The Navy confirms the collision of the Kazanets MPK with a cargo ship off the coast of Denmark

A Russian warship collided with a civilian container ship on Wednesday. The collision took place in the Øresund Strait between Denmark and Sweden. This was reported by the Danish Ministry of Defense.

According to the Danish military, the incident took place in the area of ​​the Øresund bridge closer to Denmark. The Ice Rose freighter flying the Marshall Islands flag was heading to Gothenburg from St. Petersburg. The cause of the collision has not been established; according to the preliminary version, this was influenced by poor visibility due to thick fog. A Danish Army patrol ship P523, a Swedish tug and a helicopter with rescuers arrived at the scene.

The small anti-submarine ship collided with a refrigerated ship sailing under the flag of the Marshall Islands. There are no casualties or injuries, previously, the ship received minor damage

- said in a statement

As reported, the small anti-submarine ship "Kazanets" in the collision received a small hole above the waterline, none of the frigate's crew members was injured. At the present time, the ship under its own power is sent to Baltiysk to the base fleet... The command of the Baltic Fleet announced the creation of a special commission to determine the cause of the collision.

The small anti-submarine ship "Kazanets" is the second ship in a series of 12 ships of project 1331M, built at the Peene-Werft shipyard in Wolgast (GDR) by order of the USSR Navy. Laid down on January 4, 1985, launched on December 28, 1985. Entered the Baltic Fleet on April 28, 1986.

Displacement standard 865 tons, total 935 tons. Length 75,2 meters, width 9,78 meters, draft 2,65 meters. Full speed 24,5 knots. Cruising range 2500 miles at 12 knots. Swimming autonomy 10 days. Crew of 80 people, including 9 officers.

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[Alexey RA]

Well, after all, the IPC. And then at first they were frightened by the collision of a frigate (one of five) with a tanker.

[Bashkirkhan]

This is a vintage IPC from the times of Mikhail Pyatnisty. It is kept on the water exclusively through the holy spirit and a little more by the law of Archimedes. 35 years, however, is a prohibitive period for the IPC.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

This is a vintage IPC from the times of Mikhail Pyatnisty.

Do we have others?
Our IPC is either from the time of Mikhail Mechenyi, or from the times of the beginning of the reign of Boris the Alcoholic. Although no, I'm lying - on the Black Sea Fleet there is an IPC from the time of dear Yuri Vladimirovich.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Alexey RA

Do we have others?

There are no others, and with this approach, there will be no new OVR corvettes comrades. There will be military-style yachts like 22160 and reed missile gunboats like Buyan-M.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

There are no others, and with this approach, there will be no new OVR corvettes comrades. There will be military-style yachts like the 22160 and missile gunboats like Buyan-M.

There, in addition to the comrades of the admirals, the industry also worked a little. Assembling an PLO ship, having only 16D49 in the original for the power plant, is a little difficult. Gas turbine engine for small ships - no, the zvezdovskaya spark about 112 pots is holy, holy, holy, and it is not there either.

[Bashkirkhan]

The star now still owes money to the Austrians for a new Pulsar engine, which is covered with a female genital organ.
Case No. А40-336984 / 19-12-2475 judging by the site of the Moscow City AU ended with an amicable agreement. Obligations of AVL List GmbH (Austria) to supply the defendant PJSC Zvezda with a V12 Engine for Genset Application PULSAR-M150G on the basis of Contract No. O4002G2 / 06 dated May 13.05.2015, 2500 and two sets of modernized injectors 10001 bar HEINZMANN provided to the Defendant under the Contract No. 2G05 / 07.03.2012 dated 465, are considered terminated from the moment of signing this Amicable Agreement. In total, the total amount owed to AVL List GmbH (Austria) under the Settlement Agreement, recognized by PJSC Zvezda, is 000 (four hundred
sixty-five thousand) euros, which she undertakes to pay.

[Lexus]

Thanks for the info! Cool, you won’t say anything. And the engine yok, and money "stick out". Soon each exit to the sea will be fraught with such "successes" and "changes" will be fraught with either a grandiose (on) "fragile", or an accident / accident / disaster.

