The lead nuclear submarine "Kazan" of project 885M entered the next stage of testing

The lead multipurpose nuclear submarine "Kazan" of project 885M "Yasen-M" has once again entered the waters of the White Sea, where the next stage of tests will take place. The press service of the Northern fleet.

The submarine must work out the elements of the second special task of the combat training course, as well as test systems and mechanisms in a submerged position. At the exit, the submarine is accompanied by ships and auxiliary vessels of the White Sea Naval Base, as well as the submarine "Dmitry Donskoy". The timing of the tests will not be announced; after the tests are over, Kazan will return to Severodvinsk.

In June of this year, it became known that the state tests of the Kazan nuclear submarine would take place in the fall. In the absence of complaints, the submarine will enter the fleet by the end of 2020. At the same time, it is not ruled out that the delivery dates may be postponed to 2021 for various reasons.

Note that tests of the Kazan nuclear submarine have been going on for the second year already, the reason for this is the discrepancy between a number of auxiliary systems of the submarine and the requirements of the Ministry of Defense. The submarine was sent for revision to Sevmash in early 2019.

The Kazan submarine, the first multipurpose nuclear submarine of the improved 885M project (Yasen-M), was launched on 31 on March 2017 of the year. Compared to the 885 Ash project, the new submarine received many improvements and new systems that have not been used on submarines before. The Yasen-M project submarines have a displacement of 13800 tons, a depth of immersion of 520 meters, a crew of 64 people, autonomy of 100 days, underwater speed - 31 knot, armed with mines, 533 torpedoes, millimeters, Caliber and Onyx cruise missiles.

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[NEXUS]

Rather, transfer to the fleet. With the Ash in comparison with the Borei, construction is going very slowly, and we need a submarine as much as an SSBN.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: NEXUS

Rather, transfer to the fleet.

Before the transfer, let the jambs be removed. Why does the Navy need a raw ship.

[hrych]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Before the transfer, let the jambs be removed. Why does the Navy need a raw ship.

Everything is correct. And we must not forget that strike weapons, after the start of the construction of the nuclear submarine, made a small revolution. In particular, Zircon appeared. Naturally, he will be included in the shock range of Ash, which will have to be adjusted to this system.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: hrych

In particular, Zircon appeared.

but he will not be in Kazan, I read about it, maybe later it will be rearmed

[hrych]

In vertical-inclined launchers, of which 10, there will allegedly be 4 Onyx or Zircon, or 5 missiles of the Caliber family. And it is from Kazan that Zircon will be tested.
https://flotprom.ru/2019/Испытания17/

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: hrych

And it is from Kazan that Zircon will be tested.

yes tested, but onyxes will be put, I do not assert, but I convey what I read in the source

[hrych]

Since there is a universal launcher, there will be no problems with combining missiles. I suspect Zircon will be purely nuclear. And Onyx with Caliber will be more versatile.

[Volder]

Quote: hrych

I suspect Zircon will be purely nuclear.

And what is the point of making Zircon nuclear? Its striking power due to its speed will surpass the Caliber, as a result of which one missile is enough to sink a destroyer or cruiser. And for the aircraft carriers, we have the Dagger in store for an aircraft base (11 Daggers, already on alert, for 11 US aircraft carriers). In addition, no media and the press service of the Ministry of Defense have ever reported on Zircon's nuclear weapons. What your opinion is based on is not clear.

[hrych]

Quote: Volder

What your opinion is based on is not clear.

on warming up of the head fairing with the formation of plasma and flying into the side is difficult. Plasma will not give normal operation of the RGSN or IKGSN. But the inertial is enough to hit the area from which the ship will not have time to get out, due to the enormous speed. 500 km Zircon flies in 3 minutes, at full speed the ship can go no further than two and a half kilometers and a 100-150 kiloton charge is enough to destroy the ship within a radius of up to three kilometers.

[Volder]

Quote: hrych

on warming up of the head fairing with the formation of plasma and flying into the side is difficult. Plasma will not give normal operation of the RGSN or IKGSN.

