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The insurance association will not insure ships engaged in the Nord Stream 2 project - American threats have affected

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Insurers of marine shipowners are afraid of falling under American sanctions in connection with the situation around the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. Thus, the insurance group IGP & I (Association of Mutual Insurance Clubs) has issued a directive, which refers to the refusal to provide insurance guarantees to shipowners who will use their equipment to complete the gas pipeline.


Recall that at the moment, a section with a length of about 150 km remains unfinished. 97 percent of the work on "SP-2" has already been completed. Investors from different countries, including Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, invested about 10 billion euros in the project.

The members of the association were told that it is impossible to provide the so-called insurance coverage to the ships participating in the activities under the Nord Stream-2 project.

As it turns out, the clubs of insurers will not provide insurance guarantees for the Turkish Stream project either. True, there is also a significant difference here. With regard to the "Turkish Stream" we can talk about its maintenance, since the gas pipeline along the bottom of the Black Sea has already been built. It is planned to extend it across the territory of the countries of Southern Europe, including those that are part of the European Union.

Recall that on the eve of the US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced the formation of a "coalition" that will oppose the "Nord Stream-2". The foundations for the formation of the American coalition are traditional - threats, blackmail against the background of absurd statements about the need to maintain European energy security.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 23 September 2020 06: 45
    +6
    Everything for the energy security of Europe.
    1. Civil
      Civil 23 September 2020 06: 57
      -18 qualifying.
      Thus, the insurance group IGP & I (Association of Mutual Insurance Clubs) has circulated a directive, which refers to the refusal to provide insurance guarantees to shipowners

      Rags, gave up and didn't try. We must not give the coronavirus vaccine to Gayropeans for this. There we have and without a vaccine, according to the most honest Rosstat, mortality is within the margin of error. Nobody takes a sin upon himself, as well as with insurance of ships. lol
      1. svp67
        svp67 23 September 2020 07: 11
        14
        Quote: Civil
        Rags, gave up and didn't try.

        You just don't understand. These companies do not want to lose the much more profitable and vast AMERICAN market, that's all ... Business and nothing personal
        1. Civil
          Civil 23 September 2020 07: 16
          -16 qualifying.
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Civil
          Rags, gave up and didn't try.

          You just don't understand. These companies don't want a much more profitable and vast AMERICAN market, that's all ... Business and nothing personal

          But how is that? But what about the smell of birches and the spirit of the 1945 Victory? Don't they remember? We must bring them to justice for denying Victory.
          1. svp67
            svp67 23 September 2020 07: 22
            +4
            Quote: Civil
            We must bring them to justice for denying Victory.

            And here is it? And if so, then the Americans were the same then among the winners
            1. Civil
              Civil 23 September 2020 07: 36
              -19 qualifying.
              Sarcasm is the last island of freedom. But now Lenin's sarcasm is in the service of the young capitalist republic, the gas pipeline will solve all problems.
              1. hrych
                hrych 23 September 2020 08: 29
                +4
                The best insurance company is a pair of warships with Caliber and Onyx. By the way, Greifswald, where the pipe emerges in the affected area not even with Calibers, but with Onyxes of "Bastion". Yes, that Greifswald is there. From East Prussia "Onyx-M" all the Baltic Sea is under fire. Create an insurance company with the name "Onyx-M".
                Quote: Civil
                Sarcasm is the last island of freedom

                Sarcasm is an interesting word. Some kind of devil began to have a satirical meaning. Its Greek meaning is ... "to rip meat, flesh." A close word for Sarcoma is a meat tumor from the Greek sarcus - meat / flesh and -oma - growth, tumor. Therefore, the word is vile and we use it thoughtlessly. Also, how brutality is used to praise masculine virtues. And brutus is translated from Latin as stupid. Therefore, the best sarcasm is “Onyx-M” again. And it will tear the flesh, it will also fry it.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 23 September 2020 09: 20
                  -2
                  Quote: hrych
                  Create an insurance company with the name "Onyx-M".