All around, in all senses, "imperfections".

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: lexus

And the engine yok, and money "stick out".

“The West tried to bring Russia to its knees, but it continued to lie” p.

[Lexus]

Some "couch" people are quite satisfied with this "state of affairs".

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

The star now owes money to the Austrians for a new Pulsar engine

Bad news, but why minus?
I did not understand this issue, but given the realities of the day, it is somehow easy to believe in it ...
Special. considering that in reality there is no "Pulsar". That is, it may exist somewhere, but experts did not single out the tests of this engine ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

This is a vintage IPC from the times of Mikhail Pyatnisty

And what follows from this? Why did you defecate here? All Soviet weapons for scrap?

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Piramidon

All Soviet weapons for scrap?

These IPC are a project of the 60s, if anything, the years of your youth. This floating guano would have been disposed of long ago if the USSR had not been destroyed. The Soviet Navy has not raped the IPC for so many years.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Quote: Piramidon

All Soviet weapons for scrap?

These IPCs are a 60s project if anything, years of your youth. This floating guano long ago would disposed of, if The USSR was not destroyed. The Soviet Navy has not raped the IPC for so many years.

Don't you think that you use the "would" particle too often? Karl Hampe said (quote) - „Die Geschichte kennt kein Wenn. History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. "And Vladimir Putin expanded this concept for those who, like you, rely on this" WOULD "-" If would grandmother had certain sexual characteristics, she was would grandfather. Politics does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. "
Don't you think that we have been living in the "post-Soviet" time for 30 years and have what we have and, in some way, deserve it with our indifference?

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Piramidon

Don't you think that we have been living in the "post-Soviet" time for 30 years and have what we have and, in some way, deserve it with our indifference?

Take, for example, the corvette 20380 for 2 kilotons, which is already up to 20-25 billion, depending on the configuration and the place of construction. Construction speed 6-7 years per piece. The price of 20380 is determined by the exorbitant cost of REV and the high cost of construction at the Severnaya Verf and the NEA with their crazy invoices. The deadlines are depressingly low labor organization and bureaucracy at these factories. Therefore, the old Soviet IPCs are being raped, which there is nothing to replace with such a pace of construction of corvettes.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

This floating guano would have been disposed of long ago if the USSR had not been destroyed. The Soviet Navy has not raped the IPC for so many years.

And here we will criticize you a little!
You should not idealize the Soviet Navy - it also held on to the ships to the last. Remember the same TFR pr. 50 built during the early corn-grower - they were finally written off only at the very end of the 80s. Or EM pr. 30bis, obsolete at the time of construction, which served until the beginning of the 90s.
EMNIP, some of the ships of the Soviet Navy "left on needles" straight from the overhaul.

[dgonni]

These are the buildings of the GDR. They are strong, although the speed is lower than ours. They have excellently finished salons. Therefore, all the headquarters were based on them. Therefore, they were driven to the seas less and they still have a resource.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: dgonni

They have excellently finished salons. Therefore, all the headquarters were based on them.

Only people can say that. he has never been on it and has never gone to sea.

Quote: dgonni

Therefore, they were driven to the seas less and they still have a resource.

They have long ago worked out the overhaul period. And there was no timely repair ...
This is by the way.
But the discussion of the event is going in the wrong direction.
In case of a navigation incident (collision), they are always guilty - cap, shtühlmann, VO. Then they figure out what exactly the reason is: failure of the materiel, untimely (late) actions (command to the steering wheel, to the cars, their execution - the working out of the GKP / KhM - PEZH-GEM ... or the steering wheel.)
Complex GMU? Low visibility? And what about the radar !? Why couldn't they disperse with the goal? What was the senior on board doing there? If Cap ruled himself, then who sent such Cap into the sea alone (?) ...
But in any situation, the Com of the Fleet will say: - "And where was your commanding foresight !? You should have foreseen, take an amendment for the fool" ... In short, - Cap to answer in full.
Another bad thing: he "does not wriggle out", tk. everything climbed through the "top" (Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - Civil Code of the Navy and further down the sewer pipes) ... The tunic is in the traces of the vital activity of the organism and it will be difficult to get rid of it. If only through a court that establishes the guilt of the refrigerator ...
But, in any case, there is little pleasant in this ... Not only will the reputation costs for the BF, they will also ruin the boy, who has grown up to the telegraph pens and could do a lot of useful things for the Navy ...
But.

