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The State Duma has determined the punishment for violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation

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The State Duma of the Russian Federation discussed a draft amendment to the Criminal Code, which provides for punishment for actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of our country. The document was approved by the deputies in the first reading.


Together with this amendment, a draft law was adopted on the administrative punishment of citizens for public appeals to violate the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.

If the violation is committed for the first time, then the perpetrator faces administrative responsibility. With the repetition of such an act, a criminal punishment already occurs.

We hope that the norms will be applied extremely rarely, and will rather serve as the protection of our Constitution.

- said the deputy of the State Duma Pavel Krasheninnikov, who is one of the authors of the bill.

For acts aimed at alienating Russian territories, violators face imprisonment for a term of six to ten years. At the same time, criminal liability for calls to violate the territorial integrity of our country comes only for repeated actions committed during the year.

An administrative penalty for citizens is a fine of up to 100 thousand rubles. Officials or legal entities pay a larger amount. If the call for the alienation of Russian territory was published on the Internet, then the amount of the fine increases. For an ordinary citizen, it can reach 100 thousand rubles.

The change in legislative norms is associated with an amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation introduced this year, which speaks of the inadmissibility of alienating Russian territory.
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  1. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 22 September 2020 15: 08
    +4
    For acts aimed at alienating Russian territories, violators face imprisonment for a term of six to ten years.
    And what, among ordinary citizens there are individuals who trade in Russian territory? Or is this just the beginning of strengthening the country's borders?
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 22 September 2020 15: 14
      0
      Action_ is a multidirectional concept. This refers to verbal appeals, incorrect image of cards, etc.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 22 September 2020 18: 44
        -1
        Quote: newbie
        Action_ is a multidirectional concept. This refers to verbal appeals, incorrect image of cards, etc.

        But for everything and plant, so that even such a thought would not be allowed.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 22 September 2020 20: 40
          0
          Quote: 1976AG
          But for everything and plant, so that even such a thought would not be allowed.

          One of the great amendments. And some were AGAINST them. And others are AGAINST them now !!!
          1. Yaroslavl
            Yaroslavl 24 September 2020 08: 53
            -1
            of course against, integrity has been consolidated before ... do you still think that the amendments are boundaries, spirituality and lunches for the kids at school?))) this is a screen for nullifying Putin, dear) you are bred like suckers)
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 23 September 2020 01: 34
          0
          Quote: 1976AG
          But for everything and plant, so that even such a thought would not be allowed.

          And what to do with those who have already done?
          It is a pity that the law has no retroactive effect. But it is possible, "for newly clarified circumstances," to initiate a case of any prescription.
          1.In 2005, 337 square kilometers of Russian territory was officially transferred to China. Specifically, these were the Bolshoi, Tarabarov islands and half of the Bolshoi Ussuriisky island on the Russian-Chinese border.
          2.In 2010, 175.000 square kilometers of the Barents Sea were given to Norway.
          3. In 2011, in addition to the previous loss, we gave up 240.000 territory in the area of ​​the island of Spitsbergen, which is jointly managed by Russia and Norway.
          4. In the same 2011, Russia transferred to Azerbaijan the territory of Exclav Palidli (formerly Khrakh-Uba) and Uryan-Uba.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 23 September 2020 07: 54
            +2
            In the case of Norway, it was a question of delimiting an exclusive economic zone, part of the territory of states that is not. The island of Spitsbergen is Norwegian, but the Russian Federation has special rights there. As for the three Amur islands, they did not belong to the Russian Empire or the USSR until 1929. Were employed during the 1929 Sino-Soviet conflict.
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 23 September 2020 09: 11
            -1
            Quote: Silvestr
            "for newly clarified circumstances"
            Have you found out new circumstances in the Hodor Center? Why are you silent about them, you can only remember the old.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 22 September 2020 19: 10
        -3
        Call a spade a spade! Endowed with the authority "on the sly" to squander ("demarcate" exclusively in favor of other states, and others, as far as we know, in the history of the Russian Federation), this "tongue" is not that it does not concern, but also does not limit the "generosity" ... In other words, this is not the Law, but a cheap profanation.
        1. krot
          krot 22 September 2020 19: 31
          +3
          In other words, this is not the Law, but a cheap profanation

          But let's see, when you write here something like a call to disconnect some regions or republics from Russia, they put you in jail or is it a cheap profanation.)
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 22 September 2020 19: 36
            -10 qualifying.
            Is everything all right, mole?fool
            Most likely we will see another concession of the "fabulous", and you,fool, you will here keep your tongues in one place, being accomplices in the crime with your tacit consent. Interestingly, then you will whine in court. But no, I know.
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 23 September 2020 10: 35
          0
          Quote: lexus
          In other words, this is not the Law, but a cheap profanation.

