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In the Polish press: Poland has bad news for Putin

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The Polish press released an article on gas supplies. In the material published on the pages of Wirtualna Polska, the author writes that Poland “has a bad news". Then the author describes what the essence of this "bad news for the Russian president" is.


From the article:

A floating LNG terminal is planned to be built in the Gulf of Gdansk. This will allow Poland to receive more gas from outside Russia. On Wednesday, a letter of intent was signed by representatives of Gaz-System, the Port of Gdansk Authority and the Maritime Office in Gdynia.

It is noted that the terminal should have a capacity of about 4,5 billion cubic meters of gas per year.

For comparison: in 2019, Poland's total gas consumption amounted to 18,6 billion cubic meters of natural gas, of which 3,8 billion was produced from its own sources of "blue fuel". 3,43 billion cubic meters of LNG passed through the existing terminal in the port of Swinoujscie, which is about 25% more than in 2018.

From the article:

Gas imports from Russia amounted to 8,95 billion cubic meters against 9,04 billion in 2018. Thus, the share of gas imported from Russia has dropped from 67 percent to 60 percent. And the share taken as LNG imports, on the contrary, increased from 20 to 23%.

The statement of the head of PGNiG Jerzy Kwieczyński is cited, who notes that today "Poland is bound by the" take or pay "contractual formula in trade relations with Russia. From the statement:

According to this formula, we are obliged to buy at least 8,7 billion cubic meters of gas from Russia annually. This will be the case until 2022. But when the contract expires, it will be different. We do not intend to renew the contract as it was.

Kvechinsky said that there are contracts for the purchase of LNG from the United States with a total portfolio of 9,3 billion cubic meters of gas per year after regasification.
Kvechinsky:

Also, starting from 2020, we will import LNG from Qatar - approximately 2,7 billion regasified fuel each.

The author notes that all this is "bad news for Putin."
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 24 September 2020 07: 02
    42
    Poles in their role ... are going crazy at an accelerated pace ... again dreaming of seizing the Kremlin again and ruling all of Russia.
    https://topcor.ru/16516-snova-zahvatim-moskvu-poljaki-zadumalis-o-vojne-s-rossiej.html?yrwinfo=1600918308412027-885174685208863018000111-production-app-host-man-web-yp-356

    It just becomes impossible to read their schizoid comments. smile
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2020 07: 50
      27
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Poles in their role ... are going crazy at an accelerated pace ... again dreaming of seizing the Kremlin again and ruling all of Russia.

      And the Kremlin is wondering if it's time to make the fourth division of Poland,
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 24 September 2020 07: 57
        22
        And the Kremlin is wondering if it's time to make the fourth division of Poland,

        In this case, the Poles themselves will do everything ... The Kremlin does not need to do anything ... the history of the Poles has taught nothing ... so there will be lesson number 5 to these die-hard Russophobes.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 24 September 2020 08: 10
          21
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          In this case, the Poles will do everything themselves.

          But it is necessary to help, the true owners to return Gdynia, Danzig, Szczecin and Swinousice.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 24 September 2020 08: 47
            19
            Don't forget Silesia, Silesia. And half of East Prussia + the Kaliningrad corridor - to us.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 24 September 2020 09: 34
              +8
              Quote: Pereira
              Don't forget Silesia, Silesia.

              Sorry forgot, not forgivable on my part.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 24 September 2020 09: 49
            -9
            This is actually a very dangerous idea, if someone wants to return something to himself, he will not forget about Kaliningrad either.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 24 September 2020 12: 08
              12
              Quote: alexmach
              This is actually a very dangerous idea, if someone wants to return something to himself, he will not forget about Kaliningrad either.

              Will they forget and how will they forget, Russia is not Poland, or do you doubt? I think if the Germans do this with Poland, then the third world war for Poland will not start, just as it did not start in 1939.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 24 September 2020 13: 26
                +1
                Why would the Germans, in principle, do this to Poland? Why do they need territories inhabited by Poles hostile to them, despite the fact that they are already dependent on the Germans, both economically and politically?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 24 September 2020 13: 37
                  +5
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Why would the Germans, in principle, do this to Poland? Why do they need territories inhabited by Poles hostile to them?

                  This area was inhabited by the Germans, and where did the Poles go.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 24 September 2020 14: 13
                    -7
                    Can you imagine in the 21st century in Europe the reversal of the Vistula operations and its similar massive forced migrations of peoples? PS: the Poles are not alone, because the USSR also took part there
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 24 September 2020 16: 16
                      +8
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Can you imagine in the 21st century in Europe the reversal of the Vistula operations and its similar massive forced migrations of peoples?

                      It surprises you, me personally, not at all, the world is much more cruel now than in 1945.
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 24 September 2020 16: 25
                        -3
                        The world is now highly segmented, and what is possible in one part of it is not possible in another. The territories you named are in that part of the world where it is "most likely not possible."
                    2. Abel
                      Abel 25 September 2020 17: 20
                      +1
                      The USSR did not participate. First, because there is no chav. Secondly, they were given time and the opportunity to move, and not flooded with one bundle, like the Poles and Czechs
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 25 September 2020 17: 40
                        -3
                        USSR did not participate

                        True? And who, in your opinion, lives now in your Danzigs and Schlezins? Yes, it is clear that they were not transported in freight cars.
                      2. Abel
                        Abel 25 September 2020 17: 42
                        +3
                        And in boxcars and on foot. This was the policy of Poland and Czechoslovakia
                      3. alexmach
                        alexmach 25 September 2020 19: 43
                        -1
                        Once again, about the non-participation of the USSR, who lives in Danzig now? And how do you think they got there?
                  2. 72jora72
                    72jora72 26 September 2020 09: 02
                    0
                    The USSR did not participate. First, because there is no chav. Secondly, they were given time and the opportunity to move, and not flooded with one bundle, like the Poles and Czechs
                    A huge number of people were killed during the resettlement.
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        3. Slon_on
          Slon_on 24 September 2020 15: 21
          10
          It can be argued here, because Konigsberg in the 18th century was already Russian for 4 years, until the foolish Peter II returned him to Friedrich. In the 2th century, it again became the Russian Kaliningrad. Russians always come for theirs (c)
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 24 September 2020 16: 19
            +5
            Quote: Slon_on
            In the 20th century, it became the Russian Kaliningrad again. Russians always come for theirs (c)

            There is a winner's right, no one will cancel it and never. We were attacked, we won, we put an end to it. And if the Germans have claims against Russia, the answer is simple, "It was necessary to fight better."
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 24 September 2020 16: 23
              -5
              This is far from the only possible answer. Moreover, in this vein.
              1. dvb
                dvb 25 September 2020 07: 49
                -1
                You won't calm down, not your site! For the pluses in the other direction.
            2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 September 2020 08: 05
              0
              ... There is a winner's right, no one will cancel it and never.

