Doubtful panacea: domestic drug for COVID-19 is already on sale

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Source: znak.com

Critical remarks


The general information background around the appearance of the first drugs for coronavirus on sale can be divided into two main lines: the tablets are too expensive and extremely unsafe. One cannot but agree with the first statement: it is still very ugly to profit from a frightened population, starting a business literally on blood.

The maximum price of 12320 rubles announced for the anti-coronavirus drug Areplivir is so high due to the huge costs of the pharmaceutical company GK Promomed. According to the company's managers, they spent over 692 million rubles on the development of the drug. And for the fastest return of costs, they posted such an inhuman price tag.



The simplest calculation gives us 56 thousand packages of Areplivit, which must be sold in order to recoup the lion's share of the costs. Taking into account the phenomenal demand abroad (as the manufacturers themselves say) and the expected high demand within the country, it will take a little time for the pharmaceutical company. But then the drug will rise in price (inflation and the dollar exchange rate) and will already bring consistently high profits. The main driver of demand for such drugs is the media, which has recently made a new coronavirus infection a real monster in the eyes of the average man.

In general, the entire moral side of the pricing of domestic drugs for coronavirus remains very doubtful. Questions arise about the regulatory structures from the Russian government. Why not ban the export of drugs from Russia, if, according to the developers, this became the reason for its high cost? Andrey Mladentsev, General Director of the Promomed manufacturing company, explains the price as follows:

Based on the situation, the demand for the drug throughout the world is very high. And it can hardly be too cheap, given the international situation and the epidemiological situation.

Why is the import of cheap European gasoline banned to Russia, taking care of the well-being of oil workers, but it is impossible to ban the export of antioxidants in order to protect the country's citizens? Or all stories about high demand abroad - just bikes to justify the manufacturer's greed?


Source: gazeta.ru

Let's move on to the second news feed, according to which the drugs "Areplivir" and "Coronavir" are almost the causes of congenital malformations and intrauterine mortality. Commentators from dubious Internet publications openly speculate about the high danger of new antikidny drugs, which, however, has already met with the situation with the Sputnik V vaccine. And here there are serious discrepancies with the objective medical reality. Commoners and "professional" journalists were very much embarrassed by the use of favipiravir as the main active agent. This is the so-called generic, the patent for the formula of which and the right to manufacture does not belong to any company in the world, it can be freely used by anyone. Only now no one discloses the technology for the synthesis of the original drug, and pharmacists often have to invest considerable funds in an independent search for a production method. Incidentally, this is also blamed for the excessively high cost of Areplivir and Coronavir.


Source: ria.ru

With the general lag of domestic pharmacology behind world standards, it is quite possible to believe in the need for such financial injections. Do not forget that 100% of the equipment for production comes from abroad, and the constantly growing exchange rate only adds to the price of the final product. In general, no one in their right mind could have imagined such a rapid process of developing an anticancer drug from scratch. It is technically impossible, and in Russia, unfortunately, even more so. Who remembers the latest drugs from the ground up? Even the famous antiviral "Arbidol" traces its history back to the 70s of the last century and belongs to the Soviet school of pharmacology. Therefore, the use of imported favipiravir as a basis for Russian novelties is expected and normal. But the hysteria raised around the danger of this chemical is not normal at all.

Mysterious favipiravir


In the medical environment, there is a database of the World Health Organization for monitoring adverse reactions of patients to certain drugs. It is called VigiBase, since 1968 information has been flowing there from 171 countries of the world, which corresponds to 90% of the world's population. As you can see, the structure is serious and operates with very voluminous statistical data. Favipiravir in this story looks like a completely harmless drug. If we compare two six-month periods, from February 15 to August 15, 2019 and similarly to 2020, it turns out that this drug was widely used last year to treat viral infections, and in the current pandemic its use has increased abruptly. This is for commentators who call favipiravir "banned in the US and Japan." Although, of course, before the coronavirus pandemic, the drug was not so widely used.

We go further by comparing the proposed periods of use of favipiravir. Last year, only 3 adverse reactions of patients to this drug were recorded, and the six-month period of 2020 is already 83. Pharmacists do not know exactly how many times the global consumption of favipiravir has increased, but clearly, several dozen times. And only 83 registered adverse reactions. If we talk about serious adverse reactions, then from 2019 to 2020 their number increased from 2 to 19. The main cause of severe complications is the incorrect use of the drug, and only in 6 cases did favipiravir negatively affect the liver of patients. There is no question of any teratogenic effect (initiation of deformities in intrauterine development). At the same time, only 2 patients died during the six months of favipiravir therapy. Doctors are very restrained in saying that the death of two people in the Czech Republic and Kenya occurred while taking the drug for hypotension. At the same time, it is especially emphasized that at the same time the patients were treated with four more antiviral drugs. This is such a shaky evidence base for pharmacists. And most importantly, mortality from favipiravir in six months of 2020 did indeed increase by 200%: in 2019, zero patients died from the drug. For comparison, the drug hydroxychloroquine, also used to treat COVID-19, claimed 2020 lives in 159, three times more than a year earlier. And he had more than 4,5 thousand undesirable reactions. The tandem of lopanavir with ritonavir showed itself not much better. What conclusion can be drawn from this story? First of all, no one in the world has refused to use the drug favipiravir, and it is quite officially used against coronavirus. By the way, doctors advise with caution the use of the drug for people suffering from gout. Of the 32 drugs used to treat COVID-19 and related diseases, only favipiravir with dabigatran has no major contraindications. As well as serious indications for COVID-19 therapy.


Source: rbk.ru

If favipiravir does not harm the body, then it does not treat the coronavirus as aggressively as we would like. In March 2020, preliminary results were presented from a study that included 240 COVID-19 patients who received favipiravir or arbidol. The frequency of clinical recovery by the seventh day of treatment did not differ significantly between the groups (61,2% in the favipiravir group and 51,67% in the arbidol group). The benefit of using favipiravir was a slightly faster fever and less cough. As a result, the researchers concluded that there was no significant difference in the clinical efficacy of arbidol and favipiravir in patients with COVID-19 for 7 days.

