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Weapons of the post-nuclear world: aviation

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Weapons of the post-nuclear world: aviation

Having considered consequences of a global nuclear war, as well as weapons that can be used in war on land, let's move on to considering aviation и fleet post-nuclear world.


Let us recall the factors that complicate the restoration of industry after a nuclear war:
- extinction of the population due to mass death at the very beginning of the conflict due to the highest urbanization and subsequent high mortality due to a general weakening of health, poor nutrition, lack of hygiene, medical care, unfavorable climatic and environmental factors;
- the collapse of the industry due to the failure of high-tech automated equipment, lack of qualified labor and globalization of technological processes;
- the complexity of resource extraction due to the exhaustion of easily accessible deposits and the impossibility of recycling many resources due to their contamination with radioactive substances;
- a decrease in the area of ​​territories available for living and movement, due to radiation contamination of the area and negative climate changes;
- destruction of government in most countries of the world.

Production in the first decades, and even in the first century after the nuclear conflict, will be artisan workshops equipped with primitive equipment. In more developed quasi-state formations, manufactories will appear, at which, to some extent, the conveyor division of labor will be realized.


Aviation is one of the most high-tech branches of the armed forces. It would seem that in the post-nuclear world with its lack of fuel and electronic components, the production of aviation technology would be impossible. However, this is most likely not the case. Mankind has accumulated vast experience in creating aircraft of all types, some of which may well become the basis of aviation in the post-nuclear world.

Lighter than air devices


The first man-made aircraft were heat-ascent balloons. Nowadays, their role is limited to entertainment functions, but in the post-nuclear world they can become the simplest means of warning about an attack or adjusting artillery fire during the defense of populated areas, playing the role of a kind of early warning radar aircraft. Used as an observation post, a balloon with observers on board can be fixed on a cable. The time of his "patrol" will be limited only by the fuel supply and the endurance of the crew.


Heat-lift balloons attached to a cable can be used to detect enemy forces and adjust fire

Thermal airships can be used as a means of reconnaissance for "new" territories. An example is the Au-35 "Polar Goose" - a thermal experimental substratospheric airship, built in 2005, which set the world record for the height of climb for airships (8000 meters).


Thermal airship Au-35 "Polar goose". Volume 2950 cubic meters m, length 25 meters, engines 1 × 15 hp, crew 1 person, passengers 3 people

Renaissance of hydrogen airships that became widespread at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, as well as those currently considered promising helium airships, can be considered unlikely, since the production and storage of both hydrogen and helium is associated with rather high energy costs, while hydrogen is also extremely explosive.

It is unlikely that lighter-than-air aircraft will become widespread in the post-nuclear world; rather, their use will be rather limited and sporadic, since even with the help of a destroyed industry, much more efficient aircraft can be created.

Super small aircraft


Other simple aircraft that can be developed in the post-nuclear world are motorized paragliders and motorized hang-gliders. Due to the simplest design that can be assembled "in the garage", low fuel consumption, low noise and visibility, motorized paragliders and motorized hang-gliders can become the basis of reconnaissance aviation in the post-nuclear world. Another of their applications can be the deployment of reconnaissance and sabotage units or air sabotage: for example, dropping an incendiary device into warehouses of fuels and lubricants (POL).


Motorized paragliders and motorized hang gliders can become the basis of reconnaissance and sabotage aviation in the post-nuclear world

Gradually improving the technological base will make it possible to switch to the production of more complex aircraft. Nevertheless, fuel availability problems and technological limitations will continue to persist, and therefore constructively simple aircraft with maximum fuel efficiency will gain popularity.

Instead of a helicopter


One of the simplest and most efficient flying vehicles is the gyroplane (other names: gyroplane, gyrocopter). Partly resembling a helicopter in appearance, the gyroplane has a completely different principle of flight: the main rotor of the gyroplane, in fact, replaces the wing. Rotating from the incoming air stream, it creates a vertical lift. The acceleration of the gyroplane, which is necessary to obtain the oncoming air flow, is carried out by a pushing or pulling propeller, like in an aircraft.

An autogyro can take off with a short takeoff run of about 10-50 meters and make a vertical landing or landing with a short run of several meters. The gyroplane's speed is up to 180 km / h, fuel consumption is about 15 liters per 100 kilometers at a speed of 120 km / h. The advantage of gyroplanes is their ability to fly steadily in strong winds up to 20 m / s, low vibration, which simplifies observation and firing, ease of control compared to an airplane and a helicopter.


In a post-nuclear world, gyroplanes could replace helicopters, at least until hard-to-find fossil fuels can be accessed

Flight safety of a gyroplane is also higher than that of an airplane and a helicopter. When the engine stops, the gyroplane simply lowers to the ground in autorotation mode. The gyroplane is less sensitive to turbulence and vertical heat flows and does not go into a spin.

Among the disadvantages of the gyroplane, one can note a lower fuel efficiency compared to an aircraft of a similar dimension, but the gyroplane should be compared not with airplanes, but rather with helicopters - because of the possibility of taking off with a fairly short takeoff run and the possibility of vertical landing. Another disadvantage of the gyroplane is the danger of flying in icy conditions, since when the rotor is iced, it quickly leaves the autorotation mode, which leads to a fall. Probably, this disadvantage can be partially compensated for by redirecting the hot exhaust of the engine along the rotor blades.

Autogyros can be used for reconnaissance, sending reconnaissance and sabotage groups, delivering supplies and evacuating the wounded, as well as organizing surprise attacks like "hit and run", provided that guided or unguided weapons are installed on them.


Military gyroplanes of the Chinese armed forces

Small aircraft


Aircraft reincarnation will start with small aircraft. Light aircraft made of wood, plastic and metal, made both according to the “monoplane” and “biplane” schemes, with the simplest piston engines, will lay the foundation for the restoration of transport and military aviation. Initially, the tasks they solve will be extremely limited and will all boil down to the same reconnaissance and sometimes delivering surprise strikes according to the "hit and run" scheme. It will hardly be possible to speak of any systematic delivery of strikes with the help of small aircraft.

The main requirements for post-nuclear aviation will be:
- ease of production and available materials of construction;
- the highest possible fuel efficiency;
- high reliability;
- the ability to operate on unpaved airfields.


The proliferation of small aircraft in the post-nuclear world will be an important step towards returning man to the sky

The lack of a developed airfield network in the post-nuclear world can lead to an increase in the proportion of seaplanes capable of landing on water bodies.


The main advantage of seaplanes is independence from airfields

Anti-guerrilla aircraft


As the industry of the post-nuclear world develops, the aviation means of warfare will be improved and at some point will reach the pre-war level, however, this will be the level that can now be called the minimum.

A striking representative of this type of aviation can be called the EMB-314 Super Tucano light turboprop attack aircraft from the Brazilian company Embraer. Developed on the basis of a training aircraft, it is one of the easiest and most inexpensive combat aircraft to manufacture.


Attack aircraft EMB-314 Super Tucano

Another aircraft of this type is the Air Tractor AT-802i attack aircraft, created on the basis of an agricultural aircraft.


Attack aircraft Air Tractor AT-802i

In Russia / USSR, a similar aircraft was developed - the T-501 attack aircraft, but this machine did not leave the design stage.


