What does the pirate flag over an American destroyer mean - an explanation from the US Navy

Recently, the US Arleigh Burke-class destroyer USS Kidd returned from a cruise under the large pirate flag known as the Jolly Roger. In modern conditions, its appearance above the deck signals a significant achievement received by the ship's crew during deployment.

The widespread use of pirate flags on ships, especially among submariners, dates back to World War I, when they began to be installed on British submarines returning from the sinking of enemy ships. Subsequently, these flags began to indicate the successful completion of missions of a different spectrum, for example, the completion of sea trials.

USS Kidd has returned to its home base in Everett, Washington, after completing a mission to patrol the waters of the East Pacific and Caribbean that started in April this year. The main task assigned to the US Navy ship was the fight against drug trafficking. According to the representatives of the Navy, the ship successfully coped with its mission, taking part in the seizure of 805 kg of cocaine worth $ 30 million.

USS Arizona

Pearl Harbor and the pirates

However, the deployment of the Jolly Roger over the USS Kidd has its own historywhich dates back to Japan's surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. At the time, Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd Sr. was the commander of the first battleship division, chief of staff and assistant battleship commander.

After the start of the Japanese attack, he was aboard his flagship, the Pennsylvania-class battleship USS Arizona, and took part in the battle until the ship exploded after a bomb hit one of the ammunition depots. Rear Admiral Kidd was one of the 1177 crew members who died on the ship. The ship still lies at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, recalling the events of those days.

The Fletcher-class destroyer DD 661 Kidd, commissioned in April 1943, was named after the rear admiral. At the same time, the crew of this ship chose as their mascot the namesake of the Rear Admiral - a Scottish captain who traded in piracy and privateering and was eventually executed in 1701 in England. The destroyer took part in patrolling the waters of the Pacific Ocean, in particular, rescuing downed pilots, and over time, the Jolly Roger began to develop over it. Since its "sacralization" on DD 661 it has been a kind of "talisman" for ships named after the rear admiral.

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[Machete]

Beautifully written historically.

But, as they say, a Freudian slip. How America behaves, such flags are hung ...

[Clear]

Quote: Machete

How America behaves, such flags are hung ...

Why is Roger white? Where is the indignation of the enlightened west? Not tolerant

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Quote: Clear

Why is Roger white? Where is the indignation of the enlightened west?

[Temples]

The crew of this ship chose as their mascot the namesake of the Rear Admiral - a Scottish captain who traded in piracy and privateering and was eventually executed in 1701 in England.

Chosen as the "talisman" of the criminal.

This is the custom among the Anglo-Saxons.

So you can expect a swastika on the ship of those who take Hitler as their "talisman".

The main thing is to vote on the ship for the choice of the "talisman". That would be all democratic.

Damn.

Hitler is a Nazi. He put the Germans (Aryans) above all other people.
Judged by nationality.
He died in 1945.

At this time in the United States, a white person was taller than a black one.
Judging by race.

Why is racism better than Nazism?
Where is the tribunal and the hanged?

But they (liberators) can.?

Devils in Europe and America.

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Quote: Temples

Chosen as the "talisman" of the criminal.

with what fright to-and Isaac Campbell Kidd, who died on the “Arizona” - a criminal? And what does Hitler have to do with it?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Isaac Campbell Kidd, who died on the Arizona - a criminal?

The trouble is the trouble ...

The Fletcher-class destroyer DD 661 Kidd, commissioned in April 1943, was named after the rear admiral. At the same time, the crew of this ship chose as their mascot the namesake of the Rear Admiral - a Scottish captain who traded in piracy and privateering and was eventually executed in 1701 in England.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Hah! We have a whole flagship of the KBF bore the name of the maniac and guillotine lover Zh-P Marat - and nothing, norms.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Temples

So you can expect a swastika on shipyards who will take Hitler as their "talisman".

At the expense of Hitler a mascot or not Hitler, but some Indian ships go under the sign of the svstiki- "Su-va-sti" in translation from Sanskrit means "prosperity, luck".

[Machete]

I agree. Now all pirates are black.
Flaw. They will be reminded.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Machete

I agree. Now all pirates are black.
Flaw. They will be reminded.

