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If you don't want to - don't look. Cinema Fund accused of lack of spirituality

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Source: static.pepper.ru


Financial failure


History The Cinema Fund's accusations began on September 13 with an open letter to the Russian government from participants in the Golden Knight International Film Forum. In their address to Vladimir Putin and Mikhail Mishustin, the signatories pointed to the degradation of Russian cinema over the past thirty years. Quote from the letter:

In society, the question of the moral, educational quality of the offered "film products" has ripened, the question of the conformity of the films being made to the "Fundamentals of State Cultural Policy" legalized by the state. When asked whether today's Russian cinema and television serves to strengthen the moral and ethical norms and traditional, spiritual and moral values ​​of our culture, the conference participants unanimously answered: no!

The letter is filled not only with indignation at the current state of affairs in the domestic film industry, but also with outright intolerance. For instance:

The assertion of some officials of the Ministry of Culture and the "Cinema Fund" that there is an extraordinary "upward movement" in Russian cinema is groundless. Obviously, a downward movement, a slide from the heights of the great Soviet cinema into market primitives and vulgarity, lowering the spiritual and moral level of our people. It is impossible to consider film achievements imitating Hollywood, helpless in drama, directing and acting, tortured remakes, fake "blockbusters" about war, sports, cops, oligarchs, "NKVDs", killers, criminals and fallen girls. The Russian cinema screen was flooded with untouched by the intellect of the faces from the TV, the so-called stars of show business, "KVN", "Comedy Club" and "House 2".



"Defenders". A failed "masterpiece". Source: pikabu.ru

As in any other radical allegations, the letter of the participants of the Slavic Forum of Arts "Golden Knight" contains seeds of common sense, but it was not without controversial points. Of course, the Cinema Fund has accumulated many failed films over the 30 years of its existence. Three years ago, a "top" was compiled - a list of the ten most unsuccessful domestic films released with the support of the foundation. Among them are now little-known "Invisible", "Priest-san. Confessions of a Samurai "," Double Trouble "and others. In total, almost 40 million budget dollars were spent on this top ten, of which even one third did not return. In total, the Cinema Fund has supported financially about 300 films, of which only 10 films are worthy of respect. This is the opinion of experts of the International Film Forum "Golden Knight". One could turn a blind eye to the quality of most of the films from the "Cinema Fund" if not for the use of budget funds by the office. There is nothing wrong with a free market and competition, but when failed “masterpieces” do not even partially pay off at the box office, many questions arise. Who reviewed the script? Who evaluated the film's market prospects? Who tracked the budget expenses of the film? In general, if we abstract from the spiritual and moral message of the domestic cinema "Fund", it becomes clear that the strangeness begins at the stage of choosing the objects of funding. Strictly speaking, cinema is just another kind of art, albeit a massive one. If the director and screenwriter are ready to offer a really sensible idea, then there must be appropriate investors for it. Of course, the motto “talents need to be helped, mediocrity will break through themselves” takes place. But Russian taxpayers donate money to such experiments! For example, from 2012 to 2017, out of 160 films released under the auspices of the Cinema Fund, only 19 paid off! Many “knowledgeable” may argue that the profitability of these 19 films will more than cover the costs of the remaining ones. Nothing like this! The most successful film "Moving Up" with a budget of 450 million issued more than 3 billion at the box office. But no other film even came close to this parameter. At the same time, the Matilda film, widely advertised in various ways, with a budget of one and a half billion, returned to the creators a little more than a third of what was spent.

The Cinema Fund is unable to produce financially successful projects. Maybe it’s better to arrange things with an artistic component?

Back to censorship?


In accordance with part 5 of article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, freedom of the media is guaranteed. Naturally, censorship is prohibited. Interesting in this regard is the point of view of the signatories of the open letter, which was discussed above. It turns out that Pushkin himself was one of the adherents of censorship, which is confirmed by his quote:

I am convinced of the need for censorship in an educated moral and Christian society, no matter what laws and government it may be under ...

Further, the participants of the XXIX International Film Forum "Golden Knight" directly ask to introduce censorship in film distribution, referring also to the opinion of the main Russian censor of his time - Tyutchev. In the best traditions of retrograde reformers, the main recommendation to the President of Russia is to organize a state corporation under the leadership of Mosfilm. This body is supposed to be empowered to ban foreign paintings, putting it into a quota procedure. The signatories have a very rich imagination: after a few years of operation, the monopoly corporation will have to increase the distribution time of domestic cinema up to 80%. That is, only every fifth foreign film will break through to the Russian market. Is it good or not? If we take into account the laws of market development, then, of course, very bad. The notorious state corporation, in the absence of competition, will sponsor the production of films that will be of interest primarily to officials of the corporation itself. There will also be problems with the efficiency of the work of the next state structure: do we see a lot of market breakthroughs from Gazprom or the United Aircraft Corporation? In conditions when budget financing is available and is able to cover losses if something happens, there is no need to think about effective management. The actual absence of "pernicious" imported cinema is still aggravating. In general, the initiative of the participants of the "Golden Knight" looks at least too radical and will not lead to anything good.

However, the current state of affairs with the "Cinema Fund" does not add a positive attitude. Indicative in this regard is the list of films that the Ministry of Culture (and, therefore, the "Film Fund") will support next year. Budget money is already being reserved for these scenarios. In particular, they are allocated for the continuation of the absurd comedy "Great-grandmother of easy virtue", in which the plot revolves around a certain secret Soviet chemical. This pseudo-"Newbie" in the guise of a grandmother must redeem (or steal) the permanent Alexander Revva.


Source: film.ru

The sponsoring of foreign cinematography at the expense of Russian taxpayers is outrageous. Obviously, the scriptwriters, who did not find support in Hollywood, decided to try their luck in the Russian box office. And successfully. American Michael Zilberman at the expense of the "Cinema Fund" will shoot "Aspiration", in which not a word will be in Russian, and the story itself is planned ... in the Canadian outback. In continuation of the recently popular theme of domestic trash, the Ministry of Culture supported the project of the film "The Godless". According to the scenario, the scientist kills the father of two daughters, and later takes them out for interbreeding with monkeys in a secret nursery. Happy viewing! The dirty story of young victims is continued by the thriller "White List", in which Alexei Serebryakov, the country's main dramatic actor, will play. The script is built around the trendy theme of teenage suicide and has a lot in common with the overseas TV series True Detective. Here also, two investigators in the wilderness run into pedophiles, only one of the heroes does not hesitate to have a relationship with a schoolgirl himself. In one of the reviews they write:

Routine research stretches for years, breaks the lives of the heroes, and the perpetrators hide closer than one might have thought. The creators hired expert psychologists to work on the film.

Everything that happens to the "Cinema Fund" can be characterized simply: something needs to be done. Of course, the methods of censorship and banning foreign cinema as the most radical will obviously not help here. But you can find a kind of middle ground between outright cinematic disgrace and tightening the screws. It remains only to convince the authorities that this is really necessary.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 23 September 2020 05: 41
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    as the saying goes: "what kind of table, such a chair ...", or have we forgotten in what "society" we live? "fasteners" damn ... we are fastening ... do you want the "yegeshniki" to make a normal movie? ha ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 23 September 2020 06: 05
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      Quote: Dead Day
      as the saying goes: "what table, such a chair ..."

      Average for the hospital.
      If society is afflicted with corruption, nepotism, and only its own people (negative selection) get their jobs, do you think it will be different in the "cinema"? No, everything is "normal" with kin, what kind of life, such is the movie. This is a reflection of Putin's reality. Stable wilting.
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 23 September 2020 09: 06
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        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: Dead Day
        as the saying goes: "what table, such a chair ..."

        Average for the hospital.
        If society is afflicted with corruption, nepotism, and only its own people (negative selection) get their jobs, do you think it will be different in the "cinema"? No, everything is "normal" with kin, what kind of life, such is the movie. This is a reflection of Putin's reality. Stable wilting.

        ....... how .... there will be no kin?
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 23 September 2020 12: 12
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          Look out into the street. There, the series "Survivors" is on daily. From the first person.
          1. Paul Siebert
            Paul Siebert 24 September 2020 07: 02
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            Quote: lexus
            Look out into the street. There, the series "Survivors" is on daily. From the first person.

            Yes, I watched the series "The Game of Survival" on TNT.
            Directed by Karen Hovhannisyan.
            In the splash screen, the girl recites in a rap recitative "My native country is wide ..."
            Amid stunning filming. I decided to take a look.
            Scoundrels operate under abominable circumstances. It is hinted that the country is also disgusting ...
            Corrupt cops, snickering deputies, military, experimenting on humans and monkeys, maniacs, cannibals. TV stars, ready to betray and sell everyone and everything for the sake of their loved ones ...
            Not a single positive character.
            Everyone survives. By killing others. For the sake of getting a million euros. Creepy. Hopeless.
            And at the same time, prohibitive ratings. How does it feel?
            No need for censorship. Council is needed to distribute public funds for film production. And so that these films really were patriotic, they called for good, compassion, love.
            So that this council includes spiritual people who are worried about the fate of the Motherland, the younger generation. Statesmen.
            And don't let Karen Oganesyan join this council! am
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 28 September 2020 16: 58
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              only to decide what patriotism is will be entrusted to people who do not know this word.
      2. CSKA
        CSKA 23 September 2020 10: 05
        -24 qualifying.
        Quote: Stas157
        If society is afflicted

        The society is not overwhelmed by anything. The same as in other countries. Struck by your brain with endless whining and whining.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 23 September 2020 14: 59
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          Quote: CSKA
          The society is not overwhelmed by anything. The same as in other countries

          What's the difference, as in other countries, we live in Russia .. and you need to think and talk about Russia. Well, if you touched other countries, then yes .. the degree of inadequacy and vulgarity mixed with stupidity rises everywhere, the quality of films, like music, has seriously fallen .. but this does not mean that Russia should move in the same direction ..
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 25 September 2020 10: 37
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            Quote: Svarog
            What's the difference, as in other countries, we live in Russia .. and you need to think and talk about Russia

            So we only think and only talk about Russia.
            Quote: Svarog
            the quality of films, like music, has seriously dropped

            If you specifically don't like a movie or music, it doesn't mean that the movie or music is bad. But you don't want to understand this with your head. Where did you get the idea that your taste in films or music is just the right taste, and all the rest immediately automatically become stupid and inadequate? If I like rap or club music, avam not, then I automatically become stupid and inadequate? If I like crime dramas like The Departed, and you prefer melodrama like Titanic, then I'm a vulgar fool, and you are all so beautiful?
            Expand the scope of your soviet thinking and understand that people are all different and they like movies differently.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 September 2020 21: 24
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          Quote: CSKA
          Struck by your brain with endless whining and whining.

          1. CSKA
            CSKA 25 September 2020 10: 44
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            )))) but I can’t imagine what? Do all our actresses now undress without exception? Have you ever thought that culture can also change over time? Or can we dance and wear wigs according to the culture of the 18th century? And the fact that Nikulin, Pugovkin and Papanov fought is certainly good. Honor and praise to them. But where did you get the idea that the current young actors Petrov, Priluchny or older Porechenkov and Khabensky, God forbid, a great war will not go to fight?
    2. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 23 September 2020 06: 10
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      It's just that Fedya Bondarchuk, Janik Fayziev & a group of the same settled well at the state expense - you can at least withdraw something - the money is dripping, and okay.
      from 2012 to 2017, out of 160 films released under the auspices of the Cinema Fund, only 19 paid off!

      Well, okay, they'll give them more money. This shop needs to be closed for a long time, a bottomless barrel for all this "bohemia" who has gone crazy.
      1. Far B
        Far B 23 September 2020 06: 17
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        If the director and screenwriter are ready to offer a really sensible idea, then appropriate investors must be found for it.
        Seriously??? Art infestors will invest only in that guaranteed will make a profit. A quote (almost verbatim) from the answer of the largest publisher in Russia, "Eksmo": "We are ready to print you, but under a well-known name (read: come on, work as a ghostwriter). We cannot print you under your own name, because there is no guarantee that books by an unknown author will be bought. And the promotion of a new author will cost about 200 thousand dollars. " That is, it's not a sensible idea, but a promoted name. I don't think the situation is different in the film industry.
        after several years of operation, the monopoly corporation will have to increase the rental time of domestic cinema up to 80%. That is, only every fifth foreign film will break into the Russian market.
        Awesome wording! If every fifth foreign film breaks into the Russian market, the Russian market will be choked with something incomprehensible, because foreign films shoot a huge amount of everything. The author even strained to formulate normally: "only every fifth film in the domestic box office will be foreign", well, at least so, or something.
        The virtual absence of "pernicious" imported cinema still aggravates
        And his presence, perhaps, will correct the matter? How many copies were broken on the topic of sports: "we need legionnaires - they are professionals, they will show our boys how to deal with business." Yeah, schaz. Legionnaires in command forms - a shaft. Results? We are rolling down steadily. From the movie will be the same garbage.
        Of course, the methods of censoring and banning foreign cinema as the most radical will obviously not help here.
        Oh, is it? Censorship, mister author, it, you know, is different. There is political censorship (it is rather stupid to use it in the film industry, but it is used), and there is artistic censorship, when frankly mediocre material is cut at the root, so that no money and connections would help the author to push his "shydevr" to the masses. And the last type of censorship would be very useful for the domestic cinema. He was in the Union. And there was Cinematography with a capital letter. And there was Literature with a capital letter. But now, alas, not the Union. "These are not our methods, please be understanding!" (from)
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 September 2020 08: 43
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          Quote: Dalny V
          Art infestors will only invest in things that are guaranteed to bring profit.

