole war, the Germans, except for "Tigers" and "Panthers", and the self-propelled gun "Ferdinand", could not boast of anything especially. However, the "Panthers" and especially the "Tigers" were few, while the "Panther" in a number of aspects was inferior to the T-34. "Ferdinands", however, seemed to be riveted more - a much less metal-intensive thing, but caused a lot of trouble. With the "Tigers", of course, it was difficult to fight and IS, but there were more of them, and funds were found.

In the field of aviation, the Germans throughout the war did not create anything massive, except for the FV-190, which did not live up to expectations - high speed, high ceiling, strong weapons, but poor maneuverability. Modification of the Messerschmitts with an increase in speed and an increase in armament with each modification worsened their horizontal maneuver, as a result, if, say, the Yak-1 was approximately equivalent to the Messerschmitt, then the Yak-9, Yak-3, La-5 and La- 7 had a tangible advantage in various aspects over the Messerschmitts of any modifications. The Ju-87 cannot be compared with the Il-2. The Pe-2 is better than the Ju-88, not to mention the outdated He-111 by the start of the war. The FAU jet fighters and missiles did not have any significant real impact on the course of the war, although Goebbels raised a lot of noise around this. But these wunderwales were, in fact, one-off. In the field of artillery, only a modification of the existing one, without particularly significant improvements. The Germans failed to create anything even remotely reminiscent of the Katyusha. The six-barreled mortar cannot be compared.

In general, the supplies of the USSR to Germany were very modest in comparison with its real needs. A complete acquaintance with German military equipment before the war was of much greater importance. True, it must be admitted that in radio communications, the lag behind the Germans remained until the end of the war, which, of course, is very significant. But Sweden, as one boy in the 4th grade wrote the name of this country, helped Hitler with its neutral status, perhaps most realistically for a very modest payment. Without Swedish ore, the Germans would have fizzled out much earlier. Many thanks to the Swedes. The Czech brothers helped them, perhaps, much less.

So that's it.

[figwam]

Swedish neutral scouts are constantly grazing near Kaliningrad.

[hrych]

Do not exaggerate, the Swede clearly stated that NATO was not approached. Moreover, such agreements, on the contrary, destroy the unity of NATO. I will also add an amazing thing, such an agreement on the prospect of the destruction of NATO. Accusing Russia, between the lines they blamed the United States as well, they say, the rivalry of superpowers, and we are so small. The EU is cracked by Brexit, and NATO is cracked in Turkey. Moreover, the NATO countries were on the verge of a war over the Greek islands. In Libya, France and Italy have contradictions and they are arming the warring parties. And Trump demanded that Denmark give up Greenland. Scandinavians therefore understand and forgive.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: hrych

Do not exaggerate, the Swede clearly stated that NATO was not approached.

But having linked themselves with Norway (a NATO member), they automatically associate themselves with this organization. If they did it in a confrontation with Russia, then it is clear that they alone are not going to do it. If you said "A" then let them tell Russia "B" that this alliance is not directed against Russia. If "A" then the enemy border is increased by more than 1000 km.

[hrych]

Neutral Swedes and Finns are not our friends, even though they are not NATO members. Therefore, nothing has changed. Also, China is not our friend, although it is an enemy of NATO. Norway has spoken loudly, and the true meaning is in mind. A little more conspiracy. They all hoped that Lukashenka would be overthrown and there would be a tectonic shift. We were preparing for the scenario to prevent the Russian Federation from resolving this issue. And they have planned all their meetings, even the UN assembly was apparently preparing against the Russian Federation, which is interfering in Belarus. It didn't work out. So we see stupid meetings that were not prepared for this.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: hrych

Neutral Swedes and Finns are not our friends, even though they are not NATO members. Therefore, nothing has changed.

You know, in Soviet times, the Finns treated us better than the Balts.

[jovanni]

Quote: tihonmarine

You know, in Soviet times, the Finns treated us better than the Balts.

Hardly. They were more afraid than now. And now every morel strives to spit, or even kick ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jovanni

Hardly. More afraid than now

They were not afraid, but RESPECTED, believe me, I lived with both, and now I live.