          You do not get tired in each topic to write a couple of lines whining.))))) What is the endowed squandering?
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 23 September 2020 10: 42
            -1
            Turning to "you" to a stranger is a manifestation of rudeness and a clear sign of narrow-mindedness. Especially for such people, I remind you, although I understand that you still do not finish - the islands on the Amur, and was a "willing" prime minister during the rejection of the shelf in the Barents Sea. Now whine and download. I will not interfere.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 23 September 2020 12: 32
              -1
              Quote: lexus
              Turning to "you" to a stranger is a manifestation of rudeness and a clear sign of narrow-mindedness.

              )))) YOU what kind of closeness dragged the whiner here? And I will address everyone as I see fit.
              Quote: lexus
              Especially for such people I remind you, although I understand that you will not finish it anyway - the islands on the Amur

              About horror, several islands were given away. And Damansky was given commies with you.
              Quote: lexus
              during the rejection of the shelf in the Barents Sea.

              For people like you narrow-minded. Negotiations on the division of the Barents Sea shelf were held between the USSR and Norway since the early 70s. Nobody gave anything, and finally they made a demarcation of the border.
              And what do you whiners forget about the Crimea, the Arctic shelf, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk every time?
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 23 September 2020 15: 19
                +1
                The Soviet Union was truly a Great Country. Therefore, he marked on the map to the North Pole his Borders of polar possessions and did not curry favor with anyone, in contrast ... And he did not let anyone into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. Damansky and more than 600 (SIX HUNDRED !!!) islands on the Amur and Ussuri were finally "presented" to the Chinese by Yeltsin (an icon for you and "zeroed") as a result of the "demarcation" type completed in 1997. Moreover, the rest of the territorial claims of the PRC, in particular in Altai, have not disappeared. Crimea? You are funny. The examples given are for the holy fools.

                About horror, several islands were given away.

                Only a dead scoundrel and traitor could give such a thing. The justification for the crime is even worse than the calls for it. You are the same intruder. So do not hope to avoid responsibility in the future, hiding behind madness ... "state of health."

                And I will address everyone as I see fit.

                I allow my friends to address "you" to me, but not "substances".
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 22 September 2020 15: 19
      13
      Quote: Starover_Z
      And what, among ordinary citizens there are individuals who trade in Russian territory? Or is this just the beginning of strengthening the country's borders?

      Precisely noticed .. the average person will not be able to sell the territory, only those in power .. And the border needs to be strengthened with a ban on the withdrawal of money over the hill .. How many years have they been fighting with offshore companies, but they cannot overcome ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 22 September 2020 19: 27
        -8
        hi Having once again opposed the theft, the thieves reserved this right for themselves.
    3. FenH
      FenH 22 September 2020 15: 35
      -1
      Quote: Starover_Z
      For acts aimed at alienating Russian territories, violators face imprisonment for a term of six to ten years.
      And what, among ordinary citizens there are individuals who trade in Russian territory ? Or is this just the beginning of strengthening the country's borders?

      Ksyushad and the hedgehog with her liberda not recognizing Crimea, or are they not ordinary citizens?
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 22 September 2020 16: 11
        +5
        Quote: FenH
        Ksyushad and the hedgehog with her liberda not recognizing Crimea, or are they not ordinary citizens?

