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Conscript Shamsutdinov, who shot his colleagues, pleads guilty

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Conscript Shamsutdinov, who shot his colleagues, pleads guilty

The preliminary investigation in the criminal case against the conscript serviceman Ramil Shamsutdinov, who shot his colleagues, has been completed, the accused has fully admitted his guilt. This is reported by the Main Military Investigation Department of the RF IC.


Shamsutdinov underwent a comprehensive psychological and psychiatric inpatient examination, which confirmed that he did not suffer from any mental disorders and was fully aware of the danger of his actions, being in his right mind.

The accused pleaded guilty and detailed the circumstances of the crimes committed by him, which were also confirmed during the verification of his testimony on the spot

- stated in the RF IC.

It was established that Shamsutdinov shot his colleagues from the Ak-74M machine gun, which he received on the territory of the training complex for the duty shift. Having received ammunition in the amount of 4 magazines of 30 live rounds each, Shamsutdinov loaded the machine gun and opened fire at the servicemen, aiming at the head, chest and back. It is specified that having used up the first magazine, he attached the second and continued firing.

Assuming that some of the soldiers could survive, the soldier examined them and, finding the wounded, fired additional shots at them.

- stated in the UK.

The indictment in the criminal case was approved, the case was sent for consideration to the 2nd Eastern District Military Court.

Recall that on October 25, 2019, a private conscript Ramil Shamsutdinov opened fire on his colleagues, killing eight people and wounding two. One of the most probable reasons for the execution was called hazing in the unit where Shamsutdinov served.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 23 September 2020 11: 25
    +8
    So he also shot his fellow conscripts.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 23 September 2020 11: 27
      12
      So he also shot his fellow conscripts.

      There are those who justify this execution.
      Well, it is understandable if he shot his offender ... but there were soldiers who were completely innocent of his offenders ... fell under the distribution quite by accident.
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 23 September 2020 11: 30
        30
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        but there were soldiers completely innocent of his offenders

        Which he
        examined and, finding the wounded, fired additional shots at them

        There is no excuse for me.
        1. Maalkavianin
          Maalkavianin 23 September 2020 11: 49
          +1
          He finished it off most likely because he realized that it would not be worse. Apparently the "uninvolved" were all the same involved.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 23 September 2020 19: 45
            +4
            Quote: Malkavianin
            He finished it off most likely because he realized that it would not be worse. Apparently the "uninvolved" were all the same involved.

            And what did the "involved" and "non-involved" have to do so that this eccentric (with the letter M) let them flow, and even after finishing off?
            1. Maalkavianin
              Maalkavianin 23 September 2020 20: 06
              +1
              Apparently, they did something. Or maybe they didn't. For example, they silently agreed with what was happening to the soldier. Well, the savage shooter remembered everything. request
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 12: 32
          +8
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          There is no excuse for me.

          If the situation in the unit was akin to that established in the "zone", then it is unlikely that "the one who was promised to humiliate morally and even ..." had another way out.
          You know, there can be only two reasons for such a crime, the first of which was rejected by the medical commission. It happens that a wolf, having climbed into the corral, cuts all the sheep in a row. Maybe just such a case happened here, when I just wanted to ...
          But I'm inclined to believe that he was simply mocked in a perverted form. Therefore, the "control shots". Another question is, how could it have come to this with live officers?
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 23 September 2020 12: 45
            +5
            So it was about the officers. Lovers of meat. Grandfathers in the wings
          2. Buffet
            Buffet 24 September 2020 22: 17
            +1
            I heard the same thing about this part from my friend who was almost sent there when he served.
      2. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 12: 30
        0
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        but there were soldiers completely innocent of his offenders


        How do you know?
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 23 September 2020 13: 21
          +5
          Quote: The same Lech
          but there were soldiers completely innocent of his offenders


          How do you know?

          Shamsutdinov himself admitted this, and even asked forgiveness for having killed innocent people.
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 13: 22
            -2
            He also said that they were going to rape him, and the officer knew about it. Do you believe that too?
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 23 September 2020 13: 28
              0
              And this is what?
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 13: 29
                -1
                And this is to your trust in the source of information.
                1. Glory1974
                  Glory1974 23 September 2020 13: 46
                  +1
                  In addition to trusting the source of information, there is also an analysis of the situation and simple logic.
                  1. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 14: 19
                    0
                    Of course, all this is there. But you did not answer the question.
                    1. Glory1974
                      Glory1974 24 September 2020 09: 34
                      0
                      I do not believe that pederasty flourished in the unit, all the more so that mass rapes of all young people were put on stream.
                      1. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 24 September 2020 10: 05
                        0
                        Quote: glory1974
                        I do not believe that pederasty flourished in the unit.


                        This is not pederasty. Rape is an act of domination, a show of power.
            2. APASUS
              APASUS 23 September 2020 14: 42
              +1
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              He also said that they were going to rape him, and the officer knew about it. Do you believe that too?

              You look at the facts,
              In the Chita garrison military court today, March 3, Ruslan Mukhatov was sentenced. He was found guilty of hazing in a military unit, where Ramil Shamsutdinov shot ten people.
              Six people are victims in the case of hazing. These include Ramil Shamsutdinov and Yevgeny Grafov, a Tyumen resident who suffered during the execution. During the trial, four victims dropped their claims against Mukhatov, accepting an apology from him and 500 rubles in compensation. Mom Evgeny Grafova did not want to participate in this process - she, as a representative, has no complaints against the defendant. Ruslan Mukhatov was found guilty of violating the statutory rules of relations. He forced the younger ones to exercise for wear and tear, used physical violence against them and insulted them. During the trial, the accused said that his colleagues themselves asked him to "punch the elk," but later admitted his guilt and repented.
              - Ruslan Mukhatov, accused of bullying Ramil Shamsutdinov and other colleagues, was sentenced to 2 years of suspended imprisonment and was fined 30 thousand. Later we will decide what we think about the court's decision. They are not ready to give an assessment yet, - said the lawyer of the victim Ravil Tugushev.
              Earlier, the lawyer Ruslan Nagiyev spoke about another episode of hazing in a military unit. One of the old servicemen extorted money from Ramil Shamsutdinov. He took his bank card from the soldier and withdrew all the money from it.
      3. Hypertension
        Hypertension 23 September 2020 13: 08
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        There are those who justify this execution.