                  And there is no need for a new insurance company - the good old State Insurance insures the yachts of "privatizators" - why shouldn't it expand the business?
                  Quite a good business. Ours just start - "Lloyd" will get jealous, ordinary brokers will go to work in Rosgosstrakh. wink
                  1. Rzzz
                    Rzzz 23 September 2020 09: 57
                    +4
                    Rosgos and Ingos have been insuring ships for a long time, they also enter the club, and are obliged to work according to its rules.
                    On the other hand, interested persons may well create their own pocket group that is not part of the club.
                    1. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 23 September 2020 10: 07
                      -1
                      Quote: rzzz
                      interested persons may well create their own pocket group, which is not included in the club

                      Here I am about that.
                      Excellent, in my opinion, an investment of budget money. Not like investing in our passenger car industry sold to foreigners and dying a painful death. I don't remember where I heard
                      People are always ready to part with little in the hope of gaining a lot - then this is a lottery, or in the hope of not losing even more - then this is insurance.
                      My classmate is an owner of an insurance business - she insures legal entities (collectives of enterprises) for medicine. Doesn't cough or complain about life absolutely. It is a pity that the level of her business is not the same, otherwise she would have thrown an idea.
                2. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 23 September 2020 10: 21
                  0
                  Create an insurance company with the name "Onyx-M"
                  There are variants of speaking and catchy names: "Poseidon" (at the same time about the sea), "Vanguard" ...
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 23 September 2020 10: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: abrakadabre
                    There are variants of speaking and catchy names: "Poseidon" (at the same time about the sea), "Vanguard" ...

                    You do not have OSAGO here, but a whole CASCO. Because of the pipe, do not apply the doomsday policy wassat Let's restrict ourselves to a long-range supersonic anti-ship missile with a land mine drinks
                    1. abrakadabre
                      abrakadabre 23 September 2020 10: 43
                      0
                      Quote: hrych
                      You have here not CTP, but a whole CASCO.

                      Okay, persuaded. Let's just transfer insurance functions to the Department of Defense. And let's give carte blanche. wassat
                      And whether it will be anti-ship missiles, Caliber or Iskander, let them choose according to the situation.
                  2. Tavi
                    Tavi 23 September 2020 17: 40
                    0
                    Other options are IP Shoigu KS, IP Miller AB, or LLC "Putin".
                    Well, and quite a cunning move IP Navalny (forced) and let them impose sanctions against him.
        2. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 23 September 2020 07: 41
          +9
          Quote: svp67
          These companies do not want a much more profitable and vast AMERICAN market, that's all ...

          I still apologize wildly, but I can't deny myself the desire to be curious: is it necessary that representatives of insurance companies have a round eye shape?
          1. mark1
            mark1 23 September 2020 07: 49
            +5
            I will aggravate your curiosity - is it necessary that the insurance company is from behind the hill, can it quickly organize its own under Russian jurisdiction (at least for the period of construction, but better on an ongoing basis)?
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 23 September 2020 07: 58
              +7
              Quote: mark1
              Will aggravate your curiosity

              Aggravate - so aggravate! Maybe the Russian government wants to try itself as an insurance organization?
              1. mark1
                mark1 23 September 2020 08: 01
                +4
                Well, yes, under the guarantees of the state, which could be more reliable.
                1. Roman13579
                  Roman13579 23 September 2020 09: 00
                  0
                  Pralno .. and then, in which case - again with our own money to cover the losses ..))
                  1. abrakadabre
                    abrakadabre 23 September 2020 10: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Roman13579
                    Pralno .. and then, in which case - again with our own money to cover the losses ..))

                    If something happens, the state can send collectors. From the Ministry of Defense. The main thing is that right away, at the very beginning, no one doubts that THESE collectors will come. And they will come quickly.
                    1. Roman13579
                      Roman13579 23 September 2020 12: 22
                      +2
                      under state guarantees

                      The state will send collectors to themselves ??)
                      And we, in which case, will pay with our own money and losses, and pay the collectors more wages ..))
              2. Oleg123219307
                Oleg123219307 23 September 2020 08: 09
                -6
                Or maybe just wait for winter, cut off ALL gas, ALL oil and ALL electricity that goes to Europe, and at the same time arrange, on behalf of, for example, the Greens, or Arabs, a couple of dozen terrorist attacks on LNG terminals and storage facilities, their own fields and pipelines from the Middle East? They will freeze there qualitatively, and the fur animal will immediately come to the economy. Perhaps they will sing differently with pinched eggs ... Following the example of Uncle Sam?
                1. Roman13579
                  Roman13579 23 September 2020 09: 14
                  +6
                  They will freeze there qualitatively

                  They talked about kaklov for 6 years .. in the end, they also paid money ..))
                  1. Oleg123219307
                    Oleg123219307 23 September 2020 09: 47
                    -1
                    And this is because we are limited to talking ...
                    1. Roman13579
                      Roman13579 23 September 2020 12: 23
                      +1
                      And they are limited to conversations because it doesn't work otherwise ..
                      Could have done something - did it ..
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 23 September 2020 11: 35
              -1
              And by the way, it can be very necessary.
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 September 2020 08: 20
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          ... These companies don't want a much more profitable and expansive AMERICAN market, that's all ... Business and nothing personal

          This means that Russian companies should be involved in ship insurance, and, in the end, a targeted insurance company should be created for this project.
      2. Roman13579
        Roman13579 23 September 2020 08: 58
        +8
        Rags, gave up and didn't try.