          Right. That is why the idea comes to revive the analogue of Mosfilm and Lenfilm, as STATE, and not commercial structures. And, of course, raise the issue of censorship of what commercial JSCs are doing.
          And I'm not just talking about cinematography. Hard sifting through censorship has long been asking for such programs as DOM-2 (under the closure and dispersal of parasites and imbeciles), with the subsequent placement of participants in psychiatric institutions, the Comedy Club with their flat humor below the belt, Let's get married with the infirm Guzeeva and her stupidity passable, again, Evening with Solovyov with his eternal abuse on the air, and so on. True, GOT this circus of freaks.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 13: 12
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            Quote: NEXUS
            Rigid sifting through censorship has long been asking for programs such as DOM-2


            Why does this house haunt you? Well, this gum is on the peripheral degenerative TNT, some degenerates are chewing it - and to hell with them. Do you think that if you forbid them, they will start to call their eyes about the Savior or the Star? Yes, the dog is with them, if they got hooked on this crap, they won't wiser.
            Quote: NEXUS
            True, GOT this circus of freaks.

            Well, don't look at the box, it's business. I just didn't get it, I only turn on the euronews in the morning - and no circus in the years.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 23 September 2020 13: 22
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              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Why does this house haunt you?

              And apparently you don't get it? Such programs lead to the degradation of those who watch them, and there are many of them. And a very large percentage of those watching are young people. Who take an example from these imbeciles, believing that it is right: to swear at girls, beat them, etc. At the same time, these viewers all without exception want to go to the Maldives, to eat the same kind of life as these degenerates.
              You wrote me a hackneyed phrase, they say, if you don't want to, don't turn on the TV. And forgive me, why does every apartment have a TV set? For furniture? Or so as not to watch it in the form of a stupid protest?
              Is it only Dom-2 like this? Isn't Solovievism like that? Swearing, swearing, on the central channel ... and people admire it. And the Comedy Club? There just have time to count the floors of this mat, and from a woman's lips. But at the same time, all these habalki and foul-mongers from the box are in order. They drive cool cars, live on Rublevka, dress haute couture ... and young people are drummed into their heads that if they behave the same way, they will be successful, in demand, and popular. Now a like on a social network is worth more than a kind word. People risk their lives because of likes, and even lose it. Isn't that idiocy?
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 13: 39
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                Quote: NEXUS
                Forgive me, why is there a TV in every apartment?

                for Discovery, National Geographic, Historic 365, Euronews, Film, Automotive, etc. This is about TV. Among other things, the current boxes are multifunctional, as far as you know. Internet content is very diverse, did you know?)
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 23 September 2020 13: 48
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                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  for Discovery, National Geographic, historic "365"

                  Mmm ... Discovery? You know, there used to be such programs as "The Obvious Incredible" with Kapitsa, "In the Animal World" with Drozdov, "You Can Do It" and so on ... so Discovery is not even close to the level of those programs. Note, Discovery, National Geographic - all American broadcasts are designed for a poorly educated person. So that you understand the average level of an ordinary American, there is a YouTube demonstration video of a Russian immigrant who lives in Florida and is engaged in buying used lawn mowers, high pressure stations, etc., repairing and selling. So here's an example - he bought a lawn mower from an American neighbor, who sold it for $ 50 because he doesn't bother. A man bought it, brought it to the garage, opened the filter compartment and ... the filter was completely clogged, that's why it did not work. I changed the filter (inserted a new one without screwdrivers and wrenches) and voila ... it worked.
                  Of course this is an isolated example, but the education of the average American is very far from the education of the average SOVIET person.
            2. credo
              credo 23 September 2020 17: 06
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              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Well, don't look at the box, it's business. I just didn't get it, I only turn on the euronews in the morning - and no circus in the years.

              I only agree with you that you can safely not watch domestic TV, especially what constitutes the basis of the series, talk and battle shows of its grid, financed from the state budget and having a low level of artistic component.
              BUT I DO NOT AGREE THAT SUCH "MASTERPIECES" ARE FINANCED AT THE EXPENSE OF A TAXPAYER, THAT IS INCLUDING US AND YOU.
              Now if:
              - dir. Serebrennikov, at his own expense and at the expense of his friends and fans, created the scenery for his production on different stages, I would not mind, and for 60-70 million rubles spent in vain, his wife or friends with fans would ask him, but for some reason he prefers to spend state funds;
              - Konstantin Raikin staged a production about the indecent relationship of a little boy at his own expense or at the expense of his friends and fans, presenting it as art, I would also understand it as a complete degradation of his personality and close relationship with the famous actionist character who nailed his scrotum to the paving stones in Red Square, but for some reason he prefers to spend state funds on such a "masterpiece", and not his own;
              - dir. For years and decades, Sakurov has been filming his next film, which has a low efficiency of return, filmed it at his own expense or at the expense of his fans, this still all right, but no, again at the expense of the state budget.
              You can continue to list directors, actors and screenwriters from whose work the domestic cinema is gradually degrading, but why this is done at the expense of the state budget, I do not understand in any way and, to be honest, I don’t want to accept this, since further it will only slide down an inclined censorship of domestic and import customs will be introduced.
              And so please, like freelance artists who paint on the streets and in their apartments, and then put up their creation for sale - if you bought a painting, you liked it, didn't buy it, so you didn't like it, and you have to make a living by painting at a construction site.
              The same principle must be introduced for domestic directors, artists and screenwriters - he took out a loan from a bank, he made a film and offered it to distributors - in profit, it means a master, in burnout, it means an apprentice and analysis of the "flights" will be with the bank, and not with the state. We have a market, not an almshouse for adult creative individuals, as they always call themselves.
              1. Alf
                Alf 23 September 2020 19: 45
                +7
                Quote: credo
                - Konstantin Raikin staged a production about the indecent relationship of a little boy at his own expense or at the expense of his friends and fans, presenting it as art,

                This Kostya Raikin publicly announced a couple of years ago that the state SHOULD pay for all the scenery, the entire communal apartment, the entire salary of the artists, but at the same time it SHOULD NOT say what to stage and shoot.
            3. orcinus
              orcinus 24 September 2020 11: 36
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              I disagree! Children, while we are at work, will not be forbidden to watch this game, both on TV and on the Internet! It turns out only one option - closing! By the way, the "peripheral" channel itself is one of the locomotives for the audition of our children, it would not hurt to "consider" it either, but ... the free market (
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 24 September 2020 11: 49
                -2
                The fact that your children are "dumbfounded" by watching TV "while you are at work" is mostly your fault, and not these freaks from home-2, don't you think? Come on, prohibit all sources of information except for a couple of state channels and return the TV broadcasting grid of 1977 - will it help?
                1. orcinus
                  orcinus 28 September 2020 09: 26
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                  About my guilt, this is, of course, "constructive"))) You don't have a TV at home, and you communicate with your family not on a smartphone, but on a wired phone?) Or is constantly next to your child: in a kindergarten, school, university?) with him to classes, watch what other documents show on their phones?) Now is the time for an information dump! I am not calling for a return to "1977", but something needs to be done with the "outhouse" content too
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 28 September 2020 09: 35
                    -1
                    clear. The culprit was found. To paraphrase Famusov - "The box is a plague ...".
                    Need to do something.
                    Quote: orcinus
                    what do other documents show on their phones?

                    for a start, ban T9 laughing
              2. Mishka78
                Mishka78 24 September 2020 15: 05
                +1
                And don't forget about the owner. Gazprom Media. Those. the ultimate beneficiary is the state.
                Unfortunately, it is beneficial for the state to control the masses.
            4. Vladimir Dyakov
              Vladimir Dyakov 1 October 2020 18: 13
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              Do you think that if you forbid them, they will start to call their eyes about the Savior or the Star? Yes, the dog is with them, if they get hooked on this crap, they won't wiser

              So they will be, just the same level)
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 October 2020 19: 51
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                Quote: Vladimir Dyakov
                exactly the same level)

                laughing
                counted!
            5. Yuri Stepanov
              Yuri Stepanov 1 October 2020 22: 19
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              I myself answered my own question - I turn on the earones. And not this dibilny 1 channel with their squealing early in the morning and all sorts of crap with eternal races and holidays.
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 14: 37
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            Quote: NEXUS
            That is why the idea comes to revive the analogue of Mosfilm and Lenfilm, as STATE, and not commercial structures.

            well, what will it give? Will it dramatically raise the artistic level of state-owned companies to unprecedented heights? Will the Chukhrais and Ryazanovs suddenly appear, filming masterpieces on a modest budget? Will there be a cheap props? Brilliant artists who agree to act in films for scanty fees solely out of love for art and in the name of getting the cinema off its knees?
            And what kind of output do you expect? Chernukha type "shugaleev" and mediocre war films? What will change?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 23 September 2020 15: 13
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              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              well, what will it give? Will it dramatically raise the artistic level of state-owned companies to unprecedented heights? Will the Chukhrais and Ryazanovs suddenly appear, filming masterpieces on a modest budget? Will there be a cheap props? Brilliant artists who agree to act in films for scanty fees solely out of love for art and in the name of getting the cinema off its knees?

              And I'm not only talking about cinema separately, but also about education in general. But what kind of education are we talking about, if on TV imbitsies are not disfigured by intellect from morning to night? Such downs have one such reservation - Einstein was also kicked out of school. And they do not even think that Einsteins are born once in a hundred years, but there are billions of people like them, who are cancer up to Einstein's level as from here to China.
          3. Svarog
            Svarog 23 September 2020 15: 06
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            Quote: NEXUS
            And I'm not just talking about cinematography. Hard sifting through censorship has long been asking for such programs as DOM-2 (under the closure and dispersal of parasites and imbeciles), with the subsequent placement of participants in psychiatric institutions, the Comedy Club with their flat humor below the belt, Let's get married with the infirm Guzeeva and her stupidity passable, again, Evening with Solovyov with his eternal abuse on the air, and so on. True, GOT this circus of freaks.

            What else does house2 exist? The state produces parasites and imbeciles on purpose .. This is the policy and this is exactly what they need a citizen-consumer .. not burdened with intellect. If in the USSR films called for perfection, for a dream, education, glorified working professions .. now the information field is packed with vile, vulgar and materialistic ..
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 23 September 2020 15: 09
              +3
              Quote: Svarog
              What else does house2 exist?

              Most alive. Moreover, Sobchag sold the license to rent the first seasons of House-2 in Japan. That is, this slag hawala not only our people. Auditing people all over the world is obvious.
    3. svp67
      svp67 23 September 2020 06: 17
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      Quote: Dead Day
      do you want the "yegeshniki" to make a normal movie? ha ...

      But they somehow manage to make short films and nothing ...