[hrych]

In the development of the topic. After all, the attack on SP-2 with the help of Navalny is such a hilyatina. But, like a small part of a larger plot, completely. Do not forget that SP-2 is not so much against ukrotransit as an attack on the Yamal gas pipeline, which runs through Belarus and ... Poland. SP-1 and Turkish Stream liquidate ukrotranzit. And SP-2 ... well, you get the idea. Therefore, there is the overthrow of Lukashenka, the prevention of the completion of the SP-2, the possible blackmail about non-interference in Belarus by the completion of the gas pipeline and also the poisoned "Conscience of the Nation". Even the Baltic ports were prepared to plunder the fallen Belarus. NATO and Ukrainian Armed Forces exercises, with a smooth occupation of White Russia. So this trinity was preparing to meet for a different reason. And at the UN General Assembly, the world court of Russia. As a result ... navalny

[tihonmarine]

Quote: hrych

But, like a small part of a larger plot, completely.

I support your idea, I have almost the same opinion. Belarus-Leshik-gas, one chain with an outlet for the trial of Russia. Russia will survive, we will not die.

[hrych]

Quote: tihonmarine

Belarus-Leshik-gas

and also exercises of the Armed Forces of Ukraine / NATO, with the invasion of the Maidan White Russia. Now Old Man put on the crown, everything will calm down. Obviously, this was agreed with Putin in Sochi, and even if the US and the EU do not recognize it, the train left. And since Lyoshka was released alive, then apparently a complete bummer. Trump pounced on China on the sly, and Putin acted as an antiquated peacemaker. Everyone is happy And Erdogan pounced on Israel and kicked out his plenipotentiary

[tihonmarine]

Quote: hrych

And since Lyoshka was released alive, then apparently a complete bummer.

You are right, the dropped cartridge is not picked up.

[Eugene-Eugene]

So if Yamal passes through Poland, then they could have covered this direction for a long time.

[hrych]

They are its consumers and EU members, and there is gas in the pipeline under contracts. Also, the Polish GTS is serviced by a bunch of its specialists. The long-term Russian-Polish agreement on gas transit from Russia to the West via the Polish section of the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline expired on May 17. Now supplies are carried out on the basis of auctions conducted by the Polish Gaz-System. The contract has ended, and the auction itself is being held. They won't shoot themselves in the leg.

[common man]

Quote: tihonmarine

But having linked themselves with Norway (a NATO member), they automatically associate themselves with this organization.

Probably not worth exaggerating. If there is aggression against the NATO country and Norway, according to the agreement, will fit into this war, then no one will force Sweden and Finland to harness. But if they "attack" Norway, then NATO will fit in according to its agreement, and the Finns with the Swedes in their own way.
The only question is, who was going to attack them?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: man in the street

The only question is, who was going to attack them?

Someone can attack the Ivory Coast, but only Hitler could attack Norway, and there is no one else.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: hrych

Scandinavians therefore understand and forgive.

Finns are not Scandinavians. The Scandinavian Union is Sweden, Iceland, Norway and Denmark.

[hrych]

I agree that the correct term is Fennoscandia, which includes the three sounded countries. But with regards to the Scandinavian Peninsula, there are Sweden, Norway and the same north-western Finland. For some reason, the term Scandinavia instead of Finland includes Denmark, although it is located on the Jutland Peninsula and Greenland. Apparently by ethnic group. Iceland is not included. Although there is also a tribe.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: hrych

For some reason, the term Scandinavia instead of Finland includes Denmark

So this is the Vikings, it is now the states are drawn on the maps, and before the tribes led by the Kuning, the Danes. Swedes, norgi, but not suomilainen. History is good science, read about Suomi and you will understand who and under whom they were until 1917.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Finns are not Scandinavians. The Scandinavian Union is Sweden, Iceland, Norway and Denmark.

So Finland is temporarily lost Swedish territories.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sefevi2020

Finns are not Scandinavians.

Finns are Finno-Ugric tribes, Finns, Estonians, Mordvinians and Ugrians are Hungarians, and Scandinavians are Vikings. Why confuse the gift of God with scrambled eggs.

[Nikolai Korovin]

Exactly what's between the lines. You may not even notice. And Russia should begin its investigation into the murder of an oppositionist, Prince Hamlet, with an alleged training weapon. This is just their tradition for a long time - all kinds of aqua tofan, tricks of Marie de Medici, etc. It will be interesting.

[Clear]

Finland, Norway and Sweden signed on September 23 ..., sending, according to the official representatives, "a clear signal to Russia."

