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NASA will rely on commercial analogs of the ISS in order not to yield to China

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NASA will rely on commercial analogs of the ISS in order not to yield to China

The United States may lose a permanent presence in low-Earth orbit after the end of the International Space Station (ISS). To prevent China from taking this place, it is necessary to create commercial alternatives to the ISS. This was stated by the head of the United States National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) James Bridenstine.


Speaking at a hearing before the Appropriations Committee of the US Senate, Bridenstine pointed to the threat of the United States losing its place in low-earth orbit after the end of the ISS's life, which is likely to be occupied by a fast-growing China.

According to the head of NASA, China is quickly creating its analogue of the ISS and may advertise it as a replacement for the international station. The United States is concerned about the possibility of recognition of China's successes by "international partners", which will lead to the loss of "place in low orbit."

I think it will be a tragedy if, after all the time spent and all the efforts, we leave low-earth orbit, and this territory (...) will go to another country with which our interests diverge

- noted Brydenstein.

At the same time, NASA is not going to build its analogue of the ISS, but will stake on commercial projects that it will support and cooperate with.

I do not think that it is in the interests of our country to create a new international space station, I think it is in our interests to support private companies for which NASA will be a client

- he added.
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  1. credo
    credo 24 September 2020 13: 13
    +2
    "... I do not think that it is in the interests of our country to create a new international space station, I think it is in our interests to support private companies for which NASA will be a client ..."
    -------------------------------
    It looks like Bridenstein is secretly funded by these private companies or simply does not see any benefit from the ISS, only it is not clear why the United States sends its astronauts to the ISS, if it makes no sense?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 24 September 2020 13: 36
      +4
      NASA does not have the money to have both the ISS and Getway (the station in the orbit of the moon) at the same time. Therefore, NASA wants private traders to build their own ISS, and NASA, if necessary, leases another module from them. And in general, for the US to be politically present there.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 24 September 2020 13: 39
      +2
      The ISS is already there. Well, it's like not seeing the prospect of buying a new car, but using what you already have until it finally breaks down.

      NASA wants to move from engineering to purchasing services. That is, you buy 3 seats from Musk or Boeing - and also rent a station from Axium for the duration of the mission. That's all. By the way, Axium is bringing its accommodation and hotel module to the ISS next year. If it does not break down, then by the year 25 it will bring out a two-module station. For tourists - 5 star room in orbit. Sheikhs will stand in line.


      By the way, the Arabs, whom Rogozin made a bet on after the departure of the United States (like they will buy out places + load the training center) are also leaving.

      Now the center named after Muhammad bin Rashid has signed a firm contract with the Americans. 4 Arab cosmonauts will prepare for a flight to the ISS in a full profile with EVA, and not as tourists - do not touch anything, take pictures there.

      As the Prime Minister and Vice President of the UAE Mohammed Ibn Rashid Al Maktoum said on Twitter, The Muhammad bin Rashid Space Center has signed an agreement with the US Space Agency to train astronauts on potential future missions to the International Space Station, including spacewalks and work at the station.... “The program will prepare our youth and astronauts for future flights,” said the Emir of Dubai.

      From September 21 of this year, Al-Mansuri and Al-Neyadi began to undergo training for flights to the ISS already at the Lyndon Johnson Space Center in Houston (USA).

      Similar training at NASA two more astronauts must pass later [b] [/ b] from the United Arab Emirates.

      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 24 September 2020 15: 06
        +5
        I wonder how they will perform namaz in zero gravity?
        And how can you orient yourself towards Mecca?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 24 September 2020 15: 12
          +1
          Well, they somehow solved this problem on the first flight.