Black "Jolly Roger" on a black background will not be visible. Well disguised ...

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Quote: Zoldat_A

Black "Jolly Roger" on a black background will not be visible.

besides, it will be plagiarism))

[halpat]

You can draw a red bloody outline with dripping drops.
That will be good. Black Roger on a black background.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Halpat

You can draw a red bloody outline with dripping drops.
That will be good. Black Roger on a black background.

And the Indians? And what about LGBT people? Red Roger, Rainbow Roger ...

Yes, it is also necessary to take into account the interests of the disabled

They hang the ships with Rogers like garlands - for any politically correct taste ...

[Pavel57]

For every taste. Then it is necessary to ascribe - this is the skull of a negro.

[Zoldat_A]

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For every taste. Then it is necessary to ascribe - this is the skull of a negro.

I've been saying for a long time that the next president of America will be an elderly black lesbian in a wheelchair. So that the whole of America is politically correct and not to infringe on anyone's rights.

[novel66]

unambiguously, two flags are needed - a white Roger on a black background and a black on a white (maybe even yellow will not hurt)

[Romka47]

Uh, but what about the Indians?

[novel66]

Uh, but what about the Indians?

they are terpily ... okay, and red

[Fitter65]

Quote: novel xnumx

definitely, two flags are needed - white Roger on a black background and black on white

Black Roger on blue, and tolerant and true.

[novel66]

not blue but rainbow

[Fitter65]

Quote: novel xnumx

not blue but rainbow

Exactly!

[saveall]

Quote: Clear

Quote: Machete

How America behaves, such flags are hung ...

Why is Roger white? Where is the indignation of the enlightened west? Not tolerant

Roger should be black and the background should be rainbow. Then there will be order. What country are such and pirates ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clear

Why is Roger white?

Disorder, it is necessary to redo the "black skull on a white background".

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clear

Why is Roger white?

It dawned on me that "the life of blacks is more important than white lives", the conclusion is that a black background is Afro-am, and what is painted with white paint is white.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Clear

Why is Roger white?

Because everyone's bones are white.

[Nikolay73]

It's scary to say, BUT, EVERYONE has white bones !!! Ithaki how to live with it now ?!

[antivirus]

this crazy, crazy world ............................................. ..............................................
the kids were playing - sober

[NEXUS]

Quote: Machete

How America behaves, such flags are hung ...

A very correct flag, considering what the United States has been doing for the past 100 years.

[Real Pilot]

But honestly!
They squeezed 805 kg of cocaine from the natives for $ 30 million ... And they celebrate!

[smart ass]

Parade Courage Reward

[Dimy4]

The true essence of this American state and one of its instruments - the navy.

[Grandfather]

What does the pirate flag over an American destroyer mean - an explanation from the US Navy

-state symbol.

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

They have to make this flag for themselves a long time ago)))

[The Siberian barber]

Piracy is a long "legalized" tool of the Anglo-Saxon policy, it is enough to recall the most famous of them, F. Drake, who was awarded the title "sir"
So that the black rag on the destroyer fits well with the local traditions))

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Quote: The Siberian Barber

Piracy is a long "legalized" tool of the Anglo-Saxon policy, it is enough to recall the most famous of them, F. Drake, who was awarded the title "sir"

Yes Yes...
But what about Carsten Rode, a privateer in the service of Ivan the Terrible? And what about the particular corsairs in the service of Catherine?
Or - "well, that's different!" )))

[Sentinel-vs]

They are not even shy. Bandit terrorist state.

[NDR-791]

We need to delve into the documents. According to some European treaty dated 186 ... (I don't remember), ships with a pirate flag are subject to immediate destruction. Perhaps it is about the Mediterranean basin, and if not only about it ... Hang yourself, and do not be offended when it arrives

[Clear]

Quote: NDR-791

ships with a pirate flag are subject to immediate destruction.

So they (USA) the police shoot to kill anyone who has something that looks like a weapon in their hands and it doesn't matter to them whether it's a teenager with a toy pistol.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: NDR-791

ships with a pirate flag are subject to immediate destruction

Not 186 ..., but quite civilized and modern. "United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea", adopted on December 10, 1982.