Why are you signaling to us all, honking and honking endlessly, are you dying?

[g1v2]

Moreover, Norway is an important NATO member. That is, the new defense treaty in fact makes Sweden and Finland junior NATO allies. It looks like we will have to build up forces in the Scandinavian direction again.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: g1v2

It looks like we will have to build up forces in the Scandinavian direction again.

The Swedes are the most cunning, they do not have a common border with Russia, you can podgavkivat from around the corner, as during the Second World War, sending their volunteers to the SS.

[Safevi2020]

Quote: tihonmarine

The Swedes are the most cunning, since they do not have a common border with Russia, you can pucker around the corner, as during the Second World War, sending your volunteers to the SS

Well, I would not say that they are cunning. There are no borders between Russia and Sweden, but this did not prevent a couple of decades ago, a Soviet submarine from surfacing in the southern city of Karlskrona. Since then, they have been working with NATO, although they talk about neutrality.

Quote: tihonmarine

as during the Second World War, sending their volunteers to the SS.

I don’t know about what they sent, but the fact that 80% of German tigers were made of Swedish steel is true. The Swedes made very good money in the Second World War.

[The leader of the Redskins]

In the photo, as if three lads came for a fishing trip, and not an agreement to sign.

[Eugene-Eugene]

So at the same table and bitten, and then blue balls were looking for Russian submarines.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

All Balts - both from the southern and northern coasts - are equally inadequate: they always and everywhere see a threat to themselves and the world from the East, from Russia. They ought to go to a psychiatrist, and they need to arm themselves. But the "big western brother" in NATO will appreciate the fears at their true worth and throw something in!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

All Balts - both from the southern and northern coasts - are equally inadequate: they always and everywhere see a threat to themselves and the world from the East, from Russia.

Yes, they do not see any threat, like Finland, which Stalin would silently join the Union and no one would object to. But this did not happen, the same with the Baltics, when the USSR recognized the independence of Estonia in September 1991, but they could not have allowed it. But for the needs of the European Union and the United States, they must "live with wolves, and howl like a wolf," so they howl.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Do you know anything about paranoia? And how do you interpret the constant catching of Russian submarines by the Swedes? How do the EU and the US make the Swedes howl about submarines? Share, tell!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

And how do you interpret the constant catching of Russian submarines by the Swedes?

You mean that boat when Tolik G. sat on the stones at Karlskrona, or something else.

[sheet]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Do you know anything about paranoia? And how do you interpret the constant catching of Russian submarines by the Swedes? How do the EU and the US make the Swedes howl about submarines? Share, tell!

In 2014 - 20 million kroons for a week of "searches" for a Russian submarine.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/xR9y9B/ubatsjakten-avbryts
Someone has not earned sickly.

[Clear]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

In the photo, as if three lads came for a fishing trip, and not an agreement to sign.

You have to wait, maybe they will swell and fight

[ccsr]

Finland, Norway and Sweden signed a new defense agreement on September 23 that sends, according to officials, "a clear signal to Russia."

Russia just needs to send this "clear signal" to a well-known address - these clowns do not play any role in our confrontation with the United States, which means they spit on all their attempts.

[dranthqu]

Publishing strategic strike targets periodically with explanations would be very helpful. For example, in formally neutral Ireland, there is a sluggish discussion about the use of Shannon Airport by the Air Force and the US military-technical cooperation as an intermediate one. A publication in the style of "let's hit here, because the US is flying here, will blow away neighboring towns" would greatly help direct such a discussion in the right direction.

[Blackmokona]

Or, on the contrary, it will throw them into the hands of NATO. After all, today the Russians demand one thing by the threat of weapons, and the expenditure will require something else.

[dranthqu]

And this is the art of politics and diplomacy - to find the right arguments and predict how this or that "signal" will be treated in this or that country. From what I personally observe, in Ireland everything "nuclear" is feared like plague. This is about the same kind of discussion as the withdrawal of nuclear forces from Scotland if independence happens there. In general, in order to convince, you need to know what arguments will work, have these same arguments and be able to present them correctly.

[Clear]

Quote: BlackMokona

Or, on the contrary, will throw them into the hands of NATO

NATА not a fool until she is paid she will not accept

[Prisoner]

Three rabbits sent a signal to the bear. How scary to live.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Captive

Three rabbits sent a signal to the bear.