              Do the Poles have such a right?
              Why are you so frightened that you can easily dispose of other people's territories here? 'Gdynia here, Silesia there ...' Is it all itching to 'repeat'?
        4. RelictEmpire
          RelictEmpire 24 September 2020 22: 35
          +2
          There it is ... not patriots abroad ... there Iskanders are there ... I'm afraid there is little left from the returnees.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 25 September 2020 17: 46
            -1
            Iskanders are standing there

            Iskander? There? And you have never heard of the fact that the weighing region of Kaleningradskaya is being shot through with simple cannon artillery?
            Moreover, it is an exclave that is easily isolated from the rest of Russia .. in fact, it is already isolated.
            And how will the Iskanders help here?
            Rather, it seems to me that not much will remain of Kaliningrad itself if something happens.
            1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
              Nikolay Ivanov_5 25 September 2020 19: 29
              -2
              It is foolish, even hypothetically, to think that anyone would risk doing anything with the Kaliningrad region. The response to aggression against a part of Russia will be swift and deadly.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 25 September 2020 19: 46
                -4
                It is foolish to even hypothetically think

                Again money for fish (c) Only talked about Japan and the Kuril Islands.
                It is foolish not even to think hypothetically - this is really silly.
                1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                  Nikolay Ivanov_5 25 September 2020 19: 48
                  -3
                  There was nothing on this page about Japan and the Kuril Islands.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 25 September 2020 19: 50
                    -5
                    There was no, and you repeat the same nonsense here and there, about "It is foolish to think, even hypothetically"
                  2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                    Nikolay Ivanov_5 25 September 2020 19: 52
                    0
                    where do you come from such shifters
                  3. alexmach
                    alexmach 25 September 2020 19: 54
                    -4
                    Who to you "stupid to think", gave the right to call me that word?
                  4. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                    Nikolay Ivanov_5 25 September 2020 19: 56
                    0
                    But it is not necessary to be rude
                  5. alexmach
                    alexmach 25 September 2020 19: 58
                    -4
                    How to? How are you higher?
                  6. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                    Nikolay Ivanov_5 25 September 2020 19: 59
                    -3
                    I was not rude, but made a reasoned remark.
                  7. alexmach
                    alexmach 25 September 2020 20: 00
                    -5
                    where do you come from such shifters

                    Is this a reasoned remark? Reasoned? Comment?
                  8. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                    Nikolay Ivanov_5 25 September 2020 20: 03
                    -1
                    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
                    It is foolish, even hypothetically, to think that anyone would risk doing anything with the Kaliningrad region. The response to aggression against a part of Russia will be swift and deadly.

                    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
                    There was nothing on this page about Japan and the Kuril Islands.

                    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
                    where do you come from such shifters
                  9. alexmach
                    alexmach 25 September 2020 20: 06
                    -2
                    To call a shape-shifter in the third message of a stranger is rudeness. Learn to behave at least some decently, then engage in communication.

                    As for Kaliningrad, it’s stupid not to assess, at least hypothetically, different military risks and different opportunities.
                  10. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                    Nikolay Ivanov_5 26 September 2020 16: 02
                    -2
                    I hate rudeness, but unfortunately, people who use rudeness understand only rudeness. Do not write, but rather leave this forum.
                  11. alexmach
                    alexmach 26 September 2020 16: 03
                    0
                    And you decided to be the first to enter with your trump cards? Bravo!
  • your1970
    your1970 28 September 2020 09: 48
    0
    What is the purpose - to shell Kaliningrad for what? What's the profit? Well, it was demolished, let's say it was NATO and? What is the joy for NATO and global capital in this?
    These gentlemen do anything solely for the sake of money ...
    They will not be able to make money by destroying Kaliningrad, and there will be no long-term military orders ..
    Ideological beliefs among people who are ready to sell their mother to hell - if they offer anything in return? Nonsense ...
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 28 September 2020 10: 56
      -1
      What is the purpose - to shell Kaliningrad for what?

      at least to neutralize the Iskander, Air Defense Systems and the fleet standing there. Completely untie your hands by cleaning the rear. Well and strike a painful blow to Russia
      1. your1970
        your1970 28 September 2020 12: 03
        0
        Quote: alexmach
        What is the purpose - to shell Kaliningrad for what?

        at least to neutralize the Iskander, Air Defense Systems and the fleet standing there. Completely untie your hands by cleaning the rear. Well and strike a painful blow to Russia

        Have you applied and? What's next? To get at least something in return, Kaliningrad alone is not enough, and the likelihood of the arrival of the same Iskander in Europe increases many times over.
        Let's say the Russian Federation did nothing and? What is the profit from the bombed Kaliningrad for world capital?
        It will be enough for this - taking into account the fact that the world stock exchanges will collapse, hardly anyone will be able to ... Who in such situations, when there is a risk of arrival of a response from the Russian Federation, will something do in the economic sphere?
        So it is possible and necessary to discuss the issue of "landing in Kaliningrad and the Kuril Islands" (probably !!! we are not the General Staff) - but those who want to stick their heads under the falling guillotine knife are not particularly observed.
        Even NATO maneuvers are carried out neatly (as in the USSR) - so God forbid we decide that this is a war ...
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 28 September 2020 13: 22
          -1
          Let's say the Russian Federation did nothing and? What is the profit from the bombed Kaliningrad for world capital?

          As a rule, lost wars and losses of territories have a great influence on the internal politics of the state. By itself, Kalliningrad is hardly interesting to "world capital", but how one link in the chain of unpleasant events can be very useful.
          It will be enough for this - taking into account the fact that world exchanges will collapse, hardly anyone can ...

          Well .. actually, experts are welded on both falls and growth.
          Even NATO maneuvers are carried out neatly (as in the USSR) - so God forbid we decide that this is a war ...

          Interestingly, what is the accuracy?
  • Maks winter
    Maks winter 24 September 2020 19: 06
    0
    By the way, Szczecin, its old buildings and pavements, completely built by the Germans, still stand and delight the eye, with their solidity ... and the city is beautiful ...
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 September 2020 07: 59
    0
    ... Koenigsberg too?
  • Runoway
    Runoway 24 September 2020 08: 47
    33
    And the Kremlin is wondering if it's time to make the fourth division of Poland

    And it's time for the Kremlin to think about how to get rid of its dependence on hydrocarbon sales
    Above the development of technology and industry, and not invest in American securities and beg the people with frantic loans and buy Erdogan's tomatoes with Jewish carrots.
    All for this there are resources and brains and land and oil and gas dollars for development
    Only there is no "Tsar", there are separate princelings who each milks his own sphere, without interfering with each other
    1. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 24 September 2020 09: 18
      16
      And it's time for the Kremlin to think about how to get rid of dependence on hydrocarbon sales

      Gold words. Throw an idea and money with explosives to the banderlog. Let them blow up the gas pipeline closer to November as part of countering the Muscovites. And to see how the big brother will supply LNG to Europe: how quickly, in what volumes, and most importantly at what prices. Tired of hearing how bad we are and our leadership's concerns. We ourselves have half of the country not supplied with gas.
      1. free_flier
        free_flier 24 September 2020 13: 25
        10
        So Miller at Putin's reception said that Gazprom would connect citizens of the Russian Federation for free, and the required consumption was estimated to be about 60-80 billion cubic meters per year. So someone outside of our borders is doomed to suck his thumb instead of gas.
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 26 September 2020 09: 05
          0
          So Miller at Putin's reception said that Gazprom would connect Russian citizens for free
          Oh well........
    2. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 24 September 2020 12: 08
      0
      And it's time for the Kremlin to think about how to get rid of its dependence on hydrocarbon sales
      Above the development of technology and industry, and not invest in American securities and beg the people with frantic loans and buy Erdogan's tomatoes with Jewish carrots.


      You are right about the development of technology. One should always think about their development.

      Get rid of the dependence on hydrocarbon sales ... Well, this is probably not entirely correct. If we stop selling, palacitics with stars will take our place right there ... Right there. So fuck them ...

      It will not work not to invest in American money. You have to trade all the same. Money is needed. There are not many of them now invested.
      Gather people with frantic loans ... Do not take a loan ... This is a personal matter.
      Crazy credit would be in the nineties, when a neighbor gave a neighbor at 20 percent a month ...
      1. Runoway
        Runoway 24 September 2020 13: 38
        -1
        Get rid of the dependence on hydrocarbon sales ... Well, this is probably not entirely correct.
        I meant not to live by this alone, since it is ours, without an alternative form of income, we have to make concessions once and we can easily press two, which we are now seeing, and there is no mirror response !!!!
        Gather people with frantic loans ... Do not take a loan ... This is a personal matter.