Article 105
CAPTURE OF A PIRATE SHIP OR A PIRATE AIRCRAFT
On the high seas or anywhere else outside of jurisdiction
of any state, any state can capture
pirate ship or pirate aircraft or ship, or
aircraft captured by piracy and
in the power of pirates, arrest those on this
the ship or aircraft of persons and seize the person on it
property. The judicial institutions of the state that
committed this seizure, may order the imposition of
punishments and determine what measures should be taken in
in respect of such ships, aircraft or property, not
violating the rights of bona fide third parties.

As the saying goes, "Hanging pirates on yards cannot be judged" - put the correct comma.

[NDR-791]

I know about the convention of 10.12.1982/19/1982, so I did not mention it. there is nothing concrete in it. and it could not be because along with the "roger" the red flag was historically considered a pirate. Try to rock the boat at the Union, so they put a comma as they want since then. And in the middle of the XNUMXth century there was a treaty on the Mediterranean. All sorts of Berbers, Moroccans and allied Greeks spread rot on it. And by the way, even such a toothless document as XNUMX. nirazu did not prevent ours from sending Somali brothers to the cuttlefish, and more than once

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: NDR-791

even such a toothless document like 1982. nirazu did not prevent ours from sending Somali brothers to the cuttlefish, and more than once

Of course, it's unpleasant that the 82-year convention is so pale. But, in addition to it, there is a so-called. "established practice" and "case law" so beloved by American courts. It is for them that pirates, who have declared themselves outside the law by their actions, can and should be pirates

Quote: NDR-791

to cuttlefish

for feed.

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Quote: NDR-791

nirazu did not prevent ours from sending Somali brothers to the cuttlefish, and more than once

sorry, but it seems only once - after the release of the tanker "Moscow University".
10 gopniks captured by our marines did not make it to the coast.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NDR-791

We need to delve into the documents. According to some European treaty dated 186 ... (I don't remember), ships with a pirate flag are subject to immediate destruction.

Much earlier. Pirates - these hostes humani generis, that is, "enemies of the human race" - used to be destroyed right in the sea, hung on yards, so that other sea robbers were discouraged. ... As early as the 17th century, the English lawyer Jenkins noted that civilized states proceed from the assumption that "all pirates are outside the law." Therefore, each state is "competent to suppress and eradicate them." And today, the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea does not say anything about the execution of pirates.
And by the way, it was not the first statesmen who began to raise pirate flags when returning to the base. The tradition of returning to base under the pirate flag was introduced into the British fleet by the royal pirate Francis Drake. So those born of pirates will always be pirates, all Anglo-Saxons were pirates, are and will be.

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: NDR-791

According to some European treaty dated 186 ... (I don't remember), ships with a pirate flag are subject to immediate destruction

By the Rules of Navigation on the inland waterways of the Russian Federation, approved by Order No. 129 of October 14.10.2002, 5, by the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation, clause XNUMX, the navigation of vessels on the inland waterways of the Russian Federation registered in the ship register of the Russian Federation or ship book is allowed only under the state flag of the Russian Federation. A ship under the flag of a foreign state may be allowed to sail only by the Decision of the Government of the Russian Federation. In the event that the "pirate flag" is hoisted, the boatmaster will be held administratively liable.
- Administrative liability under Article 11.7 Part 2 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation, entails the imposition of a fine in the amount of 300 to 500 rubles or deprivation of the right to operate the ship for up to 6 months.
According to the International Code of Signals, all flags on the starboard side are flown in a certain sequence. The sequence in which flags are displayed on the port side is not regulated by anything and is carried out at the discretion of the skipper. However, in order to show solidarity between all peoples, it is better to place national flags above the club flags.
There are also prohibitions. These are the "Jolly Roger" and the flag of the Navy of any country on a non-military vessel. Placing a pirate flag is considered bad manners and is in every possible way suppressed in yachting.

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Navigation rules on inland waterways of the Russian Federation

when was the USS Kidd entering the inland waterways of the Russian Federation? What have you dragged the Ministry of Transport and the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation to?

