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Danger of transarctic raids by B-1B missile carriers. Strike from the north with the expectation of the terrain bend mode

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As shown by the two-week monitoring of domestic and foreign military analytical sites, online portals for monitoring regional and global air traffic PlaneRadar.ru and Flightradar24, as well as tactical online maps MilitaryMaps and liveuamap.com, the lion's share of tasks for the implementation "Friendly visits" to the borders of the Murmansk, Kaliningrad, Leningrad and Crimean air defense zones A2 / AD with simultaneous testing (software imitation) of massed missileaviation strikes against strategically important naval targets deployed in the above regions, air bases, anti-aircraft missile regiments, as well as radio and radio reconnaissance regiments were primarily assigned to the crews of the US Air Force B-52H Stratofortress strategic missile-carrying bombers.


Demonstration flights to our air lines of supersonic missile carriers B-1B "Lancer" were of an exclusively episodic nature, not to mention the fact that in most cases the operation of these machines was carried out in neutral airspace in the Arctic conventional theater of operations (over the central and northern regions of the Barents, Kara , East Siberian and Okhotsk seas). Naturally, these facts cannot but push the expert communities and knowledgeable observers into sufficiently serious reflections on the concept of using these strategic missile carriers in the upcoming regional and global military conflicts between the Russian Federation and the North Atlantic Alliance considered by the specialists of the US Air Force Global Strike Command. Why?

Should we underestimate the threat of a transpolar strike from B-1B missile carriers?


It is well known that the fleet of these very machines, which have an effective reflective surface (EOC) of the order of 1,4 sq. m in frontal projection (in comparison with 100 sq. m for B-52H), the ability to fly in the terrain enveloping mode (in the altitude range of 60-100 m thanks to the specialized algorithm of the SKN-2440 inertial navigation system in conjunction with the AN / APQ-164 and a low-altitude radio altimeter AN / APN-224), as well as ammunition from 24 unobtrusive tactical long-range cruise missiles AGM-158B JASSM-ER (they have an EPR of the order of 0,05-0,07 sq. M against 0,2 sq. m at ALCM AGM-86C / D Block IA / II) is almost the only strategic asset of the 20th Air Army of the US Air Force Global Strike Command, which is maximally adapted to perform strike operations in the theater of operations of the XNUMXst century, replete with a wide range of enemy air defense systems. Consequently, from a logical point of view, it is the Lancers that can be considered by the Main Strike Command as the key "tools" for undermining the combat stability of the Crimean anti-aircraft / anti-missile "umbrella", which cannot be said about the clumsy "Stratofortress".

Nevertheless, as the highest priority air routes for the B-1B crews to practice air refueling and carry out "digital launches" of the stealthy tactical JASSM-ER missile launchers (and their anti-ship version LRASM), the command of the 20th Air Army chooses exclusively the eastern, northern eastern, northern and northwestern (in the Arctic and Pacific conventional theaters of military operations).

This situation is due to the following factors. First, there are cardinal differences in the geographical features of the deployment of anti-aircraft missile regiments of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the air defense forces of the ground forces in the Republic of Crimea, as well as in the Arctic and Far Eastern regions. In particular, the positions of dozens of anti-aircraft missile battalions and regiments Buk-M1-2 / 2, S-300PM2 and S-400, covering strategically important facilities of the Western Military District in Crimea, are scattered at a distance of about 30-70 km from each other. As a result, the 22S39 and 40N6E9 / 36N30E illumination and guidance radars attached to these anti-aircraft missile systems and placed on 6- and 2-meter masts and 92V6MD universal towers provide the formation of a continuous and stable anti-aircraft / anti-missile "barrier" in all low-altitude sections of the airspace without exception. Russia over the Republic of Crimea, because the range of the radio horizon for the 22С9 illumination radars placed on 36-meter masts is 65 km for the B-70B "Lancer" missile carriers operating at 1 m altitudes and 37 km for AGM tactical missiles "creeping" 20 meters from the earth's surface -158B, while for 30 / 92Н6Е radars on 39-meter towers, the radio horizon range for similar target types is 58 and 44 km, respectively.

Conclusion: with the maximum degree of probability, the Lancers' massive missile and air strikes on the strategically important military infrastructure of the RF Armed Forces in the Crimea and Krasnodar Territory will be stopped even taking into account the use of low-altitude flight profiles by both B-1B missile carriers and JASSM-ER cruise missiles.

As for the Arctic and Far Eastern theaters of military operations, where the positions of similar anti-aircraft missile divisions and regiments are dispersed at a distance of hundreds, and sometimes thousands of kilometers from each other (due to vast spaces with unprepared terrain and adverse meteorological conditions), here are the crews “ Lancers ", using a combined flight profile, will be able to achieve a low-altitude launch of long-range tactical missiles JASSM-ER at strategically important military-industrial facilities in the Urals and Southern Siberia. The MiG-31BM interceptors deployed at the Tiksi polar airfield and operating in conjunction with the A-50U long-range radar detection and control aircraft, as well as the Sunflower and Container over-the-horizon radar systems, are capable of stopping these "raids" of the US Air Force strategic aviation.

