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Media: Su-30SM that fell on the eve could have been accidentally shot down by another fighter

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Media: Su-30SM that fell on the eve could have been accidentally shot down by another fighter

The Su-22SM multifunctional fighter that fell on September 30 near Tver, according to preliminary data, was accidentally shot down by another fighter during an exercise. This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the emergency services.


According to the preliminary version, a shot accidentally hit the plane aviation guns of the second fighter that participated in the training.

Previously, the cause of the emergency was an accidental hit of a shell on the Su-30 during an exercise. The shot was fired by another aircraft

- the agency leads the words of the source.

Meanwhile, information appeared on social networks that the second fighter participating in the training flight was the Su-35S. The missiles were removed from the fighter after combat duty, but the gun was not unloaded. While practicing air combat between the Su-35S and Su-30SM, the Su-35 pilot was supposed to fire a blank shot at the "enemy", but fired a real volley from a cannon, cutting off the Su-30SM's tail. After that, the Su-30SM crew ejected.

Note that there is no official confirmation of this information.

As previously reported, on September 22, during a training flight, a Su-30SM fighter crashed, the crew ejected safely. The plane crashed in a wooded area in the Tver region, there is no destruction on the ground.
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  1. sergo1914
    sergo1914 23 September 2020 14: 55
    31
    Fig yourself. How accurate.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 23 September 2020 15: 07
      71
      And they say a gun on a modern fighter is unnecessary and useless. And here the training is as close as possible to the battle. The United States Air Force pilots twitched nervously ... Russian pilots are shooting at each other in sparring.
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 23 September 2020 15: 15
        29
        And here the training is as close as possible to the battle.
        Really, at least draw an asterisk.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 23 September 2020 15: 26
          27
          Su-30SM pilots need to go to church and light a candle for the health of the Irkutsk aircraft plant workers. For being alive.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 23 September 2020 15: 57
            +2
            I don’t understand how the loss of a combat aircraft of our country can please.
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 23 September 2020 16: 01
              27
              Quote: lexus
              I don’t understand how the loss of a combat aircraft of our country can please.

              And what, to be sad or something. No one died, the fighter was of course grounded, but the mess and slovenliness are Russian braces, where can we go without them. And in the spiritless West, cases of friendly fire are not rare.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 23 September 2020 16: 08
                +1
                The statistics are relentless - "rolling the counter" of ridiculous flight accidents, etc., it is easy to call trouble. And the loss of combat units, actually produced "by the piece", certainly will not add combat effectiveness. There may not be enough "mistakes" to learn.
                1. Aag
                  Aag 23 September 2020 18: 01
                  +6
                  Try to understand correctly, I remembered from my youth, - "When God created discipline on Earth, aviation was in the air ..."
                  About a week ago, they discussed getting into a tank from a "friendly" shot at the range.
                  I understand! There are enough abnormal situations everywhere. But let's come to our senses! We also had "shoals". Not critical.
                  Guards Mr. stock of Strategic Missile Forces.
                  PS: What is the problem? The same ... eccentrics met in the service, got along, - on an appropriate scale.
                  I do not scoff, I do not reproach, I want to understand the system of building security, in a broad sense ...
                  Competent commentators hi
                2. orionvitt
                  orionvitt 23 September 2020 20: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: lexus
                  The statistics are relentless - "winding the counter" of absurd flight accidents and so on.

                  He who does nothing is never wrong.
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 23 September 2020 17: 52
                -5
                Quote: Bashkirkhan
                What, to be sad or something

                of course, people's money. Why not shoot on a budget
                Quote: Bashkirkhan
                but the mess and slovenliness are Russian braces, where can we go without them.

                do you want to say that you can expect Topol shooting at Russian cities?
            2. Charik
              Charik 23 September 2020 20: 33
              +1
              "Self-advertising", and then some "Russian weapons" - what can not - about the same C 400 and about the Su 30-35
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 23 September 2020 20: 41
                +3
                Tady can stir up an "advertising campaign" on an unprecedented scale by recruiting into the Armed Forces those who are extremely prone to suicide ... and self-harm.
                1. Charik
                  Charik 23 September 2020 20: 43
                  +1
                  ne ne nada-let some Malaysians or Chinese knock each other down a lot and buy a lot of money too
            3. Archon
              Archon 24 September 2020 13: 49
              0
              A waste of money incident without loss of life can be beneficial in correcting mistakes.
          2. ancient
            ancient 23 September 2020 16: 30
            10
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            For Su-30SM pilots

            Su-30M2 ... this plant is a little .. to the east and .. "Amurism" wink
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 23 September 2020 16: 38
              +3
              Then let them put a candle to the workers of KnAAZ. Thanks for the clarification hi .
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 23 September 2020 17: 00
                +1
                Here, as it were, it was not necessary to "light up" the Novosibirsk aircraft plant. "For the rest." After the completion of the supply of the Su-34 to the Aerospace Forces, there is nothing to load it. There are no export orders, the enterprise is not preparing for the production of promising machines.
          3. Doliva63
            Doliva63 23 September 2020 20: 05
            +5
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            Su-30SM pilots need to go to church and light a candle for the health of the Irkutsk aircraft plant workers. For being alive.