        And these did not come to mind, thanks for reminding me. Although, why break spears because of them? If you don’t like something in the lands of Russia, if you don’t recognize its ownership - go nafig abroad with your personal belongings and there make your living!
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 23 September 2020 09: 34
        0
        Quote: FenH
        liberda not recognizing Crimea, or are they not ordinary citizens?
        They are basically driving a wave here, they worry for themselves, they are deliberately dying. Nothing, they will be explained in the comments exactly what their actions are aimed at alienating Russian territories. You look, the screams, like enough to feed these or those, will decrease.
  2. newcomer
    newcomer 22 September 2020 15: 09
    +1
    So humanely. It could have been tougher.
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 22 September 2020 17: 32
      +1
      How much tougher. Over the hill, these figures will live in poverty.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 22 September 2020 17: 59
        0
        Otozh. Less will be seen in Europe.
  3. Piramidon
    Piramidon 22 September 2020 15: 10
    -11 qualifying.
    The State Duma of the Russian Federation discussed a draft amendment to the Criminal Code, which provides for punishment for actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of our country. The document was approved by the deputies in the first reading.

    Here is the answer to the "all-propals" on the topic - "Bad Putin and his government will still give up the Kuril Islands for the western tranches, they will merge Kaliningrad ... They will saw everything and plunder."
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 22 September 2020 15: 17
      -9
      Wait someone who will go up on VO. So Putin has not signed BB yet! belay
    2. tatra
      tatra 22 September 2020 15: 19
      -1
      And when did the enemies of the communists observe their laws and their Constitution? How is it in the Constitution? Is Russia a secular State?
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 22 September 2020 16: 29
        0
        Quote: tatra
        How is it in the Constitution

        What about you?
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 22 September 2020 22: 50
          12
          Quote: Terenin
          What about you?

          Yes, everything is as bad as yours, only cooler. sad
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 23 September 2020 08: 59
            0
            Quote: Malyuta
            Quote: Terenin
            What about you?

            Yes, everything is as bad as yours, only cooler. sad

            Dress warmer, so that your brains do not completely freeze yes
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 23 September 2020 22: 52
              16
              Quote: Terenin
              Dress warmer, so that your brains do not completely freeze

              This does not threaten us, we are familiar. yes And so I look, you are impudent laughing
              1. Terenin
                Terenin 23 September 2020 23: 04
                0
                Quote: Malyuta
                And so I look, you are impudent

                Has the light frost really begun? winked
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 24 September 2020 10: 16
                  14
                  Quote: Terenin

                  Has the light frost really begun?

                  Don't worry, it's okay, watch TV and keep your feet warm.
                  1. Terenin
                    Terenin 24 September 2020 15: 34
                    0
                    Quote: Malyuta
                    Don't worry, it's okay, watch TV and keep your feet warm.

                    Well, thank you, Malyuta on a kind word hi .
                    For complete happiness, I would throw money on a credit card drinks
    3. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 22 September 2020 16: 04
      -5
      Here is the answer to the "all-propals" on the topic - "Bad Putin and his government will still give up the Kuril Islands for the western tranches, they will merge Kaliningrad ... They will saw everything and plunder."

      Lol. Bought and Kaliningrad are not subject to the law prohibiting the alienation of the territory.
      So you can sell if you want.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 22 September 2020 16: 06
        0
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        Bought and Kaliningrad are not subject to the law prohibiting the alienation of the territory.

        This is not Russian territory, or what? And Crimea too?
        1. Simon schempp
          Simon schempp 22 September 2020 16: 30
          0
          At the same time, it is clarified that delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.


          https://topwar.ru/173379-gosduma-prinjala-zakon-priravnivajuschij-otchuzhdenie-territorii-rf-k-jekstremizmu.html#comment-id-10617387

          Brains need to be turned on a little.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 22 September 2020 17: 16
            -1
            Quote: Simon Schempp
            Brains need to be turned on a little.

            Kuriles and Kaliningrad is not a demarcation, dear "brainwashed" wise guy.
            1. Simon schempp
              Simon schempp 22 September 2020 17: 23
              -2
              Kuriles and Kaliningrad are not demarcations