... lemmings, dear friend, three lemmings ...
Nobody (after 1945) even touched them ... The territory in the Barents Sea was cut. Through Vyborg to S.P. they were allowed to go for vodka ... Half of the Karelian forest was sold ...
Just some kind of scumbags ... More precisely - "Santaclaus" ...

[rocket757]

Finland, Norway and Sweden signed a new defense agreement on September 23 that sends, according to officials, "a clear signal to Russia."

enti nedo about the dwellings, they sent something there to Russia !!!
Oh, my horseshoes made me laugh ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Oh, my horseshoes made me laugh.

Frankly speaking, there is little funny, unpleasant if American tanks will stand near St. Petersburg, as near Ivangorod and Pytalovo.

[rocket757]

Obviously, we simply cannot cope with the combined power of the "allies" ...
so sho the choice is still not great, you have to wet them all with "vigorous loaf" ... indicatively so, radically, without options! They must KNOW this!
The danger lies elsewhere, if they all take over and want to cut us off from the other side of the world. Then things get complicated. A protracted, tough confrontation, not the most pleasant, useful situation for our country.

[unaha]

At 39-40 there was no laughing matter ...

[rocket757]

And the Land of the Soviets, the Soviet leadership, had no time for fun ALWAYS, in theory. However, they found time for everything.

[unaha]

Yes, the dog is with him, with the Soviet leadership - you should not be engaged in hats. Scandinavia are economically and technologically advanced countries, with which at least neutral relations should be maintained. Moods of the species: "enti nedo about habitats" are hardly conducive to this.

[rocket757]

Quote: unaha

Scandinavia - economically and technologically advanced countries,

You can have, only they are not supposed to have us ... that's the whole philosophy. Let them sit at home and teach ... reindeer, for example. What difference does it make to us.
By the way, our ancestors taught them all, in their time ... Someone personally, and someone when they all came in droves.

[g1washntwn]

Well, formalized the relationship. Advice and love ... and an outfit of warheads in bulk.
They do not want to live in peace - this is their problem.

[Andylw]

Both the Swedish and Norwegian fleets separately are significantly stronger than the Russian Baltic Fleet
we continue to laugh happily

[zwlad]

Well, look. Russia will build up the power of the BF to such a state that the BF will become the most powerful fleet in the world. AND?
In case of war, enemy aircraft will allow him to leave the Baltic? Of course not!
Then the question is - does the Baltic need such a powerful fleet? And is it worth spending a lot of money on its construction? Or maybe it's better to build something simpler. Mobile?

[Andylw]

Quote: zwlad

In case of war, enemy aircraft will allow him to leave the Baltic?

go where? and for what?
the navy in Russia is needed to defend its shores. ports and sea communications. we have an enclave of the Kaliningrad region, in case you forgot.
However, even for these tasks, it is not suitable))) some miserable underflot

[Alexey RA]

Quote: AndyLW

the navy in Russia is needed to defend its shores. ports and sea communications. we have an enclave of the Kaliningrad region, in case you forgot.

Trust me if it comes to defense of their shores, then no one will take anything to Kaliningrad by sea. It will be faster and safer to break through the corridor through Lithuania.

And most importantly, even if we build a full-fledged KBF, where will we base it? In Baltiysk, which is covered by enemy artillery and MLRS even without crossing the border? Or in Kronstadt, the exit from which to the Baltic lies by the notorious rake, such as the Nargen-Porkkala-Udd position?

[Warrior-80]

I completely agree. The Second World War showed that from the very first day of the war, our ships were locked at the exits from the ports, where they stood throughout the war as coastal artillery, the Germans from the sea did not seem to undertake landing operations much. In modern times, I think it will be even worse for all fleets in the Baltic, since it is shot through and through

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: AndyLW

Both the Swedish and Norwegian fleets separately are significantly stronger than the Russian Baltic Fleet

So, what is next? Explain on your fingers or look on the map that the Baltic Sea is semi-internal. And it is no longer fashionable to fight in this sea with fleets.

[Andylw]

and if the Kaliningrad region is cut off? will it be fashionable?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: AndyLW

and if the Kaliningrad region is cut off? will it be fashionable?

A, Kaliningrad region, a piece of cake? Have you not been told that not only any "cutting off", but even his attempt will be regarded as a threat to Russian security with all the ensuing uses of nuclear weapons?
"Mono" will wake up, but there is no fleet base ...
And please, do not write place names with a lowercase letter ...