          It's just that now they decided to work and pay the Americans.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 24 September 2020 18: 21
            +3
            hi I want to note the balanced approach of the Americans. And the absence of "Manilovism".
      2. Kasym
        Kasym 24 September 2020 17: 52
        0
        Rogozin said last year that intensive negotiations are underway between the Russian Federation, the United Arab Emirates and the Republic of Kazakhstan on the reconstruction of the "Gagarin Launch".
        Apparently, the UAE is counting not only on the United States in this matter. The Russian Federation has the richest experience in the construction of the compressor station - remember, when an emergency occurred in the WORLD and the station had to be reanimated - this experience is worth a lot ...
        The USA invested 12 billion dollars, but they could not even make a layout of their own COP. Until they reached an agreement with Russia on the construction of the ISS, they did not really succeed. Will they cope with the construction of the CC on their own - this is another question - and what will be the price ?! It will be interesting to look at the Chinese COP. If they fail, I am sure that they will ask Moscow to join forces. But then, it seems to me, all the SCO or BRICS countries should be involved. But with the EU and the US on this topic no longer cooperate. hi
      3. slipped
        slipped 24 September 2020 20: 12
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        By the way, the Arabs, whom Rogozin made a bet on after the departure of the United States (like they will buy out places + load the training center) are also leaving.


        Nobody goes anywhere. laughing The cosmonaut training center is now loaded, including for the future.



        Quote: donavi49
        Now the center named after Muhammad bin Rashid has signed a firm contract with the Americans. 4 Arab cosmonauts will prepare for a flight to the ISS in a full profile with EVA, and not as tourists - do not touch anything, take pictures there.


        Earlier, a representative of the center named after Muhammad bin Rashid gave an interview in which he said that the center would try to train its astronauts both in America and in Russia. Ab-Mansuri flew as a full-fledged astronaut, not as a tourist.

        Quote: donavi49
        From September 21 of this year, Al-Mansuri and Al-Neyadi began to undergo training for flights to the ISS already at the Lyndon Johnson Space Center in Houston (USA).


        Both had previously undergone training at this center under the ISS program, before the flight of Al-Mansuri.
  2. askort154
    askort154 24 September 2020 13: 36
    0
    The United States is worried about the possibility of recognition of China's successes by "international partners", which will lead to the loss of "a place in low orbit."

    China is still breathing down your neck, but with the pace of development as it is now,
    soon the US will be looking up his ass.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 24 September 2020 13: 47
      +1
      Well, nevertheless, in useful missions to deep space and AMC, the United States and ESA have a huge gap from the rest of the world combined.
      1. askort154
        askort154 24 September 2020 13: 54
        +1
        donavi49 ....Well, for useful missions to deep space and AMS, the United States and ESA have a huge gap from the rest of the world combined.

        This is clear. But the article deals with "low earth orbit", and the creation of a new station on it. hi
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 24 September 2020 18: 35
        +1
        Naturally. Because everything works and improves. Knowledge and best practices are not squandered.
  3. zwlad
    zwlad 24 September 2020 13: 47
    -2
    I apologize. Have the Yankees already learned how to build docking stations to build space stations? Or take something simpler, like space toilets?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 24 September 2020 13: 49
      +2
      Of course, the Yankees have docking hubs since Gemini days.
      The world's first docking in manual mode was carried out on March 16, 1966 by the US-manned Gemini 8 with the Agena rocket stage launched 100 minutes earlier.

      And the space toilet was, for example, on Skyleb, Shuttle, and now it is on the Dragon
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 24 September 2020 14: 37
        -4
        Quote: BlackMokona
        the space toilet was, for example, on Skyleb, Shuttle, and now it is on the Dragon

        Is the design a stolen Russian or again a centrifuge where does it wind up?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 24 September 2020 16: 55
          0
          Their everything. On Skylab he was not bad, on the Shuttle they were very clever, which on the Dragon was not shown in all details. But no one has complained about him yet.
          1. aristok
            aristok 24 September 2020 18: 52
            -1
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Their everything. On Skylab he was not bad, on the Shuttle they were very clever, which on the Dragon was not shown in all details. But no one has complained about him yet.