        I will not tire of quoting
        "30% of the population of the Russian Federation lives on the minimum wage, and many employers also underestimate"
        © GDP.
        In real life, we have 80% of the population earning less than $ 500 / month, tell us how they can buy a home without a mortgage, get an education or pay for expensive treatment / surgery without a loan ?? this is so purely about the most essential. Small and Medium Businesses Die Too?
      2. Abel
        Abel 25 September 2020 17: 26
        +1
        I kindly ask you to be more careful with the Russian language. I can understand about the Jewish carrot, you just confused it with the Korean carrot. But about Erdogan's tomatoes ... So you can get a warning
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2020 12: 15
      -1
      Quote: Runoway
      And it's time for the Kremlin to think about how to get rid of its dependence on hydrocarbon sales

      How to do it ? To do this, you need to ask for advice from Comrade Stalin I.V.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2020 16: 26
      +2
      Quote: Runoway
      Over the development of technology and industry

      It is necessary to do like Stalin in order to obtain technology, not everything can be created by yourself. Here are the Chinese, they did exactly what Comrade Stalin bequeathed, and why shouldn't Russia do it now?
      1. Gato
        Gato 24 September 2020 20: 42
        +2
        why shouldn't Russia do this now

        But because in China the CP is in power, and in Russia - the bourgeoisie, in some places even of the comprador sense
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 24 September 2020 09: 17
    +2
    And the Kremlin is wondering if it's time to make the fourth division of Poland

    Not a quadruple, but a fifth. Three sections - under Mother Catherine, the 4th - in 1939. The next will be the 5th, and, I hope, the last, after which "hyena of Europe" will disappear from the map forever. There is a lot of space in Siberia, full of undeveloped areas.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2020 09: 38
      +1
      Quote: The Truth
      There is a lot of space in Siberia, full of undeveloped areas.

      We have had a lot of them in Transbaikalia since the time of the tsar's grandfather, and I myself am one of them.
    2. frruc
      frruc 24 September 2020 09: 59
      +4
      And here are Poland and Siberia. The Poles themselves, like gypsies, will dissolve all over the world, which they are doing.
  • da Vinci
    da Vinci 24 September 2020 09: 57
    +1
    Does the Kremlin need this?
  • boriz
    boriz 24 September 2020 10: 35
    0
    Why is everyone talking about the 3 partitions of Poland? 3 was only in the 18th century. 4th - in 1939/46.
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 24 September 2020 21: 15
    0
    Fifth. The fourth was in 1939 and three sections in the 18th century.
  • Abel
    Abel 25 September 2020 17: 16
    0
    There is another proposal: for Poland to disappear from the map of Europe again
  • hrych
    hrych 24 September 2020 07: 55
    16
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    it becomes impossible to read

    Better not to read. And of course, when I read, they say Poland has bad news for Putin: ... wassat
    And they will not be gas from us and not even from the United States, but from Germany, but it will be our same gas, only with a surcharge. Americans don't have their LNG for nothing, but for money. And now Poland has the best economy of the renegades, but soon, apparently, this will also change. EU cracked ...
    1. DMoroz
      DMoroz 24 September 2020 09: 16
      10
      Americans don't have their LNG for nothing, but for money.
      Will they sell their own gas to them? They will buy a certain volume of our LNG from Yamal, so that gas carriers do not drive through the Atlantic and it will no longer be totalitarian, but democratic. And what is more expensive, then this is the problem of pshek ... It seemed to be like this with the Balts ...
      1. boriz
        boriz 24 September 2020 10: 38
        +7
        You absolutely hold amers for idiots. Why would they carry it from Yamal? Will be bought in Ust-Luga. Which, by the way, has already been done.
        1. free_flier
          free_flier 24 September 2020 15: 29
          -1
          Sibur, and soon Gazprom, the problems of the Poles and others, such as those independent of Russian gas, exactly "just below the belt, but above the knees" ...
    2. major147
      major147 24 September 2020 09: 50
      +4
      Quote: hrych
      Poland has bad news for Putin

      Here you can only say one thing, let them walk around the market, look for cheaper bully
      Quote: hrych
      it will be our same gas, only with an extra charge.

      The same situation as with the enraged, "everyone is going crazy in his own way", but here - as the owner ordered.
  • Clear
    Clear 24 September 2020 08: 01
    +9
    It is planned to build a floating LNG terminal in the Gulf of Gdansk .... the terminal should have a capacity of about 4,5 billion cubic meters of gas per year.

    Now the "bad news" to Putin is compensated by the "good news" of the Houthis that their homemade missiles and advanced drones fly further and more accurately bully And, the service is inexpensive request
    1. Abel
      Abel 25 September 2020 17: 30
      +1
      Please clarify. And how much does it cost to build such a terminal + regasification plant
      1. Clear
        Clear 25 September 2020 22: 32
        +2
        Quote: Abel
        Please clarify. And how much does it cost to build such a terminal + regasification plant

        Sasha, remember wink - How many stars are there in the sky? “I’ll count it now,” the soldier answered and looked at the stars. A.V. Suvorov waits, waits, and the soldier counts and counts everything ...
  • musorg
    musorg 24 September 2020 08: 04
    -19 qualifying.
    And when did the Poles take over the Kremlin? Remind you again.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2020 08: 21
      +4
      Quote: musorg
      And when did the Poles take over the Kremlin?

      Under some kind of False Dmitry and Masha Mnishek: so what happened then? Babshka Ekaterina has not forgotten the dirty tricks "Nobody is forgotten, and even more so the dirty tricks are not forgotten", this is what the gentlemen should remember on a genetic basis. Forgotten in 1918, Comrade Stalin recalled, and GDP will also recall when the time comes.
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 24 September 2020 08: 23
      11
      Quote: musorg
      And when the Poles took over the Kremlin

      During the Great Troubles. 1600s (False Dmitry cited). The militia of Minin and Pozharsky drove them out of the Kremlin in 1612, if I'm not mistaken. Since then, Rzeczpospolita has broken down ... after October 1917 it reappeared, then Stalin raised it from the position "below the plinth" ... A third of the current Polish lands were obtained at the expense of Germany.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 24 September 2020 09: 50
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        The militia of Minin and Pozharsky drove them out of the Kremlin in 1612, if I'm not mistaken. Since then, the Commonwealth has broken down.

        In general, the back was torn, radiculitis earned, and in 1772 the legs gave up at all, but J.V. Stalin healed a little.
      2. major147
        major147 24 September 2020 09: 52
        +2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        The militia of Minin and Pozharsky drove them out of the Kremlin

        Celebrating this on November 4th!
      3. Maks winter
        Maks winter 24 September 2020 19: 18
        0
        there is a thin film / film about those ancient times, and is called "1612"
    3. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 24 September 2020 09: 21
      +5
      And when did the Poles take over the Kremlin?

      The elimination of illiteracy is not the task of the VO.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 24 September 2020 10: 36
      0
      Quote: musorg
      And when did the Poles take over the Kremlin? Remind you again.

      Have you been banned from both Google and Wiki, or what? request Use Yandex. Even schoolchildren know that National Unity Day (November 4) is timed to coincide with the events of 1612, when members of the people's militia led by Kuzma Minin and Dmitry Pozharsky liberated Moscow from the Polish occupants.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 24 September 2020 09: 11
    +1
    The Poles ... are going mad at an accelerated pace ... once again dreaming of seizing the Kremlin again and ruling all of Russia.