        It is difficult to justify or not to justify without witnessing these events. But think about this: What if a few dozen thugs are now going to scoff at their colleagues? And what if at least a few officers take their heels off the chair and take some action to combat hazing?
        1. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 23 September 2020 14: 25
          -4
          Yes, nothing like that will happen. The troops have already forgotten everything, I give a guarantee
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 September 2020 19: 51
          +3
          Quote: Hyperion
          What if a few dozen thugs are now going to scoff at their colleagues? And what if at least a few officers take their heels off the chair and take some action to combat hazing?

          And so you conclude that KILLING people (even if the "grandfathers" beaten off their heads) is an excuse that the officers will finally get their asses off the chairs?
          Excuse me, but if your son at school is humiliated and beaten by high school students, you, too, take the gun and kill everyone in a crowd? Then the teachers will surely rip their asses off and start to keep order. According to your logic, it turns out that way.
          Excuse me, then the question is for you, are we living in the Wild West?
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 23 September 2020 20: 37
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            And so you conclude that KILLING people (even if the "grandfathers" beaten off their heads) is an excuse that the officers will finally get their asses off the chairs?

            No, I wanted to say that not everything is so simple. Shamsutdinov killed several people and this is a tragedy. But what if by these extreme actions he indirectly helped several other people? In the end, looking back at this situation, someone will not be raped, and someone will not be killed.
            Quote: NEXUS
            Then the teachers will surely rip their asses off and start keeping order. According to your logic, it turns out that way.

            And so, in principle, it turns out in Russia - until the thunder breaks out, the peasant does not cross himself. This is our planida, which means: only after the next emergency, measures to prevent them begin. This is the reality, whether you like it or not.
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 23 September 2020 14: 45
      -3
      This is not hazing but interethnic strife. He is a Nazi.
  2. iouris
    iouris 23 September 2020 11: 26
    +1
    The point is not what he admitted, but what kind of order prevails in the units. This is the crux of the matter. It may turn out that "he is to blame, but he is not to blame."
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 23 September 2020 11: 33
      +5
      what kind of order reigns in the units. This is the crux of the matter. It may turn out that "he is to blame, but he is not to blame."

      Whatever the order in the unit, bringing the matter to the mass execution of colleagues is already beyond the bounds.
      There is no institution of political commissars in the units ... there is no one to keep an eye on young animals torn from their mother's nipples ... what kind of soldier is this who mentally breaks down under any pressure ... this should not be so.
      1. svoit
        svoit 23 September 2020 11: 59
        +2
        Well, this is not about him, the one who shoots at himself breaks down (there are much more such cases), and if at offenders, then there they are
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 23 September 2020 12: 05
          +1
          the one who shoots himself breaks down (there are much more such cases)

          Psychological breakdown in different people manifests itself in different ways ... I have observed this many times when a person is loaded with work to the eyeballs ... who runs ... who demands money ... who refuses to work ... rarely who clenched their teeth goes to the end.
          Mr. Shamsutdinov decided that the Kalashnikov assault rifle was the solution to all his problems ... this is his choice now he is in prison and he has several corpses on his conscience ... he did not kill during an attack ... it made no one better.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 12: 40
            +5
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            rarely who clenched their teeth goes to the end.

            Yes you? Wow, what an experimenter! fellow
            And for the sake of what great goal was it necessary, by clenching his teeth, to carry out “the work entrusted to you”? Observe something - do not roll bags. Did you yourself "grit your teeth" or something else? First it was necessary to find out the reasons, then draw conclusions ...
            By the way, the article does not say anything about this. Hazing is casually mentioned ... But, hazing is not the same.
          2. Graz
            Graz 23 September 2020 17: 10
            +1
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Mr. Shamsutdinov decided that the Kalashnikov assault rifle was the solution to all his problems ... this is his choice now he is in prison and he has several corpses on his conscience ... he did not kill during an attack ... it made no one better.

            absolutely incorrect interpretation, it is always the fault of those who are entrusted with the direct command of this unit and this is not discussed, with such it is necessary at least to remove shoulder straps and without a pension kick in the ass. and if directly involved. then plant
      2. RMT
        RMT 23 September 2020 12: 42
        +1
        And what about the deputies for educational work? The same political officers who changed their names.
      3. Glory1974
        Glory1974 23 September 2020 14: 01
        +4
        There is no institute of political officers in the units ... there is no one to keep an eye on young animals torn from their mother's nipples

        It's not about the political officers. When the guardhouse was canceled in the early 2000s, the number of fistfights by officers increased dramatically.
        Because the last effective punishment for the soldier has disappeared. It was possible to announce the day of arrest, which did not go into service, respectively, to detain the soldier's demobilization. They were really afraid of this. When this disappeared, order began to be kept on fists. Where the officers did not close their eyes to the mess, they themselves had to beat the slobs.
        I went through it myself.
        1. silberwolf88
          silberwolf88 23 September 2020 21: 55
          +2
          I agree with you ... this is how it all happens (I also had to use violence ... but my grandfather in the platoon and in the company was only myself and my political officer) ... fine-minded people remove legal forms of violence against violators of discipline and the Charter (for example guardhouse) and the prosecutor's office never initiates proceedings on refusal to comply with orders ... therefore, the violence does not disappear anywhere ... it just takes other forms ...
          in theory, it is necessary to return 7 types of guardhouses (including a punishment cell for bread and water up to 14 days) without credit for service ... and for those who gain more than 30 days in a year ... six months of disbat automatically ... this will be a good deterrent. ..
          if there is a threat of violence from colleagues ... well, a hotline is widespread ... who did what and when ... then check and official investigation ... with proper organization, this will help ...
      4. iouris
        iouris 23 September 2020 17: 05
        0
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        what kind of soldier is that mentally breaks down under any pressure ... it should not be so.

        It depends on what kind of pressure ... I don't see that this soldier "broke", on the contrary.
        My father said that he was going to become a professional soldier, went to military service with a desire. I hope that the trial will be fair and that all those responsible will be brought to justice. Although it's hard to believe.
        1. your1970
          your1970 23 September 2020 21: 55
          -1
          Quote: iouris
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          what kind of soldier is that mentally breaks down under any pressure ... it should not be so.

          It depends on what kind of pressure ... I don't see that this soldier "broke", on the contrary.
          My father said that he was going to become a professional soldier, went to military service with a desire. I hope that the trial will be fair and that all those responsible will be brought to justice. Although hard to believe.
          - the trial will be over him, he admitted his guilt in the execution, there was no state of passion ...
          Now everything rests against a jury - and they can be found innocent
    2. swnvaleria
      swnvaleria 23 September 2020 11: 41
      0
      Have you played shooters? these are no longer actions in a state of passion, but cold-blooded murder without realizing the consequences, the Soviet system of education, patriotic upbringing where life was valued, destroyed, and now we are reaping the benefits,
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 23 September 2020 12: 09
        +9
        Quote: swnvaleria
        the Soviet education system, patriotic education where life was valued, destroyed, and now we are reaping the benefits,

        This also happened in the USSR.
        And they shot colleagues and chopped them with an ax ...