            What does the Irkutsk plant have to do with it? Glory be to Allah that the 35th did not shoot at the cockpit, and G. Severin (and at the same time the APS and PDS) that the chair worked normally. You need to drink, and not to wander around the churches - they do not pour there.
            1. Marine72
              Marine72 24 September 2020 01: 43
              -1
              Okay! Where did you shoot? Really ... on plumage .. straight and aiming at plumage ?? Judging by the article.
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 24 September 2020 19: 38
                0
                Quote: Marine72
                Okay! Where did you shoot? Really ... on plumage .. straight and aiming at plumage ?? Judging by the article.

                Maybe he was aiming at the cockpit, but he was not shooting at it, but where he got - is it logical?
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 23 September 2020 17: 50
          -2
          Quote: Trapp1st
          Really, at least draw an asterisk.

          rather, under a tribunal laughing
          In October 2017, Zverev and Chebanov inspected the Kh-29TD missile

          in the hangar of military unit 59882 (Saki-4). In violation of a number of safety and work rules, they did not check the safety mechanisms of the ammunition. After connecting the rocket
          to the test complex "Oka", its solid-propellant engine started. Fortunately, there were no casualties and the warhead did not detonate, but the fired missile damaged one more Kh-29TD, the Oka, and blew off the hangar doors.
          A case was opened against two servicemen under Part 1 of Art. 349 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (violation of the rules for handling weapons and objects that pose an increased danger to others).
          The total material damage was eventually estimated at 46,5 million rubles.
          According to the court's decision, Zverev must pay the state 15 million, and Chebanov - 16 million rubles.
        3. VO3A
          VO3A 23 September 2020 18: 43
          +1
          Enough of non-military fairy tales! That a pilot on a Su-35 or other fighter jet switched on the combat chains during a training flight? In this case, there will already be 3 pilots ...
      2. alma
        alma 23 September 2020 15: 55
        +8
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        The pilots of the United States Air Force twitched nervously ... Russian pilots shoot fighters at each other in sparring

        Beat your own so that strangers are afraid!
        PC It's good that there were no casualties.
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 23 September 2020 16: 00
        +6
        Russian pilots are shooting at each other in sparring matches.

        And not from great intelligence and courage, but solely because of sloppiness.
      4. RUS96
        RUS96 23 September 2020 16: 28
        17
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Russian pilots are shooting at each other in sparring matches.

        1. DominickS
          DominickS 23 September 2020 17: 06
          +1
          Apparently, unfortunately, as we often have: If something can be screwed up, sooner or later it will be screwed up.
        2. basmach
          basmach 23 September 2020 17: 11
          11
          I don’t know where you got the SHR disconnection from? Yes, the ammo is not removed, or rather, when flying to the landfill, the ammunition tape is removed, the "training" is charged - usually 10-15 rounds. But the GSh-301 cannon has one unpleasant feature: the shells on it are used with an electrocapsule, not a mechanical one. Also on the gun there is no reloading mechanism as such. If on the HP-30 reloading is carried out with compressed air, on the GSH-23 there are 3 squibs, when each is triggered, the gas is fed into the gas chamber, On the GSh-6-23 and 6-30- due to the squibs, the barrel is unwound, on the YakB-12,7, 301 spinning due to torsion spring. There is nothing similar on GSH-12,7. The cartridge is inserted directly into the barrel, closed with a wedge bolt with an electronic contact. When a pulse is applied, a shot is fired. In the event of a delay (low-quality capsule), the recharge is carried out in a very original way. There is a squib, when the reload is pressed, it is triggered and burns through the wall of the cartridge case in the barrel, igniting the powder charge, a shot occurs. If the technician has not removed the tape and removed the cartridge from the barrel, then shooting in the air is quite possible. On the rest of the guns, the tape is brought to the receiver and shooting is possible only after the pilot has reloaded the weapon in the air (except for the YakB-XNUMX)
          1. Yok Migarek
            Yok Migarek 23 September 2020 19: 53
            +3
            Quote: basmach
            I don’t know where you got the SHR disconnection from? Yes, the ammo is not removed, or rather, when flying to the landfill, the ammunition tape is removed, the "training" is charged - usually 10-15 rounds. But the GSh-301 cannon has one unpleasant feature: the shells on it are used with an electrocapsule, not a mechanical one. Also, the cannon lacks a reloading mechanism as such. If on the HP-30 reloading is carried out with compressed air, on the GSH-23 there are 3 squibs, when each is triggered, the gas is fed into the gas chamber, On the GSh-6-23 and 6-30- due to the squibs, the barrel is unwound ...


            The plug connector (SHR) from the guns is disconnected precisely for this, so that it is not possible to fire. And I also remember exactly that GSh-6-30 was spun up with compressed air.
            1. ancient
              ancient 23 September 2020 21: 07
              +3
              Quote: Yok-Migarek
              The plug connector (SHR) from the guns is turned off exactly for this

              That's right .. 27V is supplied wink
            2. basmach
              basmach 23 September 2020 23: 40
              +1
              You probably don't remember well. The SR is never undocked. Compressed air was used on the HP-30, AM-23, A-12, 7. On the R-23 I don't remember (there was a cool gun, a revolving drum), on the GShG (7, 62) there was an electric drive with a variable speed.
              1. Yok Migarek
                Yok Migarek 24 September 2020 10: 21
                +1
                Quote: basmach
                You probably don't remember well.