    The "third coming" of false Dmitry is called ... Interestingly, by order of the Anglo-Saxons, he will now be a liberal, black, from the LGBT community, a necrophile, from minorities, or from the dense taiga, urgently grown on the Polish strawberry fields, and the oceans surrounding Poland from all sides?...
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 24 September 2020 09: 14
    +2
    The same LYOKHA

    Yes, news from the series "in spite of the conductor I'll buy a ticket and go on foot." Or "to spite my grandmother, I'll frostbite my ears." After all, it is clear that by investing and building this terminal, the Poles will receive either expensive American gas, or the same Russian gas, but with a premium.
    And the Russophobia of the Polish authorities, of course, goes off scale. Here is the "Smolensk" plane, here is the Belarusian provocation. So an expensive, little-useful canal is being built through the Curonian Spit ...
  • Vend
    Vend 24 September 2020 11: 08
    0
    Quote: The same Lech
    Poles in their role ... are going crazy at an accelerated pace ... again dreaming of seizing the Kremlin again and ruling all of Russia.
    https://topcor.ru/16516-snova-zahvatim-moskvu-poljaki-zadumalis-o-vojne-s-rossiej.html?yrwinfo=1600918308412027-885174685208863018000111-production-app-host-man-web-yp-356

    It just becomes impossible to read their schizoid comments. smile

    Poles want to scare a hedgehog with their bare bottom laughing
  • Andrey Grad
    Andrey Grad 24 September 2020 12: 42
    +6
    We in Riga know how mattresses "our" gas will be supplied to pshekam, the scheme has been worked out for centuries and we already observed it in the 15th year, when, under the guise of mattress gas, Russian lng loaded in Riga came to Klaipeda. The transport leverage is minimal, and the margin is 100%
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 24 September 2020 13: 13
      +2
      We in Riga know how mattresses "our" gas will be supplied to pshekam, the scheme has been worked out for centuries and we already observed it in the 15th year, when, under the guise of mattress gas, Russian lng loaded in Riga came to Klaipeda. The transport leverage is minimal, and the margin is 100%


      Speak correctly. It seems like that all over the world.
      Gas is bought at the auction. Russian gas is loaded into an American tanker and from that moment on it is American. Further to Europe.
      And it's so important to us to whom we sell gas laughing laughing laughing
      Sometimes it seems to me that if the Americans bought 100% of our gas and oil at a fixed price, we would only be in a thrill.
  • Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 24 September 2020 07: 04
    26
    Let them live as they want. With our gas, without our gas ... Having such an internal consumption market as ours, we need to reorient ourselves from the West to ourselves. Engage in gasification, primarily of industrial consumers and thermal power plants, of a huge number of private households, and you see, the environment will improve, and budget revenues will not fall, and the quality of life will increase in Russia, and not only in the West .. It is clear that this is not easy, and you will have to decide something with the coal miners ... But THERE WOULD BE DESIRE AND COMMON SENSE WOULD OVERCOME ..
    1. nnm
      nnm 24 September 2020 07: 22
      16
      Good afternoon, dear colleague! The gasification problem is a double-edged sword. And the negative side of this issue is a significant increase in tariffs after these events. Let me briefly explain: connecting a small number of consumers (these are remote and sparsely populated areas, in general) will take a huge amount of funds, plus all this will have to be maintained in the future. And this is also a huge amount. How else to raise tariffs now, if for many they are already too high? That is, it needs government subsidies. And it is not eager to spend the budget on its own population.
      1. Siberian 66
        Siberian 66 24 September 2020 07: 28
        11
        Dear, it depends on how to approach the issue) you need to start naturally with the largest thermal power plants and industrial enterprises in the regions, get a return there and move on, no longer for the most tidbits in the form of private consumers. And the increase in tariffs is a controversial issue. More depends not on market conditions, but on the greed of the owners of gas companies. And this is the regulatory role of the state. The circle is closed)
        1. nnm
          nnm 24 September 2020 07: 54
          +1
          This is also a huge problem. Industrial enterprises already have a load in the form of the so-called. "last mile" and "crossroads" and if you finish off the industry by increasing prices for re-equipment, and then "crossroads" due to an increase in economically justified prices for the population, then things will be very bad.
          1. Siberian 66
            Siberian 66 24 September 2020 08: 01
            +4
            You and I understand the main thing - the state should solve these problems and take the initiative, help, invest finances, attract specialists and experts, and ultimately form the State program .. To be honest, watching how we climb to the West and to China with gas pipelines and unexpectedly, there is really no demand - for political reasons or our economic miscalculations. then we ourselves destroy the deposits that feed the pipe, it seems that there are a little mediocrity in the management of the companies ...
            1. nnm
              nnm 24 September 2020 08: 06
              +2
              On the one hand, I can understand this. We do not take the political component into account. And if we talk purely about the economy, then look ... its internal resources, the state knows that it can always withdraw from the population, therefore it saves them for a rainy day. But to get an influx of external resources, oh, how you want. But I completely agree with you - the basis of everything should be one's own consumption, the domestic market.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 24 September 2020 07: 44
        -3
        The gasification problem is a double-edged sword. And the negative side of this issue is a significant increase in tariffs after these measures

        gasification for dough is evil.
        even development of the WHOLE COUNTRY with such heroes and thinking aloud is ALREADY IMPOSSIBLE. there is also reserve fuel. load transport, depopulation of territories, professional training.
        but to stretch and connect FOR COALS TO GO TO THE LABOR EXCHANGE AND BECOME DEAD GARBERS - IT CANNOT BE, THERE MUST BE A RE-TRAINING AND EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM, AND BUILD-IN OTHER PRODUCTION-IN AND LOGISTICS.
        TITLE - COMPLEX APPROACH TO COUNTRY DEVELOPMENT. PROGRAMS FOR 5-10 YEARS. they are not and will not be with such thoughts.
        therefore they resist the gasification of Siberia. will kill everything and will be like in small towns, villages of Wed Russia, loot to cut down and throw entire regions to extinction, without jobs - already said: HEROY.
        1. nnm
          nnm 24 September 2020 07: 55
          0
          Quote: antivirus
          COMPLETE APPROACH TO COUNTRY DEVELOPMENT. PROGRAMS FOR 5-10 YEARS. they are not and will not be with such thoughts.

          Here !!! Totally agree with you. Only this plan should be developed for at least 20 years.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 24 September 2020 07: 58
            0
            yes, this is a different life for the state apparatus and tough decisions + implementing them and overcoming resistance, including from behind the hill (as in the article and com-tah:
            West - reckon from the principle).
            1. nnm
              nnm 24 September 2020 07: 59
              +2
              And you will have to start this new life by admitting your own mistakes - in education, medicine, budgetary structure, industrial development, science, weapons, social policy, etc. What exactly the modern government is not ready to do.
        2. Abel
          Abel 25 September 2020 18: 00
          0
          The Government does not know the words "integrated development". Decisions are made on a momentary basis. Pressed - we run to look for a piece of paper
      3. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 24 September 2020 07: 45
        +2
        Today, there are a lot of non-gasified zones next to the gas pipe. If you want gas, pay yourself. The state will not get into commerce, because that commerce feeds the budget. At one time he was hanged for the renovation of energy facilities and unprofitable power plants, now this commerce has climbed head over heels into the mousetrap of imported gas generation, outside they do dirty tricks on any export of resources and energy, in particular ... from the village of Vymiralovo "?
        As in a remix of a famous phrase:
        Quote: remix of a phrase attributed to I.V. Stalin
        I always thought national treasure - Is own people, but here's a friend Chubais I clearly explained that national treasure - Is own of the American people.

        "American" in this context can be changed to "Anglo-Saxons" or more generally - "crooks", the meaning is the same.
        1. nnm
          nnm 24 September 2020 07: 56
          0
          Quote: g1washntwn
          got into a mousetrap of imported gas generation

          Sorry, colleague, I don't quite understand what this is about.
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 24 September 2020 08: 28
            +2
            I'll try not to go far. Gasprom has such a structure, it is called GEH. Do you think the aforementioned "G" took unprofitable old power plants as a result of the redistribution of radioactive waste at its own request? I strongly doubt that it was much calmer to sit on the flow of gas and oil. This is "A". Now "B" new capacities are foreign technologies, there are no large gas turbines of their own. They and the banks have to pay for all this banquet (from some exchange rate differences, the amounts no longer fit into the calculator).
            Quote: https://tass.ru/ekonomika/4453558
            The CDA mechanism created within the framework of the RAO UES reform made it possible to ensure the commissioning of new capacities in the country with the involvement of products from Western manufacturers - Siemens, GE, Alstom, Mitsubishi, Kawasaki and others. Today, about 244 foreign-made gas turbines are in operation in Russia, which, according to the Ministry of Energy, is 63% of the total. The share of Russian turbines is lower - 147 units, or 37%.

