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F-35 will be deprived of stealth? Western press on the sale of a fighter to the Middle East

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The newest American fighter, the F-35, is positioned by the United States as the most efficient aircraft in its class. One of its key advantages is called its "invisibility" for the radar of a potential enemy. However, Washington is ready to deprive this aircraft of stealth capabilities for the sake of Israeli interests.


According to the Western press, the United States and the UAE hope to conclude an initial agreement to sell the F-35 by December this year. At the same time, the administration of the head of the White House, Donald Trump, is exploring the possibility of not losing sight of Israel's interests when drawing up the agreement.

As part of its partnership with Israel, Washington has pledged on sales weapons in the Middle East, to prevent Israel from losing "high-quality military superiority"; its neighbors should receive combat systems at a lower level - aircraft devoid of stealth.

According to sources in the Western press, in this regard, the possibility of making the F-35 more visible to Israeli radar systems is being studied. At the same time, it is not known in what way this will be achieved: by reducing the characteristics of aircraft supplied by the UAE, or by transferring more advanced radars to Israel.

According to a number of experts, if we are still talking about a special "adaptation" of the F-35 for the UAE, depriving it of secrecy, then a logical question arises: does it have one at all?
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 23 September 2020 05: 48
    +3
    The miracle won't paint with paint and that's it
    1. grandfather_Kostya
      grandfather_Kostya 23 September 2020 06: 27
      +2
      The crumpled wings will be delivered.
      1. hrych
        hrych 23 September 2020 08: 00
        +3
        Quote: grandfather_Kostya
        Crumpled wings will put

        Avionics is such a thing, you lay the algorithm and go. Though external control, even self-destruction, anything. Sea options. The first bell ... for everyone is the remote shutdown of Saddam's electronic systems. Realizing this, many people buy aviation equipment and air defense systems, both from the Americans and from us. To reduce the risk. A typical example is Turkey and especially India.
        1. Stalllker
          Stalllker 23 September 2020 08: 31
          +1
          This is at least a reasonable approach.
          1. hrych
            hrych 23 September 2020 08: 51
            +2
            That there is a fighter, now the engine of a hijacked Mercedes of a representative class is turned off remotely. And the insidious Americans will not leave themselves a loophole ...
            1. Stalllker
              Stalllker 23 September 2020 10: 24
              +2
              They just need to turn off their GPS, without any loopholes in the engine
              1. hrych
                hrych 23 September 2020 10: 31
                0
                Well no. Navigation used to do without it. Here it is necessary to deprive the opportunity to attack, and preferably self-destruct.
                1. Stalllker
                  Stalllker 24 September 2020 01: 55
                  0
                  How will you attack if you don't know where you are? And an air-to-surface missile "don't know where to fly?"
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 24 September 2020 06: 20
                    0
                    Quote: Stalllker
                    How will you attack if you don't know where you are?

                    Again, hello, we fought for several millennia and knew where they were, but you got lost. Tie up with gadgets wassat
                    On the map and landmarks so-so, because there were no navigators before. Before the battle, a meeting, the commanders are given the task and forward. Tanks move in battle formation and the commander controls and commands the crew through observation devices. And Chapay watches from the mountain and sends messengers laughing
                    Quote: Stalllker
                    And an air-to-surface missile "don't know where to fly?"

                    Wherever she is directed, there she will fly. Until now, there are hundreds, if not thousands of conventional ammunition for one high-precision, corrected, and even more so homing ammunition. Those. took aim and ... missed wassat With an exchange of nuclear strikes, the already limited number of high-precision weapons will hardly work. Therefore, learn to read maps, use a compass, read a semaphore, both flag and searchlight. Learn Morse Code ...
                    1. Stalllker
                      Stalllker 24 September 2020 07: 14
                      -1
                      Of course, instead of a positioning chip in the Kyrgyz Republic, we will glue a compass for a moment, and a map on an adhesive tape to the tail. And everything is normal
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 24 September 2020 07: 44
                        0
                        A nuclear war is fleeting, but the world after the exchange of strikes will not be the same. Your gadget will cease to exist, possibly together with you. And the most effective weapon of the post-apocalypse is the tank. But it will work according to the principles of the beginning of WWII, or even earlier.
                      2. Stalllker
                        Stalllker 24 September 2020 08: 11
                        -1
                        What does nuclear war have to do with it? She will not be
                      3. hrych
                        hrych 24 September 2020 09: 30
                        +1
                        Maybe it won't, but everyone is preparing for it.
                  2. gvozdan
                    gvozdan 24 September 2020 17: 46
                    +1
                    Have you heard about inertial navigation systems?
                2. Wildgoose
                  Wildgoose 24 September 2020 17: 51
                  +1
                  1944, the 715th joint venture and the 88th separate tank regiment to the left of Alakurtti in the Kandalaksha direction come. A day later, it turns out that ordinary walkie-talkies do not work behind the hills, they brought in American radio-transmitters. Further it turned out that the commanders have radio fears, and the messenger system on motorcycles is at least 4 hours late. The leadership of the corps was forced to issue an order "obligating the use of radios," they sent an intelligent officer from us. Communications, who twisted their tails and taught them how to fight by radio during the period of the b / d.
                  Any great plans fall apart when faced with reality.
      2. vVvAD
        vVvAD 23 September 2020 09: 23
        +1
        And then it makes sense to pay for them if they lose their main "chip".
        Quote: Senka Naughty
        You will forgive the pathos but "shit pops up".