There is no information about whether similar studies were carried out in Russia before the launch of the drugs Areplivir and Coronavir. Obviously, domestic pharmacologists had to choose the safest for the human body from a meager set of not the most effective drugs.
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  1. +42
    24 September 2020 05: 20
    "Oh! About healing, Christian Ivanovich and I took our own measures: the closer to nature, the better - we do not use expensive medicines. A simple man: if he dies, he will die anyway; if he recovers, then he will get well."
    N.V. Gogol. "The Inspector General"
    1. +28
      24 September 2020 05: 38
      Quote: Pessimist22
      "Oh! About healing, Christian Ivanovich and I took our own measures:

      You have not fully disclosed the essence of the phenomenon:
      Ever since I took over the bossesmaybe it will even seem incredible to you, everyone is recovering like flies. The patient does not have time to enter the infirmary, as he is already healthy, and not so much medicine as honesty and order.

      N.V. Gogol.
      laughing
      1. +9
        24 September 2020 05: 42
        Yeah, the classics don't get old with us smile
        1. +29
          24 September 2020 07: 27
          Meet. A successful person who managed to successfully fit into the business, Andrey Mladentsev, a figure from the Russian pharmaceutical industry, pushes an analogue of cheap Arbidol, for 12 thousand rubles.



          That is why, when buying drugs, many prefer imported analogues, so God forbid not to run into bullshit from some Andrei Mladentsev.
          1. +24
            24 September 2020 08: 03


            The fact that the cost of generics is very low compared to originals, Andrei Mladentsev, learned this very well. But if Indians sell their generics ten times cheaper than the original, then Andrei does the opposite. This is the key feature and corporate identity.
            1. +48
              24 September 2020 09: 05
              Make way! I rode a hundred miles looking for this man! Only his tincture helped my poor, beloved grandmother. Thanks to her, she got rid of seventeen incurable diseases and died completely healthy. (C)
              1. +5
                24 September 2020 11: 04
                Dr. Wov-Hu?
              2. +10
                24 September 2020 13: 54
                Quote: parusnik
                Make way! I rode a hundred miles looking for this man! Only his tincture helped my poor, beloved grandmother. Thanks to her, she got rid of seventeen incurable diseases and died completely healthy. (C)

                Yes, O. Henry looked into the water when he wrote "The Trust That Burst" ...
          2. +7
            24 September 2020 08: 06
            And in vain they do that they buy imports: there are more chances to run into a fake. In Russia and not only there is a whole network of pharmacies that sells counterfeit well-known brands. In addition, there are drugs that have been far less tested than the notorious covid vaccine. My father-in-law worked in one of the oldest Russian pharmaceutical institutes, which has now been reassigned to the medical one with all the ensuing consequences. At the Department of Pharmacognosy, they tested some drugs for themselves, and made disappointing conclusions, after which they "left". It was in the 90s, but I don't think anything has changed.
          3. -2
            25 September 2020 06: 22
            and those who give preference to imported analogues will overpower the price of 2.5 thousand dollars for a 5-day course?
    2. +4
      24 September 2020 06: 16
      Christian Ivanovich and I took our own measures: the closer to nature, the better

      About folk remedies.
      Scientists from the Shanghai Pharmacological Institute of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Wuhan Institute of Virology have discovered that a Chinese medicine called the elixir Shuang Huang Lian, whose active ingredient is Japanese honeysuckle, can contain the coronavirus. They even delivered it to Italy as humanitarian aid.
      https://ria.ru/20200131/1564124501.html
      The antiviral effect of Japanese honeysuckle has been confirmed by Vector.
      http://orthilia.ru/index.php?topic_view=10
      And not just them.
      https://www.gazeta.ru/science/news/2020/05/06/n_14387587.shtml
      1. +1
        25 September 2020 14: 10
        Quote: riwas
        the active ingredient of which is Japanese honeysuckle, can contain the coronavirus.

        there are real scientific works that prove the antiviral effect of watermelons. Not a single cancer patient has been cured with watermelons. smile
        The only remedy that directly affects the virus is antibodies produced in the body of sick and vaccinated people. Antibodies or immunoglobulins can be grown on artificial cell cultures. Only in the case of COVID is there a massive dullness
    3. +20
      24 September 2020 06: 33
      Tufta is a medicine - a generic of a Japanese drug with a dubious side effect and an overpriced price. In India, analogues are five times cheaper. Friends upstairs need money, that's all.
      1. -25
        24 September 2020 06: 45
        Quote: Deniska999
        In India, analogues are five times cheaper.

        You, Deniska, are a great pharmacist. And tell us, Deniska, what is the problem with covid in India, given the availability of cheap and affordable drugs?
        Don't muddy the waters, Denisk's brother (although you are not my brother).
        1. +35
          24 September 2020 07: 04
          The mantra “don't rock the boat” was used. Well, you can also charge a can of water before Vesti 24. You look, you will open a new vaccine.
          1. -30
            24 September 2020 07: 11
            What does the mantra have to do with who you are and that you are obvious, it may not have been worth contacting, but the hand itself reached out for the fly swatter
          2. +14
            24 September 2020 11: 58
            No, it must be put before Solovyov's performance
    4. +2
      24 September 2020 11: 13
      Quote: Pessimist22
      "Oh! About healing, Christian Ivanovich and I took our own measures: the closer to nature, the better - we do not use expensive medicines. A simple man: if he dies, he will die anyway; if he recovers, then he will get well."
      N.V. Gogol. "The Inspector General"