              Well, yes.
              This is delimitation. And she is not subject to the law.
        2. Not with you
          Not with you 22 September 2020 16: 57
          -2
          But take Tuva.
          Joined voluntarily ...
          Formerly in the constitution of Tuva
          there was an article about voluntary
          exit.
          Well, what about .....
          Not to jail, after all
          joined.
          But under pressure ...
          ShVK-Glava respubliki,
          this article secretly removed not
          after consulting
          with the people.
          Which is already a violation.
          But the residents of the republic will want
          live richly ...
          Resources and population
          not too much ...
          And the territory there is ...
          All the same, the center of Asia.
          Will go to the square
          will arrange a popular vote ...
          And then what,
          90% percent of the population
          to imprison republics ???
          And then ... how many countries
          her-Tuva will be supported
          in her decision to live
          with dignity and happiness,
          managing their
          resources?
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 23 September 2020 08: 19
            0
            This article was found by the Constitutional Court to be contrary to the Russian Constitution. It was not valid initially. And those who tried to push it through have repeatedly publicly repented for their legal ignorance and political shortsightedness. You seem to be a Tuvan separatist?
            1. Not with you
              Not with you 23 September 2020 08: 42
              -1
              I am for justice !!!
              And the people of the republic were asked ...
              when was the article removed?
              Why then secretly
              so removed, without a referendum?
              Not to jail ...
              joined ....
              And it turns out as in
              gangster group ...
              Ruble entry,
              exit ten ....
              Well ... considering who
              now ruled by ... St. Petersburg
              lads ... then it's clear ...
              But .... should
              be justice.
              As in physics. Every action
              has opposition ...
              And ..... not the only one
              country in the world ....
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 22 September 2020 23: 00
        +2
        Fit. By the way, in Russia this "lol" is not used by Internet users for ten years.
    4. Malyuta
      Malyuta 22 September 2020 22: 45
      16
      Quote: Piramidon
      Everything will be sawed and plundered. "

      Duc plundered and sawed already, a little is left, when you wake up everything will finally end.
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 23 September 2020 01: 36
      -3
      Quote: Piramidon
      "The bad Putin and his government will still give up the Kurils for the western tranches, they will merge Kaliningrad ... They will saw everything and plunder."

      wasn’t it?
      In 2005, 337 square kilometers of Russian territory was officially transferred to China. In 2010, 175.000 square kilometers of the Barents Sea were given to Norway.
      This is offhand
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 22 September 2020 15: 18
    15
    Interestingly, does the refusal of our bourgeoisie from activities on the territory of Crimea fall under actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of our country? Well, for example, Sberbank .. For what is our territory if the fundamental structures do not work on it? And will sanctions be applied to countries that have not recognized the annexation of Crimea? After all, they openly deny our territorial integrity?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 22 September 2020 19: 58
      -7
      hi For "Krymnyash" swindlers "are visiting a fairy tale" and new "native lands" on the head "will not pat".
      1. Arthur73
        Arthur73 23 September 2020 05: 41
        +5
        I’m looking at the Russian Crimea, a bone in your throat, you can’t eat.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 23 September 2020 11: 05
          -1
          I repeat for the illiterate and simply fool... Russian Crimea is a bone in the throat of the bourgeoisie, including the "pseudo-Russian" ones, and a thorn in the "fifth point" of their hangers-on, the "urya-skakuas". Upon closer examination, your behavior is no different, moreover, it indicates a common step of deevolution with the "urya-banderlog". It is sinful to laugh at such. For this, I no longer want to give the opportunity to curry favor with bots "crowing". Blow bubbles, download and whine further. "Bone" to help you ".
    2. And why do you need
      And why do you need 23 September 2020 09: 38
      -2
      Quote: paul3390
      Interestingly, does the refusal of our bourgeoisie from activities on the territory of Crimea fall under actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of our country? Well, for example, Sberbank .. For what is our territory if the fundamental structures do not work on it? And will sanctions be applied to countries that have not recognized the annexation of Crimea? After all, they openly deny our territorial integrity?