        Uh-huh. It's better to buy a suitable 4th generation fighter with new avionics - both more maneuverable and cheaper (both in purchase and in maintenance). Or upgrade the existing ones - then retraining will be minimal.
        1. Stalllker
          Stalllker 23 September 2020 10: 26
          0
          And where do I say about "to drink for a naked fu 35"?
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 15: 10
      0
      Quote: hrych
      The first bell ... for everyone is the remote shutdown of Saddam's electronic systems.


      It is a myth.
      1. hrych
        hrych 23 September 2020 17: 32
        +1
        Hiroshima and Nagasaki are also myths. It was not this wassat
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 23 September 2020 17: 44
          0
          As you say.
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 23 September 2020 06: 56
    +3
    You will forgive the pathos but "shit pops up".
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 23 September 2020 10: 02
    +2
    She will fly there and so in a week, and the Arabs will not repaint.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 September 2020 06: 00
    +2
    F-35 will be deprived of stealth? Western press on the sale of a fighter to the Middle East
    Loot won everything! request
    Then the UAE and made peace with Israel request
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 23 September 2020 06: 01
    0
    add an "E" at the end to the F-35.
  • Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 23 September 2020 06: 05
    +1
    The F-35 is another tricky marketing ploy of the Americans, what is it and what they are experts in, how to make candy out of shit and push it into the market. Interestingly, American companies can increase their capitalization simply with the help of beautiful video clips, the story of the Nikola electric truck is an example of this.
    1. Stalllker
      Stalllker 23 September 2020 08: 33
      +1
      It would be nice to fill up this "marketing candy"
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 September 2020 08: 51
      -2
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      The F-35 is another tricky marketing ploy of the Americans, what is it and what they are experts in, how to make candy out of shit and push it to the market.

      I wonder when this "candy" will be tasted, who will buy it?
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 23 September 2020 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      F-35 is another tricky marketing ploy of Americans

      At the very beginning of the 90s, an acquaintance of mine worked at a crumbling radio factory, which previously produced televisions for the entire USSR. They did not pay salaries for six months and so on ... When I asked him - "Why are you sitting there without a salary?", He replied that he would pay, if only he would not be kicked out. And the business is that he had a "business". He has been soldering something all his adult life. So he was dragging from there full pockets of radio parts. I bought an imported tape recorder at a thrift store, pulled out the insides of it, stuck it almost into a parcel box (I myself saw a reel Sharp in a plywood box at his house) and sold it to "those who understand." And he filled the vacated corporate "box" with entrails at his discretion and handed over to the same commission shops or went with them to the clothing market (we had it in 15 minutes by train) and shoved it there. The profit is clear.

      I mean, the Americans, like that friend of mine, will keep the "box", and stuff anything inside, "if only it rattles" - we, too, in the late 80s and early 90s, the people are not particularly in "High -Fayakh "understood, cheap sausages" - two-cassettes for terrible money bought. And the sheikhs will give them a ride - the "box" is beautiful, the money is huge. And how does it work - why should they, to fight something with someone? Don't give a damn what's inside ... Moreover, American "sales consultants" will be able to drive over the ears as it should.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 23 September 2020 06: 20
    +4
    At the same time, it is not known in what way this will be achieved:

    Lightweight. Stop lying that he is generally stealth))) By the way. from the new one:
    Opeya continues with a neutral gas generator for pressurizing tanks on the "Little Drystun" - the Dutch have banned F-35 flights in a thunderstorm. It’s unprecedented, history has been going on since the beginning of the tests ... But this time the reason is not actually miscalculations in the design of the system, but defects in the pipelines of the neutral gas system. And without pressurization there is a risk of an explosion of the tank from static electricity - a composite plane (when the Japanese F-35 disappeared in a thunderstorm, it disappeared, did not even have time to fart for orientation, there was a great suspicion that it was "it"; then, however, they blamed on pilot). At first, pipeline defects were found in four F-35s; during further checks, more were found, including in the Dutch F-35s. The causes of the defects are still being investigated. In general, to fly past thunderclouds is low (and when was it possible?), To cover the plane in the parking lots, or to put lightning rods next to it ... (the Marines have long bought "mobile" lightning rods, and for the Dutch - an opening!)
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 23 September 2020 06: 20
    +6
    Pancake. These write, those write. fool Why does the UAE need this machine without stealth? They could have bought the F-15X too. No, if the UAE gets the F-35 model, then it will be fully functional.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 23 September 2020 06: 51
      +1
      Why does the UAE need this machine without stealth?
      Because it is more expensive than the F-15. Both by itself and in operation. This means it will bring more money to America. Therefore, they will force to buy it.
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 23 September 2020 06: 57
        -2
        it is just cheaper than f-15
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 23 September 2020 07: 46
          0
          Because the tripods are cheating. They often indicate the cost of the plane WITHOUT the engine. And still, the promised 70 lam / piece does not fit
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 23 September 2020 09: 21
            +2
            The price of the F35A is less than 100 million. F15EX is 130-160 million dollars.
            Engine price:
            For F35A F135-PW-100, US $ 13.3M
            For F35B F135-PW-600, US $ 19.05M
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 23 September 2020 07: 26
        +3
        Quote: abrakadabre
        Why does the UAE need this machine without stealth?
        Because it is more expensive than the F-15. Both by itself and in operation. This means it will bring more money to America. Therefore, they will force to buy it.

        You should have looked at the price tag before writing this.
    2. askort154
      askort154 23 September 2020 06: 53
      +3
      Arab sheikhs, fattened on oil and gas, love to "show off" in front of each other - who has a cooler "technical toy" or a skyscraper. Previously, they arranged horse races on camels, then on jeeps and tanks. Now they switched to aviation.
    3. zwlad
      zwlad 23 September 2020 07: 13
      +1
      They would buy an f-15x. Yes, who will sell it to them.
  • abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 23 September 2020 06: 45
    -2
    At the same time, it is not known in what way this will be achieved: by reducing the characteristics of aircraft supplied by the UAE, or by transferring more advanced radars to Israel.
    How in what way? By self-detonating ammunition on board when trying to shoot at an Israeli plane.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 23 September 2020 06: 57
    +1
    F-35 will be deprived of stealth? Western press on the sale of a fighter to the Middle East

    It is interesting to see what options .... correction will be applied.
  • g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 23 September 2020 07: 01
    +3
    The whole point of "stealth" in a 5 second clip: laughing
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 September 2020 07: 08
    +1
    So-so decision .... and if they are popped, what kind of MiG29 or air defense systems? There will be anti-advertising
  • Avior
    Avior 23 September 2020 07: 11
    +5
    Reminds of an old anecdote about fake Christmas tree decorations - they are just like real ones, only they do not bring joy.
    I think this is the invention of journalists, the assumption looks so unrealistic that any changes to the glider for the purpose of deterioration are, firstly, a large amount of work, and secondly, why do the Arabs need it this way?
    To believe that electronics can be easier than for Israel, you can hardly believe.
    In any case, this is a distant prospect, there is a big queue for them for years to come.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 23 September 2020 08: 16
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      To believe that electronics can be easier than for Israel, you can hardly believe.

      This is easy to believe. Israel is changing avionics to their own, more modern. The electronics on the F35 are already outdated relative to themselves. There are more advanced blocks.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 September 2020 09: 04
        +2
        I think not everything changes.
        Moreover, I remember that part of it was originally from Israeli electronics.
        On the other hand, when and if it comes to production for the Arabs, there will be some new blocks.
        And does Israel have problems with the UAE?
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 23 September 2020 09: 15
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          On the other hand, when and if it comes to production for the Arabs, there will be some new blocks.