        Hazing and other non-statutes did not appear with the collapse of the USSR.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 23 September 2020 12: 21
          +7
          Quote: Spade
          Hazing and other non-statutes did not appear with the collapse of the USSR.

          The disbat was not empty ..
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 23 September 2020 13: 29
            +2
            And now it is not empty, but what's the point?

            Even reducing the service life to a year did nothing in this regard. Despite the statements of Serdyukov and the "CM Committee".
            Even in cadet units there is a non-statutory one, where almost all the weather is called up at the same time.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 23 September 2020 13: 33
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              And now it is not empty, but what's the point?

              It will never (in the foreseeable future) be empty, even during the war it was not “empty” .. Without it it will be even worse - the main thing is inevitability. It would be better with this inevitability - there would be fewer such stories ..
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 23 September 2020 13: 41
                0
                Quote: mat-vey
                the main thing is inevitability

                There was an option to achieve it.
                When there was talk about "military police" But this chance was successfully lost.

                No inevitability when there is cover-up. And there will always be concealment under the modern system of evaluating officers.

                The military police could become a parallel system, removing tonsils through the backside. But nevertheless removal. But she didn't. As before, the officers-educators and "helplines" indicated on each bedside table of the daytime did not become.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 23 September 2020 13: 44
                  0
                  Well, that's what we are talking about .... So the top management-command, in principle, suits ..
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 23 September 2020 13: 50
                    -3
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    So, the top management is basically satisfied with it ..

                    So the top management-command stupidly does not know about the problem.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 23 September 2020 13: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      So the top management-command stupidly does not know about the problem.

                      Or maybe just - do not care?
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 23 September 2020 13: 56
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Or maybe just - do not care?

                        Hardly.
                        Why would they get problems out of the blue?

                        No, ignorance is stupid. And the strange passivity of subordinates in communicating to the bosses the consequences of their decisions.
                        And there are many examples, not only of bullying.
                      2. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 23 September 2020 13: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Why would they get problems out of the blue?

                        Are you sure that this is a problem for them? This is not the first time ... and nothing .. not formally - yes ..
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 23 September 2020 16: 20
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Are you sure that this is a problem for them?

                        It is intended.
                        Which car would you prefer to drive, working like a watch, or a bucket of nuts?
                      4. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 23 September 2020 16: 25
                        -1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Which car would you prefer to drive, working like a watch, or a bucket of nuts?

                        Some people can just go ... Especially since it doesn't even smell like a "watch" anywhere ..
                      5. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 23 September 2020 16: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Some people can just ride

                        Such do not climb up

                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Moreover, it doesn't even smell like a watch anywhere ..

                        A "watch" is an ideal. Unattainable, but one must strive for it. A good driver is always unhappy with his car.
                      6. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 23 September 2020 17: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Such do not climb up

                        Come on ... then how the oil price fell, the "machine" began to smoke, smoke and eat butter ..
  3. forester1971
    forester1971 23 September 2020 20: 41
    +1
    In cadet units, a non-statutory person is very rare. Rather an exception.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 24 September 2020 17: 00
      +1
      Quote: Forester1971
      In cadet units, a non-statutory person is very rare. Rather an exception.

      On the contrary.
      In the first year, those who work harder than others appear in the most obligatory order. Who is spreading rot
      Then, on the third course, everything stops.
      1. forester1971
        forester1971 24 September 2020 21: 29
        0
        Now it may be so. When I was studying, we didn't have this. Minor manifestations of non-regulation could only be between courses, and even then rarely.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 12: 44
    -1
    Quote: Spade
    Hazing and other non-statutes did not appear with the collapse of the USSR.

    I agree. There have been cases. It only says that the phenomenon has no social roots.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 September 2020 13: 29
      +4
      "Was" is putting it mildly. I spent all my childhood in military camps.
  • iouris
    iouris 23 September 2020 18: 41
    -2
    In Soviet times, such cases happened regularly. We swam, we know. The commanders of all levels had to explain how they commanded, what criteria they used to evaluate the subordinate commanders. I think that the military prosecutor has long understood everything to tears. And the court is independent. The judges are provided with monetary and other types of allowance for the very "I can not". The matter is small: "start and finish."
  • 210ox
    210ox 23 September 2020 11: 58
    10
    Do you know what order prevails in that part? There are individuals who "cannot be eaten on a lame goat." They perceive the slightest remark extremely painfully, have a high opinion of themselves. This one is. Unfortunately, these types sometimes have weapons in their hands. As far as I know, he was going to continue his military career, to become an Officer .. It's hard to imagine how he would treat his subordinates. If he does not know how to obey.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 September 2020 12: 12
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Unfortunately, these types sometimes have weapons in their hands.

      Not "unfortunately" but "because of the poor work of the training officers"
      The psychologist is obliged to check each composition of the guard.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 12: 48
        +3
        Quote: Spade
        The psychologist is obliged to check each composition of the guard.

        Exactly!!! More than once there were cases when the company commander changed the composition of the guard at the very last moment. It's better to keep an eye out here ...
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 23 September 2020 13: 32
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          More than once there were cases when the company commander at the very last moment changed the composition of the guard

          For this, in fact, it is supposed to give horns. Before lunch, a psychologist had to inform us about the need to replace the guard. For testing to a psychologist in the morning, immediately after the divorce, they were on guard.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 24 September 2020 06: 36
        +1
        Well, I served as an emergency, when the psychologist did not smell. They put anyone on guard, and if there was no one else to put on guard. Here is the case with me ..... I am a breeder. I wake up one type, an old employee. Him in two hours to post. He grunted, they say, put someone younger. I went to report to the map - that LIFT! As a result, a fight breaks out in the room. The three of us (me, the nachkar and the guard from the shift) barely tied this hog, he was trying to get into the gun, the store with cartridges from the bag of the nachkar (the sergeant was with a gun) he had already snatched ...
    2. Dodikson
      Dodikson 23 September 2020 12: 46
      -6
      Do you personally know him, what is your characterization?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 13: 41
        +1
        Quote: Dodikson
        Do you personally know him, what is your characterization?