An equally significant role in countering ultra-low-altitude air attack weapons (including B-1B missile carriers and JASSM-ER missiles) will be played by the re-equipment of combat units of air defense missile systems and air defense forces of ground forces in the most missile-hazardous air directions of the Arctic theater of operations with the latest air defense systems S-300V4, S-350 Vityaz "And" Buk-M3 ", the ammunition of which is represented by the 9M82MV, 9M96DM and 9M317MA missiles with active radar seeker of the Slanets family from the Agat Research Institute, providing interception of low-altitude air objects" behind the screen "of the radio horizon for target designation from third-party ground and air-based radars , as well as means of electronic and optical-electronic intelligence.
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  1. Stepych
    Stepych 25 September 2020 05: 57 New
    +1
    The shortest way is through the Arctic.
    It has long been necessary to rebuild the radar.
    Tomahawks may arrive unnoticed, response time may be lost, and it will be too late to intercept them.
    It is noteworthy that until 2013, the military closed this airfield. They took out all the equipment and threw it away.
    You can check google if you don't believe
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 25 September 2020 06: 35 New
      +6
      that's why they want to install ZGRS, there will be Sunflowers and Resonance-N.
      well, there is a possibility that the Containers will also be sent to the North
      1. Outsider
        Outsider 27 September 2020 00: 37 New
        0
        - Over-the-horizon radars do not work in the polar direction... There is no normal ionosphere. Therefore, there is a "hole" of 5000 km for American missile carriers, take a walk - I don't want to! wink
        1. demchuk.ig
          demchuk.ig 30 September 2020 14: 42 New
          0
          "hole" of 5000 km, walk - I don't want to! How many years ago, I read about radars, in which antennas are raised by balloons or airships and the detection capabilities increase.
          1. Outsider
            Outsider 30 September 2020 20: 36 New
            -1
            What does the over-the-horizon radar station have to do with it, which operate on the principle of multiple reflection of sounding pulses from the ionosphere? And they are huge, and there is no need to lift them on balloons - this does not increase their multi-thousand-kilometer detection range. They only need a normal ionosphere, and in the polar zones it cannot be normal, due to the peculiarities of the Earth's magnetosphere and the solar wind ...
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 25 September 2020 08: 04 New
      +7
      Quote: Stepych
      It has long been necessary to rebuild the radar.

      They have been there for a long time:

    3. Imperial Technocrat
      Imperial Technocrat 25 September 2020 14: 41 New
      -8
      It has long been necessary to rebuild the radar.

      Tomahawks may arrive unnoticed, response time may be lost, and it will be too late to intercept them.

      It is noteworthy that until 2013, the military closed this airfield. They took out all the equipment and threw it away.

      You are a red-footed idiot

      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 25 September 2020 15: 27 New
        +2
        There is no continuous radar field there.
    4. huntsman650
      huntsman650 26 September 2020 13: 10 New
      0
      Freeze, will not reach)))
    5. TechPriest
      TechPriest 1 October 2020 19: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Stepych
      The shortest way is through the Arctic.

      Not everything is so simple - planes do not fly through it in a straight line to the states, and there are reasons for that.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 25 September 2020 06: 38 New
    11
    Will there be an attack? Will there be an attack? .... everything rests on one postulate - the inevitability of a retaliatory, crushing blow!
    We cannot compete with them in terms of conventional weapons, so it is even stupid to talk about conflicts of low intensity, you should not even try! Those. our vigorous loaf should always be ready for immediate distribution to "addressees"!
    1. vic02
      vic02 25 September 2020 11: 49 New
      +3
      our vigorous loaf should always be ready for immediate distribution to "addressees"
      This is certainly true, but there can be many options for events, so there is only one question - when, at what stage of US aggressive actions are you ready to press the button? Blocking ports and sea trade routes - ready? Destruction of main gas transmission hubs in Siberia by non-nuclear missile strike - ready?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 September 2020 12: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: vic02
        are you ready to press the button

        each has its own term, its own responsibility.
        it is my duty now to prepare those who will do their duty properly when their time comes. now it's my responsibility.
      2. Imperial Technocrat
        Imperial Technocrat 25 September 2020 14: 45 New
        -1
        There is a specific science of "military conflict management", as well as long-developed plans for this or that case. A naval blockade is, of course, an act of aggression in accordance with international law. After that, the blocking ships are sent by anti-ship missiles to the ad
      3. The comment was deleted.
    2. Imperial Technocrat
      Imperial Technocrat 25 September 2020 14: 43 New
      -4
      Rave. We are not only able to compete in the usual way, but also excel. In all territories near the border, as well as in the Arctic and European theater of operations

      I do not argue that if you "assign a shooter" somewhere in a remote theater of operations near Argentina, purely in the fleets, then they have an advantage. But that's not what we're talking about
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 September 2020 14: 51 New
        +2
        you cannot underestimate the enemy and overestimate your strengths and capabilities.
        After the loss of the potential of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, only our vigorous loaves restrain those who retained their military, economic potential, the collective west from ... everything for which they will fly in response.
        If you are a technocrat, you can count ... COUNT.
  3. Errr
    Errr 25 September 2020 06: 47 New
    10
    In order to hit the JASSM-ER (so to speak, to blow the JASSMers smile ) for objects in Southern Siberia from the northern direction, Lancer needs to go deeper than 1000 km into the airspace of the Russian Federation. Enta JASSM-ER itself, even in the latest version, does not fly further than 1000 km, and more than 2000 km from the coastline of the Arctic to, for example, Novosibirsk. The bird will be tormented by dodging air defense. laughing
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 25 September 2020 15: 29 New
      -6
      And there is no air defense. What to dodge?
  4. certero
    certero 25 September 2020 07: 03 New
    +1
    AWACS aircraft patrol the area. They have a much longer detection range.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 25 September 2020 15: 31 New
      -1
      Yes, more. An AWACS aircraft sees a large ship only 400 km away, and a small rocket will see much closer. How many of these planes do we have?
  5. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 25 September 2020 07: 25 New
    +3
    And our White Swan is able to work in the terrain bend mode ??? I watched the work of the B-1B in this mode (shooting from the cockpit by the pilot) - the surface is really mesmerizing, which is drawn under the nose and the plane of the car. It is what it is.
    1. Hermit21
      Hermit21 25 September 2020 08: 19 New
      +4
      These flights and flights in the Middle East in a subsonic configuration killed the resource of the Lancera glider. They will be written off in 4-5 years
    2. figwam
      figwam 25 September 2020 09: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: viktor_ui
      And our White Swan is able to work

      These are different classes of aircraft with different capabilities and missions. Tu-160 will not enter the enemy's air defense zone, missiles allow you to do this from a safe distance.
    3. Aleks2048
      Aleks2048 25 September 2020 09: 13 New
      -1
      And our White Swan is able to work in the terrain bend mode ???

