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Shipyard "Pella" will pay the Ministry of Defense a penalty for disrupting the delivery of the first "Karakurt"

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Shipyard "Pella" will pay the Ministry of Defense a penalty for disrupting the delivery of the first "Karakurt"

The Pella shipyard from Otradnoye, Leningrad Oblast, will pay the Ministry of Defense 2,9 million rubles as a penalty for disrupting the timely delivery of the first Karakurt project from the RTO. The corresponding decision was made by the ninth arbitration court, only partially satisfying the claim of the plaintiff. Writes about it "Businessman".


The Ninth Arbitration Court of Appeal only partially satisfied the demand of the Ministry of Defense to recover 2,9 billion rubles in penalty from the Pella shipyard. The court ordered to pay 1% of the requested amount, i.e. 2,9 million rubles, stating that the requested amount was "clearly disproportionate to the consequences of the breach of obligations."

(...) the recovery of a penalty in a larger amount would not correspond to the substance of the penalty, in relation to how the supplier performed its obligation within the framework set by the customer's technical project

- says the ruling of the court.

The rest of the Defense Ministry's claim was denied.

Recall that the essence of the claim is related to the 2015 contract for the supply of the first RTO of the Karakurt project, built at the Pella shipyard. Under the contract, the delivery of the first RTOs was supposed to take place in October 2018, but due to restrictions on the operation of enterprises during the 2018 FIFA World Cup, a disruption in the delivery of diesels for RTOs produced by Zvezda, as well as the participation of RTOs in the Main Naval Parade , the ship was handed over to the customer four months later than planned.


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  1. Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 22 September 2020 12: 22
    +6
    The court ordered to pay 1% of the requested amount, i.e. 2,9 million rubles,

    Hrenasse! Is it that the MO wanted to cut down 290 lyam? belay Cool! And they probably wanted to give them to improve the nutrition of the sailors. repeat
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 22 September 2020 12: 42
      -5
      This is learning.
      Study in rubles.
      If you want to have a budgetary "pipe" and a flow of orders, work clearly.
      And the penalty by the court decision amounted to 2 million.
      That would not lose "fear", having received funds, and then, performing zaaz, spitting at the ceiling.
      Otherwise, no way.
      We are not all angels.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 22 September 2020 12: 45
        29
        Well, what about Pella? They were ready to hand over the ship even ahead of the original schedule, well, the oars are true.

        Dvigatelists have filled up everything. And yes, these RTOs filled up all CVDs, but only independent Pella was hit. Which OSK really wants to bend to itself. Well, AK Bars is also not averse to getting such an asset.
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 22 September 2020 12: 49
          +8
          Here's the chain.
          Further, there must be a claim against the engine specialists from Pella.
          This is how it works.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 22 September 2020 13: 32
            +1
            cute scold - only amuse ............................................ .........................................
            1. Temples
              Temples 23 September 2020 09: 12
              0
              the demand of the Ministry of Defense to recover from the Pella shipyard 2,9 billion... rubles forfeit. The court ordered to pay 1% of the requested amount, those. 2,9 millionrubles


              Neither judges nor journalists need mathematics? laughing

              Division by one hundred is not a feasible task either for the first or for the second. laughing

              Good guys. good laughing
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 23 September 2020 09: 14
                0
                Division by one hundred is not a feasible task

                to divide is not to divide into two or three
          2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 September 2020 14: 08
            12
            Quote: Livonetc
            Further, there must be a claim against the engine specialists from Pella.
            This is how it works.

            And what about the World Cup and the parade? Lawsuits against FIFA and the Navy?
        2. IvanT
          IvanT 22 September 2020 13: 50
          +4
          Tin !!! A bunch of unfinished ones, and here it is 4 months ...
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 22 September 2020 18: 47
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          Well, what about Pella? Dvigatelists have filled up everything.