      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 September 2020 08: 33
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        ++ In the first short film, the German platoon refused to execute the girls in full force ... Ideologically and in fact it is wrong, since girls are untermensch a way to satisfy any needs of the soldiers of the Aryan race. Even the platoon commander in the story was almost ready to accept death out of pity ??? SS patches !! so that the SS were such slobber ??? After this film, even sympathy appeared for the SS. wassat When a kid from the Hitler Youth or another army unit got into the SS, the first test was alone, with his bare hands, to kill a cat in an empty room. Cruelty in the SS is a cult. The partisans were executed by hanging for edification. with a crowd of people, these girls would be raped and killed. Therefore, there is little to do with reality. Although the film looked in one breath
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 23 September 2020 10: 08
          +3
          Quote: aybolyt678
          ++ In the first short film, the German platoon refused to execute the girls in full force ... Ideologically and in fact it is wrong, since girls are untermensch a way to satisfy any needs of the soldiers of the Aryan race. Even the platoon commander in the story was almost ready to accept death out of pity ??? SS patches !! so that the SS were such slobber ??? After this film, even sympathy appeared for the SS. wassat When a kid from the Hitler Youth or another army unit got into the SS, the first test was alone, with his bare hands, to kill a cat in an empty room. Cruelty in the SS is a cult. The partisans were executed by hanging for edification. with a crowd of people, these girls would be raped and killed. Therefore, there is little to do with reality. Although the film looked in one breath

          Well, this is a movie all the same. The director has played a little. But recently I read somewhere a story where a German soldier refused to shoot partisans and was himself shot. There is also a film "Napola.Academy of Death" about the upbringing of Hitler Youth
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 23 September 2020 13: 00
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            Quote: Pilat2009
            Well, this movie is all the same. The director has replayed a little. But recently I read somewhere a story where a German soldier refused to shoot the partisans and was himself shot

            There is such an American book! author Walter Nick "SS troops bloody trail" after reading which it will be clear that the situation with pity in the SS is in principle impossible.
            The historical truth will be substituted by such masterpieces. This is an informational virus IMHO.
          2. stalki
            stalki 23 September 2020 13: 11
            +4
            Well, this is a movie all the same. The director has played a little. But recently I read somewhere a story where a German soldier refused to shoot partisans and was himself shot. There is also a film "Napola.Academy of Death" about the upbringing of Hitler Youth
            I just do not understand why it is necessary to choose nemchura as a storyline, why not about ours? Where about the Russians? What are these plots along the bush, but not about us?
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 23 September 2020 11: 46
          14
          Quote: aybolyt678
          In the first short, the German platoon refused to execute the girls in full ...

          The script for the first short film "Tsirkach" was written by Kolya from Urengoy. The poor SS men are so kind, so peaceful! They do not want to kill girls, even under the threat of death and beatings. They only have an officer - a villain, but he is probably not to blame - the order was given to him by Hitler ...
          And the Soviet soldiers were exposed as such gopniks - what area are you from? What are you doing on our land, - says the Russian Zoldaten, and kills the "SS man-humanist" (three times ha).
          And on YouTube, everyone praises this craft, point-blank noticing the monstrous substitution of concepts. How! Shakhnazarov himself (iksperd on a hysterical show with Solovyov) advised ...
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 23 September 2020 14: 15
            +3
            Quote: Hyperion
            The script for the first short film "Tsirkach" was written by Kolya from Urengoy.

            + + + + wassat good drinks smile very accurate character! - Kolya from Urengoy
        3. svp67
          svp67 23 September 2020 16: 09
          +4
          Quote: aybolyt678
          SS patches !! so that the SS were such slobber ???

          Yes, I agree here ... they shouldn't have dressed the boys in the uniform of SS men and field gendarmes. It was necessary to show some kind of rear team, foragers ... it would be more correct
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Although the film looked in one breath

          Here I am about the same ... It's still better than a set of "war movie masterpieces" that are filmed here

          Yes, good films about the war are still being made by Belarusians and true
          Watch the series "Alyosha"
          1. Vladimir Demyanov
            Vladimir Demyanov 23 September 2020 22: 15
            +2
            Yeah, ochchchchchen true Belarusian films like "Smersh". Through the scaffolding in full dress, with CA badges, with sewn on shoulder straps, etc. Very rarely there are decent films. More Hollywood stamps are being made. If you start to disassemble, it will take more than one day. And then they wonder where the Ivans of kinship, who do not remember, come from. And it turns out that some of the Germans at the front killed, and the filmmakers are killing the memory of them with their forgeries.
            1. svp67
              svp67 24 September 2020 03: 47
              0
              Quote: Vladimir Demyanov
              Yeah, very true Belarusian films like "Smersh".

              And you are "The Moment of Truth", for the correction of nerves, see
      2. Barkun
        Barkun 26 September 2020 00: 32
        +1
        Yes, colleagues, the studio has jambs. Both technical and ideological. But! Emotionally, purely, without bloody gebney and convicts as the leading factor in victory. And "Chef" - also with humor :). For what money they shoot, who plays, who writes - it is not clear, but, IMHO, everything will be cooler than "Fighters" or "Bastards".

        And for an ultra-short meter, the quality of directorial and screenwriting work is transcendental.
    4. Deniska999
      Deniska999 23 September 2020 06: 35
      16
      Yes, it is not the yeshniki who will ruin Russian cinema, but cuts and nepotism.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 23 September 2020 06: 57
        14
        Quote: Deniska999
        Yes, it is not the yeshniki who will ruin Russian cinema, but cuts and nepotism.

        Russian cinema will kill lack of spirituality, for there is no Idea. There was ideology in the USSR, and there were Films. Now there is no ideology, well, and "those are, sho may be."
        1. Deniska999
          Deniska999 23 September 2020 07: 18
          -2
          Ideology did not interfere with churning out a huge amount of slag.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 23 September 2020 07: 22
            +9
            Quote: Deniska999
            Ideology did not interfere with churning out a huge amount of slag.

            For example? What films can you name?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 23 September 2020 08: 40
              -1
              Quote: Egoza
              Ideology did not interfere with churning out a huge amount of slag.

              For example? What films can you name?

              There was a slag, for example, there were many films on the so-called production theme, where the hero fought against bureaucracy, I don't remember the names, precisely because it was impossible to watch them.
            2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 13: 24
              +1
              Quote: Egoza
              For example? What films can you name?

              During the existence of Soviet from 1918 to 1991 cinematography was released from approx. 7250 films. That is, they churned out about a hundred a year. Do you think they were all masterpieces?
              Your opponent is absolutely right - there was plenty of cinematographic trash.
              By the way, speaking of censorship, no more than 2-3% of this mass was sent to the "shelf". The directors tried to play by the rules and did not show off too much with their "active" position.
              By the way, when Ryazanov's "shelf" Man from Nowhere "triumphantly returned to the screen, I, for example, was extremely disappointed - the film is a complete slag, and art (and the viewer) would not have lost at all if this sucks were so and stayed on the shelf.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 23 September 2020 12: 37
            +4
            Quote: Deniska999
            Ideology did not interfere with churning out a huge amount of slag.

            Foolishly spoiled the air. You couldn't even name a single example.
            The question is that there was a CULTURE of cinematography and not only cinematography. If a comedy, then intellectual jokes, designed not for a monkey on a palm tree, but for an educated, broad-minded and flexible person. If a detective, then not a stupid Hollywood horror story with guts on the ceiling. If it's a melodrama, then it's not an empty 100500 series about the fact that dad is a brother and mom is a sister.
            There was a highly intelligent cinema, focused not on the natural animal instincts of baboons, but on spiritual, educated, intelligent people.
            Compare at least KVN 70-80 years and today. Many people will not understand most of the jokes of the KVN-iks of the 80s, because neither education nor intellect will allow.
            1. Deniska999
              Deniska999 23 September 2020 12: 55
              +1
              I do not deny that many good films have been made. But idealizing all the products of Soviet cinema is stupid. As well as despising the modern.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 23 September 2020 13: 10
                +4
                Quote: Deniska999
                I do not deny that many good films have been made. But idealizing all the products of Soviet cinema is stupid. As well as despising the modern.

                And excuse me, does modern cinema (precisely modern) and not even Russian, but world cinema give birth to intellectual cinema?
                It is done today by only a few and, as a rule, such works do not appear on large screens, because they are not commercially viable for rental.
                What then comes out on the big screens? Marvel films or DS ... And these films collect billions, because everything is simple, understandable for single-celled and very richly seasoned with special effects.
                Here came the Russian film "Brownie" ... sort of like a comedy, kind of not very moronic ... and now compare the level of, say, a Caucasian captive with the level of this creation.
                About films of the genre of fantasy Russian production, I generally keep quiet. The same "Defenders" is a masterpiece of stupidity and licking stereotypes from Hollywood. Where is lower already?
                1. novel66
                  novel66 23 September 2020 13: 52
                  +3
                  for it has already been said
                2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 24 September 2020 12: 03
                  -1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  and the world is giving birth to intellectual cinema?

                  give an example of "intelligent cinema" to make it clearer what you mean by it. Honestly, I have not yet met intellectual film lovers hysterically vilifying cinematic consumer goods - for aesthetes it simply does not exist.
            2. Vladimir Demyanov
              Vladimir Demyanov 23 September 2020 22: 35
              +2
              Sorry Nexus, I really respect you for your comments, but there were many films that simply did not remember because of their poor quality. Today I watched "The Incorrigible Liar": with Vitsyn in the title role - completely empty, there is humor, as in the modern one. Compare "Battle for the Dnieper" from "Liberation" and "The battalions are asking for fire", in the first verish, in the second not very much, although one piece was removed. Only one episode, and the other for several episodes. Now they are simply trying to reshoot the films of those who saw the war, so that they would not guess, change the name ... and nothing ... emptiness, because modern people do not have that Spirit.
        2. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 23 September 2020 08: 32
          -8
          Quote: Egoza
          There was ideology in the USSR, and there were Films.

          Well, that is, Gaidai, Ryazanov, Bondarchuk, Danelia, Tarkovsky - did they create masterpieces not because geniuses, but because ideology? Oh well...
          1. tatra
            tatra 23 September 2020 09: 54
            11
            And why, then, as soon as the Soviet ideology ended and anti-Sovietism began in the late 80s, not one of the creative people in Russia and on the territory of the USSR did anything even worthy of the level that they did under Soviet ideology? And as these creative people squealed, "the communists forbid us and do not let us in, do not allow us to reveal all their talents."
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 23 September 2020 12: 38
              -1
              Quote: tatra
              done under Soviet ideology

              Interestingly, under what ideology did the classics of Russian literature of the 19th century create?
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 23 September 2020 10: 00
            +5
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            Well, that is, Gaidai, Ryazanov, Bondarchuk, Danelia, Tarkovsky - did they create masterpieces not because geniuses, but because ideology? Oh well...

            Thanks for the question !!! lol just Tarkovsky, having left for Hollywood, could not create more masterpieces. smile
        3. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 27 September 2020 20: 03
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Now there is no ideology, well, and "those are, sho may be."

          how not? there is! Won in the T-34 noble SSovtsy and down deflecting shells icon. yes, an abomination, but such an ideology. request
    5. Civil
      Civil 23 September 2020 07: 30
      13
      Everyone who bought the "Newspaper for Fools" said that he was buying it not because he considered himself a fool, but because he was interested to know what they were writing about for fools. Incidentally, this newspaper was conducted very intelligently. Everything about her was clear even for fools. As a result, Newspaper for Fools was sold in large numbers.

      Everything you need to know about our culture, in the best traditions of the forbidden work "Dunno on the Moon"
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 23 September 2020 07: 37
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        Everyone who bought the "Newspaper for Fools" said that he was buying it not because he considered himself a fool, but because he was interested to know what they were writing about for fools. Incidentally, this newspaper was conducted very intelligently. Everything about her was clear even for fools. As a result, Newspaper for Fools was sold in large numbers.

        Everything you need to know about our culture, in the best traditions of the forbidden work "Dunno on the Moon"

        There is also about the movie - "The Story of the Seven Strangled and One Drowned in Fuel Oil"
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 23 September 2020 10: 46
          +8
          Quote: mat-vey
          There is also about the movie - "The Story of the Seven Strangled and One Drowned in Fuel Oil"

          ... the content of the films was too meaningless to provide any food for the mind. Watching from day to day how the heroes of all these films ran, jumped, fell, tumbled and fired from pistols, one could only get stupid, but in no case grow wiser.
          © From there
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 23 September 2020 10: 53
            +3
            So Kozlik and Dunno after such a movie also tormented by nightmares - a direct effect on the psyche)))
      2. Vladimir Demyanov
        Vladimir Demyanov 23 September 2020 22: 51
        0
        And when was "Dunno on the Moon" banned? I read it as a schoolboy. And here is a cartoon from it ... In the best traditions of our time. Are there any special forces? What can you say about the American film "Hunted". Does he sow the rational, the good, the eternal? Who is this manual for? Shown in childhood. Later in the lesson they started asking me to make knives, fifth graders ...
    6. CSKA
      CSKA 23 September 2020 10: 04
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Dead Day
      want "yegeshniki"

      They are such critics, open your mouth anyhow and do not care what an article about cinema, you need to braid the exam. Do not forget to add whiners and ZIL.
    7. Vend
      Vend 23 September 2020 10: 37
      +4
      It is not censorship that is needed here, but a definition with state funding. We need some kind of artistic advice to make the allocation of money justified. If you want to shoot what you like, look for sponsors, invest your money. If you want to shoot with government funding, play by the rules of the state.
      1. glk63
        glk63 23 September 2020 11: 17
        +7
        Quote: Wend
        If you want to shoot with government funding, play by the rules of the state.

        This is how they play) This is the kind of movie the current state needs ... Why does it need a thinking population? ..
        1. Vend
          Vend 23 September 2020 15: 36
          +5
          Quote: glk63
          Quote: Wend
          If you want to shoot with government funding, play by the rules of the state.