[zwlad]

Yes. And with the statement that the Swedish fleet individually is much stronger than the BF, you seem to get excited.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

So at the same table and bitten, and then blue balls were looking for Russian submarines.

Where is the Russian vodka on the tables?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Pavel57

Where is the Russian vodka on the tables?

What vodka ?!

[2 Level Advisor]

absolutely on the drum .. we were not going to attack them, so let them sign whatever they want ... you might think our armada were already at the borders, but today, after the agreement, they turned home .. By the way, they don't specifically talk about the Russian Federation, but they say how difficult it is to be small countries among the "great powers"

[KMS]

Russia will not be allowed to live peacefully .. Again the horde is gathering near the borders.

[tihonmarine]

Finland, Norway and Sweden signed a new defense agreement on September 23 that sends, according to officials, "a clear signal to Russia."

I understand Finns, at least they can fight, but noriki and svei, where they go "with a pork snout, but in a Kalashny row."

[_Ugene_]

there is no need to look for logic here and foaming at the mouth to prove that we are not going to attack anyone, judging by the entire history of mankind, God loves to play soldiers so these wars will never end, maybe he created us for these games?

[pereselenec]

Personally, I do not see any problem in this news - if we did not plan to attack separately any of Finland, Norway and Sweden, then it should be purple for us in which military alliances they participate.

[Pavel57]

After that, the finals must again open the nuclear bomb shelters.

[pereselenec]

Quote: Pavel57

After that, the finals must again open the nuclear bomb shelters.

Did they close them?

[solzh]

Quote: pereselenec

on what military alliances they participate in, we should be purple.

The point is not whether Russia is going to attack any of the Scandinavians or not. The point is that this "alliance" is directed against Russia. And it doesn't matter what they declare for defense. Where there is defense, there is also an attack, especially since Norway is a NATO member state. Therefore, this bloc can and will take part, in possible hostilities, on the side of the NATO aggressors.

[pereselenec]

Quote: solzh

The point is not whether Russia is going to attack any of the Scandinavians or not. The point is that this "alliance" is directed against Russia. And it doesn't matter what they declare for defense. Where there is defense, there is also an attack, especially since Norway is a NATO member state. Therefore, this bloc can and will take part, in possible hostilities, on the side of the NATO aggressors.

Well, that means we must ourselves create a military alliance against the Scandinavians. Together with Batka, Kazakhstan, or whoever else from the non-Bendera people remained in our neighbors.

[spectr]

As far as I understand, the next stage should be the signing of agreements for the joint development of various equipment of the latest generation. It becomes too difficult to manage such projects alone.
The US arms race appears to have scared their governments.

[sergo1914]

A quick but steady signal from the Scandinavian boys? Is this the Scandinavian People's Republic or what? Let the referendum be held first.

[nikon7717]

Yeah. Signal "in the era of superpowers" And the period of the Cold War was not an era of superpowers and an alliance was not concluded. Well, at least they recognized us again as a de facto superpower with such a statement.
And the Finns once again forget that they should thank Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, that their border with St. Petersburg is near, otherwise it could be a region or autonomy within the Russian Federation.

[Ros 56]

Do the Finns know that now is not 39 and ours will not run through the forests like in the last century?

[Blue fox]

Do the Finns know that now is not 39 and ours will not run through the forests like in the last century?

Sorry colleague. If it starts, we'll run. Alas, the development of the road network has degraded even in comparison with the pre-war period (at least there are no the same horse-drawn wooden roads and narrow-gauge railways for peat extraction), and in order to cut off Karelia and the Murmansk region from normal supply, everything is the same as in 1941 it is necessary to disable a few bridges on federal highways and railway bridges nearby (there is only one road-railway bridge across the Svir near Lodeynoye Pole, upstream only the dam of the hydroelectric power station in Podporozhye and the ferry for cars in Voznesenie). If you cut off the traffic on the Priozerskoye highway, on which there are also many small bridges, then the Murmansk region will be accessible by land only through the Arkhangelsk and Vologda ...

[Ros 56]

Skis in hand with poles and good luck on rough terrain.

[Blue fox]

Quote: Ros 56

Skis in hand with poles and good luck on rough terrain.

Thank you. I am the infantry. You, too, have a clear sky.