      The white swan does not need this from the word at all. The different concept of using strategic bombers is dictated by the difference in their weapons and, as it were, in the places of their use.
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 25 September 2020 12: 05 New
        -4
        all three answers are unconvincing ... I repeat: does the White Swan or our other strategists have the technology of automatic flight with terrain bending ???
        The glider can be deformed at any height by putting the load on it at supercritical angles and modes (I say right away that an amateur in this area - but I have a mindset)
        They are not so radically different and I see no point in rejecting such an opportunity.
        The concept is different in the use of strategists ... even if I don't believe you. Maybe in the absence of such an opportunity for our strategists, someone is again very dear to the top, or what is worse, there is no technical groundwork (let’s omit fighter aircraft in this regard) ???
        And it is not necessary to say that such an opportunity for our pilots is unnecessary from the word in general, because the car in such flight modes will be an order of magnitude more accurate than the pilot - it will not simply get tired. And the underlying surface will give an extra chance to survive for the pilots of the strategist when working with air defense.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 25 September 2020 13: 51 New
          +8
          Quote: viktor_ui
          And the underlying surface will give an extra chance to survive for the pilots of the strategist when working with air defense.

          Signor, you lowered the strategist to the level of a stormtrooper!
          The strategist is the essence of a platform with the goal of delivering weapons (KRBD) to the task completion line - the launch line of the KRBD. It is not his task to enter the air defense zone. The danger for our 160M2 lies in the MPRO / Air Defense - Aegis on Berks and IA with AVU. Therefore, in order to "fly" the strategists along a given route, within the framework of inflicting RAU / RNU with the adversary, the fleet will carry out an operation to clear the corridor from Berkov and AVU with IA. But first, the MRA (in the 22M3M version with the x-32 or 22) will pass together with the submarine through our friends at the air defense / anti-aircraft defense lines. It is not realistic to fight alone now: vultures will peck to death. (This is to the question "Why do we need aviki?")
          As for the title of the article.
          "Strike from the north with the expectation of the mode of enveloping the terrain" - nonsense! Author, look at the map of our Arctic! ("backwoods", as we joked in our youth!) - the tundra without end and edge! ... what, nafig, "relief?" The table is the table! And the AGM-109A axes (so that 158 ​​vehicles immediately target targets? Without suppressing air defense / missile defense ... I have little faith. For air defense / missile defense forces, yes. For this, they essentially sculpted like a scalpel against our air defense missile systems) need for something to "catch" on the ground. It is these "areas of correction" that should be stuck around the air defense system of all radii. Because satellites and GPS will plug our electronic warfare or S-500 (which, according to whales, even meteorites have already knocked down!). The old reliable tool will remain - Terkom. And he needs reference points to determine his place ... and to correct the course. But 6 of them are taken by our MiG-31BM, simultaneously firing at 4 of the most "delicious" ones.
          And the Lancers will not climb into our territory, well, if only through Krajina, which, according to media reports, signed a separate agreement with the Yankees on joint "protection" from evil m-osk-lei. Therefore, the state 52Ns flew to Crimea from the side of the Square ...
          (Well, the clown! The 95th quarter no longer shines for you, a worthless seller! You turned out to be much worse even than Potrasheko, Judas bursting!)
          1. viktor_ui
            viktor_ui 25 September 2020 14: 41 New
            0
            I do not understand ... you called me a Judas lard? Alexander, what the fuck?
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 25 September 2020 17: 42 New
              +1
              Victor! God forbid!!! This is what I christened prezik dill !!!
              You are a normal Maine, what are you talking about !?
              1. viktor_ui
                viktor_ui 26 September 2020 04: 27 New
                +1
                Damn, I was already upset before ... my own and what I think drinks laughing
                1. Niel-le-Calais
                  Niel-le-Calais 28 September 2020 15: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: viktor_ui
                  Damn, I was already upset before ... my own and what I think

                  but how upset Zelensky was ... he could not eat.
                  1. viktor_ui
                    viktor_ui 29 September 2020 06: 03 New
                    0
                    I'm more upset and fatter fellow wassat
          2. Bez 310
            Bez 310 25 September 2020 15: 38 New
            -4
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            first MRA ... with PLA ...

            We do not have an MPA. We have almost no PLA ...
            Those Tu-22m3 that remained in the Long-Range Aviation,
            not enough for anything. Unfortunately...
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 25 September 2020 17: 44 New
              -1
              We have 60 22M3 boards, of which 30 will be upgraded to M3M. So, 2 directions should be enough. Well, if not enough - "the soldier will add!" (from)
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 25 September 2020 18: 51 New
                -3
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                We have 60 22M3 boards, of which 30 will be upgraded to M3M.

                I have to disappoint you - we barely have about 40
                Tu-22m3, which can still move, but for the time being
                cannot even find 10 boards with a good glider.
                And I don’t understand, but where do you plan to send the existing
                Tu-22m3? What task should they solve according to your
                plans?
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 25 September 2020 19: 07 New
                  -1
                  -and where do you plan to send the available
                  Tu-22m3?
                  Personally, "I" - nowhere, because the "steering wheel" passed back in 2010.
                  What task should they solve according to your
                  plans?
                  Not my plans, but according to the plans of the first operations of the fleet. And where - I kind of wrote in the previous post. Time and coordinates, call me, I will not indicate. Not sure if this will benefit our forces ...
                  About 60 boards - so the reference books give. I only "broadcast" ... The UAC plans ...
                  On the spot, of course, it is more visible, but not so much that 1/3 of the available sides are covered with cracks from metal fatigue!
                  1. Bez 310
                    Bez 310 25 September 2020 19: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    Not my plans, but according to the plans of the first operations of the fleet. And where - I kind of wrote in the previous post.

                    Excuse me, stupid, but you could not
                    you, without revealing all "our plans are huge",
                    just write in Russian letters - what will have to
                    to make Tu-22m3 aircraft? Sorry for the persistence,
                    but I'm at a loss ...
                    1. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa 25 September 2020 19: 34 New
                      0
                      I can advise you to read Tom Clancy's "Bloody Dawn". Everything is colorfully painted there. Based on this novel, Annapolis has modeled a computer-based military-situational game and is successfully training graduates to resist "aggressive Russians." True, there aviks are drowned in 2 waves ... Berks were not there yet, but this does not change the essence.
                      Good luck.
                      1. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 25 September 2020 19: 42 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        I can advise you to read Tom Clancy's "Bloody Dawn". Everything is colorfully painted there.