                I flew the MiG-27 for five years. 70 percent with the combat use of this very gun. And I remember everything very well. I say exactly, the GSh-6-30 cannon is spun up with compressed air. For self-testing, I read open sources on the net. And there is.
                Yes, and the SR were undocked on those flights where the gun was not needed. The easiest way to "neutralize" it.
                1. basmach
                  basmach 24 September 2020 13: 41
                  +1
                  I didn't fly. I'm just a gunsmith. By specialty. He served on the Su-17 m4. Pnkashnik
      5. figwam
        figwam 23 September 2020 16: 32
        +4
        but fired a real volley

        A salvo can be from several guns or barrels, on the Su-35 one GSh-301 cannon can cut the plane in half.
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      7. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 24 September 2020 15: 07
        0
        Russian hardball in the VKS RF. (by the way, hardball was invented by the Russian special forces)
    2. askort154
      askort154 23 September 2020 15: 46
      +8
      sergo1914 .....Fig yourself. How accurate.

      Now this one - a real pilot "sniper", must every year on this date, take his "gunmen" to the bathhouse, with a complete set for their maintenance. yes
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 23 September 2020 15: 55
        +5
        If there will be "what shishi". Now, according to the court, they can leave "without trousers" ...
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 23 September 2020 16: 30
          +3
          And what does he have to do with it? It's not the pilot who loads / unloads the gun.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 23 September 2020 17: 04
            +3
            Below the ancient answered in detail. And the small one is slightly higher.
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  2. yfast
    yfast 23 September 2020 14: 55
    +3
    Again the technician is to blame?
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 23 September 2020 15: 35
      +5
      Quote: yfast
      Again the technician is to blame?

      Doubts? what
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 23 September 2020 15: 50
      +1
      Is it not, in this case? what
      Combat pilots, sharpened to press the 2nd "trigger", and cannon, and "photo-machine gun".
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 September 2020 16: 42
        +4
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Combat pilots, sharpened to press the 2nd "trigger", and cannon, and "photo-machine gun"

        The trigger is ONE, but for 2 positions. wink
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 23 September 2020 16: 47
          +2
          Quote: ancient
          The trigger is ONE, but for 2 positions.

          You know better. wink hi
          I, just above my head, see every day. And how there, in the "cockpit", I don't know ... recourse
          1. a.hamster55
            a.hamster55 23 September 2020 18: 29
            0
            Glory to Allah, even though these rarely fly at home! Although not far from being grounded in a deserted wooded area. But tobish helicopters' flying machines, even at night, rumble over the city and somehow sometimes think about the bad, especially knowing about the current state of flight safety.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 23 September 2020 20: 12
        +1
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Is it not, in this case? what
        Combat pilots, sharpened to press the 2nd "trigger", and cannon, and "photo-machine gun".

        Do you think there is a "machine gun" in there? belay And in those days, when the SSh-45 was standing, it was triggered by pressing the BC.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 23 September 2020 20: 29
          +2
          Quote: Doliva63
          Do you think there is a "machine gun" in there?

          I deliberately put it in quotes. How is it correct, I do not know. request But there is such a thing. And, as the Ancient Comrade wrote, the key (button, etc.) is the same. Just a pilot, took off the "safety" and, in addition, banged combat. Hopefully, the technicians turned everything off, and the inspector checked. sad
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 23 September 2020 21: 11
            +2
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            Quote: Doliva63
            Do you think there is a "machine gun" in there?

            I deliberately put it in quotes. How is it correct, I do not know. request But there is such a thing. And, as the Ancient Comrade wrote, the key (button, etc.) is the same. Just a pilot, took off the "safety" and, in addition, banged combat. Hopefully, the technicians turned everything off, and the inspector checked. sad

            "Ancient Kamrad" writes everything correctly. drinks I, unfortunately, 100 years as a member of the Air Force, as they have there, which now I do not know. Didn't take into account the quotes, sorry drinks
        2. ancient
          ancient 23 September 2020 21: 05
          +4
          Quote: Doliva63
          Do you think there is a "machine gun" in there?

          Required wink .. "called" FKP-EU wink
          The camera has two channels:
          - 1st - optical (external) for photographing the space behind the cab;
          - 2nd - fiber-optic (internal) for photographing the parameters indicated on the ILS.
          Quote: Doliva63
          it was triggered by pressing the BC.

          It's not like this here wink
          The FKP-EU device operates in automatic mode when the MODE switch is set to any position, however, the information recorded by the FKP differs in different operating modes of the SUV.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 23 September 2020 21: 35
            +2
            Quote: ancient
            Quote: Doliva63
            Do you think there is a "machine gun" in there?

            Required wink .. "called" FKP-EU wink
            The camera has two channels:
            - 1st - optical (external) for photographing the space behind the cab;
            - 2nd - fiber-optic (internal) for photographing the parameters indicated on the ILS.
            Quote: Doliva63
            it was triggered by pressing the BC.

            It's not like this here wink
            The FKP-EU device operates in automatic mode when the MODE switch is set to any position, however, the information recorded by the FKP differs in different operating modes of the SUV.

            Here is SSh-45 - it was a photo-gun, but what you are talking about is a video spy in the cockpit laughing
    3. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 23 September 2020 15: 51
      +1
      Why a technician? Rather a gunsmith.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 23 September 2020 15: 56
        +4
        Quote: tatarin1972
        Why a technician? Rather a gunsmith.