  2. +22
    24 September 2020 05: 21
    Dubious panacea:
    Like the pandemic itself ... Look, in Belarus, and the parade was held and now the protesters hang out and there is no pandemic ... Is Bulba saving?
    1. +19
      24 September 2020 05: 33
      in Belarus and the parade was held and now the protesters hang out and there is no pandemic ... Bulba saves?
      It is unlikely that bulba))) In Khabar, too, the number of infected people has been declining since the end of July, now at around 70 + it has stabilized.
      it is very ugly to profit from a frightened population, starting a business literally on blood
      Bgg! Who cared about it and when? How much did the muzzle masks rise in price? What is interesting - the measures are canceled, and the masked redhead - nifiga, denyuzhka is dripping! So it is with these pharmaceutical panaceas. Costs will be beaten off, but the price tag will hardly be reduced - why are they, goons, tunnels, to cut off the financial flow for themselves? In short, capitalism, his mother, in all its unsightly essence.
      1. +11
        24 September 2020 05: 38
        Quote: Dalny V
        Hardly a bulb
        This is me kidding ... And in the DPRK -ris? And here are the official statistics:
        As of September 24, 2020, 0 cases of Covid-19 coronavirus infection were recorded in North Korea. Over the past day, the number of infected has not changed.
        1. +8
          24 September 2020 05: 44
          And in the DPRK -ris?
          Of course, fig. And in Vietnam, rice. And in China, judging by how quickly they stopped the outbreak, rice too. There is something in their SEA-rice that we, gaijins, cannot comprehend. East, adnaka, it's a delicate matter!
          1. +3
            24 September 2020 08: 32
            In these countries, a slightly different approach to the problem of government and population. The task is given - it is necessary to complete, and completed. I don’t want to, but I won’t, but I have the right to ... infect. In the states, maybe evil tongues wrote, organized covid parties: one fell ill and gathers friends to check immunity. The project participants know this and go for extreme sports. In general, this should be viewed as a biological war in which countries are suffering real losses. It goes on without bombing, shelling, loss of territory, but with real casualties. The number of infected is disabled, the dead are irrecoverable losses. In China, the streets were cultivated. In Baku, by the way, they also did it several times in the summer. This is where the scope for the actions of the RBHZ units is: processing of subway and railway cars, buses, electric transport, streets, etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but Russia's losses are already dragging on a full-fledged division. According to world statistics, one can judge who is ready for such a war.
        2. +10
          24 September 2020 07: 58
          Greetings, Vladimir Vladimirovich! hi DPRK? Speak? And no one went to rest over the hill and did not return from there. That's what. And foreigners did not enter. That's ------ 0
          1. +3
            24 September 2020 10: 23
            Dmitriy hi Below, Gardamir has highlighted the reason = 0
            1. +3
              24 September 2020 10: 30
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Dmitriy hi Below, Gardamir has highlighted the reason = 0

              Aha! Where the plants are thick wassat , liberation --- there is a virus. And where they are not there - the virus has no passage ... And if you extend the logical chain, it turns out that? wassat lol
              1. +1
                24 September 2020 10: 35
                Quote: Reptiloid
                it turns out that?

                And then it will work out! (Thought about) good
                1. +4
                  24 September 2020 11: 16
                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  it turns out that?

                  And then it will work out! (Thought about) good

                  Liberation negative there is a reason for kavid
        3. +6
          24 September 2020 07: 59
          0 cases of infection
          Duck they have this totalism. They banned the covid from entering the country. And in a democracy, everyone is dragging into the country. wink
      2. +15
        24 September 2020 06: 07
        Quote: Dalny V
        What is interesting - the measures are canceled, and the masked redhead - nifiga, denyuzhka is dripping!

        How can you cancel mask mode? From Denis Darmidontovich, my son bought a line for the production of these masks, and you say they will cancel. not in a godly way ... laughing laughing laughing hi
        1. +9
          24 September 2020 09: 08
          Is there a coronavirus?
          Yes, there is. Not so long ago I had a chance to mention that a friend from Sochi contracted the infection from a neighbor, she died, the acquaintance urgently passed the test - covid! After the allotted time, a second test was carried out, it was confirmed, but they were expelled from the hospital - the bed capacity is limited, the boss ordered to go to work, went out, infected a colleague, she went to the hospital - the cycle of patients in nature. A friend's condition worsens every day, medications do not help, not poor - any are available, a child spreads the virus through school ...
          Medicine!
          "Areplivir" is just a generic of the Japanese "Avigan", the harm from which is moderate, the benefits have not been proven. On the creation of the formula, Promomed did not spend a single ruble, only on reproduction. Or maybe he bought a batch, loosened it up with chalk and sugar, as is customary with us even with our once strong developments, and now let it into pharmacies - buy, do not be afraid, the psychological conviction of usefulness has a powerful therapeutic effect!
          It can be assumed that there is no cure for covid. But the rich will buy Areplevir. The poor, even if psychological help in the form of 40 tablets for 12 will not be provided. The poor are the majority of the Soviets, pensioners, help is not available. Die out, the government says to them, we are tired of you worse than a bitter radish with your eternal cries about some kind of justice of life, there is none, forget it!
          People seem to agree with that. Do not worry, they say bitterly, we will die out, for we have no sleeping bunkers ...
          In my village, I wear a mask alone. Even the sellers at the checkout counters lowered them under the chin and through gloves, touching money, and then goods, spreading any types of infection, because the goods have already been touched by the sick ... Either despair, or resignation to fate. Against the background of the growing second wave.

          Onishchenko about Areplevir:
          "The drug is a repetition - better or worse, but a repetition of already existing substances, and it is impossible to say that it was invented from the beginning. Of course, our manufacturers should be more modest."
          This is it about the sky-high price.

          I wash the products I brought from the store with soap, I disinfect the key, I wash the floors, I put the products on "sucks", I use them after three days. While some are defending, I use "slop", however, it is possible without quotes. I don't believe it can be avoided if it touches.
          1. -2
            24 September 2020 13: 27
            in Sochi, now there is a difficult situation with covid, a lot of people began to die every day, this did not happen even in the spring, but about the food you got excited, the virus only lives outside the body for a few hours
            1. +3
              24 September 2020 14: 10
              Nastya, thanks for prompting))
              I got tired of avoiding infection. And we have the dead. I hear conversations: he died of a covid, this one, maybe from something else, but now they say so. And about unemployment: they are looking, no one can find a job, but somehow they speak indifferently, the sin of despondency, autumn depression. Whoever has plots with houses, everything is there - while it's warm))
              1. -4
                24 September 2020 15: 46
                how to avoid if everyone is scored on masks, a massive crowd around, hope only for luck, in Sochi you can't find a job ????
                1. +3
                  24 September 2020 16: 48
                  Nastya, I'm not in Sochi, I live in the Moscow region)))
                  1. -3
                    24 September 2020 16: 49
                    there is no work in the Moscow region?))))
                    1. +2
                      24 September 2020 16: 51
                      Apparently not. At least in my village.
                      1. -3
                        24 September 2020 18: 36
                        In the villages, there is no
      3. +11
        24 September 2020 14: 37
        And what does capitalism have to do with it? In Europe, the USA, Israel, too, capitalism, and they live much better. Maybe the problem is not in the system, but in the elites? Yes, there they are also dragging, but within reason, and there are enough people. And we have only ourselves. And name me at least one official or businessman who has children and a wife in Russia? And the capital is also kept with us? Ours have the whole family and real estate abroad. And the conversation about patriotism and so on for the cattle to sit and keep quiet.
  3. +21
    24 September 2020 05: 28
    In general, the entire moral side of the pricing of domestic drugs for coronavirus remains very doubtful.