Concept of the T-501 attack aircraft

In conclusion, we can mention the LVSh ("easily reproducible attack aircraft") program, which has been carried out in the USSR since the early 80s. The LVS program was originally aimed at developing a "post-apocalyptic aircraft." In the USSR, the possibility of a nuclear war was considered very seriously, and preparations for it, and for its consequences, were conducted accordingly. The LPS program arose as a response to the disruption of industry and technological chains in the post-nuclear world. To organize the production of weapons in a destroyed country, equipment was required that was as technologically advanced and easy to manufacture as possible.

The LVSh program was conducted at the Sukhoi Design Bureau under the guidance of designer E.P. Grunin. Initially, in the terms of reference for the project, it was required to ensure the maximum use of components from the Su-25 attack aircraft. Proceeding from the fact that the Su-25 had the T-8 code, the first aircraft developed according to the LVSh project received the T-8V (twin-engine propeller) and T-8V-1 (single-engine propeller) codes.

In addition to the models developed on the basis of the Su-25, other projects were also considered. For example, the T-710 Anaconda, modeled on the American OV-10 Bronco. Subsequently, LVSh projects based on the fuselages of the Mi-24 and Ka-52 helicopters were also worked out.


Concepts of attack aircraft, created under the LVS program

The exit of the post-nuclear industry to the level where aircraft of the type LVSh can be created can be considered the Rubicon, after which the development of aviation will follow the path that was previously traversed approximately since the end of World War II.

It should be noted that the return of aviation will be strongly influenced by the change in climatic conditions on the planet after a nuclear war. A situation may arise when flights are extremely difficult, for example, due to frequent strong winds, precipitation or a combination of high humidity and low temperatures that cause icing.

Objectives and tactics


As in the case of ground forces, the conduct of full-scale combat operations using aircraft is unlikely to be possible in the post-nuclear world, at least in the first decades, if not in the first century.

The main tasks of the aviation of the post-nuclear world will be:
- exploration of new (meaning in the context of changes that occurred after a nuclear war) territories and sources of resources;
- primary transfer of goods to create strongholds in new territories;
- transportation of valuable resources and cargo;
- escorting convoys, necessary to reduce the risk of being ambushed;
- reconnaissance of actions of opponents, competitors and allies;
- delivery of reconnaissance and sabotage groups to the rear of the enemy;
- inflicting surprise strikes according to the "hit and run" scheme against especially important enemy targets, for example, fuel and lubricants depots.

It can be assumed that problems with electronic components will complicate the creation of radar stations (radars) and anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM), so the air defense forces of the post-nuclear world will primarily rely on artillery weapons. At the same time, the lack of guided weapons (in sufficient quantity) will not allow aviation to dominate the air, since in order to hit a target they will have to approach the enemy, falling into the zone of destruction of anti-aircraft artillery.

Also, the alleged inability of the post-nuclear industry to produce aircraft in large series and problems with fuel will not allow for the possibility of massive use of aviation in hostilities.

The creation of combat aviation will become one of the most difficult technological challenges after a global nuclear war. Another such challenge will be the creation of the navy (Navy). In the next article, we will talk about how the navy of the post-nuclear world will develop.
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  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 25 September 2020 18: 09
    +6
    The creation of combat aviation will be one of the most complex technological challenges after global nuclear war... Another such challenge will be the creation of the navy (Navy).

    Yes, what kind of planes, steamers)))
    “I don’t know what weapon they will fight in the third world war, but in the fourth will fight with sticks and stones».
    1. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 26 September 2020 00: 03
      +6
      Well, about sticks and stones is too much.
      The author did not start from that, it is necessary to start not with weapons (small arms, aircraft, ships), but how the industry (metallurgical, chemical, mining), machine-tool building, etc. will be restored, and based on their state, predict the level and type of possible weapons ...
      1. Romka47
        Romka47 28 September 2020 12: 35
        0
        The author did not start from there, we must start not with weapons (small arms, aircraft, ships), but how the industry will be restored

        In previous articles, he briefly touched on this.
    2. YOUR
      YOUR 26 September 2020 03: 21
      -4
      Fantastic
      Yes, what is the 3rd world .... currently in the USA, Europe and our other "friends" the best air defense / missile defense from our aircraft and missiles - the villas of our officials "deployed" on their territory.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 26 September 2020 04: 03
        0
        how and with what, will we fight after a nuclear war? that is, you will not calm down in any way? only by erasing the "sapiens" from the face of the planet, you can make this world pure and flourishing.
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 26 September 2020 08: 51
        +3
        Quote: YOUR
        Yes, what is the 3rd world .... currently in the USA, Europe and our other "friends" the best air defense / missile defense from our aircraft and missiles - the villas of our officials "deployed" on their territory.

        Why didn't you remember the kids' money? Upushenie.
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 25 September 2020 18: 11
    +6
    "Mad Max. Road Warrior" ._ There was just an autogyro figure.
    I am most impressed by moto hang gliders.
    1. lucul
      lucul 25 September 2020 19: 12
      -2
      I am most impressed by moto hang gliders.

      You can do it like this, the run before takeoff is only 6 m)))
      But here the pilot is really ace ...
      1. Mwg
        Mwg 28 September 2020 10: 07
        0
        Cool! Really, the pilot is AC!
    2. Mwg
      Mwg 28 September 2020 10: 05
      0
      Doesn't it seem that the article was inspired by the 2 part of "Mad Max"? I thought so )))))))
  3. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 25 September 2020 18: 13
    12
    the main task of the post-nuclear world is not aviation, but medicine and food
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 25 September 2020 20: 19
      +6
      That's right! "Water, food and ammo"
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 26 September 2020 09: 22
        +1
        That's right! "Water, food and ammo"
        "Well, everything is tough here. We advise all clients to invest money - everything there is! - in canned food and shotguns." (C) film Gremlins-2
      2. Mwg
        Mwg 28 September 2020 10: 09
        0
        Artem Michurin))))
    2. Grits
      Grits 26 September 2020 15: 54
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      the main task of the post-nuclear world is not aviation, but medicine and food

      and gasoline
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 September 2020 18: 22
        0
        Quote: Gritsa
        and gasoline

        it will end very quickly
    3. Romka47
      Romka47 28 September 2020 12: 34
      0
      True grub, and in conditions when most of the planet is unsuitable for growing / producing grub, it will be in short supply, which means that they will fight for it (and territories suitable for production).
  4. Macsen_wledig
    Macsen_wledig 25 September 2020 18: 14
    17
    Take "Fallout" from the author ... :)
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 25 September 2020 18: 52
      +9
      Quote: Macsen_Wledig
      Take "Fallout" from the author ... :)


      And I would suggest not to select anything, but to add Warhammer 40K. A fierce mixture will turn out.
      1. Bobrick
        Bobrick 1 October 2020 18: 52
        0
        So there was already such a world in the game "Caribbean Crisis".
        Nuclear apocalypse, 4 factions and their features, similar to those of the Warhammer races and this with a nuclear winter, mass famine, the great migration of peoples to the equator, etc.
    2. nnm
      nnm 25 September 2020 19: 34
      +3
      Maxen, take your time, colleague! Wait for your finest hour - when the author of “Iowa” will lead against “Kirov”.
      1. Macsen_wledig
        Macsen_wledig 25 September 2020 19: 46
        +1
        Quote: nnm
        Wait for your finest hour - when the author of “Iowa” will lead against “Kirov”.