        There will be a few to blame! Who did not do what they should and who did not control. It's good that no casualties, although the machine is expensive.
      2. ancient
        ancient 23 September 2020 17: 16
        +2
        Quote: tatarin1972
        Why a technician? Rather a gunsmith.

        The AB (aviation weapons) technician and the group in the IAS AE are called so..group AB
    4. ancient
      ancient 23 September 2020 16: 35
      +8
      Quote: yfast
      Again the technician is to blame?

      Both ... the technician for leaving the cannon connected and the projectiles in the charging strap summed up, but the pilot ... for grabbing the "Chief" with his hands, thereby energizing all the circuits of the FCS, well, before firing (any BP or FS0 should be, as when reloading personal weapons), turn it aside and, with a record on the MS, clamp the gadget. soldier
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 23 September 2020 17: 14
        +1
        Quote: ancient
        well, before firing (any on BP or FS0 should be like when reloading personal weapons) turn to the side and, with a record on the MS, clamp the gadget.

        As we say - drivers ... wink
        Either they are not experienced at all, or, on the contrary, are quite experienced in the trash. I wouldn't be surprised if a very experienced pilot was at the helm of the Su-35.
    5. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 23 September 2020 18: 39
      +1
      The regiment commander is responsible for everything that happens in the regiment.
      1. Gato
        Gato 25 September 2020 08: 39
        0
        The regiment commander is responsible for everything that happens in the regiment.

        .. the ComVKS is responsible for everything that happens in the videoconferencing, for everything that happens in the Armed Forces, the NSH and the Ministry of Defense are responsible, for everything that happens in Russia, the GDP is responsible, for everything that happens in the universe ... you know who. So they found the culprit laughing
        Seriously though, no one is immune from the inevitable accidents in the sky. The main thing is that everyone is alive. Although, no matter how now the guns are not removed from the planes - in order to avoid ...
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 25 September 2020 09: 02
          0
          “So they found the culprit” - everything is correct, and then the question of the scale of the incident.
          “From inevitable accidents in the sky” is not an accident, but the incompetence or carelessness of the personnel.
          "The cannons were not removed from the planes - in order to avoid ..." - and even better, prohibit flights. am
  3. vkl.47
    vkl.47 23 September 2020 14: 57
    +4
    Well, this is generally something with something. Well, everyone is alive. But questions remain. How so, the "cartridges" were forgotten to take off. And if I got into the cockpit, then in the meat of everyone.
    1. vadim dok
      vadim dok 23 September 2020 15: 34
      +1
      Who knows what is the MINIMUM number of shells in a burst from GSh 30 1
      or can this cannon fire single-handed? Actually, this cannon has a rate of fire of 25 rounds / sec, or 1500 per minute.
      1. rosomaha
        rosomaha 23 September 2020 15: 40
        +1
        if memory does not change 3-5high
        1. ancient
          ancient 23 September 2020 16: 53
          +1
          Quote: rosomaha
          if memory does not change 3-5high

          Changes - 1500-1800 rds / min.
          1. rosomaha
            rosomaha 24 September 2020 10: 39
            0
            this is the rate of fire, but I'm talking about the length of the mines of the queue (usually this is how they work). Max queue is a full BC - 150hp.
      2. ancient
        ancient 23 September 2020 16: 52
        +6
        Quote: vadim dok
        Who knows what is the MINIMUM number of shells in a burst from GSh 30 1

        If in one burst, then all 6 shells fly out in 150 seconds .. it can be bursts - "short" by 7-15 shells or "long" by 35-40 "shells.
        The shells are never removed from the box ... the only time this was in the summer of 1994 (six months before the beginning of the well-known events) when 1 ammo was handed over to the warehouse, and the shells from the ammunition boxes were completely pulled out and also handed over to another weapons warehouse.
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 September 2020 14: 57
    0
    Pilots! hi . Comment! Maybe this is heresy? fool
    1. igor67
      igor67 23 September 2020 15: 04
      +7
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Pilots! hi . Comment! Maybe this is heresy? fool

      I'm not a pilot, but 86 they brought the first 243th edition car from Afgan to us for repairs, with a cannon, we took off the twin gun, with the help of a sledgehammer, it turned out that they forgot to discharge the LIS, but everything turned out well, except for the AV technology award
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 23 September 2020 15: 53
      +7
      Here is a comment from the FB military:

      During normal flights, projectiles for the cannon are not pulled out of the aircraft. Even if this plane last fired from a cannon 300 years ago during testing. The ammunition for the cannon is always charged, but if there is no practical shooting from it according to the exercise, it must be disconnected by aviation armament specialists (with control of the actions by another specialist) with a special switch and the SHR connector is disconnected (consider that the gun is turned off from the socket).
      It is almost impossible to control the shutdown of the cannon from the cockpit, but when performing typical attacks, the very last stage of protection, namely the "Main B" switch, does not turn on at all, and in addition, before the attack, a control clamping of the gun trigger is performed away from the target with recording on a tape recorder.

      And only if all these numerous and obligatory actions are lost, the cannon can shoot.
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 September 2020 16: 57
        +6
        Quote: K-612-O
        Here is a comment from the FB military:

        Everything is absolutely true soldier
    3. ancient
      ancient 23 September 2020 16: 55
      +6
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Comment, maybe this is heresy?