        They are not just rags ..
        They decided that it was more profitable for them - and made a reasonable decision that meets their interests.
        And the rags are those who impose sanctions .. and they shout in response that it is also useful for them .. after all, you can raise the VAT and retirement age in response ..
    2. Karaul73
      Karaul73 23 September 2020 07: 07
      -5
      Yes, she is so safe! For the sake of a great goal, you can spend a couple of million and spend it.
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 23 September 2020 08: 49
      +1
      Yes, there is Rosgosstrakh what you want to insure. Carry money only! And along the way, life insurance will also offer other "useful" services. ... However, when it comes to an insured event, the insurance money will have to be picked up only through the courts and with great difficulty.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 23 September 2020 06: 50
    -1
    The insurance association will not insure ships engaged in the Nord Stream 2 project - American threats have affected

    The rats are fleeing the ship ... whether they are right or not, we'll see.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 23 September 2020 06: 59
      +7
      In the steel industry as part of the green economy, big changes are also coming. The Swedish steel company SSAB, the energy concern Vattenfall and the mining company LKAB inaugurated the first non-fossil fuel-free steel plant - HYBRIT. Instead of coke, it will use hydrogen, moreover, obtained with the help of "alternative energy" (in this case, a hydroelectric power station).
      In traditional steelmaking, carbon in coke reacts with oxygen in iron ore to form carbon dioxide. If hydrogen is used instead of coke, it reacts with the oxygen in the iron ore to form water vapor.

      The plant's capacity is not large by industry standards - about 500 thousand tons of steel per year. Like the whole green economy, this project is also subsidized by the state. The Swedish government has donated 528 million Swedish kronor (52 million euros).
      Production costs of HYBRIT will also be 20-30% higher for the time being than traditional steelmaking processes, and subsidies will cover losses. But everything, as they say, "in the name of saving mankind from greenhouse emissions and global warming." Surely, over time, consumers will be charged with some kind of "hydrogen tax" and they will start to build and modernize such hydrogen metallurgical plants throughout the First World (maybe even in China).

      The steel industry accounts for 5-8% of the world's carbon dioxide emissions, as well as 10-15% of all coal demand. For us and other raw material countries, this means that steelmakers will gradually, within 20-30 years, begin to move away from the use of coal, and we will lose revenue from the sale of coal for export. To understand the scale of the importance of this industry for us: last year Russia exported 204 million tons of coal worth $ 16 billion.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 September 2020 07: 07
        +2
        They have accepted the greening program and will try to implement it.
        It is necessary to CONSIDER all this, build YOUR OWN, SANE ECONOMY and correct relationships with parties t t ... with CLIENTS! Moreover, "beloved wives", at least this way, at least that way, will most likely go into liability over time.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 23 September 2020 07: 25
          +2
          Until a person learns to handle hydrogen safely, this is still a project, although who does not try will not go ahead.
          But there are many questions and problems in this direction.
          And the rest of the "green" energy, besides solar, is still unprofitable and causes greater harm to the environment and requires large energy costs, not to mention the efficiency of this generation.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 September 2020 07: 43
            0
            Quote: K-612-O
            Until a person learns to handle hydrogen safely, this