These are just arguments that contradict Putin's words that plasma does not interfere with establishing a stable connection with the rocket. Apparently, Russian scientists found a way to bypass physics, as a result of which they created hypersonic Dagger and Avangard, which are already in service. Hypersound is no longer an obstacle to aiming. Western warriors and politicians have already passed the stage of denial and are persuading Russia to abandon new types of weapons to extend START-3.

[hrych]

I did not say for nothing about the head fairing. If the rocket has a receiving antenna not in the area where the plasma is, then the radio command guidance method, correction by Glonass, etc., will work. But what's the point? We mean that Zircon rises into the rarefaction of the stratosphere, where the Dagger starts, of course everything works there, but our goal is at the surface, i.e. The ship, and this is the densest layer. Of course, not excluding the Kh-22B algorithm and allegedly implemented on the Kh-32, which was put into service in 2016. There it rises 70 km in vacuum, locks on the target and dives at it with 6 swings. Moreover, the target is simply not capable of leaving, and the rocket already does not need an RGSN when entering a dense atmosphere. Moreover, the missile can withstand hits from missiles. But, the same X-22, of course, was mainly designed for nuclear weapons, with the most powerful charges up to a megaton. And by and large it was undermined immediately jumping out from behind the horizon, or in the case of a dive from a height when entering a dense layer, where an air explosion is most effective and the enemy's air defense is not able to react. In a circle with a diameter of almost 11 km, the hull of the ship is deformed, incompatible with life, and the sailors will be blown off the deck in a circle with a diameter of 26 km and also the defeat of ship settings, fire, etc. Million tons in waste equivalent, however. The X-32, as it skirted the terrain, was guided by a passive RGSN on the radar of enemy ships. Directly on the wing, the Tu22M3 captured the target of the active RGSN, etc. A bunch of algorithms that were apparently inherited by the X-32. Therefore, I repeat, I do not exclude an aiming dive at the target from a height, but again I suspect a special combat unit.

[LifeIsGood]

What your opinion is based on is not clear.

Well, apparently on simple logic. Zircon has a much higher chance of fulfilling its main combat mission, namely, to strike the enemy's naval group of nuclear weapons. Compare the chances of shooting down a Subsonic Caliber and a Zircon.

[Ros 56]

In a hurry, you will make people laugh. As they say - hurry up slowly or measure seven times and check again, and then cut off.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Ros 56

In a hurry, you will make people laugh. As they say - hurry up slowly or measure seven times and check again, and then cut off.

Remind you how the Shchuki-B was built, in what time frame and how were they transferred to the fleet? On average, up to 91 years, in 4 years from laying and before delivery to the fleet!

[Volder]

Quote: NEXUS

Remind you how the Shchuki-B was built, in what time frame and how were they transferred to the fleet? On average, up to 91 years, in 4 years from laying and before delivery to the fleet!

It should be borne in mind that Shchuki-B are still submarines of the previous generation, less sophisticated and complex. It was easier to build them. The more modern the ship is, the longer it takes to be finished. For example, American aircraft carriers of the Nimitz type, built in the 7th century, were handed over to the Navy within 2005 years from the start of the laying. And now the modern aircraft carrier Gerald Ford, which began to be built in XNUMX, is still not ready due to the unavailability of the systems (read - it is brought to mind and does not go on campaigns).

[NEXUS]

Quote: Volder

It should be borne in mind that Shchuki-B are still submarines of the previous generation, less sophisticated and complex.

Do you not consider the technical and scientific level of that time?

Quote: Volder

It was easier to build them.

With what fright? If now they were built with this scientific potential and knowledge, then yes, it would be easier ... but in the 80s the level of knowledge was much lower.

Quote: Volder

And now the modern aircraft carrier Gerald Ford, which began to be built in 2005, is still not ready due to the unavailability of the systems (read - it is brought to mind and does not go on campaigns).

Mattresses are in no hurry, since they have a dozen aircraft carriers in stock. And we must also take into account the fact that this is kapets what a good feeding trough for different caliber of bureaucrats and officials.