      There is not heresy, but a flight incident with the unintentional use of weapons resulting in the loss of the Su-30M2 aircraft, i.e. by simple Avria.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 23 September 2020 17: 14
        0
        I can imagine how the crews meet at home in the kitchen, over a glass of tea! recourse
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 23 September 2020 19: 40
          +2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          I can imagine how the crews meet at home in the kitchen, over a glass of tea

          Here, in the place of a guy from the 35th, I would be careful not to date their wives wink
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 23 September 2020 17: 56
        0
        Quote: ancient
        ,those. by simple Avria.

        laughing
        at the price of 1,25 billion rubles in 2019 prices?
      3. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 23 September 2020 18: 31
        +3
        If I’m not mistaken, then in the 90th year, a similar incident occurred at Dalny with the participation of the 29th ... everything was really sad there - the only projectile remained in the barrel and was not checked after shooting, in the next flight on a typical attack from the "predicted path" mode hit the cockpit.
        Troops ostagram and prepare for ....
        1. Yok Migarek
          Yok Migarek 23 September 2020 20: 04
          +4
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          If I’m not mistaken, then in the 90th year, a similar incident occurred at Dalny with the participation of the 29th ... everything was really sad there - the only projectile remained in the barrel and was not checked after shooting, in the next flight on a typical attack from the "predicted path" mode hit the cockpit.
          Troops ostagram and prepare for ....

          In the WGV I had the same case. One MiG-29 shot down another in aerial combat. He shot and shouted into the air: "Commander, I shot you down! Jump!" For a long time they figured it out Before the flight, the pilot was replaced with a spare plane, which was not discharged. The gun was in cutoff mode and all 3 shells hit the center section. Sniper work! The commander eventually said that if he missed, he would be immediately fired! And since the "foe" flunked from the first turn, then serve on.
          It used to be easier.
          And after that it was forbidden to turn on the "Chief". Why did they forget it now HZ.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 23 September 2020 20: 20
            +2
            Quote: Yok-Migarek
            since the "foe" flunked from the first turn, then serve on ...
            The commander showed understanding, he was lucky.
            Quote: Yok-Migarek
            forbidden to include "Chief". Why did they forget it now HZ.
            Now this issue is the main one on the agenda, they will sort it out and hopefully show understanding like that Commander recourse Although
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            in the place of a guy from the 35th, I would be careful not to date their wives wink
            1. Yok Migarek
              Yok Migarek 23 September 2020 20: 33
              +3
              Unfortunately, there will be no understanding. You will see. The prosecutor's office will be involved. And those only have an understanding of what needs to be punished. Only if there is no shout from above ...
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 23 September 2020 21: 14
                +2
                I really want you to be wrong, but we assume the Lord has
  5. A009
    A009 23 September 2020 14: 57
    +7
    I can imagine what kind of math rewind was on the air. And from both sides. It's good that everyone is alive. And the cannon, apparently, will still serve on airplanes in the 21st century. It turns out to be effective.
    1. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 23 September 2020 15: 11
      +7
      well, clear pepper 30 mm cannon cannot but be effective laughing
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 23 September 2020 14: 58
    14
    If this turns out to be true, the weapons chief and mechanic are out of luck.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 23 September 2020 16: 16
      +1
      It is regrettable if the "extreme" ones are appointed, and not the guilty ones are found. It often happens that these are different people.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 23 September 2020 16: 20
        +3
        Quote: lexus
        It is regrettable if the "extreme" ones are appointed, and not the guilty ones are found. It often happens that these are different people.

        The regulations have not been canceled. An aircraft technician must inspect the weapon system in any way, only if the transmission of the order went wrong, but that would be nonsense.
      2. K-612-O
        K-612-O 23 September 2020 16: 31
        0
        Here, just not, ground services are already definitely stuck, well, and the fighter at the 35th tangent
        1. Mityasha
          Mityasha 23 September 2020 18: 10
          +3
          This is where everyone got involved: both techies and fighter. Gifts will be given out according to merit. There is a cause-and-effect relationship in the actions of specialists that resulted in the loss of a combat vehicle in peacetime. On the ground, the tanks are also burning with their thrusts. Such a month ... And the general strained from the actions of adversaries ...
  7. newcomer
    newcomer 23 September 2020 15: 02
    +2
    Well, set up the pilots, it's mine. From what I read, I realized that one shell cut off the plumage (?). What plumage PGO, wing, tail unit? Again, if only we do not read the next speculation.
    1. rosomaha
      rosomaha 23 September 2020 15: 42
      +2
      half of the right wing was cut off
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 23 September 2020 15: 46
        0
        Yes God, that it was fiction. Otherwise, someone will hit hard.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 23 September 2020 20: 20
        +3
        Quote: rosomaha
        half of the right wing was cut off

        I remember from school - the monoplane has one wing. repeat
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 23 September 2020 15: 57
      +2
      And on good will be the conclusion of the commission, there it will be clear. And this is still really speculation.
      Above I put a post about the possibility of such an incident from a military man, you have to try to shoot a pancake or technology idiots.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 23 September 2020 15: 59
        +1
        Well I say (I wrote a little higher) _ a setup for the flyers.
      2. Yok Migarek
        Yok Migarek 23 September 2020 20: 07
        +2
        There everyone will be to blame. Trust me! From the regiment commander to the last gunman. And the aircraft technician, weapons specialist and, of course, the pilot are directly to blame.
    3. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 23 September 2020 15: 59
      +2
      Yesterday, comrade Rushenairfors already gave info. Under the first news of the incident.
      In principle, everything is the same ...
      Quote: newbie
      What plumage PGO, wing, tail unit?