    There is no place for morality in business, there is only place for profit ... Russian business in this regard is not much different from business in the United States and the price tag of 12320 rubles is only 205 US dollars ... a modest figure smile for the average American and the monthly salary for a cleaning lady in Russia.
    1. +17
      24 September 2020 05: 47
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      There is no place for morality in business, there is only place for profit ...

      Previously, this phenomenon was called speculation, the essence of which is: buy cheap, sell high.
      I am very worried about the name of the author - Evgeny Fedorov.
      How to take an article as a splash of criticism or bile?
      The very topic of creating an effective drug against COVID-19 in Russia, where patients choose clinics in the USA, Israel, Germany and other countries for effective treatment, is highly questionable.
      Maybe someone will say why parents have to collect 15 rubles to save their child, and only 000 rubles need to be paid to save them from the deadly virus:
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      that's just $ 205 ... a modest figure for the average American and a monthly salary for a cleaning lady in Russia ...

      or just 190 rubles above the minimum wage ... belay
      1. +19
        24 September 2020 05: 51
        Maybe someone will tell you why parents should collect 15 rubles to save their child

        I am constantly annoyed by this situation ... according to the media they are constantly trying to say that our medicine is available to everyone and at the same time parents are constantly collecting tens of millions of rubles for the treatment of the child ... all this.
        1. +19
          24 September 2020 06: 03
          It is not the parents who collect it; it is the funds that are raised. And not sickly live on this actually pyramid. Look how much a minute of TV air costs. But there are also not altruists sitting there. And these videos about sick children are well paid, and also from the collected money. You can find the address of any fund yourself and at the height of the working day just drive up to the building and see what cars are there ...
          1. +11
            24 September 2020 07: 15
            It is not the parents who collect it; it is the funds that are raised. And not sickly live on this actually pyramid.

            Also a business ... on deceiving people ... using a still sick child ... how disgusting it all ... no words.
          2. +15
            24 September 2020 08: 03
            By the way, I naively thought a year ago that a charitable foundation is such an organization in which angels in the flesh gathered, quivering souls who cannot eat, cannot sleep and cannot live on at all, if they do not help one or this orphan, wretched, unhappy and very sick.
            That's how I thought, reading about the fund for helping the sick, it seems like cerebral palsy, created by Natalia Vodianova, our super-model (her sister is sick, so the fund is in the subject). But, as always, a discussion started, and, as always, an expert was found who told in detail that a charitable foundation for its founders is an extremely profitable enterprise. None of the organizers invest their money in helping those in need.
            And it happens like this.
            It is no coincidence, but after finding out who will be, and even ordering the appearance of the right people, a charitable social event is going to - a party to which the rich come who want to either advertise or launder money, as well as all sorts of people who are useful to them, and all this gathering of very different, often in real life, layers of the population that do not overlap with each other so as not to arouse suspicion of crime among journalists with subsequent investigation - this gathering at a charity party fearlessly establishes the necessary corruption ties within itself, along the way thanks to the owners of the fund with checks for the provided possibility. And the owners then include 90% of the donations in the report on the cost of organizing the party, although the event cost, perhaps, 10 percent of the contribution. It's like the US Army was buying hammers for $ 20.

            And if you see that the foundation proudly published: “We have collected so much!”, You should not shed tears of emotion. This is just a small part of what was collected, the rest - for feeding the owners of the fund.
            And in this connection, I suddenly vaguely recalled the scandals with funds organized by "beautiful liberal elves" directly in Russia.
            I believe that most of those present have known all this for a long time. Until recently, it was not known to me. After rummaging around on the Internet, I finally became firmly convinced that there is nothing that cannot be a commodity for a person with a liberal way of thinking.
        2. +1
          25 September 2020 15: 02
          and at the same time, parents are constantly collecting tens of millions of rubles for the treatment of their child.
          No templates. This is called the CONDITIONS OF EXISTENCE, which are artificially impaired to reduce the population. The nuts are twisting and we are dying out.
    2. 0
      24 September 2020 09: 42
      Honestly, where is the pricing here?
      The author simply says that 12 thousand is very expensive. But this is bullshit! We do not know the cost of this drug. Maybe she's just about 12 thousand?
      Now, if the author had given a complete breakdown of the cost of the drug and it would have turned out to be 400 rubles, then yes. I would have the right to call these manufacturers bloodsuckers.
      But the cost is unknown to the author.
      So why does he run into manufacturers?
      1. +3
        24 September 2020 11: 51
        I agree. Until they got banned in Google, I looked at the prices of the active substance (favipiravir):
        https://www.molport.com/shop/moleculelink/6-fluoro-3-hydroxypyrazine-2-carboxamide/23222588
        A gram in the West costs about 200 USD; 5 grams - for 800 USD. True, chemically pure, plus taxes, etc. If yours have established their own production, then the cost price should be somewhere around $ 50 maximum per gram. In this case, the production of a package with 10 tablets (approximately 2 grams of active substance) will be ~ $ 100. The total cost is approximately up to 120 USD (research, permits, etc.). We remove taxes from the retail price and get profit for the company and intermediaries. This is for 10 tablets; but if the price is 200 USD for a container with 40 tablets, then the mark-up is not that big even at a cost price of 25-30 dollars per gram.
        1. +3
          24 September 2020 15: 16
          In pills, milligrams.
          1. +1
            24 September 2020 15: 30
            200 milligrams if you believe what is written on the package. Ten tablets are two grams. At forty - eight grams. If the price is 12000r. for 40 tablets, the cost of flaviparvir is at the level of 10-15 USD per gram. In this case (and indeed) this is not a sky-high price, but low income am
  4. +16
    24 September 2020 05: 56
    After reading the instructions, I will tell you from personal experience. A dummy, not a medicine. It says to take in the first 24 hours after the onset of the disease. So, as I saw and know, at first everyone tried to heal on their own, brought down the temperature, drank some pills, but when it stopped helping, they went to the doctors. They did a test there, it took another 2-3 days to get the results, in total about 7-10 days, to understand that they had a crown. From April to July I was at the Pole and went through all this myself. So it's already useless to drink it, and even for that kind of money. Take care of your nerves, keep your immunity normal and wake up healthy !!!
  5. sen
    +14
    24 September 2020 06: 01
    Experts note that the active ingredient of the new drug - that is, favipiravir itself - is very similar to the well-known drug for tuberculosis - pyrazinamide, which costs less than 150 rubles per pack of hundreds of tablets.
    Member of the State Duma Committee on Information Policy, Information Technology and Communications Maxim Kudryavtsev demanded that the Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) check the price of a coronavirus drug called Areplivir. He told about this on the air of the radio station "Moscow speaking" on Monday, September 21.
    President of the All-Russian public organization "League of Patients' Defenders" Alexander Saversky explained the price of the drug briefly: "The price is connected with greed."
    1. +7
      24 September 2020 07: 20
      Quote: sen
      favipiravir - very similar to the well-known tuberculosis remedy - pyrazinamide, which costs less than 150 rubles per pack