[Volder]

Quote: NEXUS

but in the 80s the level of knowledge was much lower.

And the technologies were simpler.

Mattresses are in no hurry, since they have a dozen aircraft carriers in stock.

They have been building an aircraft carrier for so long and continue to pour money into it, because, you see, they have nowhere to rush. To write off 40-year-old aircraft carriers and replace them with new ones is absolutely useless. You can not rush for another 10 years, or more. Sorry, but it's time to smile here :)

And we must also take into account the fact that this is kapets what a good feeding trough for different caliber of bureaucrats and officials.

That is, in the twentieth century in capitalist America there was no such trough, and there were no officials and bureaucrats either.

[Ros 56]

Andrey, you remind the person in charge of the Ministry of Defense, and I can’t help you, not my level.

[2 Level Advisor]

they are very raw .. it's good if Kazan is handed over next year .. but let it be better now to bring it to mind than in the process of BS ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: 2 level advisor

they are very raw .. it's good if Kazan is handed over next year .. but let it be better now to bring it to mind than in the process of BS ..

The Ash project was developed during the Soviet era. It was not created from scratch, but built according to what was already essentially designed. At the same time, while they were building Severodvinsk (and this is more than 20 years), all the "raw" could be taken into account and eliminated, laying Kazan, which is also being built and eliminated since 2009! And you don’t need to tell me that there was the USSR, and here is frail Russia. The question is the desire and the will of the leadership. In 2009, for 9 years there was neither EBN nor Labeled. So let's not talk about "raw".

[2 Level Advisor]

Do not confuse Ash and Ash-M .. these boats are very different in content ... and I have not said anywhere to justify the fact that they have been building it since 2009 .. in fact .. and in the USSR I think 2 times faster would bring .. Ash is rough - a project with a filling of the last century, Ash - M - this ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: 2 level advisor

Do not confuse Ash and Ash-M .. these boats are very different in content ...

I'm not confusing, dear. But a LOT of what has been developed in Severodvinsk has been implemented in Kazan, otherwise they would not have been related projects. Moreover, during those 11 years! that Kazan was being built, it was possible at the construction stage to minimize all the "raw" moments as much as possible. 11 years !!!
This is a clear indicator of the lack of DESIRE and WILL of the country's leadership, which, frankly, scored on the fleet. We have Pike-B waiting for repair or modernization for YEARS! How can we protect our strategists and "catch" enemy submarines?

[Volder]

Quote: NEXUS

The Ash project was developed during the Soviet era. It was not created from scratch, but built according to what was already essentially designed. At the same time, while Severodvinsk was being built (and this is more than 20 years), all the "raw" could be taken into account and eliminated, laying Kazan, which is also being built and eliminated since 2009!

That is why, when in the 2000s new technologies poured in, developed under the USSR and in the 90s, the projects had to be finalized, corrected, modernized, and even with submarines under construction. It is naive to believe that Ash is not much different from Ash-M. In fact, this is a radically revised project with new design solutions, R&D, and "childhood diseases". Hence the protracted construction. The good news is that after the commissioning of "Kazan" submarines of this type will be serially surrendered in no more than 8 years.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Volder

The good news is that after the commissioning of "Kazan" submarines of this type will be serially surrendered in no more than 8 years.

What is there to be happy about? Virgins mattresses are riveted in 4,5-5 years ... and they rent one Virginia every year.

[Malyuta]

Quote: NEXUS

What is there to be happy about? Virgins mattresses are riveted in 4,5-5 years ... and they rent one Virginia every year.

Colleague, do not prevent the uryakkals from throwing their caps for any reason, and if there is no reason, they will throw their caps in anticipation.

[Volder]

Quote: NEXUS

Virgins mattresses are riveted in 4,5-5 years ... and they rent one Virginia every year.