      Wing console.
  8. Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 September 2020 15: 04
    +3
    Exactly ... neatly ... in Russian ...
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 23 September 2020 15: 19
      +4
      Exactly ... neatly ... in Russian ...
      Yes, we can when it comes to sloppiness.
  9. Piramidon
    Piramidon 23 September 2020 15: 06
    -1
    Note that there is no official confirmation of this information.

    Now the "experts" will catch up and explain everything, confirm and prove with references to "unnamed sources (in the Ministry of Defense, the government, the Ministry of Emergencies, the State Duma ...) who wished to remain anonymous." Why not wait for the results of the investigation? And then there are already some who in all colors sees the full picture of this LP. request
    A009 (Andrey)
    I can imagine what kind of math rewind was on the air, and from both sides.
    1. Charik
      Charik 23 September 2020 21: 05
      0
      why wait for some kind of conclusion of the commission - when we make all the conclusions here, and we will punish you yourself, you know who and how (please treat with understanding che-che) laughing
  10. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 23 September 2020 15: 06
    -3
    If this is the case, someone will be invoiced ....)))
  11. vvvjak
    vvvjak 23 September 2020 15: 10
    +7
    Sometimes the awareness of VO commentators is pleasantly surprising. This version was announced yesterday:
    Quote: Rushnairfors
    Rashneirfors (Dmitry) Yesterday, 17:34
    11

    New infa: an air battle between su30 and su35, 35th after the DB was, the missiles were removed for flights and the gun was not discharged, when performing FS (photo shooting), it worked practically and shot off 30ke half of the plane.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 23 September 2020 16: 05
      0
      I kind of trust the fighter-bomber more.
      Above is his post on this topic. AP is always charged.
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak 23 September 2020 16: 19
        +1
        Quote: K-612-O
        I kind of trust the fighter-bomber more.
        Above is his post on this topic. AP is always charged.

        I'm not talking about that. Yesterday Dmitry knew (referring to his sidekicks) what had happened. And why this happened is another question.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 23 September 2020 16: 29
          0
          Well, there are people everywhere, maybe colleagues have remained
      2. ancient
        ancient 23 September 2020 17: 00
        +4
        Quote: K-612-O
        AP is always charged.

        It is not always loaded, but there are always shells in the cartridge box and they are brought to the bolt in the tape, but the bolt is not cocked!
        On Tu-22s (all), the technician, before landing in the cockpit, still showed 3 PZL cartridges (pyro-loading) and there the shells do not even start in the tape, but are simply in the box soldier
  12. Grei
    Grei 23 September 2020 15: 11
    -4
    Recently, ALL exercises have been carried out with live ammunition. wassat
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 23 September 2020 16: 11
      +4
      Recently, ALL exercises have been carried out with live ammunition. wassat
      If the pilot of the Su-30SM knew that he was being approached with combatants, I think he would have done better in this training.
  13. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 23 September 2020 15: 12
    +1
    It happens - when people really train, everything happens
  14. Sobol
    Sobol 23 September 2020 15: 19
    0
    Is it really impossible to turn some kind of light bulb, showing - there are shells / no shells ?! And if you put a queue in the cockpit?
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 23 September 2020 16: 09
      +1
      The gun is always loaded, the USP is not the USP, and so on. Ground services should turn it off if the cut from it is not planned according to the flight mission.
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 September 2020 17: 06
        +7
        Quote: K-612-O
        The gun is always loaded, the USP is not the USP, and so on.

        Not loaded with..EQUIPPED..these are different definitions and the state of readiness of the WPU soldier
    2. ancient
      ancient 23 September 2020 17: 05
      +4
      Quote: SoboL
      Is it really impossible to turn some kind of light bulb, indicating - there are shells / no shells ?!

      On ILS 'an indication is given of the presence of shells for the cannon (in worms) and is indicated regardless of whether the Main is on or not.
      The switch of the SUV modes is set to the OPT position, the whole mode of the VPU application is on wink
      1. Sobol
        Sobol 23 September 2020 18: 10
        +2
        Quote: ancient

        On ILS 'an indication is given of the presence of shells for the cannon (in worms) and is indicated regardless of whether the Main is on or not.
        The switch of the SUV modes is set to the OPT position, the whole mode of the VPU application is on wink


        Quote: ancient
        Quote: K-612-O
        The gun is always loaded, the USP is not the USP, and so on.

        Not loaded with..EQUIPPED..these are different definitions and the state of readiness of the WPU soldier


        Quote: K-612-O
        The gun is always loaded, the USP is not the USP, and so on. Ground services should turn it off if the cut from it is not planned according to the flight mission.


        Thanks for the clarification. It's just that all my working life I have been crawling through the pits at the zero cycle and I am not well versed in airplanes. Is there no indicator for "gun disabled or not"?
        1. ancient
          ancient 23 September 2020 18: 16
          +4
          Quote: SoboL
          Is there no indicator for "gun is disabled or not"?