      So it is common. On the showcase are preparations of 500 and 1000+, and analogues for 25 rubles are locked in lockers and if there is no recipe or you do not know the name, they will put in something that is more expensive. The health of the nation? Business and nothing personal. And various outbreaks of "animal flu" and scary viruses only spur such sales. The crown is generally a gift for trying to turn seasonal sales growth into permanent profit growth.
      1. -1
        27 September 2020 21: 57
        And the pharmacies always offer me cheap options.
  6. +8
    24 September 2020 06: 07
    In the state foolishness and the like, he sipped to vaccinate polls ... what the hell is not kidding - brains can be added in half with a conscience wassat
  7. +6
    24 September 2020 06: 13
    "According to the company's managers, they spent more than 692 million rubles on the development of the drug. And they posted such an inhumane price tag to recover the costs as soon as possible."
    Choi is again not clear - Favipiravir, the active substance of this same Areplivir in Japan, it seems, appeared in 2002? And the medicine in America, moreover 6 years ago .. And a side effect there .... So - what did they "develop" there? Did you order the packaging design for A. Lebedev?
  8. -17
    24 September 2020 06: 16
    There is a medicine - and good. At least there is a greater chance that they will be pumped out in the hospital (they will be fed there for free). And in the case of home treatment, if cho, the bulk of the money will be found not to the detriment of the budget. And the desire of some comrades to keep his supplies at home like aspirin and mustard plasters is the cost of the mentality developed in Soviet times, when some tried to create an annual supply of food and soap at home ...
    1. sen
      +4
      24 September 2020 06: 27
      At least there is a greater chance that they will be pumped out in the hospital (they will be fed there for free).

      The peculiarity of favipiravir is that it helps only at an early stage of the disease. Until the tests are done and you get to the hospital, time will be lost.
      1. -2
        24 September 2020 06: 35
        Well then, there is no chance at all, the early stage is very difficult to determine in time. Although I listened to an interview with the creator of the drug - he says that it helps at any stage, it's just better if it's done earlier.
        1. -2
          24 September 2020 07: 02
          The drug AREPLIVIR is prescribed in a hospital setting.
          so home supplies are not needed.
          1. sen
            +2
            24 September 2020 09: 49
            Although I listened to an interview with the creator of the drug - he says that it helps at any stage

            "Analysis of the data from the second and third phases of clinical trials, as well as data from the first month of hospital use of the drug, suggests that Avifavir shows the best results when used at the very beginning of the disease and at the middle stage of the disease. In this regard, we turned to the Ministry Healthcare with a request to allow the use of "Avivavir" on an outpatient basis by those patients who carry coronavirus infection at home. "
            https://tass.ru/obschestvo/8917243
        2. -4
          24 September 2020 13: 29
          difficult? if you feel unwell do the test right away
  9. +19
    24 September 2020 06: 20
    The government allocated 1,689 billion rubles. The Office of the President on the fight against coronavirus. The corresponding order has been published on the official portal of legal information.
    The funds will go to measures against coronavirus infection, including providing medical assistance to people served by the organization in accordance with a presidential decree.
    The manager must submit a report to the government on the expenditure of funds by February 1, 2021.


    You see how touchingly our government takes care of our President.
    At the same time, prices for masks in the first days of self-isolation (the word is what!) Jumped tenfold.
    Ordinary people still remain extreme for all the freaks in our country, i.e. we are with you.
    And the Gamaleya Center received, if memory serves, 500 billion rubles from the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Industry and Trade for the "fight".
    Those. they gave us money from the state, at a minimum interest, and they will pay off us to the maximum.
  10. +19
    24 September 2020 06: 22
    We have a strange logic, the UN GDP offers to vaccinate them free of charge, and our mortals with a salary of one minimum wage are offered medicine at the same price. It’s like a person should not eat or drink for a month and not pay for an apartment, so what the hell is such a medicine for him, if he can stretch his legs anyway. fellow request belay
    1. +9
      24 September 2020 06: 24
      Quote: Ros 56
      and our mortals with a salary of one minimum wage are offered medicine at the same price.

      For a course of treatment, two minimum wages are needed - 70 tablets, i.e. two packages ..
    2. +18
      24 September 2020 13: 44
      Quote: Ros 56
      It’s like a person should not eat or drink for a month and not pay for an apartment, so what the hell is such a medicine for him, if he can stretch his legs anyway.

      To make Mrs. "arbidol" and the daughter of a friend of friends rich.
      Before you stretch your legs, pay your taxes !!!
  11. +4
    24 September 2020 06: 48
    Such a high price is surprising - this is a generic drug, and not an original drug, it has been known for 20 years, the Japanese developed at one time against influenza and some other viruses, the prices of generics are usually several times lower than the original drugs. How much did it cost in Japan when it was produced by the manufacturer?
    And the second question - how about the effectiveness against Covid19?

    ... In July 2020, after completing a clinical trial on 89 patients, Japanese researchers in an interview reported that they could not detect a therapeutic effect of favipiravir in the treatment of COVID-19 [14].