        1. nnm
          nnm 25 September 2020 19: 59
          +2
          So the author writes especially for you:
          In the next article, we will talk about how the navy of the post-nuclear world will develop.

          wink hi
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 September 2020 20: 03
      +2
      Quote: Macsen_Wledig
      Take "Fallout" from the author ... :)

      There will be no nuclear Armageddon ... all these missiles, tanks, superpuper submarines, etc., it is all expensive and, in principle, is suitable only against, let's say, weak states.
      Superweapons, much more effective than nuclear missiles and submarines, have been invented for a long time. And this is the superweapon of SOCIAL NETWORK.

      Any state can be destroyed without actually firing more than one missile.
  5. Pavel57
    Pavel57 25 September 2020 18: 30
    +5
    There is another option - civilization will be thrown back for a couple of millennia, and planes will remain in myths, like dragons.
  6. dauria
    dauria 25 September 2020 18: 35
    10
    In the next article, we will talk about how the navy of the post-nuclear world will develop.

    Enough. Do not. That which I have invented is enough. It will be as always after the war - they will block the borders, rob the vanquished. Learn from the battles. Something will be thrown out of the types of weapons for uselessness, something, on the contrary, will begin to develop intensively.
    Even 200 million corpses out of 7 billion will not change anything. In addition to the names of the new leaders on the planet. And even the Internet will remain, do not worry. In it you will write about the post-nuclear fleet. Just learn languages ​​for everyone. You never know who will get out into the hegemon.
    1. nnm
      nnm 25 September 2020 19: 36
      0
      No no no, I have to !!! .... I want to see Maxsen's comments))))
      1. Macsen_wledig
        Macsen_wledig 25 September 2020 19: 47
        +2
        Quote: nnm
        No no no, I have to !!! .... I want to see Maxsen's comments))))

        Did the light come together like a wedge on me? wassat wassat
        1. nnm
          nnm 25 September 2020 20: 00
          +1
          Well, you are one of the 2-3 real specialists in the Navy in the military, where are you without you ...
          He also took and minus me, not a good person))))
          "Plus" put you for it))
          1. Macsen_wledig
            Macsen_wledig 25 September 2020 21: 10
            +1
            Quote: nnm
            Well, you are one of the 2-3 real specialists in the Navy in the military, where are you without you ...

            I'm generally a mimocrocodile ... :)

            Quote: nnm
            He also took and minus me, not a good person))))

            Chesslovo, I'm out of business ...
            1. nnm
              nnm 25 September 2020 21: 13
              0
              Quote: Macsen_Wledig
              I'm generally a mimocrocodile ... :)


              No, Maxwell. There is no need for modesty. You deserve your name (in professional terms) in full. Therefore, one should be proud of this, not modest. Professionalism should always be honored.
              Quote: Macsen_Wledig
              Chesslovo, I'm out of business ...

              I do not know anything. Put ten times "+")))

              And off-topic - I would very much like to hear your opinion about Kuznetsov's memoirs.
              1. nnm
                nnm 25 September 2020 21: 25
                0
                It is a pity that you are not writing articles on the site.
                1. Macsen_wledig
                  Macsen_wledig 25 September 2020 22: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: nnm
                  It is a pity that you are not writing articles on the site.

                  Unfortunately, the circle of my interests is very narrow and limited to a couple of topics that I am slowly digging. In addition, these topics are unlikely to be of interest to the general public ...
                  And I can't write about everything and at once, like some multi-source writers.

                  And over time, problems.
              2. Macsen_wledig
                Macsen_wledig 25 September 2020 22: 47
                +1
                Quote: nnm
                You deserve your name (in professional terms) in full.

                I do not think so...
                But this is my personal opinion. :)

                Quote: nnm
                And off-topic - I would very much like to hear your opinion about Kuznetsov's memoirs.

                I treat the memoirs, so to speak, "calmly" ...
                Memoirs are a natural means of war after the war: pure conjuncture.
                No one (from the highest command level) has yet written that he was wrong ...
                It's very interesting to read the middle link (up to colonel / cap-1).
                1. nnm
                  nnm 25 September 2020 22: 49
                  0
                  Quote: Macsen_Wledig

                  I do not think so...
                  But this is my personal opinion. :)

                  It is wrong.
                  Quote: Macsen_Wledig
                  Memoirs are a natural means of war after the war: pure conjuncture.

                  So prove it ...
                  Start with Hanko, for example, the transition to 41., Stalin's batteries ... after all, no one except you will tell this
                  1. Macsen_wledig
                    Macsen_wledig 25 September 2020 23: 04
                    0
                    Quote: nnm
                    Start with Hanko, for example, the transition to 41., Stalin's batteries ... after all, no one except you will tell this

                    Unfortunately, it so happened that the Soviet Navy is not my topic.
                    On actions in the Baltic, you may well read Platonov - "The Tragedies of the Gulf of Finland", He also has a wonderful two-volume book on the war in northern communications.
                    1. ban
                      ban 26 September 2020 01: 50
                      0
                      I apologize for getting in ... What link won't you throw off on Platonov's two-volume book?
                      Thank you in advance
                      1. Macsen_wledig
                        Macsen_wledig 26 September 2020 10: 25
                        +1
                        Unfortunately, as far as I know, it is not on the net.
                        However, try to search
                        A.V. Platonov. "Struggle on Arctic communications, 1941-1945". SPb. "Rose of the Winds", 2012.
                2. nnm
                  nnm 25 September 2020 22: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Macsen_Wledig
                  Quote: nnm
                  You deserve your name (in professional terms) in full.

                  I do not think so...
                  But this is my personal opinion. :)

                  Quote: nnm
                  And off-topic - I would very much like to hear your opinion about Kuznetsov's memoirs.

                  I treat the memoirs, so to speak, "calmly" ...
                  Memoirs are a natural means of war after the war: pure conjuncture.
                  No one (from the highest command level) has yet written that he was wrong ...
                  It's very interesting to read the middle link (up to colonel / cap-1).

                  So prove it ...
                  Memoirs are a natural means of war after the war: pure conjuncture.
                  Why YOU advise me to read foreign authors ?! I want to read mine !!! Without pathos! Without beautiful! But their own!
                  1. Macsen_wledig
                    Macsen_wledig 25 September 2020 23: 01
                    0
                    Quote: nnm
                    Why YOU advise me to read foreign authors ?!

                    Um ... I would like to understand from what you made such a conclusion?
              3. Romka47
                Romka47 28 September 2020 12: 39
                0
                You deserve your name (in professional terms) in full. I agree with you, the person really deserves respect. I always read the comments of Macsen_Wledig with interest and respect hi
    2. nnm
      nnm 25 September 2020 19: 38
      +4
      And according to your comment, I am afraid that 200 million irrecoverable losses is, oh, how optimistic. Taking into account the involvement of China, Europe .... the losses will definitely be many times greater. Apart from the losses from the consequences.
      1. dauria
        dauria 25 September 2020 19: 45
        +1
        I'm afraid that 200 million irrecoverable losses is oh, how optimistic