          Unfortunately not request
  15. jovanni
    jovanni 23 September 2020 15: 21
    +2
    Present the honorary badge "Sniper Pilot" ...
    1. Charik
      Charik 23 September 2020 21: 12
      0
      Well, such a "machine" is clearly not an ordinary pilot who flies, either a sniper or whatever "ranks" there are
  16. Pytnik
    Pytnik 23 September 2020 15: 23
    +4
    Quote: vvvjak
    Sometimes the awareness of VO commentators is pleasantly surprising. This version was announced yesterday:

    What are you surprised ... people mean have or had a direct relationship, each person in uniform (even a retiree) still communicates with someone, he still has friends who continue to serve, from this and awareness ... not surprising request
  17. Garris199
    Garris199 23 September 2020 15: 32
    +3
    Such good exercises, the experience gained very real, only an expensive car was ditched and the pilots were almost ditched for a little. Razdolbai.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 23 September 2020 16: 14
      +3
      Such good exercises, the experience gained very real, only an expensive car was ditched and the pilots were almost ditched for a little. Razdolbai.

      Well, actually, this is life. No one is immune from human mistakes, and never. Recently, there was a photo from the exercises where the ATGM flew in on the tank.
      They survived and thank God.
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 September 2020 15: 36
    +1
    Well, you guys give a pancake. lol
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 September 2020 15: 39
    +4
    Do not drink the experience!
  20. Romka47
    Romka47 23 September 2020 15: 43
    +4
    In social networks they write this way: this gun does not discharge itself, during such maneuvers, the technician disconnects some kind of plug, and the pilot needs to check it with a shot to the side. I have never been a pilot just retelling what they write, and they write a lot about this one way or the other (they can repeat each other), therefore the pilot and the technician are to blame (if this is true).
  21. Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 23 September 2020 15: 51
    -4
    If the above is true, then the following versions suggest themselves:
    1. OMS Su-35S crude and stupid, if the pilot is unable to track the presence of ammunition in the stowage;
    2. If the OMS is normal, then the Su-35S pilot is definitely a dropout or a terrible brake. And this is a serious question - who is VVAUL produced?
    3. There was no shell, the board simply "fell" due to a technical malfunction. It happens.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 23 September 2020 16: 11
      +2
      The ammo for the gun is always loaded, the rest was described above, including with a comment from a reliable source.
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 September 2020 17: 07
        +3
        Quote: K-612-O
        BC for the gun is always loaded

        Wto is now written correctly drinks
  22. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 September 2020 15: 51
    +1
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Su-30SM pilots need to go to church, light a candle for the health of the Irkutsk aircraft plant workers

    And for the developers of the ejection seat.
  23. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 September 2020 16: 10
    13
    Nichosi, hot guys from Tver have trained. They also call Chelyabinsk a harsh city ...
    1. ancient
      ancient 23 September 2020 17: 12
      +4
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      hot Tver guys worked out

      Such "training" happens ..... "sometimes" and on different types.
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      They also call Chelyabinsk a harsh city.

      And in which city there is a MCHZ, ChTZ and Almazny, and so on. + Kopeysk "adds its own". crying
  24. fighter angel
    fighter angel 23 September 2020 16: 27
    +4
    Yeah...
    It's good that everyone survived.
    I don’t envy the responsible military technician who released the Su-35S on this ill-fated flight ...
    They can easily be "appointed" guilty, and if they are also judged by the court, they can also be awarded
    pay the "nth" part of the cost of the crashed car ...
    There have already been precedents.
    Today we have a capitalist army, they will strip three skins from the poor fellow ...
  25. Mitroha
    Mitroha 23 September 2020 16: 30
    0
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    The United States Air Force pilots twitched nervously ...

    Reset the voltage or what?))
  26. DeathFromBelow
    DeathFromBelow 23 September 2020 16: 37
    +1
    Did you pour 100 grams for the downed pilot?
  27. rocket757
    rocket757 23 September 2020 16: 37
    0
    If so then ......
    In principle, it happened before, in different ways ...
  28. bar
    bar 23 September 2020 16: 53
    -3
    Remembering the recent discussion of the same topic - will the crew of "snipers" be awarded medals or put on the grandmother for the downed plane?
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 September 2020 17: 22
      +2
      Probably the guilty ones will be put on the article
      And the money - of course.
      1. bar
        bar 23 September 2020 17: 35
        0
        And to deprive the catapulted of the prize for being substituted
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 23 September 2020 17: 58
      0
      Quote: bar
      or put on the headstock for the downed plane?

      don't go to grandma
  29. iouris
    iouris 23 September 2020 17: 01
    +1
    There was such a case in the GSVG: "Seryoga, I knocked you down!" But this is a working moment. It happens.
  30. AVA77
    AVA77 23 September 2020 17: 34
    -1
    If it were my will, I would not know what to do. A flyer and what is a flyer like? reward or punish?
    Beast armorer technician.
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 September 2020 18: 27
      0
      Quote: AVA77
      Beast armorer technician.

      Is this a sentence? What questions about armament: everything worked, the target was destroyed. And the enemy, when he finds out, will run.
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 23 September 2020 19: 03
        +2
        By itself, everything worked normally. The pilot took aim, the cannon worked normally, the catapults worked normally, maybe someone even regularly swore on the air. Only the photo machine should have been working and not the cannon. am
  31. Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 September 2020 17: 44
    +1
    Not a weak fly, if it's true. what It's good that I didn't shoot at the lantern.
  32. 123456789
    123456789 23 September 2020 19: 49
    0
    +1
    [media = https: //youtu.be/aJTec28C034]
    aerobatics of Yuri Vashchuk on the Su 35S MAKS 2019
    [media = https: //youtu.be/rKIPALBDIo4]
    Su 57 as the highlight of the MAKS-2019 program Twin takeoff Shortened landing Group and solo aerobatics
    Su-30SM2. Does Russia need Super-Sukhoi?
    Some time ago, the Chinese edition of the Global Times published a message in which it declared the unconditional advantage of Chinese J-20 aircraft over Su-30 fighters. It is reported that during training events, the pilot of a combat vehicle from the PRC with a score of 17: 0 defeated combat units produced in Russia.