      Chosen can, because it can ruin a business, the business where there is a share of the state
    3. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 23 September 2020 11: 23
      -1
      Now there is an excuse from the Japanese. Sorry, I don't want to go to jail, I won't sign and discuss anything.
  5. Incompetent
    Incompetent 22 September 2020 15: 33
    13
    Well, it's clear about the appeals, but why then it is not clear to register it in the constitution, well, okay, it's not so important.
    Explain to me stupid, well, who can violate the state integrity of the country except the government itself, which has the right to do this?
    1. spirit
      spirit 22 September 2020 18: 26
      +2
      The law is spelled out primarily from separatist sentiments, those regions who, in the event of a deteriorating economic situation, will complain about the greater independence of the regions, will pack everyone under this tune. Like if you don't like paying all the money to the federal budget to Moscow? Don't like the appointed governor? Then a priori you become a Separatist hi
  6. orionvitt
    orionvitt 22 September 2020 15: 37
    +4
    Now we will see how this rule will be applied. And then different gozmans, Sobchaks, Venediktovs and others divorced. Which have already been spoken to themselves for at least five years, and in the public sphere.
  7. Alex66
    Alex66 22 September 2020 15: 39
    16
    And that now Medvedeva D.A. will they jail for transferring the shelf to Norway? Or they'll put on one more medal. Does the law have no retroactive effect? As far as pensioners are concerned, people in the USSR began to work under the same laws, and Russia is the legal successor. Those. the law is that the tongue.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 22 September 2020 15: 41
      13
      Quote: Alex66
      Or they'll put on one more medal.

      Recently, they just put on a medal ..
      As far as pensioners are concerned, people in the USSR began to work under the same laws, and Russia is the legal successor. Those. the law is that the tongue.

      The law is for cattle .. but for them it is not written ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 22 September 2020 22: 33
        -3
        The whole essence of our all kinds of "managers from God" and their "love for the People".

    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 22 September 2020 16: 18
      -13 qualifying.
      The law has no retroactive effect. After its entry into force, then the language must be monitored. The transfer of the Norwegian shelf took place for the sake of obtaining technologies for deep-sea drilling. It did not fuse. Except for the fish, which today they have behind the fence, and tomorrow we have nothing We didn’t get it. That we were in vain since the 80s, the entire bottom of the Barents Sea by Sevneftegazrazvedka has been tampering with the Sevneftegazrazvedka. The Norgs themselves admit it, for 10 years they butted with the Russians for this agreement, we agreed, and here you have gas; but again the Russians are behind the fence. Only the sanctions will be lifted, Norgi somis will come running, well, take me to shave Shtokman. We agree with everything. And they threw the Poles and sold them very successful fields for their super duper gas project. The name of the pipeline is well, very funny, as well as gas for it. There are no former Murmansk residents.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 23 September 2020 01: 39
        -3
        Quote: tralflot1832
        The law is not retroactive.

        Teach materiel!
        Code of Criminal Procedure Article 413. Grounds for the resumption of criminal proceedings in view of new or newly discovered circumstances
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 23 September 2020 08: 27
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          Teach materiel!
          Code of Criminal Procedure Article 413. Grounds renewal criminal proceedings due to new or newly discovered circumstances

          This is if the case has already been opened and subsequently reopened. So turn your orders to teach materiel to yourself.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 23 September 2020 09: 11
            -2
            Thanks for the free legal aid. hi drinks good
  8. saveall
    saveall 22 September 2020 15: 39
    -2
    With attempts to secede, everything is clear ... But in the opposite situation, the inclusion of new territories in the Russian Federation, how will it be interpreted? From a legal point of view, can this be turned as a violation of this law?
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 September 2020 22: 07
      +2
      No, we have a law on the procedure for including another state or part of another state in the Russian Federation.
  9. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 September 2020 15: 40
    +9
    But I know the name of one citizen, so he donated part of the sea. And How?
    And what does integrity mean? For example, would I like Kharkov to be returned to Russia?
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 22 September 2020 18: 24
      +2
      It seems that there is not a word about the expansion of Russia on a mutually beneficial basis. The residents of Hokaido will want to join the Kuriles. Welcome. We will teach you to eat not with chopsticks, but with forks and spoons. hi
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 September 2020 09: 36
        -3
        Quote: tralflot1832
        We will teach rice to eat not with chopsticks, but with forks and spoons.