            They will, they will develop technologies ... in this business they are stubborn, there is armor-piercing lobbying !!! decided to "green", at the same time to punish the rebellious Russia, so they will do !!! Moreover, it will benefit only ONE STRIPED COUNTRY, which started all this for its own benefit !!! by the way, putting a big bolt on all the constraints, protocols and decisions of everyone and everything in advance!
            It will be very "fun", many ... just not striped, which has long been obvious!
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O 23 September 2020 07: 52
              +1
              The question here is that technology has not yet come close to the safe use of hydrogen. There has already been a history of fuel cells, this problem cannot be solved for 40 years.
              And one more problem of hydrogen energy, palladium deficiency.
              So let them fight, their right. But so far, the share of generation on fired fuel dominates and the alternative so far is only hydroelectric and nuclear power plants.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 September 2020 08: 08
                0
                The nuclear power plant turned out to be unacceptable for the Germans. So far, only on THEIR territory, but YET !!!
                There was such infa (I can not vouch for the reliability) that the LAWS of certification of electricity will be introduced, imported too !!! Those. they want / will buy electricity at different prices green - not green, impose restrictions on "dirty energy", protective duties, something else !!! in general, hemorrhoids are still the same for email suppliers. energy internal and external !!!
                I freaked out when I figured it all out! Those. we offer them the same HYDROGEN, but they require a certificate, which indicates how much hydrogen is produced due to "clean energy" and how much due to "dirty" energy !!!
                In general, some part of the geyrope is preparing to live with .... they will not be able to live even with torches, candles, torches, however, digging, soot and so on! And their dreams, to put the accumulators of excess / daytime energy everywhere and use it at night, this is unrealizable nonsense .... yes, they also have no birds, butterflies and other things left, STE all wind generators are chopped into dust !!!
                In general, the "green mold" is having fun, it is unfolding there not childishly !!!
                Boom to see!
      2. K-612-O
        K-612-O 23 September 2020 07: 09
        +4
        This is all fine, of course, and possibly progressive, but ...
        How to get steel without coal in this process? (remember steel is an alloy of iron and carbon)
        How will pig iron production cost without coal?
        This is all great, but only for blast-furnace smelting, which is not the most progressive method.
        In an electric arc furnace and oxygen convector, no coke is needed.
        And most importantly, we mainly supply coal for the energy sector, to the same China, like the Australians, and their share of coal exports is higher.
        So it's still a muddy expensive project.
        And by the way, given that hydrogen is the most dangerous gas, any slightest leak of hydrogen will cause the blast furnace to fly into the air.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 23 September 2020 11: 53
          +4
          How to get steel without coal in this process?
          Steel without coal has been produced for fifty years. Direct reduced iron is produced in the world today over 100 million tons. Since 000, 000 furnaces have been built using Midrex technology alone in 1969 countries.
          The reducing agent is a gas mixture of carbon monoxide and hydrogen, moreover, hydrogen up to 55 percent. And no one flew into the air.
      3. svp67
        svp67 23 September 2020 07: 13
        +3
        Quote: Deniska999
        Instead of coke, hydrogen will be used there, moreover, obtained with the help of "alternative energy"

        That is, there will be almost nothing left for the production of electricity for the consumer .... A smart solution.
        Or have they decided to extinguish the electricity shortage with supplies from abroad?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 23 September 2020 07: 38
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Or have they decided to extinguish the electricity shortage with supplies from abroad?

          They DO it now! Simply due to the decline in production levels, due to the crisis, they, ALMOST, began to have enough "green" energy. But it is not forever and YES, it is very expensive! In the foreseeable future, "clean energy" will not become cheaper and there will be a catastrophic lack of it for everyone and everything ... this is among other problems!
      4. Free wind
        Free wind 23 September 2020 07: 33
        0
        For a start, pig iron is obtained from iron ore.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 23 September 2020 07: 43
          +2
          Quote: Free Wind
          For a start, pig iron is obtained from iron ore.

          That is if with coke ... part of the carbon remains ..
          1. K-612-O
            K-612-O 23 September 2020 07: 55
            +1
            There is no steel without carbon, I say again, it is not in the converter not in the EAF without coal, yes, without coke, but coal is needed.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 23 September 2020 08: 05
              0
              Quote: K-612-O
              There is no steel without carbon

              And this has to do with it? Here about obtaining iron without the carbon method
              1. K-612-O
                K-612-O 23 September 2020 08: 35
                -1
                Steel, an article about steel
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 23 September 2020 08: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: K-612-O
                  Steel, an article about steel

                  "The insurance association will not insure ships engaged in the Nord Stream 2 project - American threats have affected" - where?
                  1. K-612-O
                    K-612-O 23 September 2020 09: 28
                    0
                    Comrade Deniska request
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 23 September 2020 09: 32
                      0
                      Quote: K-612-O
                      Comrade Deniska request

                      Did he squeeze an article, or did he still have a comment? Or what's the difference? And what did he have in the comment? Remind me again?
                2. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 23 September 2020 08: 48
                  +3
                  No, well, emotions are emotions (it's about "-") so where about steel?
            2. mat-vey
              mat-vey 23 September 2020 08: 30
              +1
              In the steel industry as part of the green economy, big changes are also coming. The Swedish steel company SSAB, the energy concern Vattenfall and the mining company LKAB inaugurated the first non-fossil fuel-free steel plant - HYBRIT. Instead of coke, hydrogen will be used there, moreover, obtained with the help of "alternative energy"
        2. K-612-O
          K-612-O 23 September 2020 07: 46
          +2
          Only the share of ore in modern conditions has greatly decreased. The main raw material for steelmakers now is scrap metal, although again the need for pig iron has not gone anywhere either.
      5. mark1
        mark1 23 September 2020 07: 57
        +1
        Quote: Deniska999
        Instead of coke, it will use hydrogen, moreover, obtained with the help of "alternative energy" (in this case, a hydroelectric power station).