    It is necessary to carry out similar "training measures" laughing Su-30 \ 35 against Su-57, and if the score is confirmed laughing then it will become obvious
    Su-30SM2. Does Russia need Super-Sukhoi?
    soldier
    Reply
    Quote
    A complaint
    123456789
    123456789
    4
    Today, 14: 19

    0
    Meanwhile, at specialized Russian forums, which are often conducted by both combatant and former military pilots, information has appeared that deserves, at least, attention. According to it, the Su-30 was accidentally hit by a Su-35 fighter during a "training battle".

    The wingman on the Su-35S went into the tail of the Su-30M2 and opened fire from his GSh-30-1. But no one told the pilot that the gun was combat-ready (the technician, obviously, forgot to turn off the electric igniter, and the pilot forgot to turn off the weapon)

    - writes an anonymous participant.

    The Su-35S and Su-30M2 practiced aerial combat, the Su-35S was supposed to shoot photos, but instead fired a real volley from a cannon at the 30th and demolished a bit of "plumage". The crew of the 30th successfully ejected, and the pilot of the Su-35S, after everything that happened, was a little shocked.

    - follows from another message.

    This information should be treated with a good degree of skepticism, because the official statement of the press service of the Western Military District contains nothing of the kind. At the same time, the ZVO has not yet named even preliminary reasons for the fall of the Su-30.

    Added: At 12:26 Moscow time on September 23, a source from the Russian news agency TASS confirmed information about an accidental attack against the Su-30.

    Of course, I proposed to conduct training air battles between the Su-30 \ 35 \ 57, so that there was only one Super Sukhoi, but you shouldn't take everything so literally! The key word in my proposal was EDUCATIONAL!
  33. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 September 2020 20: 17
    +2
    Hopefully the ammunition will be carefully checked before the air parade.
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 September 2020 21: 09
      -1
      The reviewer has not checked and will never check. Checked. But you can benefit from this "incident". You have to think - what kind.
    2. Charik
      Charik 23 September 2020 21: 17
      0
      aha, and then suddenly the bomb will come off and fall on someone's head
      1. ancient
        ancient 24 September 2020 11: 06
        +3
        Quote: Charik
        aha, and then suddenly the bomb will come off and fall on someone's head

        All circuits of "emergency discharge b / c" and switches "for explosion - not explosion" are closed with red striped caps and are still legal.
        "Don't touch" and ... nothing will come off wassat
        On the "Main" (it is called correctly the Main switch of the dump circuit ", without access to the power supply unit or to the zone of the aircraft sector) ... don’t even dare to look, let alone turn it on am
        It is written in big letters in the Airplane Flight Manual soldier
        1. Charik
          Charik 24 September 2020 19: 41
          0
          Near Voronezh, the plane dropped a bomb, it fell in the village, there were a couple of victims and material damage, and only 10 km from the nuclear power plant
  34. rruvim
    rruvim 23 September 2020 21: 05
    +1
    Nothing is unusual! In 1989, at the Sary-Shagan training ground, at our electronic warfare site, I watched the firing of a pair of MiG-23 at the barrager. The leader fired R-23 successfully, and the wingman, without waiting for the leader to go into the "shadow", sent two R-23 missiles exactly to his nozzles. Thank God, the pilot ejected, to save him in the Kazakh steppe, whoever did not rush, except for our EW unit. Besides, nobody canceled the "friendly fire".
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 23 September 2020 21: 15
      +1
      I'm sorry! Into the nozzle ...
  35. opuonmed
    opuonmed 24 September 2020 00: 31
    -1
    to know hastily cook or what?
  36. Marine72
    Marine72 24 September 2020 01: 39
    0
    Strange how that .. only cut off the plumage ... imagine a real salvo on the target? we don't know the truth ... are they alive or not ..
  37. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 24 September 2020 04: 03
    +2
    We have fun! In vain the administrator banned mats.
  38. EvilLion
    EvilLion 24 September 2020 09: 04
    +1
    Actually, not the Su-30SM, but the Su-30M2, it's cheaper and not so sorry.

    The case is not unique. The Japanese at one time shot down their F-15 in a training battle, it is believed that this is the only loss of the F-15, from the fire of another aircraft.
  39. Maxim364364
    Maxim364364 24 September 2020 10: 40
    0
    If you really shot down, then how can you not believe in the law of meanness after that, on purpose you won't get exactly that way, and then I put it in the top ten, well at least not in the cabin.
    1. ancient
      ancient 24 September 2020 11: 07
      +5
      Quote: Maksim364364
      you won't get there on purpose

      For this, they teach and train on KBP IA, so that they would ... fall ... and if you do not get ... you will be ... the eternal duty officer at the airfield " wassat
  40. Rage66
    Rage66 24 September 2020 12: 00
    0
    Instead of the click of the photocannon, a rocket was fired ... Thank God, everyone is alive ... Is this carelessness of ground services or sabotage? what