            At the same time, domestic energy companies are not satisfied with the quality and capacity. It was thought that the domestic intermediary would gradually localize their technologies, but due to the micro-scandal with turbines in Crimea, it became clear that no one would give us the technology for that. On the contrary, they will slow down, it was clear to everyone. Today, the very first blocks have the issue of resource extension on their nose.
            Further options: 1. "continue to inject and eat the cactus" 2. to overhaul under low and medium-sized domestic gas turbines. Let me remind you that Siemens set 400 MW each, ours was "a little over 100" (I recently saw that they pulled 200+ from one gas turbine). Both options are very expensive, and according to the most conservative estimates, a complete domestic analogue of SGT for permanent renovation of capacities requires billions for development and trillions for construction + another 10 years.
            Mousetrap? She is the same, although they rub everyone in so that "no drama".
            1. Elephant
              Elephant 24 September 2020 11: 35
              +1
              The Chinese would have simply disassembled the foreign unit, copied and assembled exactly the same but with their own emblem. Our modern "geniuses" cannot do this?
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 24 September 2020 12: 21
                +2
                Quote: Elephant
                The Chinese would have simply disassembled the foreign unit, copied and assembled exactly the same but with their own emblem. Our modern "geniuses" cannot do this?

                All of us are trying to portray a girl who has accidentally walked into the "madam" along the highway. Honest brides, yeah ...
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 24 September 2020 17: 22
                +1
                The Chinese have been buying high-power gas turbines from Germany for a long time - as you can see, disassembling and copying did not work.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 24 September 2020 17: 21
              -1
              Whistle less about Russian turbines https://barcaffe.ru/rossija-prakticheski-gotova-perejti-na-otechestvennye-gazovye-turbiny-bolshoj-moshhnosti/
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 25 September 2020 06: 56
                +1
                Study the topic first. GTE and GTD-100, which is the only one that has undergone trial operation, are not analogues of SGT, which belong to class "H". Read on your own link to the line:
                Quote: https://barcaffe.ru/rossija-prakticheski-gotova-perejti-na-otechestvennye-gazovye-turbiny-bolshoj-moshhnosti/
                In addition, Power Machines declares ABOUT INTENTION to create a powerful H-class gas turbine: the conceptual design and terms of reference are already being formed

                The project and the terms of reference were announced last year, so I'm guessing that the 400MW SGT analogue will appear in the finished hardware no earlier than 2030+ (and even then only with the constant distribution of accelerating pendels). During this time, the remaining "old capacities" will be worn out in tatters, and the end of their "warranty period" will creep up on the tuned first German units.
        2. Clear
          Clear 24 September 2020 08: 09
          +3
          Quote: g1washntwn
          "American" in this context can be changed to "Anglo-Saxons" or more generally - "crooks", the meaning is the same.

          But then this is an obvious criminal community with elements of treason. Where is the Prosecutor's Office of Russia and the UK looking?
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 24 September 2020 09: 20
            +1
            Quote: Clear
            But then this is an obvious criminal community with elements of treason. Where is the Prosecutor's Office of Russia and the UK looking?

            In the same direction where it looked when the domestic aviation industry was almost profiled by exchanging for Boeing and Airbus products. As a result, today that Tu, that Sukhoi climbs into the market with a terrible creak.
            Energy capacity - the scale of miscalculations / betrayal is already at the level of the collapse of the USSR, because energy security of the country! This is annoying.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 24 September 2020 11: 01
            0
            Quote: Clear
            Where is the Prosecutor's Office of Russia and the UK looking?

            Wherever they are directed. Or do you think that these are independent, independent structures and do what they see fit?
      4. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 24 September 2020 07: 52
        +4
        nnm. Are gas tariffs in Russia too high for many? I don’t think so. We have 6 people in our apartment. We pay for gas 60-70 rubles per month, as it turns out on the meter. For comparison, we pay 800-900 rubles per month for electricity. For heat - generally up to 3000 rubles. This is the result of the Chubais privatization. I think that even if the tariff is raised three times. It doesn't matter in comparison ...
        1. nnm
          nnm 24 September 2020 08: 01
          0
          Do not forget one nuance - this is the TARIFF, and not the real cost of gas for the population. And this delta goes to pay for industrial consumers. And the larger this delta, the more problems for industrial consumers.
          1. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 24 September 2020 08: 34
            +3
            nnm. I just wanted to show what kind of robbery of the population occurs after privatization. Before the Chubais reform, we paid 150-200 rubles for electricity - that is, there was an increase of 4-5 times, it is clear that there was inflation, but still. Then, like hell out of a snuffbox, two companies appeared (operating and supplying). In each company, a room with a staff of people, the parasites multiplied. Your remark about the tariff. You are right in who argues that if every consumer paid based on the cost price in the Russian Federation for households would have increased several times. Especially in my case. The fact is that our town is supplied with gas from the branch of the export pipeline to Finland. But even in the case of an increase in gas prices, say, five times, the cost of gas for comparison would not be comparable to the price for 2 loaves of cheap bread as it is now, but with the price of 1 kg of doctor's sausage. That is, unpleasant, but not fatal.
            1. Yok Migarek
              Yok Migarek 24 September 2020 10: 48
              0
              You quote the cost of gas in apartments with central heating. And ask how much gas costs in houses with their own boilers.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 24 September 2020 11: 14
                +2
                Quote: Yok-Migarek
                You quote the cost of gas in apartments with central heating. And ask how much gas costs in houses with their own boilers.

                The price per cube is the same, consumption is different. But the boiler can be turned on as needed, and the central one - take what they give. Now we have turned on the heating, the radiators are bursting with heat, and it has warmed overboard to +18. All windows are plowed. We heat the street for our money. My payment for central heating in winter reaches 4000r. per month. hi
                1. Yok Migarek
                  Yok Migarek 24 September 2020 11: 20
                  +2
                  The same crap. Only for the whole summer they turned off the hot water altogether. The MO owner threw the keys to the boiler room and sent everyone three letters. Now they cannot find a person willing to take the boiler room into operation. They milked her completely, without investing a penny. Overhaul is needed. We are awaiting the approach of the heating season with horror. Meanwhile, a permanent combat readiness air regiment is stationed in the town. Beauty!!!
              2. mikh-korsakov
                mikh-korsakov 24 September 2020 11: 32
                +1
                Alexander. During the heating season I pay for central heating and pay about 3000 rubles. It is characteristic that a few years ago 1000 rubles. such are the appetites of interregiongas.
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 24 September 2020 07: 53
        +1
        Quote: nnm
        Good afternoon, dear colleague! The gasification problem is a double-edged sword.

        Yes, rather about three ends, All this work will be done by the capitalist, and who will pay for the work on gasification,
        1. nnm
          nnm 24 September 2020 08: 03
          +3
          End-user. As always. But in fairness, I must say that in the USSR it was the same. It's just that the cost of services in the entire sector was regulated by the state. Do not forget that the problems of gasification of regions did not appear in Russia - this problem dates back to the times of the Soviet Union.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 24 September 2020 09: 52
            +2
            Quote: nnm
            Do not forget that the problems of gasification of the regions did not appear in Russia - this problem dates back to the times of the Soviet Union.