        Unlike some, I do not give a characterization (by the way, where is it: "Characteristic. The present is given ...", but I make assumptions.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 23 September 2020 14: 39
          -2
          understandably, there is just a personal opinion, but it is presented as an indisputable truth.
          You need a deputy. such talent is lost.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 15: 54
            +4
            Quote: Dodikson
            You need a deputy. such talent is lost.

            I'm not allowed to be a deputy. I don't know how to steal ... wink
    3. iouris
      iouris 23 September 2020 21: 04
      -1
      Quote: 210ox
      Do you know what order prevails in that part?

      This is classified information. There will be sentences, let's start analyzing. In the meantime, everything that is said and written is just speculation.
  • Kaw
    Kaw 23 September 2020 11: 34
    +1
    He probably had a wonderful choice to be raped or to do as he did. Probably all those who condemn him would have acted differently.
    1. sanek45744
      sanek45744 23 September 2020 11: 38
      -7
      What did he do? Like a rat! You probably as well as he is not familiar to deduce a conversation on dictionaries with fists. You are mother's warriors only for something to hide.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 23 September 2020 11: 39
      +6
      in the sense of a choice: to finish off the lying wounded with a control shot or to be raped? to kill those who did not touch him at all, but just ended up on guard with him?
      Your logic could and would work if the above weren't for me ..
      1. svoit
        svoit 23 September 2020 12: 03
        -3
        Those who were indifferent are also accomplices. If a crime is committed in your presence and you pass by, then you are complicit in it. My hut on the edge is not an alibi
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 23 September 2020 13: 18
          -1
          From what has been proven, from facts, not speculation .. they shot the guard .. about the wear and tear that they allegedly prepared for him, except for his words, there was zero evidence .. he had zero physical traces of violence .. why should you believe his words? despite the fact that in order to find an excuse it is a completely logical position.
          what if they just pressed him morally and that's it? as in any men's team there are weak, not necessarily in the army .. why is it certain that this is not so?
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 12: 52
        0
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Your logic could and would work if the above weren't for me ..

        Your arguments would be valid if you were from this guard ... yes
        There is such a state when they finish it off so that “this never happens to anyone and never” ... Then comes the realization of the action ...
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 23 September 2020 13: 26
          +2
          Yuri Vasilyevich, you have already justified him with passion .. why are you 100% sure that he is telling the truth as it was?
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 23 September 2020 11: 41
      0
      He must have had a wonderful choice to be raped

      There is a wonderful answer to rapists with a rifle butt or a bayonet in the balls ... if a man is a fighter he will fight ... a coward shoots stealthily.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 23 September 2020 12: 16
        -5
        Quote: The same Lech
        He must have had a wonderful choice to be raped

        There is a wonderful answer to rapists with a rifle butt or a bayonet in the balls ... if a man is a fighter he will fight ... a coward shoots stealthily.

        Officers? his officers with their grandfathers and assistants wanted to push him after the guard.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 23 September 2020 12: 18
          10
          Officers? his officers with their grandfathers and assistants wanted to push him after the guard.

          Yeah, and you still had a feeling ... yes?
          Everyone has heard and seen with their own ears ... what oh and lie that.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 23 September 2020 12: 24
            -6
            Quote: The same Lech
            Officers? his officers with their grandfathers and assistants wanted to push him after the guard.

            Yeah, and you still had a feeling ... yes?
            Everyone has heard and seen with their own ears ... what oh and lie that.

            I was present when two guys brought the corpse of an officer to the military unit in the trunk, running away from the police. he also wanted to "initiate" them at home. So they banged him and went for a drive in his own car.
            Below I have given the testimony of Shamsutdinov
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 23 September 2020 12: 25
              12
              two boys brought the corpse of an officer to the military unit in the trunk, running away from the police. he also wanted to "initiate" them at home.

              Yeah ... the truth is, the one whom they banged cannot now tell the truth ... and the boys can say anything to get away from punishment ... a well-known fairy tale ... they are children.
              Oh, to lie ... so much illogicality. smile
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 23 September 2020 12: 37
                -4
                Why should they lie, they themselves did not mind. Tax 200r for a soldier in the mid-2000s. And the cadets of the Ministry of Internal Affairs also did not disdain male prostitution. Everyone knew everything and were silent until they began to kill each other. Only these did not agree on the price, and Shamsutdinov did not bring the matter to you know what.
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 23 September 2020 12: 49
                  +7
                  Why should they lie, they themselves did not mind.

                  If you didn't mind why kill? ... all the more why take the corpse to the military unit?
                  Rather, on the contrary, they wanted to move away from the army and killed the intractable officer ... there is no man, no problem ... and you can blame anything on a dead man ... he won't say anything. smile
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      2. Dodikson
        Dodikson 23 September 2020 12: 50
        +3
        and you, I see a brave man, I would have looked at you as if with a butt from a dozen scumbags.
        though ... let me guess - you are hereditary remba and chuck norez in one bottle?
        and Bruce Lee didn't look up to you when he studied Kung Fu (I'm aware of Wing Chun)?
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 23 September 2020 12: 59
          +1
          and you, I see a brave man, I would have looked at you as if with a butt from a dozen scumbags.

          Well the butt didn't have to smile and so 4 dembels had to be brushed off with fists ... they all got into the trash ... my face was swollen like a watermelon in the morning ... well, nothing healed ... but as I understood one thing, if you want to survive, you need not give up under any circumstances circumstances.
          Eh youth youth ... the sea is knee-deep.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 23 September 2020 13: 25
            +2
            and for those who by force and body did not come out what to do? do they have to endure?
            By the way, if a gopota in the park tried to rape your wife and she had a gun, would you demanded to put her in prison too, because she shot innocent people?
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 23 September 2020 14: 07
              -3
              if a gopota in the park tried to rape your wife and she had a pistol, you would have demanded to put her in prison too, because she shot innocent people

              You confuse the relationship in a team, and meeting random people on the street.
              If a normal man in a team, what kind of scumbag is going to rape him?
              But if we meet on the street, there is a few seconds to show who is who.
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 23 September 2020 14: 36
                +2
                and if not even a normal man, then what? maybe he's a nerd or even a sucker in life, so what. now he can be beaten and raped?
                no one has the right to raise a hand against a person just like that. NO ONE .
                otherwise I can turn everything out in words so that your wife and daughter will be to blame for the fact that even during the rape they stained the rapists' clothes and will have to atone for this guilt for 10 years with slavery.
                1. Glory1974
                  Glory1974 24 September 2020 09: 41
                  0
                  and if not even a normal man, then what? maybe he's a nerd or even a sucker in life, so what. now he can be beaten and raped?