          This is how they play) This is the kind of movie the current state needs ... Why does it need a thinking population? ..

          No, they don't play. In the course of curtsies and ours and yours. And the receipt of state funding, most often occurs through regalia and personal sympathies. Remember how many films with government funding were shot by Bondarchuk Jr. Can you name at least one that would be completely patriotic? Me not. He even disfigured a film about Afghanistan with his daggers with a naked woman and a crooked barrel
          1. Vladimir Demyanov
            Vladimir Demyanov 23 September 2020 23: 00
            +2
            Bondarchuk Jr. for his films drags finds from strangers: "Stalingrad" partially licked off the film "On Seven Winds": Gilyarovsky wrote about this, how the playwrights wrote. That is why some are remembered, while others have sunk into oblivion, but they had their own bread and caviar.
          2. mat-vey
            mat-vey 24 September 2020 10: 54
            +2
            Quote: Wend
            He even disfigured a film about Afghanistan with his fagots with a naked woman and a crooked barrel

            Yes, this is just nonsense in the background - "we forgot about you" ... an ordinary abomination using the fact that the MAN who removed "The Fate of a Man", "War and Peace", "They Fought for the Motherland" his father - he just spits on him and his memory.
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 23 September 2020 23: 00
        18
        Quote: Wend
        If you want to shoot with government funding, play by the rules of the state.

        Can you tell us what are the rules of this state?
        1. Vend
          Vend 24 September 2020 11: 13
          -1
          Quote: Malyuta
          Quote: Wend
          If you want to shoot with government funding, play by the rules of the state.

          Can you tell us what are the rules of this state?

          And you listen to the speeches of the President of Russia, everything is very clearly explained there, it is understandable that it is a pity for the armored train.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 24 September 2020 13: 22
            15
            Quote: Wend
            And you listen to the speeches of the President of Russia, everything is very clearly explained there, it is understandable that it is a pity for the armored train.

            And why then you do not understand anything?
            Listen to this man? Danunafik!
            This citizen set in 2012 the task of eradicating poverty in the Russian Federation, then every year he eradicated it, then he said in 2017 that poverty is a shame for Russia and fought furiously against it for another 3 years.
            3 quarters of 2020 have already passed, and the wrestler continues to fight!
            1. Vend
              Vend 24 September 2020 13: 30
              0
              Quote: Malyuta
              Quote: Wend
              And you listen to the speeches of the President of Russia, everything is very clearly explained there, it is understandable that it is a pity for the armored train.

              And why then you do not understand anything?
              Listen to this man? Danunafik!
              This citizen set in 2012 the task of eradicating poverty in the Russian Federation, then every year he eradicated it, then he said in 2017 that poverty is a shame for Russia and fought furiously against it for another 3 years.
              3 quarters of 2020 have already passed, and the wrestler continues to fight!

              I just understand everything, I don't suffer from the deafness and myopia of a liberal laughing
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 24 September 2020 13: 35
                14
                Quote: Wend
                I just understand everything, I don't suffer from the deafness and myopia of a liberal

                I never doubted you, all putinoids are very educated and perspicacious people. Keep it up! fellow
    8. Kostya Lavinyukov
      Kostya Lavinyukov 23 September 2020 17: 27
      0
      Why did the USE not please you?
    9. lucul
      lucul 23 September 2020 18: 55
      +3
      as the saying goes: "what kind of table, such a chair ...", or have we forgotten in what "society" we live? "

      The situation is completely analogous to the times of Lomonosov. He, at one time, drove out of science the foreigners who had sucked charlatans.
      So here too - as long as "foreigners" are in charge of culture and history - nothing will change (the same swamp), no matter how much money you put in there ...
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 23 September 2020 05: 44
    19
    The Russian cinema screen was flooded with untouched by the intellect of the faces from the TV, the so-called stars of show business, "KVN", "Comedy Club" and "House 2".
    The main words, apparently, Russian cinema has died or is in a dying state.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 23 September 2020 05: 52
      10
      For Russian cinema! Standing and not clinking glasses! crying
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 23 September 2020 05: 57
        13
        I noticed for a long time that the decline in the level of education affected both actors and directors.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 07: 03
          +5
          Quote: Pessimist22
          I noticed for a long time that the decline in the level of education affected both actors and directors.

          lol
          Such messages need to be checked more carefully, otherwise the "decline in the level of education" is clumsily reflected in the "directors" ... drinks
  3. apro
    apro 23 September 2020 05: 55
    +5
    And for what. commissars in dusty helmets were removed from the cinema? there was someone to adjust the brains too clever and creative creators.
    It is clear that today Russian cinema is a periphery, thanks to the lack of ideology and a clear position of the upper class, even in their own country, Hollywood is in full control, but it’s not money that matters, but clear ideological attitudes and administrative resources, you guessed it, the State Department. where he is there and money ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 23 September 2020 06: 02
      16
      Quote: apro
      due to lack of ideology

      But Hollywood fosters patriotism among Americans, maybe not aggressively, but persistently
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 23 September 2020 06: 13
        -18 qualifying.
        In the USSR, such splints were also filmed. and not unsuccessfully, and obviously on state order. Example:

        And not without success. If you spend from the budget, IMHO - only for state orders, for state propaganda. And the artistic ones - shoot for yours. If this bald man, who managed to screw up the finished script, goes broke, he was written like a script. from two geniuses - I will not cry. I'm talking about "Inhabited Island" and Bondanchuk. It was just necessary not to change anything. no, he needs to get out into the main characters on the screen!
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 25 September 2020 03: 19
          0
          For the minus - thanks, but since so much - can you justify?
      2. BMP-2
        BMP-2 23 September 2020 13: 18
        +6
        But Hollywood fosters patriotism in Americans
        - unfortunately Hollywood fosters American patriotism not only among Americans ...
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 23 September 2020 06: 03
      +4
      Vodka and cocaine are also killing Russian cinema.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 September 2020 08: 42
        +2
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Vodka and cocaine are also killing Russian cinema.

        I see maximum harm from beer when watching hockey matches
    3. NDR-791
      NDR-791 23 September 2020 06: 12
      23
      I don’t understand why, in the absence of a government order, to spend budget money on cinema. The director wanted to scream - go and look for the loot. They will go to your film - well done. They will not go - you will owe someone. And state funding is really after expert examinations and with normal consultants, this is the prerogative of the state and should be. Call it whatever, even censorship, even ideology. And so, all these funds are just another cut and someone is good at it.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 September 2020 07: 46
        12
        Quote: NDR-791
        The director wanted to scream - go and look for the loot

        Exactly. For when, with the support of the Film Fund and the Ministry of Culture, "masterpieces" like "Daddy, die" are being filmed, one wonders why no one has yet been shot for this.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 23 September 2020 12: 20
          10
          hi Igor, "Russian cinema" is a burp of a rotten society. It can only kill itself.
      2. parma
        parma 23 September 2020 08: 12
        12
        Quote: NDR-791
        I don’t understand why, in the absence of a government order, to spend budget money on cinema. The director wanted to scream - go and look for the loot. They will go to your film - well done. They will not go - you will owe someone. And state funding is really after expert examinations and with normal consultants, this is the prerogative of the state and should be. Call it whatever, even censorship, even ideology. And so, all these funds are just another cut and someone is good at it.

        And what is there to understand? Now, in almost all domestic films, a number of thoughts can be traced - 1) the USSR is horror, if there were achievements, it was in spite of the system, and not thanks to, not that now 2) the Orthodox Church is good and it has always saved us and will save us, 3) sit on the priest evenly and the authorities themselves will give you everything you need.
        Why is this hammered in I hope no need to explain?
        PS: I recently caught myself thinking that modern cinema in our country has degraded so much (at first I thought that I had grown wiser, but then I watched a couple of films of the 90-00s and realized that it was not), that all these cliches and agitation are just flashy , and not hidden ... after all, in the late 90s, early 00s, in domestic works that became cult, there was a glorification in fact of marginals and bandits (brother 1/2, brigade, boomer, antikiller, etc.) ... characters like and they were immoral, but at the same time they aroused respect, although now I understand that this is not right ...
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 September 2020 08: 55
        +4
        Quote: NDR-791
        at least by censorship, at least by ideology

        but how is one without the other ??
  4. fa2998
    fa2998 23 September 2020 06: 03
    17
    Yes, let them shoot anything! Just remove the BUDGETARY MONEY from the cinema, the money of the payers. Let them get out themselves, look for sponsors. I think there will be less beleberdy. Yes, and we will save money on officials that distribute money.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 23 September 2020 06: 10
      -5
      Then Russian cinema, in principle, will be bent, we have commercially successful, except that TV shows are shot, films only from time to time. One way or another, Russian cinema is still needed.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 23 September 2020 06: 13
        +8
        Maybe then they will learn how to shoot a normal movie. And domestic cinema is needed exactly THIS, and not otherwise.
    2. nnm
      nnm 23 September 2020 06: 57
      10
      This is the other side of the coin, colleague - then there will simply be no Russian cinema on the screens and the younger generation will think that Hitler was defeated by Private Ryan, and the Russians fly into space wearing earflaps. We urgently need high-quality domestic cinema.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 23 September 2020 07: 21
        +9
        Quote: nnm
        the younger generation will believe that Hitler was defeated by Private Ryan, and the Russians fly into space wearing earflaps.

        And here it is not known what is worse ... What you wrote, or what programs from the screens - the war was won by penalty boxes driven by barrage detachments under the command of drunken commissars and special officers (and even with the Germans, they say, not everything is so simple), they flew with the threat of execution ...
        1. nnm
          nnm 23 September 2020 07: 46
          0
          I agree with you, that's why I write:
          Quote: nnm
          We urgently need high-quality domestic cinema.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 23 September 2020 07: 50
            +1
            Quote: nnm
            We urgently need high-quality domestic cinema.

            In-in, especially against the background of a general decline in education .. Although all this is in the same hands.
            1. nnm
              nnm 23 September 2020 08: 20
              +1
              Absolutely the right direction was set - as long as such an education system remains in the country, no cinema will save.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 23 September 2020 08: 23
                0
                Quote: nnm
                Absolutely the right direction was set - as long as such an education system remains in the country, no cinema will save.

                uh ... like BE and cinema and education from one customer-curator ... one complements the other ..
                1. nnm
                  nnm 23 September 2020 08: 27
                  +1
                  Sure. But education is more systemic and long lasting in terms of its impact and result. It should teach how to work with documentary evidence and primary sources. Must teach critical thinking. Responsibility for decisions and actions. That is, it forms the basis. And cinema is more visual and emotional. And in order to understand whether they are lying to you from the screen or not, you must have the same basis.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 23 September 2020 19: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: nnm
                    But education is more systemic and long lasting in terms of its impact and result. It should teach how to work with documentary evidence and primary sources.

                    Ha-ha .. This is the kind of education that the current government does not only need not, but it is also directly harmful - people will learn to think, but questions are uncomfortable to ask.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 September 2020 08: 58
        +4
        Quote: nnm
        We urgently need high-quality domestic cinema.

        the main agent of the State Department from the film industry to remove
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 07: 41
      +7
      Quote: fa2998
      Yes, let them shoot anything! Just remove the BUDGETARY MONEY from the cinema

      Almost all Soviet films were made for budget money.
      In today's economy, levying taxes on the creation of low-grade filth when Russian children need expensive medical care and their parents need money is a crime that has no name.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 September 2020 08: 59
        +3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Almost all Soviet films were made for budget money.

        then there was an Ideology that had real legal force, there was a goal slightly blurred by Khrushchev.
  5. Olgovich
    Olgovich 23 September 2020 06: 08
    16
    Obviously, the scriptwriters, who did not find support in Hollywood, decided to try their luck at the Russian box office. And successfully. American Michael Zilberman at the expense of the "Cinema Fund" will shoot "Aspiration", in which not a word will be in Russian, and the story itself is planned ... in the Canadian outback.