            But under the Union, all of Ukraine was supplied with gas, and the Russian village lived on wood, just like now.
            1. Gato
              Gato 24 September 2020 20: 53
              +1
              But under the Union, all of Ukraine was gasified, and the Russian village lived on wood

              There were reasons for that:
              - The Ukrainian SSR is slightly smaller than the RSFSR with a much higher population density
              - the presence of several main gas pipelines and the corresponding structure
              - a large number of industrial enterprises-consumers that could invest in the social sector of the suburbs
              - very rich collective and state farms that could afford gasification
              - Ukrainian lobby in the Kremlin laughing
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 25 September 2020 09: 39
                0
                Quote: Gato
                - very rich collective and state farms that could afford gasification
                - Ukrainian lobby in the Kremlin

                The state farms are state enterprises, and the state did gasification at its own expense: I know this from the Smolensk region, where my mother's brother was in charge of gasification of the Dukhovshchinsky district, and the collective farm is a "voluntary matter" he did not invest money anywhere except in the development of the collective farm (and this is another song and long).
      6. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 24 September 2020 07: 58
        +4
        Quote: nnm
        That is, you need government subsidies

        Subsidizing? It is necessary to sweep away this whole breeding ground of parasitic structures with a filthy broom. How can the final cost of connection be ten times more expensive than the cost of materials and work? I apologize for the emotionality, but all the talk about the profitability of gasification of remote settlements smells unpleasant. As a result, it all comes down to the fact that it is easier to close everything that is on the periphery. maintaining any kind of communication remotely is more difficult than in the center.
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 24 September 2020 09: 32
          0
          Quote: sir.jonn
          support of any communications remotely is more difficult than in the center

          From this position and de facto, the "Far Eastern hectare" could be called anything, even a "lunar hectare", even a "Pluto" one.
          Цитата: http://www.tigrup.ru/media/daydjest/%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8D%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80_25_%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA.pdf

          ... the installed capacity of large and small diesel power plants is 665 MW, 494 diesel power plants.

          74% (!) - imported diesel, but we cheerfully draw arrows in advertisements in which directions "national property" flows over the hill.
      7. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 24 September 2020 09: 27
        0
        connecting a small number of consumers (these are remote and sparsely populated areas, mostly) will take a huge amount of funds

        Our cities are not all gasified.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 24 September 2020 07: 49
      +5
      But I think so. Maybe it's for the better if our gas does not go to Europe, Asia or wherever. Maybe then the industries that we will raise in the pen?
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 24 September 2020 07: 05
    14
    I think Putin will grind)). Strange, wretched Polish little people - they only live to raise Putin's ... army
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 24 September 2020 07: 30
      +5
      And it always turns out that they go by themselves. Really weird. hi
  • rocket757
    rocket757 24 September 2020 07: 08
    +8
    The author notes that all this is "bad news for Putin."

    Simply, it no longer requires proof ... when there is only a goal, to do something bad to someone ... EVERYTHING and ALWAYS returns, twice, three times ... many times more.
    By the way, why did they bring this nonsense here?
    1. Clear
      Clear 24 September 2020 08: 13
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      By the way, why did they bring this nonsense here?

      Victor, so this is like a morning mental workout wink
      In the morning I always do exercises: I bend down, dust off the dumbbells, and after catching my breath, I go to breakfast lol
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 September 2020 08: 47
        0
        Quote: Clear
        morning mental warm-up

        Okay, okay, such scribbles / statements (not to the author of the claim) can no longer spoil the appetite ...
        And I would like to forget about yapping something, but it hurts their yapping screeching, and the flock is not small ...
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 24 September 2020 12: 22
        0
        Quote: Clear
        morning mental warm-up

        One word is superfluous. yes laughing
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 24 September 2020 07: 09
    +5
    Bad news for Putin for Poland-OK, after 22 years the flag is in your hands, Goodbye, Orivederchi, Goodbye, Sayonara!
  • nnm
    nnm 24 September 2020 07: 10
    11
    They say one thing, but in the end, like last year, they hold the record for increasing purchases of Russian gas.
    Well, if they want to buy gas from the United States for 20 percent more expensive - I'm all for it. Let them crush their economy in a period of global competition.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 24 September 2020 07: 10
    +6
    And what is the bad news? While the crisis is due to the coronavirus in the world. Gas in Europe is "cheap" and even that is getting more expensive by winter. The price will end over time. If they refuse pipeline gas, they will sometimes buy liquefied Russian gas under the guise of American gas. Closer to winter, Europe will be more accommodating. I remember in the mid-90s in Hamburg, before the New Year it was under -25. hi
  • Tusv
    Tusv 24 September 2020 07: 10
    +7
    Hey gentry. We got to the American formula "Liquefy or pay", there is already no money for "take or pay". Now they come up with all sorts of excuses
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 24 September 2020 07: 11
    +5
    Never mind, let them buy gas anywhere. As if if the Poles stop buying gas from Russia, then we will go around the world.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2020 07: 56
      +1
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Never mind, let them buy gas anywhere. As if if the Poles stop buying gas from Russia, then we will go around the world.

      Let them bark: they have it great. and the dog barks, but the caravan moves on (silently).
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 24 September 2020 07: 12
    +5
    This global trend - no long-term commitments, no contracts, only short connections for immediate satisfaction of needs. Partners for an hour.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 September 2020 07: 14
    0
    Monopoly is bad. On the domestic market in the Russian Federation, it is necessary to introduce competitors to Russian grids and Gazprom.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 24 September 2020 07: 25
      +3
      Monopoly is bad. On the domestic market in the Russian Federation, it is necessary to introduce competitors to Russian grids and Gazprom.

      The monopolists have lobbyists in the State Duma ... yeah, they dreamed of looking into their wallet ... if the Antimonopoly Service in Russia still hasn't done anything to them, then it is necessary.
      1. Clear
        Clear 24 September 2020 08: 29
        +1
        Quote: The same Lech
        Monopoly is bad. On the domestic market in the Russian Federation, it is necessary to introduce competitors to Russian grids and Gazprom.

        The monopolists have lobbyists in the State Duma ... yeah, they dreamed of looking into their wallet ... if the Antimonopoly Service in Russia still hasn't done anything to them, then it is necessary.

        I remember how last year, Deputy Prime Minister D. Kozak, with the filing of Rosseti, rolled out the main complaints against small TGOs that were not able to ensure the reliability of power supply at their own expense and they wanted to cleanse the market from private regional power grids, but the state monopoly did not there were enough funds and Rosseti asked the Government for them.
        True, the FAS considered that even if one acquires network assets, then this right should be given on a non-discriminatory basis to all network organizations ...
        I don't know how it all ended there No.
    2. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 24 September 2020 07: 27
      +3
      Zaur. Monopoly is bad. But the grimaces of capitalism too. In America, two railways were laid in parallel in their time. ... What is it? lay a parallel pipe
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 24 September 2020 08: 02
        0
        And here I pay for electricity (industrial tariff).
        1.Simple, prepayment
        2. Correction for the last month by the counter
        3. 70% of prepayment - for future periods.


        Pre-pre-payment for everything. Almost a shutdown. Raise from 10 to 30 kW - those conditions for 300-500 tons of rubles.
        And that's all. Good business.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 24 September 2020 07: 14
    +8
    And the cherry on the cake ...
    ... let at the end of the article announce the prices for Russian pipeline gas and American liquefied gas!
    And how great it is for the Polish economy.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 24 September 2020 07: 42
      0
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      let at the end of the article announce the prices for Russian pipe gas and for American liquefied gas!
      And how great it is for the Polish economy.