            Who could complain? Dependent test flight testers?
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 24 September 2020 19: 59
              -1
              The US has radically great opportunities for media complaints. Remember how much information about the problems of the F-35 and the problems of the PAK FA. But the terms of the PAK FA run no worse
              Astronauts remarkably complained about the lack of toilets in Apollo, and bad toilets in the shuttles, etc.
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 25 September 2020 07: 19
                0
                You are remarkable at demonstrating double standards:
                Their everything. On Skylab he was not bad, on the Shuttle they were very clever, which on the Dragon was not shown in all details. But no one has complained about him yet.


                and then:

                Quote: BlackMokona
                Astronauts complained wonderfully and the lack of toilets in Apollo, and bad toilets in shuttles, etc.


                You are there in your "gop-company" agree with each other at least when you transfer the account to the next shift. Yes, and your fake-akki are a bit lazy for the minus, you haven't connected the new Estonian center to the Internet yet? laughing
      2. zwlad
        zwlad 24 September 2020 15: 05
        0
        The world's first docking in manual mode was carried out on March 16, 1966 by the US-manned Gemini 8 with the Agena rocket stage launched 100 minutes earlier.

        I put it a little inaccurately. Yankees don't know how to make docking modules.
        And the knots, if my memory serves me right, at Dragon was not made by the Yankees.
        Quote: BlackMokona
        And the space toilet was, for example, on Skyleb, Shuttle, and now it is on the Dragon

        Yeah. And they also had a Saturn-5 rocket and an F-1 engine for it /
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 24 September 2020 16: 58
          -1
          The Yankees did, the media misinterpreted the expert so much that Rosskosmos had to directly refute it.
          https://www.aex.ru/m/news/2020/6/9/213512/
          June 9, 2020, AEX.RU - Russian parts are not used in the docking unit of the private company SpaceX's Crew Dragon spacecraft. This is reported by TASS with reference to data from Roscosmos.

          Well, I was on Skyleb, they docked to her.
          Saturn-5 and F-1 are very outdated, now it's silly to do them again.
          1. slipped
            slipped 25 September 2020 02: 58
            0
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Russian parts are not used in the docking assembly of the private company SpaceX's Crew Dragon spacecraft.


            Russian parts are used in the IDA docking adapter of a private company Boeing. laughing
        2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
          Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 25 September 2020 14: 30
          0
          > Yankees don't know how to make docking modules

          you eat more often, the mind will be clearer
          1. zwlad
            zwlad 25 September 2020 16: 49
            0
            I sincerely advise you too!

            By order of NASA, the (Harmony) module was manufactured by Italy (Italian Space Agency), which has extensive experience in creating sealed modules of the Spacelab shuttle station-laboratory, modules of the ISS "Columbus", "Calm", "Dome" and sealed multipurpose supply modules launched on the Shuttle Leonardo, Raphael and Donatello.

            All infa is freely available.
            You just need to click the mouse a couple of times and click the keyboard.
            1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
              Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 25 September 2020 17: 16
              0
              And what do you think the Italians will abruptly refuse the USA their services and the damned partners will not be able to build the station? And all this, presumably, because of the great love for offended Russian patriots?

              Don't go too heavy tonight, take pity if not your mind, then your liver.
              1. zwlad
                zwlad 25 September 2020 18: 25
                0
                First try to comprehend what I wrote. Then read your first comment again.
                And I wrote "the Yankees do not know how" where the Italians are. Yes, the Yankees can pay, but they will not be able to do it.
                So do have a snack. Better not drink.
                1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                  Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 25 September 2020 23: 52
                  0
                  > Have the Yankees already learned how to build docking stations to build space stations?

                  You there seem to be denying the Yankees the right to build a space station because they do not send you a snack? Or not, not your words, did the granddaughter climb on his knees?
                  1. zwlad
                    zwlad 26 September 2020 08: 08
                    0
                    I'm tired of discussing with you. You read the comments diagonally, but you don't see the facts or don't want to see them. So you can troll someone else.
    2. parma
      parma 24 September 2020 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: zwlad
      I apologize. Have the Yankees already learned how to build docking stations to build space stations? Or take something simpler, like space toilets?