    This is generally some kind of nonsense: here it is necessary to write to the Investigative Committee in order to find out why rollback officials from the World of Cinema agreed to finance with Russian money .... amerskoe cinema?
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 September 2020 06: 09
    12
    If you give the "moderate Tyutchev" authority, then even so, half of the "creativity" will have to be removed from the box office, theater and broadcast. There are too many episodes with the propaganda of crime, perverted morality, extremism, "historical self-flagellation" and Russophobia. It is easier to simply close budget funding for entertainment cinema. And Bondarchuk's and K's movie comics will simply disappear by themselves. Let the "investors" finance their own bullshit.

    ps There are very few high-quality (!) Educational and educational films. So they need to be supported.
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 September 2020 06: 10
    +5
    Of course, the methods of censorship and banning foreign cinema as the most radical will obviously not help here.
    belay Have you tried? We, and the result was quite positive. Soviet cinema. How much, 5-10% of foreign countries, and ours shone with quality. Let not all 100%, but "there was a fish in the river!" (Raikin).
    And why does the sick one hurt you from the right words?
  8. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 September 2020 06: 16
    -3
    That there can be no percentage of successful paintings. Not only here, but also in Hollywood, in India ...
    The fact that only about ten percent pays off is sadness.
    I'm more afraid of the proposal to introduce censorship. Not consultants (often so needed in films), but censorship. Why is it scary? Because a certain man clothed with power will then, after the failure of the picture, impose the opinion that it is not the picture that is a failure, but that I (and the rest of the audience) are not an intelligent person. I don't understand such "masterpieces" as "Holiday", "Tanks", and others.
    Nobody wants to lose their place and position.
    Now I started watching the TV series "Satellites".
    Again, everything is in a dumb form, such as without makeup, but still beauties and further along the knurled one. Only the driver is always grimy. What's in the meeting, what's in the booth, what's in the cop.
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 23 September 2020 07: 02
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I'm more afraid of the proposal to introduce censorship.

      I was waiting for the next logical question "Who will be the censors?", But somehow it did not work out ...
      1. unaha
        unaha 23 September 2020 08: 44
        -1
        "And who will be the censors?" - "who needs", they will))
  9. Free wind
    Free wind 23 September 2020 06: 18
    +8
    Apparently, the denyushek did not break off from the knight. I’m not watching anything on TV anymore, there are no cinemas in the city, I wanted to see Stalingrad, but I wanted to smash the TV set, the Americans did it more interesting, about our sniper, the Americans make films about our heroes. It may be easier to ban cinema and football in our country, all the same they only harm. And I mean football seriously, it should be banned here.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 September 2020 09: 01
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      And I mean football seriously, it should be banned here.

      forgot about hockey !! laughing What are the hooligan fans and BEER ads !!!! a feeling that hockey and beer do not spill water brothers!
  10. arnulla
    arnulla 23 September 2020 06: 36
    11
    I have not watched domestic films for a long time. Most of the complete slag ... And television is generally a garbage can
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 07: 34
      +5
      Quote: arnulla
      I have not watched domestic films for a long time. Full slag for the most part

      And I'm looking. My Fatherland is the USSR. This is where all my favorite films are. Today I will watch (you will understand):
  11. nnm
    nnm 23 September 2020 06: 46
    11
    It seems to me that the main mistake of this letter is as follows:
    For example, from 2012 to 2017, out of 160 films released under the auspices of the Cinema Fund, only 19 paid off!

    In this situation, everything cannot be reduced to money. The most important of the arts still plays a huge role in shaping the consciousness and personality of the viewer. And you need to chase not for the ruble and payback, but precisely for the fact that to convey to the beholder the correct values ​​- about history, about human relationships, about friendship, duty, love. Yes, maybe a film about the war will not be so bright and colorful, but they will not pour into their heads about drunken nkvd officers, about idiots - commanders, about spoiling German pilots and our ancestors who lived a hand in the Ssovites. It is simply necessary to form the consciousness of people. For now, a film about Kosmodemyanskaya in a torn quilted jacket may collect less at the box office than about a doll with pumped lips, but it is simply necessary to change this approach of the audience. For this is how the state determines who it will eventually raise from the audience - Zoya or some kind of Sobchak or Bagdasaryan.
    But it is imperative that professional historians deal with films and not pour buckets of pathos from the screen. Only the truth.
    And in fact, Bed Comedian has already said everything on this topic ..
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 23 September 2020 07: 04
      +7
      Quote: nnm
      Yes, maybe a film about the war will not be so bright and colorful, but they will not pour into their heads about drunken nkvdshniks, about idiots - commanders, about shitting German pilots and our ancestors who lived the hand of the Ssovites

      So maybe that's exactly what the budget is funding for?
      Look, "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" looks like only because of the scene of dispossession, which has not been remade in the book ...
      1. nnm
        nnm 23 September 2020 07: 09
        +5
        I also sometimes think so. To be honest, I almost stopped looking at modern fakes, even on the topic of WWII - it's just disgusting to see what our history is being turned into.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 23 September 2020 07: 11
          +4
          Quote: nnm
          even on the topic of BOB

          This is where the most ideological lies
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 07: 29
      +5
      Quote: nnm
      whom it will eventually bring up from the audience - Zoya or some kind of Sobchak or Bagdasaryan.

      Whom will they educate? Could you tell me who is flowing around here and "ya $$ is squirming" from laughter:

      If this did not cause an animal "laugh" in you, then it can only mean one thing: you, fortunately, are not part of the "elite circle" ...
      Doesn't it remind you of Sodom and Gommoru?
    3. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 23 September 2020 08: 54
      0
      theoretically, you are absolutely right .. but in fact, young people simply will not watch such films .. had the experience of talking with young people about our modern cinema, they watched literally several modern films (not counting comedies) - i.e. it is generally unclear for whom this is being filmed .. and if there is a serious film about values ​​(even though it is correct) - I assure you - in the end, you and I will be its audience, and young people will watch some "Avengers" ..
      In cinema - Hollywood cannot be won, rather the task is not to lose .. you need to take an example from Chinese cinema - mainly films about the history of China, in this genre Hollywood is not a competitor, and it is also taken as a partner, well, to shoot, while , of course, you need a high quality, then one way or another the audience will be wider, and they pay off at the same time .. and of course there are not 90 percent of them in China .. 90 percent of the screens - only slag can be scored, serious, good films in such quantities are not there are ..
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 24 September 2020 10: 20
        +1
        It is better to shoot historical financially budget educational and documentary films and TV series and post them freely on the website of the Ministry of Education. The bottom line is that such films are precisely documentary and educational materials, not entertainment materials with references to primary sources, documents, facts, material evidence, museum and archival funds, which schoolchildren and students have the right to use in educational preparation and to appeal to them when revising their grades and points. Teachers and educational literature should be given for references, for example, in relation to private or in-depth details.
        Since this is purely educational material (like a movie about an operation for a surgeon, for example), there is simply no place for any deviation from documentary facts and the personal point of view of directors and actors, and any errors in facts (wrong costume, incorrect script, etc.) the customer has the right not to accept and force it to be redone at the expense of the contractor.
        With educational historical films for students and educational institutions, the situation is even worse - they simply do not exist, and in terms of reporting facts and their interpretation, which is not financially burdensome for the budget, they are much better than ordinary feature films.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 24 September 2020 11: 23
          0
          so to speak, methodically .. you are 100% right, but even better in combination with artistic historical ones .. all the same, young people will not go to educational theaters ..
          1. ycuce234-san
            ycuce234-san 24 September 2020 16: 06
            +1
            young people will not go to educational theaters


            Why go to the cinema when it's the kind of educational material, like a driver's manual for neophyte drivers? - download, watch, then pass the test or answer orally or refer to the abstract. In addition, these information materials should not be limited to films - the spectrum should be much wider - audiobooks and ready-made collections of various texts, electronic tests and reference books, thematic simple games - for example, desktop games that can be printed on a color printer or 3D printer, photo -video materials, records of courses, lectures and radio broadcasts, maps - simple non-interactive and interactive, statistical, economic and technical data in tables, indicating the original sources, scans of documents from archives, scans of antiques and second-hand books, paintings, 3D-models of sculptures, rare equipment and objects of material culture, architecture, electronic periodicals and all sorts of collections of materials, etc., etc.
            And the artist is too expensive and not to be pulled, and it is not very necessary - for one feature film the amount of 40 million US dollars is nothing at all - and how many such documentary and educational materials can be made with the same money, especially without star directors and actors and giving jobs and experience to ordinary graduates and third-rate specialists? Superpowers from the performers are not required there - just accurate adherence to the facts and some accuracy of execution.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 24 September 2020 16: 35
              0
              You are right of course .. I'm talking about the fact that studies are often not as good for young people as going to the movies, remember how everyone ran to all sorts of Rambo and terminators, although at school they taught according to the "correct" program, because it was not "out of hand "and spectacular ..
              and money .. well, next year, to support only the media and control the Internet, 2 billion dollars are allocated .. for 1 film a year on the history of Russia - I think you can pick up money) in the end - just remakes of modern Soviet films can be shot. ...
              1. ycuce234-san
                ycuce234-san 24 September 2020 18: 05
                0
                Sovfilmy is an artist of that period and, roughly speaking, a high-quality documentary is needed. The difference between them is like between an expensive cartoon "Madagascar" and a film expedition of professional zoologists to this island with the result of work issued to the society - a mountain of ordered and annotated reporting expeditionary photographic materials, diaries, diaries, analytical documents and final articles in a special period. They watch videos on the web and listen to audio, including on narrow and "boring" topics like repairing a motorcycle's CPG or the properties of chemical elements with visual reactions. And these materials will be used and shared with friends - if their quality makes it possible to do without a paper textbook, but instead, for example, spend an evening walking while listening to educational audio recordings.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 23 September 2020 07: 00
    +1
    So there is no dispute about tastes ... but then to taste, if, then at your own expense!
    And the state to intervene \ not to interfere ??? each era has its own films .... and talent, he will find a way of self-expression.
    1. nnm
      nnm 23 September 2020 07: 05
      +1
      To be honest, dear colleague, I am not sure that this works in modern Russia. He will either leave the country, or will bang his head against the wall in search of funding, which has already been distributed to relatives or friends.
      Although, for example, in the situation with Durov you are right. But the result .... left.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 September 2020 07: 12
        0
        Quote: nnm
        To be honest, dear colleague, I am not sure that this works in modern Russia.

        Do you think in the West SUCH A SYSTEM was formed immediately?
        Ours, however, pulled the worst out of their system and are lagging behind in development a lot, a lot ...
        Yes, moreover, our "talents, intelligentsia" have grown, nurtured in a "greenhouse" system of nomenklatura-command type !!! They have forgotten how / are not able to fight .... but squealing, denouncing, building claims, they have a lot at once.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 23 September 2020 07: 40
          -7
          Quote: rocket757
          ... but talent, he will find a way to express himself.

          Charlie Chaplin is famous and talented. In one of his roles, he ridiculed Hitler and society treated Hitler as a jester ... We all know what this "jester" did, but half of the blame for his atrocities lies with Chaplin - it was he who "turned a blind eye" to Hitler. So talent is talent, but you have to see what it brings to society, what it directs the fragile minds of young people - to creation or destruction.

          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 September 2020 07: 48
            11
            Quote: Boris55
            half of the blame for his atrocities lies with Chaplin - it was he who "closed the eyes" of society to Hitler.

            Are you serious?
            Do you think the serious guys who helped, nurtured such a monster watched Chaplin and his "Dictator", do you think they listened to the public opinion?
            This is some kind of naivety ...
            Those guys needed that war and EVERYTHING, they created it ...
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 23 September 2020 07: 56
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              do you think they listened to the public opinion?

              "Until the idea takes possession of society, it is dead" K. Marx.

              Do you think the bourgeoisie gave us 20 free TV channels out of their generosity? They do not listen to society - they shape the opinion of society incl. and through the cinema, but they need the opinion of society because if society does not accept what they want, then nothing will happen. Nobody canceled egregorial matrix management.


              “Indeed, Allah does not change what is with people until they themselves change what is with them.” (Quran 13: 12)

              “... the Kingdom of God will not come in a noticeable way, and they will not say: behold, it is here, or: behold, there. For behold, the kingdom of God is within you ”(Luke 17: 20-21)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 September 2020 08: 18
                +3
                but they need the opinion of society, because if society does not accept what they want, then nothing will happen.
                Quote: Boris55
                but they need the opinion of society, because if society does not accept what they want, then nothing will happen.

                Purely theory, not always confirmed by practice.
                Do you think SOCIETY wanted to raise the retirement age, now it is happy and wants ???? in spite of ve and all that carry on TV and the media?
                Often the top ones do what they want, just realizing that a passive, fragmented, defunct "SOCIETY" CANNOT do anything, DOES NOT WANT to oppose them ... this also happens, most often, by the way.
                capitalism, and any ruling in general, has long been completely cut off and are ready to do what they need without looking back at the "lower classes" ...
                Propaganda, suggestion, alignment of the so-called. they will deal with public opinion, by inertia, just in case ... it is true that we, at the moment, is happening.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 23 September 2020 08: 38
                  -5
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Do you think SOCIETY wanted to raise the retirement age, now it is happy and wants ????

                  Society did not want the socialism that was built by the end of the USSR, and raising the retirement age is a consequence. Society did not want what was, but what will be - it did not know, but those who led us to this knew for sure. As they say - not knowledge does not absolve from responsibility.