                  I didn't say that nerds should be beaten up and mocked. I said that in the men's team there can be quite tough relationships. And in the team there is almost always someone higher and lower in the tacit hierarchy. There are people who have false authority and are secret leaders. This is a fact that you cannot hide from. But I don’t believe in rape in the collective, and, in principle, the criminal case confirms this. Therefore, there is no violence of faith in the words of Shamsutdinov.
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 12: 56
        +3
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        There is a wonderful answer to rapists with a rifle butt or a bayonet in the balls ... if a man is a fighter he will fight ... a coward shoots stealthily.

        Even in sports, there are weight classes. And who would know when and where to fall, and where to lay the straw.
        Fighter, you say? Many fighters were also not cowards ... They are shown on TV in crime reports ...
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 23 September 2020 13: 02
          0
          Fighter, you say? Many fighters weren't cowards either ...

          I've seen enough, let's say, a lot of fights with different weapons, let's say in a shock video (my favorite topic) ... of course you can't foresee everything ... the main thing is to maintain composure and clarity of mind at a critical moment ... Shamsutdinov clearly had neither one nor the other ... he was not ready for military service.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 13: 07
            +3
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            I've seen enough, let's say, a lot of fights with different weapons, let's say in a shock video

            And I saw enough at the service, when "unprepared people" did what the trained did not succeed. It is not known how and who would have behaved in a real combat situation. I hope it was not your subordinate that you gave him an "objective characterization" so soon?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 23 September 2020 13: 09
              +2
              I hope it was not your subordinate that you gave him an "objective characterization" so soon?

              I can be wrong ... I don’t argue ... but still I can’t justify his act ... it’s not like a man to shoot your colleagues on the sly ... in the back ... and even finish off the wounded ... it's all mean.
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 14: 21
                +2
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                It's not like a man to shoot your fellow soldiers on the sly ... in the back ... and to finish off the wounded ... it's all mean.

                I agree. This is when your co-workers. This is when your comrades in the service. And when, as in the film "Thunderstorm Gates" 3 series (from 7:00), I really don't know ... And it also happens that:

                And, most importantly, they were once colleagues ...
                Okay, all this is fiction - the idea of ​​the director of the film ... Although, who knows whose idea it was in that incident last year and who directed it there.
          2. boss
            boss 23 September 2020 18: 25
            0
            Still not ready, it turns out.
            Or the EXISTING relationship in the part was not ready that someone would react in this way to bullying.
            But if the fact of hazing, and it is proven by the investigation, is present, then it is stupid to talk about the readiness or not readiness of a soldier for the army, since in fact, he was not known where with bullying and Zon's concepts.
            Would it be "as expected", would you shoot at your own people?
            So there were enemies in front of him, not colleagues.
            And that is how he evaluated them at that moment.
            And in the face to give or receive, "fighter", the army is not ready, etc., it's all from the evil one
  • Vitas
    Vitas 23 September 2020 11: 34
    +7
    On the good, the military unit where hazing was found is subject to disbandment, commanders and participants in the crimes on trial.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 23 September 2020 12: 12
      -1
      The Ministry of Defense has already decided that by the end of the year the military unit in the village of Gorny, where the tragedy occurred, will be disbanded.
      https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2019/12/19/83219-neustavnoy-rasstrel
    2. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 23 September 2020 14: 51
      0
      nothing good about that. You have probably never been to another part, where the struggle for a place in the sun flares up serious.
      1. Vitas
        Vitas 24 September 2020 06: 08
        0
        So put things in order in YOUR part, so as not to fight for the Sun or the Moon.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 September 2020 11: 36
    0
    He also finished shooting in a donkey way!
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 23 September 2020 11: 40
      -7
      Quote: Captive
      He also finished shooting in a donkey way!

      Those who wanted to rape him
      1. kenig1
        kenig1 23 September 2020 12: 30
        +5
        You were supposed to hold a candle, where is the information from?
      2. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 23 September 2020 14: 54
        +2
        Quote: Tlauicol
        Those who wanted to rape him

        Yes, stop talking about this nonsense. I served in those parts and in a more dashing time. Gomosyatina is not welcome there, all the more so that the officer is in charge of this in general nonsense. Do not confuse you with Moscow, this is a harsh region
  • sanek45744
    sanek45744 23 September 2020 11: 41
    +2
    I think he deserves the death penalty. Somewhere on a black dolphin he will sit for about 25 years about his existence.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 23 September 2020 12: 53
      -3
      I support. but why to him alone. I would have thrown you there too for 20 years.
      and what, to walk like that, if you plant innocent, then those who support those who plant them.
  • Old jew
    Old jew 23 September 2020 11: 51
    +4
    "One of the most probable reasons for the execution was called hazing in the unit where Shamsutdinov served."

    Name and prove are not the same thing. So was there hazing in the unit?
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 September 2020 00: 41
      +1
      was, he was officially recognized as a victim of bullying
  • Alex66
    Alex66 23 September 2020 11: 53
    -3
    Quote: Tlauicol
    Quote: Captive
    He also finished shooting in a donkey way!

    Those who wanted to rape him

    Or maybe something had already been done to him, and he removed all the witnesses of his shame.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 23 September 2020 12: 54
      -1
      quite possible . in the USSR, the loudest such case was with Sakalauskas. he was lowered by the baboons, and after that he shot them
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 23 September 2020 13: 34
      +1
      well, then the wear will definitely prove .. traces remain ..
  • L-39NG
    L-39NG 23 September 2020 11: 54
    +2
    Each person must defend his dignity, no matter if he is humiliated by a crowd or "organization". The use of weapons in self-defense in front of a superior force should be considered the right to self-defense and a better circumstance. Of course, the unit's command is to blame for the incident.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 September 2020 12: 03
      +3
      Quote: L-39NG
      The use of weapons in self-defense against a superior force should be considered the right to self-defense

      They tried to rape him right in the guardhouse, when he had an AK and 4 shops in his hands, and he defended himself? If not, then this is no longer self-defense, but revenge, and the article is different
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 23 September 2020 12: 13
        -4
        “That day they promised to put me down. So they said, they warned that they would rape. The lieutenant told me that day that everything, you know, after the guard, everything will be. All young others have already been lowered to me, I know. And this evening, then, it was my turn - I had nowhere to go, what should I do? "

        In his testimony, the accused also noted that he had no one to complain (“who should I tell if the officers themselves beat me?”), And there was nowhere to run (“everything is closed”). “The only thing is, I'm sorry that I accidentally caught two guys who had nothing to do with it,” added Shamsutdinov.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 23 September 2020 12: 37
          +4
          All young others have already been lowered to me, I know. And this evening, then, it was my turn - I had nowhere to go, what should I do? "

          Now we need to interrogate the lieutenant to make sure of the truthfulness of Shamsutdinov's words ... but the infection the lieutenant was killed by him ... shot point-blank ... the question is ... is Shamsutdinov telling the truth? ... I think he is lying.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 23 September 2020 12: 41
            +2
            It is enough to interview the young on the detector about "This". But they did not do this, and they still do not disentangle it.
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 23 September 2020 12: 44
              +1
              It is enough to interview the young on the detector about "This". But they did not do this, and they still do not disentangle it.