        And they will temper metal products made of ecological steel with the urine of a red-haired virgin, and a virgin tax will be introduced on all other methods.
      6. ZAV69
        ZAV69 23 September 2020 08: 41
        +2
        Quote: Deniska999
        To understand the scale of the importance of this industry for us: last year Russia exported 204 million tons of coal worth $ 16 billion.

        How many of them were coking coal? You can't put power-generating coal into a coke oven battery.
        HYBRIT's operating costs will also be at 20-30% higher than traditional steelmaking processes, and subsidies will cover losses.

        This is if there are extra money in the state budget. And when will they be gone? The plant will instantly go bankrupt, then stop. And re-launch it is like a new build.
        But everything, as they say, "in the name of saving mankind from greenhouse emissions and global warming."
        This music sounded while the economy was growing and there was nothing to do with money. Right now, after the epidemic, even the crazy Greta reforged herself and went to school.
      7. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 23 September 2020 10: 32
        0
        Quote: Deniska999
        In traditional steelmaking, carbon in coke reacts with oxygen in iron ore to form carbon dioxide.

        Besides, taking oxygen on itself, carbon prevents oxygen from reacting with iron to form scale. Some of the carbon dissolves in the iron, turning it into a stronger steel.
        Quote: Deniska999
        If hydrogen is used instead of coke, it reacts with oxygen in the iron ore to form water vapor.
        And also part of it dissolves in the resulting steel, which has a very negative effect on its properties. Making it less durable, prone to cracking, etc. And for this, hydrogen must be dissolved in steel quite a bit.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 23 September 2020 11: 03
          0
          Quote: abrakadabre
          And also part of it dissolves in the resulting steel, which has a very negative effect on its properties. Making it less durable, prone to cracking, etc. And for this, hydrogen must be dissolved in steel quite a bit.

          In-in, all my life we ​​fought with hydrogen pollution. And here "with our own pen"
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 24 September 2020 07: 19
            +1
            Well, damn it ... If this is not critical for a steel-3 type construction. For precision alloys, this is a matter of life and death.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 24 September 2020 07: 21
              -1
              Quote: abrakadabre
              Well, damn it ... If this is not critical for a steel-3 type construction. For precision alloys, this is a matter of life and death.

              The manufacturer does not specify for what purposes the customer uses the steel purchased from him ...
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 24 September 2020 07: 25
                0
                It's not about this particular manufacturer, but about the Vikings' wishes to completely transfer ferrous metallurgy to hydrogen. It will also touch steels with a precision composition. Modern industry consumes more and more such steels.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 24 September 2020 07: 27
                  -1
                  To be honest, it was sarcasm ... But seriously - that goodbye to the legendary Swedish steel?
      8. d.zhuk2010
        d.zhuk2010 23 September 2020 18: 25
        +1
        Which of these already established methods of hydrogen production are the Swedes going to use at their hydroelectric power plants: steam reforming of methane and natural gas; coal gasification; electrolysis of water; pyrolysis; partial oxidation;
        biotechnology?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 24 September 2020 07: 22
          -1
          Quote: d.zhuk2010
          Which of these already established methods of hydrogen production are the Swedes going to use at their hydroelectric power plants: steam reforming of methane and natural gas; coal gasification; electrolysis of water; pyrolysis; partial oxidation;
          biotechnology?