      The Poles themselves buy natural gas and 2 times cheaper. But. They themselves liquefy and transport that the price becomes higher than the American LNG
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 24 September 2020 07: 19
    +3
    Yes, Putin does not care about Pshekia from the huge bell tower! lol The puppet is unfinished, periodically disappearing from the world map
  • parusnik
    parusnik 24 September 2020 07: 23
    +4
    If Poland switches to LNG from the US and Qatar, then what does it care about SP-2? Because of what hysteria: We will not let you build SP-2 ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2020 08: 01
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      We will not let you build SP-2 ..

      Will we not allow Poland to build an LNG terminal in the Gulf of Dan, is it dangerous for the Kaliningrad region, violate the environment?
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 24 September 2020 07: 23
    +3
    Okay, Panov - we will survive this trouble. And you stock up on firewood.
  • askort154
    askort154 24 September 2020 07: 25
    +4
    ".. Poland has bad news for Putin"

    There are usually two pieces of news - good and bad. And what "good news" does Poland have for Putin?
    Although, what am I talking about? What good can you expect from the "hyena of Europe".
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 24 September 2020 07: 38
      +1
      And what is Poland's "good news" for Putin?

      It is known what smile
      Poland will buy liquefied gas from the United States, which bought the same gas from Russia ... the Poles have never played a game called a scam.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2020 08: 03
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      And what is Poland's "good news" for Putin?

      Good, Russia cuts off gas to Poland,
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 September 2020 07: 26
    +2
    The author notes that all this is "bad news for Putin."
    fool They will buy our gas from the USA, but at a higher price. We don't care who we sell to, Poland or the USA. The volume does not change. fool The competitiveness of Polish products will fall. And the risks of non-delivery will increase. The sea, you know, force majeure.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 24 September 2020 07: 27
    +1
    In general, they forget one capitalist thing. If tomorrow they increase the volume of purchases of more expensive fuel from gas carriers, then Russia will have a non-illusory reason to raise prices to the level of gas carriers. And if suddenly gas carriers, for some unknown reason, find a more profitable route for themselves or simply do not leave the port (another booze in the USA or something else), then Russia will gladly help Poland. At market prices, of course.
  • Simon
    Simon 24 September 2020 07: 36
    +1
    A floating LNG terminal is planned to be built in the Gulf of Gdansk. This will allow Poland to receive more gas from outside Russia. On Wednesday, a letter of intent was signed by representatives of Gaz-System, the Port of Gdansk Authority and the Maritime Office in Gdynia.

    The Poles think so, but we do not think so. In any case, it is clear that LNG will cost the Pole more than our pipeline gas. fool
  • likana
    likana 24 September 2020 07: 40
    +3
    The Poles, with their hatred of Russia, have made me feel better when I receive bad news from Poland. I don't think I'm the only one ...
  • alex51217
    alex51217 24 September 2020 07: 42
    -4
    This is bad news not for Putin, but for the citizens of the Russian Federation. Gas sales fell - budget revenues and oligarchs' pockets fell - prices for everything (gasoline, tobacco, food, etc.) increased, new fees and fines were introduced.
  • Cuba
    Cuba 24 September 2020 07: 45
    +2
    Great Poland from sea to sea! ..... What you need to smoke, what would be so stuck ??
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 24 September 2020 07: 49
    +2
    Also, starting from 2020, we will import LNG from Qatar - approximately 2,7 billion regasified fuel each.
    One freight from Qatar to Svnoustyce will cost a pretty penny, do the rich have their own habits? We, too, in our youth under the Union from Riga and Tallan to St. Petersburg in the evening flew to a restaurant for dinner: and in the morning we returned,
  • bald
    bald 24 September 2020 07: 50
    +1
    --- "... According to this formula, we are obliged to buy from Russia at least 8,7 billion cubic meters of gas annually." - and let them come to the local gas station with a half-liter can - will they pour it ?! The concept of workload and distribution. Gas will not be lost, there will be an application, but who will grab his head later when ambitions pass.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 24 September 2020 07: 51
    -1
    Europe pays fines to American LNG terminals, considers it the lesser evil, but does not take gas. It supplies Qatari, Russian LNG, and does not refuse pipeline gas. A couple of weeks ago, Novatek delivered a batch of LNG to the UAE, who Do you know what kind of business trouble? Do these people have a problem with gas or is Israel again to blame? hi
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 24 September 2020 07: 58
    +1
    Stunned, what sadness! Russia is all in Panic, Putin generally applied for a residence permit in Pshprashemstan))) The volume of the terminal is simply titanic! And most importantly, gas from the terminal is much cheaper! Lyakhi, what word in Merkel's phrase did not you understand - "gas from the USA is NOT COMPETITIVE in Europe"? laughing
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko 24 September 2020 08: 01
    +2
    What else to write to Poland, which is always suffering from unrealized and in the foreseeable future unrealizable imperial ambitions. A country that has always sought to excel in Europe, but is forced to forever eat leftovers from the lordly tables of neighbors, do not judge Poland harshly.
    Once having chosen the path of professional prostitution and the role of a slave, a kind of Tabaka jackal, Poland is doomed to talk and gossip in the style of a grandmother who is living in a communal apartment.
    The sad lot of the domestic and foreign policy of the Polish government, which has been thinking for centuries that the greatness of the country can be acquired simply by providing paid services.
    Sorry for them.
  • BLADFROST
    BLADFROST 24 September 2020 08: 03
    0
    One might think that Russia is incapable of regulating prices ?! Americans are giving away their LNG at bargain prices with virtually zero income! Therefore, Poles, climb deeper into this gap and then a cold shower will be out of turn for you.
    1. cniza
      cniza 24 September 2020 09: 10
      +1
      Quote: BLADFROST
      One might think that Russia is incapable of regulating prices ?! Americans are giving away their LNG at bargain prices with virtually zero income!


      They buy it from us (Yamal) and resell it to Europe with a normal profit ...
  • musorg
    musorg 24 September 2020 08: 06
    +1
    This is how 2022 will be on the way and we will see what to do with you!
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 24 September 2020 08: 12
    -1
    Enlighten me, illiterate. All our life we ​​have been taught that coal reserves in the world and in Russia are many times greater than those of oil and gas. And what, he will not be needed now? Or will we live to see better or worse times? In this regard, another question. On the one hand, there are many reproaches that we are driving resources to the West. On the other hand, the demand for some resources, such as coal, is decreasing. Or oil, which will be used less and less as a feedstock for gasoline, kerosene, diesel fuel and fuel oil, and more for the chemical industry. But, as I understand it, the chemical industry does not need oil in such huge volumes as it is now. It turns out, in fact, it is still better to sell many types of resources abroad in large volumes, because later some of these resources will not be needed by anyone especially? And so at least now we get the money?
  • Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 24 September 2020 08: 13
    +1
    Loch is not a mammoth, Loch will not die out ...
    The Poles do not want to buy Russian pipeline gas directly - they will buy Russian LNG through American resellers with a corresponding mark-up.
    1. cniza
      cniza 24 September 2020 09: 08
      +2
      And not only the Poles. yes
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 24 September 2020 08: 42
    0
    Poles have a lousy assessment of their own importance ... their throwing and the course for LNG from the United States and Qatar simply means different gas prices for the economy ...
    the green trend in Europe has no economic justification at all ... from about something else and mainly about politics ...
    as well as gas, oil and, by the way, coal is the most energy efficient direction + nuclear energy (Kapitsa's report from the mid-50s) ... so far nothing new ...
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 24 September 2020 10: 53
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      silberwolf88 (SS)
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      Poles have a lousy assessment of their own importance ... their throwing and the course for LNG from the United States and Qatar simply means different gas prices for the economy ...
      the green trend in Europe has no economic justification at all ... from about something else and mainly about politics ...
      as well as gas, oil and, by the way, coal is the most energy efficient direction + nuclear energy (Kapitsa's report from the mid-50s) ... so far nothing new ...
      What else can a dog do on a leash? Just bark at everything around, and if the owner gets tired of barking, it will break the stump. wink
  • cniza
    cniza 24 September 2020 08: 59
    +1
    The author notes that all this is "bad news for Putin."