[7,62x54]

Let's be afraid together ...

[Cucumbers]

Blocks are hammering together against Russia. Wherever you poke enemies around the perimeter. As before the Patriotic War. Not even before the war, but the war is already underway, Ukraine and Georgia have already been captured. Other former Soviet republics do not understand how they will behave, well, they will certainly not fight against the aggressors for Russia. Rely on nuclear weapons? Opponents hope that Russia will not use it

[tralflot1832]

Probably there is a sea of ​​mushrooms in the forest? And in this lake there is fish and how much does it cost to catch? And in general there is a recreation center and is it possible to drink alcohol there? Something like this. That's what I'm interested in!

[pyc.arpeccop tornado 150]

The etymology of the word Viking is vyking (from "abort").
Miscarriages want to go back. By uniting.
But great Russia does not mean rubber.

[Operator]

The vigorous arctic fox came to Sweden with Finland, which entered into a military alliance with the NATO country - Norway.

[Herman 4223]

In the war of the superpowers, small countries either keep neutrality or help with cannon fodder for one of the parties. It seems these three are making a choice.

[solzh]

Quote: Herman 4223

It seems these three are making a choice

Alexander, there are two choices. The third, which is Norway, made its choice back in 1949.

[Herman 4223]

This is true, Finland can still be understood, if it succeeds, it will get Karelia (theoretically), but why is Norway changing its acupants since 1941, they don’t ask her, but why is it Sweden?
This suggests that their leadership is completely controlled by the United States, and their country is made in advance with meat that will solve other people's problems.

[Ax Matt]

Welcome! The Pskov 76th Airborne Division is waiting for you, Norwegian mountain rangers. They specialize in you from the very beginning. Just jerk in our direction, it won't seem a little ...!

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Quote: BlackMokona

Or, on the contrary, it will throw them into the hands of NATO. After all, today the Russians demand one thing by the threat of weapons, and the expenditure will require something else.

Yes, even if at least in the hands of the devil, if only they ruined their economy to please their politicians, it only plays into our hands. They have been on the other side for a long time, but they are saving on weapons, so let them strain a little.

[Knell wardenheart]

Look at this situation from a different angle - interstate agreements of a similar orientation are not only a "signal" for us, it is also an equally important signal for the politicians of these countries and the population that such quasi-blocs are coping with the problem without NATO. ... So I can't look at this as bad news.
Of course, no one has any doubts about the color of the threads, which Swedish "neutrality" is sewn. They already demonstrated their standards during World War II and the Cold War. This neutrality can be described as "You don't hurt us, we don't shit you much." It is also clear that the Scandinavian states were historically oriented to the west, because they could not be guided by us - we are exactly the same supplier of many of what the Scandinavian countries supply. We are competitors.
However, it is clear to adults and sober-minded people that, firstly, in our right mind and strong memory, we will not consider the Scandinavian appendix either as the main or as a secondary area of ​​the main activity of our forces - even in the case of such a specific "neutrality" as they had in fashion in World War II. Stupidly too disgusting theater, too sour profit, too high price from probable resistance.
Secondly, they (Scandinavians) are not stupid people, and due to the lack of sympathy for us, they understand quite well what will happen to their economy, ecology and demography if a real war slightly touches them.
It is banal that one nuclear submarine sunk in their waters and their food addictions for many decades will come to a big and fat end. So direct PARTICIPATION in some kind of activity against us - yes, they saw in the coffin)
To summarize, the message is not only to us - it is also to contemporary American initiatives in Europe. There were conversations about the "European army" - the scandics caught the meaning.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Look at this situation from a different angle - interstate agreements of a similar orientation are not only a "signal" for us, it is also an equally important signal for the politicians of these countries and the population that such quasi-blocs are coping with the problem without NATO. ... So I can't look at this as bad news.
Of course, no one has any doubts about the color of the threads, which Swedish "neutrality" is sewn. They already demonstrated their standards during World War II and the Cold War. This neutrality can be described as "You don't hurt us, we don't shit you much." It is also clear that the Scandinavian states were historically oriented to the west, because they could not be guided by us - we are exactly the same supplier of many of what the Scandinavian countries supply. We are competitors.
However, it is clear to adults and sober-minded people that, firstly, in our right mind and strong memory, we will not consider the Scandinavian appendix either as the main or as a secondary area of ​​the main activity of our forces - even in the case of such a specific "neutrality" as they had in fashion in World War II. Stupidly too disgusting theater, too sour profit, too high price from probable resistance.
Secondly, they (Scandinavians) are not stupid people, and due to the lack of sympathy for us, they understand quite well what will happen to their economy, ecology and demography if a real war slightly touches them.
It is banal that one nuclear submarine sunk in their waters and their food addictions for many decades will come to a big and fat end. So direct PARTICIPATION in some kind of activity against us - yes, they saw in the coffin)
To summarize, the message is not only to us - it is also to contemporary American initiatives in Europe. There were conversations about the "European army" - the scandics caught the meaning.