Virginias take 6 years to build. And where did you get the idea that these Virginias are better and no less sophisticated than our nuclear submarines? They may be less difficult to build. In addition, if one submarine is pledged annually (on average), the Navy will receive one submarine a year. Such a tendency with "Ash" has already been outlined. The fleet will receive them in 1, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2027 (these are the ones that are already under construction). By the way, a new submarine should come to replace the decommissioned American strategists "Ohio" by 2028. However, the head one has not yet been laid, and there is not even design documentation for it. Although R&D for this submarine has been funded since 2027. 2010 years old, Karl! And nothing has changed.

[TermNachTer]

Well, mattress mats too, from completion of construction to commissioning - the time frame is considerable. So, as the hero of one popular film said: "There is no need to hurry, listen - yes, there is no need to hurry)))

[Paranoid50]

Quote: TermNachTER

no need to rush)

Yes, all the rules, Nikolai - no one will be in a hurry. Rather, they will hurry without hurrying.
And the fact that ordinary consumers need everything in life at once is a trifle, an innocent whim that is easily screened out.

[Aag]

Question to the specialists. Was it clean, or at first it was "copied" in all respects by the adversaries? NK coped with it? Sorry, about naval aviation, according to your comments, it is inconvenient to ask.
Without any kind of malice, -IMHO: The Strategic Missile Forces alone will not withdraw the tasks of the Russian Strategic Nuclear Forces ...

[bars1]

Quote: NEXUS

This is a clear indication of a lack of DESIRE and WILL.

Judging by how painfully long it takes AB "Gerald Ford" to "come to mind", the US leadership has no DESIRE and WILL to improve the aircraft carrier fleet!

[antivirus]

again not aircraft carriers, I'm waiting for cons for the shipbuilding program from Shoigu

[seregin-s1]

People are working. Disadvantages are eliminated. Will definitely bring to mind! Good luck to Kazan and the earliest possible commissioning!

[Coconut]

7 feet and under and above ...

[petrol cutter]

"Note that tests of the Kazan nuclear submarine have been going on for the second year, the reason for this is the discrepancy between a number of auxiliary systems of the submarine with the requirements of the Ministry of Defense. The submarine was sent for revision to Sevmash at the beginning of 2019."
Let them walk, let them be checked. This is normal. Moreover, for such a ship. And acceleration / ceremonial reports are better not here.

[Santa Fe]

If a rank 1 ship will be built for 10 years and then tested for years, it will be hopelessly outdated by the time it goes into operation.

[Volder]

Quote: Santa Fe

If a rank 1 ship will be built for 10 years and then tested for years, it will be hopelessly outdated by the time it goes into operation.

Serial submarines will be built for 8 years. And secondly, on each subsequent ship, equipment, equipment, instruments are necessarily modernized - without changing the design of the hull. For example, news has recently appeared in the media that the lead frigate 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" will undergo modernization (with the replacement of the filling with a more modern one).

Quote: Santa Fe

Submarine main systems

It seems to be written in Russian that we are talking about auxiliary systems. You didn't think of the basic systems out of your head, did you? Please provide a source of information.

[Santa Fe]

It seems to be written in Russian that we are talking about auxiliary systems.

4 years old, cannot transfer to the fleet

Auxiliary systems never work perfectly, sailors are used to this and would not have delayed entering service - the first and only MCPLA in the last six years.

During service, often with serious malfunctions, the command (at the risk of) signs an order on readiness to enter the BS. No time to fix the stocks. On schedule. Because titles, vacations ... here are 4 years of auxiliary systems

Serious problems on the boat, well if they fix it

[2 Level Advisor]

As far as I heard from the naval systems, yes, the problem is not in the auxiliary systems, so it seems that they will not solve it yet - the rest of the Ash trees will not go to the fleet either .. unless of course they make a hurray-transfer to the fleet and further eliminate it ..

[Volder]

Quote: Santa Fe

Auxiliary systems never work perfectly, sailors are used to this and would not have delayed entering service

Absolute unfounded words, not based on anything. I haven't heard of such precedents. Give the sources where you got this from. I hope not out of my head.

During service, often in case of serious malfunctions, the command (at risk) signs an order on readiness to enter the BS.