    If it's a generic, anyone can release it. Release?
  12. +15
    24 September 2020 06: 54
    "According to the company's managers, they spent more than 692 million rubles on the development of the drug" are dubious arguments, given that:
    "1. The molecule is not protected by a patent. Russian manufacturers got it for free.
    2. The research also saved significant money. RDIF said in the spring that since everything in Japan has long been held and everyone knows about security (it is doubtful, but not the point in this case), this makes it possible to greatly speed up and reduce the cost of the appearance of a Russian analogue.
    3. State money has been invested from this very RDIF, that is, it is appropriate to say that the drug was created not to earn stupidly, but with the attraction of public funds for public benefit purposes.
    4. The molecule is simple and very familiar to chemists and manufacturers. There are no difficulties in its production. If it is very rude, then this is a kind (ok, not very kind) but old anti-tuberculosis pyrazinamide (150 rubles for 100 tablets of 500 mg) with the addition of a fluorine atom at the 6th position in the pyrosine aromatic ring. Actually, this simplicity allows unlimited production of the drug at Soviet factories for the production of old Soviet penny drugs like pyrazinamide or first-generation fluoroquinolones (like ciprofloxacin for 50 r 10 tablets). "
    1. +3
      24 September 2020 07: 10
      I've seen all these "vaccinations" at a certain place ...
    2. +4
      24 September 2020 07: 23
      What about the yacht? The yacht has already been ordered to ferry from Dahab! laughing
    3. +1
      24 September 2020 12: 58
      It seems that tuberculosis is a bacterial infection?
  13. +1
    24 September 2020 07: 14
    The statistics and methods of treatment are interesting. After all, even before the appearance of the drug, there were cured of covid. Did they hurt? If they were sick, how were they cured?
  14. +4
    24 September 2020 07: 50
    Quote: Stalllker
    After reading the instructions ...

    For interest, I looked at the instructions - treatment in a hospital, but buy the pills yourself? request
    Official instruction registered by the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation
    special instructions
    The use of the drug CORONAVIR is possible only in inpatient medical care.
    special instructions
    The use of the drug is possible only in inpatient medical care. With the development of side effects, it is necessary to report this in the prescribed manner for the implementation of pharmacovigilance measures. Before starting AREPLIVIR it is necessary to provide written information to the patient about the effectiveness of the drug and the risks associated with its use (including the risk of affecting the embryo and fetus) and obtain written consent to use the drug.
  15. +6
    24 September 2020 08: 12
    Alas, covid has caused hysteria even in a seemingly medical environment. They are trying to treat him with literally everything that comes to hand, even with HIV therapy. Moreover, when Denis Protsenko was asked how HIV therapy, at least in theory, can act on the coronavirus, he honestly said that he did not know. The same can be said, for example, about the United States, where they are trying to treat coronavirus with an anti-malaria drug.

    They hit sparrows like a cannon, maybe something will work, and money drips to producers in any case.

    Specifically for favipiravir, Japanese studies have shown no significant efficacy against covid.

    Let's move on to the second news feed, according to which the drugs "Areplivir" and "Coronavir" are almost the causes of congenital malformations and intrauterine mortality. Commentators from dubious Internet publications openly speculate about the high danger of new antikidny drugs, which, however, has already met with the situation with the Sputnik V vaccine. And here there are serious discrepancies with the objective medical reality.


    From the instructions to Areplivir

    In preclinical studies of favipiravir at doses similar to clinical ones, or at lower doses, embryo death was observed at an early stage and teratogenicity.

    Favipiravir is contraindicated in pregnant women, as well as in men and women during pregnancy planning.

    Before taking favipiravir, it is necessary to provide written information to the patient about the effectiveness of the drug and the risks associated with its use (incl. about the risk of affecting the embryo and fetus) and obtain written consent to use the drug.


    So the medical reality is that the manufacturer himself officially declares an extremely negative effect on the fetus and the incompatibility of the drug with pregnancy and even a planned pregnancy. The author should check the information more carefully.
    1. 0
      24 September 2020 08: 31
      In preclinical studies of favipiravir at doses similar to clinical ones, or at lower doses, early embryo death and teratogenicity were observed.

      This only suggests that the embryos of experimental animals were dying. At the moment, not a single confirmed case of the birth of a sick or dead child in a woman taking favipiravir and drugs based on it has been recorded. After pharmacists have burned themselves on thalidomide, special attention is paid to drugs that can potentially cause deformities. By the way, the usual tetracycline also belongs to the list of teratogens. And vitamin A and streptomycin.
      1. +5
        24 September 2020 08: 58
        This only suggests that the embryos of experimental animals were dying.


        And do you think it is necessary to check this on people and their unborn child ?!

        At the moment, not a single confirmed case of the birth of a sick or dead child in a woman taking favipiravir and drugs based on it has been recorded.


        Naturally, contraindications are observed. The drug is not prescribed for pregnant women, and there are no cases of a sick or dead child being born from favipiravir.

        In any case, none of this is relevant to the question. The manufacturer himself officially, in the instructions, declares the death of the fetus, teratogenicity and pregnancy as contraindications. Dot.

        By the way, the usual tetracycline also belongs to the list of teratogens. And vitamin A and streptomycin.


        About tetracycline in the course, including about tetracycline teeth.
        1. +4
          24 September 2020 09: 43
          I agree with you. At the moment, the prospect of taking Areplivir (Avifavir / Coronavir) is very dubious, because if you take everything that is now known about him:
          is a generic of the Japanese Avigan (Favipiravira), the patent for which expired last year,
          - costs 25 thousand rubles. per course,
          - side effects: "On the part of the blood and lymphatic system: often - neutropenia, leukopenia; rarely - leukocytosis, monocytosis, reticulocytopenia. Metabolic disorders: often - hyperuricemia, hypertriglyceridemia; infrequently - glucosuria; rarely - hypokalemia. From the immune system: infrequently - rash; rarely - eczema, itching.From the respiratory system: rarely - bronchial asthma, sore throat, rhinitis, nasopharyngitis.From the digestive system: often - diarrhea; infrequently - nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain; rarely - discomfort in abdomen, duodenal ulcer, bloody stools, gastritis Liver and biliary tract: often - increased ALT, AST, GGT; rarely - increased ALP activity, increased bilirubin concentration in the blood Other: rarely - abnormal behavior, increased CPK activity , hematuria, laryngeal polyp, hyperpigmentation, impaired taste sensitivity, hematoma, blurred vision, pain in the eye, vertigo, supraventricular extrasystoles, chest pain entrance. "© Plus the risk you indicated to the fetus.
          - the Japanese themselves recommend using Favipiravir only in a hospital as a last resort from covid-19.
          - again, the clinical effectiveness of Favipiravir in the fight against covid-19 has not been proven.
          Someone just wants to "cut the dough" quickly and with less costs.
          1. +6
            24 September 2020 09: 55
            Someone just wants to "cut the dough" quickly and with less costs.


            Alas, this is true, and for the whole world.