                        "It is a pity that we did not manage to listen to
                        head of the transport department. "
                        The fact is that a long time ago I was keenly interested in
                        the use of supersonic missile carriers
                        type "backfire", thinking that you understand this,
                        I wanted to learn new trends in the use of 30-40 living
                        airplanes.
                        It turned out that you know about it within the headings
                        patriotic articles. Excuse for troubling.
                      2. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 25 September 2020 19: 47 New
                        0
                        Senor, did you seriously expect that I would give you a course of lectures on the combat use of the Avug, with 6-7 support groups of the strike group !? belay
                        It too! OI is for the department of tactics and operational art! Sorry... hi
                      3. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 25 September 2020 19: 55 New
                        -1
                        It's a pity...
                        I, in principle, was only interested in this conclusion - "first, the MRA (in the 22M3M version with the x-32 or 22) will walk together with the submarine through our friends at the air defense / anti-aircraft defense lines."
                        As you already know, the MPA has not existed for a long time, there are no Kh-32 missiles, the submarine will be engaged in completely different tasks, but this is not important.
                        What are these "air defense lines" through which Tu-22m3 long-range aircraft should "walk"? Well, at least give a hint, please ...
                      4. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 26 September 2020 13: 17 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        there are no X-32 missiles,

                        At the end of 2016, the Kh-32 rocket was officially put into service. It is planned to upgrade 30 Tu-22M3 aircraft to Tu-22M3M.
                        PLA will deal with completely different tasks,
                        What tasks they are given, so they will do. The 949 MA was upgraded in order to solve similar problems.
                        What are these "air defense lines". Well, at least hint, please ...
                        Colleague, either you are too lazy to look for information on your own, or you have no one to talk to.
                        Exclusively for you: The task of destroying the borders of the MRO is in all its glory ... for the Northern Fleet. Burke and Ticonderogi with SM-3 Block-1B: "The SM-3 Block 1B version is used as in the missile defense systems that are equipped with cruisers and destroyers of the US Navy ...
                      5. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 26 September 2020 14: 32 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        the Kh-32 rocket officially entered service

                        Well yes...
                        Unfortunately, the troops do not have a single carrier
                        of these missiles, so "cut the sturgeon."

                        Quote: BoA KAA
                        .... for SF ... Burke and Ticonderogi

                        Wononocho ...
                        Can you imagine how much Tu-22m3 is needed to
                        disable the KUG, consisting of CD URO and 3 EM URO,
                        under the cover of continental air defense?
                        Our 35-40 pieces simply will not reach the launch line of the CD.
                        So there is nothing left of your fabulous "sturgeon".

                        And the pictures are beautiful ...
  6. Shiden
    Shiden 25 September 2020 16: 49 New
    -1
    Eka how you famously defeated the adversary in words, but in fact you are sure that all the weapons systems that you described will work in a real combat situation as they say on TV.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 25 September 2020 17: 49 New
      +1
      This is not “in words,” but according to the accepted views on the initial period of an armed conflict of “high intensity,” as they say in the West.
      By the way about the birds! For amov, too, not everything is as painted in commercials and glossy advertising brochures for mn exhibitions ...
      1. Shiden
        Shiden 25 September 2020 21: 40 New
        +2
        That is, in words, in a real combat situation, soldiers pay in blood. And so that you are convinced of this, God forbid you to get into a real battle, you will immediately have questions about what was written this way, but it turned out the other way around. Well, when they show what the laboratory has turned into and around there are entire buildings, I should doubt the weapons used, but when they destroy anti-aircraft guns that have no analogues in the world, they tell me about the hands of the Arabs, and both de and those pe. Maybe already enough to believe everything that is said on TV.
  • Errr
    Errr 25 September 2020 16: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: viktor_ui
    And our White Swan is able to work in the terrain bend mode ???
    In the space between the cockpit and the Tu-160 surveillance radar units there is a Sopka radar designed for low-altitude flights with terrain bending. In the picture below, it is labeled at number 6 as "Sopka terrain following radar scanner".
    PS Google this picture yourself. Our site did not upload a large picture, alas. sad
    1. Lozovik
      Lozovik 26 September 2020 08: 33 New
      0
      That's why she is a picture, the artist's fantasy. The reality is somewhat different.
      1. Errr
        Errr 26 September 2020 13: 05 New
        0
        Not convinced, because in the photo you provided there is no lower structure of the nose section behind the fairing. The "Sopka" should be below, exactly behind the Obzor-K PrNK antenna. On the structural layout diagram, it is shown there. Its antenna (much smaller than the "Obzor" one) surveys the front of the lower hemisphere because of (from under) the "Obzor" antenna.
        1. Lozovik
          Lozovik 2 November 2020 10: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Herrr
          Not convinced, because in the photo you provided there is no lower structure of the nose part behind the fairing

          This will give you nothing:


          Now compare the estimated field of view of the so-called. "Sopka terrain following radar scanner" with a real RPS Relief, given that the Su-24 is a limited-maneuverable aircraft (ny add = 6,0), and the Tu-160 is not maneuverable (ny add = 2,5).

          1. Errr
            Errr 2 November 2020 17: 37 New
            +1
            Thanks for your reply. I have to admit that you are right.
            There is clearly not enough space inside the Tu-160 head fairing for my supposed Sopka radar antenna.
  • SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 25 September 2020 18: 38 New
    -2
    Quote: viktor_ui
    And our White Swan is able to work in the terrain bend mode ???