What serious problems are we talking about? Here you need to understand that the crew of the submarine does not sign the acceptance certificate for the fleet. This is the responsibility of individual "military acceptance" officials, who can afford to disrupt the delivery schedule over every little thing. To turn a blind eye to a trifle means letting the contractor fail to fulfill his obligations under the terms of the contract. Next time, this contractor will screw up again, and other contractors will take an example ... I tend to think that you don't need to invent on coffee grounds. It is necessary to clearly distinguish between duty cruises at sea and the process of enrolling a ship into the fleet. On any ship, all systems and mechanisms cannot work 100% without a flaw, especially after 5-10 years of service without caps. repair. But when handing over to the fleet, all this should work 100%.

[Santa Fe]

But upon delivery to the fleet, all this should work 100%.

Most of the ships in world history entered service in the partial absence of the systems and means laid down for the project, incl. weapons

For different reasons

[Santa Fe]

the reason for this is the non-compliance of a number of auxiliary systems of the submarine with the requirements of the Ministry of Defense.

Submarine main systems

[petrol cutter]

What to do? Now the whole shipbuilding is in this situation.
And we are categorically not happy about this.
The whole story (as far as I know) rests on certain "tenders". What mudlo invented them, I don't know.
But for example - there are no stupid 125x brushes to clean the seams. It's been a week since (and the plan / deadline) - to burn with a blue flame! .. I asked the storekeeper yesterday, what is going on ?!
The tender goes (to the brushes) she answers. What do you want from me?!!..
Here is such a "squiggle" in our instrument making ...
I really don't build boats. I'll tell you right away.
The situation is similar for other issues. I have already reported a hundred times.

[rugor]

It has nothing to do with the tender, the bosses cannot build your processes

[petrol cutter]

My heart tells me that you are right.
But just now a friend on this site told me that it was me. I don't know anything about plant management, tenders and other cuisine.
And it's good that at least the "Durexes" remained. And then, and that would not have happened.
For some reason, the girls from the council are beautiful. Birthday hearts are simple!
And the cigarettes are smoked tasty, but long ...

[d4rkmesa]

Yes, it's not about the broads. They are paid pennies in the provinces. The military-industrial complex is a black hole in terms of production organization. Once I tried to ask a friend what he was doing at the helicopter plant. In general, mostly engineers and managers hang out at meetings. Everyday. Not, of course, maybe they solve important operational issues like that. But isn't it easier to entrust the restocking to a special program that will plan and place orders? In commerce, meetings are usually held once a week. It is clear that everything is built in such a way that for each small stage there are kilograms of documentation. But the human factor also affects a lot. About the chiefs-food workers - a separate topic, fortunately, now they are fired faster than before, if completely unsuitable for production.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Petrol cutter

The whole story (as far as I know) rests on certain "tenders". What mudlo invented them, I don't know.

Contractors, subcontractors, suppliers and so on are stealing deadlines. If we exaggerate completely, then because of some unit that should be dazzled, somewhere beyond the Urals, the assembly and delivery of the entire submarine can move to the right for, say, a week, or even a month. That is why I said that the political leadership of our Vast is neither willing nor willing. Otherwise, such subcontractors, for the failure to meet the deadlines, would have been put in one place on the globe, without waiting for peretonit, and very quickly and efficiently. But we don't do that ... here when a roasted rooster bites, then in three shifts, without smoke breaks and weekends, heroically, a five-year plan in three years.

[Joker62]

Quote: Petrol cutter

My heart tells me that you are right.
But just now a friend on this site told me that it was me. I don't know anything about plant management, tenders and other cuisine.
And it's good that at least the "Durexes" remained. And then, and that would not have happened.
For some reason, the girls from the council are beautiful. Birthday hearts are simple!
And the cigarettes are smoked tasty, but long ...

These girls who smoke "delicious cigarettes" - they are pacifiers like oak corks! Unfortunately, there are many of them ... and then they complain that they do not marry us ... who needs them, these little engines, poker cars ???