[tralflot1832]

A beautiful fairy tale, and by the way, the title photo of the article, just for lovers of laser weapons. You can't see beyond the tank, don't go, let's go to the instruments.

[APASUS]

How everything in the world turned upside down. Although if you look at it as a symbol of US public policy, then everything seems to be

[tihonmarine]

In modern conditions, its appearance above the deck signals a significant achievement received by the ship's crew during deployment.

The pirate, has always been a pirate, and must be destroyed, the one who raised the Jolly Roger. And what to take from the descendants of the pirates, when they have in their genes to rob, kill.

[Lord of the Sith]

What country, such is the flag.

[English tarantas]

Jolly Roger in the sky
British flag on the body.
Shoots from sawn-off shotguns
A crowd of thugs

[iouris]

That means they will rob again.

[Alien From]

Silly bravado, no more ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

that's it. The sailors are fooling around, and the branch directly breathes out righteous anger.

[Rage66]

"

In modern conditions, its appearance above the deck signals a significant achievement received by the ship's crew during deployment.

Apparently, this time there were no nervous breakdowns among the crew members and reports of dismissal from the fleet.

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Quote: Rage66

Apparently, this time there were no nervous breakdowns among the crew members and reports of dismissal from the fleet.

why should they quit?

[rocket757]

Basically ... they put on what matches them closer ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Weren't you filming the Greyhound cranberries on board?

[Old Orc]

And where else is 195 kg of cocaine. probably carried 1 ton.

[tralflot1832]

I will cool our patriotic fervor a little. Sailors are like children, what they can’t think of to return home to their beloved wives and children, safe and sound, and of course with the money. 10 years left on the same fishing boat. The first flights in the plan, but not very. quickly, the cap's refrigerator in the cabin broke down, before leaving for the voyage, and we repaired it. The next trip is again the same story with the refrigerator, we are repairing this box, the captain on the ship, the king and god. But he is also a person, he also wants to talk We are with the cap, well, very familiar. His words: What did you not earn much on previous flights, what is the problem? Yes, in this fucking refrigerator. If the flight starts with its repair, the flight will not be very good. Cap will solve this problem radically, for tomorrow we order a new refrigerator, we will not leave the Mishukov until we get it. And you know it worked. We received an order of magnitude higher money. The caps passed on this topic to each other. There were no more repairs. Only signed to write off the refrigerators.

[Kerensky]

The Jolly Roger is the flag of the plagued ship. The pirates disguised themselves like that.
And there weren't pirates who signaled the epidemic in the crew. Such a ship was quarantined in the roadstead.

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Quote: Kerensky

Such a ship was quarantined in the roadstead.

over the plague ship in quarantine, just a black flag was raised, without the rogers.

[Kerensky]

over the plague ship in quarantine, just a black flag was raised, without the rogers.

Well, I read that it was included in a set of flags that were checked by the inspectors of the insurers.
Unfortunately, I don't know how now in this sense, everything is changing ...

[surf dude]

What does the pirate flag mean above, etc. etc.
Yes, he does not mean anything, except for Moreman's bravado, youth. The blood is hot, the task is completed, there are women and bars ahead, so have fun. And then all the farts were struck by pirates, y, the true essence, everything according to Freud ... The fleet is strong in traditions. And that's all.

[Mark kalendarov]

The topic of an egg is not worth a damn ... Then let's talk GENERAL about symbolism in the army ... And about drawn sharks on airplanes, drawn aces, about coats of arms on tanks, non-statutory flags on ships and in the infantry ... The topic is huge ...

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Quote: Mark Kalendarov

The topic is not worth a damn ... Then let's talk GENERAL about symbolism in the army

well how? And whine about the pirate essence of the Anglo-Saxons?

[Evil 55]

Rather, the willingness to be pulled up on the yard for all your unforgiven sins ...

[NF68]

This flag is very out of place.

[BLADFROST]

Demons, demons!

[megadeth]

Let him hang the "Jolly Roger" in the Russian Sea (black), then you can probably by all means with special cruelty work on the esm ...