          Probably almost all methods do not affect the environment))
  3. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 23 September 2020 06: 52
    +6
    Read this:
    Even foreign insurance companies are not sure of the legality of the methods used by opponents of the SP-2 and suspects the latter of the possible deliberate harm to the ships participating in its completion.
  4. Vita vko
    Vita vko 23 September 2020 06: 56
    +8
    Insurance companies have always been opportunistic. We can only hope for retaliatory sanctions against the activities of the insurance group IGP & I in Russia, unless, of course, they have already bought Russian officials with giblets. Painfully bold and frank statements, probably sure that the losses in Russia will either be small or they will be covered by their American sponsors.
    On good terms, it is high time to put an ultimatum, or gas is supplied to Europe bypassing Ukraine and Poland via Nord Stream 1 and 2, or not at all.
    1. Karaul73
      Karaul73 23 September 2020 07: 12
      +3
      To put ultimutums you need a certain weight. And without European consumers of gas, Russia will fly into this pipe. You don’t make yourself up for nothing.
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 23 September 2020 09: 39
        +2
        Well, in the current conditions it sounds loud, Gazprom generated profits there at current prices, like $ 3 billion, but we have to fight for every dollar, but is the loss so great. Fortunately, the construction of lng terminals and ships began, it probably came to the conclusion that the pipes of the Russian Federation will be tied in a bow in the near future
    2. Roman13579
      Roman13579 23 September 2020 09: 06
      -2
      to hope for retaliatory sanctions against the activities of the insurance group IGP & I in Russia, unless of course they have already bought Russian officials with giblets. Painfully bold and outspoken statements


      Meaning??
      It is clear that they will not lose the American (and then the entire world) market for our sake.
      And any retaliatory sanctions to them will still be less unprofitable than the American ones.
      Any Russian politician understands this very well .. This is the same situation as with Alseas - it is impossible to force them !!
    3. Rzzz
      Rzzz 23 September 2020 10: 17
      0
      Quote: Vita VKO
      We can only hope for retaliatory sanctions against the activities of the insurance group IGP & I in Russia,

      This means "to stop all sea shipping from Russian ports." No other way.
    4. Kronos
      Kronos 23 September 2020 12: 29
      -1
      They can easily replace Russian gas from other sources.
  5. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 September 2020 07: 02
    0
    The insurance association will not insure ships engaged in the Nord Stream 2 project - American threats have affected
    There is no urgent need. There are no pirates in sight, except for the Americans.
    For the sake of profits, the SP-2 project will continue, but direct sabotage by the United States is possible.
    1. Mikhail Ya2
      Mikhail Ya2 23 September 2020 07: 38
      +3
      Without insurance, ships cannot go to sea
  6. nnm
    nnm 23 September 2020 07: 02
    +8
    There is a Gazprom insurer - SOGAZ, even if it insures.
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 23 September 2020 14: 36
      0
      So after the Americans will impose sanctions on the management of Gazprom. And the latter have real estate, bank accounts and other goods abroad!
  7. Escobar
    Escobar 23 September 2020 07: 05
    +2
    Nothing personal, just business, American business selling its gas to Europe
    1. askort154
      askort154 23 September 2020 07: 23
      +1
      Eskobar .....Nothing personal, just business, American business selling its gas to Europe

      It doesn't smell like business here. Naked politics is to prevent Russia from influencing Europe. This is what Merkel proved by offering 1 billion. But the US ignored this proposal.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 23 September 2020 07: 48
        -1
        Quote: askort154
        It doesn't smell like business here. Naked politics - don't give

        "Politics is a concentrated expression of the economy" Everything for the sake of its economy, that is. and protect and promote their financiers and businessmen.
        1. askort154
          askort154 23 September 2020 07: 57
          +1
          mat-vey .."Politics is a concentrated expression of the economy" Everything for the sake of its economy, that is. and protect and promote their financiers and businessmen.

          The economy is one of the levers of politics. China is economically close to the United States,
          and his political influence in the world is much lower. hi
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 23 September 2020 08: 03
            +1
            Quote: askort154
            The economy is one of the levers of politics.

            everything is exactly the opposite - the country has the kind of policy that the economy can provide.
            1. askort154
              askort154 23 September 2020 08: 11
              +4
              mat-vey ..... everything is exactly the opposite - the country has such a policy that the economy can provide.

              Switzerland and Norway have high economic indicators, some of the best in the EU, but what is their weight in world politics ?!
              North Korea is not comparable in economy to them, but in politics it makes even the United States reckon with it.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 23 September 2020 08: 15
                -2
                Quote: askort154
                Switzerland and Norway have high economic indicators, some of the best in the EU, but what is their weight in world politics ?!
                North Korea is not comparable in economy to them, but in politics it makes even the United States reckon with it.

                Are the Swiss and Norwegian economies capable of developing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles?
                1. askort154
                  askort154 23 September 2020 08: 36
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                  mat-vey ..Are the Swiss and Norwegian economies capable of developing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles?