          Now let Pella sue the engine engineers. MO did not contract with them and does not have to trace the origin of each nut in the final product that it ordered.
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 22 September 2020 23: 30
            +1
            Quote: Piramidon
            MO did not contract with them and does not have to trace the origin of each nut in the final product that it ordered.

            Well, actually, the Makers List is an integral part of the ship's project, and that, in turn, is part of the contract.
            They build what they ordered. Another thing is that the shipyard had to promptly notify the customer about the delay in delivery and work out measures. Rescheduling, replacement of equipment with a change in the project, etc.
      2. iouris
        iouris 22 September 2020 12: 58
        -8
        Quote: Livonetc
        This is learning.
        Study in rubles.

        And the war is on the nose.
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 22 September 2020 13: 15
          0
          Quote: iouris
          Quote: Livonetc
          This is learning.
          Study in rubles.

          And the war is on the nose.

          Moreover, you need to work more clearly.
          Or are you talking about other, tougher measures?
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 September 2020 14: 44
          +4
          Quote: iouris
          And the war is on the nose.

          Therefore, there is no need to waste money in front of all sorts of performers there. It is better to put this money in a safe place where no war is foreseen and where you, if something happens, plan to move. So it will be more reliable. War is not a joke.
        3. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
          Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 22 September 2020 15: 57
          0
          Just don’t scratch your nose, and in the evening don’t sing this thing. The war on alcohol is worse than a nuclear war.
      3. Escobar
        Escobar 22 September 2020 13: 13
        -6
        It is high time to take "effective manager of OV" for tonsils. And then only excuses: the subcontractors failed, the coronavirus, the world championship, the phases of the moon ... For which they receive a salary - for competent management, so that the plant hand over its products on time and without jambs
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 22 September 2020 13: 41
          18
          Well, they kick Pella, who does at least something.

          Severnaya-Verf with their long-term construction is not touched. Amber too. USC enterprises delay delivery for 3-5 years and this is the norm. And then in 4 months they took for tonsils. As a result, when Pella is bent into the USC, she will make 10% of the current issue, eat twice as much money and there will be no complaints against her.

          You can take the same IL-76. There are initially no sanction details or plugs.

          The result of the 2012 contract for 39 aircraft at 3,6 billion rubles apiece - failed completely. Rented 3 cars.

          Now it has been renewed for 5 billion apiece - 14 aircraft by 2028.

          Sanctions, lawsuits - what, Slyusar will complain to Putin over tea, and all lawsuits will fly out quickly.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 22 September 2020 16: 36
            -1
            Quote: donavi49
            Severnaya-Verf with their long-term construction is not touched. Amber too. USC enterprises delay delivery for 3-5 years and this is the norm. And here in 4 months they took for tonsils.

            According to the Federal Law, any state customer is obliged (and not just - has the right) to raise claims if the deadline is missed by the contractor, if the issue is not settled out of court in the form of some additional agreement. Pella just didn’t grow on the dopnik. But 3 lemons for such a company are sheer trifles. In addition, it is possible (and necessary) to strain subchiks with regression. Everything described is a common practice in the development of the budget, and indeed in business.
            Quote: donavi49
            The slussar will complain to Putin over tea, and all the warriors will fly out quickly.

            The state customer is closer and dearer to Putin. As if Slyusar himself does not fly out of the chair.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 September 2020 22: 22
              +2
              Quote: Hagen
              just something did not grow together on the dopnik.

              Here, for example, donavi quite lucidly described what they had and how did not grow together.

              Quote: Hagen
              But 3 lemons for such a company are sheer trifles.

              They were asking not 3 million. I don’t think it was planned in advance for the court to cut the claim a hundred times. There is a real attempt to bend a good performer. This is not uncommon. Managers on purchases don't want to think about tomorrow, when there are no smart contractors left, they need to earn points for today.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 23 September 2020 07: 56
                0
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                They were asking not 3 million.