        These are the numbers for the 79th year. The most real. Before any SALT agreements, reductions and so on. When 2 weeks were given to go to Biscay and Channel, to look across the strait at the melted Big Ben and the twisted Eiffel Tower. So at least they taught in a military school. 120 for them, 130 for us. Not immediately, after a couple of months. You see, the population density was slightly different. Europe was not considered, what are they to be considered, sick.
        1. nnm
          nnm 25 September 2020 19: 57
          +1
          Do not forget that all these military "estimates" are intended to convey that everything is fine, we will live. Washington in 2017 estimated losses at $ 500 million in the first weeks. And if we assume that all of Europe will receive the first wave, that China, India, Pakistan with their population density will certainly be drawn in, that ruins will remain from our European part, that 200-300 warheads are aimed at the northern energy regions with cities of 8-10k to the region, and from the air defense pole -0, then, oh, how doubtful even these 500 million.
          I can say one thing - I really do not want to check in practice which of us is right. Better let the children grow up in the world.
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 25 September 2020 20: 12
        0
        Losses from consequences within 10 - 20 years can amount to two thirds of the world's population. Plus a near-zero gain. Plus unpredictable losses from diseases that will definitely change for the worse.
      3. zwlad
        zwlad 26 September 2020 21: 43
        0
        China will "sit by the river and watch the corpses of enemies float by."
        1. Operator
          Operator 26 September 2020 22: 06
          -1
          In the event of a global mix, China will be hammered from three sides bully
          1. zwlad
            zwlad 26 September 2020 22: 10
            0
            Hardly. The number of charges is very limited. And they will not be scattered.
            1. Operator
              Operator 26 September 2020 22: 13
              0
              And who says that sending charges to China in order to prevent a river / observer situation is their spread? bully
              1. zwlad
                zwlad 26 September 2020 22: 21
                0
                Well, as an option it is quite possible. And who will beat the third?
                1. Operator
                  Operator 26 September 2020 22: 24
                  0
                  India or Japan (which has several tens of kilograms of plutonium produced at nuclear power plants), and maybe both at the same time.
  7. garri-lin
    garri-lin 25 September 2020 18: 50
    +4
    Fuel efficiency is controversial. High fuel efficiency engines are usually more complex. Their production is unlikely to be possible. I think there will be regular engines of the level of the beginning of WW2. If land transport can be converted to solid fuel, then with aviation it will be almost impossible. In the event of a shortage of fossil fuels, alcohol can replace it. Renewable resource. Theoretically, you can think of airplanes running on gas. On methane.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 20: 47
      +1
      How to get methane on an industrial scale? How to liquefy it? (I'm talking about the post-apocalypse era). There are a lot of problems with methane as a fuel. By the way, planes flew on methane - Tu155.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 25 September 2020 21: 03
        +1
        Why liquefy? Automobile LPG is not compressed? It is quite possible to adapt for a small maize machine of type Po 2 in the absence of liquid fuel. And a bioreactor on waste can be made almost on the knee. He flew on gas not only Tu 155. But the gas does not withstand competition yet. And in the absence of competition, they may well be applied.
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 21: 12
          0
          Do you know what the pressure in car methane cylinders is? Do you know how much these cylinders weigh? Do you think compressing gas is easier than liquefying? Do you know why compressed gas has not received such distribution in transport as liquefied gas?
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 25 September 2020 21: 20
            0
            A friend has a compressor for pumping air into the scuba. Small unit on gasoline. It pumps 400 atmospheres and easily fits into a small car banadnik mixed with an aquolang. Once on gasoline, it will not be difficult to convert to methane gas. Cylinder for methane weighs 50 kilograms. It is enough for a distance equal to the mileage of 70 liters of gasoline. 2 pairs of such tanks are enough for several hours of flight.
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 21: 36
              +1
              The volume of the Po-2 gas tank is 125 liters, i.e. the weight is about 100 kg, some tanks with gaseous methane will be heavier. Further discussion is pointless.
              By the way, the weight of a methane automobile cylinder ranges from 60 to 90 kg, depending on the modification, it is designed for 200 atm. and holds (I don't remember exactly here) 40 liters.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 25 September 2020 21: 44
                +2
                How much harder? Here the problem is different, I was waiting for when you say, but I will tell you. Figs with him with fuel. Gas. Alcohol. Synthetic gasoline from coal. There are options, but lubricating oils without oil will be much more difficult to do. And their consumption and quality in aviation are high.
                1. Sergey Valov
                  Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 21: 46
                  +1
                  I have forgotten about the oils.
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 25 September 2020 21: 53
                    0
                    Many people forget about such little things. And life consists of such little things.
                    1. Sergey Valov
                      Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 23: 09
                      0
                      I agree that little things determine a lot. After all, we also need rubber for pneumatics, devices, adhesives, sealants, high-alloy steel for weapons and hydraulics, we need test benches ...
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 25 September 2020 23: 49
                        0
                        About the planes? See what Po 2 is. Or his flying contemporaries. Aviation will be resumed with just such flying plywood. No alloy steels. And other excesses.
                2. Niel-le-Calais
                  Niel-le-Calais 25 September 2020 23: 15
                  0
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  There are options, but lubricating oils without oil will be much more difficult to do.

                  it is difficult to "make" food without oil.
                  And since without oil we will not produce enough food, famine will descend on the remaining population. Plus the ecology is not very good. And the climate will change.
                  Oh yes ... more medicine ... those diseases that are long gone will again rage.
                  Again, due to the lack of oil ..
                  Pharmaceuticals ...
                  In the literal sense, we now eat, drink, and are treated with oil. She has the meaning of life ..
                  And somehow we get down from her weakly.
                  Is it a global protracted crisis ..
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 25 September 2020 23: 52
                    0
                    Petrochemicals consume more than fuel. And how long.
                3. Bobrick
                  Bobrick 1 October 2020 18: 56
                  0
                  With oil, it's just easier, use the same diluted tar, various diluted soaps (regular) or a kind of creosote.
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 1 October 2020 19: 14
                    0
                    As an engine oil? Moreover, for a semi-handicraft ICE assembly. With increased temperature control and increased tolerances and clearances?
                    1. Bobrick
                      Bobrick 1 October 2020 19: 44
                      0
                      Just not a problem, you can fundamentally abandon a closed lubrication and cooling system (do it, roughly, like on two-stroke motorcycles or on a T-34 tank and use fuel mixed with oil and lubricate parts and used as fuel).

                      The temperature regime is also not a problem if he agrees in advance to lower parameters (in the post-apocalypse there will be no other), i.e. reduce the compression ratio to 4..6 with a drop in efficiency, of course, but as they say, it's better to drive badly than go well.

                      By tolerances, too, there will not be such a strong problem, since modern measuring instruments are much more accurate than those used in the early 20th century, the same depth gauges, bore gauges, surface plates, end measures of length or calipers are widespread enough to be found in an automobile repair shop and etc.
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 1 October 2020 20: 02
                        +1
                        Also an option, only a lot of oil will be boring. Although, on the other hand, at the same Po, 2 liters of oil were consumed for 8 liters of fuel. Huge expense.
                      2. Bobrick
                        Bobrick 1 October 2020 20: 26
                        0
                        All the same, it is wrong, the heat intensity can be reduced by improving cooling (wet sleeves, fast circulation of the coolant or increasing its amount, etc.) or by reducing the operating mode (meaning to burn less fuel in a certain time, etc.).

                        By lowering the compression ratio, you can reduce fuel requirements and stresses in working parts.
                      3. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 1 October 2020 20: 36
                        0
                        In any case, the oil problem is more acute in relation to the fuel problem. If you use, for example, alcohol as a fuel, how rational is it to add oil to it as in two-stroke engines? Ersatz fuel plus ersatz oil. Plus the motors are assembled on the knee. The engineers of the future have many interesting challenges to solve.
                      4. Bobrick
                        Bobrick 1 October 2020 21: 11
                        0
                        Once I heard a story about an engine for an electric generator in a village school in Stalin's time.