                  So you yourself answered that economics does not rule politics, but is one of the levers. Switzerland has the highest cost of living in the EU, but for the corresponding influence in world politics, it lacks the "atomic bomb". And in the DPRK the economy is much worse, but there are missiles that are dangerous for others.
                  Therefore, it influences world politics, it is reckoned with more than Switzerland. hi
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 23 September 2020 08: 41
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                    Quote: askort154
                    but for the corresponding influence in world politics, it lacks the "atomic bomb".

                    This is precisely because the economy does not allow the creation of an atomic bomb, and therefore there is no policy in Switzerland other than a limitrophic one ...
                    1. askort154
                      askort154 23 September 2020 09: 03
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                      mat-vey ...This is precisely because the economy does not allow the creation of an atomic bomb

                      Switzerland has chosen its political strategy - neutrality. Therefore, she does not need rockets and bombs.
                      The DPRK has been in a deep economic crisis for more than 20 years and has been under sanctions for more than ten years. Therefore, she realized that she would be able to ensure her safety only with a strong army and a missile shield. The economy is below the floor, but there are modern missiles, which prevents the United States from "de-communizing" it. All !
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 23 September 2020 09: 21
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                        Quote: askort154
                        more than ten years under sanctions.

                        So, all the same, a more developed economy allows itself and a tougher policy?
                        And what happened first - the United States became the first economy in the world and after that began to pursue a policy of world hegemon, or vice versa?
                        The Germans first raised their economy, and only then began to conquer the world, or vice versa?
                  2. Free wind
                    Free wind 23 September 2020 08: 48
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                    Who are Koreans influencing with their fatty bass? First you need to refuse from humanitarian aid, but it is delivered, otherwise the Koreans will die of hunger.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 23 September 2020 09: 05
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                      Quote: Free Wind
                      Who are Koreans influencing with their fatty bass?

                      Well, if they did not, then the advanced economy of the world and he is the hegemon of the world so often did not blather about them ... much more often than about Sweden, Switzerland and Norway combined ...
                      1. Free wind
                        Free wind 23 September 2020 16: 11
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                        And who blathers at, most Americans do not know who Utin is, or what North Korea is, together with Eun. They just don't give a damn about the hairy bald man and the fat one.
                      2. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 23 September 2020 16: 13
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                        Quote: Free Wind
                        And who blathers at, most Americans do not know who Utin is, or what North Korea is, together with Eun. They just don't give a damn about the hairy bald man and the fat one.

                        Are you talking about politicians and politics, or about blacks from Harlem?
                      3. Free wind
                        Free wind 23 September 2020 16: 29
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                        There may be ten thousand politicians in the United States, out of more than 260 million people who may have heard about Russia, but do not know about the great duck.
                      4. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 23 September 2020 16: 35
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                        Quote: Free Wind
                        There can be ten thousand politicians in the USA, out of more than 260 million people

                        But they are the ones who are involved in politics ..
        2. Elephant
          Elephant 23 September 2020 14: 41
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          Quote: askort154
          Switzerland and Norway have high economic indicators, some of the best in the EU, but what is their weight in world politics ?!

          Only their share in the world economy is not that large.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 23 September 2020 16: 17
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            Quote: Elephant
            Quote: askort154
            Switzerland and Norway have high economic indicators, some of the best in the EU, but what is their weight in world politics ?!

            Only their share in the world economy is not that large.

            Well, if North Korea did not have to spend money on independence, the economy would provide a much higher standard of living ..
    2. Roman13579
      Roman13579 23 September 2020 09: 09
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      The economy is one of the levers of politics.

      Maybe it's the other way around ??)
      Nobody needs politics by itself ... you can't even wipe yourself with it in the toilet ...
      But everyone needs the economy !! Everybody loves money !!
      So this is just politics - one of the levers of the economy.
      People do politics for the sake of money .. not money for the sake of politics ..
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 23 September 2020 15: 03
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        Quote: Roman13579
        People do politics for the sake of money .. not money for the sake of politics ..