    No, he can’t.
    The fuselage is covered with an accordion, as well as when speeding above M-1.6
    1. Lozovik
      Lozovik 26 September 2020 08: 36 New
      0
      The accordion can be covered only by high-speed pressure, but not by the number M. The plane calmly holds M = 1,9, it was checked repeatedly during overflights and during the exercise of the KBP.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 25 September 2020 07: 48 New
    -5
    Quote: Herrr
    In order to hit the JASSM-ER (so to speak, to blow the JASSMers smile ) for objects in Southern Siberia from the northern direction, Lancer needs to go deeper than 1000 km into the airspace of the Russian Federation. Enta JASSM-ER itself, even in the latest version, does not fly further than 1000 km, and more than 2000 km from the coastline of the Arctic to, for example, Novosibirsk. The bird will be tormented by dodging air defense. laughing

    You do not understand the seriousness, if you do not compete with conventional weapons, then the loaf will not have time to take off, it will be destroyed
    1. SeregaBoss
      SeregaBoss 25 September 2020 08: 06 New
      +6
      So serious analysts have pulled themselves together.
      Does the baton not have time to take off? Seriously?
      Well, I hasten to calm you down, Ivan will have time to throw his boots on the remote control.
      1. imobile2008
        imobile2008 25 September 2020 08: 17 New
        -15 qualifying.
        Will not have time. Even in the USSR there was a concept, it was necessary to hold out for time for mobilization, in order to orientate and strike. Rockets do not accelerate very quickly at launch. Their fighters shoot down. And if you consider that most of the launch sites will be destroyed before the start, it is even sadder. But most importantly, all communications will be destroyed, without an order, not a single rocket will start, and an order will not reach
        1. Hermit21
          Hermit21 25 September 2020 08: 32 New
          15
          2008 - not by any chance the year of birth? For I have big doubts that such nonsense can be carried by an adult sane person
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 September 2020 09: 33 New
            +8
            Quote: Hermit21
            such nonsense can be said by an adult sane person

            Unfortunately, age is not an indicator of sanity and the presence of at least some knowledge in the head!
            Although this
            Quote: imobile2008
            Rockets do not accelerate very quickly at launch

            It was necessary .... to come up \ not to think!
        2. figwam
          figwam 25 September 2020 09: 23 New
          +5
          Quote: imobile2008
          Not in time.

          As soon as the mass concentration and approach of enemy aircraft or the launch of ballistic or tactical missiles are recorded, a counter-nuclear strike by the entire triad will be made, after which the United States will be completely destroyed.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 25 September 2020 18: 43 New
            -1
            Quote: figvam
            Quote: imobile2008
            Not in time.

            As soon as the mass concentration and approach of enemy aircraft or the launch of ballistic or tactical missiles are recorded, a counter-nuclear strike by the entire triad will be made, after which the United States will be completely destroyed.


            Have you ever seen the time of command passage from the moment the enemy launched it to the moment of retaliation?

            I dare to assure you that when the Tridents fire on a flat trajectory, 50% of our stationary nuclear deterrent forces will be destroyed before the command passes
            with a 5 minute reserve.

            That's how important the nuclear submarines and SSBNs really are for us ...

            And not stupid in a situation with the first strike, namely the Tridents Yarsa, Sarmatians, and other Calibers.

            The calculations of the forces of the Strategic Missile Forces simply will not have time to receive the command to strike ...
        3. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 25 September 2020 18: 45 New
          -2
          What nonsense they wrote ???? Shoot down ballistic missiles with fighters?
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 25 September 2020 09: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: imobile2008
      You do not understand the seriousness, if you do not compete with conventional weapons, then the loaf will not have time to take off, it will be destroyed

      Where does this .... information come from?
      Okay, morning fun is also a matter.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 25 September 2020 10: 28 New
        +4
        So friday smile
        And apparently some "missiles slowly float away" are understood literally. Although what is not mentioned about fins is already good smile
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 25 September 2020 09: 52 New
    +1
    Digital igrun Damantsev in his repertoire ... Neighing especially at the definition of "expert communities" drinks
    and we have him - "knowledgeable observer"! soldier
    Hey, "knowledgeable", what military academy he graduated from?
    laughing laughing laughing
  • Operator
    Operator 25 September 2020 10: 23 New
    0
    Author: what the hell is the attack on the territory of the Russian Federation by American strategic bombers in the mode with rounding the terrain from any azimuth - if the Russian Federation has a decameter ZGRLS "Container" with a detection range of 5500 km for air targets?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 25 September 2020 10: 57 New
      +2
      Okay, having encrypted under someone peaceful, you can fly! But not the fact that it will be possible to fly out.
      Those. a single action is possible, but it will also be FINAL, in all respects, for organizers and participants.
      1. Operator
        Operator 25 September 2020 11: 36 New
        +3
        All civil aircraft now fly with transponders. Those. an airplane without a transponder in our airspace is a legitimate target for air defense.
        1. svoit
          svoit 25 September 2020 12: 08 New
          +2
          Transponders have nothing to do with it, the legitimate purpose is the one that does not respond to the request of the state identification system
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 September 2020 12: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: Operator
            All civilian aircraft now fly with transponders.

            An identification system, a transponder, is on all aircraft ... just the military turns it on / off when ... necessary. It is not customary for civilians to turn them off at all!
            Quote: Operator
            plane without transponder

            In addition to it, the flight plan, route, flight parameters, aircraft indicators are TRACKED ... when discrepancies arise, measures can be taken !!! Identification or destruction, as appropriate.
            Not everywhere, not always, but in areas of increased attention / responsibility this is a common practice.
          2. Operator
            Operator 25 September 2020 12: 44 New
            0
            And what, foreign civil liners are already equipped with the Russian system of state recognition? laughing
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 25 September 2020 19: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      Author: what the hell is the attack on the territory of the Russian Federation by American strategic bombers in the mode with rounding the terrain from any azimuth - if the Russian Federation has a decameter ZGRLS "Container" with a detection range of 5500 km for air targets?


      Alternatively gifted golden operator
      , you should at least look at it ...
      I can assure you that nothing else was built there ..
    3. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 25 September 2020 19: 53 New
      0
      I suspect that the minimum detection range of air targets of the ZGRS "Container" is greater than the distance from it to the border, which somewhat diminishes its value. And it's no secret that decameter radars are very sensitive to the state of the ionosphere. Well, most likely, the ZGRS itself will be on the list of the enemy's priority targets.
      1. Operator
        Operator 25 September 2020 23: 49 New
        -1
        The maximum detection range of the "Container" air targets with linear dimensions B1 is 6000 km, the minimum range is 1000 km.

        A missile strike on the Container ZGRLS will mean a retaliatory nuclear missile strike with a flight time of less than 20 minutes on the territory of NATO countries, as well as the rise into the air of fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and A-50/100 AWACS aircraft with a B1 all-altitude detection range of 500 km.