[antivirus]

yes, I almost reached the pillars of the bridge. to try the strength of Danish concrete and compare with the Crimean

[Dikson]

Grandpa blindly drove into the refrigerator in the morning ....))) I hope there are no injuries on board ..

[tihonmarine]

According to the Danish military, the incident took place in the area of ​​the Øresund bridge closer to Denmark

Well, what was it to climb to the bridge, follow the Drogden Canal, you are not a supertanker.
This is all from the fact that there is little practice in cruises on international waters: straits and canals.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: tihonmarine

This is all from the fact that there is little practice in cruises on international waters: straits and canals.

Especially in the channels.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Especially in the channels.

I have never seen such a mess, the last time in the 80s, when the Kaliningrad "Tropic" at full speed, with excellent visibility, crashed into the straight coastline of Angola, for a whole year everyone was laughing like stallions.

[Serg65]

Quote: tihonmarine

I have never seen such nonsense, the last time was in the 80s

Slow down ... sailor!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Serg65

Slow down ... sailor!

Greetings, but what have I seen, something more interesting.

[Serg65]

Quote: tihonmarine

and what I have seen, something more interesting.

Yes, the shaft! And much worse !!!

[Rzzz]

It happens. Canal handling is different from "open water" handling. You need a habit. When moving in the canal, you need to look not so much at the bow as at the stern of your steamer.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: rzzz

Canal steering is different from "open water" steering.

Signor remembered about the pilot in any way !?
Alas... about FEED ... your sweetheart ...
Then what is it about !?
And so - to the pilot's teeth and study the swimming mode, train the signalmen, the calculation of the GKP, study the RK, the direction of movement of the FVK / fairway line, landmarks, beacon signs ... currents, take into account the wind ... and so on and so on.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And so - to the pilot's teeth and study the swimming mode, train the signalmen, the calculation of the GKP, study the RK, the direction of movement of the FVK / fairway line, landmarks, beacon signs ... currents, take into account the winds ... and so on, etc.

Not held in high esteem by sailors COLREGs-72. Not their "profile". Then, how to teach civilians from the first days "know, understand and be able to apply" these notorious Collision Regulations...

[pmkemcity]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Not held in high esteem by military sailors COLREG-72

There is someone who, and the "civilians" always turned this COLREG at the helm ... And this is in the last millennium. And now, with universal autopilots, even more so.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: pmkemcity

And this is in the past millennium. And now, with universal autopilots, even more so.

COLREGs 72 - as a law. Mandatory for everyone, as Rule 1 says. And the autopilot has nothing to do with it. As if nothing had happened today, the automatic braking system installed on modern cars, which does not in any way exempt road users from the requirements of traffic rules.

[pmkemcity]

Quote: stalkerwalker

COLREGs 72 - as a law.

The joke is old, of course ...

But, as a rule, there was not even any dialogue with the merchants - they scratch silently about their business, and you spin around them as you want. And about the Chinese junks, of which there are a million in the East and South China seas, I will simply keep silent.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: pmkemcity

But, as a rule, there was not even any dialogue with the hucksters - they scratch silently about their business, and you spin around them as you want

Yeah ...
It is Sound VTS, the Danish Strait Traffic Service, that controls ships sailing across the Sound from Helsingborg-Helsinger in the north to the Blainheim buoy in the south. VHF channels for communication with VTS - 71 and 73.
If there are inadequate navigators on board, who not only cannot send a preliminary report with the route through the strait, but are also unable to report to the Danes via VHF, upon entering the system, then you should not go off your head on the "tradesman" ...
God knows I didn't want to ...
But we, "traders", have such a saying: "In the sea, be afraid of the fisherman and the fool-fighter."