                  Quote: rocket757
                  Propaganda, suggestion, alignment of the so-called. public opinion, they will be engaged, by inertia, just in case

                  Whatever we want to change, it took them 40 years to convince us of this. That is why no one stood up to defend the socialism that was built by the 90s.

                  Since the topic is about films, you probably watched the film: "The Diamond Hand" and everyone saw how there "casually" advertise the West ...



                  How they soldered us through the movies:



                  Doctors recommend:

                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 23 September 2020 09: 22
                    0
                    There is ADVERTISING! And there is a contradiction, which is life itself ... kind of like the best proof !!! But a person is such ... a strange creature that manages to enter / climb even where it is WRITTEN "DO NOT GET KILL" !!! Not even a skull with bones can stop him!
                    in general, rake jumping is our ETERNAL !!! plus a dozen, another vices for a snack, at least some of which everyone has!
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 23 September 2020 09: 41
                      0
                      Quote: rocket757
                      There is ADVERTISING! And there is a counterclamation that is life itself

                      Which comes first, an egg or a chicken ...

                      At the beginning of perestroika, "Slave Izaur" and "The Rich Cry The Same" were shown on TV. Towards the end of their show, Chubais appeared with vouchers: "People, I will fulfill your wishes - to whom the hacienda, to whom the villa, come, pay, sign, get and walk Vasya ...". And the people ran to redeem vouchers with the promised two Volga ... Indians at least offered glass beads ... As a result, neither hacienda, nor a villa, and there is no country ... hello capitalism with all the consequences.

                      So what is primary, does consciousness form being or being determines consciousness?
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 23 September 2020 10: 06
                        0
                        And a person, such a creature, is not confused by paradoxes and so on!
                        There is an egg, will cook scrambled eggs. There is a chicken, a subchik will cook .... and pof him what appeared earlier / later.
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 23 September 2020 09: 08
                0
                Quote: Boris55
                Nobody canceled egregorial matrix management.

                an Americanized view of the problem. What do you dislike about simple sociology and the concept of three levels of social consciousness? Everything in Russian, without eggrigorization smile
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 23 September 2020 09: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  What You Don't Like Simple Sociology

                  Sociology does not explain, it fixes.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 23 September 2020 14: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Sociology does not explain, it fixes.

                    if Marx studied the types of behavior of animals, he would perhaps abandon the theory of class struggle
                  2. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 23 September 2020 18: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Sociology does not explain, it fixes

                    sociology just explains, the trouble is that no one in Russia today sets before sociologists the tasks of BREAKTHROUGH, they are given the task of forming a positive image of power and preventing social explosions. Poorly poorly they cope with why YOU have an opinion.
                    If a group of social scientists is given the task of developing a program for a breakthrough in the socio-economic sphere, if you pay well for a good job and shoot for failure, in two months a draft state model will be ready for which 30% economic growth per year is a reality laughing
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 24 September 2020 07: 44
                      0
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      ... sociology just explains ...

                      Sociology is a form of feedback that determines the degree of influence of the media on society, identifies the shortcomings of this influence, and corrects the work of the media to form the necessary opinion in society to solve the problems of the owners of the media.

                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      If a group of social scientists is asked to develop a program for a breakthrough in the socio-economic sphere,

                      You mean the development of the concept of life of the structure of society, alternative to the current one. This development has existed since the mid-80s. The current concept in every possible way hushes up and discredits it. Its name is KOB. You can easily find information on the internet on it.
                      As a recommendation: https://fct-altai.ru/

                      ps
                      Is sociology a purely Russian invention?
                      1. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 24 September 2020 07: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Sociology is a form of feedback,

                        don't you confuse this with a talk show?
        2. nnm
          nnm 23 September 2020 07: 44
          0
          Of course not. I will say more - I am faithful that they did and are doing it now on purpose.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 September 2020 07: 52
            +1
            For all my dislike for the top ones, to say that they are DURNY ... alas, no way. They do what IM needs ... and we kick, we try to survive, and even then not all.
  13. nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 September 2020 07: 12
    +3
    If there is no desire to re-watch the film a second time, then this is an empty film. But something else surprises. The actors who played iconic roles put on the costumes of the heroes, and engage in mentorship. They are fondled with money, they are cherished. Never before in the life of the country has there been such a thing that actors become politicians. And strangely enough, they listen to them. How, one played Stalin himself, the other Brezhnev. It remains to play the Lord God, and everyone will worship them.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 September 2020 10: 53
      +2
      Quote: nikvic46
      But what is surprising is that the actors who played the iconic roles put on the costumes of the heroes and engage in mentorship. They are fondled with money, they are cherished. Never before in the life of the country has there been such a thing that actors become politicians.

      Moreover, if you think about it, people who make a living by pretending to be other people for money are trying to teach and guide us. And the more talented they pretend to be, the more famous they are.
      Every time I see a lyceum on the screen talking about the fate of Russia, the question arises in my head - is he playing another role? And who paid him for it?
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 14: 11
        +1
        I read your comment, and the very first association -

        )))
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 23 September 2020 14: 13
          +1
          What a horror. smile
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 14: 22
            0
            A familiar taxi driver (and they, as you know, know everything) said that he gave a lift to the executor Zhirinovsky. He told him that Vladimir Volfovich inserted a clause in his will, according to which he forbids Bezrukov to play himself after death.
            Information 100%
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 14: 45
      -1
      Quote: nikvic46
      If there is no desire to watch the film a second time, then this is an empty film.

      subjectively.
      If you there is no desire to revise, it does not mean that the film is bad. It just might not be your type)
      There is an immutable law in show business - any pop art will find its audience.
  14. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 September 2020 07: 19
    +4
    We do not want to part with the morality that has been instilled in us. How they could have rooted its foundations in the minds of children. But since 1991, moral foundations have been turned upside down:

    And today no one can believe it, this is right:
    - Conscientious work for the benefit of society: who does not work, he does not eat.
    - Everyone's concern for the preservation and enhancement of the public domain.
    - High awareness of public duty, intolerance of violations of public interests.
    - Collectivism and comradely mutual assistance: each for all, all for one.
    - Humane relations and mutual respect between people: man is a friend to man, comrade and brother.
    - Honesty and truthfulness, moral purity, simplicity and modesty in public and private life.
    - Mutual respect in the family, caring for the upbringing of children.
    - Intolerance to injustice, parasitism, dishonesty, careerism, money-grubbing.

    Here's a movie, as well as: theater, literature, television, humor, relationships, youth programs ideals. You cannot educate morality on lies and uncleanliness.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 08: 28
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      You cannot educate morality on lies and uncleanliness.

      definitely. But you can't stoop to hypocrisy and mentoring diktat in art either. I would like without extremes.
  15. Boris55
    Boris55 23 September 2020 07: 21
    +1
    Quote: E. Fedorov
    It remains only to convince the authorities that this is really necessary.

    "Hope for power, but don't do it yourself"
    I don’t look at a modern remake in principle. The censor should be in everyone's head.
  16. Million
    Million 23 September 2020 07: 23
    +2
    In total, nearly 40 million budget dollars were spent on this top ten, of which one third did not return.

    So what is more important: to earn money or spirituality?
  17. Million
    Million 23 September 2020 07: 25
    +5
    Does anyone watch the series "Trace"?
    Who and why allocates money for it ???
    1. German Titov
      German Titov 23 September 2020 08: 02
      +1
      And the "Streets of broken lamps ... twelve?"
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 14: 47
      0
      Quote: Million
      Does anyone watch the series "Trace"?
      Who and why allocates money for it ???

      The TV soap industry works exactly the opposite - it is singled out precisely because they are watching.
  18. Shuttle
    Shuttle 23 September 2020 07: 57
    +8
    Instead of a thousand words. I'll just leave it here.
  19. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 23 September 2020 08: 06
    +1
    Quote: Million
    Who and why allocates money for it ???

    All the whims of the "behemoths and intelligentsia" in one form or another are paid by the population from their own pockets.
    1. Directly buying a ticket for a movie at the box office.
    2. Taxes - as partial government funding from the budget
    3. An advertising premium on the goods we buy - as "private business investments" and donations

    In a word, all this "bohemia" does not bear any risks, because even their already earned money invested in "shYdevr kinimatogrOf" is part of the money spent on filming or theaters, read - all of the above. They are measured in their circle only by the rental volume, therefore "If you don't want, don't look"their logical answer, because in the best theatrical traditions the ending of the phrase"You have already paid for the item"is silent and must be rethought by the viewer himself.
  20. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 September 2020 08: 13
    +6
    The situation with Russian cinema is delusional, but it is proposed to replace it with no less delusional
    1. unaha
      unaha 23 September 2020 08: 38
      +2
      It is proposed to replace it with a familiar and comfortable one for the participants.
  21. bar
    bar 23 September 2020 08: 20
    +2
    First, we need to decide - are we for "spirituality" or for "payback"? And only then think what to do. And then the author himself is also thrown from wall to wall.
  22. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 08: 20
    0
    I read the comments, caught myself thinking that I can't even remember when and what Russian film I watched the last time (I mean new items, and not periodically revised light little things of Astrakhan or Mamin). It seems to be "Moving up". Not bad, but I will not revise it.
    I'm waiting for "Dear Comrades" by Konchalovsky.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 September 2020 08: 44
      0
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      I caught myself thinking that I can't even remember when and what Russian film I watched the last time

      I remember exactly :))) "28 Panfilovites" Shaliop
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 08: 50
        0
        And what is your impression?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 September 2020 09: 52
          +4
          Excellent. That is, on the one hand, the film does not look like a masterpiece by many parameters, but on the other hand, it awakens feelings in some strange way ... well, like "Hot Snow" when you first watch it. This is not "Hot Snow", of course, not "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", not "Only Old Men Go to Battle", but still.
          And yet - I was shocked by how, with a meager budget, I managed to get such battle scenes. EMNIP Panfilov's budget - something within 45 million rubles
          I highly recommend watching
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 10: 05
            +5
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            I highly recommend watching

            yes I looked. Not bad for an amateur. To such an extent not bad that he put any high-budget military unit to shame.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 September 2020 10: 46
              +2
              I totally agree
  23. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 23 September 2020 08: 22
    +3
    Hmm ... Are there any differences between the authors of this letter? Or is there again the question of the feeder?
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 08: 32
      +2
      Quote: Fedorovich
      Hmm ... Are there any differences between the authors of this letter? Or is there again the question of the feeder?

      absolutely correct remark)
  24. unaha
    unaha 23 September 2020 08: 36
    0
    "In general, the initiative of the participants of the" Golden Knight "looks at least too radical and will not lead to anything good." - why does not it lead ... lead, but especially for the participants themselves.
  25. Valerikk
    Valerikk 23 September 2020 09: 03
    0
    from 2012 to 2017, out of 160 films released under the auspices of the Cinema Fund, only 19 paid off!