        PS Where is the logic in organizing the B1 raid on the territory of Russia? If they act as a means of the first strike, then ZGRLS will be detected at the turn of the coast of Canada with three hours of flight to targets on the territory of the Russian Federation. If they act as a means of a second strike after a missile strike on the ZGRLS, then no one will care about their flight profile - the European NATO countries by the time of their approach to the territory of the Russian Federation will have already burned up in nuclear fire, and the A-50/100, MiG-31 and The Su-35 will meet B1 over the Arctic at the launch line of the RVV BD 300 km away.
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 26 September 2020 18: 49 New
          0
          It is clear that no one will send them with the first blow, but with the second ... completely. There are certain doubts that the European countries will already burn out (it is quite possible that there will be no time for them), and that the MiG-31 and Su-35 will rise (the air force bases are to be destroyed in the first place), there are certain doubts.
          1. Operator
            Operator 26 September 2020 21: 52 New
            0
            Only the first strike matters - all nuclear states (with the exception of Israel) have most of their nuclear warheads deployed not on aircraft, but on missile carriers. The bombers and subsonic cruise missiles participating in the second strike will freely overcome the air defense zone due to the blocking of the air defense radar by areas of ionized air from nuclear explosions of ICBM and SLBM warheads.

            However, the use of ballistic missiles and hypersonic cruise missiles with a flight time of 6 to 40 minutes is priceless - they destroy not only military, industrial and infrastructure facilities, but also destroy the most important thing: the control staff and mobilization potential of the enemy - the population that does not have time to evacuate or occupy asylum.

            The flight time of bombers and cruise missiles is from 3 to 6 hours - during this time it is quite possible to evacuate a significant part of the control staff and the population. That will allow you to dominate the post-nuclear world.
        2. Beregovic_1
          Beregovic_1 26 September 2020 20: 44 New
          0
          More details about the Su-35 in the Arctic, if possible. Appeared in the North? Missed maybe ....
          1. Operator
            Operator 26 September 2020 21: 54 New
            0
            I am not aware of the current deployment of the Su-35, but there is such a thing as redeployment during a threatened period.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 25 September 2020 11: 18 New
    0
    In my opinion, we are again being bred into an arms race, this time of a defensive nature. The United States is now objectively not in a position to start a major war - it has spread too many tentacles in problem areas. By focusing on us, they risk missing the "knight's move" from the PRC at least.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 25 September 2020 11: 20 New
    -6
    Quote: dzvero
    So friday smile
    And apparently some "missiles slowly float away" are understood literally. Although what is not mentioned about fins is already good smile

    Knowledge level! I had a course on ballistics. To knock it down in the first minutes is like taking candy from a baby. If you want to debate, do a little research on how the rocket will move, where the fighter will be. Finding cruise missiles is not an easy task. And even after detection, there is no certainty that it is a cruise missile. False targets are detected every day, but I have not heard that America has already been destroyed. Why would this be at hour X?
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 25 September 2020 11: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: imobile2008
      I had a course on ballistics. To knock it down in the first minutes is like taking candy from a baby.


      You didn't have a ballistics course. In 5 minutes after the launch, the rocket (ICBM) will be already in orbit. But I'm more interested in another question ... where will the enemy's killer come from in the launch area?
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 25 September 2020 15: 38 New
        -7
        A fighter is unlikely, but a UAV can.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 25 September 2020 15: 40 New
          +5
          Where's the UAV from? He, in fact, first needs to fly, and then he needs to slip through the air defense. Not to mention the fact that now there is no UAV that can shoot down anything on their own.
        2. nerovnayadoroga
          nerovnayadoroga 25 September 2020 21: 50 New
          +1
          It's good to poison jokes, I'm tired of reading these jokes, my stomach hurts!
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 25 September 2020 19: 03 New
        -1
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Quote: imobile2008
        I had a course on ballistics. To knock it down in the first minutes is like taking candy from a baby.


        You didn't have a ballistics course. In 5 minutes after the launch, the rocket (ICBM) will be already in orbit. But I'm more interested in another question ... where will the enemy's killer come from in the launch area?


        Fighters are on the conscience of the one who wrote about them, but missiles from Poland, Romania, and from Berkov in the Baltic and the North and Barents Seas will perfectly reach ICBMs taking off ...
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 25 September 2020 19: 11 New
          0
          Quote: SovAr238A
          missiles from Poland, Romania, and from Berkov in the Baltic and the North and Barents Seas will perfectly reach ICBMs taking off ...


          Calculate how much a rocket from Romania or Poland will fly to the launch site in the conditional Middle Urals. During this time, the ICBM "bus" has already been unloaded in space.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 25 September 2020 19: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Quote: SovAr238A
            missiles from Poland, Romania, and from Berkov in the Baltic and the North and Barents Seas will perfectly reach ICBMs taking off ...


            Calculate how much a rocket from Romania or Poland will fly to the launch site in the conditional Middle Urals. During this time, the ICBM "bus" has already been unloaded in space.


            You are clearly from another planet, as alternatively gifted as the Operator ...

            Look and don't speak. what have not seen ...

            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 25 September 2020 19: 21 New
              +2
              Alternatively gifted here you are. Because even on your map, most of the ICBM positions are out of reach. Including the Middle Urals. Not to mention, drawing a blue circle doesn't take much mind.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 25 September 2020 19: 51 New
                -1
                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                Alternatively gifted here you are. Because even on your map, most of the ICBM positions are out of reach. Including the Middle Urals. Not to mention, drawing a blue circle doesn't take much mind.


                I regularly visit the Middle Urals ...
                Are there our Strategic Missile Forces there?
                Only 27 Yars in Verkhnyaya Salda?
                Total...
                All prepared sites for the launch of Yarsov in the zone 8 kilometers north of the Svobodny closed city near the upper Salda.
                And all ...

                All other areas where the Strategic Missile Forces are based have nothing to do with the Middle Urals.

                Dombarovsky, 5 kilometers north of the city of Yasny in the Orenburg region - is it the Middle Urals?
                Tatishchevsky, which is 2 kilometers south of the Svetly town settlement, which is 30 kilometers from Saratov - is it the Middle Urals?