    The under-imperials amused ...
  • Phoenix
    Phoenix 24 September 2020 09: 04
    +1
    But the news for the Poles is that a significant part of the American LNG is Yamal LNG, resold.
    1. cniza
      cniza 24 September 2020 09: 06
      +1
      You will finish them off if you tell them that all LNG gas for Europe is Yamal ...
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 24 September 2020 09: 16
    -1
    Wah. And what did you want?

    For some reason, there is no overview of prices for this gas anywhere.
    Only - "LNG is more expensive, more expensive", and then again, and it is suddenly cheaper in some articles and we are also hastily building terminals and ships.
    And in one article it emerged that during the recession, the Poles bought gas almost 3 times cheaper than from Gazprom ...
    (and Lukashenka arose strongly on this topic before the virus)
  • Lester7777
    Lester7777 24 September 2020 09: 25
    0
    Horrible! We urgently declare mourning, the Poles, in spite of Russia, froze their ears.
  • Grei
    Grei 24 September 2020 09: 27
    0
    This is a natural question to the loud statement of the Polish press. Where is Poland? Well, they will have a terminal there, so what? Liquefied gas brought from overseas is more expensive. The buyer looks at the price.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 September 2020 09: 34
    -1
    The whole world is switching to LNG.
    Poland is just a special case.
    Dozens of new LNG terminals are being built in Europe.
    Europe will be supplied by Qatar, Australia, Algeria, Nigeria, and the USA.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 24 September 2020 09: 55
      +1
      Well, stop lying about the whole world, we use the pipeline.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 September 2020 10: 18
        +2
        I wrote "goes". 60% today use pipeline, 40% - LNG.
        In 20 years it will be the other way around: 40% - pipes, 60% - LNG.
        Russia also understands this: they have built a terminal in the Far East and Yamal.
        Only Miller still hovers in the clouds and lives on past successes, although profits have fallen 20 times.
    2. unhappy
      unhappy 24 September 2020 11: 17
      0
      Yes, there is such a trend. Only amend the list of exporting countries. Can you guess? Correctly there will be no USA.
      America's LNG is shale gas (associated with shale oil production). The technology for producing such oil requires several times more wells to be drilled and, accordingly, the number of new wells is proportional to the future volume of oil and gas. The news is that the statistics are fresh - businessmen have stopped investing money in drilling new wells. They are reluctant to step on a rake and re-lose their finances, as you know what happened in the sphere of the "shale revolution" and the oil price crisis. I have already mentioned that the gas is associated wink
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 September 2020 12: 01
        +1
        The hitch is actually due to the fact that the internal gas pipelines from Texas to the east coast have not yet been completed, where gas will be liquefied and loaded onto ships. Delivery to Europe is not very profitable today. Therefore, they sometimes outbid ships (including Russian ones).
        1. unhappy
          unhappy 24 September 2020 12: 19
          0
          Drilling takes a lot of time, if you don't drill today, there will be less oil and gas tomorrow. Shale wells are dying out quickly. They give little money for drilling new wells, which is not clear? If there is not enough oil and gas (well if there is enough for the domestic market), why the heck are pipelines from Texas?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 24 September 2020 13: 30
            +2
            Shale oil deposits in the United States have been found huge lately.
            Mining technologies are constantly evolving and changing. The cost price goes down. There will be a lot of associated gas.
            Apparently, they thought that export liquefaction would be profitable.
            1. unhappy
              unhappy 25 September 2020 08: 08
              0
              I mentioned the statistics from the specialized departments of the United States, it was not my idea. Maybe in 10 or 50 years it is not profitable to drill with lasers, now with low oil prices!
              Tell me how many years they promise to build a fusion reactor? Now, just a little left, wait ..
              So it will be drilling with lasers, wait hi
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 25 September 2020 11: 14
                +1
                I don't know about laser drilling, but in the States, horizontal
                drilling for oil production. Therefore, there are fewer towers on the surface,
                everything happens underground, less environmental damage.
                With the help of these American methods and in Russia from Samatlor now
                squeeze out the last drops: all sorts of pockets and underground bays,
                with primitive vertical drilling in the last century.
                1. unhappy
                  unhappy 26 September 2020 07: 31
                  0
                  Shale oil and ecology, keep going laughing
  • Andrew 40
    Andrew 40 24 September 2020 09: 38
    +1
    So let them continue to pump gas from lice into their "pigs" in three expensive ways.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 24 September 2020 09: 52
    0
    We will gasify ourselves. Our domestic market is far from being fully developed.
    It is clear that Gazprom wants dollars, but apparently it will have to break itself.
    By the way, it would not be bad to lay a gas pipe to the Crimea along the bridge.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 September 2020 09: 52
    +3
    For Putin, the news is even worse for the Poles: they will not receive any gas directly from Russia at all. stop negative lol
  • Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 24 September 2020 09: 56
    0
    This is called "to spite my mother's frostbite ears", we are not talking about economic benefits (unless resale to Ukrainian suckers at exorbitant prices). And so it's time to introduce a new concept of "Polish" logic ...
  • zwlad
    zwlad 24 September 2020 10: 02
    +1
    The Poles have no idea that the LNG they buy from the Yankees is partly Russian.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 24 September 2020 10: 28
    0
    It is very important for Russia that this donut hole is broadcasting.
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 24 September 2020 10: 56
    0
    Poland has bad news for Putin

    Poland can at least supply a fence from LNG terminals, but gas will still be purchased from Russia. They will shout and quietly buy LNG from the Russians, it is banally cheaper. Just calculate the delivery shoulder from the US and from Sabetta.
    The most noisy Russophobes from Lithuania and they pumped Russian gas into their "Independence"
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 24 September 2020 11: 11
    +1
    Bad news for the Kremlin? Yes, this is bad news for the Poles, they will buy the same Russian gas from the Americans, only at an inflated price.
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 24 September 2020 11: 33
    0
    Most likely, due to the logistics component, Qatar and the United States are selling them gas from Novatek under their own. The so-called "offset system".
    So I have bad news for the Poles, Russia will still get its own.
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 24 September 2020 11: 54
    0
    It just becomes impossible to read their schizoid comments. smile

    And I'm already used to it.
    Poles are eternal haters of Russia. Let them freeze their ears to spite us.
    But I'm not worried about the fate of Nord Stream 2.
    Well, the top managers of Gazprom will not get the coveted profits in the form of billions of euros. They will not buy themselves more yachts and estates with mansions. Somehow Russia will survive this terrible loss.
    Will endure.
    After all, there is Nord Stream 1.
    I already wrote on "VO" many times. I'll write again.
    It is time to turn oil and gas flows into the interior of the country.
    To revive and develop the oil and gas chemical industry. Build factories.
    Provide the population of our vast Motherland with household gas from the mains.
    Everyone. Even remote villages, villages and auls.
    Make sure that Russia's energy resources are developed her the economy, not the economies of Europe and China ...
    The other day the Duma is adopting a law on free connection of the population to gas lines.
    Thirty years have been getting together with the spirit ... Well, almost - since 1993.
    And the people all this time were paying two hundred thousand for the connection.
    Beauty!..
    Well, they will adopt this law and that's it - has the problem been solved? I doubt it ...
    A stratum of ghoul intermediaries has long been formed in the localities, who will not miss their ...
    The will of the government is needed to reason with them. Is it there?
    Spit on pshek. We keep our fists for the Russians. yes
  • sergevonsohrn
    sergevonsohrn 24 September 2020 11: 55
    0
    This is bad news not for Putin, but, first of all, for Poland itself ... It is known that LNG is more expensive than Russian pipeline gas by 40%, as a result of which Polish products become uncompetitive on world markets ... Only round people can "rejoice" in this! ...