                        After the story that such an engine was started with handles and the fuel for starting was set on fire with a rag, it worked either on fuel oil, or on some similar fuel, which was brought to a liquid state by the heat of the engine, and was fed by gravity, problems like these seem ridiculous ...
                        The engine worked on almost everything that burned and could be liquid.

                        Compared to this, any proposed ersatz is a really high-quality product.

                        Fuels and lubricants like these were not even considered ersatz even 80 years ago.
                        In those early years, even the injection of water directly into the cylinder was a fairly frequent phenomenon (and the efficiency increases and the cooling is good).
                        In general, we can say about alcohol that as a fuel for highly loaded engines, it is even better than modern gasolines (the octane number for ethyl is 120, for methyl -150), less soot due to the higher hydrogen content, better combustion and higher temperature, etc. ...

                        Ps Perhaps the biggest problem is only in people.
                        Few people simply imagine how to put a log house without a chainsaw, but here a whole production using already known technologies and equipment, comparable to the provincial MTS of Stalin's time, needs to be deployed.
                        The ancestors once won the war like that, but now, in a hypothetical situation, under similar conditions, in general, we are generally talking about survival !, not restoration.
                      5. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 1 October 2020 21: 37
                        0
                        The hands of the man in the street are very wry. And the growth zone of the arms dropped to half of the body.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 25 September 2020 19: 03
    +3
    it's good that NO ONE SUPPLIED + THE HERO zero - article level
  • Pamir
    Pamir 25 September 2020 19: 15
    +1
    Yeah, this is the topic, it's just like in the movie "What Men Talk About", when there is about the Germans a hundred and five times, Kamil already skewed, as if from a toothache - "Why are you again with your Germans?" we must wait for an article about the post-apocalyptic ships of the Navy, which ply the vastness of large and small theaters.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 September 2020 22: 42
      +1
      Quote: Pamir
      Well, okay, we must wait for an article about post-apocalyptic ships of the Navy

      Why wait for them, everything was invented before us ...


      In short, review the film. laughing Although, to be honest, I liked the movie ...
  • Pamir
    Pamir 25 September 2020 19: 26
    +2
    Someone got hooked, just like in the second part of "What They Talk About", when the pizza delivery man came again.
    -What does he say came?
    I don't know, the kid probably liked it.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 25 September 2020 19: 39
    +2
    The first oncoming and ancient Needle from military warehouses will put a complete end to post-apocalyptic aviation. laughing
  • Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 25 September 2020 19: 43
    +1
    Long to dispute.
    Among the population, losses will be approximately 30% in general, taking into account the long-term consequences.
    Hell will be everywhere, of course, which means everyone is equal.
    The Aerospace Forces, as well as the armed forces in general, will remain largely intact.
    In 5 years, everything will be generally normal in comparison with the surrounding countries.
    ps I'm not in favor of nuclear war.
    There will be no cave age.
    I do not agree to explain in more detail.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 25 September 2020 20: 15
      0
      Ready for dialogue. Explain. Personally, I see a planet-wide ecological catastrophe with the use of Nuclear Weapons. All members of the "Nuclear Club"
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 25 September 2020 20: 18
        +2
        The inevitability of a nuclear war will be clear in a long time.
        The population is evacuated to the districts, as well as key equipment.
        The army will hardly suffer.
        What else?
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 25 September 2020 20: 30
          +1
          What's next? The city is destroyed. The power systems are destroyed. The factories are destroyed. Part of the fertile land is contaminated with radiation from destroyed power plants and chemistry from destroyed factories. We'll have to populate previously empty lands. Start everything from scratch. Elementary, where can people get seeds for their own gardens? Most modern crops are breeding varieties. They do not produce viable seeds. There will be problems with livestock feed too. There will not be enough reserves for a long time and they may well cause internal conflicts. And I kept silent about the main, in my opinion, problems. Clean air and clean water. The consequences will be very serious and after the end of the exchange of blows nothing will stop. The process of reducing the areas suitable for human habitation will continue for a very long time. And people will have to defend their property and remaining resources.
          1. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 25 September 2020 20: 34
            +2
            Quote: garri-lin
            What's next? The city is destroyed. The power systems are destroyed.

            Stop, stop, stop.
            No one says that it will be the same.
            But key things will be preserved. There will be no nuclear slag-filled continuous desert.
            Boiler houses, diesel generators and other "little things" will remain.
            Will restore production and processing, under the control of the ARMY and POLICE.
            It will be difficult, but not irreversible.
            Were you in the army?) They now eat beef frozen in UNDERGROUND freezers, they don't need electricity. 1937 is stamped.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 25 September 2020 20: 59
              +1
              Most industrial facilities appear as targets. Can you imagine what a chemical plant with toxic production destroyed by a nuclear explosion is? And what about oil storage facilities? Remember at the beginning of the year several thousand tons of solarium leaked? What consequences? And it is people who work. With a complex technique. The consequences are eliminated. A nuclear power plant? What would happen to Europe if the liquidators did not sacrifice their lives at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant? And there are a huge number of such stations. Even according to optimistic forecasts, oh, how bad it will be.
              1. Alexey Sommer
                Alexey Sommer 25 September 2020 21: 01
                +2
                Quote: garri-lin
                Most industrial facilities appear as targets. Can you imagine what a chemical plant with toxic production is

                I imagine ..
                But there are not so many of them, that's why I write 30% loss.
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 25 September 2020 21: 15
                  +1
                  The downside of people is that they are gregarious. They live crowded. Moreover, the village in Russia died 20 years ago. By the way, do you really believe that in case of kipish people will be taken out? Here, during a pandemic, it is difficult to get your hands to wash and wear masks. As soon as the population is told that it is necessary to go beyond the Urals to the refugee camps, there will be such a howl that mum does not cry. Everyone will begin to demand compensation for a million and insist on their rights. The forceful method is not an option. The civilian will begin.
                  1. Alexey Sommer
                    Alexey Sommer 26 September 2020 08: 34
                    0
                    OK. I answer.
                    Let's take the Tula region as an example.
                    Population 1 400 000 people.
                    Largest city Tula 500 people
                    Cities with a population of more than 100 people except the regional center - "000"
                    There are a total of 18 district centers "cities" with an average population of less than 15. You mean all these cities will be bombed with thermonuclear warheads? Does the USA have so many of them? Do not forget that they need to bomb not only cities and villages in our country, but also military bases! Do not forget that several cities are targeted by several warheads, and some cities are also protected by our missile defense systems. And not just cities, but entire regions. For example, the "central industrial area", which includes the Mos region and all surrounding areas.
                    Thus, if the Tula region is struck, even without taking into account the evacuation, no more than 300 people will die immediately. This is a tragedy, but not the end of the story.
                    At the same time, keep in mind that when a bomb explodes, radiation in the epicenter is no longer fatal in about a month.
                    There will be no special compensation, this is a war, which means "force majeure"
                    Thus, those states that are better organized will win.
                    In Siberia, everything will be even better for the population, and for the army too.
                    Sorry, crookedly, obliquely wrote his thoughts but as best he could.
                    However, of course, God forbid that. hi
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 26 September 2020 08: 48
                      0
                      So I am about the fact that a huge number of settlements will not be affected. But the secondary impact from the destruction of enterprises will affect them.
                      1. Alexey Sommer
                        Alexey Sommer 26 September 2020 08: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        But the secondary impact from the destruction of enterprises will affect them.