In the case of a nix, this appendix must be destroyed first, because it interferes with our Northern Fleet, and in parallel with how "neutral" they consider themselves, they made their choice long ago.

[mark2]

A clear signal from Russia ": the Scandinavian countries have signed a defense agreement

Directly signaled, devils. Not politics, but the Moscow Ring Road at rush hour.

[Rage66]

The picture of the signing of the contract touches me .... Their joint selfie-signing will not cost a penny in the event of a real mess.
Sweden fought for the last time 206 years ago ... And then (ta-taaam!) - with the norgs
These trolls will scatter through their fjords and fish at night.

[Sergey Gintner]

Well, let them defend themselves .. are we going to attack? They talk about the Soviet-Russian threat, as if not from the time of Karl the beaten near Poltava.

[solzh]

Quote: Sergey Gintner

Well, let them defend themselves .. are we going to attack?

We are not, but they, together with NATO members, is quite possible.

[Coconut]

already have to be afraid? ...

[Sergey Gintner]

Have you invested a lot? We are in 6th place in world spending .. After France and Saudi Arabia .. The states alone exceed all countries combined in terms of military expenditures ..

[Rokambol]

I hope our General Staff will make adjustments to their plans ...

[Oleg Olkha]

The Scandinavians are natural allies in everything (perhaps Denmark will join, also Scandinavia ...) More than a million trained reservists, thanks to the Finns, leave no chance for the invaders, even from the planet Nubira, to deprive them of their one and only homeland, especially since it is very naturally and climatically harsh to the Nubirians ... By the way, according to some not advertised sources, the Swedes began work on nuclear weapons immediately after the Caribbean crisis, tested and put on a shelf - no one doubts their capabilities in this area.

[Andrey Posietsev]

Well, the Swedes, of course, are old "partners", but the Finns have cleverly got out. It's time to introduce new sanctions on timber export.

[Silinvv]

My heart is squeezed with fear like the Scandinavians in powerful groups of 10 people and with all their 5 tanks they will courageously resist the Russian Army and then they will go over to a powerful offensive against Moscow - 5 people from the Far East, 15 people through Brusnichnoye (moreover, weapons from they will be taken away by our customs officers) and as many as 2 super-duper boats across the Gulf of Finland to St. Petersburg.

[Ivan Tixiy]

For me, so as long as we do not climb Only this will be the next NATO branch.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

Why are the Scandinavian countries invincible? Because no one is going to defeat them.

[Shadow041]

All this is being undertaken by Sweden, which once included Norway and Finland and Lithuania and Latvia and Estonia. The goal here is the same as that of Turkey - imperial ambitions, in order to return these territories, primarily the Baltic states, to the Swedish crown. There is no question of defense from the Russian Federation, here it is an offensive policy, with the aim of wresting the territories once belonging to Sweden

[Dmitry Makarov]

There is no more hope for the United States, the former vassals are making their get-togethers.
But Russia does not give a deep shit about this Chukhon alliance, one volley of the Iskander battery, and only heaps of radioactive ruins will remain of these Papuans.

[CBR600]

Threat statements can be dusty in your eyes. But our nuclear power plant for the entire region, it’s not your language to scratch. I am sure ours can also break the contract

[Alexy]

Interestingly, if Russia’s defense budget shrinks, like the United States’s, then they will immediately attack us?

[Wildgoose]

How Yura went to the Finnish army https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhiGEWIaPlA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoHcN5DveAA

[AleBors]

It would be foolish to ignore this signal.

[av58]

Let them unite, what do we care? No one is going to fight Norway, Sweden and Finland. If anything, the Finns will need to be carefully tipped with economic sanctions.