[pmkemcity]

Quote: stalkerwalker

If there are inadequate boatmasters on board

This particular case only confirms the practice - whoever has more, has more rights.

[Serg65]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Not held in high esteem by military sailors COLREG-72

Greetings Ilyich! Well, how can I say ... the ram of the Ulyanosky bridge by Alexander Suvorov, the kiss of Peter Vasev with Admiral Nakhimov in 1986, an identical case with the KKS Berizin and the bulk carrier (the same Odessa one) Captain Soroka in the same 86, fishing trawler KI-8067 lovingly sticks to SKR-86 in 1988 ...
Everywhere there is soil for the cultivation of idiocy!

[Serg65]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Drive to the teeth and learn the swimming mode

Sasha, what if some kind of blockhead with spiders on shoulder straps is on board? And the commander just got his position and is afraid to show his character ... how to be in this case?

[Rzzz]

And here is the pilot. What was said only applied to the video clip above. The pilot won't help you there if you don't know how to steer your own ship.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Navigate to the teeth and study the swimming mode, train signalmen, calculation of the GKP, study the RK, the direction of movement of the FVK / fairway line, landmarks, beacon signs ... currents, take into account the wind ... and so on and so on.

Yes, but all this must be done on the shore, before departure. When you left the pier, you shouldn't think about how to do something. You must know and be able to.

By the way, maybe the reason is too many people on the bridge. Practice shows that in most cases, two people are enough for reliable ship control. In the most difficult - you need a captain, but not to command, but for safety net. When there are a lot of people, as the military likes it, confusion and confusion turns out. Information takes a very long time, and some moments may not be heard at all ..

Everyone remembers how they laughed a year ago, when a Norwegian frigate hit a tanker? So now the situation is one-to-one. But it's not funny anymore.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: rzzz

By the way, maybe the reason is too many people on the bridge. Practice shows that in most cases, two people are enough for reliable ship control. In the most difficult - you need a captain, but not to command, but for safety net. When there are a lot of people, as the military likes it, it turns out to be confusion and confusion

There is such a thing.
In difficult navigation conditions, with a pilot on board, all commands to change course come from the latter.
The captain's task is to organize the navigational service in such a way that all commands given by the pilot, and in his absence by the captain, are correctly understood and correctly executed.
In the presence of other vessels in the area of ​​the proposed navigation, the laid route approved by the master, the COLREG-72 should be observed in its part of compliance with the rules prescribing to give way to both three categories of vessels allocated by the rules, and vessels crossing the course from the starboard side.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, what was it to climb to the bridge, follow the Drogden Canal, you are not a supertanker.

It would be even easier to go through the Big Belt. But it's a 40 mile detour.
No matter how many Drogden walked, each passage is an event. Two rudders are in operation, the muhanik is in the CPU, the helmsman is in place. And yourself - you constantly observe the location visually. When you meet a ship, you pull yourself up to your edge.
This is an experience...

[Serg65]

Quote: stalkerwalker

No matter how much Drogden walked, each passage is an event.

Entering the Dardanelles from the same series!

[Sergei 777]

Laid down on January 4, 1985, launched on December 28, 1985. Entered the Baltic Fleet on April 28, 1986.

We would have built for 4 years and tested 2-3 years.

[tralflot1832]

They'll figure it out, ship collisions always have a surname and title! From the outside, both tried.

[kepmor]

there are not both, but at least three tried ...
on the IPC, there was definitely a senior on board - the commander or the NSh of the brigade / division ... without the "seniority" of the commanders, since the mid-90s, they have not been released on their own, especially into the strait zone ...
judging by the "silence of the lambs" about the conditions and situation at the time of the collision, as well as in which board of the IPC there is a "hole", one can only sympathize with both the "senior" and the commander ... they will be removed from their posts and will have to pay from their own pockets ...

[tralflot1832]

Ours can only be saved if the refrigerator was a failure of the steering gear and then from what state it fell off the course!

[Rzzz]

Quote: tralflot1832

Ours can only be saved if ..

Can't do anything. Both are always to blame for sea clashes.