                Or is Teikovo in the Ivanovo region also the Middle Urals?
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 25 September 2020 20: 33 New
                  +2
                  Take a closer look at your map.
          2. Operator
            Operator 25 September 2020 19: 41 New
            -3
            Over those areas where American interceptor missiles (including those based in Romania and Poland) reach Russian ICBMs in the active section of the trajectory, advanced high-altitude explosions of Iskander nuclear warheads will be made, which will block the ground and surface radars of the advanced American missile defense with an electromagnetic pulse - cheap and cheerful ...
      3. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 26 September 2020 03: 05 New
        -1
        how where? they will be tied with scotch tape to the trident, and even those, along flat trajectories, will deliver them to the ICBMs that start in the first gear
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 25 September 2020 18: 49 New
      -3
      One question, how does an enemy fighter end up near a missile silo?
  • iouris
    iouris 25 September 2020 11: 29 New
    -2
    The enemy formulates the question approximately, which seven objects in the Russian Federation are enough to destroy for everything to completely stop?
  • AML
    AML 25 September 2020 15: 14 New
    0
    Quote: vic02
    This is of course true, but there can be many options for events, so there is only one question - when, at what stage of US aggressive actions are you ready to press the button?


    Here the general sits and thinks - to press the button or not. It seems that his family is covered here, but he has a house in the states and accounts with dough. And the sick person suffers and cannot make a decision.

    I just think that after his family is covered, you still have to use force to keep him from pressing. And he will not care about the Americans and the Chinese with the Ethiopians and Gazprom's. The war will quickly put everything in its place.

    And personally, even now I can give it, since I am a kind person and not greedy.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 25 September 2020 15: 42 New
      0
      Quote: AML
      Personally, I can still give it, since I am a kind person and not greedy.


      ... and don't value your life smile
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 25 September 2020 19: 05 New
      0
      Quote: AML

      And personally, even now I can give it, since I am a kind person and not greedy.


      Your maximum pressure is the toilet ...
      the limit of your strengths and capabilities ..

      And close your eyes ...
  • AML
    AML 25 September 2020 16: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Eye of the Crying
    Quote: AML
    Personally, I can still give it, since I am a kind person and not greedy.


    ... and don't value your life smile


    Why not. Although there is nothing to hide, I have seen a lot, perhaps even more than necessary :)
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 25 September 2020 19: 13 New
      0
      Quote: AML
      I've seen a lot, maybe even more than necessary :)


      Oh yeah. You can die.
      1. AML
        AML 25 September 2020 19: 44 New
        0
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Quote: AML

        And personally, even now I can give it, since I am a kind person and not greedy.


        Your maximum pressure is the toilet ...
        the limit of your strengths and capabilities ..

        And close your eyes ...


        If this is enough to wash off people like you, then this is quite enough for me. I said that I am not a greedy person.
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 25 September 2020 17: 20 New
    -3
    To defend the USSR from the North, TWO separate air defense armies of the country were created, especially the powerful and the 10th Red Banner Air Defense Army.
    She was criminally destroyed in the 90s.
    The perpetrators are still unpunished and at large.
    The revival must begin with the trial of the enemies who opened the country for a strike from the North and their strictest public punishment.
    .
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 25 September 2020 23: 53 New
      0
      In Soviet times, the effectiveness of air defense against the CD was estimated at no higher than 50%.
      1. RoTTor
        RoTTor 26 September 2020 16: 30 New
        0
        Therefore, in the North there was an ESCHELONED air defense system, practically impassable for the aggressor. + separate missile defense systems, subordinate not to the Air Defense Army, but directly to Moscow.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 25 September 2020 17: 23 New
    -3
    Quote: Eye of the Crying
    Quote: imobile2008
    I had a course on ballistics. To knock it down in the first minutes is like taking candy from a baby.


    You didn't have a ballistics course. In 5 minutes after the launch, the rocket (ICBM) will be already in orbit. But I'm more interested in another question ... where will the enemy's killer come from in the launch area?

    https://topwar.ru/18988-pentagon-ballisticheskie-rakety-nado-sbivat-na-starte.html
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 25 September 2020 18: 55 New
      -2
      It also says that these are only dreams
  • Old26
    Old26 25 September 2020 18: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: Dodikson
    that's why they want to install ZGRS, there will be Sunflowers and Resonance-N.
    well, there is a possibility that the Containers will also be sent to the North

    "Rezrnance-N" will be in the north, it has already been announced. What about Sunflower? It was announced about 4 years ago that they were going to build, and the first in 2016-2017 on Novaya Zemlya, but so far there is a grave silence. "Containers" - there are only one with a 100% guarantee, with a direction to the west-north-west. The second was planned in the Far East, but there is still silence in it. Will they build in the north - KhZ. In addition, do not forget that such radars have a "dead zone" of almost 900 km. This should also be taken into account at the location of the "Containers" (if they suddenly decide to send them to the north

    Quote: Herrr
    In order to hit the JASSM-ER (so to speak, to blow the JASSMers smile ) for objects in Southern Siberia from the northern direction, Lancer needs to go deeper than 1000 km into the airspace of the Russian Federation. Enta JASSM-ER itself, even in the latest version, does not fly further than 1000 km, and more than 2000 km from the coastline of the Arctic to, for example, Novosibirsk. The bird will be tormented by dodging air defense. laughing

    Well, these missiles can strike targets on the coast, such as radar and air defense missile positions. The North does not cover too many air defense systems. For the entire NSR from Murmansk to Kamchatka - 3 air defense divisions. So you shouldn't be doing hats. We must take the problem seriously.

    Quote: Hermit21
    These flights and flights in the Middle East in a subsonic configuration killed the resource of the Lancera glider. They will be written off in 4-5 years

    They were promised to be written off by 2005-2010. However, still in the side. In addition, after a few months, the START-3 period expires and nothing prevents the B-1V from being reconfigured to its original configuration ...

    Quote: imobile2008
    Rockets do not accelerate very quickly at launch. Their fighters are knocking down. And if you consider that most of the launch sites will be destroyed before the start, it is even sadder.