            At the same time, I would not have such a serious skepticism if the effectiveness of these drugs had been proven. If the above drugs with a cost of 12 thousand rubles really reduced the number of hospitalizations and / or improved the prognosis in severe cases, then everyone would have sharply fewer questions. But the problem is that the effectiveness of the drug has not been proven, and it is already being sold for a lot of money as a panacea and even advertised on Vesti24 (I personally saw a laudatory story). And as always, if the drug turns out to be fuflomycin, then no one will bear any responsibility, no one will even give a hint about compensation.
            1. +7
              24 September 2020 10: 02
              And no one will stutter about responsibility and compensation, because before each appointment, as you have already indicated above "Before reception favipiravir, it is necessary to provide written information to the patient about the effectiveness of the drug and the risks associated with its use (including the risk of affecting the embryo and fetus) and receive written consent to use drug. "So it turns out that the patient himself bought it is not clear what for that kind of money and is himself responsible for the consequences. Curtain.
  16. +4
    24 September 2020 08: 32
    I invested a ruble, returned 100. Good commerce.
  17. -2
    24 September 2020 08: 34
    In general, the entire moral side of the pricing of domestic drugs for coronavirus remains very doubtful.

    The price should be subsidized by the state - the manufacturer is a private trader, whose primary goal is monetary profit
    1. +4
      24 September 2020 09: 40
      Quote: Krasnodar
      The price should be subsidized by the state

      What does the Edrosov Duma cost to pass a law on profit? Let's say no more than 10% of the real cost of production and the Law that the price of "wrapping" for goods from the manufacturer's warehouse to the buyer's counter cannot be higher than 50%?

      If such Laws are adopted, then the state, i.e. we can somehow compensate for this, but for now it will look like a brazen robbery from our common fund (budget).
  18. +2
    24 September 2020 08: 54
    The Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) sent inquiries to pharmaceutical manufacturers about the reasonableness of the price of the drug for the coronavirus "Areplivir", which is now allowed to be used on an outpatient basis. This was reported to TASS by the FAS press service.
    The FAS noted that the drug "Areplivir" is not included in the list of vital and essential drugs (VED), and, therefore, prices for it are not subject to government regulation. If the drug is included in the list, the maximum selling price for it will be registered by the Ministry of Health of Russia in accordance with the current rules, and the FAS Russia, in turn, will conduct an appropriate economic analysis of prices.
    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9534601
    And the drug "Avifavir" is included in the VED, but the permission for outpatient use of "Avifavir" can be obtained only in October.
    RDIF and ChemRar consider it possible to start retail sales of Avifavir only after the availability of the drug is increased as a result of optimization of the cost price of Avifavir. Thanks to the production of Avifavir in a full cycle, including the substance, measures are being taken to significantly reduce the cost As a result, the price will be reduced by 30% compared to the level formed by other drugs on the outpatient market. "
    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9532135
  19. +2
    24 September 2020 08: 55
    The salvation of drowning, the work of the drowning themselves ... laughing There will be no freebies. Freedom ... the right to choose ... smile
  20. +3
    24 September 2020 09: 00
    Why imports are prohibited to Russia cheap European gasoline

    "Cheap"? In Europe?! belay lol laughing

    Germany-120 rub / l of gasoline. "Cheap", yes

    WHO in Russia will buy this?
  21. +2
    24 September 2020 09: 15
    all "antiviral" drugs are a scam, a virus is not a bacterium, but just a DNA molecule (RNA) enclosed in a protein membrane and having an enzyme to penetrate the cell membrane but does not have its own metabolism. I wonder what principle is the mechanism of action of these drugs based on? if the drug acts on a viral enzyme, then it will act on similar enzymes in the body.
    and where is this drug in demand abroad? in Tajikistan or Kazakhstan ?? in Europe, for example, nothing is known about him and even unknown about Arbidol. By the way, Arbidol is the same divorce - I had the flu twice in two seasons, one got sick with tea with lemon, the second took Arbidol as an experiment. The results are exactly the same. Arbidol did not improve my condition and did not shorten the course of the disease
    1. +6
      24 September 2020 10: 01
      I wonder what principle is the mechanism of action of these drugs based on?


      The most common principle is viral replication failure. The finest example is the anti-HIV drug HAART. Everything is detailed on the Internet.

      Another question is that HAART is one of the few successful examples of long-term effective and massively used antiviral drugs. The second example is drugs for herpes ... and I personally can't remember anything else.
    2. +3
      24 September 2020 12: 39
      Quote: Klingon
      Arbidol did not improve my condition and did not shorten the course of the disease


      How not to believe in "miraculous fuflomycin" if doctors prescribe it - the Fams lobby ... you know who. The scheme is known for using useless drugs.
  22. +6
    24 September 2020 09: 50
    I was struck by the advertisement on Vesti FM, like a 100% result, no side effects!
  23. amr
    +5
    24 September 2020 10: 01
    Quote: depressant
    I wash the products I brought from the store with soap, I disinfect the key, I wash the floors, I put the products on "sucks", I use them after three days. While some are defending, I use "slop", however, it is possible without quotes. I don't believe it can be avoided if it touches.

    This is Parannoya bordering on schizophrenia, you still get infected and get sick (hard - easily another question) and what is all this for?
  24. sen
    +2
    24 September 2020 10: 12
    Anyone interested can read about Favipiravir in "Recommendations for doctors on the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of Covid-19", version 8
    https://static-0.minzdrav.gov.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/051/777/original/030902020_COVID-19_v8.pdf
    And in the article "POSSIBILITIES OF ETHIOTROPIC THERAPY OF CORONAVIRUS INFECTION".
    https://covid19-preprints.microbe.ru/files/37
  25. +2
    24 September 2020 11: 30
    Generic "left" is shoved into the market. Everything as usual. The hucksters.
  26. +4
    24 September 2020 12: 28
    Nothing that Arbidol is on the list: Medicines with unproven efficacy?

    Despite the manufacturer's statements, Arbidol has no proven effectiveness. It is not in the WHO guidelines for influenza treatment.