        And with money for the sake of politics !!! Many people can be bought for money. And if not, then for a lot of money to work in the interests of fat cats. The latter promote their people into power structures, which sometimes make clearly anti-popular decisions on privatization, on the allocation of land, etc. As a result, the rich become richer, and the funds spent on politics and politicians pay off.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 23 September 2020 07: 38
    -1
    America has a cry of gas, first place in terms of gas reserves in Qatar, second in Australia.
  • tarabar
    tarabar 23 September 2020 07: 09
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    I don’t understand how these constant dances with insurance of ships, if it’s something similar to CASCO and OSAGO for boats, then why everyone is constantly fixated on some specific insurance companies located where it is known. Why don't our insurers start playing like an adult and enter the niche that competitors are freeing themselves? It is clear that everyone is held for Faberge through lending, but it is possible to create a legal entity in a targeted way that does not go beyond the outer contour either in the legal or in the financial field. In the end, in the event of an insured event, what difference does it make to who will compensate you for the damage, the IGP & I insurance group or ROSNO, for example.
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 September 2020 07: 20
      +3
      I suspect that in order to work in the waterways and enter ports, the ship must be insured by companies that meet certain requirements
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 23 September 2020 10: 37
      +1
      The club does not actually deal with insurance, it is such a get-together of insurance. They confirm the solvency of the insurance companies included in it, and the fact that they work according to certain rules. Accordingly, if some insurance company is not in the club, then it can work, but it is extremely difficult to conclude contracts for the operation of such a vessel.
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 23 September 2020 15: 12
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        To confirm the solvency of the insurance, as an option, the state can guarantee the solvency of the insurance. True, this requires the political will of our rulers. (Political will is the ability of a person (group of people) to act in the direction of a consciously set political goal, while overcoming internal and external obstacles. - Scientific electronic library of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, p. 4.6)
  • K-612-O
    K-612-O 23 September 2020 07: 31
    +4
    And there is very interesting (!!!) news about Turkey.
    The Sultan is already moving out of the gulse.


    Al-Modon publishes an article about Syrian mercenaries in Azerbaijan

    "Ismail, a former fighter of one of the FSA factions operating in the suburb of Idlib, told his family about his intention to go to Azerbaijan as part of the forces prepared by the Syrian opposition at the request of Turkey," the newspaper writes.

    According to the newspaper, SNA terrorists have been trained since mid-August. The commanders are instructed to recruit volunteers from among the former combatants (combat experience is the main condition).

    Al-Modon writes that Syrians are more willing to go to Azerbaijan than to Libya. Because in the first case they will kill Armenians, not Muslims. In addition, as the newspaper writes, for participation in the Azerbaijani campaign, the Turks pay much more than for participation in hostilities on the side of the Libyan PNS.

    The terrorists who agreed to go to Azerbaijan were tempted by the fact that there is relatively calmness there. Unlike a burning Libya.

    According to al-Modon, the first batch of thugs is ready. About a thousand people were trained in a camp near the city of al-Bab (Aleppo).

    Abbas Juma
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 23 September 2020 07: 50
    +2
    And according to the law of the sea, it does not seem to care))) Plus, what prevents to insure in Rosgosstrakh. And at the same time to roll a cart together with those who finance the project - German, French, Dutch and British firms, including Shell and Basf. Let the WTO do business winked
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 23 September 2020 11: 10
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      Quote: Cowbra
      Plus what prevents you from insuring with Rosgosstrakh

      Rosgos is also a member of the club. And if they have a dilemma - to refuse Gazprom, or fly out of the club, with the loss of all new contracts (the old ones will be valid) - well, I don't even know what they will decide ... request request request
  • Dikson
    Dikson 23 September 2020 08: 09
    -1
    Steamers without insurance will have problems with entry and servicing in ports .. and then some "gape fisherman" or someone else will crash into a terribly expensive stacker ship at night or in the fog .. so what? Nobody will pay for this and it will be practically useless to go to the courts ..
  • APASUS
    APASUS 23 September 2020 08: 48
    -1
    Using Russian gas and cursing it is a worthy position Not those are called women of easy virtue ............!
  • Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 23 September 2020 08: 49
    -5
    Can't keep building now?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 September 2020 08: 53
    -1
    Americans are clearing the LNG market in Europe. GDP to what extent they have fallen is the only quick way to build it up. Here's another country for a gas-powered bottle, especially in terms of other goods, China has pulled ahead. the life-giving virus makes, and the elections are on the nose. hi
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 23 September 2020 09: 28
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    Insurers reinsured themselves out of fear ...
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  • iouris
    iouris 23 September 2020 09: 39
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    Only a nuclear-armed corporation is autonomous and competitive enough to survive. This means that it is urgently necessary to restore the state as a huge corporation on a vast territory. The USSR was such a corporation.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 23 September 2020 17: 00
    0
    Do ships have no insurance now?
  • Lexus
    Lexus 23 September 2020 20: 32
    0
    "Insure, insure brother, insure ..." (C) from the song "Basta / Noggano"

    For a long time, "The Face Deceived by Hooligans" pays for everything. He - "tolerated", a simple "settler". They wanted to spit on the "priority of Russian law" compradors, especially those who are "friends of a friend".