    Where did you get such nonsense, dear? To shoot down ICBMs by planes? Are you serious? OUT for the same old "Poplar" is about 80 seconds. During this time, he manages to rise to an altitude of more than 200 km, what will bring him down there?
    Most ICBM launch sites are PGRK. Finding out where they are at a given moment in time is not a trivial task. Finding stations from the borders of Russia at such a distance that for the most part they will be able to shoot at OVU. And if the blow is delivered with "axes" - then with a 1000% guarantee. So don't talk bullshit (it hurts laughing )
  • Radikal
    Radikal 25 September 2020 20: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Stepych
    The shortest way is through the Arctic.
    It has long been necessary to rebuild the radar.
    Tomahawks may arrive unnoticed, response time may be lost, and it will be too late to intercept them.
    It is noteworthy that until 2013, the military closed this airfield. They took out all the equipment and threw it away.
    You can check google if you don't believe

    What airfield are we talking about? sad
  • Old26
    Old26 25 September 2020 22: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    OUT for the same old "Poplar" is about 80 seconds.

    Sorry, I didn't see the error right away. OUT for "Topol" about 180 seconds
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 25 September 2020 23: 46 New
    0
    Relief bending was laid in the B-1A. The B-1B concept changed in favor of the CD strike.
  • Old26
    Old26 26 September 2020 14: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Pavel57
    Relief bending was laid in the B-1A. The B-1B concept changed in favor of the CD strike.

    Relief bending was also laid in the V-1V. Flight parameters have been reduced. If the maximum on B-1A at high altitude was 2M, then on B-1B it was already 1,25M. The speeds at low altitude are approximately the same, i.e. about 0,85M. Simply conceptually, the B-1A was designed primarily to achieve high speed at high altitude, then the B-1B - a breakthrough to the target at low altitude with high subsonic speed
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 27 September 2020 09: 38 New
    -2
    Quote: Eye of the Crying
    Quote: SovAr238A
    missiles from Poland, Romania, and from Berkov in the Baltic and the North and Barents Seas will perfectly reach ICBMs taking off ...


    Calculate how much a rocket from Romania or Poland will fly to the launch site in the conditional Middle Urals. During this time, the ICBM "bus" has already been unloaded in space.

    If you think that drones will not be able to reach the central part of Russia unnoticed, with which I disagree. Okay. But if anti-missiles are on satellites, then there is no chance. Rockets will fly towards, speed does not matter anymore!
  • g1lex
    g1lex 27 September 2020 18: 04 New
    0
    Quote: vic02
    our vigorous loaf should always be ready for immediate distribution to "addressees"
    This is certainly true, but there can be many options for events, so there is only one question - when, at what stage of US aggressive actions are you ready to press the button? Blocking ports and sea trade routes - ready? Destruction of main gas transmission hubs in Siberia by non-nuclear missile strike - ready?

    You say everything correctly .. Neher twitch .. You just need to push the rolls apart and wait ..
  • va3610
    va3610 29 September 2020 14: 13 New
    0
    The army is not just a kind word, but a very quick deed. This is how we won all wars. While the enemy is drawing maps of the offensive, we change the landscapes, and manually. When the time comes for the attack, the enemy is lost in unfamiliar terrain and comes to full non-readiness. This is the point, this is our strategy.
  • Outsider
    Outsider 1 October 2020 01: 49 New
    -1
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: viktor_ui
    And the underlying surface will give an extra chance to survive for the pilots of the strategist when working with air defense.

    Signor, you lowered the strategist to the level of a stormtrooper!
    The strategist is the essence of a platform with the goal of delivering weapons (KRBD) to the task completion line - the launch line of the KRBD. It is not his task to enter the air defense zone.

    - Of course, this is not the task of the Tu-160 and Tu-95MS, simply because they do not shmog. This is task B-52, B-1B and B-2. In the future - B-21.
    The danger for our 160M2 lies in the MPRO / Air Defense - Aegis on Berks and IA with AVU. Therefore, in order to "fly" the strategists along a given route, within the framework of inflicting RAU / RNU with the adversary, the fleet will carry out an operation to clear the corridor from Berkov and AVU with IA. But first, the MRA (in the 22M3M version with the x-32 or 22) will pass together with the submarine through our friends at the air defense / anti-aircraft defense lines. It is not realistic to fight alone now: vultures will peck to death. (This is to the question "Why do we need aviki?")

    - You just need to buy a lip-rolling machine first. And only then begin to consistently destroy all AUG ... laughing lol
    As for the title of the article.
    "Strike from the north with the expectation of the mode of enveloping the terrain" - nonsense!

    - The untold truth ...
    Author, look at the map of our Arctic! ("backwoods", as we joked in our youth!) - the tundra without end and edge! ... what, nafig, "relief?" The table is the table!

    - It is very convenient ... But then in Eastern Siberia the relief is already quite rugged ...
    And the AGM-109A Axes (so that 158 ​​vehicles immediately target objects? Without suppressing air defense / missile defense ... I have little faith.

    - And Russia has no air defense or missile defense there ... Taiga - hills, hills - taiga ... Wilderness ... NO ROADS.
    For air defense / missile defense - yes. To do this, they, in fact, were sculpted like a scalpel against our air defense missile systems) you need to "catch on" for something on the ground. It is these "areas of correction" that should be stuck around the air defense system of all radii.

    - What areas of correction, eccentric ?! All corrections are performed today by GPS.
    Because satellites and GPS will plug our electronic warfare or S-500 (which, according to whales, have already knocked meteorites!).

    - No, 30 thousand kilometers up - only on the trampoline with Dmitry Rogozin! S-500 - will not finish! laughing
    The old reliable tool will remain - Terkom. And he needs reference points to determine his place ... and to correct the course.

    - Well, do not be ridiculous, what "grater"? It was 40 years ago. There is no trace of it in modern CD ...
    But 6 of them are taken by our MiG-31BM, simultaneously firing at 4 of the most "delicious" ones.

    - Where can you get so many MiG-31BMs in the area of ​​Novokuznetsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, Ulan-Ude, Khabarovsk? Where should they take off?
    And the Lancers will not climb into our territory, well, if only through Krajina, which, according to media reports, signed a separate agreement with the Yankees on joint "protection" from evil m-osk-lei.

    Even B-52s will climb across the North Pole, not just B-1Bs. And from Ukraine - their targets will be on the European part of Russia - there is enough range.
    Therefore, the state 52Ns flew to the Crimea from the side of the Square ...

    - Right.