                As a rule, you can ask in claims no more than what is stipulated in the contract. Pella, signing the contract, had every opportunity to understand the consequences of non-execution of the transaction. As, in fact, the risks of entrusting a part of the contract to the subscriber. So you should not make a sufferer out of Pella on the basis of the article. The enterprise realized what it was doing.
            2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 September 2020 02: 48
              +1
              Quote: Hagen
              The state customer is closer and dearer to Putin

              For example, your humble servant, for example, in the past, for some time acted as a state order, at that time holding a certain position in the "daughter" of the state corporation. But I don’t even know Putin.
              Or, for example. The other day, one state customer, the chairman of the finance committee of the city of Vyborg, through procurement procedures (overhaul) stole the annual budget of his city. Is he "close and dear" to Putin?
              You just don’t think about what lies behind the word "state customer".
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 23 September 2020 08: 07
                0
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                The other day, one state customer, the chairman of the finance committee of the city of Vyborg, through procurement procedures (overhaul) stole the annual budget of his city.

                Catch? laughing I do not know how they manage annual budgets in Vyborg, but in the conversation under discussion, the interlocutor mentioned Mr. Slyusar, the UAC general, who, supposedly over tea with Putin, can withdraw all claims from the customer. And in this context, I suggested that Shoigu has more options. Only.
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                You just don’t think about what lies behind the word "state customer".

                You are not the only one who fulfilled the duties of the customer under government contracts. I have a half dozen state / mun contracts for execution today. We swam, we know.
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 September 2020 09: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Catch?

                  Caught, they say. He managed to spend part of the money on a bribe to get a job in the Moscow mayor's office (in his words).

                  Quote: Hagen
                  Shoigu has more options.

                  Than Slyusar. A slussier than Pella's director. From which follows what is happening
      4. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 22 September 2020 13: 43
        +3
        Quote: Livonetc
        This is learning.
        Study in rubles.
        If you want to have a budgetary "pipe" and a flow of orders, work clearly.

        Do you think it was Pella who held the Main Naval Parade, the FIFA World Cup and disrupted diesel supplies from Zvezda?
      5. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 22 September 2020 19: 10
        +3
        laughing so here the naval screwed up-read the interview of the Pellovtsy-they directly said that the military demanded the ship for the parade, because of this they missed the deadline, but at first they said that there would be no claims, and then they slapped the fine themselves ... either different departments and type no connection..
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 22 September 2020 19: 09
      +1
      and for their own jambs by the way .. well be like that .. and respect to the judge, did not support this circus
  2. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 22 September 2020 12: 26
    -17 qualifying.
    Plan, Order, Timing. Everything is correct. They can't keep their word - let them pay!
    1. moreman78
      moreman78 22 September 2020 12: 46
      16
      Under the contract, the delivery of the first RTOs was supposed to take place in October 2018, but due to restrictions on the operation of enterprises during the 2018 FIFA World Cup, a disruption in the delivery of diesels for RTOs produced by Zvezda, as well as the participation of RTOs in the Main Naval Parade , the ship was handed over to the customer four months later than planned.

      Yeah, first arrange force majeure, and then put a private enterprise on the "grandma". Better our state has dealt with long-term construction in its own "pocket" - in "USC"!
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 22 September 2020 13: 34
        -3
        there are no long-term constructions - there is a secret behind seven seals - we are deceiving Westerners in some performance characteristics of the future fleet of the Russian Federation
  3. CBR600
    CBR600 22 September 2020 12: 30
    +2
    interest dripped. For both sides it is sad. It would be better to explain in the article why this happened.
  4. RMT
    RMT 22 September 2020 12: 34
    14
    Despite the fact that "Pella" is one of the best executors of MO orders. The rest are worse off on time.
  5. ficus2003
    ficus2003 22 September 2020 12: 50
    +8
    the demand of the Ministry of Defense to recover from the Pella shipyard 2,9 billion... rubles forfeit. The court ordered to pay 1% of the requested amount, i.e. 2,9 millionrubles

    And no one cares that 1% of 2,9 billion = 29 million and not 2,9 million?
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 22 September 2020 13: 21
      0
      The MO should care, they should be paid 1%.
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 22 September 2020 13: 42
      +5
      Quote: ficus2003
      And no one cares that 1% of 2,9 billion = 29 million and not 2,9 million?