    In my opinion, it should be simple: released a "masterpiece" that did not pay off - pay the difference!
  26. shubin
    shubin 23 September 2020 09: 06
    +2
    No matter how badly American Hollywood, but everything is on self-sufficiency, it sucks to remove your problems, the film company and sponsors bear the losses. In general, what kind of state, such is cinema.
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 23 September 2020 14: 03
      0
      They have exactly the same situation in sports.
      1. shubin
        shubin 23 September 2020 16: 44
        0
        That's it! Therefore, they do not care about all the doping scandals, the athlete is personally responsible, not the state.
  27. polk26l
    polk26l 23 September 2020 09: 21
    +1
    One must be aware of the "root"! Who is this cinema, performances, television programs and in general, all the media needed ?! And when you think, pranalize and evaluate, you will understand !!! This is necessary for our sworn "friends", "colleagues", "partners", etc. from the USA and their satellites, who for centuries "sleep and see" the collapse of Russia and the seizure of its territory !!! And for this it is necessary to destroy the country and the people from the inside! Ukraine is a striking example! As soon as the socialist ideology disappeared, with the collapse of the USSR, active work began immediately on replacing the national healthy historical "braces" with the enemy satanic "false democratic", all-permissive, depraved, killing the human soul and body! This is especially scary for the future of the country - children and youth !!! And the enemies of Russia, acting from the outside, and more from the inside, of these corrupt "Judas", turned out to be a lot !!! Look and listen to the Russian media, especially television, including the allegedly state. Channels with their managers receiving state. rewards for their Jewish work! This is "Sodom and Gomorrah", for the corruption and denigration of the pure souls of Russians! Television has become a "Window to Hell"! The same thing happens in the movies! Continuous murder, violence, debauchery, betrayal and treason !!! This is what is being propagated to the population of Russia from TV boxes, cinemas and other media in Russia! And the authorities, hypocritically announcing about some kind of "national braces" and patriotism, turn a blind eye to all this satanic bacchanalia and, in fact, lead it, including financing it! If the people do not unite and force the authorities and the state to nationalize, all media and state cinema will not introduce state censorship on the media and works of literature, journalism, cinema and theater! If it does not return the state ideology to a socialist type, with the addition of truly historical national braces, including the Orthodox, then in the near future, the goals of the United States and its minions, to collapse Russia from within, will be achieved! The example of Ukraine, for our rulers and society, does nothing! They naively believe in the "kindness" of the American hawks! Therefore, they do not want to change anything! Therefore, the people themselves must demand from the rulers! Stop corrupting society! We demand to nationalize all media and culture in the Russian Federation !!! Introduce state censorship of media and cultural works! To clear the media and Objects of Culture from Western ideology alien to Russians, led by the USA !!! We demand to nationalize television and radio by closing all television channels and radio frequencies of radio stations that corrupt the population of Russia and undermine national bonds, morality and ethics! Completely replace the management of television and television channels, having carried out a strict selection of new employees and managers, on an ideological, patriotic basis !!! To develop a new concept and programs for the work of television, radio and the media, adopting the experience of the USSR, in educating the population of Russia, especially children and youth, on the basis of historical bonds, patriotism, morality and ethics !!! Prohibit negative and corrupting information from TV news programs! The information should only be positive and patriotic! Use the experience of the USSR !, and the Time Forward program (E. Super). Develop new programs for the upbringing of children and youth, the entire population of Russia, in the media, in educational and educational institutions, based on national bonds, norms of morality and ethics, and approve them at the state level! Introduce a provision on state ideology into the Constitution of the Russian Federation! Also, to introduce into the Constitution of the Russian Federation, provisions on national braces, observance of morality and ethics in the media, the national educational system, institutions of science and culture !!! If this is not done, then in the coming years our potential enemies, led by the United States, will celebrate another victory after the victory in the Cold War, the collapse of the USSR and the separation of the former socialist organizations.
  28. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 23 September 2020 09: 28
    +2
    EARNING? Is this poor language skills (more than a characteristic feature of modern "journalism") or deliberate distortion? The fund as a business structure earns nothing. Absolutely. Generally. And as a bunch of thieves and traitors, he steals money. According to the author's conviction, this process is earnings. Someone at the plant earns, and someone, as the author claims, earns by stealing. "And what - to steal is also work!" Yes? Right?
    Why can't you put a minus on the article ?!
  29. Selevc
    Selevc 23 September 2020 09: 42
    +2
    In their address to Vladimir Putin and Mikhail Mishustin, the signatories pointed to the degradation of Russian cinema over the past thirty years.
    It is not only Russian cinema that is degrading - the entire world cinema is degrading ...

    Cinema today does not reflect life as it is - modern directors apparently do not care deeply about this. Cinema today does not put forward talents, does not glorify personality - today cinema is 50 shades of gray and lies !!! Cinema today replaces real historical events - with fantasy events ... Cinema today is a competition between directors - who will release the most vulgar and most fake film. Moreover, the global financial injections into the cinema are now huge - and at the exit there is a dulk with poppy seeds !!!
    Therefore, in recent decades, near-cinema events, such as the Oscars, and who of the stars in what on the red carpet came out, have become extremely popular.
    What to say about Russian cinema - when Hollywood itself was blown away !!! And Russian cinema has become like a bad parody of bad Hollywood !!! Modern Hollywood actors are probably not bad by modern standards - but they look miserable next to even the era of Terminator and Rocky !!! In comparison with the Golden era of cinema (50-70 years of the last century) - there is no modern cinema !!! It died in the 90s - turning into dreary intervals between advertising and that's it !!!
  30. iouris
    iouris 23 September 2020 09: 46
    -1
    This is spirituality, but a specific spirituality. Question: why were the amendments to the constitution adopted?
  31. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 23 September 2020 09: 47
    +2
    I can remember a couple - three of not repulsive modern domestic films, and the rest is a hackneyed slag for degenerates. The disgusting Galustianism really overwhelmed. And the state has to fight this. And you can't do without censorship, in any way.
  32. north 2
    north 2 23 September 2020 09: 49
    0
    those who create art-house films do not demand or receive money from either the Russian budget or
    some funds there. Let him continue to create what he wants. And those who receive money from the state. budget, topics
    there must be a clear framework in the values ​​on which the state stands. But what's strange is that even those who
    creates arthouse films and does not receive subsidies from the state, even they did not begin to create a film about how Misha Gorbaty filled Raika in the hayloft or in the hostel. But the Teacher, who received money from the budget, created a vile film about the relationship between the Russian Tsar and the dancer Matilda ... From this the question follows: who and for what and for what money from the budget goes ... Obviously, this is commanded by the liberal-Akhedzhak hydra in the cinema industry, as in the Pugachev - Makarevichna hydra in music and in song
    repertoire on television. There is such a wonderful singer Maria Demyanenko, the granddaughter of everyone known
    Shurik. Answer how many times the Pugachev-Makarevichny hydra Maria Demyanenko with her magnificent
    the song "Time Will Change" allowed on television? I answer right away, not once. And singing panties every day from the song body. gear does not come out ...
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: north 2
      Answer how many times the Pugachev-Makarevichnaya hydra

      Gosspodi, yes Makar, what's the matter here ?? In show business, he does not decide a damn thing in view of his lack of handshake. Who did he let or did not let on television, what nonsense?

      Quote: North 2
      Maria Demyanenko with her magnificent song "Time Will Change"


      Yes, there is nothing magnificent there, the usual passing pathos in the spirit of getting up from your knees.
      1. north 2
        north 2 23 September 2020 13: 27
        -1
        The Pugachev-Makarevichnaya hydra does not necessarily crawl on its own in the highest offices of the leaders of the body. channels. Enough their ideology of the tavern level than the liberals admire in the leadership of the body. channels. After all, from someone's ideology, like a kick in their ass on the path of liberalism, these leaders must, after all, make a start. In order to receive both direction and acceleration. From where and how did the singer of the tavern Uspenskaya make her way and does not get out of the TV screens? It was not Makar who brought her there, but Makar's ideas from his songs, ... that life is not a struggle, but a tavern and you just have to have fun and then all the ships will return home ... But Maria Demyanenko invites Russia and Russia to fight. By the way, if you don't want to get off your knees, you can continue to crawl, and the Pugachev-Makarevic ideologists will be only glad that you still did not understand the insidiousness of their ideology and did not appreciate the call from the song of Maria Demyanenko ... They will appreciate you. ... like a vegetable, because their ideology is intended for such an audience ...
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 13: 50
          +1
          bright speech laughing
          You, therefore, would like to hear Shapiro-Solovyov's voice and bravura patriotic songs about “all life is a struggle”, “enemies are all around”, “closer ranks, no time to eat” and other “their ideology” from all the irons around the clock? I understood you. Stay tuned, your feedback is very important to us.
  33. Radikal
    Radikal 23 September 2020 10: 15
    +3
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    For Russian cinema! Standing and not clinking glasses! crying

    Rather, for the Soviet - without clinking glasses, and this is, as you put it, Russian, for a very long time it will amaze others with its "masterpieces" ... sad hi
  34. tatra
    tatra 23 September 2020 10: 26
    0
    Censorship has long existed in post-Soviet Russian cinema - no one will allocate budget money for positive films about Lenin and Stalin, censorship has long been in American cinema - there must be a lot of blacks and homosexual stuff.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 September 2020 11: 22
      -1
      By the way, what about the "enemies of the communists"? It's strange to see your comment without this bogey)
  35. Radikal
    Radikal 23 September 2020 10: 39
    +5
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: nnm
    We urgently need high-quality domestic cinema.

    the main agent of the State Department from the film industry to remove

    First, they need to be removed from ... you know where from, and then your hands will reach the cinema .... sad
  36. Old Orc
    Old Orc 23 September 2020 10: 44
    +2
    The whole problem is what the goal is. Earn, educate, make you think, entertain. based on this, what is the goal of the state. vid goskino is a customer who must set tasks and control the final result. and this is censorship. but censorship of only those film products that are ordered by the state. after all, if the cinema is compared with the army (and for that and for the other state allocates money) no one would accept for provision and would not pay money for a tricycle with an electrically heated front wheel and a square left rear wheel painted in fluorescent pink paint, since this is how the engineer sees it. what is the difference between the final product for the army and for cinema from the state?
  37. 54RG3
    54RG3 23 September 2020 10: 54
    0
    "back to censorship"?
    Why not? You give the Hayes code in Russian cinema
  38. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 23 September 2020 12: 12
    +2
    Gentlemen - I suspect that the problem is much deeper than the "Cinema Foundation". Over the past 10 years, I have seen many excellent, brightest, dynamic and rich American, French, Spanish, Australian and even, damn it, German TV shows - in which (almost) everything was beautiful - both the plot, and the selection of actors, and the development of this plot, music, atmosphere - I wanted to revise many of these stories, the release of the new season was a real little holiday. And every time something similar and impressive appeared - I wondered a question that I did NOT find and still DO NOT find an answer. Why are we not trying to act in this direction? I open the list of domestic TV series in 2019, 2020 - and there, as for selection: detective / melodrama / drama / comedy. Crafts for mysticism and fantasy, firstly, are rare, and secondly, they are always paired with such a furious ballast and such a deshman budget that watching it is beyond any aesthetics. I'm not even talking about the plots of our masterpieces - some names in the style of "Lawyer" "Stargazer" "Surgeon" "Cop" and further down the list of professions - they already hint that the content will be familiar for a long time, dialogues and situations, plot, everything will cause heavy déjà vu, and even knitting under it will not work because of the traditionally toxic atmosphere and disregard for the soundtrack.
    This is our attitude to popular culture. Movies, TV shows - they are filmed for absolutely no one who knows. We are not making fiction. We do not dream of stars, time travel, new technologies - our "product" is full of stupid joys, banalities, murders, theft, sadness and hopelessness.
    Even if something historical is removed - damn it! It turns out such a burden, so much water, its just rivers. Behind the beautiful costumes and eminent actors, there is an uncomplicated plot on which they crawl on their belly in an absolutely sleepy atmosphere.

    Why is that ? I think partly because we are used to doing everything through the prism of a certain formalism. There is a "big man", some kind of a ministry of culture or a "cinema fund" and there are grated rolls who have a list (a large one) of what should be in cinema and what should not. A person comes to them who wants to create a product - with a plot, and they tell him - it’s not a dude, according to GOSTs there should be so much of this, so much of that, but you also cannot do that and you cannot. And if you shoot a historical film, then you cannot touch it and then accentuate it, and if fiction, then we will not give you money because there is some research by Rosstat, which says that such tapes on domestic screens do not pay off.
    This is such a hefty cast-iron vice, between the doors of which our fresh and regular crafts are created, unfortunately. The grips of the money distribution system and mentality. Much more censorship then ..

    I do not think so-called "commercial cinema" is anything bad. The laws of the market are simple and clear - the viewer votes with their praise or money spent in cinemas. The director who released one time - another garbage is sent to the dump, and in their place come those who are better, and so on until the moment when "just right." Before cramming some kind of "morality" and "values" into the product - for starters, let them just learn how to make a product not for collective farmers and lumberjacks.
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 23 September 2020 13: 25
      0
      From fantasy I liked Belovodye, continuation While the fern is blooming. Epidemic and Better Than Humans are not bad either. But this is a matter of taste.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 23 September 2020 14: 12
        0
        No, there are good serials, but they are exactly "on the fingers", and against the background of the volume of our filmmaking it is barely to be seen, unfortunately ... but there is a demand for it, because we have torrents of American serials flourishing. That is, the argument that this is "not necessary and not interesting" to our highly spiritual society, rejecting Western pernicious materialism, is an illusion. However, the condition for meeting demand by the market does not work for some reason. I suspect that this is an artificial reason.
        In the USSR, unfortunately, the so-called "Consumer culture" was treated with prim disdain, believing that the Creators should not fall to the level of satisfying the needs of the masses, on the contrary, they need to reach the level of intellectual propaganda. And despite the fact that culturally this scheme turned out to be rudimentary and we blew through the cultural confrontation of the Cold War era - no conclusions were drawn, our "Creators" still do not want to be interested in consumer tastes, having gone to the other extreme compared to the Soviet one - they drive an array of outright consumer goods + festival cinema "not for everyone." Thus, paradoxically, our "Kinokultura" is for the most part divorced from the main carrier of this very culture - the people (and the consumer from the people). At least what I see fits into this sad pattern ..
  39. Living7111972
    Living7111972 23 September 2020 13: 12
    +2
    I try not to watch domestic films, especially about the war, or science fiction. In general, everything is somehow very bad.
    I was especially surprised by "Stalingrad" - how could they even invent such a thing?
    True, "August 8" was hooked, but this is the 20th century and the "Balkan frontier", which is also the 20th century Fox.
    What can you say here? How to spoil the "inhabited island" ... Our creative intelligentsia, that is also the telegraph.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 23 September 2020 14: 06
      0
      Quote: sala7111972
      I was especially surprised by "Stalingrad" - how could they even invent such a thing?