[tralflot1832]

I remember the case of fishermen went on opposite parallel courses, one to Palmas, another from Palmas. The one from Palmas, everyone drank to death on the bridge. The steering autopilot refused, as the one going to Palmas did not dodge, anyway they drove into the board with all the foolishness, fortunately in the refinery , a couple of meters to the stern and MKO .. The watchmaster died. The one from Palmas is to blame.

[Serg65]

Quote: tralflot1832

who is from Palmas, on the bridge everyone drank to death.

There were noble drinking parties in Palmas!

[tralflot1832]

The rusks flowed like a river, and not only him, whiskey and vodka and, of course, alcohol from Formation. I haven't been to Palmas, I'm all about Santa Cruz.

[Serg65]

I went to Palmas a couple of times and once to Santa Cruz .... the fishermen there annealed it up for an adult, but we changed the awl for whiskey ..

[tralflot1832]

The Swedes. One of the reasons for the collision was that the Russian MRK did not use the AIS system. Are radars already canceled in navigation? Only satellite navigation?

[kepmor]

Believing the Swedes is the same as believing the gypsies ... even those storytellers ...
let our submarines continue to catch ...

[Pavel57]

Drive all the captains through the White Sea-Baltic Canal.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pavel57

Drive all the captains through the White Sea-Baltic Canal.

Yes, even through the Bosphorus, the Dardenelles without a pilot.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: tihonmarine

Yes, even through the Bosphorus, the Dardenelles without a pilot.

I'm afraid the Turks will be against it. They will immediately remember about "Hasan": one pass - minus the Turkish missile boat (TCG Meltem P-325).

[Serg65]

Quote: Alexey RA

I'm afraid the Turks will be against

I don’t know how now, before the warriors didn’t ask for a pilot!

Quote: Alexey RA

They will immediately remember about "Hasan"

And the Turks did not have figs to sleep, they themselves are to blame!

[Galleon]

In the White Sea-Baltic channel, the depth is 5m. Even small warships pass there with difficulty: MRK 1234 pr., On which a classmate served, was dragged in tow with the screws removed - otherwise it would not have passed. A seagoing vessel needs draft for seaworthiness.

[Livonetc]

Quote: tihonmarine

According to the Danish military, the incident took place in the area of ​​the Øresund bridge closer to Denmark

Well, what was it to climb to the bridge, follow the Drogden Canal, you are not a supertanker.
This is all from the fact that there is little practice in cruises on international waters: straits and canals.

Who knows how it was.
But.
"According to the vessel monitoring site, Ice Rose followed the route St. Petersburg - Gothenburg (southwest Sweden). The vessel was supposed to arrive in Gothenburg on September 23 at 22:00 (Moscow time). However, at 10:59 (Moscow time), it changed its course and began to move in a circle, and then in the opposite direction. At the time of the collision, the Ice Rose's speed dropped 12 times - from 3,7 knots (6,7 km / h) to 0,3 knots (0,5 km / h). "

[Galleon]

Looked at Ice Rose track after your comment. Here he is

It seems in terms of speed and path that on the approach to the canal the vessel drifted - speeds from 0,5 to 0 knots, the path seems to be dragging by the current and the wind. Offhand, I did not find the operating mode of the Drogden Canal, but if the refrigerator was standing in the area of ​​accumulation of the caravan, then the "meeting" and contact were completely unintentional and can be explained by an old saying:
Fear the fisherman and the sailor in the sea

[Galleon]

I apologize for the mistake in the comment: instead of

Quote: Galleon

Drogden Canal

of course you have to read Eressun Strait.

[Galleon]

Found the reason Ice Rose could drift - I was waiting for the pilot !!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Galleon

Offhand, I did not find the operating mode of the Drogden Canal, but if the refrigerator was in the area of ​​accumulation of the caravan, then the "meeting" and contact were completely unintentional

There are no restrictions in the Drogden Canal and two-way traffic. You go, in front of Falsterburevov you reported Traffic control, while passing the Drogden lighthouse the same thing. There are three anchorages near Copenhagen. There are waiting for fuel, food, spare parts, you can lie in the drift but not on the lane. (Rather, it was there). Riferok is familiar, we had "Ice Queen" and "Ice Bay" in the same office.