                        Yes, but not fatal.
                      2. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 26 September 2020 08: 55
                        0
                        One chemical plant can turn a river tens and hundreds of kilometers into dead water. One reactor of Chernobyl was dirtied by the field of Europe despite the fact that it was quickly covered. An exploded dam on a large river can wash away not just the banks but cities downstream. And so it can be continued for a long time.
                      3. Alexey Sommer
                        Alexey Sommer 26 September 2020 08: 56
                        +1
                        Yes! Yes! That's right. But do you personally have a dam nearby that will drown you?
                        NUCLEAR PLANT? Yes! but how many are there next to you?
                        Chemical plant? Yes! But that will pass quickly.
                        And somewhere this is not at all.
                        There will be huge areas with perfectly acceptable damage.
                        And don't forget that a sudden nuclear strike is unlikely.
                        There, too, are not unpredictable psychos and quite predictable and adequate people.
                      4. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 26 September 2020 09: 13
                        0
                        A chemical plant, depending on production, can be no less dangerous and durable than a nuclear power plant. I live in a resort area, here we have nothing at all. So we will be minimally affected by the consequences.
                      5. Alexey Sommer
                        Alexey Sommer 26 September 2020 09: 15
                        +2
                        In short, let's go for health and peace. drinks
                      6. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 26 September 2020 11: 35
                        +1
                        Both hands for. I just always thought that the saying was correct: You want peace, get ready for war.
          2. Rage66
            Rage66 28 September 2020 12: 24
            +1
            They will definitely bomb ... God forbid, but they will definitely ... In Votkinsk, the population is less than 100.000, but there will be Vanguard. Therefore, we must bomb.
            And in Tula there are 500.000 and military factories. Will be sure ... God forbid!
    2. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 26 September 2020 08: 36
      +1
      Above in the answer, our colleague roughly described. What will happen. hi
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 25 September 2020 22: 18
    +1
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Among the population, losses will be approximately 30% in general, taking into account the long-term consequences.

    I don't quite agree. If we consider a global nuclear war, then 30% is only in the first hours. You have taken into account that strikes will be delivered to such infrastructure facilities as nuclear power plants, reservoirs, dams. Factories, ports and cities - of course. Nuclear power plants will give an order of magnitude more pollution than hydrogen suitcases. If the Status strike is realized, it is difficult to imagine what will happen to the western coast of the ASPnet. Add 95 reactors there, which we will definitely bombard. Ours is not much better, but there are only 11 nuclear power plants (38 REACTORS), the destroyed reservoirs will give such an epidemic situation that biological war is not needed (and it will also be), as well as chemical war. Next, a war will begin for the relatively clean regions. Australia, Africa, partly South America will become battlegrounds.
    Summary: God forbid that 30% would survive, especially considering the long-term consequences.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 26 September 2020 09: 23
      +1
      Quote: avdkrd
      Summary: God forbid that 30% would survive, especially considering the long-term consequences.

      Maybe. But returning to clean regions, I would not include Australia in the place of our General Staff, but would hit, for example, Poseidon without fail, as well as in New Zealand.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 25 September 2020 19: 50
    +4
    It can be seen that the author is far from a real understanding of the issue.
    Before building an airplane, you need to obtain materials for its manufacture, make components and assemblies from these materials, and only then assemble the airplanes.
    And this is non-ferrous and ferrous metallurgy, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, chemistry, etc.
    Without all this, the remaining craftsmen can only collect some simple models from the remains, using cannibalism as a source of spare parts.
    As for the manufacture of aircraft from scratch, anyone can read books about the dawn of aeronautics and imagine how this process will take place in general terms in the post-nuclear world.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 25 September 2020 20: 19
      +1
      The educated people who survived, if necessary, will be able to establish piece production of aircraft of the 30s 40s level of the last century. Over time, the evolution of technology may begin, and since the general direction, from memory, it will be clear it will proceed faster.
      1. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 20: 32
        0
        This will not happen, since there will be no electricity, no liquid fuel, no metal rolling. There won't even be a need for aviation.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 25 September 2020 20: 47
          +1
          The need will be. The people of the least affected regions will fight off the crowds of armed refugees. Or conflict with each other for the remaining resources. Electricity will be provided by generators or small power plants. There will be liquid fuel too. The same alcohol. Recycling scrap metal for piece production is a simple thing. Initially, they will finish off the resource of what remains. Then collective farm mutants from several dissimilar samples. Then you will have to establish the release of new ones. Even Herbert Wells in his post-apocalypse, I don't remember the name, and then they tried to transfer the work of aircraft engines to work on coal dust. Even then, realizing the huge advantages that aviation gives.
          1. Sergey Valov
            Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 20: 56
            +1
            In the post-apocalypse, food and housing will be the main problems. Generators and power plants need fuel, where can I get it? You consider the world as if civilization will remain, and the problems will only be with technology. But, most likely, states will also collapse, and everything will collapse with them - communications, financial system, transport, industry, healthcare, education ... What kind of aviation is there?
            And HG Wells is so, gloomy reading for the night.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 25 September 2020 21: 08
              +1
              I'm just talking about the poorly organized life of a small town with a feudal system, labor service. Fields around and other attributes of the City-State. Remember this term from history? In my youth, schoolchildren assembled hang gliders from scrap metal. And the students managed to attach engines from Minsk to them and plan the screws by hand in the evenings. Nothing is impossible. Something level 2 or And 16 can be built.
              1. Sergey Valov
                Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 21: 22
                +1
                Everything is correct, only in the post-apocalypse there will be no students, no internal combustion engines, or even an idea of ​​what a hang glider is. There will be scrap metal, but there will be no time and effort to make labor-intensive toys out of it.
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 25 September 2020 21: 28
                  +1
                  Where will they go? Will everyone be turned into shamans and hunters by a wave? Degradation will be slow and will begin after the end of the war. Some knowledge will remain, textbooks, masters, the revival of civilization will not be out of the blue. People will have an urgent need to increase their military potential, and everything that is possible will be done for this.
                  1. Sergey Valov
                    Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 21: 39
                    0
                    Where will they go? Either they will die, or they will be engaged in the extraction of food. The degradation will most likely be an avalanche; it is now, in a rather good time, it is slow.
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 25 September 2020 21: 51
                      +1
                      Not all societies will be affected by degradation. Areas populated but not affected by the initial attacks and those not affected by subsequent infestations will become enclaves of civilization. I'm talking about them. The affected regions will be in a much worse situation.
                      1. Sergey Valov
                        Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 23: 01
                        +1
                        It will be good if the territories not affected by nuclear strikes have some kind of industrial and cultural potential. Then the revival of civilization can begin immediately after the apocalypse. What if this does not happen and countries like Somalia or Nepal turn out to be relatively clean and intact? No one can know this.
                      2. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 25 September 2020 23: 47
                        0
                        The depths of mother Russia. All NATO will not have enough charges to fill everything. Much depends on the person. In the same Somalia, except for how to steal, there is little they can do.
                      3. Grandfather
                        Grandfather 26 September 2020 04: 23
                        +2
                        an amazing topic, reading the comments, I already plunged into post-appocalepsis, and the brain itself began to generate ideas of survival, something my colleagues threw in, something I conjectured myself ... I almost went to fix the hole in the garage ... bunker "within reach ... oh well, nafig! I remembered in time that I would soon be seventy! do I need it? wassat
                      4. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 26 September 2020 08: 41
                        0
                        And who will teach the youth? The value of an experienced person in difficult times increases many times.
          2. Bobrick
            Bobrick 1 October 2020 19: 11
            0
            ICE is now being done literally on the knee.
            Basically, you can easily do without more than being able to cast on an investment model (made with resin handles, etc.).