          As far as I understand. Block 2023 will be launched in 4. While block 3.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 September 2020 09: 44
          +3
          The Emirates need Israel. Therefore, we signed a peace treaty. They want:
          1) insure the Israeli military support - air and missile - in the event of a war with Iran. Iran can go to a showdown with Saudi, and the Emirates will automatically be on the front line.
          2) invest in Israeli startups.
          One of the most profitable (albeit risky) forms of investment.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 23 September 2020 07: 26
    +1
    Stealth technology is enclosed in the shape of the airframe itself. So, to improve visibility, you need to hit it with sledgehammers for a couple of hours, or move a tractor over, will it really fly after that?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 September 2020 09: 36
      +2
      Stealth is:
      1) glider shape
      2) a coating that absorbs radio waves.
  • Abdula
    Abdula 23 September 2020 07: 40
    +1
    Quote: Fedor Sokolov
    The F-35 is another tricky marketing ploy of the Americans, what is it and what they are experts in, how to make candy out of shit and push it into the market. Interestingly, American companies can increase their capitalization simply with the help of beautiful video clips, the story of the Nikola electric truck is an example of this.

    I agree precisely on this that the stupid Israelis who fly on maize and do not know ONLY IN AIRCRAFT, who have never bombed anyone, did not want and do not want someone else in the region to have these as you write marketing moves from f35, yes and the Turks are still being led on beautiful videos, by the way they call them a platform and not an airplane
  • V1er
    V1er 23 September 2020 07: 48
    +1
    What's the point then? Isn't it better to take the F-15EX Advanced Eagle in this case? Or an F-16 Block 60?
  • novel66
    novel66 23 September 2020 08: 00
    +1
    right! and drilled machine guns and blunt bayonet knives
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      23 September 2020 08: 11
      +2
      it's easier to slap in the face and take money away
      1. novel66
        novel66 23 September 2020 08: 28
        +1
        this .. very correct decision
  • Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 23 September 2020 08: 26
    -1
    F16 and F15 are studied along and across. But this does not prevent Israel from bombing whoever and when they want.
    Disclosure of the F35 parameters is inevitable, too many of them have been done.
  • Machete
    Machete 23 September 2020 08: 36
    +2
    Alternatively:
    The Middle East is a territory of a possible regional conflict (but this is not certain), but the dough, oh, whatever you want.
    If, nevertheless, porridge brews there and they start shooting down the F-35, then we can always say that they were quite noticeable, that's why they shot them down. The reputation will not suffer, the grandmother will drink.
  • Sergey35
    Sergey35 23 September 2020 08: 46
    -3
    At the same time, it is not known in what way this will be achieved: by reducing the characteristics of aircraft supplied by the UAE, or by transferring more advanced radars to Israel.

    That is, on American "more advanced" radars, this miracle of technology is still visible, while on other less advanced radars it seems to be "stealth".
  • APASUS
    APASUS 23 September 2020 08: 57
    0
    The Americans even divide their allies into more and less reliable ones.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 September 2020 09: 03
    0
    "by reducing the characteristics of aircraft supplied by the UAE, or by transferring more advanced radars to Israel" ///
    ----
    Only the first way is possible.
    The second does not exist yet.
  • Oleg Olkha
    Oleg Olkha 23 September 2020 21: 29
    +2
    Moreover, the states no longer have "more advanced" radars than Israel ... In 8-10 years, when the first few Arab F-35s reach their initial combat readiness, they will have a lot of avionics produced by Elbit Systems of America. (and now on the Arab F-15, F-16) And the Elbit helmet, capable of "acting independently" on the bad head "who wants the strange" (especially since they are absolutely individual, both anatomically and in neuromechanics of eyeball movements with a step recall of combat systems 0.2 mm. According to Australian sources, who paid 700 thousand US dollars for each helmet, computer simulation, with sensors on the head and eye optics, takes several hours, in two approaches ...) Hebrew-speaking resources are now discussing possible compensation : full, not partial, as now, access to software, localization of all maintenance of the Middle East F-35 in Israel, early delivery of the first tankers, an increase in the percentage of American aid allowed to spend in Israel, convection. in shekels. A terrible "weapon" in reality ... lol
  • AML
    AML 24 September 2020 07: 50
    0
    Quote: askort154
    Arab sheikhs, fattened on oil and gas, love to "show off" in front of each other - who has a cooler "technical toy" or a skyscraper. Previously, they arranged horse races on camels, then on jeeps and tanks. Now they switched to aviation.


    Why earlier? They still suit. And a normal camel stands like a whole locomotive.
  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 24 September 2020 17: 47
    0
    A more reasonable question: "why would anyone need it without secrecy? If f16 does the same thing but three times cheaper." Or is it a feature of the UAE, then it should be in gold color