    After that, a clinical study was conducted in China according to the standards of evidence-based medicine, which demonstrated the absence of a therapeutic effect of Arbidol against COVID-19.
    1. +1
      25 September 2020 12: 46
      And "Kagocel", yeah. By the way, the "developer" of "Kagocel" is just the N.I. Gamaleya - the "creators" of the "supervaccine against COVID-19" (which, according to the mind, even passed the second phase of Cine, but, on the other hand, is already on the market ...)
  27. 0
    24 September 2020 12: 37
    12320 rubles is $ 160 at the rate of 77 rubles per dollar.
    If such an orientation towards the dollar, then the business plan is calculated in foreign currency and the currency will go offshore.
    Why 40 tablets? To create the value of the purchase. It seems that the consumer will not pay such an amount for 5 capsules. And then there are as many as 40 pieces.
  28. +2
    24 September 2020 12: 50
    Quote: rait
    I wonder what principle is the mechanism of action of these drugs based on?


    The most common principle is viral replication failure. The finest example is the anti-HIV drug HAART. Everything is detailed on the Internet.

    Another question is that HAART is one of the few successful examples of long-term effective and massively used antiviral drugs. The second example is drugs for herpes ... and I personally can't remember anything else.

    I know this, a violation of replication works in herpes viruses (the most famous drug is Acyclovir)
    By the way, in veterinary medicine since the beginning of the 90s, there has been a panacea in the form of antiviral drugs Anandin (R). "type" immunomodulator that was supposed to help with plague and coronavirus gastroenteritis in dogs. in fact, this is an alcoholic solution of aniline dye methylene blue, which has an antiseptic property. All! this is where its "immunomodulatory" properties end. This is another example of how hucksters breed suckers!
    1. 0
      24 September 2020 15: 04
      I walked through PubMed: it turns out that flaviparvir is inserted into the genomic RNA of the virus during its replication instead of normal bases. As a result, new copies of the virus are no longer able to produce functional viral proteins. The bottleneck is the conversion of flavipravir into a substrate for viral RNA polymerase. Apparently, this does not occur in all cells with sufficient efficiency. In addition, it should, to some extent, influence the synthesis of cellular proteins and that will turn out to be very difficult to predict.
  29. KMS
    +1
    24 September 2020 17: 39
    Someone on this imaginary pandemic is fabulously welded in the world, and in Russia .. too ..
    The test for the crown is paid, the medicine in general is off scale at a price .. Something our government goes overboard in my opinion The nerves of the people are already at the limit. hi
  30. +3
    24 September 2020 23: 26
    That is, translating into Russian, the "creators" of this drug did not invest a dime in the development of a new formula for the active substance, taking a known (of dubious efficacy and safety) drug (yes, they spent some money on reverse engineering of the synthesis technology and capital investment in production ), and now they want to sell it at a cosmic price in the domestic market under the pretext of allegedly lost profits from exports.
    This is really a breakthrough!
    No, of course, the appetites of pharmaceutical companies have no limits, but they are tolerated as long as the hope of super-profits is a motivator for developing something really new.
    And here, simply and artlessly, we body a generic and push it on a wave of panic loham gullible citizens. Also banks with microcredit organizations in the share.
  31. 0
    25 September 2020 06: 21
    and again everything is crap and again like a mess in Russia.
    and nothing about the fact that in the states a medicine generally costs more than 2 thousand dollars, and in the states generally more than 3 thousand dollars?
    I'm talking about remdesivir
    According to Statnews, the price for the five-day course for all developed country governments, including the Department of Veterans Affairs and the US Indian Health Service, will be $ 2340. Under the US insurance system, the price will be 33% higher, or $ 3120 for a five-day course.


    and lo and behold, there is also a drug being tested in a short time

    The European Commission - the EU's executive body - on Friday, July 3, approved the use of the first drug for the treatment of coronavirus disease, Remdesivir. The US has ordered half a million doses of the same drug before.
    This was reported by the press service of the European Commission.

    It is noted that the drug approval procedure was carried out as soon as possible, taking into account the severity of the threat of the coronavirus pandemic - less than a month after the submission of the relevant application.

    Remdesivir is now allowed for sale on the market under certain conditions - it is one of the EU regulatory mechanisms, created to facilitate early access to drugs that meet urgent medical needs, including in emergencies, ”the statement said.


    and as the author of the article takes care of the payback, he has already found that at a price of less than $ 200, only 56 thousand courses need to be sold.
    and here only the states have bought 500 thousand courses. which is over a billion bucks.

    By the way, the FAS became interested in Areplivir prices. so they will check how much the price is justified.
    and who will check the US offices for the same?
  32. 0
    25 September 2020 13: 56
    Why the import of cheap European gasoline is prohibited to Russia, taking care of the well-being of oil workers,
    - do what they prohibit correctly
  33. +1
    25 September 2020 21: 11
    Is Sobyanin accidentally in the share? Are masks no longer generating super profits?
  34. 0
    26 September 2020 18: 50
    Nothing personal just business.
  35. 0
    29 September 2020 16: 43
    Yes The biochemist producing Areplivir has already gotten a little dirty:
    History of the Organized Crime Control Department of Mordovia http://stopcriminal.ru/istoriya-bop/554/?attention=y
    "However, if in the above examples people suffered only financial losses, then one can imagine what consequences the consumption of counterfeit drugs entails!" The death shop - the case of Biochemist OJSC - is another glorious page in the history of the Office. part of the line for the production and packaging of medicines, during the year produced a fake.Under the brand of expensive medicines, cheap ones were sold that did not correspond to the properties indicated in the annotation.The products were sold mainly to the cities of Central Asia - that is, where there is not too strict control over the quality of products ...
    After the appeal of one of the businessmen, who did not understand how such a solid budget-forming enterprise of the republic as "Biochemist" could go for a deception, employees of the economic department of the Organized Crime Control Department began to track the suspects. The results were not long in coming. In addition to the specified line, a large batch of components for the production of "drugs" was seized, as well as packaging with a brand name. The total profit of the criminals was over one million rubles. By exposing this community, by the way, with excellent discipline and a level of secrecy, the Organized Crime Control Department, in fact, saved the honor of one of the republic's largest enterprises. "
    The dying Biochemist was releasing ancient drugs, and here is a breakthrough! bright heads!
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  37. 0
    30 September 2020 19: 02
    rotten article, in my opinion - as if against, but for, I remembered a reliable and proven drug - thalidomide, from the use of which children were born without arms and legs.
    anecdote about coronavirus:
    A victim is admitted to the intensive care unit with numerous gunshot wounds, a jacan from a 12 gauge smoothbore gun.
    Thanks to the efforts of the Aesculapians, he dies.
    They wrote in the act - he died of coronavirus, gunshot wounds - concomitant disease.....

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