[Evil 55]

I would also like to clarify that he did it there ... It is far from both bases and coastal defense areas ..

[Maalkavianin]

The crew of the container ship will now be made heroes. They will say that they bravely attacked the IPC.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Malkavianin

The crew of the container ship will now be made heroes.

And there could be a Russian crew: even more likely. All sailors go (work) under the flag: just like ships, they can also have any flag. there is no one to blame, not to thank, not to kiss.

[Maalkavianin]

So everyone will be heroes. Why not. :-)

[Ros 56]

And how are they doing with the locators, absolutely no way.

[Kerensky]

Well, yes .. Small anti-submarine can not hear the roar of the bourgeois refrigerator. How was the acoustic watch carried? There are about a hundred engines working ...

[Galleon]

What is an "acoustic watch"? The watch can be carried by a hydroacoustic engineer, but this has nothing to do with it. The watch in the fog was supposed to be carried by the radio operator at the navigation radar, as well as the officer of the watch and the signalman on the bridge. And if in fog and drift - in / the officer must give two long beeps every 2 minutes. And the signalman had to listen to the foggy beeps of other elephants in that zoo so that the elephants did not meet. And they met. Who's guilty? The commander is to blame, always and in everything.

[Kerensky]

What is an "acoustic watch"? The watch can be carried by a hydroacoustic engineer, but this has nothing to do with it.

And then what was this board doing there?

[Galleon]

How did you do what? August-September: all tasks are completed, there is an exit to the sea, the autumn storms have not yet begun. Well, let's go: if you managed to arrange it as a long hike, then work out the tasks, scrape together a bit of currency, go somewhere - Europe, her mother ... not Aden and Socotra.

[Kerensky]

if you managed to arrange it as a long hike, then work out the tasks, scrape together a bit of currency, go somewhere

That is, we do not turn on the GAS, the acoustics are fundamentally overboard? Well, you can go with the radio operator .... Okay, this elephant was drifting, but did the refmachines work?

[donavi49]

Such a colossus butted the GDR IPC

Well, it is still damaged:
Building of MPK "Kazanets" got a hole above the waterline... Now "Kazanets" is returning under its own power to Baltiysk to its base.

[Kushka]

Quote: Dikson

Grandpa blindly drove into the refrigerator in the morning ....))) I hope there are no injuries on board ..

The husband appeared in the evening for the wood, the wife reasonably postponed
showdown until morning. At night he hears - the refrigerator is rag-rag.
He enters the kitchen, and the husband opens the refrigerator door
and says -chef, will you take you to the airport? And so many times.
Looked and okay, in the morning you will answer for everything. In the morning comes
to the kitchen - no husband ..... and no refrigerator!
From the bastard, he says, he persuaded all the same!

[7,62x54]

Laid down in January 85th, entered the fleet in April 86th. The construction speed is impressive. Effective managers have a lot to learn.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: stalkerwalker

Not held in high esteem by military sailors COLREG-72

Greetings Ilyich! Well, how can I say ... the ram of the Ulyanosky bridge by Alexander Suvorov, the kiss of Peter Vasev with Admiral Nakhimov in 1986, an identical case with the KKS Berizin and the bulk carrier (the same Odessa one) Captain Soroka in the same 86, fishing trawler KI-8067 lovingly sticks to SKR-86 in 1988 ...
Everywhere there is soil for the cultivation of idiocy!

The rules for navigating inland waterways and COLREGs still differ.
The case of Captain Vasev and Nakhimov is analyzed in detail, and is cited as an example of sloppiness on the navigating bridge in all radar offices in maritime educational institutions.
The phrase that "COLREGs-72 every navigator (regardless of position) must know, understand, and be able to apply, did not appear out of nowhere.
But the sailors of the Navy are based on a different principle - to fulfill the assigned combat mission.

[Shadow041]

And that there was no radar on the ships, as in the days of Columbus ?!