              Lie detector readings are not evidence. smile
              Only the totality of direct irrefutable evidence is proof, and the evidence is as follows ... several corpses stuffed with lead from Shamsutdinov's submachine gun ... with his fingerprints and his direct confession to murder ... evidence that cannot be refuted in any court.
              So he's lying about the threat of rape ... he's lying believably.
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 12: 49
                +1
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                Lie detector readings are not evidence. smile


                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                he lies about the threat of rape


                As I understand it, you are your own lie detector.
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 23 September 2020 12: 56
                  -3
                  yes this one of those who "I do not like his photograph, which means he is definitely to blame"
                  1. Same lech
                    Same lech 23 September 2020 13: 13
                    +1
                    yes this one of those who "I do not like his photograph, which means he is definitely to blame"

                    And you, as I understand it, liked his photo ... then shoot at yours further Shamsutdinov ... shoot more.
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 23 September 2020 13: 22
                      -1
                      Do you have any other arguments besides sympathy for the photo?
                      1. Same lech
                        Same lech 23 September 2020 13: 28
                        +1
                        Do you have any other arguments besides sympathy for the photo?

                        There is smile ... mostly facts.
                        1 fact ... 8 killed ... 2 wounded.
                        2 the fact of the rape of Shamsutdinov by his colleagues was not.
                        3 fact it was not established whether there were any threats of rape to Shamsutdinov ... only his words.
                        4 fact the circumstances of the murder speak of a premeditated murder ... you can't say that about a frightened person ... what motive for the murder then ... I suppose revenge ... and this is another calico.
                        5 the fact of the murder of strangers not related to his conflict.
                      2. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 23 September 2020 13: 38
                        0
                        In general, you have already been told that one of the officers has already been convicted of bullying.
                        Furthermore . Shamsutdinov claims that other soldiers have already been raped.
                        and now this is not difficult to check.
                        and by the way, perhaps it was after such a check that the akhfitser was convicted.

                        and that in the unit this happens, almost everyone who passed the army did not go through computer games.
                      3. Unknown
                        Unknown 23 September 2020 14: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        In general, you have already been told that one of the officers has already been convicted of bullying.
                        Furthermore . Shamsutdinov claims that other soldiers have already been raped.
                        and now this is not difficult to check.
                        and by the way, perhaps it was after such a check that the akhfitser was convicted.

                        and that in the unit this happens, almost everyone who passed the army did not go through computer games.
                        what you say is natural nonsense. in fact, how do you represent it? the officer in the barracks lowers the soldier, how? Have you seen enough of the current series? the army is not a zone, and not a bunch of active fagots. even in the zone such things are not in the order of things. the army is still an army. you blamed the army for the devil knows what. I served 82-84 years and did not hear about such things in the army. But I heard about the zone before the service, the men came from there and said something about the zone and the order there. this hand will have something to compare the time with, he will now feel the difference enough.
                      4. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 15: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Unknown
                        ... I served 82-84 and have never heard of such things in the army


                        If anything, you served 36 years ago. The participants in this story were not even born then.
                      5. Unknown
                        Unknown 23 September 2020 18: 39
                        +2
                        and what has changed in the army? has it turned into an infinite zone? I do not live on another planet, and I am aware of what is happening, both in the country and in the army. As I understand you, now in the army where they serve one year, homosexuality flourishes?
                    2. Avior
                      Avior 24 September 2020 00: 52
                      +1
                      I served in the 80s, such a story was in the BAO, in the Air Force of the Odessa district, the garrison in Limansky, this is near Odessa. Only not the officers, but the grandfathers participated, the officers closed their eyes until one of the youngsters wrote to the "Minister of Defense" and threw them into the civil mailbox.
                      The letter did not reach, the civilians gave it to the district headquarters, since there was no address. There was a big scandal, an order for the district, someone was imprisoned, someone was kicked out of service.
                      People were different then.
                      Although, of course, this cannot be called typical, but hazing, of course, was in one way or another.
                    3. Unknown
                      Unknown 24 September 2020 07: 11
                      +1
                      you know, one thing is hazing, or outside the statutory relationship, another, as it is stated here, is homosexuality on the part of officers and their colleagues. I had to serve in the mvo, uchebka, as well as the turkvo, 40th army, and I am not saying that there was no hazing, it was in one way or another. those cases that could be uncovered, all passed by orders, both according to the MVO, that on the 40th Army, they were read before the formation. but what they write in the comments is almost an unnatural phenomenon, I DO NOT BELIEVE in it. when the term shines on for life, what can you not say to excuse yourself, the same Ephraim does not have to go far for examples.
                    4. Avior
                      Avior 24 September 2020 07: 44
                      0
                      There was just homosexuality on the part of colleagues, I may have put it wrong.
                      Not for pleasure, but for self-affirmation, although maybe for pleasure, I don't know such details.
                      The situation then simply reached a high level, therefore it was revealed, purely by accident. The officers covered the grandfathers and did not allow the young to complain.
                      Anything has happened, although this case is rather not typical.
                    5. Unknown
                      Unknown 24 September 2020 11: 04
                      +1
                      officers, whatever they may be, can cover up outside the charter relationship, for the time being. there is a line that cannot be crossed. the case that you brought, if it took place, is beyond the bounds, it is more dear to hide it, and not every officer will go for it. Such things cannot be hidden, and it is not necessary to write letters to the Minister of Defense. in life, I had to communicate with people who were sitting, and in general, as well as in an enhanced, strict regime, and so, according to their conversations, they lowered, made offended, people for specific deeds, but just like that, this is lawlessness, you can answer for it. but, NEVER have I heard from those who served in my time, and later about such cases in the army.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 23 September 2020 13: 12
    0
    As I understand it, you are your own lie detector.