      Look who built so many modules for the ISS and ask yourself a question - can we still build docking modules?
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 24 September 2020 15: 15
        +1
        5 Russian and 9 international.
        What information do you have?
        1. parma
          parma 25 September 2020 08: 49
          0
          Quote: zwlad
          5 Russian and 9 international.
          What information do you have?

          I have information that 5 modules are Russian (of which 3 were built with American money) and 10 American + international .. and the delivery of the larger and the assembly of the ISS part is not our doing ...
  4. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 24 September 2020 13: 52
    0
    So NASA just wants to drive and steer? A kind of spaceship rental service?
    Have private traders seen the "white" estimate of the content of at least one ISS module?
    There, Musk only looks more or less decently according to reports to investors. The rest of the "private traders" fly out of the competition, overcoming the speed of sound.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 24 September 2020 14: 24
      0
      It is clear that most private traders go bankrupt, this is the norm for business. But not only is Musk doing well.
      Blue Origin's director is the richest man in the world, he is doing well, he can finance his company from his own pocket for at least a century.
      And the Rocket Labs launch their Electron rockets into orbit one after another.
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 24 September 2020 14: 31
        0
        Why am I for sho? Show on your fingers how the cost will decrease if a private trader (or rather his investor) necessarily needs a margin from all this commercial stirring.
        Someone else's income is someone else's “leaving”.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 24 September 2020 17: 00
          +2
          Yes, a private trader is chasing a margin, but when a number of private traders fight, the margin becomes small, and the price is low. After all, a private trader is fighting to reduce the cost in order to raise the margin
          And the main thing for the bureaucrat is to cover the ass, and he doesn't care about the economy. Therefore, everything turns out to be very expensive.
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 25 September 2020 07: 22
            0
            Do you know what the payback limit is? Or are you deliberately ignoring to rub in the "populism from HSE"?
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 25 September 2020 08: 00
              -3
              Of course I know, only there is such a thing as cost. But it can be radically different from different manufacturers. Especially when one is interested in the maximum overpricing, and the other in the maximum decrease
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 25 September 2020 10: 15
                0
                (rukalitso) An attempt to translate the arrows is not valid. Go back to the ROI and try to think again.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 September 2020 17: 38
          -1
          How they reduced the cost of their products - simply by their compactness.
  5. Egoza
    Egoza 24 September 2020 14: 05
    +2
    Businessmen will start building stations for them out of pure patriotism! You will first announce what the merchants will receive for this.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 24 September 2020 14: 24
      -1
      So they themselves want to build for tourism, new materials and other things.
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 24 September 2020 14: 35
        +1
        Space tourism will remain inaccessible to mass demand for a long time to come.
        New materials ... what do you mean? Mining from an asteroid field or free technology from NASA and the Pentagon (what many people suspect SpiceX)?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 24 September 2020 16: 02
          +3
          Well, Axium is already launching its test module next year.


          Further there is an independent station for tourists.

          1. Lexus
            Lexus 24 September 2020 18: 37
            +1
            "The road will be mastered by the walker." (C) Only the falling one has a dead end.
            1. g1washntwn
              g1washntwn 25 September 2020 07: 27
              0
              I am waiting for your similar comment in the news about the national cosmonautics.
              She can and goes hard, zigzag, and flutters a lot, and from her own pocket she allows contractors to spit ... but, after all, she goes.
          2. slipped
            slipped 24 September 2020 20: 20
            0
            Well, while Axiom draws pictures in virtuality, in reality at Baikonur the preparation of a new heavy module "Science" continues as usual. laughing

            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 25 September 2020 03: 36
              -1
              Initially, the launch of the Nauka module to the ISS was planned in 2007 using the Proton launch vehicle.
              1. slipped
                slipped 25 September 2020 09: 48
                +1
                This does not in any way affect the preparation of the module for launch in the second quarter. By the way, it physically could not be launched in 2007, as it was made only in 2013. And now the module is being retrofitted with scientific equipment and various auxiliary systems. In addition, it is planned as an element of the future Russian orbital station.
                1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                  Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 25 September 2020 14: 53
                  0
                  Have you heard the saying about God's dew?
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 25 September 2020 18: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                    Have you heard the saying about God's dew?