            You can even do without this and immediately create Stirling engines, which will already help to mechanize the economy to the level of steam tractors working on everything that burns (from frozen fish to hay and cow cakes).

            No, of course there will be a fall, but centuries before the 19th, approximately to the level of a factory worker
            a merchant Demidov or a peasant assigned to a village plant.
      2. Siberian54
        Siberian54 27 September 2020 06: 35
        0
        About finances separately ... cards, ATMs ... online transfers, all this will become a fairy tale ... a terrible fairy tale, cold lovers in the winter ... without any war, just a Moscow mutiny, and the Far East, frozen for almost ten years ...
  • Sergey Valov
    Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 20: 28
    +2
    The author is far from very much. For example, he does not know that the gyroplane is not what he writes about. But another thing is more interesting to me - why do such articles reach publication?
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 25 September 2020 20: 59
      +5
      What are you surprised at. Now 80 percent of the site's content is of this level. Obviously, there are not enough financial resources for other authors or there is simply no desire. "And so it will do ...".
      The main clickbait is in the News section, where the hamsters are raging.
      1. Motorist
        Motorist 27 September 2020 01: 24
        0
        Quote: Undecim
        The main clickbait is in the News section, where the hamsters are raging.

        And here, I understand, the "elite". Let me ask you: what are the parameters of "hamsters"? Intelligence? Lifetime? I just haven't heard such a definition before.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 27 September 2020 16: 40
          0
          Почитайте http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8
          And look in the mirror. Get a complete picture.
          1. Motorist
            Motorist 27 September 2020 16: 55
            +1
            Thanks for the article, it was interesting. It is possible that there are such personalities in VO. For personal insult in the form of a "mirror" I will not put a minus - the article went into the offset.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 27 September 2020 16: 58
              +1
              Least of all I wanted to offend you. Just before writing about the mirror, I read your comments.
              Quite possible. that I was wrong. Time will tell. All the best.
              1. Motorist
                Motorist 27 September 2020 17: 15
                +1
                Hmm ... I lack more than the 1st, 2nd and last pages of the interlocutor's comments - you have patience, however! Time will hardly tell - everything in my comments will be the way I want it. All the best to you too. hi
    2. Shopping Mall
      28 September 2020 14: 12
      0
      Quote: Sergey Valov
      The author is far from very much. For example, he does not know that the gyroplane is not what he writes about ...


      And what is an "autogyro"? Have you misled anything?
      1. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 28 September 2020 14: 35
        0
        This is how the author says “the main rotor of the gyroplane, in fact, replaces the wing. Rotating from the incoming air stream, it creates a vertical lift. The acceleration of the gyroplane, necessary to obtain the incoming air flow, is carried out by a pushing or pulling propeller, like in an aircraft. "
        But in fact, the gyroplane is driven by BOTH propellers.
        1. Shopping Mall
          29 September 2020 07: 47
          0
          Quote: Sergey Valov
          This is how the author says “the main rotor of the gyroplane, in fact, replaces the wing. Rotating from the incoming air stream, it creates a vertical lift. The acceleration of the gyroplane, necessary to obtain the incoming air flow, is carried out by a pushing or pulling propeller, like in an aircraft. "
          But in fact, the gyroplane is driven by BOTH propellers.


          No.

          Like a helicopter, a gyroplane has a main rotor to create lift, however, the gyroscopic propeller rotates freely under the action of aerodynamic forces in the autorotation mode... The free rotor of the gyroplane is possible with a simplified scheme, without changing the overall pitch. It creates only lift and in flight is tilted back against the flow, like a fixed wing with a positive angle of attack. In a helicopter, on the contrary, the propeller (together with the body) tilts in the direction of motion [1], creating lifting and propulsive forces [2] by the driving rotor simultaneously. In addition to the supporting rotor, the gyroplane also has a pulling or pushing propeller (propeller), which tells the gyroplane its horizontal speed.

          An intermediate position between the gyroplane and the helicopter is occupied by a rotorcraft, which has a plug-in main rotor drive from the engine and differs from the gyroplane in that it can use not only the autorotation mode, but also the helicopter flight mode... At high speeds, the rotor system of the rotorcraft acts in a similar way to a gyroplane (in autorotation mode), providing only lift, but not thrust. We can say that the rotorcraft combines the qualities of an autogyro and a helicopter.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 25 September 2020 20: 03
    +1
    Alternatives?
    Why here? Do they not print anywhere else?
  • iouris
    iouris 25 September 2020 20: 13
    +1
    Do nuclear weapons still exist? Does it work? Are you sure? Why are you so sure? How to check?
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 25 September 2020 20: 22
    0
    Tse is understandable.
    But this aircraft will be amerovskoy.
    1) The presence of a large number of light, medium, heavy civil aviation.
    This means both trained pilots and a repair and production base.
    2) the same is true for stocks of old aircraft. Both combat propellers and supplies to them are stored.
    Nearby are workshops for the repair and collection of small series for fans.
    3) The same is for fuel supplies. Installations are often right in the states, underfoot.
    It seems much better than ours - in Asia, Siberia, Kazan, the Caucasus.
    4) The people are stupidly more than in Russia.

    So, under equal conditions, this aircraft will be Amerovskoy.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 26 September 2020 02: 52
      0
      Rather, the Chinese - the industry of North Americans and most of the developed world went to the Chinese and, therefore, more of it will survive there, especially the production of means of production and personnel there most of all, especially skilled metalworkers. Therefore, everything will be Chinese.
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 26 September 2020 08: 32
        0
        Years through 20-30.

        Bye - air - from the amers ...
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 26 September 2020 14: 14
          0
          The aircraft fleet is being repaired in the country that has it literally every second, and in the absence of technical support, its units quickly get stuck. And the Chinese, even if they do not have a large light-engine fleet, will have significant residual post-war industrial capacities for its production. Therefore, after a few months, the American fleet is already mostly on the ground and cannibalize itself for spare parts, while the Chinese are only expanding their conveyor lines and have a brand new aircraft fleet. And it is impossible for the Americans to get the Chinese - there are no large armada of transoceanic aircraft, no aircraft carriers ...
          1. Aleks2000
            Aleks2000 27 September 2020 11: 59
            0
            IMHO, the logic is strange.
            !), the Americans will obviously not cut them on airplanes like in a taxi. Support - they have a bunch of small workshops.
            2) Why would the Chinese suddenly "expand their park" after the apoclipsis ??