      The MO wanted 10% of 2,9bn, i.e. 290 million, and the court gave 1% of 290 million, i.e. 2,9million hi
    3. bayard
      bayard 22 September 2020 14: 07
      +5
      Quote: ficus2003
      And no one cares that 1% of 2,9 billion = 29 million and not 2,9 million?

      Arithmetic is out of fashion now. smile
      But all journalists are specialists in shipbuilding, financial discipline and the intricacies of legal casuistry.
      They wanted to bankrupt Pella and nationalize it into the USC. But with terms of construction, price and financial discipline they are much better than the enterprises of the USC, which fail all deadlines, but gush with dreams and plans for the construction of armada of nuclear destroyers.
      It is very good that the court made just such a decision - formally satisfied the claim, but in fact - sent it to the Ministry of Defense as Wishlist.
      Ships should be BUILD, and not cheat and throw at the grandmother of a bona fide contractor.
  6. Jager
    Jager 22 September 2020 12: 59
    +2
    Hard workers were left without bonuses ...
    1. unhappy
      unhappy 23 September 2020 08: 20
      +1
      Who thought about the hard workers? And people are not indifferent, they really worked for the good of the fleet, and now they see "gratitude" ...
      It is one thing to intrigue a candy factory, another thing to intrigue an enterprise fulfilling a defense order (FSB -au !!!!!!!).
  7. mag nit
    mag nit 22 September 2020 13: 00
    +6
    Generals from LLC "MO" have to pay a salary from somewhere.
  8. alma
    alma 22 September 2020 13: 25
    14
    Under the contract, the delivery of the first RTOs was supposed to take place in October 2018, but due to restrictions on the operation of enterprises during the 2018 FIFA World Cup, a disruption in the delivery of diesels for RTOs produced by Zvezda, as well as the participation of RTOs in the Main Naval Parade , the ship was handed over to the customer four months later than planned.

    The delay is clearly not Pella's fault. This MO should "Pelle" pay forfeit
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 22 September 2020 13: 44
      -2
      Quote: alma
      The delay is clearly not Pella's fault. This MO should "Pelle" pay forfeit

      Who knows what's the matter. Maybe Pella decided not to give a rollback or did not give it in full, now they are bending them down.
  9. fa2998
    fa2998 22 September 2020 16: 42
    0
    Quote: Livonetc
    Study in rubles.

    That is, one office financed by the state transfers funds from the budget to another office. request And that there are no other punishments? Drive out, or at least deprive "effective managers" of bonuses.
    And from the text, the lawsuit was 2,9 billion. One percent is 29 million. Someone has problems with math. hi hi
  10. ficus2003
    ficus2003 22 September 2020 17: 12
    0
    Quote: LIONnvrsk
    Quote: ficus2003
    And no one cares that 1% of 2,9 billion = 29 million and not 2,9 million?

    The MO wanted 10% of 2,9bn, i.e. 290 million, and the court gave 1% of 290 million, i.e. 2,9million hi

    The article says that the MO wants 2,9 billion and not 10% of them.
  11. Rzzz
    Rzzz 22 September 2020 23: 35
    +3
    But actually, it's a kapets, comrades. Not building a small "karakurt" in five years is already beyond the bounds.
    The Yankezses built the aircraft carrier Enterprise in 3,5 years. The world's first nuclear power plant, the largest in the world until now, although it has already been decommissioned. And after all, no black magic. All you need is not to steal money, and to appoint professionals to positions.
  12. Mityasha
    Mityasha 23 September 2020 09: 32
    0
    Quote: Livonetc
    Here's the chain.
    Further, there must be a claim against the engine specialists from Pella.
    This is how it works.

    And also a counter to the Ministry of Defense for involvement in the main naval parade and failure to meet the deadline. And then somehow the game with one goal turns out ...