    Do not understand correctly ... rather, on the contrary, some here believe that Shamsutdinov is an innocent sheep and he was not allowed to shoot people for his immaculate innocence.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 13: 13
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Do not understand correctly.


      Well, for some reason, you think that Shamsutdinov is lying. Somehow you discovered it.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 23 September 2020 13: 15
        -1
        Well, for some reason, you think that Shamsutdinov is lying.

        And on the grounds that those who can refute his words were killed by him personally surreptitiously in the back ... it is logical after all ... the corpse will not say anything in excuse.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 13: 16
          0
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          And on the grounds that those who can refute his words are killed


          Why do you think they could refute his words?
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 23 September 2020 13: 29
          -1
          Why do you think they could refute his words?
          Why can't I think so ... smile your word against my word.
        3. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 14: 50
          0
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Why can't I think so ...


          You can count what you like. But you have avoided answering the question "why" directly.

          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          your word against my word.


          You did not hear my word. But, for the record, I just don't know if the murdered people could have refuted anything. And as already written here, the survivors have already told about a lot.
    2. Dodikson
      Dodikson 23 September 2020 13: 23
      0
      and if they were guilty, if they survived, they would definitely tell the whole truth?
      give a grudge that they would not lie to save their skin?
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 23 September 2020 13: 37
      -2
      and if they were guilty, if they survived, they would definitely tell the whole truth?
      give a grudge that they would not lie to save their skin?

      God alone knows hi but I am not the Lord God ... I hope you won't shoot me in the back for that. smile
    4. Dodikson
      Dodikson 23 September 2020 13: 40
      +1
      no, but you say that it is Shamsutdinov who is to blame, as if you know the truth 100%.
    5. Same lech
      Same lech 23 September 2020 13: 42
      -1
      You assert that it is Shamsutdinov who is to blame, as if you know the truth 100%.

      Well, here you go ... I didn't say that he was to blame, I said that he was lying ... well, I can't believe that a frightened person would kill 8 people in cold blood like that and 2 more wounds ... it is illogical for a frightened person. .. quickly took revenge ... but for what revenge it is necessary to ask him.
    6. Dodikson
      Dodikson 23 September 2020 14: 38
      0
      it is quite possible that he took revenge, but for what he took revenge, there were already hints in the history of our country, read about the Sakalauskas case, and it was still the USSR.
  • krillon
    krillon 23 September 2020 23: 13
    +1
    Okay, let's say it's lying. Then what are the motives? Came to shoot the guard? Have you reviewed the shooter? When I was 83-85, at the outpost there were reports on the districts, and on the fleet, Someone threw a grenade into the tent to the old servicemen, in the navy, in general, some of the young were sawed with a rasp for the fact that in a fight one of the senior soldiers was bitten. This is not the first time. And what, we do not know the other side, when soldiers lay hands on themselves? It's the same every year. But how they report! Hazing has been eradicated !! It seems that there are some agreements, a deal, we will hear more details, obviously dissatisfied with both the investigation and the verdict will be found.
  • Farid Alekperov
    Farid Alekperov 23 September 2020 21: 10
    +2
    However, before serving, Shamsutdinov was positively characterized at the school where he studied, got along well with his classmates, was a patriot, participated in patriotic events, and wanted to serve in the army.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 23 September 2020 12: 52
    -3
    Quote: Tlauicol
    That day they promised to put me down. They said so, warned

    Are you still trying to prove that it was self-defense? Self-defense is, in legal terms, a response to attack (violence). In this case, there was no attack or violence, there was a promise, and you cannot attach an article on self-defense to a promise.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 23 September 2020 13: 16
      +3
      No, there was no self-defense. This is murder. But there was hazing too, some of the living have already confessed and are sitting in this case. The guy had no choice: either with a fork in the eye ...
      1. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 23 September 2020 15: 04
        0
        Quote: Tlauicol
        The guy had no choice: either with a fork in the eye.

        Moving to SOCH was the most ideal way out for him. The main weapon is not to take, so as not to hang the article for ourselves. We had runners, no one returned to the unit after that. He could shoot in the legs and take him hostage. Attract public attention. A more difficult option, but nevertheless public opinion would be on his side. He chose the most Jesuitical method.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 23 September 2020 12: 08
    0
    The use of weapons in self-defense in front of a superior force should be considered the right to self-defense and a better circumstance.
    There was no self-defense here.
    when Shamsutdinov was drafted into the army, one of the psychologists wrote in a medical report: "breakdowns are possible during prolonged extreme psychological stress."

    When the servicemen who were part of the Polish People's Republic received the command "Unload the weapon!" And only after that he began to shoot, and the first people he shot were the officers - Captain Evseev and Senior Lieutenant Pyankov.

    https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2019/12/19/83219-neustavnoy-rasstrel
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 13: 00
    0
    Quote: L-39NG
    should be considered a right to self-defense and feel better circumstance.

    In Russian there is - softening ... yes
    The spring straightened ... And here we, "witnesses of the reports from the scene," are trying to figure out who and how it caught.
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 23 September 2020 11: 59
    10
    Served urgent 1993-1994, until now I want to meet some and beat both Russians and non-Russians with their heads on the asphalt.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 12: 27
    +2
    The accused pleaded guilty and detailed the circumstances of the crimes committed by him, which were also confirmed during the verification of his testimony on the spot


    Did he hide it? He admitted guilt at the very beginning.
  • Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 23 September 2020 13: 24
    0
    Jury trial only ...
    Either guilty or not. If yes, then to the fullest. If not, then ... God will judge him.
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 23 September 2020 14: 09
    +2
    Having received ammunition in the amount of 4 stores of 30 live rounds each, Shamsutdinov loaded the machine gun and opened fire

    Where are the 4 stores of 30 rounds on guard? What nonsense? This is a wearable BC for combat. In the guard there are 2 stores of 10 or 15 rounds.
    Or are there conditions of hostilities?
    1. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 23 September 2020 15: 08
      0
      Quote: glory1974
      Where are the 4 stores of 30 rounds on guard?

      from a camel wassat But seriously, 120 rounds is the shooter's standard ammunition.
      Quote: glory1974
      Or are there conditions of hostilities?

      And why are they on guard?
      1. Avior
        Avior 24 September 2020 00: 32
        +1
        to guard the post.
        2 store
        103. The personnel of the guard must be in guard uniform (Appendix 8), armed with serviceable and normalized combat machine guns with bayonets-knives or carbines with bayonets. Guards at checkpoints may be armed with pistols. The chiefs of the guards and their assistants are armed with their regular weapons.
        The guard is provided with live ammunition on the basis of: for each machine gun and pistol - two loaded magazines; for each carbine - 30 rounds in clips.