        Just don't teach the Chinese, otherwise there will be world hunger. laughing
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 23 September 2020 10: 35
          -1
          This is well noted. The entire expansion of China to the south is associated with rice and spoons. repeat
  10. opuonmed
    opuonmed 22 September 2020 15: 42
    +1
    Well, it's good 10 years for this, even a little!
  11. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 22 September 2020 15: 57
    -7
    It is necessary to punish those leaving the Far East. Because of them, the population falls, the territories are empty. The Russian land cannot be defended with vanguards and daggers.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 22 September 2020 18: 04
      +4
      And I propose to punish Muscovites for not wanting to move to the Far East. We lived well, it is time and honor to know, to give way to other people from the poor outskirts of our country. laughing
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 22 September 2020 18: 31
        +2
        Then it's better to declare Moscow a rotational city. You can "come in large numbers", but for three years. Then send back.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 22 September 2020 22: 42
          0
          There then more than half of the "indigenous" will have to be deported.
    2. Alf
      Alf 22 September 2020 19: 34
      +5
      Quote: 7,62x54
      It is necessary to punish those leaving the Far East.

      Or maybe create conditions for them so that they don't want to leave? Or do they leave just because they don't like the hills?
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 22 September 2020 22: 54
        +1
        Basil hi, the desire of people to live like a human being "on the side".
    3. And why do you need
      And why do you need 23 September 2020 09: 40
      0
      Quote: 7,62x54
      It is necessary to punish those leaving the Far East. Because of them, the population falls, the territories are empty. The Russian land cannot be defended with vanguards and daggers.

      Would you like to live in the Far East yourself?
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 23 September 2020 09: 46
        +1
        No, I don’t want to. But I think to take a hectare of land in the Arctic.
  12. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 22 September 2020 16: 10
    +2
    Who will be involved? Only Russian citizens living in the Russian Federation? Or will this article also apply to citizens of the Russian Federation living abroad, to foreign citizens living in "foreign land", stateless persons, no matter where they live?
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 22 September 2020 16: 42
      +3
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Who will be involved? Only Russian citizens living in the Russian Federation? Or will this article also apply to citizens of the Russian Federation living abroad, to foreign citizens living in "foreign land", stateless persons, no matter where they live?

      Article 12 of the Criminal Code.
      1. Citizens of the Russian Federation and stateless persons permanently residing in the Russian Federation who have committed a crime outside the Russian Federation against the interests protected by this Code are subject to criminal liability in accordance with this Code, if there is no foreign court decision regarding these persons on this crime. state.
  13. Shadow041
    Shadow041 22 September 2020 16: 32
    +8
    Actually, there was article 280 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation before. It is sad that it does not work and the Russophobes who have lost their way in the Russian Federation still remain unpunished, which only increases their arrogance.
  14. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 September 2020 16: 38
    -1
    Minus went in tight shoals, which means I correctly voted for the amendments and, most importantly, they were adopted on time. fellow
    1. tatra
      tatra 22 September 2020 16: 50
      -6
      Well then, according to this logic, if the enemies of the communists are angry against everything that the Soviet communists did, then you did everything right. Poor training manuals from Putin's propagandists.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 22 September 2020 22: 58
      +2
      I am not so much for the amendments as against the liberda.
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 22 September 2020 16: 53
    0
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    Law is the implementation of the provisions of the Constitution.

    According to the Constitution, the krai and oblast voluntarily merged into a federation-RF. Now whoever wants to leave (which will cause "alienation of territories") - there is already an article. Entry kopeck-exit ruble. request
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 September 2020 22: 13
      +3
      Have you read the Constitution? We are not a contractual, but a constitutional, that is, a federation created from above, by the central government. Honestly, we are more suited to a decentralized unitary state, otherwise called regionalist. But since the federation cannot be abolished, then it exists in a highly centralized form.
  16. maktub
    maktub 22 September 2020 16: 59
    +5
    Will you be responsible for Damansky?
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 23 September 2020 08: 30
      -1
      Damansky actually came under the control of China under Brezhnev, legally ceded under Gorbachev. Who should be responsible? The USSR was going to give it to the PRC anyway. The armed conflict arose due to the fact that the Chinese did not wait for everything to be legal, in compliance with the necessary procedures, and formalized.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 September 2020 09: 41
      -3
      Quote: maktub
      Will you be responsible for Damansky?