      Quote: sala7111972
      How to spoil the "inhabited island" ...

      The hand of one "great" master ....
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  41. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 23 September 2020 13: 15
    +3

    That you are as little ones - it's time to get used to the fact that state money in Russia is given to those who will return 40 (or better 50)% to the person who distributes the money :)
  42. parusnik
    parusnik 23 September 2020 14: 00
    +1
    Everything that happens to the "Cinema Fund" can be characterized simply: something needs to be done.
    .... But nothing can be done ... Not a movie "taco", life is such ... I propose to make a serial film, working title Prize-2 essence, the employees of a certain LLC, refuse the bonus for complexity and tension. The first 10 episodes, about how badly the employees work, drink coffee, talk on various topics during working hours and receive the specified allowance, the second 10 episodes during which, their conscience begins to wake up, can be extended and up to 20 in 10 will not fit, the remaining 20 episodes they follow the employer and open his eyes to himself and ask him not to pay them a premium. Powder the series, office romances, not a lot of crime, a bit of humor, about jo ... eeee butt, and please, an ideologically consistent domestic series of 50-60 episodes. laughing
  43. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 23 September 2020 14: 40
    +4
    As a person who has worked for more than thirty years in the field of sound recording, I am constantly touched by the distortion of concepts by modern "criminals" from art. I mean that such a body as the artistic council, which always consisted of real masters of a particular art form (not without the participation of party workers, of course, but they were savvy too) is called censorship. Actually, one of the members of the thin council was engaged in censorship, if there was a need for that and a certain work contained ideologically controversial moments. But most of the work of the artistic councils consisted precisely in the fact that that transcendental "jeans", which completely flooded today's Russian art, in any of its manifestations, did not get on the stage, screen, bookstore or art gallery.
    I argue ... In addition to working in the field of pop music and in various music studios, I worked as a sound engineer in the field of speech genre for six years. He wrote radio plays (Russian, Soviet and foreign literary classics) for the department of art programs of Radio Russia. I know many stage directors, almost all honored and folk actors that have ever been seen at the microphone (unfortunately, most of them are no longer with us). I spoke with many about the topic that this article raises. All the masters of the old school, as one. (EVERYONE!) Said that it was necessary to return the old Soviet authoritative artistic councils, as some form of state acceptance, if the art project is financed by the state. And I completely agree with them.
    Point.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 24 September 2020 15: 35
      0
      You can simply apply the competitive principles so that they work - upload preliminary scripts and other developments on the Internet on the Ministry of Culture's offsites, such as sketches of costumes for dressers, filming plans, lists and sketches of props, etc. films and other cultural products that claim state support. Everyone will immediately see the squalor of the material, and according to the reaction in the comments to the materials and in the vote, it will be possible to cut off 95% of proposals and materials, and only the remaining 5% should go to the second round, where they will be refined on the go and on a competitive basis compete for the attention of the experts of artistic councils and only in the third, post-competition, round, the material selected and passed through the selection screen, art experts begin to edit along with its authors, taking on a part of the author's responsibility, eliminating mistakes and raising its level. The final materials are published again and only after all the stages they can allocate state money. After graduation, acceptance is already carried out for the compliance of the result with the accepted materials.
      Everything else that has not passed the process of struggle for quality by the initiators themselves is removed and produced for commercial money.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 24 September 2020 17: 22
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        Quote: ycuce234-san
        Everyone will immediately see

        Sorry. You did not understand me in principle.
        "Everyone", who is this? You? To me? Even I, with my many years of experience, am not suitable for an artistic council. Here is Marlen Martynovich Khutsiev, with whom I worked a lot, that one - yes. Or Nikita Mikhalkov, with whom I also worked, in his "Three T".
        Feel the difference?

        It is not “everyone,” as you say, but those who are directly related to this art to decide how valuable, from the artistic perspective, this or that work of art should be. And not like we hold all sorts of singing contests, where often such characters sit on the jury that there is nowhere to put a sample (all sorts of cords / arbenins), but really deserved and wise people. However. on the stage there are no such people left, but in other areas the bearers of the old school and traditions are still alive.
        And about "everything", this is just from the category of "people hawala". For what shit, people (these same "everyone") do not pay in the same cinemas, just to spend the evening (there is simply no other).
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 25 September 2020 22: 47
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          And about "everything"


          The expert will assess at his own and the layman at his levels - just the same bad films are usually loudly outraged by ordinary people, and experts quietly write substantive and well-founded criticism in articles in their industry periodicals. Consensus is needed and prior bad consensus is better than good yelling after the fact. That is why the pre-filming materials must be submitted for public consideration before the state money (in fact, it is money from our pockets, collected through the tax system) has been allocated and poured out and not given money, until the resistance of the bulk of non-professional and professional critics is broken with using them, these materials, reasoned edits and improvements, at various stages - then at least the most egregious problems of film production can be eliminated. Now the system of publishing bills seems to work - when a sharp bill is published and then a wild howl and screeching begins - and sometimes it is even corrected taking into account criticism, in the future, it would be good to increase the degree of responsiveness of such a system to amendments. All kinds of public hearings and examinations work in about the same way, albeit rather poorly - a classic example, these are some kind of environmental public examinations, where citizens are never professional environmentalists and not "the powers that be", gradually press even very, very large businesses and over the years and decades, business has been increasingly focusing on the environment.
          It is clear that it would be good to implement this at least for financing with state money, let the market regulate completely private commercial films.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 26 September 2020 09: 33
            0
            Quote: ycuce234-san
            And about "everything"


            The expert will assess at his own and the layman at his levels - just the same bad films are usually loudly outraged by ordinary people and experts quietly write substantive and well-founded criticism in articles in their industry periodicals. .....

            You positively do not want to understand that a housekeeper cannot lead the state. This Leninist thesis does not work a priori. All that the so-called public can do is just defecate in comments, which we observe every day, on any Internet resources. It is clear that everyone wants to be involved in something great, but the bazaar at the level of the crowd has not created anything yet, but only destroyed what has already been done.
            And here are the articles in the specialized periodicals? What the hell are you talking about? The Arts Council is essentially the state acceptance of the state order. He either accepts the job or does not. And in case of rejection and impossibility of reworking the project, the "creator" can forever be excommunicated from the state trough. That's all. And you propose to arrange a market day from hundreds of thousands of amateurs instead of a specific specialized tool. It doesn't work that way. So we will generally kill any culture and not only culture. You will also propose to submit for public discussion whether to build a particular plant or not to build it.
            1. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san 26 September 2020 14: 06
              0
              the housekeeper cannot run the state


              Of course, an incompetent person cannot lead, but a whole social group can exert its influence. But the result, when only uncontrolled "experts" are in charge, we see right now - every director is a specialist, but what they shoot is what they shoot; therefore, the artistic council cannot be uncontrolled and unaccountable - otherwise nothing will change, and the "creators" cannot have healthy competition among themselves.
              The plant, during its construction, public hearings on the law take place at the stage of general planning and the public usually strangles the most dangerous and odious proposals of designers and interested parties - this is the Federal Law of July 21, 2014 N 212-FZ "On the Foundations of Public Control in the Russian Federation "(with changes and additions). It was written off of analogous laws from Western society, where they have been successfully working for many decades. Read it and imagine how the legal control of society works in principle - an analogue of such a law is also needed for cultural, intangible products.
              1. Al_lexx
                Al_lexx 27 September 2020 01: 53
                0
                Clearly and more than once I watched two Jamshuts sawing an old tree. Nearby are two community groups. One yells save nature. And the other one screams saw faster than it tries, otherwise it will soon fall down on its own and crush whose car thread. Similarly, discussions of building or closing businesses take place. For example, I personally like it. that large factories were removed from Moscow. And someone sheds a tear at their own checkpoint. That's the whole public, to the penny. One continuous bazaar.
                However. what am I going to convince you of? You read from here:
                It was written off of analogous laws from Western society, where they have been successfully working for many decades.

                Therefore, good night. a country. bully

                Oh, I forgot to ask:
                Do you think that in the same Crazy States of America there are preliminary public discussions before the release of the film, or are they pouring shit on the heads of this very public without public demand? laughing
                1. ycuce234-san
                  ycuce234-san 27 September 2020 15: 34
                  0
                  Life is not easy and no one said that society would be a single monolith in its views. It's just that now the situation is such that there is not even the right to vote - they regularly take money from their pockets for a low-quality cultural product, cars crush trees and there is no mechanism to gather those same social groups and quarreling to their best to decide what to do consensus - drive out the Jamshuts, drive motorists to another part of the yard where there are no pieces of wood, cut or renew plantings, cut a crooked scenario, find another decent director and a more professional expert, etc., etc. It is necessary that the opinion of society be taken into account when allocating state money for culture and a legislative mechanism is needed - that is, .either introduce a new subject of regulation in Federal Law 212, or saw a new law. Otherwise, it will not work - when the product is commercial, then post-regulation works in the form of payment from the consumer of the product, and when money is allocated in advance, it is necessary to introduce the stage of making a fundamental decision on production before allocating money.
                  1. Al_lexx
                    Al_lexx 27 September 2020 17: 28
                    0
                    Eka you twist, awkwardly ..))
                    It is necessary that the opinion of society be taken into account when allocating state money for culture and a legislative mechanism is needed - that is, either introduce a new subject of regulation in Federal Law 212, or saw a new law.

                    Not necessary. Everything is much simpler and was invented long before this dialogue (or two monologues, rather). It is necessary that specially trained and honored / proven people are engaged in every serious (especially state) matter.
                    And you advocate that ... carpenters sew pants ...

                    .
                    Truly, we live in the era of militant amateurs.
                    1. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 27 September 2020 18: 23
                      0
                      Why turn out to be. The system you are describing does not need to be built or reformed from the old one; it works right now and is strongly criticized in online discussions. And exceptional professionals who are not under the control of amateurs work in it - all with diplomas, experience, many with degrees and experience in leadership. Professionally spend money on something that can be used in medicine as an emetic. We are talking about the accountability of professional bodies of manufacturers and expertise to consumers of their products (creative products and their expertise), competition and selection of creative products, experts, up to the stage of its manufacture and sale. Nowhere above did I write that the pros should be abandoned and thrown out into the cold - I just said that non-professionals have their own stage of selection, while the pros have their own and, most importantly, there is a feedback, controlling, from the consumer, connection in this entire cultural cybernetics.
                    2. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 27 September 2020 18: 30
                      0
                      However, if you like simple solutions, you can offer another option.
                      To support the culture at the expense of post-payment based on the results of sales - conditionally, for each private-commercial ruble of profit that the fiscal officials know about - give 10 goskopiek, losses are not covered. Then you don't have to bother - let the market and consumer demand deal with professionals.
  44. seacap
    seacap 23 September 2020 15: 03
    +3
    As soon as the main criterion of everything and everyone, all spheres of life and morality of success, talent, children, country of position, etc., has become a loot, you can put an end to the country, there are no prospects for development, 30 years of total degradation have proved this.
  45. RMT
    RMT 23 September 2020 15: 24
    +2
    "We believe that the budget of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation should be adequate to the budget of the Ministry of Defense, because culture is the defense of the human soul ..."
    This is from the same letter. Manilovshchina. New Vasyuki.
  46. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 23 September 2020 16: 05
    +2
    "Permanent honorary trustees of the" Golden Knight "- His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia ..."
    Well, everything is clear, Gundyay remembered about morality.
  47. Tankist_1980
    Tankist_1980 23 September 2020 16: 52
    0
    How do you like the "Crimean Bridge"?
    1. solzh
      solzh 25 September 2020 00: 53
      10
      Normally.
  48. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 23 September 2020 19: 32
    +1
    Alas, alas, nothing can be done to them.
    There have been so many scandals with naked performances, half-naked theater, posing in a German uniform, sawing money and promoting dirt and pedo in the cinema (films from Viking to Attraction,), and everyone is untouchable ...
    1. solzh
      solzh 25 September 2020 00: 54
      +9
      Quote: Alex2000
      all untouchable ...

      Beaumont, high society, tree-sticks ... am
  49. gvozdan
    gvozdan 23 September 2020 19: 43
    0
    Stop sponsoring obscurantism to begin with. You can reward those who have paid off a percentage of their profits.
  50. iouris
    iouris 23 September 2020 21: 13
    -2
    Do not allocate money for "cinema". The most important of the arts for us is still the circus - taxing.