                    Duc, everything was filmed on Mosfilm laughing
          3. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 25 September 2020 07: 46
            +1
            NASA has estimated its budget for the ISS at about $ 3 billion (of which $ 1,3 is transportation). There are 13 more countries with their own budgets (more modest, but in total I think up to $ 10 a year is recruited boldly). The axioms have a price list of $ 55 million per week of stay (plus a round-trip "taxi" or a footnote in small print?), Flights to the station are planned 2-3 times a year. It turns out that either a company of tourists must constantly reside at the station (who have weeks in a confined space behind their eyes) or again lease it to NASA scientists, but this is much cheaper because you need to balance on the verge of a useful return from the project. And if they drill again or the toilet breaks down? There will be no "Russian Ivan" to be repaired in the next compartment.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 25 September 2020 07: 59
              -2
              NASA pays for the lion's share of the ISS, heavily at 75% of all costs.
              Well, they compared the ISS and the tourist station.
              Also, private traders do everything much cheaper for themselves than state contractors, according to the option all your expenses plus a fixed percentage of profit.
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 25 September 2020 10: 34
                +1
                Quote: BlackMokona
                NASA pays for the lion's share of the ISS, heavily at 75% of all costs.

                An estimate on the table. Completely, otherwise we know these American habits of calculating losses.

                Quote: BlackMokona
                Well, they compared the ISS and the tourist station.

                Half of the ISS budget is logistics and maintenance. If transport to and from can be slightly reduced at the expense of private traders (who by and large act exclusively as dumping ones), then the second part can only be reduced by mothballing this orbital hotel. You don't want to get a flying mass grave with tourists in orbit, do you?

                Quote: BlackMokona
                Also private traders do everything much cheaper.

                The private trader is forced to do cheaper in order to compete with the "big bosses", but he cannot afford the same investments in research and the level of cooperation, which is indicative of Musk's first bursting tanks. They just magically stopped bursting at the seams.
            2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
              Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 25 September 2020 14: 55
              0
              I am glad that this message is the whole point: partners are engaged in some stupidity in orbit, some projects, foolish. But the Russian Ivan sits on the ground and waits until their toilet breaks down - and well done.
        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 24 September 2020 17: 03
          0
          One hundred meter yachts are also inaccessible to mass demand, but do you know they build and earn good money on them.
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 25 September 2020 07: 07
            -1
            So the F-35 is also not cheap, but for some reason a small batch does not beat off the development, they push everyone who asks and not so much. In cosmotourism, the sheikhs will skate a couple of times, purely to show off, and will continue to breed their race camels. It is not in vain that NASA plans to lease these "hotel modules"; private traders will have to reduce the price for them in order to lease at least someone.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 25 September 2020 07: 57
              -3
              Since yachts are both sold and sold, there are constantly new nouveau riches who buy more and more.
  6. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 24 September 2020 16: 54
    0
    The navel will break the DSG pull, implement the Lunar program and create / maintain ISS 2.0.
    Most likely, this is just a price increase before bidding to extend the operation of the ISS / spread the budget for its maintenance. A sort of Trump's trend that "the economy should be economical."
  7. orionvitt
    orionvitt 25 September 2020 15: 01
    0
    it is in our interest to support private companies
    Another nonsense from American propagandists that the "market" will "settle" everything. Any private trader, first of all, thinks only about profit and he wanted to spit on space exploration and "loss of place" in low orbit. If NASA is ready to finance projects on the side, then the private owner of course will undertake, but in case of failure, there will be someone to blame for the failure. Nothing to do with NASA, that's all of them. All Musk's "successes" in the field of "private space" are solely financed by the state (USA). Profits from "Space X", none and never will be.