      Naive question. Pay attention to the dates. When was the story with Damansky, and when was this law passed?
  17. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 22 September 2020 17: 05
    +1
    Why did they not make a criminal punishment at all when they were called up again? Okay, once "stepped" can be forgiven, the second time, the term! Otherwise, the "sheep" will be taught to bleat once a year.
  18. samarin1969
    samarin1969 22 September 2020 17: 12
    +6
    I have faint hopes that this law will stop the creeping separatism of Tatarstan, Chechnya, Sakhi or Tyva. The "cultural identity" of proud subjects has long been transformed in the selective execution of federal laws: (military service, education, religious exclusivity, ..)
    1. Not with you
      Not with you 22 September 2020 17: 16
      -9
      Well, what about ...
      You need to go there, to them
      come...
      Tatarstan, Sakha, Tuva
      and Chechnya ...
      Go out to the people and
      explain to him-people
      for separatism ...
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 23 September 2020 08: 51
        -2
        Are there strong separatist sentiments in these regions? Neither sociologists nor political scientists confirm this. In Tatarstan in the 90s. there was a bargaining between local elites and the federal center for the division of power and resources. It is foolish to talk about separatism in Tatarstan, when three-quarters of the Tatars live outside Tatarstan, and a significant part outside the Volga region, and in the republic itself and in its capital, Kazan, Tatars make up half of the population. Moreover, in many regions and cities of the republic, the Russian population predominates. At the same time, in the 90s, the conscription into the army from Tatarstan was carried out without interruption, and riot police from Tatarstan regularly went on business trips to Chechnya. Most of the Chechen separatists are underground, they were buried long ago. The Yakut "separatism" is especially ridiculous. In a sparsely populated region, where half of the population is Yakuts, and in a significant part of the territory of the republic, the Yakut population is either absent or extremely small, and either Russians or small peoples predominate, who are not going to be part of the Yakut people. And the vast majority of Yakuts are concentrated in the third or fourth part of the territory of the republic. The diamond deposits are "Yakut", since in Soviet times this territory was assigned to the Yakut Republic for the convenience of management. They can just as well become Krasnoyarsk in the event of an adjustment in the administrative division.
        1. Not with you
          Not with you 23 September 2020 09: 00
          -1
          I invite you to Tuva.
          Come and explain to the people
          what a fair one
          desire to live
          rich and happy.
          They will be imprisoned
          or kill ...
          And that's for what
          their ancestors once
          volunteered ...
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 23 September 2020 09: 44
            -3
            Quote: Not with you
            They will be imprisoned
            or kill ...

            Did you find some "additions" to this law, or just knock on the keyboard?
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 September 2020 22: 17
      +4
      Residents of Yakutia, Tataria, Tuva serve in the army on a general basis, there were no problems with this even in the 90s. Restrictions on the conscription of residents of Chechnya were established by the federal authorities for understandable reasons. Higher education in the Russian Federation is under federal jurisdiction.
  19. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 22 September 2020 17: 25
    0
    "The ice has broken, gentlemen assessors ..."
  20. faterdom
    faterdom 22 September 2020 17: 41
    +2
    We are waiting for law enforcement. And not "Popka" provincial - there are people like Gozman, Makarevich, Yavlinsky, Sobochak ...
    I understand that they are 100 thousand seeds, but after all, there can be fines more than once, even within a day or an hour - any car owner will tell you this!
  21. parusnik
    parusnik 22 September 2020 17: 50
    +2
    laughing It is clear that those who live in the territory of the Russian Federation, citizens of the Russian Federation and stateless persons will be attracted, this does not apply to foreign citizens ...
  22. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 22 September 2020 17: 55
    -1
    This is what the life-giving cross does ... (c)
  23. sergo1914
    sergo1914 22 September 2020 18: 00
    0
    Explain. If our native state tries (in the light of the latest ideas) to violate the territorial integrity of my summer cottage, will someone be jailed? Who?
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 September 2020 19: 36
      0
      Quote: sergo1914
      Explain. If our native state tries (in the light of the latest ideas) to violate the territorial integrity of my summer cottage, will someone be jailed? Who?

      You. For not giving away.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 September 2020 22: 21
      +2
      And someone guaranteed the integrity of the suburban area? In the event that the interests of the state so require, private property, including garden plots, can be seized, and compensation must be paid.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 22 September 2020 22: 31
        -2
        Quote: Sergej1972
        And someone guaranteed the integrity of the suburban area? In the event that the interests of the state so require, private property, including garden plots, can be seized, and compensation must be paid.