            If conditionally, will it strike everyone about the same? Zombie apocalypse, for example?
            1. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san 27 September 2020 15: 17
              0
              Technical support is not only repair, but also the release, for example, of all kinds of units and new engines instead of worn-out ones, consumables, etc. For this, factories are needed - for over a century, ordinary blacksmiths do not repair the same cars, as it was at the dawn of the automotive industry, but only a car mechanic and Services.
              The Chinese have a huge domestic small aircraft fleet. Moreover, North American small planes and aircraft are not their own aircraft, but also Chinese (including even jet business jets). The Chinese make aircraft and spare parts for aircraft brands Cessna and Cirrus and many other brands. The same is true for vehicles and diesel locomotives, ships - which means that land and water transport of military, special and post-apocalypse industrial equipment will remain with the Chinese. They try, under good circumstances, to buy brands hovering over the abyss of financial trouble, such as Beechcraft, but they did not allow this, but other brands got on the network. Buying a brand and selling equipment under it, they develop their aircraft industry and other mass small and medium-sized aircraft manufacturing, there is no auto-motorboat building in the world, there are only brand screens. Details can be viewed using the words "light aircraft of China" or "drones of China", "boats from China", etc., etc.
              From the former factories for jet business jets, the Chinese will have factories for the production of excellent air command posts, reconnaissance aircraft, especially sea and light tankers and bombers for planning ammunition, missiles, torpedoes. Very light equipment will probably be produced in the form of an assembly kit and not a finished aircraft and immediately with the possibility of using it as a drone, so as not to depend on problems with trained personnel - the Chinese have their own mass electronics. It is still produced as a "kit-a" kit and is assembled, like a purchased boxed Chinese bicycle, by the buyer of aircraft.
              You need to expand the release to get the required "circulation" of technology - here you can remember how many simple and inexpensive aircraft and aircraft were made in the period before WWII and what series were back during WWII. This number was killed by the cost and complexity that increased with the transition to jet aircraft.
              Not related to transport - mining and drilling equipment, machine tools and tools, metallurgical, chemical and oil installations, construction equipment and power equipment, laboratory equipment and instruments - all this is Chinese-made, despite the brand, which means that only the Chinese can give in the era post-apocalypse for those who want and can engage in the extraction of hard-to-reach modern natural resources.
              1. Aleks2000
                Aleks2000 27 September 2020 20: 47
                -1
                You will have everything "will, will, will" ... Someday it may and will be, but conventionally, the conversation is about "now".

                In the meantime, it is the amerovskie families that have family planes at private airfields.
                And I have never heard of Chinese consumer goods here. As well as about Chinese family airplanes. Even in the Chinese militants they somehow do not exist.

                So, IMHO, something is not right.
                1. ycuce234-san
                  ycuce234-san 27 September 2020 23: 12
                  0
                  The owners of aircraft production facilities are more important than the owners of aircraft products. The Chinese have it differently - there the aircraft fleet is mainly in the hands of organizations and even business aviation is owned by corporations and not owned by a specific individual, with rare exceptions. And light motor vehicles are used in the national economy - in agricultural aviation, forest aviation, geosto survey, fish prospecting, etc., etc. business class cars - even more people can afford it in the USA. But the domestic market and industrial potential is huge - hundreds of thousands of people work only directly at aircraft production without subcontractors. And everything else is important, because the principle of the pyramid works and aviation stands at its top, and at the base there is mining equipment, raw materials and machines, transport, energy and qualified personnel not only from the aviation industry but all the steps of the pyramid below, etc.
                  There are review articles on the network on the device of the Chinese aviation industry:
                  "China will fly over America in private jets"
                  "Economic aspects of reforming the aviation industry in China"
                  "Reforming China's Aviation Industry (2011)"
                  "China's Aviation Industry (2009)"
                  "Demand for private jets is growing in China"
                  1. Aleks2000
                    Aleks2000 28 September 2020 23: 46
                    0
                    Thanks. It's too late to read Segonya.
                    So the sky will be Chinese too ...
                    1. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 29 September 2020 01: 36
                      0
                      By the way, throwing some firewood - "silver champions" in post-nuclear aviation and rocketry ... Indians. They also have a real industry brought from all over the world + their own developments + their own Chinese and Western (but physically located in the Chinese) industry began to move to them. You can read:
                      "The Role of the Private Sector in India's Defense Industry (2020)"
                      Dutta Kuntak Problems of Aviation Industry Development in India // Actual Problems of Aviation and Cosmonautics. 2016. No. 12. URL: https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/problemy-razvitiya-aviatsionnoy-otrasli-v-indii (date accessed: 29.09.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX).
  • cosmospetrovich
    cosmospetrovich 25 September 2020 20: 24
    +1
    They'll burn out the fuck up the whole atmosphere, or maybe a nuclear winter from raised dust ... for tens of years. There is no time for aviation and navy. Fuck a lot of people, and the survivors will face a lot of problems in terms of survival. And certainly there will be no time for balloons and hang gliders with sailboats on an air cushion.
  • mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 25 September 2020 20: 26
    +2
    Ostap suffered
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 25 September 2020 21: 07
    +1
    I disagree radically. In the first 5-15 years, in any case, what has been accumulated will be used. And then the state entities will reboot.
  • Rage66
    Rage66 25 September 2020 21: 34
    -3
    Thank you, laughed heartily!
    The author imagines himself to be Nostradamus and dumped all his knowledge about small aircraft, airships and even "anti-guerrilla aircraft" on public display.
    However, he did not ask himself simple questions:
    1. Who and for what purpose will be partisans in the nuclear desert? In his place, I would call such planes "anti-marauder" and then, in case the author is seriously ill and imagined in a dream a picture that the nuclear powers now have hundreds of secret hangars with small aircraft prepared for use in the post-nuclear world.
    2. Who will manage and maintain these masterpieces of engineering. Or are there already special storage facilities where hundreds of embryos of future pilots and technicians are prepared?
    There are many more questions, but these are the most obvious ones.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 25 September 2020 23: 59
    0
    in the LVSh concept, the second plane in the upper row is similar to the French SO8000 of the late 40s wink
  • Ham
    Ham 26 September 2020 05: 07
    +1
    need to play less fallout ...
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 26 September 2020 09: 06
    +1
    A similar situation is often described in science fiction.
    Not necessarily war. Often - some kind of disaster.

    Of ours, one of the most realistic on the topic of the article is Cruz
    He singles out amers, and less - Europe.
    1) The presence of a large number of light, medium, heavy civil aviation.
    This means both trained pilots and a repair and production base.
    2) the same is true for stocks of old aircraft. Both combat propellers and supplies to them are stored.
    Nearby are workshops for the repair and collection of small series for fans.
    3) The same is for fuel supplies. Installations are often right in the states, underfoot.
    It seems much better than ours - in Asia, Siberia, Kazan, the Caucasus, Europe ..
    4) The people are stupidly larger and denser than in Russia.

    So, under equal conditions, this aircraft will be Amerovskoy. And Europe.
  • Petrograd
    Petrograd 26 September 2020 11: 26
    +1
    Yes, after that, there will be no aviation or anything, let's go to paradise) will be universal. Northern white animal will die for everyone and everyone, I’ll go throw a glass for world peace drinks
  • Ryusey
    Ryusey 28 September 2020 14: 19
    0
    This makes no sense.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 28 September 2020 23: 55
    0
    Well, I read everything. Nobody remembered the steam mail plane, and there was an article recently. And he actually flew and served postal lines. So much for the quality of the fuel, so much for the tolerances in the manufacture of the engine!
    Nobody remembered about the gas generators, but there were artillery tractors and port cranes on them (Karl on firewood!) ..
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  • CiFFiRO
    CiFFiRO 11 October 2020 05: 04
    0
    Interesting articles! It would not be bad for another article about the naval forces after a global thermonuclear war ...
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 22 November 2020 18: 22
    0
    Quote: Dead Day
    how and with what, will we fight after a nuclear war? that is, you will not calm down in any way? only by erasing the "sapiens" from the face of the planet, you can make this world pure and flourishing.

    Here, I directly agree.