        Charter of the Garrison and Guard Service, Chapter 4.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 24 September 2020 09: 48
          0
          to guard the post.
          2 store

          You, too, never stood guard?
          The sentry receives 2 equipped magazines, but depending on the conditions of service, according to the order of the district commander, the magazine is equipped with 10 or 15 cartridges, which does not contradict the regulations. But at the same time, events are impossible as with Shamsutdinov, and in the event of theft of a weapon from a sentry, the criminals have limited ammunition.
          And Shamsutdinov has 4 loaded magazines of 120 rounds. This is a violation of all statutes and regulations.
          1. Avior
            Avior 24 September 2020 09: 56
            0
            I served long enough for the order to change, so my experience is not applicable.
            I wrote that 2 stores, not four, are a requirement of the charter.
            We also had 2.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 24 September 2020 10: 03
              0
              Even if there were 2 stores, where did he get 2 more from? Or have the rules changed again?
              1. Avior
                Avior 24 September 2020 10: 07
                0
                the charter has not changed, but it is clearly indicated there.
                I doubt that someone issued an order in direct violation of the charter.
                And the guard does not need 4 shops, his task is to raise the noise and hold out a little.
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 24 September 2020 09: 44
        0
        But seriously, 120 rounds is the shooter's standard ammunition.

        I'm writing about this.
        And they stand up for the guard with 2 equipped stores. But the store has 10 or 15 rounds.
        If you do not know this, then you have never gone on guard.

        Or are there conditions of hostilities?

        And why are they on guard?

        Have fun. wassat Have you seen about the army on TV?
        1. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 24 September 2020 18: 23
          0
          ahah how funny.
          Quote: glory1974
          Or are there conditions of hostilities?

          And why are they on guard?

          Have fun. Have you seen the army on TV?

          repulsing an armed attack will be considered a military action? Do you propose to the sentry to give 10-15 rounds of ammunition to guard ammunition depots? And what is not a shovel instead of a machine gun? I don’t know about you, but our sentry received four magazines per barrel. Since they guarded the warehouses with weapons of a motorized rifle regiment in the godforsaken ZabVo. And the regiment, at that time, was on constant combat readiness. 70 km from the Chinese border, 272 MTR . Borzya-3
  • ddmm09
    ddmm09 23 September 2020 14: 49
    +2
    [quote = The same LYOKHA] [quote] a coward shoots on the sly. [/ quote]
    Do not judge, but you will not be judged. We do not know the circumstances of this sad event. Everything can be in the fate of any person, it is a pity that everything happened with them.
    I myself have witnessed the actions of individual citizens, with whom it was not even worth talking to, immediately stamping a seal on the scoreboard with my fist. And you say a coward, on the sly ...
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 September 2020 15: 14
    0
    12 GUMOs are getting smaller ... All right, the infantry is the queen of the fields, but here there are very elite troops ..
  • Graz
    Graz 23 September 2020 17: 17
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    for the army and the state, it is not the Shamsudtinovs who carry the greatest harm, but the officers who commanded them
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 24 September 2020 09: 50
      -2
      for the army and the state, it is not the Shamsudtinovs who carry the greatest harm, but the officers who commanded them

      Let's give the country more Shamsutdinovs! Is that what you wanted to say? There are several pieces in each part. Then we'll probably heal.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 24 September 2020 10: 08
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        Quote: glory1974
        Let's give the country more Shamsutdinovs! Is that what you wanted to say? There are several pieces in each part. Then we'll probably heal.


        In the first half of the 90s, there were quite a few cases of the execution of colleagues. Then it somehow came to naught. Maybe it helped for a while?
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 24 September 2020 10: 39
          +1
          In the first half of the 90s, there were quite a few cases of the execution of colleagues. Then it somehow came to naught. Maybe it helped for a while?

          Do you think that before the lawlessness being committed, a criminal studies statistics and draws conclusions about a likely threat? laughing
          As a rule, crimes are committed by people who cannot calculate the consequences of their actions. Therefore, they do not care who shot whom, where. Stops only a direct threat to yourself.
          Therefore, they say that there are people who understand only the language of power.
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 24 September 2020 11: 04
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            Quote: glory1974
            Do you think that before the lawlessness being committed, a criminal studies statistics and draws conclusions about a likely threat? laughing


            He does not study statistics, but of course he heard about the threat.
        2. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 24 September 2020 18: 31
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          in the army now, the military prosecutor's office is working quite well. God forbid, the soldier will get pneumonia, the company officer will be immediately put on a kukan. Shamsutdinov could have moved and nothing would have happened to him. The main thing is without a weapon. Now everyone has telephones. I would have dumped from the part, I would have phoned the trust bodies and that's it ... they would have taken him and he would never have returned to this part
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 September 2020 17: 59
    -2
    That this Shamsutdinov is a primordial scoundrel, I had no doubts from the very beginning of history! I stated it wherever there was an opportunity to state it! I am depressed by another thing ... that there were so many scumbags who justify this bastard! With some I tried to enter into polemics ... I asked them to give serious arguments about the innocence of the criminal, gave my arguments about his guilt ... But "fake you"! These "justifiers" often could not give substantiated justifying arguments or did not "give" anything at all! But they also did not want to consider my accusatory arguments! The logic of the Neanderthals was used ...: I think so ... I want to think so, and my Ndrav cannot be opposed!
  • Lieutenant Ivolgin
    Lieutenant Ivolgin 23 September 2020 18: 03
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    Quote: vkl.47
    This is not hazing but interethnic strife. He is a Nazi.

    And they say "Bandera" or a Latvian nationalist.
  • Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 23 September 2020 19: 16
    -2
    The Soviet experience has taught the Russian Federation nothing.
  • Esso
    Esso 24 September 2020 08: 40
    +1
    Of course, this is the fault of the officers and the unit commander. I am not removing the responsibility of the soldier, he must be punished. But there should be a demand from the officers, they should sit on the dock that they allowed this.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 24 September 2020 11: 39
    -1
    where did you eat the turnip?
  • V1er
    V1er 24 September 2020 16: 45
    +2
    The guy went to the army. Now, most likely, he faces life or 20 years, which does not make a big difference. The lives of young fellow workers are ruined, their own lives are ruined. Who's guilty? Medical commission, recruiting system or order in the unit, officers, privates? Nobody will answer these questions, there is only a sad outcome.