        That is, the property is not private? Like, everything is ours? And what such “interests of the state” can demand? Which ... members ... states will voice this demand?
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 22 September 2020 22: 57
          +1
          Both our legislation and the legislation of Western countries allow the alienation of private property in special cases prescribed by law. Listen, this is the basics of jurisprudence. I don’t believe you don’t know that.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 September 2020 17: 49
        +1
        The main thing is to collect all the documents in advance so that later it would be much easier and faster to sort everything out in case of problems.
      3. Alf
        Alf 23 September 2020 19: 25
        +1
        Quote: Sergej1972
        And someone guaranteed the integrity of the suburban area? In the event that the interests of the state so require, private property, including garden plots, can be seized, and compensation must be paid.

        This is all great, but who will determine the amount of compensation? Our good state? Remember South Butovo and the construction site in Sochi.
  24. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 22 September 2020 18: 04
    -2
    Interestingly, is the addition of territories considered a violation of territorial integrity? :)
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 September 2020 22: 22
      +1
      See my comment above. Not.
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 22 September 2020 18: 56
    0
    Quote: orionvitt
    Now we will see how this rule will be applied. And then different gozmans, Sobchaks, Venediktovs and others divorced. Which have already been spoken to themselves for at least five years, and in the public sphere.

    Those whom you listed have real capabilities to transfer any territories of the Russian Federation, excluding their apartments and summer cottages? lol
  26. JD1979
    JD1979 22 September 2020 19: 27
    -3
    Yeah, i.e. the right to self-determination is only if you want to join)) and in the opposite direction - welcome to the bunk))). They are such double standards ...)))
    1. Not with you
      Not with you 22 September 2020 19: 39
      -4
      The only sober comment.
      They are such double standards ...
  27. Mikhail Ya2
    Mikhail Ya2 22 September 2020 19: 32
    -1
    But what about the “right of the people to self-determination”?
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 September 2020 22: 26
      +4
      The right to self-determination is in contradiction with another generally recognized right - to preserve the territorial integrity of the state. The priority of the second right is most often recognized. And so, in our world there is the right of the strong, no matter how they are treated.
      1. Mikhail Ya2
        Mikhail Ya2 22 September 2020 22: 44
        -1
        But not with Crimea, Kosovo, Abkhazia ......... where does that line go?
  28. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 22 September 2020 22: 52
    +1
    Does the lack of recognition of the Crimeans' opinion also fall under it?
  29. Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 23 September 2020 00: 21
    +1
    The State Duma has determined the punishment for violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation

    Ha ha ha
    It's funny. This is done by those who are all over the country:

    "Don't say that. I will outlive you all. You don't know Panikovsky yet. Panikovsky will sell you all, buy and sell you all. But already at a higher price."

    Here they are there what they are doing with their space parliamentary income and pensions ...
  30. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 23 September 2020 09: 04
    -2
    I am amazed by those site users who consider themselves communists and (or) Soviet patriots and at the same time add comments of an openly separatist orientation. Or assent. The pseudo-democrats destroyed the USSR for the sake of eliminating the CPSU and Gorbachev. It seems that some pseudo-communists and pseudo Soviet patriots are ready to destroy Russia in order to remove the current government. Is it stupid or what? I hope they just haven't figured it out. For example, when I support someone or discuss with someone, I go to the person's page. I read his comments on various topics. I try to understand who it is. Maybe this is my like-minded person on the main issues, but with whom we disagree in particular. Or is he a person of different views, but his reasoning has a rational grain. And it happens that this is either an explicit Russophobe, or a troll from some former fraternal republic.
    1. Andr_38
      Andr_38 23 September 2020 11: 02
      0
      I am amazed by those site users who consider themselves communists and (or) Soviet patriots and at the same time add comments of an openly separatist orientation. Or assent.

      But because all these so-called "communists" and "Soviet patriots" will support even the devil if he is against Putin. And they will support various anti-Putin separatists with a bang. One word, rotten folk.
  31. iouris
    iouris 23 September 2020 09: 25
    0
    If the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR, then for violating the integrity of the Russian Federation - a term, and for violating the integrity of the USSR it would be good (for a start) to shoot someone.